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How do we fix the horror genre? How can there never be a good

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How do we fix the horror genre?

How can there never be a good horror series that's actually spooky? The closest ones that tried were Yami-Shibai and Ghost Hunt.

All the rest are either action horror (Highschool of the Dead) horror romance (50 billion different series) or secret cooking shows (Another.)

Why can the Japs make the scariest horror games, books, films and manga, but be completely inept when it comes to spooky animu?
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>>133716286
Reminds me of this gookshit.

http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=350217&no=20&weekday=tue
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>>133716286
>he isn't watching Kagewani
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>>133716514
>Always shorts

Dammit
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>>133716514
Is that a goddamn ningen?
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As with horror across most mediums, the problem is often that people go in with the wrong mindset.

People often watch horror movies with the idea of "You can't scare me!" and then wonder why they aren't scared.
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Because most anime is done on the cheap the time and effort needed to do have a non-shit horror that's actually scary doesn't pan out.

More of an industry problem.
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>>133717038
you know I've never heard of a famous horror in serial form

it's always horror short stories, games, movies, etc.

even the horror manga are usually episodic
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>>133716514
I've heard this is very lovecraft-esque is that true?
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>>133717080
Essentialy this

Coupled with the fact that most serious directors/writers have abandonned the horror genre since it's filled with B-tier trash
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>>133717080
it's kinda like hypnotism
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>Be able to create this
>Can't make an anime equivalent

Hell, even actual Yokai are pretty spooky.
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>>133718841
I was going to type that but I feel that lack of budget can probably help the horror elements than harm it.

lack of animation can make for unnatural motion
instead of paying for whatever new j-pop band is popular for your OST you can start making more eerie music
and of course you can do the silent hill thing and put fog effects in place of the backgrounds.
all you really need is the atmosphere which Jap'n kinda perfected
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>>133719042
That's a really good comparison

You have to be willing to get on board with the show otherwise it just won't work
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>>133719134
Another did a pretty good job music wise
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>>133716286
>Yami-Shibai
Season 3 soon.
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>>133719209
For what it's worth, so did Shiki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2APLNRPM3_c
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>>133719269
Yes
God yes.
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>>133717075
Ningen is real

I fucking believe
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I don't get what people hate about Another. Does everyone see the cooking or is it just some dumb meme /a/ dreamed up back when it aired?
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>>133716286
I wish Chaos;Head was as scary as the VN.
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Adapt it already. Fuck.
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I liked the horror in M3.
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>>133720117
>I don't get what people hate about Another

People hate Another?
It was great fun to watch with /a/.
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I think it's harder to make cartoons scary. Do you think an anime version of Kairo would be as unnerving as the movie?
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>>133720766
Japan managed to make glorified Lego Blocks look scary
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>>133720117
I can't even tell anymore. /a/'s pies ruined all the horror for me.
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>>133720858
/a/ ruins another series
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>>133719113
I prefer her like this.
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>>133721079
>She will never be your Nee-san

Why live?
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Horror is only effective in games that are not focused on horror.
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>>133720858
This. Once I started seeing pies there was no turning back. It was probably for the best though.
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Horror anime are generally just not scary, they are still effective in creating a creepy atmosphere and good story though so it isn't like they are a total writeoff.

Something about animation just ruins it when compared to horror manga. Maybe it is something to do with your mind filling in the blanks when you read manga to make things move in your head in a creepy or weird way etc between panels, whereas in anime not a lot is left up to the imagination.

Horror mostly works in live action because it feels more real and there is a total disconnect with anime for that, atleast with manga and literature you can self insert more easily into the situations.
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Pupa, this too pussy get past episode 4, if I remember correctly.
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>>133721340
I, too, enjoy the horror in Pokemon.
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>>133720858
The opening minute ruined the horror for me, you don't open your anime by randomly flashing as many generic spooky horror images you can think of at once, it just comes across as silly. They should have held onto those shots and used them at better moments to get the point across, instead of shoehorning them in before there's anything established to connect them to the characters and story. Instead of being mysterious and unexplained it came across like they had just slapped it together thinking a few bloody crows and china dolls made it horror.


I know it's not really brought up as horror, but anyone else feel that Ghost Hound actually succeeded a great deal with its imagery and sound early on? Obviously as it got more talking worm and giant headed baby it was harder to find scary but before we knew what was happening it was spooky.
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>>133723592
Yep. Ghost Hound pretty much nailed the atmosphere before going full-retard.
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>>133723592
>Ghost Hound
Yes, actually. Especially the sound part.
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Seto no Hanayome OAV 2 was actually really spooky.
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>>133716286
What is some good horror anime anyway?
Can be 'light' fantasy horror like Berserk or psychological horror, anything really I'm in the mood for some.
I enjoyed Mononoke
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>Junji Ito anime never
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Corpse party was kinda scary...
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>>133725348
The anime wasn't
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their mangas are pretty spooky like Fuan no Tane
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>>133716286
Adapt a shitload of Junji Ito's stuff. Make each of his shorts 15 minutes a episode. Would love to see Tomie turned into a continuous series.
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>>133725348
The games are top tier.
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>>133716415
post at least the translated version anon.
http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=350217&no=31
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>>133720840
It's still 3D. Horror works MUCH better in 3D because it's easier to make something unnerving since 3D is fundamentally closer to the uncanny valley.
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>>133720501
it wasn't even horror near the end, shit just felt cheap and unfair
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>>133716286
Because most series are to long.
They try to hold suspense or horror over a longer time.
This actually doesn't work all that good in a medium that comes out in a certain amount of time.
Shorts would be awesome.
Or Films. Anime actually should be really good at horror but somehow nip animators can't really into horror appearently.
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>>133726294
>Anime actually should be really good at horror

What basis do you have for this conjecture?
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>>133726406
>high quality animation
>no need for shitty CG and/or costumes
>freedom of and what to show

I don't know you tell me?
The only horror that works in 3D is either really subtle horror or horror with only humans involved.
Because it either walks of into shitty supernatural stuff or stuff that slaps in your face all five minutes 'I'M HORROR' which is not scary at all.
Animated has no borders on what to show without it looking out of place. And can still be subtle or not to obvious or as obvious as you need in the climax or shit.
So it should be possible to create a pretty fucking scary scenario really easy. Somehow shit just gets into gore or visual horror only.
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>>133726566
>The only horror that works in 3D is either really subtle horror or horror with only humans involved.

You don't seem that experimented with the horror genre in my opinion. You should play more horror games and stop treating Hollywood movies as the definition for them.
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>>133726742
>That experimented
i suppose you meant experienced?
Hollywood movies a shit. Or only enjoyable when you turn off your brain.
The more horror i saw recently went either into a gore, slasher or some shit fest.
Or just told a very fucked up and maybe sad story.
I also know that there are good horror games out there.
Doesn't matter, what i would like are more horror movies.
I don't want to trigger horror by playing a story. I want to let the horror be told and enjoy it.
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>>133726875
>i suppose you meant experienced?

Perhaps. English is not my first language.

>Hollywood movies a shit.

Yeah that's what I implied.

>I don't want to trigger horror by playing a story. I want to let the horror be told and enjoy it.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. Horror games will always be more scary/horrorish to me because it involves the player directly, you're not just some remote observer confident in his own safety.
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>>133726875
>The more horror i saw recently went either into a gore, slasher or some shit fest.
Then stop watching shitty horror movies faggot
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>>133727034
>you're not just some remote observer confident in his own safety

Highly depends on the game as well.
Some either kill you off so often that it doesn't matter after a while or some just pull cheap jumpscares, so that you're more concentrated on the actual gameplay so that you can't enjoy the actual horror.
not saying it happens all the time or often but it happens too often.
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>Perfected the white dress wearing, long black haired asian woman ghost monster that can magically summon really long hair
>No anime about her

Why Japan? The Grudge, the Ring, Shutter, Mirrors and every other Ghost Grill movie has been spooky as shit (though the american versions were all just shit.) Give that kind of monster her series already
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>>133727135
Because their culture and country is already filled with it. Making a horror anime about it wouldn't scare anyone because it's been done to death for them. Been done so much that there's probably more porn with those sort of chicks than actual horror stuff.
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It sucks because I love horror and I love anime. They don't mix too well. I'm surprised, I would think anime would be perfect for creating series like Tetsuo, basically a horror version of Parasyte. No need to make a bunch of costumes for the actors (or shitty CG overlapping actors) or anything, when the character changes, you just have the "changed" character drawn instead.
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>>133727612
It kinda sucks because you can see a lot of horror elements in various anime but it's rarely, if ever, an actual "horror anime". From narrative atmosphere to the music, to character designs and content of the plot. Somehow they just never come together like you think they would, given all the stuff out there.

It's not that there isn't any good horror anime, there just isn't enough of it as you'd like to think with all the creative potential that the medium has.
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>>133716514
What is this?
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>>133728066
Different Anon here, but yeah, I think one of the reasons I like supernatural shounen so much is because they use horror elements to hype up villains and powerlevels, and in some series they really nail it for two or three episodes. It's sad when I think about it, but then even if there was a full on horror anime I'd want it to have a few jokes and friendships involved like more general series. Black humour in horror is great, and friendships give you a good hook to see who survives to the end. Trying to pull those things off increases the chances of failure though.
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>>133728452
>name is in the post

my little anon can't be this dumb.
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>>133716514

>that art style

The only scary thing is how it looks.
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Not enough cute girls for the Elevens to waifu
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