Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1300

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
If you keep going you will see results. If you stop, you won't.

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I don't feel like reading, or doing my reps, or doing any progress

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>>133729042
I can't do this

>>133729368
That attitude will lead to failure if left unchecked.

>>133729042
>"i", as in "the"
wut

>>133729368
What are you doing then now?

>>133729428
Try just make an "ee" sound and then pull your tongue back while vocalizing. You'll figure it out eventually.

>>133729550
Today I

1- Played Hearts of Iron
2- Browsed imageboards
3- Did some of my reps
5- Watched the new moonman video
6- Played Red Orchestra
7- Posted on DJT

Now I was planning on playing Tales of Xillia, then do the reps remaining, then try to read something in japanese but I don't have anything to read

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>Cornucopia

>>133729691
Read Sword Art Online.

>>133729691
Read Tales of Xillia in Japanese.

>>133729792
I watched the anime when it was airing and it went full retard after the first mmo was done with

>>133729836
I don't have the jap game I have the yuropean disc

面従腹背

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Whoops!
>>133729428

>>133730155
what the fuck is this

>>133730155
Are you the same guy who makes diagrams of the thickness of keycaps?

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>>133729691
Too bad the only compelling content there is to read is only a few sentences long

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Hi there /djt/, I just wanted to confirm what the meaning of this is. I'm fairly certain what it is, but a second opinion would be appreciated. So, can you help an 弟 out?

>>133730263
Sauce?

>>133730155
Thanks, I appreciate it. It's very hard to do, I'll practice when I'm alone...

>>133730376
What do you think it is?

>>133730451
癒し系?

>>133730376
癒し系

Are you blind?

>>133730469
You would be correct. Is it that hard for you to make the characters out in the picture? The calligraphy relatively neat.

>>133730511
>>133730504
It's not hard, I just lack self-confidence and second-guess myself a lot.

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>>133730155
Is this some cool new technique?

>>133730544
Yes.

>>133730387
http://exhentai.org/s/dafdf60274/864188-91

It has a prequel on volume 9.

From the same volume I also recommend

http://exhentai.org/s/99123421ce/864188-311
http://exhentai.org/s/52272602de/864188-377

Special mention from volume 08 and 09
http://exhentai.org/s/7e178d910a/761876-279
http://exhentai.org/s/2d739745e2/810067-305

There are also many great others but I'm too lazy

Regards, expert

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>>133730544
What are you, a fucking eagle?

>>133730540
何でもかんでもお兄ちゃんに頼っちゃダメだぞ
すこし自信持ちなよ

>>133730612
サンキュー〜

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>>133730544
Goddammit, anon, I just fapped.

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Does a native English speaker sound as bad speaking Japanese as a Japanese person speaking English does?

>>133730778
English speakers always sound shitty when they try to speak some other language.

>>133730778
I doubt it. Japanese has a very limited set of sounds which are very consistently put together, so it'd be pretty hard to fuck it up too badly, no matter how shit your pronunciation was.

>>133730778
I don't know how accurate this is, but I once asked why japanese sounds so cute and someone said it's because japanese has more limited sounds and combinations of sounds so it sounds cute because it's like a baby that can't make all the sounds that we can

But on the other hand, we must sound to them like other languages sound to us that have a wider range of sounds, which usually don't sound cute at all. They just either sound completely silly and ridiculous or really rough.
So that's probably how we sound to japs

>>133730887
Prove it. (Or somebody else prove it in case you're not native.)

http://vocaroo.com/

I always wanted to hear what an English accented in Japanese really sounded like and not just a native Jap doing an impression of it.

>>133729691
>new moonman video
link?

>>133731005
Holy shit I just realized how many times I said the word sound in this post

>>133731005
Cuteness is subjective.
I think Chinese sounds cute even though it has tons of different sounds.

>>133731009
Just look at all those jvloggers, almost all of them sound like total cocks.

>>133730778
They need to change stress accent to pitch accent. It's hard.

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Holy shit.
Fish oil: it just works. This is even including the new cards I do before reviews, too. Never doubt fish oil.

>>133731034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dlAq8YH3t8

>>133731249
I get scores like that all the time and I haven't ever touched fish oil. That's pure placebo, mate.

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「無一物」
仏に逢えば仏を殺せ
祖に逢えば祖を殺せ
何物にも捕われず
縛られず
ただあるがままに己を生きる

>>133731313
I didn't until I embraced the magic. I'm up from 70% to 90%. You can't deny hard results.

>>133730612
Can someone tell me the name of whatever this is? I'm too stupid to get past the Panda.

>>133731368
Girls forM Vol. 10
It's just a plugin m8

>>133731354
Try pumping the oil straight into your ass next time so that it can be absorbed directly into the bloodstream and report the results.

>>133731409
>It's just a plugin m8
No you have to edit your cookies
But you're too dumb to learn how to do that so you installed Jewish tracking software.

>>133731455
I had a g.e account so I never had to do anything, I'm just aware of people having to use a plugin nowadays. Didn't look into it.

>>133731507
Even if you have an account you still have to edit cookies or it won't let you in the panda
It might have something to do with account age, I don't remember

>>133731409
Thanks. I don't even know why people like exhentai, since I can go to hitomi.la and get a direct download without having to rely on torrents.

I think I had an addon that let me get in before, but it stopped working. And I've done the cookie thing in the past but it took me like half an hour to do it and I clear my cookies all the time so it was just annoying.

>>133731552
hitomi rips off exhentai galleries

>>133731537
I've never had to edit cookies, so I don't know about that.
>>133731552
I think exhentai has the most content directly uploaded, while sites like hitomi.la actually just "steal" exhentai's stuff. I know I've personally put a lot of galleries on exhentai that other people download and put on all sorts of other sites. So, in short, if you want the most stuff and you want it the fastest, panda is the way to go.

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こんいちわ。私の日本語わ最高です。

>>133731823
>わ
1/10 bait

>>133731855
New here?

>>133731870
Sorry, but I didn't give you consent to dialogue with me, so your opinion has been discarded as a result

>>133731964
New.

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>mfw I just killed a fly with a gillette razor
I didn't think that was possible

>>133731981
This is a safe place. Your IP has been tracked and reported to a moderator.

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魚油のパワー！
My stats hadn't been working for awhile; the thing I'm most pleased about, is in the months I stopped looking at them, my "mature cards" done has gone up to like 40. The evidence of a mature and healthy anki deck.

>>133731999
You can't learn Japanese until you've killed a dolphin with one.

check'd

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Never took fish oil.

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>>133732476
>Learn: 3

>>133732476
>Never took fish oil.
Then you are doomed
>27% mature
>4% young
uhhh

>>133732063
>289 cards in 11 minutes
先生の秘訣は教えてください！

>>133732580
It's a deck that I used to do, then layed off for about half a year until I got started again two months ago or so.

I haven't been doing my reps very consistently, but my retention has gone up by almost 15% as compared to before I took that long break.

can any one recommend a fun VN to read, i'm about 1200 words into core.

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>>133731368
>>133731409
>>133731455
>>133731537
Why am I able to get into ex on my phone (which doesn't have any of your fangspangled plugins) normally in private browsing, which clears cookies after every session? Is it because of the account age thing?

>>133732680
I had some pleb who doesn't understand the internet make a g.e acct and after merely a week and a half they could access ex without any trouble.

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>>133732715
I honestly have no fucking idea how people are unable to get past the panda. Sometimes I think it would be nice to up the difficulty because muh sekrit club but even as it is now, people have to resort to using plugins or doing weird shit to their cookies

>>133732879
He just had to delete the panda cookie so that ex would pick up the g.e one.

>>133732879
>doing weird shit to their cookies
Is that not the only way?

>>133732879
This. The only time I've had to mess with my cookies is when I've tried to visit exhentai before logging into e-hentai. If you do that, exhentai sets a cookie in your browser which I guess marks you as not being logged in, so you have to delete it or you'll keep getting stuck at the sad panda even after you've logged into your e-hentai account.

I've never had to edit a cookie or anything like that though. I just log into e-hentai and that's it.

>>133733026
I've tried exactly that on multiple different browsers and it has never worked.

>>133732558
CCさくらかな
古いアニメだけど、やたらとボーダーレスな恋愛物だよね

>>133733246
It makes me feel things I haven't felt since I was a kid.

>>133733246
うん、そのせいで僕がまだ若い坊主だった時いろんなことわからなくなったな
何が美しい恋愛か、何が不潔か、なにが犯罪か、さっぱりでした

>>133729268
Yo how do I slow things down

it's second week, I've studied about 300 words so far in anki. Now it's starting to get overwhelmingly difficult for me to progress cause I'm starting to forget old kanji as I'm spammed with over 100 words a day, 20 of which are new

I can't learn vocab this fast. I just can't. I want to review for a week and then proceed learning more.

>>133733778
It appears you know the answer to your own question

>>133733778
Here's a tip that's not just for learning Japanese, but for life. When using software, learn to tweak its settings to optimize to your use.

>>133733778
Is 20 too much for you?

>>133733778
install gentoo

>>133733778
Post your correct % for today. You might not be doing as badly as you think you are, but it's hard to say without seeing your stats.

Also, if you're having trouble with kanji, I would recommend writing them out as you encounter them. There's no need to be stupid about it and write them out 50 times each. Just a few times will do. Go to Jisho.org, look up the kanji in question, read the meaning of it and look at some words which use it (all this information should be on the kanji's page), then write the character out a few times (with proper stroke order) until you get the gist of it, then move on to the next one.

>>133733778
bruteforce it

i could never remember 思う then it clicked after spamming again enough times

that's how it happens for every leech

>>133734086

>思
>think

why exactly does rice on top of a heart mean "think". Do japs really think about rice this much?

>>133732063
You're adding at maximum 15 words. It's not hard to get a high percentage like that. I had 90% when I was adding 50-100 words a day.

>>133734323
>only 90%
I had 99% when I was adding 150 words per day

>>133734371
>let me exaggerate to make his post look like an exaggeration as well

このスレッドの目的は日本語の理解ですか？

What is purpose in this thread?
Understanding or learning Japanese?

>>133734463
理解のことかも

>>133734323
Gonna have to ask for evidence. That's a very bold claim to make.

Post your stats from that time.

>>133734540
How can I do that? It was years ago.

>>133734556
Surely you saved your stats at some point? I save mine regularly so I can look back on them and see how I'm progressing.

天の川

I'm impressed Japanese people by your sometimes logical Kanji.

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>>133734207
>会意文字です。「子児の脳」の象形と「心臓」の象形から頭脳と
>心で「おもう」を意味する「思」という漢字が成り立ちました。
だそうです
だから、もともとは「田＋心」じゃなくて、「 囟＋心」のはずでした

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>>133734581
No I've never saved my stats. I have this though.

>>133734590
It's always nice when compounds make sense. Shame they usually don't. I wonder if it's any better in Chinese.

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>>133734620
>Young
>95.04%
Must be nice being a genius.

>>133734510
理解の方ですか。ありがとうございます。僕は英語を勉強中の日本人ですが、漢字の話は僕より詳しそうな人がいますね。

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Also can anyone beat my consistency?

>>133734620
>>133734776
What steps do you use, out of interest? Just the default 1 10?

>>133734776
For some reason my stats are fucked up and it says I missed 5 days when I've only missed 1 (and it was due to changing the reset time and having a double rep day).

>>133734851
Yeah everything is default.

>>133734776
That's a bit sad, you know.

>>133734964
>anyone who does more than me is a sad loser with no life

>>133734021
Studied 209 cards in 71 minutes today.
Again count: 90 (56.9% correct)
Learn: 46, Review: 92, Relearn: 71, Filtered: 0
No mature cards were studied today.

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it's finally fucking over

>>133734999
It's like when an autistic kid builds a big-ass sand castle. It's sort of impressive in a way, but also sad.

>>133734775
>>133734611←これのことですか
これはただ暇つぶしというか、好奇心のせいで調べてみただけで、あまり深読みしなくていい
ここの人は大体日本語を読めるようになることと、日本語を聞き取れるようになることが最終的な目的です
それでも、喋れるようになりたいと思う人もいると思います。
どっちにしても、日本人さんは大歓迎しますでしょう。

>>133735084
>someone actually stuck with this shit to become fluent? haha what an autist, im planning on giving in a month like the rest of the normies

>tfw deck had days studied before I even started using it
I cant even stroke my ego about it now

>>133735157
>anki
>fluency
Pick only one.

Word of the day: 孫の手

なんか、キモいです

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>>133735237
Here we go

>>133735273
孫の手も借りたいほど忙しい

正しく使えたかな
ルルかしっこーい

>>133735045
>60% correct
Check your forecast, you'll have almost as many tomorrow.
I take it you dropped anki and you're starting it back up? You should get the load balancer add-on, make your life easier.

>>133735237
Actually I pick both.

>>133735362
失せろ、レズグマ、おとうとごろし！

>>133735273
孫の手 is not a real hand but a very useful item.

>夥しい
rare kanji for you rare kanji colliers

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>>133735467
わかってるよ、それぐらい

>>133735362
それを言うなら、猫の手 ですよ

>>133735530
>rare
>implying

>>133735558
I hope this response becomes a recurring meme. Will add spice

>>133735580
Yeah man, that would be totally spice.

>>133735020
>(56.9% correct)
Okay, that really is bad. Are you perhaps being too liberal with the good and easy buttons and not using the hard button enough?

I don't really know what to advise beyond telling you to write the characters out. You could try doing a radical deck, I guess. I never did, but I've seen others recommend it before, so it might be worth looking into if kanji are really giving you that much trouble.

I think it will get better for you over time as you see more and more of them. The same few elements (radicals) will keep repeating across lots of different kanji, so after a whole most new kanji will just be different combinations of elements that you're already familiar with. It's just a matter of toughing it out until you reach that point.

>>133735727
It'd be spicy for me.

>>133735045
>Learn: 292
Wait a sec, just how many new cards were you trying to learn here? You're doing something stupid like 75 new cards a day, aren't you?

Judging from your comment, doing Anki in the way you're doing it now is extremely unpleasant for you (then, 2+ hours with a 60% correct rate would be unpleasant for anyone). You might've toughed it out today, but with a correct % like that it's going to be just as bad or even worse tomorrow. Turn down your new cards before you burn out and quit. I'd even say turn off your new cards completely for a few days and let your daily reviews drop a bit.

>>133735580
>spice
>implying

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How do I into mining? Read until I reach X new words? Read for X minutes/hours? If so, what is X (50 words? 1 hour?)?

>>133736219
Add every new word you see.

>>133736219
It really doesn't matter as long as you are reading a lot and aren't doing so little that you aren't learning the new kanji that you come across.

>>133736219
Just read as much as you can and add every new word to your mining deck.

>>133736219
Sit down, read until you think you've read a decent amount (or keep reading after that if you're enjoying yourself, which you should be). In the meantime mine words you think would be nice to reinforce the memory off. You shouldn't be worried about more details than this. The important thing is that you keep reading as much as possible.

>>133736234
>>133736304
>every word
>wasting tons of time on anki when you could easily just read

>>133736234
>>133736276
>>133736304
>>133736335
I plan on making a textfile of words and then using Rikaisama to import them to Anki, but without a clearly defined goal for how much I should be reading, it will be easy for me to be lazy and tell myself I've done enough when perhaps I haven't.

For instance, with Anki everyone says to aim for 20 words a day, so I kept that as my target and stuck to it, but I don't know what the target is in words or time when it comes to reading.

>>133736349
This. In early stages you don't need to mine more than 10% of what you see to maintain an active deck. Even in later stages you don't need to mine more than a third of the new words you see. The only time when it's good to mine much more than that is when you're starting on something new which might have a more specific vocabulary. You might want to learn a lot of those new words fast.

>>133736428
You should be reading because you want to, not to hit a set goal.

>>133736428
Plenty, when you start out, it isn't uncommon to add around 200+ words per day.

>>133736428
>it will be easy for me to be lazy and tell myself I've done enough when perhaps I haven't.
That's more a matter of your own self-discipline than a matter of Japanese learning. The consensus is that you should read as much as possible, so if you must set a fixed goal set it as high as you think you're capable of fulfilling.

>>133736219
俺のやり方はのんびりとVNを読んで、知らない単語がコピペでアンキに加える
あとで復習する

>>133736428
Read as much as you want to, it doesn't matter if you add a ton of words as anki backlog, you'll get to those eventually. The more the better.

Do I need to give up being bilingual to learn Japanese?

Hello, I'm a 22 year old male who is seriously studying Japanese in the US. I get a lot of passive immersion and text Japanese people on LINE. But I feel like to learn this language I have to give up both my native languages and I'm willing to do that. However It's not easy and I have to constantly use Spanish and English. I was wondering if being trilingual was possible at this age (22) I know it's kind of ridiculous but I just feel so old and late so if I have to give up Spanish and English to learn Japanese what should I do... or is it possible to still be strong in all 3 languages before I die? I know Japanese will always be a life long process... but I want to use Japanese only!! I like reading in Spanish too and was wondering if I also have to give that up. I donot use English much now except for work. Please someone help and let me know.
Like If I were to go to Japan I would have to stop speaking Spanish and English. But like my main question is if it's still possible to have good knowledge in all 3 languages or do I have to give up my native languages for Japanese? Like I said I would do it because immersion in Japanese is important to me and I really love Japan. I have been told that in order to really well learn the language Japanese needs to always be used, no exceptions. If I can't express in Japanese then I stay quiet until I learn how to say it in Japanese. I like the method but would like more input please.

>>133736465
>>133736472
>>133736490
>>133736499
>>133736545
Alright, I guess I'll read as much as I can instead of setting any sort of specific target.

Thanks for the responses.

>>133737178
Are you posting this to make fun of that guy, or are you seriously just retarded?

>>133737178
Are you stupid?

>>133737178
At least take out the title to try to disguise it

>>133737178
Stop reposting shit from reddit.

>>133737245
No, it's funny.

>>133737579
>tfw I can read 林檎 because it's been posted so many times
And you people say shitposting on /djt/ is a waste of time

>>133737579
What's your beef with this one word? VNs use stupid kanji all the time, get over it. Especially if it's consistent throughout a VN, I don't see the problem.

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>>133737726
The main benefit of DJT to me, at the current moment, is simply all the people gathering to post hard grammar in their questions, like that はだ guy, though it never did get answered as far as I know.
>>133732597
1 - I decided that if I didn't recognize a word within 3 seconds, I didn't know it well enough, so my average speed per card is about 3s. I don't really recommend this too much because I end up struggling to memorize certain tricky words due to not thinking about it enough
2 - 99% of my cards have kanji I'm pretty familiar with so reading them is like reading kana.
3 - F I S H O I L

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>>133737778

>>133737918
Seriously you've been obsessing over it for weeks now give it a rest.

>>133738115
If I can tear my focus away from it for even a brief moment, I will attempt to rest, though I do not doubt that my mania will be inevitably reignited. Pray for me, anon. Pray.

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>people relying on machine translations

>text parsers
>don't recognize common shortcuts like なきゃ
>frequently make mistakes in cases where there's kana next to a particle
>if a combination of kanji has multiple possible meanings, it can't pick out the correct one (a really stupid common one is seeing 人 by itself and thinking that it's じん)
>if words are slurred, it's useless
>any one of these has great potential to completely change the meaning of the sentence to something that doesn't even resemble the original message, especially the very common particle mistake; it's the world's worst game of Chinese Whispers
>all of this before the translation part even comes into play, which can be amusingly nonsensical in its own right , even when the parser does its job correctly

>there are actually people who think that they can take a machine translation, where information is outright missing or jumbled to the point where you can't possible have any idea, and turn it into a workable "translation"

>>133738614
Shouldn't you be posting this on some VN thread where people are actually using machine translations?

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>>133738614
What's your point, man? These people see two options before themselves: MT, or nothing. So, they choose MT, despite it sucking. No one is delusional enough to think it's good. They just know it's better than nothing. You're just preaching to the choir.

>>133738614
You know, I think we could make a decent machine translator it's just that nobody really gives enough of a fuck to fix the issues with current ones.
You either speak or are learning Japanese and don't give a shit about machine translators, or you don't speak it and you think shit like Google translate's good enough.

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>>133738762
>it's just that nobody really gives enough of a fuck to fix the issues with current ones.
Are you fucking kidding me? Do you not think there are legions of computer scientists working tirelessly on machine translation and AI in general? Whoever cracks this code will be fucking rich and fucking LEGENDARY. The problem isn't that people don't give a fuck. It's that machine translation is really, really hard.

>倭小化する

What the fuck is >倭小化 supposed to mean?

>>133738834
http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E7%9F%AE%E5%B0%8F%E5%8C%96
こぢんまりとすること。小さくすること
scrub

>>133738816
>Do you not think there are legions of computer scientists working tirelessly on machine translation
Nope, they're not. Sorry bud
- Computer scientist

>>133738715

Probably.


>>133738742

It becomes so far removed from the original message that it basically is nothing. There's a reason why it's the source of so many laughs. Honestly, you'd probably get a better feel for the story just from listening to the tones in people's voices and catching the bits and pieces of Japanese that you picked up from anime with subtitles.


>>133738762

>Japanese
>no spaces
>what a combination of characters mean often changes, depending on context
>grammar relies a lot on context

Japanese is a machine translator's worst nightmare. You'd probably need a full blown AI with full abstract thinking capabilities on par with a human's in order to handle it.

>>133738936
Yes, they are. And no need to apologize, I know Japanese.
- Computer Scientist

>>133738985
He said "legions", not "five or so people".

>>133738971
>that it basically is nothing
Not really. It serves as a nice shotgun to vocabulary. Editor sees "into penis butt", changes that to "he thrusts his dick into her ass", and poof. It's not good but it's certainly better than nothing. Please don't interpret this as me saying it's "good" or "optimal", it's just better than nothing.

>>133739007
I imagine in a world of 7,000,000 people there are more than 5 working on machine translation, or in other words, machine comprehension and production of language.

>>133739124
I'm really sure that google has their top departments working day and night to figure out how to represent written japanese and english in a way that a neural network could map the two together -- toiling tirelessly over breaking keyboards, coffee-stained pants, and oily, sweaty, unshaved beards. Absolutely positive.

>>133739202
I'm sure while typing that you realized how off-base and ridiculous you're getting, so I consider that a good ending note.

>>133739245
That's literally the only way that machine TL could ever be revolutionized. Otherwise there are always going to be serious fundamental problems with it. Tokenization is the single hardest problem in natural language computer science. It's not people working on machine TL, because the problem also applies in domains other than actual natural language processing.

I'm sure that you understand the problems associated with making a heuristic that is correct. Doing that itself is an NP problem. If you approximate a heuristic you're only doing what has already been done.

>>133739330
tl;dr: linguistics is fucking hard and we're barely scratching the surface

It's sophistry to act like the theory is anywhere close enough to allowing for reasonable machine TL

I dont get the point of the passive form, neither do I get how to use it. Ill keep rereading trying to get it, but any of you anons want to tell me your understanding of it? I get the causative form, but there doesn't seem to be much written about the passive form.

All Ive just heard is:
>You use it when something has been done by another thing
>Japanese use all the time, at least a lot more then we use the English counterpart.

>>133739330
>>133739403
It's sophistry to imply that 5 people in the entire world are working on these problems. And no, it's not up to Google's top departments. That's also sophistry.

>>133739432
>It's sophistry to imply that 5 people in the entire world are working on these problems
That wasn't the statement. The statement was "leagues" "tirelessly" "on machine translation".

>>133739457
Yes, there are leagues of people working on the problems inherent in machine translation. I see you went into autistic nerd rage over the word "tirelessly" (I see now why you made the inane reference to people working with coffee-stained pants. Really, anon?) so I politely removed that for you.

You blew a statement (apparently THE statement) out of proportion, angrily ranted about it, and in the end you said nothing of value. May this serve as a lesson not to care so much about trivial things, and as a lesson not to try and act smart without due basis.

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>>133739432
>And no, it's not up to Google's top departments

>>133739526
I know that you're upset that your hype is senseless but you really can't have your cake and eat it too. If you're willing to make absurdist statements you need to accept absurdist responses. It's you who would be acting autismal if you can't do that.

>>133739426
私は林檎を食べた
林檎は「誰かに」食べられた

I ate the apple
The apple was eaten (by someone)

The second sentence is passive

>>133739571
I'm not hype. Did you think I was waiting for machine translation on the seat of my pants? Well, that's just another projection of yours. I was simply correcting the anon that said "no one gives a fuck" - yes, people do give fucks. But the problem at hand is so difficult that they are not making significant progress any time soon. Wow, do you agree with that statement? Maybe it's because from the very beginning we both knew what was up, but you misinterpreted small bits and flew into a meaningless rage about it. How shameful, anon.

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>>133739634

>>133739657
You can stop painting my posts with the way that you yourself are acting.
>>133738936
>>133738985
>>133739007
>>133739124

Look who went off their rails. Good job, friend.

>>133739699
What do you do when autism talks?

>>133739740
shitpost

>>133739714
I kind of smirked. Well, if that's what you've gotten down to, I guess you're the kind of person who can't recognize personal flaws and mistakes with any grace. Live well, anon.

>>133739798
I'm well aware that I'm acting like a twat but you're really being worse because I gave you several opportunities to stop responding without any ego damage or bad honor at the beginning of the conversation and instead you went off your rocker and insist on having the last response. Not happening. Let this be a lesson.

>>133739699
林檎林檎林檎林檎林檎林檎林檎林檎林檎

林檎

>>133739634
Thanks, kind of helpful. But can you explain the passive form in this sentence? Why isn't rice the subject?

この　国では　昔から、米が　作られた　います。

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>>133739869

>>133739919
>I can read everything but the kanji
Kill me

>>133739901
>作られた
作られて

>>133739965
I mean... there's a lot of kanji, finnie.

>>133739965

Get through Core.

>>133739982
gomen. But can you still answer my question please.

explain the passive form in this sentence? Why isn't rice the subject?

この　国では　昔から、米が　作られて　います。

>>133740068
Rice is the subject. It's followed by が after all.

お腹空いた～　西洋林檎でも食うか

>>133740068
>>133740114
>See questions like this
>Feel like I understood what it says easily
>Asks for more of explanations and I start doubting if I actually read it right

>>133740114
I see, things make a lot more sense now.

>>133740068
>Why isn't rice the subject?
It is the subject, but it's not the actor. The actor does the verb, and the subject is acted by the actor. That's how passives work. English passives are written the same way.

>>133740294
Yeo, I see, So is it true that Japanese use the passive form a lot, like way more than english? I haven't been exposed to it much in the raw material Ive read, and I never could see the purpose.

>>133740507
English uses the fucking brainfuck out of the passive form.

>>133738936
>>133738985
>computer
>scientist
Pick one.

>>133740537
I don't really think the passive form is used much in English. When thoughts are formed, we more direct thoughts tend to be prevalent. Of course, passive form is used frequently, but perhaps "fucking branifuck" would be considered a bit too much for the average person.

>>133740588
It's not "computer, scientist", it's "computer scien[ce]" [t]ist.

English has the occasional clitical formation.

>>133740622
This post was made as a great piece of art.

Tell me if you're serious so I can give a good response if you are.

>>133740633
>English has the occasional clitical formation.
are you who i think you are? pls go

>>133740667
I'm not imabi bruh

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>>133740664
Fully intentional.

>>133740633
>computer "science"

>>133740709
Wonderfully written.

>>133740703
The fact you made that connection means you fit the bill. O U T

Does anyone have a good site where one can read good source material?

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>ボクっ娘

>>133740733
Do you even study of complexity bruh?

I fully admit that the field has pretty much nothing to say that doesn't have to do with the study of complexity.

>>133740750
No, I just lurk here a lot.

>>133740781
>No, I just lurk here a lot.
I know it.

>>133740733
You fucked up man, you meant to say
"computer" "science"

>http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=10436898
>you will never experience this

feels bad man

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>>133740774
Pic very related. My first exposure to ボクっ娘, was very surreal

>>133740841
you mean to say "'computer' 'science'"

>core6k deck shows a bunch of words with 命 but not 命 itself
why

>>133740858
Get your weird fetishes out of here

>>133716511
DEAD WRONG
Thought no one would notice? You were RIGHT... until NOW. I just saw the comic by chance, and it provided ESSENTIAL context.
She's not referring to hard dicks, as you erroneously thought. She is referring to A ROCK-HARD, SOLID TURD that she is about to EJECT from her anal cavity.
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=10436898
Get rekt son, step back, dont post nothin' if you dont know nothin' YO

>>133740964
I was planning on posting it in every new thread but I already failed with the blue eyes thing so I don't know.
Maybe I'm not autistic enough

>>133740994
art

逼迫
rare kanji for you kanji sleuths

百
rare kanji for you kanji collectors

>>133740588

Computer science is a formal science, like math. It doesn't actually involve delving into the nature of the universe, but it does deal in logic, and acts as an important support to the rest of the STEM community. Do you think that the LHC wasn't, to a notable extent, the brain child of all of those people sitting around thinking about logarithms for decades on end? The LHC wouldn't have been possible a hundred years ago. We largely have computer scientists to thank for figuring out how to capture, process, and convey information in such a quick, clean manner.

海人
Rare semen for you semen collectors

>>133741172
Computer science is a soft science, like economics, not a hard science like math.

>>133741384
Computer science is literally pure theoretical math though

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>>133741218
Let me just compress the semen in this slit here.

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Finally!
Always satisfying to finish a VN after a month.
Game seems to be far from over though

>>133741404
And economics is literally pure theoretical physics, if you zoom out far enough.

I keep seeing this　つ－か word being thrown around a lot in manga, specially by young people / delinquents / thugs.

What does it mean?

>>133741458
Nice strawman but you're literally 100% wrong about computer science.

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>>>/g/

Are there any VNs that actually teach Japanese?

As in, mostly or partially in English, and/or explaining Japanese words/phrases as it goes?

>tfw software dev
>tfw so many ideas for japanese learning related software I wish existed
>tfw too lazy to actually make any of it myself and collect shekels

>>133741512
Three things.
One, there is one of those being made, but it's awful.
Two, those things are available as graded readers, no need to shoehorn a clunky VN system into it.
Three, the current tools for learning Japanese are pretty much perfect, I can think of nothing else that would make learning Japanese an easier experience, so don't worry about making software.

>>133741495
incoming wikipedia dump

>Precise definitions vary,[4] but features often cited as characteristic of hard science include producing testable predictions, performing controlled experiments, relying on quantifiable data and mathematical models, a high degree of accuracy and objectivity, and generally applying a purer form of the scientific method.[2][5][6][7][8] A closely related idea (originating in the nineteenth century with Auguste Comte) is that scientific disciplines can be arranged into a hierarchy of hard to soft on the basis of factors such as rigor, "development", and whether they are "theoretical" or "applied", with physics, and chemistry typically being the hardest, biology in an intermediate position, and the social sciences being the softest.[4][9]

>Some philosophers and sociologists of science have questioned the relationship between these characteristics and perceived hardness or softness. The more "developed" hard sciences do not necessarily have a greater degree of consensus or selectivity in accepting new results.[10] Commonly cited methodological differences are also not a reliable indicator. Psychologists use controlled experiments and economists use mathematical modelling, but as social sciences both are usually considered soft sciences,[1][2] while natural sciences such as biology do not always aim to generate testable predictions.[6] There are some measurable differences between hard and soft sciences. For example, hard sciences make more extensive use of graphs,[4][11] and soft sciences are more prone to a rapid turnover of buzzwords.[12]

>>133741587
I'm not reading all that. I said "pure theoretical math", which computer science is. Computer science is not observational. It's basically between math and physics on >>133741506 .

Or you can look at it as a discipline of discrete mathmatics.

>>133741493

nevermind

apparently つか/つーか/てか is slang or short for ていうか

thanks djt

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>>133741673
>>133741493

>>133741650
>I'm not reading all that.
It's like two paragraphs, man. Don't be lazy.

>>133741650
>Computer Science is unrelated to its application
lel k

>>133741714
I said pure theoretical math, not "hard science". I don't care however that term is defined.

>>133741724
Computer science describes the limitations of computation more accurately than counting describes the number of fingers you have.

>>133741735
Two paragraphs. Your argument is invalid.

>>133741771
Two paragraphs of material that might not be related.

>>133740994
>by chance,
>implying

>>133741793
Doesn't matter. Literally everything you can try to say in your defense is irrelevant. It's two paragraphs.

>>133741650
No. As someone who studies both computer science and maths, this is just wrong. Computer science involves maths, such as logic, graph theory, algorithmic complexity etc, but it also encompasses many other fields of research that are not maths-related. For example, the study of GUIs. To say computer science is purely maths is to discard those other fields as not being part of computer science, which is incorrect.

>>133741816
>it's pure theoretical math
>BUT DEFINITION ON HARD SCIENCE
>I'm not reading that
>Your argument is invalid because you won't read this thing that's not necessarily relevant

Twenty words or less.

>>133741384

It's not like economics at all. Economics is ultimately a study of human behavior as it applies to the flow of money. It's 50% social science, 50% business. Computer scientists tackle problems such as clean data transmission and efficient processing. It's all math and logic.

Economists didn't solve the problem of how to make anti-aliasing more than just a pipe dream or design face recognition technology, for example. That's about as far outside of their field of expertise as you're going to get.

>>133741770
Two non-comparatives.
Go on, fuck up. Do it.

>>133741820
>For example, the study of GUIs
Stopped reading there, UX is not computer science and you didn't even use the correct term.

Looks like the arguing autists are still around

>>133741851
I'm neither person. I'm just pointing out, if you refuse to read something that's only 2 paragraphs, then you lose, simple as that.

>>133741939
So you're saying that I lose because I call out an argument via verbosity as irrelevant. Good job, you're an idiot.

One upon a time someone was trying to get help with linux on the debian forum, but their problem was so trivial that advanced users capable of helping them continually overlooked their requests for help. This person tried to get help for days until a spark went off in their mind. "These people aren't giving me any help, but they sure like arguing." Instantly, he connected the dots, and his hands began to move on their own: "Why would you use such a retarded operating system? Linux can't even dynamically load USB audio devices!"

In an instant, the future of internet communities was ruined forever.

DO NOT BUTT INTO OTHER PEOPLES' ARGUMENTS. DO NOT RESPOND TO INCORRECT ANSWERS. ALWAYS RESPOND TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION TO CLEAR UP MISCONCEPTIONS.

Don't respond to shitposts. If you get into an argument with a troll, someone has to step in to correct you. People frequently troll to make this happen and get help from that person who steps in to correct the argument. Correcting arguments has to be done because otherwise lurkers only see incorrect information, so please, please don't argue with people who give the wrong answer to a question. Just give the right answer to the original question.

>>133741937
I feel like one or two of them came back. The threads are suddenly 8-12 hours faster. It only really takes one argumentative autist and one gullible retard to ruin the entire thread.

this isn;t even /djt/ anymore, I wouldn't even say this is /b/ or /rk9/, this is just argument thread, and if this was a board, it would be /ar/ for arguments. You guys can argue over everything. You guys are unironically that /b/ meme, where you retards can argue over everything.

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>>133729268
How are you guys studying for the JLPT that's coming up? I'm taking N3 and I have a lot of practice tests from this guy named Arjun Sridhar which are good practice material but there are no answers. I think since time is limited I'm

1. Going to study grammar because that's the easiest part to learn quickly over a short amount of times.
2. Do practice tests to get used to the test.
3. REPS REPS REPS

Any /a/nons have advice or more material for the test? Does anyone know where I can find practice tests with answers?

>>133742208
Jokes on you I'm screenshotting these posts as we speak and will posts it a month later.

>>133742226
>How are you guys studying for the JLPT that's coming up?
Being fluent helps

>>133742208
It has its moments. It was better a week ago. Maybe we should just re-direct off-topic / dumb arguments to >>>/trash/ . We could even make a "Daily Autistic Argument" thread there and redirect to that.

>>133742208
Arguments aren't necessarily bad though. All other generals are just circlejerking, a bunch of people repeatedly agreeing with each other. In contrast to them /djt/ is superior.

>>133742226
>Any /a/nons have advice or more material for the test?
Try the Nihongo Sou Matome series. Going through that series seriously helped me for the N3 test, especially the listening part.

I just heard ふむ in a VN and it sounded EXACTLY like "hmmm". I feel ふしぎ
>>133742309
Finnie pls

>>133742226
hmm, im not doing any practice tests. My study schedule is, 1st half of the day, doing practice grammar only sections. And i dont get why you would say this is the easiests, they're really anal about grammar, but, just your opinion. And then I spend the rest of the day trying to read raw material as much as possible. BUt All I read are some jlpt practice books I ordered from ebay. ANd I do listening practice for about 30 mins a day. Im probably gonna have a heartache 3 days before the test, and cram the fuck out of everything.

Also, why the fuck are you taking the jlpt dekinai-chan?

>>133742374
>>133742226
>taking tests lower than N2
We really have been taken over by reddit

>>133742382
Congrats, you just discovered orthography conventions for non-language sounds.

>>133742395
At N3 you can read any moege you want, less than half the thread is at that point yet.

>>133742421
>At N3 you can read any moege you want
Not without looking up a lot of words
N3 is like where you are after your first couple VNs

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>>133742421
>At N3 you can read any moege you want
What the fuck? Even moege easily cover N1 grammar. Moege are just novels, anon, and novels can have whatever grammar the author wants. Which tends to be what they're familiar with. Which is what is in N1.

>>133742382
むむむ

>>133742459
>Not without looking up a lot of words
I think that's implied. You won't stop looking up words even at N1.

>a quarter of the thread hasn't even finished an introductory grammar guide or started reading
I wonder how big of a portion of these people are argumentative autists. Almost every argument that occurs on /djt/ requires no knowledge of Japanese at all to partake in.

Lets just agree the JLPTies are more about how well you can do a jlpt test, than knowing japanese.

>>133742551
I argue and I read. I don't do anki or kanji and I learned literally all my grammar from arguments here about grammar. I have never studied a day in my life. I've only watched english-subbed anime and spent time in this thread. I'm currently on my second chuunige.

>>133742421
Who gives a fuck? That doesn't justify paying money for a useless piece of paper.

>>133742588
I think they just measure more accurately the less you prepare for them.

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*tips fedora*

>>133742479
>Moege are just novels
Really easy novels. You can find some N1 grammar here and there in moege but it's rare, you can't really compare them to a N1 reading level which bombards you with complex structures in the grammar and reading sections. Note that I'm talking about moeges, not all types of VNs.

>>133742673
I swear if I see mister paddy middle one more time I'm going to lose it.

>>133742673
Please go to /vn/ to blog about your boring reading adventures

>>133742721
>stop using thread space to post Japanese content, I need that space for off-topic shitposting

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>(Conan) ねえ、その線香まだ火が付いてたんでしょ、どのぐらい残ってたの？
>(Woman)そう・・・半分ぐらいかな
>(Conan)んじゃお線香が立てられたのは帰ってくる15分くらい前だね、お線香って30分は持つから

Fansubs are great

>>133742698
>You can find some N1 grammar here and there in moege but it's rare
http://www.tanos.co.uk/jlpt/jlpt1/grammar/
I expect you to rescind your statement shortly.

>>133742673
>じゃあない
Typo?

>>133742773
>I know a lot of this but I only know like 100 words
Fuck

>>133742769
Screenshoting this for future reference
Tend to think anime subs are all good for some reason.

>>133742761
This thread is about learning Japanese, not just things in Japanese. Also your meme spamming isn't entertaining at all.

>>133742815
Well, this thread also isn't about meta posting and whining, but here you are. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

>>133742773
You're proving his point. Most of those grammar points rarely appear on VNs.

>>133742815
Just like America is about freedom, right?

>>133742844
Focus on your own shitposting please.

>>133742856
in moege*

>>133742783
Nah he clearly enunciated the extra あ.
>>133742856
Confirmed for not reading

>>133742815
I'm not him, I just thought it was dumb that someone finds occasional VN screenshots more irritating than constant autistic arguments about stuff that has literally nothing to do with Japanese.

If you find it that irritating, it shouldn't be that hard to add "イノセントバレット-the_false_world" to your filename filter. He's been reading it for a while.

>>133742856
Yes, many extremely rare constructions such as とはいえ and べく Kappa

>>133742893
>I just thought it was dumb that someone finds occasional VN screenshots more irritating than constant autistic arguments about stuff that has literally nothing to do with Japanese.
I expect he participated in those arguments

>>133742958
Making dumb assumptions doesn't make you look smart, anon.

>>133742888
Right.

>>133742892
Plotges != Moeges. You've been reading イノセントバレット for a month now, right? You can't seriously believe you've read a lot, don't get cocky.

>>133742985
Right back at you

>>133742810
The rest of the episode is full of wrong and/or made up bullshit translations

>>133742619
Ah, so its like this then.

The /djt/ers who learned their japanese through anime and manga, usually take the n2 or n1, to see how well their neetdom has got them. Idk how much pass or fail though.

The other /djt/ers like me, are doing the djt only for degree or certificate shit. People will say you should only take the n1 or n2 then, but people have their own unique reasons for taking lower levels. They dont give a fuck about measuring or seeing how far they they've progress, they just want to pass the stupid test, so they buy the prep books.

>>133741587

>producing testable predictions, performing controlled experiments, relying on quantifiable data and mathematical models, a high degree of accuracy and objectivity, and generally applying a purer form of the scientific method

Sounds like computer science to me. And not only that, but thanks to computer science, science is significantly more controlled and accurate than it ever could be at any point in the past.

I don't know what you think computer science is or how you came to the conclusion that it's comparable to economics, but you clearly aren't very well informed. If you're sending data packets out, but some of the information is getting corrupted and is unrecoverable, and you want to solve this problem, does this seem like something that can be solved with soft science? What about the problem of removing distortion from audio?

I suppose that you could argue that there non-hard science elements to certain jobs that are related to computer science (for example, predicting criminal behavior and potential exploits if you deal in security, or considering what might be convenient to a user if you're designing a search algorithm), but even those jobs build on a very strong foundation in math and logic, and the foundations that tie every computer science-related job together are very hard.

>>133743005
I didn't even read any earlier arguments, so the projection is strong here.

うたわれ２期どうして面白くならなかったの

>>133743045
Because it's an anime based off a VN.

>>133742918
>most of those grammar points
>most

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>>133743001
I've read around 10 vns during that month, I'm only taking so long with Innocent Bullet because it's dead boring. Case in point: I'm tabbing out to post this. When I get hooked on a moege I finish it in a day or two.

And I'm not cocky. That list is filled with basic stuff you see all the time in moege. It's stuff I'm familiar with, and I've only practically read moege. I guess disagreeing with you makes me cocky? Whatever dude.

>>133743091
At least half of them are things you're likely to see in any given moege at least a few times. Not the type of thing you'd see every other sentence for the most part, but still stuff you would know well if you actually read VNs.

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>>133742769
Try Youkai Watch where the idiot who subbed the first 27 episodes can't even translate します or simple onscreen text.

>>133735113
>ここの人は大体日本語を読めるようになることと、
可能だ。

>日本語を聞き取れるようになること
不可能だ！

>>133743113
>10 VNs in a month
How
I don't think I've ever managed to finish a VN in less than a week, and I'm proficient.

>>133742769
Translation check:

Conan: Hey, that incense was still burning, right? How much was left?
Woman: Ya, about half
Conan: Then the incense was set up about 15 minutes before you returned, because the incense lasts 30 minutes

This took me about 10 minutes. I'm assuming 持つ means "to last" here because it makes sense, but I'm not sure I've seen it used like that before.

>>133743010
>Idk how much pass or fail though
From the stories I've read here, those that pass have been been studying for about 4 or 5 years. There might be others that pass the test in less time but their score isn't that much more than the passing mark.

>>133743201
I read all of FSN english in 5 days so it can't be that hard with smaller games

>>133743219
>Ya
Better to translate as "Hmm". Despite being そう it is, I assume, said to delay while thinking about the answer

>>133743201
I'm a NEET, so some of those were 12 hour a day sessions. I tend to only read 1 route, and about half of those VNs are nukige. I finished Tsuma Migui earlier and that game was short as hell.
The moege in a day or two was an exaggeration; a good length moege like Daito took me four days of reading, whereas something like Kimi no Tonari is much shorter and would only take 1-2 days.

>>133743219
You got it.　持つ means the candle or stick or container or whatever holds enough incense for 30 minutes, but "last" is more natural English.

>>133743285
>I tend to only read 1 route
You can't really say that you've read a vn if you've only read one route. You're missing a huge chunk of the total text.

>>133743363
Not him but I prefer stories that have a definite progression, so I just pick whatever choices I would make myself and take the route I get as cannon. If I really like the characters in a VN I might play more routes but I usually don't.

>>133743363
I think most people don't read every route of moege, but I'd agree with regards to plot games. Also if it's a semi-moege (plot but still lots of moege elements) that has a "true route" then I think you have to finish the true route to say you have read it, but you don't have to do all the side routes. For example if you do Kana and Kodachi routes in daitosho I think it's fair to say you've read it.

>>133743250
Yep, but the point I want to make is. Theres the difference from being gud at doing jlpts and knowing japanese. But, well just see how well that hold 5 years from now...

btw, 4 the 5 years sounds pretty bad desu, no offense senpai. If you google it, there are people who pass the n1 in just 2 years of studying japanese. I assume anyone could do it, if you focus on studying how to pass the jlpt then learning japanese.

inb4 but anon, native speakers have no problem passing the jlpt, because shut the fuck up

>>133743363
Someone argued with me about that before and my opinion remains the same: I don't care. It's not really a big deal. VNs vary in length so much as it is (tsuma migui is probably 1/20th of Daitoshokan's text if not less) that I don't think making distinctions of how many routes read matter. And even if every VN was the same length it'd be too bothersome to say "i've read 3 routes and 3 common routes" instead of "I've read 3 vns".
些細なことを気にするな

>>133743333
Thanks. Now I know I am good enough to start fansubbing.

Maybe I need to start watching Conan again. I stopped around episode 500 I think. But I would want to watch it with subs, I just hate not knowing what is going on. I know this is holding me back.

>>133743481
If you just focus on learning Japanese you should be able to pass the N1 after 2-3 years and pass it with a high score after a bit longer.

>>133743498
>Now I know I am good enough to start fansubbing.
>this took about 10 minutes
まだまだ

>>133743592
どうでもいいところに突っ込まなくていいんだよ、アノンくん

>>133743498
Just watch it with subs. As long as you are listening it doesn't really matter

>>133743621
How do type that so fast but struggle with the conan thing for 10 minutes? Not trying to be sarcastic or anything.

>>133743724
Writing what you are thinking is a lot easier than translating something

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>>133743045
みなみけ二期と比べてね
だいぶましだと思うよ。おにいちゃん

>>133743724
I'm the 10 minute guy. I didn't type that. I'm also the 11-month guy.

>>133743621
>アノンくん
>not 名無しさん

>>133743812
Oh. Ganbare
>>133743782
Not really for something like that - it isn't hard to express in English, so if you understand it you would be able to translate it in a minute. Again, REALLY not trying to be sarcastic, I stuck too.

「じょうこう」と「ｊｋ」はさておいて
「常識に考えて」はもう死語だろうか

日本語圏のネットに疎い俺はネット用語についていけないよー

>>133743850
We are on 4chan, not 2channel.

>>133743621
>どうでもいいところに突っ込まなくて
I'm dumb, but what does that mean? Arguing about stuff that doesn't matter? I don't get the ところ

>>133743955
>突っ込まなくて
As in manzai

>>133743955
>どうでもいいところに突っ込まなくていい
Don't sweat the little details (lit. it's okay if you don't retort inconsequential points)