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Kiss Shot vs Arcueid vs Alucard

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Which of these vampires would win a triple threat fight to the death?
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>>133706198
Kiss shot now go away
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>>133706198
This is the third time we've done this and it's been pretty much agreed that it's a fight between Arc and Alucard, the main difference being there aren't too many Alucard fans to defend him compared to the huge TM fanbase.
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Easily Alucard but the faggots will pick Kiss. That is how pathetic and cringe worthy /a/ has become
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>>133707109
Arc shits on Kisshot though.

Her blade can't harm Arc conceptually and Arc's stats are better if we're talking about 100% or even 30%.

Alucard can't really die so it's not really a problem.
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>>133707109
Easily Kiss but the faggots will pick Alucard. That is how pathetic and cringe worthy /a/ has become
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>>133707109
This, is futile to argue with the drove of moeshitfaggots or the nasudicksuckers, is like having facts cast aside in a debate with an insane fem tumblr landwhale group.
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>>133707266
Thats alot of buzzwords
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>>133707109
I have to check the site I´m in everytime Nasuworshippers and haremfaggots post here. Is like I´m in MAL or reddit. Hell, even MAL´s edgefags are better poster than the aforementioned lot.
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>>133706198
Doesn't matter. Winner gets a title shot at Undertaker but they can't break the streak.

I know the streak was broken last year. I'm not ready to let that go.
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>>133707066
Alucard and Arcueid are both oddities, so Kiss Shot can erase both of them.
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>fight to the death
Well, Arc can't die so the other two can't possibly win.
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>>133707266
>No argument
>Only whining
>pathetic
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>>133707294
Speaking of the nasudick mongrels, capeshit-tier post.
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>>133707447
Arcuied isn't though. She's a natural part of the earth, just like an earth spirit only better.

It's too hard to tell with Alucard if he's be considered natural or not considering he is everywhere at once.
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>>133707457
Arc can die it's just unfeasible to kill her unless you're bare minimum a planet buster.
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>>133707498
>Argue about the obvious
Read the Tsukihime VN.
Read the Hellsing manga or watch the new OVA adaptation.
Ignore the harem garbage, she is a loli, /a/ loves loli vampire, that´s all you need to know.
Congratulations, you now made the entry barrier level. Now you know what we all know, Alucard would win in a fight between the three.
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Alucard can exist everywhere and nowhere. How the fuck do you beat that?
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>>133707567
>Goku can´t win, Superman is like a god.
/co/, stay in your containment board.
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>>133707447
>Alucard and Arcueid are both oddities
Arc would be the antithesis of an oddity.
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>>133707590
Reminder that Kiss Shot can jump around the world in seconds, and shattered Antarctica just by stepping on it.

She could easily destroy Earth if she wanted to.
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>>133707635
>But lack Melty Blood
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Omnipotent being vs a really powerful vampire?

Is this even a question?
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>>133707716
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>>133707716
If we are going to play the raw powerlevels game TM has plenty to choose from.
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>>133707716
Physical stats don't really matter in this kind of battle as Arc will always have higher stats anyways, not that that matter to Alucard anyways.
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>>133707716
plus she can be killed only by herself
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>>133707660
Trap him in a space outside of both concepts or just in a particular location, lock him in nowhere, or somehow instantaneously cause him enough pain to fry his consciousness or will to live before he can exploit this ability, just directly erase his existence, ability drain him first, there are plenty of options

Abilities tend to have counter abilities. Alucard would be vulnerable as shit to anything in the sekai school of abilities.
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>>133707799
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>>133707773
Who are you implying is omnipotent, johnny?
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>>133707897
I don't think you quite grasp the concept of Schrodinger's cat.
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>>133707825
>plus she can be killed only by herself

>>133707937
>I don't think you quite grasp the concept of Schrodinger's cat.
I grasp it just fine. If you remove the box it's just a dead or alive cat.
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>Alucard is literally immortal
>as long as you keep fighting kiss shot she'll live since the only way to kill her is to stop believing she's even there
>arcrueid gets #rekt
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>>133706198
Well thing is, Alucard would just mindrape them till they are broken seeing how mentally fragile Arc and grandma loli is. Is not even about powerlevel, the guy will literally rape you in body, mind and soul.
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Remender that D can kill all three of these.
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>>133706198
If we're going post Ultimate Alucard vs 100% Kiss Shot, then Alucard probably.

'oddities' only really exist in the monogatari universe, so Alucard should be immune to the oddity killer.

Meanwhile Alucard has his vampire killing guns and a million lives to lose before he can even die.

Having Schrodinger abilities just makes it overkill.

Honestly Kiss Shot is overrated as fuck. she's physically strong, but against supernatural enemies she's pretty mediocre out of universe

I've never read any Nasu, but Arcueid's typemoon wiki page doesn't really paint her as much of a threat to Alucard either. Can anyone give me reasons why she should even be a threat?
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>>133707987
>being a complete fucking retard
Arc dies if the Earth blows up. She's anything but omnipotent.

Just the fact that she was once at 30% power emphatically conflicts with the very essence of omnipotence you fucking retard.
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>>133707985
>as long as you keep fighting kiss shot she'll live since the only way to kill her is to stop believing she's even there
I feel like that's a shitty weakness since if anyone hit her with a massive enough attack they're naturally going to believe "there's no way she could be there after that attack"

Also, she technically needs humans to continue to exist so that's a pretty glaring weakness once you get to Arc tier combat
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>>133707987
When you think nip writers could not go lower than DC writers, they do. Glad I jumped out of the TM badnwagon after Fate.
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>>133708043
>'oddities' only really exist in the monogatari universe
Nah, they're fundamentally similar to egregore concepts which exit in multiple series including Tasogare Otome x Amnesia and Monsuga
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>>133708043
Honestly, there's no good reason to put any vampire against Alucard
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>>133706198
Manga artist/writer versus harem writer versus fanfiction tier writer?
You have to be burger with burger education to take anything TM write seriously.
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>>133708111
Getting raped by human Shiki, getting BTFO by a body snatching edge vampire, getting BTFO by nobody Nero. Fuck, even Shirou could beat the shit out of her.
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>>133708022
Yes but D can beat pretty much anyone so it isn't fun to bring him up.
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arcuied is god
alucard is for edgy shit heads
kisshot no TV ANIME or MOVIE
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>>133708191
Why does /a/ keep telling me these Heavens Feel movies are going to be amazing?
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>>133708135
No good reason to put any character against Alucard
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>>133708111
>she can will things in and out of existence
Well that would be a real slugger against non-Schrodinger Alucard

>>133708133
But it's never implied that Alucard exists egregorially. In fact, he seemed to survive a hundred years with no one at all remembering him

>>133708135
Well Alucard hardly counts as a vampire himself
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>>133708261
Demonbane, Myuugi, Eve, Hajun, LoN, Featherine and Ajimu all shit on D.
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>>133708298
Because reddit won´t be watching it till some months later. The release window and it getting subbed is the only brief time to enjoy something that will become popular for edgy teens. Can´t have that.

But really, is the best out of Fate VN, but being the best garbage is not really a feat worthy of praise.
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>>133708043
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Arcueid_Brunestud
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>>133708345
>using a meme chart
I said pretty much anyone anyway. I never stated D is the strongest.
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A new challenger appears!
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>>133708396
We officially fanfic now.
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>>133706198
Alucard is the only character there that have interesting writing, the rest are chunnishit.
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Strongest vampire coming through.
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>>133708345
I just noticed Evangeline McDowell is higher than both Alucard and Kiss Shot.

Can an Akamatsu Vampire really be this stronk?
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>>133708345
Where is onii-sama?
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>>133706198
I like Kiss-shot way more then the other two but she's no match for either of them so I don't really get why she's here.
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>>133708043
People just get carried away when it comes to Kissshot. Yes she's broken as hell in the Monogatariverse, but Monogatariverse has weird power levels that don't translate very well into comparisons.

Does Alucard have much going for him aside from survivability? Sure he's immortal to the Nth degree but to my knowledge he doesn't have any particularly good feats of strength.
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>>133706198
Easily Arcueid.

I read and watched Hellsing. Everyone in the manga knew exactly how to kill Alucard. They just didn't have the ability to do it. Fucking Tohno Shiki can kill Alucard ffs.
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>>133708043
>Having Schrodinger abilities just makes it overkill.
Schrodinger Alucard was a weaksauce that got his ass almost beat by granny Integra because all he had left was Schrodinger.
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>>133708538
>hellsing
>not chuuni
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>>133708940
Miyuki pls go and stay go
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>>133709092
Alucard is overrated garbage more than any other character in the thread. Both kissshot and arceuid have more offensive capability in a stern look than Alucard has demonstrated in his entire existence.
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>>133708940
That chart is really outdated.
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>not knowing what true strength is
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>>133708940
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>>133706198
I only read Tsukihime and she didn't seem that powerful. I don't know what Alucard is like much but he has a really powerful gun? That's it. I watched a little of monogatari but the characters were shit and the story was shit so I stopped.

In a fight between the 3 I would go with the closest japanese teenager beating all of them.
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>>133709395
Where's the Primal Monitor?
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Most likely Arcueid.
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>>133708249
Arcueid got "raped by a human," because without Shiki's Mystic Eyes, she wouldn't even need to bother dodging his attacks, so she didn't. Another way of putting it is that she came back from an attack that's supposed to function as an insta-kill, and does in just about everything else. Everything that occurred after that was Arcueid fighting 800+ year old vampires (one of which, per Word of God, due to Soils of Genesis, would require a continent-busting attack to destroy) at less than 30% of her power (70% to suppress her bloodlust) after literally stitching her body back together with duct tape.

Gaia gives Arcueid as much power as she needs to have to defeat whatever opponent she's facing, making her among the most powerful beings in a universe crawling with heroes who can move at massively hypersonic speeds. Arcueid can drop the moon into the Earth and alter probability with the use of her Marble Phantasm, making otherwise impossible events occur at will.

Another note. Arcueid, at night, has been stated as being nigh immortal. Unlike just about everything else in universe, she does not possess any lines of death (everything has them, because everything eventually dies, and cutting along them allows MEoDP users to end the existence of something prematurely; Arcueid, at night, does not). Shiki attacked her during the day, and she still regenerated from it.

>>133707660
Did we ever get to see him turn this into an actual feat in the manga, unlike in the OVA, because the same could said for Schrodinger, who by the end is about as dead as you can get?

>>133708135
World of Darkness antediluvians, and Mandrake from the DC universe, would wreck him.
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>>133709092
Well aside from having impaled ten thousand men, having killed an army of a million, and having a special ability that lets him flood an entire city with death, he has that demon dog mode thing.

>>133709193
Alucard let Integra hit him because he didn't have the heart to stop her.

Also I don't remember him losing those souls
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>>133710533
He lost all those souls. The reason it took him years to come back was because he got completely fucked over by Schrodinger.
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>>133709336
Ippo forgot the basics already right?
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>>133706198
Post Schroe Arcardo is practically unkillable though Marble Phantasm might be able to put him in the ground, and Arcueid isn't an oddity and is even powered by the earth itself so Kiss-Shot can't use her anti-oddity sword on her. Arc wins.
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REICHERU ARUKAADO
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Alucard wins via sheer attrition. Arcueid can only exist for as long as the Earth does so once the planet dies, Alucard will remain as the last one standing.
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>>133712029
I dunno if Alucard actually "wins" in this case, though. I mean, it'd kinda suck to outlive literally every other living thing.
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>>133712096
As long as he stops recognizing his own existence he'll die. He dies when he wants to.
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>>133706198
Also, who is the best girl?
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>>133708249
>being this new
Secondaries please leave.
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>>133712029
Lurk more, newfag.

Arc is a union of the moon and earth.

Her life isn't just tied to the earth.

She is the only type that was born like this.
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>>133708043
>Honestly Kiss Shot is overrated as fuck. she's physically strong, but against supernatural enemies she's pretty mediocre out of universe

As expected of an underage Hellsingfag.

Kissshot was the top of the supernatural chain in her series. Even gods could not stand up to her.

Also, Kissshot breaks the laws of physics. She can create matter out of nothing.

Not only that but concepts like fate and destiny don't even apply to Kissshot due to being an oddity.

Meanwhile, Alucard gets affected by things like fate.

Out of the 3, Kissshot has the most freedom and actually succeeded in destroying the world.
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These anime sound super stupid
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>>133708073
Do you even Archetype Earth idiot? Some of the stuff AE does

-transfigure the world on a physical and conceptual level, this results in
1. making a world from 1000 years into the future where humanity is dead
2. making a world from her dreams where she can fight even as a disembodied entity
-Her power can even affect humans and higher beings
1. Like make them immortal
2. Or affect them on a molecular level and turn them into things like dogs.
-She can drop people into rifts in space time
-She can fire energy giant beams even in space
-She can trap beings into another dimension and make them collapse along with them

And you are retardd if you think she is limited to planet level. The aforementioned dream dimension mentioned above, had several stars on it. Also, by powerscaling she can fight things like BB and Amaterasu, who are FTL and destroy create and destroy planets like nothing.
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Can a TMfag give me a rundown on what the other Types are like?
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>>133706198
Alucard fucks off then Arc kills Kiss
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>>133707447
Arc is literally created by the planet, she is more natural than any given life form.
Alcuard can't die and post-Schrodinger can just fuck off into pseudo existence
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>>133710172
>because the same could said for Schrodinger, who by the end is about as dead as you can get?
That's because he killed himself to drag Alucard away from reality and force him to forfeit most of his souls
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>>133706198
How do you think Alucard would feel if he met Bern?
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>>133716749
Almost no one can beat Bernkastel so it doesn't matter.
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>>133706198
Kissshot because I'm a huge Niso cocksucker and becasue she is canonically the strongest vampire.
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>>133707937
>I don't think you quite grasp the concept of Schrodinger's cat.

and once the box is removed just as how space is removed from alucard what happens? oh yes, we get the answer to the paradox, it's either he lives or he dies, and can kisshot do that? yes in her prime.
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Almost 100 posts. It's a wonder Demonbanefags and Featherinefags haven't invaded this thread.
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>>133716803
You called?
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>>133706198
Man Arcueid is pinning hard.
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>>133716749
Turn to a man greater than himself for assistance.
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Krul > *
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Ajimu casually defeats everyone else in this thread
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>>133716924
No limits fallacy The Character.
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But I thought that was Yukari
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>Alucard can only be defeated by a human
/thread
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>>133717134
*cuts Alucard into 1000 pieces*

psssh.... nothin personnel kidd
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>>133707447
Arc is closer to that black thing in Onimonogatari

so

Alucard and Arc are tied depending on the situation. Alucard is much superior version of NVsqr Chaos and even arc said she would have problems on her normal state.

Blood arc on the other hand is unfair but I feel alucard would survive somehow..
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>>133706198
Alucard

>inb4 20 arcfags
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>>133717352
>Alucard is much superior version of NVsqr Chaos

No, not even close. Nrvnqsr has the durability of a continent, or a world due to Chaos being a world that fuses heaven and earth.

Even then Archetype Earth would kill Nrvnqsr easily. And Arc can become Archetype Earth whenever she wants at any time, the only reason she doesn't is because AE would try to destroy the planet, but after her route that's not a problem anymore.
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>>133716539
>someone whose power originates from a planet can fight on par with characters who are far above planet level

Is it just me or is this completely retarded, did they ever try to justify it by saying the Earth is special in some way.
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>>133716749
Still beaten by an edgy teenager
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>>133717554
Ultimate One is an authority, and authorities don't care about rules, they in fact don't follow any rule and completely disregard common sense.

Authority [Miracle]
Special abilities categorically different from Codecasts, skills, and Noble Phantasms.
Powers on the level of event shifting, time-flow manipulation, kingdom-building, basically, world construction, are called by this name.
They had been around in the age called the age of gods, more than 6000 years ago, but ever since the beginning of the AD calendar, they were relieved of their duty with the advance of human civilization and retired to the past.
A normal skill “is able to accomplish a certain task by following a corresponding principle”, but an authority works “simply by making things happen because one has that right”.
Divine spirit Servants should have this, but using this power in the modern age requires a bit of a penalty (self-ruin).
In CCC, the being that swallowed the Moon Cell had reached this realm.
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>>133717818
Ok but you didn't answer my question.

Is the Earth special or can all planets do this.
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>>133717960
We don't know anything about the other planets besides the fact they have one strongest being and alien physics different from Earth's. There is little ground for comparison.
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Yukarin beats all 3
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>>133718579
By feats and statements she isn't that strong. And taking ill-defined reality warping powers at face value with their implications Arc is about as powerful if not even more so.
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>>133720180
That desu senpai.
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>>133717352
Alucard is a problem because he is unkillable. However, he is also an absolute push-over as far as actual destructive powers are concerned. Arc can't kill him, but neither can he harm her.
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>alucard alucard

all this dick sucking, what's he gonna do aside from his immortality again? oh wait, none. he's the weakest of the three, the other two wills that he dies, he will die.
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>>133720916
Alucard with Schrodinger would probably be unkillable even for Arc. Normal Alucard which is stronger than Schrondinger in everything else besides immortality though, would get wrecked against any version of Arc.
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>>133717554
>Is it just me or is this completely retarded, did they ever try to justify it by saying the Earth is special in some way.
It's not special. Every planet in the Nasuverse is essentially a sentient being with a Reality Marble covering it. Types are the Ultimate Ones of the planets and thus have authority over their respective Reality Marbles. This essentially means that as long as they are on their home planets, their authority makes them nigh-omnipotent.
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>>133717159
>psssh.... nothin personnel kidd
>personnel
>kidd

Oh god here go
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>>133706198
Basic rundown:
Kiss Shot: unlimited regen, can only be killed either by being consumed by another vampire or killing every single last human in the world, highest physical abilities.

Alucard: omnipresent, unkillable, weakest as far as offensive power is concerned

Arcueid: high regen, physical stats scale according to the opponent, Ultimate One Authority makes her nigh-omnipotent as long as she is on Earth.

In essence, it'd be an eternal stand-still since even if Arc wipes out humanity to get rid of Kiss Shot, she has no way to deal with Alucard and the opposite is true.
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>>133721372
Arcueid as Archetype Earth can suck Kiss Shot's blood. She has no problem with bloodlust as opposed toher normal form.

Alucard might be unkillable. What kind of power in fiction would be required to take out Alucard?
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>>133706198
Dio would win
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>>133721112
None of the Types besides Type Moon have ever displayed intelligence though. They are more like animals or machines following a single directive.
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>>133721372
Underrated post
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>>133721372

I can live with this. Outside of new author plot hax this seems right.
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>>133721744
Not really? Crimson Moon Brunestud and Type Venus both displayed human-tier intelligence once they bothered to actually communicate.

Other Types act are more like Lovercraftian abominations, alien both in body and mind, but nothing says that they are not sentient.
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>>133722081
I already mentioned Crimson Moon in my post. Type Venus though, she is a special case since her parasitic ailities allowed her to absorb the capacities of the Liners living there.
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>>133710172
I remember in Arcueid's route that in her weakened 30% or whatever state, she was being handled easily by Nrvnqsr. This was at night time, and I don't remember any mention of Gaia there.
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>>133721372
you forgot to mention that if alucard and arc sees kisshot and they believe she is a vamp kisshot will still exist, but still it's a stand-still. I agree.
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>>133722528
>kisshot will still exist even if humanity is wiped off.

fixed.
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>>133722528
At this point they all might as well just start fucking, or have a nice cup of tea.
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>>133722355
Arcueid isn't at 30% in Tsukihime. Her default state after drinking Roa's blood is 30%, but regenerating after being killed by Shiki placed her at less than 10% for the entire route.

>she was being handled easily by Nrvnqsr
She wasn't. Nrvnqsr knew he couldn't fight her straight-on, so he zerg-rushed her with beasts (which she still easily razed) and then trapped her in Soil of Genesis, which she can't break without her full power due to it being continent-tier in durability.

>I don't remember any mention of Gaia there
Gaia only scales Arc's strength to be her opponent's level+1. Since Nrvqsr is generally physically weaker than her anyway (outside of durability and survivability) Gaia's support didn't really matter in that fight or help her break out of Soil of Genesis.
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>>133722355
>in her weakened 30%

No. In Tsukihime Arc's power was approaching negatives. She had used 80% of her power to revive and she needs to have 70% power at all times to supress her blood craving. She was compensating with her willpower and lifeforce. Ciel stated she was in so much pain that for a human it would be the equivalent of walking around with their lungs smashed.
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>>133722528
Arcueid has a number of ways to kill Kiss Shot. Like transmuting her into something else, drop her in a rift in space time, fling her to space or trap her in a dimension and destroy her along with space time itself. Granted she'll need her strongest form for that but as of AACC she can access that at will.
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>>133722679
Honestly with all of these threads going on they'll just stop giving a shit and have one big vampire orgy. Not even really any need to fight at this point.
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>>133707457
Neither can Alucard.
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>>133716798
>it's either he lives or he dies, and can kisshot do that?
This sentence immediately implies that you've missed the point of the cat. It's not about the the life of the cat, it's about the complete absurdity of quantum mechanics and how two possible states can exist in the same space and same time. And that's only in this special case, the abilities granted by being a quantum being completely fuck with reality on a macro scale.
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>>133706198
There is a Demonbane which is Alucard that can won against those three
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Isn't Alucard's nigh omnipresence nullified if he forgets his own existence? What exactly prevents Arcueid from using her mystic eyes to make him forget his existence?
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Every fucking time

It will always come down to a unmovable force against a unstoppable object.
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>>133721083
I thought Alucard post-Schrodinger was the weakest state he's ever been in, having had to destroy all the parts of himself that were "infected" by the catboy.
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Arc > Alucard > Mr. Donut
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>>133707716
And Arc is stronger than Kiara who can kick planets around like soccer balls what's your point?
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>>133727367
>who can kick planets around like soccer balls
But did they actually?
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>>133716539
That's still not omnipotence you fucking idiot.
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Someone said Arc could beat SSG Goku in another Alucard vs Arc thread so wouldn't that mean Arc takes it easily?
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I honestly can't tell if waifufags are just making shit up about these characters half the time.
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>>133728369
Learn yourself:

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Arcueid_Brunestud
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Alucard
http://bakemonogatari.wikia.com/wiki/Shinobu_Oshino
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So we all agree Alucard wins in Schrodinger form?
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>>133730351
>>>/b/
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>>133730351
Read the thread. At the moment, >>133721372 is the best explanation, at least in my opinion.
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>>133728369

no the writing is actually just that poor
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>>133731755

It just strikes me as very ill defined though once you end up with a whole bunch of characters whose essential makeup is "this character is super uber and has all these macguffins that make them invincible expect for in this one particular theoretical instance maybe but even then its largely flavor text I haven't really committed to" stuff like all the popular Aniplex anime seem to subscribe to it's hard to agree on much. It just seems like a lot of plot convenience stuff
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>>133726474

Once you get to this level of conceptual bullshit its pretty much pointless and comes down to who people claim as waifus
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Alucard wins simply by outlasting the other two. For him, eternity may very well be a reality. The other two will die once the sun expands and consumes the solar system.
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>>133728369
I feel exactly the same. Most of the shit people write here like Arc being the earth and stronger than Superman sounds like fanfiction. And I have to tell myself that, for I can´t for the all that´s is sane accept that an educated writer wrote this garbage.
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Can Alucardfags come up with an argument that prevents Arcueid from screwing with his mind and making him forget his existence to get rid of his nigh-omnipresence? Granted she'll need knowledge about his power's weaknesses, but it seems viable.
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>>133732462
>The guy that have been raping, breaking and killing throughout centuries.
>Being raped by a naive dumb girl
tumblr landwhale have arrived.
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>>133732253
Problem with Nasu is that he established Arc as one of the most powerful characters in his works long ago. So even when he introduces new characters that operate on a cosmic scale, he also updates Arc's info so that she doesn't get left behind and remain as one of the strongest.
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>>133732462

Alucard doesn't care what a monster has to say
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accelerator
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>>133732144
Kissshot could time travel back to the past and kill Alucard's parents.
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>>133732530
Arc's Mystic Eyes are A rank under the Servant system, they would work on most Servants and DAA who don't have a very high mana pool. Being able to mind rape people doesn't give you resistance.
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>faggots actually start debating shit

Fuck that post lewds
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>>133727054
Indeed, people seem to overlook this. He has become completely immortal and exists by his own merit, but he's not strong anymore.
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>>133732253
Arc being one of the strongest beings around and also the effective Avatar of the planet is something that's been around from almost the start. It's just that Nasu never qualified what that means.
Really, this isn't really impressive when you consider that theoretically any Type is capable of Arc's bullshit, provided it's sapient enough to abuse its Authority.

>>133732566
None of the character really operate on a cosmic scale. While CCC upped the powerlevel by several notches, all of that loses meaning when you consider that everything happens within a virtual reality. It's like trying to compare normal people to those who have achieved mastery in the Matrix.
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>>133735972
>happens within a virtual reality

The Mooncell is more real than you'd think; its like an Aristotles Reality Marble. Even if it is a sea of electrons, it's still a world unto itself with all the weight that holds behind it. You can't call it fake any more than you would say Gaia is fake. Just because the world of Gaia is just one giant reality marble basically made by the planet itself. It was implied if you acquire near god-like powers inside the Moon Cell you can incarnate onto Earth and retain those powers. It's not a fake game, everything in there counts.
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>>133706198
Kiss Shot, bug those fags who didn't read the LN will say she is weak.

We need to wait until kizumonogatari is done.
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>>133736462
I've read Kizu. Buy Kiss Shot is nowhere near Arc's level of broken. Read the thread.
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>>133736462
You mean the novel in which she and Araragi punch each other to pieces at the football oval and achieve nothing until Ragi figures out that she wants to die and he needs to drain her?
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>>133736758
Shinobu can travel time. End of discussion.
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>>133737544
Yeah, I don't know why these TMfags find it so hard to grasp.

Arc cannot defeat time travelers.
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>>133737794
>>133737544
Time travel is the worst method you can use against Arc. Since Arc was far stronger hundreds of years ago, and if you travel back in time too much you'll end up facing Crimson Moon Brunestud.

So in essence you'll have to fight Arc anyway, twice.
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>>133738757
And by the way Aoko is confirmed to be a time traveler. Her chances are still no good against ARC.
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>>133738757
Not really because if you time travel back enough, Type Moon was still just a loner on the Moon and didn't make contact with Gaia yet.

If you convince Gaia to never engage in discussion with Type Moon, then Arc would never be created.
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>>133739243
>Kiss Shot convincing Gaia of anything

Shinobufags are desperate. Can you prove Kiss Shot can travel back over 6000 years ago? Since that was when CM came to Earth.

Never mind the fact that Arc has literally dozens of ways to kill Kiss Shot or incapacitate her before she does anything.
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>>133738757
You mean far stronger than this weakling?
She will still be inferior than Kiss Shot.
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>>133739243
That's notnreally a valid argument considering there are way too many factors to take into account.

Anyways, the prevent someone from being created argument is pointless considering the battle has to have Aec participate and that she has to die, which is not possible if she never existed.
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>>133706198
That's not Castlevania Alucard
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>>133739464
Great post my friend. By the way pic related is the Arc equivalent of a human wavings their arms around.
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New question

Alucard is an all-purpose adapter

Would Alucard with Kissshot as a familiar be stronger than Archetype Earth?
Would Alucard with 30% Arcueid (IE when she'd be incapable of really stopping him) be stronger than Kissshot

Post-Schroedinger Al can hypothetically take either any amount of damage or deflect any conceptual scrutiny, so how many alive or dead bites would it take to achieve victory? Heck, if he lands a single one on Arc he could probably snatch a huge percentage of her power immediately
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Reminder that Nono could easily defeat Arc.
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>>133740217
>Still thinking Alucard is hot shit

He is the weakest here, in physical stats and everything else. Weaker than Kiss Shot and certainly weaker than Arc. The best he can hope for is a stalemate.
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Couldnt arc just use her powers to return the planet at the state before alucard become omnipresent? i mean the guy is already a part of the planet by default having that power anyway.
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>>133741034
Yeah, she can change the world on a conceptual level. The world she made in Melty was from 1000 years in the future and it was a world where humanity had gone extinct despite that being a mere possibility and not a certainty. Thinking about that, making a world without humanity would kill Kiss Shot as well.
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Theoretically, Kiss-Shot could become stronger than Arc because she is powered by human belief.
As it is, Arc wipes the floor with her. Alucard post-Schrodinger can defeat neither but he can't be beaten either.
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>>133741326
About that...>>133741245
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>>133741245
Would that fall under True Magic, like the 5th, or is it Authority like gods have?
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>>133741627
Authority since it's the power to control the world.

>Powers on the level of event shifting, time-flow manipulation, kingdom-building, basically, world construction, are called by this name.
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So Kiss Shot wins
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>>133743970
No, Arc does >>133741245 and Kiss-shot dies, then Arc destroys Arcardo until he accepts death or somehow MP hax him away.
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Isn't Ryougi stronger than Arc?
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>>133746493
Ryougi is pretty much stronger than everyone, though.
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>>133746528
In terms of pure raw power I thought she was equal to Arc if not more so. But in terms of physical attributes no. Basically the only thing stopping Ryougi from becoming an absolute god is the fact that she's hampered by her being physically human.
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>>133716924
Them's fighting words right there. You're right though
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>>133746528
According to Nasu, Arcueid is higher than Ryougi on the powerlevel scale.
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