ITT: manga that you genuinely view as masterpieces

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>>133706640
just finished that, was fucking amazing

for me its this

Berserk, Voynich Hotel

>>133706640
sauce?

>>133709355
google image search?

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>>133709355
google-fu

Mangaka is now doing this

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I'm ready for the shit storm.

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Berserk above all else
OPM getting there

>>133709411
>Not posting best girl
This sucks. You suck chap.

>>133709488
No need, you are beyond salvation, you could at least have Berserk as your first good edgy manga. Bad vibration.

>>133706640
Dorohedoro is nice

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>>133706640
Not often something gets better and better and finish with a fantastic ending. AC is so bad in comparison.

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>>133709675
I am not okay with her haircut m8

>>133709758
AC is more palatable with shounen. Neuro > tentacle sensei

holyland

Is it bad that I don't feel this way about any manga?
I mean, I've read some great ones that are definitive favorites, like Akira and Boku no Chikyuu wo mamotte, but none that has impacted me to the point that some anime have.
Always wondered why.

>>133709974
>>133709758
Both of these and Eyeshield 21.

Not a single one. All flawed in many ways. The only thing I view as masterpieces might be short complete oneshots.

Monster.

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Anything Oh Great! does is just an insta masterpiece. I wonder how Trinity Biorg is going, I don't want to start it till it get to at least chapter 100.

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>>133706640

>>133709488
>Asano Inio
>good

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>>133706640
To be fair I havent read that much manga

I'm starting to collect manga.
Recommend me 10 volumes or less master pieces, single volumes even better.

>>133710227
Impeccable taste!!!

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>>133710264
The only ending that I didnt want but knew it had to be this way

>>133710281
Hideout is a good horror manga, amazing art. The person who did it also did Rainbow and Green Blood. Also had a oneshot that was pretty heavily posted when it came out.
1 volume.
>>133710227
Last volumes goes full retard with the end, which is hilarious because the end of LO is almost the same retread.

I'm gonna be generic here and say Attack on Titan

Musashi

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Maybe it's just because it appeals to my tastes almost exactly, but I think the only real problem with this is that I want more. But then it cuts itself short enough to perfectly tell its story, so I can't even say I think it's length is a problem.

I don't think i'd consider any manga i've read to be a masterpiece

Magi no Okurimono, Yotsuba and Bonnouji are three I can think of with almost no flaws, but thats more because they knew what they wanted to be and achieved it. I love both but they didn't reach overly high, whereas stuff like Palepoli have flaws but challenged the medium in new ways. National Quiz comes to mind as well, since it diverges from the traditional generic cliche's of manga and attempts to reach higher

That being said my favorite is Ares, even though objectively it isn't great since the writing is so weak and simple, character progression tends to be very sudden and often lacks concrete reasoning etc. Still love it regardless. So I guess just read what you enjoy and don't let flaws bother you since I sincerely believe manga is yet to produce a legitimate masterpiece

>>133710434
Oyasumi Punpun

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>>133710584

>>133706640
I felt like the middle-end was kind of rushed, but that's just me. Shit was amazing either way!

Pluto
Vagabond

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>>133706640
Trigun

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>>133710434
I can't consider anything that I have read as well a masterpiece, although my reading choices are heavily criticized. For example I really enjoy and love Terra formars and Gantz, there perfect examples of what I want Seinen to be and they show some of the best scenes.

At the moment I am a hero and TF are my clear favorites but for me to call them a masterpiece would be going a little bit to far for me personally. Although most people will hate anything I just said most likely.

>>133710584
Asano hating his readers and lashing out at them doesn't make it a masterpiece

>>133710651
I don't understand the hype of Holyland. The author butting in during fights with his commentaries and the last arc with the drug baron made the reading unbearable.

Nice character development of the MC, though.

Blame!

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Show is amazing for the tomboy, not to mention all the characters are fun.

>>133710687
I really loved Gantz too, but boy did it have a rough patch. I remember reading the first 250 chapters in a week, then it took forever to get me to read the last 100. I just remember how the MC's personality shift went from selfish asshole, to a leader trying to save everybody, to "I gots to save my girlfriend :("

I couldn't stand the last personality shift, changed the whole dynamic of the manga.

>>133710741
Cute.

When did the Punpun hate get so big? Even around New Year's, when it had already gotten really big in casual places, /a/ seemed to be more or less split on it, with some people liking it a lot and some thinking it was mediocre after the beginning. But now it seems like even mentioning it just attracts hate, and the only people who are defending it are obvious newfags and Hox.

>>133710434
Magi no Okurimono pisses me off with the ending. The "she's gone and he found someone else" ending is hard to sell me on, and it only gets harder when it's not supposed to be a fully sad ending, and even more when there's an established heaven and she's still existing in it.

Honey & Clover
>Personal opinon, but I think it did college angst really well without being too edgy

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>>133710772

>>133709488
I hate Sachi so fucking much

>>133710797
/a/ hates everything that becomes too popular.
>It doesn't help that it's getting a western release soon.
weaboos will ruin anything.

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A masterpiece in beast girls

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Yotsuba

>>133710852
Best*

>>133710862
I have strong evidence to believe that anyone that doesn't like yotsuba is a communist.

>>133710797
It's cause tumblr grabbed on to it and /a/ didn't want to be associated. I can't even open a Punpun thread anymore, because it is true. Great at the beginning, still pretty great in the middle with sparks of brilliance, but the end, not a lot will even bother defending even if they enjoyed it. I'm just glad Pegasus' storyline got resolved, apart from that, trite ending.

>>133710183
His problem is that he starts alright stories but goes over the top. Air gear would have been so much better if would just been punks skating for areas and parts, not fucking beams from skates.
Tenjho tenge went full retard with special power aswell.
Biorg trinity atleast starts with a weird concept, so it's mor acceptable

>>133710919
where would humanity be without yotsuba rule 34

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A masterpiece.

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>>133710755
Man I got so hyped when I saw Nishi back, he was such an awesome character and it's a shame what happened to Izumi.

I felt that they created the vampires to just kill Izumi and that's about it.

But Kurono changed during the series of Gantz, originally he looked like he was going to turn into Nishi but he followed Kato footsteps of wanting to save people espically at the beginning of the dinosaurs arc and as well Gantz is one of the very few series in which you can argue that the

Main character dies twice, once with the vampires and once when he gets cloned and fucks with the aliens. That was hilarious that Q&A scene though.

>>133710955
He just lost control of Tenjou Tenge entirely. Random powers and flashbacks and rape everywhere.

>>133710919
>anyone that doesn't like yotsuba is a communist
>the page posted has her saying there's something really scary and then pointing at consumerism
Nice try Trotsky Spy

>>133710993
A better place, the good guys would have won ww2

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>>133711052
Oi vey, I've been discovered!
Also ranma is a masterpiece of best girl

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not even joking

>>133710621
Agreed. But people will defend it because:
>hurr school shit is shounen
>durr my complex imagery
I enjoyed it, but the end is one of the most predictable and shounenesque things I've ever read.

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Best

>>133709314
the ending really did make the impact for me

i'll 2nd vagabond

for pure shounen i'd have to pick hoshi

narutaru was the only masterpiece i'd pick out on my own
>>133711370
that looks beautiful

>>133711150
for lighthearted comedy with some waff one piece - to that point - made me feel like a kid again. i dropped it soon after

>>133711416
Do you know where I can get uncensored versions of the manga for narutaru. I refuse to read something censored

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Height of the medium desu senpai

>>133711504
Height of the medium is Palepoli. Everything else is uninspired shit.

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=269191&showfiles=1 ?
honestly not sure but i will check my harddrives for you

>>133711159
I don't see how you can actually defend the school section over the rest. The fucking guy hanging from the ceiling, really?

>>133710955
but his artstyle really could use over the top storyline. he just need it to keep it in check. Somebody should layout the story transition for him,

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>>133709714
>>133710259
Trying to Fit In: The Posts. You have to be very young or very sheltered to consider PunPun "edgy".

Anyway, this was my favorite moment from it.

>>133710424
Just bombed through this. Damn.

qualities that are necessary for masterpiece?
art-style
mood/impact
compelling ( story or characters )

>>133710700
>countering an argument no one has ever made

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>>133706640

>>133710814
MY HEART!

Dr. Kumahige.

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Sanctuary.

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>>133711285

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What is Hitsugi Katsugi no Kuro?

>>133712306
It's the opposite. You have to be very young or very sheltered to consider PunPun good and not edgy. No self-respecting adult would like this garbage.

PunPun was a self-loathing faggot whose problems were entirely in his head. He had a damn good life before getting involved with Aiko.

>>133713643
>irresponsible dad in prison
>piece of shit mom in hospital
>suicidal uncle taking care of you
Yeah, a great life.

>>133710614
Muh. Nigga.

Ending was utter perfection.

>>133713643
see >>133713727

Also, you shouldn't need to utterly relate to the main character to appreciate a work of art, you lowbrow narcissist.

>>133713641
I like your thinking, but it's ongoing isn't it? Definitely on track to be a masterpiece though.

>>133711994
dog brother chapters were the best

Aku no Hana

>>133711504
Trash after timeskip.

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English release when?

I'll get shit on for this, but Death Note. The story was original, the characters were handled well, the art was gorgeous. I still dont get how it was a jump title.

Also Blame! Is a visual storytelling masterpiece.

>>133714164
I agree with Blame!
I like Death Note as well, but it's not that clever if you watch it a 2nd time.

>>133711289

This.
Although the beginning is pretty weak it gets only better and better from the east west battle.
Also Buddha I would say.
>>133713533
Tokai is just so lovable.

Monster

Biomeat.

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Well up to soul society atleast

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the most popualr manga ever must be the best

>>133715064
>>133714981
nah

>>133710324
>>133710227
muh brethen

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There's some good taste here
Shigurui, Tokyo Ghoul and Kingdom is my top 3

>>133715287
reverse search give nothing, i'm intrigued. What is this ?

>>133716042
>anime >aired this year
>always has threads popping up on /a/
>name of a character on the page

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Pluto

>>133716129
>implying i care about /a/ threads and cartoons for kids

I'm here for litterature

>>133716224
I didn't watch the anime and I don't care for the manga, but I know it because it was and still is all over the place.

>>133710281
Bokurano

>>133716224
Tokyo Ghoul. Good writting, good psychological issues on the main character.

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>>133710367
Fuck you bitch. I'll always hate what you did. Fucking platinum mad

Monster
Steel Ball Run
Yotsubato!
Ashita no Joe
National Quiz
Devilman
Bobobo
Bonnouji
Kokou no Hito
Saikyou Densetsu Kurosawa

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>>133716224
Also the art is pretty amazing

>>133714153
and
>>133710862

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Despite it's (frankly, many) flaws, I will always hold up pic related as the series that affected me the most as I grew up.

Why is manga leagues above anime?

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Left a strong impressions on me and some mixed feelings. Shit made me scared.

>>133715502
Shit tier ending

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>>133709726
I'd easily consider it a masterpiece, it's honestly that good, the only thing that kills is it is the infrequent releases and hiatus, but once it's all done and you're able to read it in one go it's gonna be way more satisfying.

>>133717217
I haven't read the manga, but goddamit the anime ending has got to be the worst ending I have ever seen. It had everything to be great and they just had to ruin everything in the last few minutes.

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I miss being able to say SAO.

>>133716800
Boichis most underrated work.

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I don't think any other manga comes close to the level of perfection that is Gon. I think the art is unparalleled compared to everything I have read and seen, I'm not saying there aren't other mangaka with that level of skill, just no other manga has that level of technique, artistry, detail and goddamn passion.

As for the story, many might think stuff like "it's not deep or thought provoking" Might be true but that doesn't make it any less perfect because that's not the type of story it set out to be, it did what it wanted to do and did it perfectly, and with no dialogue at all.

>>133717398
Manga adaption ending feels like axed.
It's impossible to find translated LNs which is shame.

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Sometimes you don't even need words.

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>>133717592
What in flying fuck are you talking about? The ending was perfect, and this wasn't a fucking adaptation.

>>133717400
Sword Art Online was always shit.

>>133713643
this is the type of guy that thinks Eva is shit because Shinji is a faggot.

also, edgy =/= automatically shit, most of the highly regarded anime/manga has a lot of edgy elements.

Fucking contrarians and their non-points.

Maison Ikkoku
Touch
YKK

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Volume 4 never.

>>133718056
Great taste

>>133710324
Yes, anime when?

>>133710434
Seems like you have not read enough manga. You sound like someone that just dipped their toe in the vast ocean and decided is not worth exploring. Fucking casual.
>>133710264
Read more than, and you have to be 18+ to post her kid. Jesus, how many emo teens do we have here?

>>133718453
It's okay, you don't have to try so hard anon.

>>133718453
Maybe you're the one who needs to read more? Most of the greatest works in the western canon of literature are "emo teen shit".

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>>133718363
Ultra Heaven?

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Aria is probably the most beautiful manga series I've read.

>>133709764
I dunno know

even if you liked it, it got axed by the law

>>133710874
you typed what you typed

she must be a beast in bed

>>133711150
pre-timeskip One Piece was great

but post-timeskip haven't given me the wonder that pre-timeskip gave me.

>>133713189
before the timeskip I thought it was a guy who got hit with a soccer ball.

greatest love story ever told

>>133718627
need more shoujo with Keikaku MCs

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>>133711632
We need to be honest, the manga starts here

>inb4 mangareader

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Haven't read it for a while, so I think I'll reread it soon and catchup. Great art and story, and a cute robot girl. Too bad only scans avaliable have shitty watermarks on them, wish my moon was good enough.

>>133717353
Any idea how long will it take for it to end? Been waiting for some months already, I think I left off around 130.

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Dunno about masterpiece, but its probably the best post apocalyptic wasteland comic I've ever read.

>>133719595
The fact that the MC isn't "the lone hero in a crazy world" but "an asshole like everyone else."

Anything By Shintaro Kago t.b.q.h

>>133719625
>an asshole like everyone else
Possibly worse. He's a real scary little shit.

>>133717507
I saw the 'anime' on tv the other week. I was not expecting that.

>>133713643
No, you have to be either under 12 or fucking retarded to dismiss everything slightly dramatic or compelling as "edgy" just because you can't understand it
>self-loathing faggot whose problems were entirely in his head
>entirely in his head
>what is depression
Considering the ridiculous amount of REAL edgy try-hards here on /a/ I'll probably be ridiculed for this, but mental conditions are not some emo kids thing, they are a serious problem for those who experience it, like depressed people. Aside from the fact that in Punpun's case his family was torn apart, you can lead on the surface a perfectly normal life but be miserable inside. So yes, (most of) his problems were inside his head, so what?

Oyasumi Punpun had its flaws, granted, but comments like these are the reason why some people see /a/ as a cancerous place

>>133717796
this guy has it right

>>133719587
One more volume left so at least 1 more year for it to end.

>>133714121
kill yourself

>>133714164
I'd agree that the manga is a masterpiece
>>133714328
read the manga

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>>133706640
Not really a masterpeice but while reading it, it felt like a masterpeice. Pic related.

>>133709116
God, that last shot.

I literally cried when that happened

>>133719487
i think the problem is that its no longer an adventure but a mission if that makes sense. hopefully that will change when they beat kaidou though

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This was a good edgy manga
Too bad few people checked this out cause the author is popular for his comedic works

>>133710955
Which is weird because the actual ending and final conflict in Air Gear was anything but complicated. It makes you wonder why he needed to take that huge detour in the story before heading straight for that simple finale.

>>133710680
it was sometimes hard to know what was happening

For me it's:
Rozen Maiden
Oyasumi Punpun
Aku no Hana
Uchu Kyodai

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Bleach and Gantz

Cheers anons. I've added 12 titles to my plan to read list from this thread. Good shit.

>>133720740
>aku no hana
manga went to shit post time skip, after the botched suicide incident

>>133713261
>>133710814
>>133710772
>>133710741
>>>/lgbt/

>>133721013
Shhh
We're pretending this isn't a rec thread.

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>>133720927

The one with the MC being a host of a dystopian quiz show. The mangaka is the same author from Obrigado

>>133709494
I'm surprised people shit on Punpun but not this.

>>133721120
>456

Fucking hell it's nearly been 200 chapters since then.

>>133717353
It didn't finish yet? I thought it had like two chapters left when I checked a year ago.

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My personal Deus Ex of manga. I re read this shit every year and never get tired.

Yumiko Juice.

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ライチ ラライチ ララライチ

>>133721051
Same anon
I also prefer the first part, but I liked the second one too, I enjoyed seeing the MC maturing and pulling himself together after all that happened.
But I can see how not everyone likes it

>>133718546
Maybe you should stop reading only western work about first world problems "muh adolescence feelings". I mean they are fine for manga since is more or less made for teens. But you being 30 and holding Catcher in the Rye as masterpiece is not a good thing.

>>133710227
>>133710357
>>133715542
Why? I can't understand what you, people, find in Alita.

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>>133718857
You can't do better than this one
>>133719383
Second best
>>133711994
And third
>>133710081
>>133710227
>>133710324
>>133716173
>>133718056
>>133719656
Also those are extremely good.

I'll add Shiori experience, Innocent, Imawa no kuni no alice and Mob psycho.

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>>133721465
I don't see what's wrong with "muh adolescence feelings" stories, as long as it's well portrayed. I hated Punpun's character but there ARE people like him in the real world.

Anyway, posting my favorite.

>>133716500
Well, later at least. First few chapters aren't that great, but the story is worth it at that time.

The anime is garbage, the manga is great.

The readership base is pretty cancerous, although /a/ threads (when there is something to actually talk about) are fine - okay.

>>133719656
>>133720533
>>133714121
>>133710651
>>133710324
>>133710227
>>133709923
>>133709758
>>133709494
>>133709411
>>133706640
>>133719585
>>133719383
>>133718552
>>133718078
>>133717400
>>133717353
>>133716800 Only first chapter
>>133716173
Yes
>>133709488
>>133710081
>>133710424
>>133710614
>>133710680
>>133710687
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No

>>133721465
Not the same anon, but a manga doesn't have to only be targeted towards adults to be considered a masterpiece. The Catcher in the Rye is a perfect example for this.

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>>133721561
Forgot to add pic.

>>133717507
Agreed.

>>133721541
No shit there are people like that. But jotting their feelings onto paper does not automatically warrant a good work. You thinking most western masterpieces being adolescence stories truly underestimate western fiction. Read more buddy.

>>133719595
Are the scans for that active again?

>>133706640
I really dont understadn wat was the message of koko no itto.

The mc got himself a really good life and then goes and make himself a crippled without even reaching his goal of climbing that mountain porperly.

>>133721600
We were talking about western novels. Different media type, different expectation, different things that make them masterpieces. All subjective anyway. If you thought Catcher in the Rye was masterpiece, then so is Onani Master Kurosawa. If not, you truly have some inane bias.

>>133719450
This was great

>>133721673
I'm not the same anon as >>133718546
Portraying something accurately and skillfully is part of what makes a good work for me.

>>133721596
nope

>>133721596
Fuck off

>>133715287
I really like it that :re is a new manga.

Because the original will always be amazing since it's separate from the abomination that :re is.

>>133721465
If it's well executed it can be a masterpiece, doesn't matter what it's about faggot. You disliking Catcher in the Rye doesn't make it bad. Maybe when you mature past the point of hating everything that reminds you of how embarrassing your teenage self was you'll realize that.

>>133721826
:RE is pretty good though. It's a bit different, but also similar to the original in ways.

What are your major qualms with :RE?

>>133721738
What's wrong with Onani Master Kurosawa? It's pretty good.

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kek

>>133711150
best shonen for sure, memes aside

>b-but dragon ball made history!

Fuck you

>>133721907
The art is my biggest gripe.

It's unreadable mess most of the time, and almost none of it is anywhere the quality that the original one had.

Buddha.

>>133722002
Are you serious?

>>133721515
>Shiori experience
Why would you consider that a masterpiece when it's still ongoing with only a couple chapters translated?

>>133721738
Same anon, I don't know if it makes me a newfag or anything but I didn't read Onani Master Kurosawa, I definitely will though, I just read the summary and it's the kind of shit that appeals me. I like stories that make you feel nostalgic.

>>133721703
don't think so.

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Greatest love story

>>133722102
No, I'm just goofing and gaffing.

There are actual people who ask for others to explain what's going on, on some pages because you have to spend 20 minutes looking at a page to make out what's going on.

>>133722134
Fuck, we'll never see the part where Kosuna becomes the MC.

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>>133722174
ever told

>>133722174
The truck is still second to the biggest killer in Japan which is the common cold.

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>>133722174
desu/10

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>>133722002
But the art in general is way better than the original.

Yes, in the beginning, the art style is a bit bubbly, slice-of-life-y, but whenever shit hits the fan, it becomes more sharp and powerful.

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If it weren't for the rushed ending I think more people might agree. Great blend of multiple themes from romance to comedy and more serious issues related to growing up as well. Also great art and great writing. So many of the story arcs and characters motivations just felt so real and things always played out with a nice amount of drama but without going to far and resolving neatly, mostly. And, though I think the ending was stupidly rushed, I felt she managed to resolve a lot of things quite well and give a nice warm feeling that I needed to be satisfied after all the time I spent with the characters and also that maybe it wasn't really her fault.

>>133722204
Well Masatoshi is another one notorious for taking long ass hiatus's so its not like the story is advancing that far ahead while we sit on out asses waiting for it to be translated again.

Apparently all of volume 13 has been translated but the translator has been too busy to finish editing.

>>133722175
Because of IS and their shading abuse.

The first few arcs of berserk, before gutts became a babysitter.

>>133721596
Meh, agree with some, clearly disagree with others.
First of all, you can't call a masterpiece something that hasn't even been completed (I am a hero, for example).
Also Shin Angyo Onshi is easily one of the most overrated works in the whole business that gets praised only because it's korean - small wonders it looks good, 99% of manwha is unwatchable.

Bradherley's coach is objectively very good, despite the plot not being for everyone
This >>133709435
can't be recommended enough.

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>>133722351
This
That scene where Guts goes "BASTAAARDS" at the Eclipse made me rethink my life

>>133721596
>implying you've read all of them so that you can give a proper rating
fuck off kid

>>133722472
It's a shame that Miura lost his spark. You can tell his passion for the work steadily died off after those first few arcs.

The main criteria for calling a manga "a masterpiece" should be the value it acquires during a r͢e҉-re҉a͟d.
Otherwise, it's just something nice going for shock value or such (notable example: death note).

>>133721454
>MC maturing and pulling himself together after all that happened
it was total shit, MC was bawwing over muh Nakamura and his boner calmed down after he met that lookalike chick

>>133722559
>Re-reading things

Nice waste of time you could use to enjoy new things nerd.

>>133722559
>death note
>shock value
L dying was only shock value for fujo landwhales
Death note manga is brilliant
It shows Light's twisted thought process and shows how much of a sociopath he is
Whereas the anime showed him as a projecting psychopath

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>>133722537
I don't think he lost the passion, just look at the quality of his drawings. But he made bad pacing and tone choices (fuck that Sea God filler arc)

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>>133722618
>Death Note is brilliant

Found the normie.

>>133721923
My point exactly. Is a masterpiece, and touched the core more than reading Catcher in the Rye. They guy I was replying to stated that he haven´t found anything in the manga world that he would label masterpieces, to which I said read more manga.

Devilman

>>133722648
back to >>>/r9gay/
frogposter

JoJo Part 4 desu

>>133722618
Death Note had good ideas such as Light starting doing whatever the fuck he wanted without preventing and some well thought plans but also pretty stupid shit and weird exposition
Good manga but not so good anime

>>133722597
It's a waste of time if you reread shit.
The rare times you find someone who planned all his work beforehand and put attention into the details, it's extremely rewarding.
>>133722618
Personally I find it weaker and weaker as long as time goes: the premise is awesome and the first chapters as well, but once you reread it you start to notice how few the author had planned his shit except for L always changing sweets and always suspecting Light as a culprit from the very start.
Then you reread the second part and it gets atrocious.

>>133722696
part 4 a shit
battle tendency and SBR are the only acceptable answers

>>133722736
4>7>2>6>1>3>5

desu

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Yes, part 2 was just as good.

>>133722727
I seriously don't get why most people have his huge boner towards L
Sure, he was awesome but this doesn't justify you disregarding post L arc as mediocre
It's like saying TTGL goes to shit after Kamina dies

>>133713643
>Tries to use edgy as a legit criticism
>Tries to argue using emotion instead of logical reasoning to explain why he the manga is bad
>I don't like the way that the story turned out, therefore it's bad.
You're the very definition of a pleb who tries extremely hard to be elitist. Get fucked.

>>133722118
>Have not read it
Well, you proved my point, you have not read enough manga, so just go and do that, that is all.
>>133721871
Not really, I have seen brutality pretty well executed in both novels and manga. Doesn´t mean they are masterpieces. I don´t dislike Catcher in the Rye, it´s just not on the same emotional level as the same shit but done in manga format. It needs to well executed, a theme that resonate with the reader, and the feeling of it being genuine and heartfelt. Master of prose can make a great prose, but if the theme does not resonate with the reader, is no use. And this was about reading more. Not just reading required basic literature you had to read during English 101.

>>133722727
Second part is actually pretty well thought. It had less retarded plans than part 1 (Light was retarded in the whole part and his master plan relied on a huge plot shield)
Near and Mello cooperating to try to destroy the trust Light won was pretty well done

>>133713641
Is there a place where I can read the volumen 4? or I have to buy it?

>>133722625
>>I don't think he lost the passion
I disagree.
In his old art, although it was less detail oriented and polished, it felt alive and vibrant. Nowadays not so much.
If you look at how the story petered off, you can tell that he stopped caring about it as much as he used to when he was starting out with the story.

Bundle this with all the hiatuses that he's famous for and it's evident that he's lost that spark.

>>133722650
The resolution to it was bit of a letdown
I mean, it was kinda hard to stomach how the MC got scot free after doing such depraved shit (jacking off on your female classmate's belongings is serious shit)
Instead, he just got a little beating andfaced some ostracization from the class.Heck, he didn't even get suspended or expelled

>>133722873
>it felt alive and vibrant. Nowadays not so much.
That's pretty subjective (everything is, but things like this are hard to discuss). And Miura spends a lot more time drawing and improved the quality of his art. Which also explains the hiatuses.
The only reason to think he lost the passion is the story, but it's just as explainable by bad choices and mistakes. But yeah, I'm waiting for it to get good again.

>>133722778
That's because you give my post your personal meaning... the reasons why the second part is horrible are because Light's new antagonists are way less developed, the art drops in quality except towards the very end and because Light's new interactions towards allies/enemies are significantly reduced.
More importantly, in the second part you can easily see that the author is making shit up every week, and it shows. Imo Death Note's decline doesn't start with L's death, but with the introduction of Misa.

>>133717687
Truly a gem. Scan when?

>>133722876
He spent like months/years trying to improve iirc. I don't think it's so far-fetched to think things would settle down after all that time. Even if it was so unrealistic, the idea is still there : move on and open to others instead of locking yourself in your own pre-established thoughts. That's the most important in the resolution.

>>133722942
>But yeah, I'm waiting for it to get good again.
So many years have gone by and it's only gotten worse. This isn't going to happen.

>>133722472
They need to make this into an anime, again.

>>133721621
Good manga, terrible tumblr fanbase. Just like with all things that get an Anime so it is pretty solid in my book.

>>133710324
Yep

>>133723029
You just need to take out Guts RPG party. They're not gonna live, didn't you learn from the Eclipse?

I just hope it happens before Miura dies

>>133722782
Not him, but Punpun really is made for people with no self-respect, only people that could identify with that horny doucebag MC.
>I had sex, NOOOO
>I want sex, I want to rape
>I hate my life
Just jerk off, is not hard.

>>133723038
Exactly my thoughts. I kinda hope Ishida offends the Tumblrites somehow and makes them go "muh TG is racist/sexist/x-phobic fuck it!" and gets them to sod off with their stupid fujo theories, shitty art and general obnoxiousness.

>>133722478
I have, I omitted things I have not read. You make it sound like a massive undertaking.

>>133723076
>They're not gonna live, didn't you learn from the Eclipse?
From howe the story was set up, I find it hard to believe that they're going to die, and even if they do it would probably be near the end of the story.

Gutts has fundamentally changed as well. He just doesn't have that edge anymore. He feels like some kind of father taking care of his children than some wandering rogue warrior on a mission for vengeance.

Not saying he should have been a blood drinking edgecunt for the rest of the series, but this gutts feels completely different from the one i grew attached to early on in the series.

>>133721465
You entirely missed the point of the phrase "emo teen shit". Proust, Joyce, Hemingway, Goethe, Nabokov, Faulkner, Heller, Kawabata, Marquez, and pretty much every other author of essential literature considered to be the most profound and moving depictions of the human experience deal with issues of depression, angst, identity, and self-image. All of the above authors even use adolescent primary characters in one or more of their books, though that wasn't even my point. Hell, Homer did the teen angst thing right off the bat with Achilles, so it seems like "first world problems" are considered a pretty important cornerstone of the human experience in western literature, believe it or not. But I guess you read all the REAL masterpieces why the rest of us are caught up in immature "muh adolescence feelings" drivel, eh? Faggot.

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>>133723139
Lost Children Guts is the best Guts. He does the "revenge vs protect the things you still have" theme a lot better than Final Fantasy Guts.

trying to remember the name of this one manga I thought was really good at the time. Was about a giant elementary school being transported to a weird desert dimension and they would get killed off all over the place by this giant crab centipede thing. And they would be fighting that and each other for food and stuff. Its probably not a masterpiece if I reread it now but it was still pretty fun to read

>>133723139
Its called an character arc,things like traveling with someone make you more civilized, there was a whole period of time about how heavy his burden was with Casca alone in tow. Deep down he's the same, the armor is eating his body away slowly and the fox will probably appear soon,there's lots of foreshadowing about something bad that's going to happen to the company or Guts. I feel like they'll arrive on the island only to see it under siege from the apostles

>>133723178
But anon, how can I pretend to be a mature adult If I praise stories about teenagers and kids and not stories about adults having adult problems?

>>133723303
Drifting Classroom

>>133723335
yes thats it thank you

>>133723303
Read Psyren, its a pretty fun read too, ignoring the rushed ending

>>133723178
Seems you have missed the point of coming-of-age stories. You relate, you confirm the feelings you had, the regrets you need to move on from and a good dose of nostalgia. After that you move on to other works. Punpun´s take on it is wallowing in self pity for the entire story and even in the end, he is still a self-hating dickhead when you finish the story. You need to grow out of your emo state, and read more.

I can say that Aku no Hana and Akira are very good because it is completed.

Incomplete but very good ones:
Vagabond
Kangoku Gakuen
Otoyomegatari
Onepunch-Man
I Am a Hero

>>133723567
Great taste aside from shitty Akira, what a fucking dredge to finish it. If I wanted to wank over action there are better alternatives.

>>133723416
Not him but Punpun being an unsufferable bitch even at the end isn't inherently bad. Some people never learn.

>>133723327
I just don't know, anon, I just don't know.

>>133723416
Who ever said PunPun was a coming of age story? How many of the "great" works of the western canon do I have to name off where the main character, regardless of age, DOESN'T "just grow up" and overcome their own internal turmoil for you to see how vapid your criticism is in a broader context? PunPun actually doesn't wallow in self-pity and hatred for the majority of the book. On the contrary, we see how he reaches that state, which only really happens as we reach the climax. And as we're shown his story of spiralling depression and self-loathing, we see many other stories of people who dealt with their own demons in utterly different ways, so your argument is pretty fucking hollow, mate.

>You need to grow out of your emo state, and read more.
I don't think you're in a place to be offering anyone advice based on their taste in art.

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>>133721596
Usually I like to get a review with some detail as to why some opinions differ from mine, yours is one that captures my interest. Explain with some detail what you didn't like about medaka box.

Hard mode: You CAN'T just use the word shit.
Extra hard: You cant use meme answers.

>>133719799
This sounds like it's nailed what the manga is, and the reason why I haven't read the manga yet. The vibes I get from the posts feel familiar to me, so I want no part of it. Great for you if you can't relate, it's called a personality disorder for a reason faggots. It's the club where you sit out from what is life, but we may change, or fake it for a while to fit in.

>>133723840
>Extra hard: You cant use meme answers.
Is 'reddit-tier' a meem or valid term for critiquing?

>>133722876
He was in middle school though, if it doesn't get to the cops I'd assume ostracization and detention would be as far as it goes.

>>133723908
Who exactly do you think cares about your opinions of something you haven't read?

>>133720600
The only thing I find off in the manga is how a guy is like, 195cm tall and they're like wow he's a giant

>>133723648
>About a certain boy
>About his life growing from kid to teen to adult
>About the changes he undertakes
>Different person at the end compared to when he was at the start, sure more dick than ever, but still changed.
>I-is not coming of age, that is bad label to have!
Well, beats me mm?
What is great is subjective, but if you consider protagonist that doesn´t mature to be a great thing, you have no respect from me regarding your past and future opinions.
Even reading it, the emo warning clocks is ringing loud and clear. You need to grow out of that self loath you think is so cool.

And we are on a image board discussing Japanese comics with strangers, you pretty much signed up for getting advice you won´t agree with.

>>133723840
I have a lesson soon, so if you are still interested, I will post a more detailed post in about 2 hours. Cheers champ.

>>133723941
Nope, fags usually cant review anything without just throwing memes instead of talking about the actual content of the thing they're reviewing. This builds a distraction to whether the real base of their stated a argument or opinion is strong or not.

>>133724128
Well I'll have to pass then. Thanks for the opportunity and all.

>>133724111
>I have a lesson soon, so if you are still interested, I will post a more detailed post in about 2 hours. Cheers champ.

Have a good day.

>>133723416
Stories don't have to be about people improving. No one said Punpun was coming of age.

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>>133718210
Urasawa's worst work, but it has huge competition. I don't even know where the fuck its going.
>>133718363
UH has really good paneling. I love when artists use panels in different ways. >>133719656
>yfw she is taken to be used as a hive cum queen

>>133724086
Fooly Cooly or Wandering Son are coming of age stories. They focus on a single character as they learn to manage and accept their own need to fit into broader society with their own unique, exposed identity. OPP doesn't fit this mold, and PunPun is just one of a diverse cast of characters with different issues going in different directions. I have nothing against a good coming of age story, but OPP isn't one. A CoAS can take place over a few moments, or it can follow a character over years of development, but the latter happening doesn't automatically make something a CoAS. If you took PunPun out entirely but still told the stories of his uncle, mother, and the other adult characters, it would still be compelling. I think you're latching onto that inappropriate label just to save face and argue something beyond your inability to respond to anything else I said.

>but if you consider protagonist that doesn´t mature to be a great thing, you have no respect from me regarding your past and future opinions.
No, I don't actually need a protagonist to mature in order to consider something a great work of art. Which one of us is fixated on coming of age again?

>You need to grow out of that self loath you think is so cool.
You don't seem to have the faintest clue as to what kind of story I or other people who like it consider OPP to be. Maybe I should use shorter, simpler sentences if this conversation continues.

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>>133722002
>art
That was imperial scans fault, their scans were absolutely shit. Look at this panel in :re

>>133718187
Only one vote for YKK.
Everyone but this guy is a filthy scrub. YKK is a once life affirming and destroying.


Also worth a read: Kabu no Isaki.

>>133724769

See>>133716517

>>133714153
I'd buy ten of it and anything else this brilliant fucking 50 year old slaps together.

>>133724769
And >>133721541

YKK is almost becoming mainstream on /a/, and I'm fine with that

>>133724868
Have you read any of his other works like kabu?

Th fucking ending of kabu no Isaki just ruined my night in a good way. I've never felt that way before.

>>133718857
>Came here to post this

>>133724938
Not yet. Does it compare to YKK? I should add that I found YKK's ending perfect.

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>>133724868

I imported the first volume in moon just because I love it so much - and I can't even read Nipponese.

I'd hesitate to say 'I'd give my left nut for a YKK localisation' because a mate of mine recently caught testicular cancer, but my desire to see it have an English release is still strong.

Remember to check your balls for lumps, kids! Prime age for dem tumors is between adolescence and your 30s.

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>>133725001
Hope your buddy gets better. I bought an Alpha poster (pic related), but now I don't know if I should hang it since it might reveal my powerlevel.

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>>133725099

I had a custom T-shirt printed with the YKK logo, pic related. No comments yet, my facade of normalcy remains intact.

>>133723080
PunPun can't figure out if he deserves to be loved. Jerking off doesn't exactly solve that problem of his. It is staggering how you can comprehend so little of what you read. Legitimately impressive in a way. It might also be a waste of energy to tell you this, but you don't actually have to identify with a character to get something from a story, so you might mull over whether OPP is REALLY "made for people with no self-respect". I can't find the exact quote, but Nabokov said that identifying with the protagonist is the lowest manner of appreciating literature. Food for thought, dumdum.

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I have no qualms with this one.

>>133713533
When that nigga appeared for the first time I knew the manga was going to become way better.

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Defined my late adolescence and when reading it again recently it hadn't lost any of its power.

>>133724975
It is very similar to ykk, but slightly stranger. You love it If You liked ykk.
>>133725001
Honestly I can't tell the difference between vas defrens and cancer so I've just resigned to dying.

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The best ecchi comedy of all time

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>>133725388
I still re-read it every year. Sometimes twice. It is very powerful. I really identify with the Twilight of humanity sort of resignation.