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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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>>133677958
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
You can feel sore tomorrow, or you can feel sorry tomorrow. You choose.
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>>133701142
Do you think Japanese is some kind of fucking game?
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RTK creates a strategy that revolved around trying to learn Japanese kanji without seeing them in context. Reading interesting and fun VNs make learning Japanese more fun and compelling, but memorising 1000+ kanji by themselves is not particularly fun or interactive.
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What jap music are you listening to this morning/evening, /djt/?
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You're a faggot, you're a piece of shit, and you can't learn Japanese.
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>>133701432
I know Hiragana, I know how to use chopsticks, bitch I'm ready to attend college in Japan
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>>133701264
True, yeah.
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>>133701328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovo7B_GFuuY
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>>133701651
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>>133701566
>attend college in Japan
Don't do that shit. Japs are awful at teaching languages. You'll get better lessons at your local community college
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もしもし
ペニスです
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>>133702402
もしもし
おチンチンだ
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>>133701685
mudslimes had a shit empire
they couldn't even conquer the french
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>>133702402
>>133702422
It's all right to be gay, but don't be so crude about it.
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knowing my slav language alongside english is making learning japanese a good bit easier
associating kanji sounds with real words in my language makes memorizing so much easier
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>>133702438
>implying all of islam was one empire
The Ottomans had an alliance with the French you fucking mong.
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>>133702501
they also conquered many Christian countries, fuck the turks/ottomans
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>>133702520
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Can I get a translation check on this please? I'm speaking specifically about the middle bubble.

Here's what my script says:
I-is this the part where you go “aaaah”...
!!
It isn't?!
And all I said was that these ones taste better!
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>>133702572
同じ皿に盛った料理に箸をつけるというのが
出来ているということの暗喩であった歴史の名残りだとおもうよ。おにいちゃん
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>>133702722

Oh, erm, context...

So, they're out on a date, and she's trying to play off that she thinks her omelet is more delicious than his as an excuse to feed him.
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>>133702572
Just small changes I'd do, otherwise seems fine
>It's not
>All I'm saying is these taste better
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>>133702910

Okay, so it shouldn't be a question then. I wanted to verify that.
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>>133702951
First bubble is the guy, the others are the girl so it's just the usual embarrased reaction from the girl. The ちゃうよ is worded kind of like a question, "it's not, you know?" type of way but it doesn't need to be translated as such
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>using subdekcks you can study multiple decks simultaneously

how did I not know this
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direction, side
ほう
Noun
彼は私の方を見ました。
He looked at me.

no but really what does this kanji mean?
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>>133703278
All kinda things depending on the context
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>>133702569
>kidnap russian/bosnian/serb woman and children
>raise them as their elite fighters
>centuries pass
>look at how white we are
>points to a descendant of a serb
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>>133701328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VaDrSi4zZg

I didn't like any of the Dog Days OPs or EDs, but it had some good insert songs.
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>>133701328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVlRztgBuFk
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>>133701328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdVCW40EFfo
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>直接的な救助は最低限で諦めて、一人でも多くの捜索を優先する
Eh? Kind of lost what it was saying at the end there
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>>133703500
>>133703636
More?
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>>133702572
>I-is this the part where you go “aaaah”
subject is wrong. Unfortunately it's not translatable, since the literal is something like
"Is...is this what they call 'ahhh'?"

>>133703873
>一人でも多く
Even one more = As many as possible
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>>133702809
Imouto wasn't asking for context, he just likes to comment on questions instead of asking them. Not to blame him because for the level of most questions here an explanation in Japanese wouldn't be too useful anyways.
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>>133704186
No fun.
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>>133704588
Being wrong is rarely fun.
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Lynetteの股をクンクンと嗅いだという夢を見た。目覚めなくていいのに、ずっと…
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>>133701651
This one is my favorite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUrucGfoH4
I even almost can sing it.
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I don't get Anki at all.
What does core2k/6k/10k mean for the Anki deck? Also, there are 3 sub decks for it-
Core 0k-10k
Core 06k
Core 10k-06k
What is with that? Would that not just be repeated cards?
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Deep
2 more choices to go. Please end soon
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>>133705874
First of all, that's you not getting the core decks, not anki
Second of all, just get Core2k/6k in the OP and you're fine.
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>>133705874
Just get the one in the guide. It's 6k words hence core6k.
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>>133705971
Shoulda read something tried and tested.
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>>133706090
I actually chose this one because it wasn't tried and tested. Even if I misinterpret a line it doesn't matter because the game isn't so hot anyway.

Well, there's about a 10% chance the game goes off the fucking rails right now and is hardcore pure linear political drama (it has the opportunity right now) but as it stands it's a bad game with a high vocab level that I don't mind stomping through, even if it's kinda boring.
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>>133706054
Downloading it now. And I mean the options for Anki. They are incomprehensible to me, even after reading the FAQ on their website.
>>133706085
Alright, so the 10k-6k deck is 6k-10 reversed?
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>>133706160
Unless you're a NEET you probably won't ever make it through all the well-liked titles, so you don't really have to worry about running out of things. I'd go for things by good authors that aren't considered to be one of the best things by that author (Damekoi over WA2, steampunk series starting with the early ones, kazoku keikaku over cross channel, etc) before turning to random new stuff.

But of course its also fun to read something while it's still being talked about.
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>>133706542
>Everytime something is popular it's because of the sex scenes instead the plot
wat
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>>133705971
I don't know about that VN, but I was doing something similar with Flyable Heart. I was getting close to the final choice and I thought it was almost over, but I was wrong. The last choice is only the end of the common route, since none of the character routes have choices. Just a word of warning that that technique isn't reliable, but it is certainly better than nothing.
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>>133706357
As it happens, Innocent Bullet is by the author who did Silverio Vendetta, Vermilion and Zero Infinity -Devil of Maxwell- so that's pretty much what I did. He's also working on Maggot Baits which I'm interested in.

The game isn't, like, awful random shit. The image I posted should be a good indication that it's not pure garbage and has some good lines. It's just kinda boring, due in no small part to my own ineptitude extending the whole experience. If I could knock this out in day or two I would doubtlessly like the game more than I do.
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>>133706578
I am pretty sure that this is similar to the game Shapeshifter, in that it has a common route full of story, and then at the end of that has branching routes that don't have anything to do with the main story. If it's like that then I won't worry, because it'll turn into easy mode moege that I can finish in a single session.
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私の日本語わ最高です
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Everyone enjoying the hell?
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>>133707278
>わ
Every time.
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>>133707353
>still feeling the need to point it out
Don't have many other things to feel superior about, eh?
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>>133707397
There is no need to be so upset about it anon.
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>>133707444
Just banter.
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>>133707335
Sure am senpai
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>>133702438

>americans got so butthurt over france not supporting them in iraq they centered on one specific example in french history that goes against their previous examples of being one of the most powerful and feared militaries in europe and went "lol surrender"
>the meme still hasn't died
>never sure if they're still just that butthurt, are just trolling or if they've actually raised a whole new generation of kids that unironically believe it with an education system too shit to teach them history, geography or science properly
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>>133707547
I am an American, and I have completely forgotten about the French not "helping" in Iraq, it never was a big deal as far as I know, and have not actually ever heard anyone mention that and I overhear a lot of redneck radio.
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>>133707605
Same, I don't know what the hell he's talking about. It wasn't really talked about at all few year later.
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>>133707690
Fuck edited sentence and didn't edit another part, a few years later*
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>>133707278
Does anyone have a link to the vocaroo?
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>>133707931
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0QEKKtaJfuu
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Conan got a nose bleed from this
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>>133707168
There, I made a more realistic version for you.
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>>133701328
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>tfw when compelling content
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What does the text say in the top middle here?
If you did RTK you'd know this
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>>133701328
SEB all day, everyday.
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>>133708283
>when when
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>>133708283
Yuri is forbidden love, anon.
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>誤
Right side is "mouth" over "heavens" on mobile anki, but "give" on desktop. What the fuck? Which one is correct?
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>>133708018
Fuck nosebleed scenes. That shit is disgusting.
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>>133708932
Chinese font bro
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>>133708932
Chinese font on mobile. Can fix with "Kanji fix" app, but you need superuser
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>>133708965
>>133709011
Fucking chinks ruining everything.
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>>133709062
痴漢
Stupid China
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>背に腹は変えられない
Why are there so many of these fuckers.
Your stomach does not change with your height?
Is it supposed to mean "Even tall men get hungry" or something?
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>>133709421
Look it up on gogen
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>>133709421
背に腹はかえられない
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こんにちはアノン様~
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>>133709524
How did this saying even become to mean that?
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>>133709697
If you google it is explained.
Even if you turn your back to defend against something, your organs will still be in the same place
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>>133709421
>hara=kega shitara yabai
>se=kega shite mo nantoka naru
>tashou no gisei wo harattemo daiji na mono wo mamorou to suru no i
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>>133709799
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When ordinal numbers (1st, 2nd, etc.) are translated, is it really "Dai-___?"
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>>133709839
Yes. For example, "dai katana" means "first sword".
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>>133709819
Don't shoot the messenger bro.
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>>133709880
I'll shoot your message, though.
Bang bang!
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>>133709799
>>133709880
>romaji
どうして、せんぱい
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>>133709922
I don't have IME installed at work and the jap wrote the answer in the same way I asked him the question.
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>>133709922
ローマ字使ってる時点で先輩じゃなくて後輩だろ
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>>133710023
>>133710022
If he's working in Japan he's probably your senpai. In any case, it's romaji so it's still easy to read :
腹 = 怪我したらやばい
背 = 怪我してもなんとかなる
多少の犠牲を払っても大事な物を守ろうとするのいい
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Deep...
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>>133710244
"In the bush" is an ideom. What a wonderful language.
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>>133710364
In the Grove, buddo
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>>133710364
藪蛇
藪から棒
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>>133709871

Thanks, but is a dash needed between "dai" and the number of your choosing, like "dai-ni (2nd)?"
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>>133710484
kek
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>>133710499
I was making a joke, dai katana means big katana.
Stop usin' romaji bud. Dashes? What? No no, Japanese doesn't function like that at all. 第二目. No dash.
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>>133708350
これは現代語だよ
江戸風の着色をしただけの偽物、江戸風味だよ。おにいちゃん
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>>133710644

I know there are no dashes in Japanese. I asked when romanizing translations of ordinal numbers, are dashes needed, as seen with this example:

Dai-San-Ji Sūpā Robotto Taisen Arufa: Shūen no Ginga e [第3次スーパーロボット大戦α 終焉の銀河へ (3rd Super Robot Wars Alpha: To the End of the Galaxy)]
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>>133710770
When it comes to romaji, you can do whatever the fuck you want because it's arbitrary as hell and no one gives a fuck.
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>this is the hardest english a foreigner could encounter
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>>133708350
>>133710743
ちなみに、書いてある現代文はこんな感じだよ。おにいちゃん

>カリカリで
>猫をあつめて
>遊ばせて
>(Now-Loading か New-Loading)にゅうろうでぃんぐで
>お礼の煮干し
落款:猫集
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>>133711266
I posted that to bully people but thank you.
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I need a way to improve my spoken Japanese, but the websites for language exchanges are kinda useless. No one replies my messages.
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>>133710786

Thanks
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>>133710484
藪の中は、特別な意味がある単語だから

藪蛇とも、藪から棒とも、まったく共通の意味はないよ。おにいちゃん
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>>133711886
Pay one to talk to you.
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>>133711886
Play an MMO popular in Japan, gid gud enough for endgame raiding, find static, talk to static members.
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>>133712225
>paying for a Japanese native to talk to you
Why not do the opposite?
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>>133712480
Because he wants to practice japanese, not for the native to practice english.
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>>133701132
Sup cunts.
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>>133711886
Have you tried hello talk?
I honestly get too many messages and just dont respond
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>study Japanese aggresively for 2 weeks
>know about 35-ish kanji so far
>know em really wrll
>must stop studying for a week, really busy week
>start studying again
>realise I forgot a lot of the kanjis I knew

I can't learn Japanese, can I?
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>>133712723
>35 kanji in 2 weeks
>aggresively
娼婦笑い.jpg
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>>133712723
Never ever ever stop studying. No matter how busy. Get into groove of studying 30 minutes MINIMUM a day, no matter what. This is not optional. You have to study every day. In the beginning kanji, grammar, and vocab will bleed through through your ears like water if you don't expose yourself to Japanese every single day. You have to study it EVERY day. You don't need to be aggressive (though 35 in 2 weeks isn't too aggressive). You need to be consistent. You're not going to learn Japanese in a month. Nor 3 months. Nor 6 months. Nor 12 months. You're going to be studying for YEARS. So get used to daily study, get used to daily accumulation. If you can drive that through your head, you can learn Japanese. If not, you'll keep taking breaks, keep forgetting stuff, make no progress, and give up. Don't let that happen. Fucking do the work. Study. Learn Japanese.
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>Meat and eggs
>Written as parent and child
What the fuck Japan?
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>>133712858
Even worse: their word for hat is 母子
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>>133712698
>not for the native to practice english.
That's not always true. One time a Japanese person from Lang-8 added me in Skype so that he can practice his English. His English practice were only like 2-3 sentences and then I asked to translate a few words into Japanese, but after that we ended up conversing in Japanese for 2 hours. lol
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ペペは好きですか?
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>>133713110
キモイし生臭そう
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>>133712715
I will try it, thanks.
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>>133713110
汚い蛙。
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>>133713019
>lol
Out.
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>>133712858
If you're talking about oyakodon it's egg and chicken, not meat. You know, the chicken is the parent and the egg is the child.
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What's the easiest way to find kanji characters? I would like to find 言帝, except combined into one, I checked jisho and was about to find 言 but not 帝.
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>>133714142

radical look up or google translate character recognition
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>>133714142
Use one of the OCR programs on the guide.
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>>133714142
>諦
これのことかな?おにいちゃん?
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In the first panel, 「したという事はだ」, what does the はだ mean here? I've seen it in a few other places and thought it was a typo the first time I encountered it. Googling it seems to make it come up as という事はだ or variations thereof, but no definitions. There are definitions for と言うことは (https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%A8%E8%A8%80%E3%81%86%E3%81%93%E3%81%A8%E3%81%AF-579244), but can it be used with だ directly after it like that?

オレの優しくていつも大事にしている妹は助けてくれないか?
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>>133715004
No idea but does japanese have copula inversion? i.e. "He is red" and "Red is he/him"
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>>133714826
「笑顔に見とれる」
「早々に諦める」
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>>133708033
I'm dying
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>>133715004
Why is that man bullying loli?
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>>133715127
Kira's a sick man.
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>>133715004
I've found some more examples that have just fucked with my head further:
>しかるに、私は死にたくは無い。という事は、だ・・・・
>紅白前にこの髪色にしたという事はだな!?
>という事はだな、あのブリスベン戦でのブーイング騒ぎは、決して無駄ではなかったという事だな。
I don't even know anymore.
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>>133715004
そういう質問をしているという事はだ
貴様ッ!!心のどこかで都合のいい女だと思っているな?
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>>133715590
お菓子あげる
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>>133715652
Why do these stores always sell at three times the normal price? At least in the malls they do, fuck them
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>ここで回れ右しといた方
>right about-face
What the hell is this supposed to mean, I don't get it
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>>133715765
Just turning 180 degrees
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>>133715845
I still don't get it.
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>>133715857
The opposite direction
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>>133715873
What does that mean in the image
opposite direction what
how is she doing it in the opposite direction
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>>133715908
方がいい is a phrase on its own. It happens to be used in the OP image too.
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>>133711266
妹よ

僕は現代語の理解に関してほとんど問題無いんだけど今でも草書の読解は苦戦してる。何かのコツでも教えてくれないかな。

単なる練習じゃなくてコツがあればの話だけど。
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馬鹿が拾った財布を売りに行って慈善事業者に寄付されたって?ドラマで食料を買うから援助金をください、それで銃を買うって話がある、俺は初めから銃を買うならデカいのがいいだろとブローニング重機関銃を送って逆ギレされた事が有る、なんでも一人で持って歩けないだろって言ってた、壁ごと撃ちぬけて便利だろと思ったのにジープぐらい警備会社なら用意できるだろ
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>>133715984
Oh okay, I didn't know that.
I still don't get what she means by 回れ右
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>>133716034
>KIds who don't have resistance should turn back now
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>>133716074
Oh shit, thanks.
Maybe I would've understood it if they used 子 instead of コ
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>>133716115
Don't worry, that kind of thing comes naturally as you read more.
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>>133715765
小学校の先生の運動会言葉で「ゴウレイ」ってやつなのかな。いろいろあるよ。おにいちゃん。

>気を付け
>休め
>前へ倣え
>右向け右
>左向け左
>回れ、右
>前へ、進め
>全体、止まれ
>全員、集合

あたしの小学校ではこんな感じの「ゴウレイ」があったよ。

>>133715996
あたしもおしえてほしい
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What happens if you miss a day in anki? I think I might have missed one because the day changes at 4am and I started studying really late
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>>133716289
You forget everything. I said, EVERYTHING. Even your name.

Poor thing.
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>>133716289
The reviews carry over
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>>133716029
デカイ方でも下手ならどうしょうもない。
サイズよりテクニックです。でもあなたの場合は新しい脳みそ買った方がいいかも。
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What is implied with the 僕に? She's referring to a 催眠術 kit that she ordered.
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>>133716390
So you have to do more work the next day if you miss one? So if you miss a week or something it'll stack a bunch of shit up for you?
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>>133715765
It means 'get back from where you came'. In other words, get the fuck out of here, you're got nothing to do here, etc...
The general translation (but my english is shit) would be:
From there, only hard ones allowed. If you can't stay in shape, you've got nothing to do here.
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>>133716449
I think she (he?) just put the subject at the end for emphasis (and you have to imagine a koma after 'ichikoro de'). More easily understood if read aloud.
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>>133716471
Yep.
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Why nearly all the Nihongonomori teachers do grammar lessons speaking in japanese? At least put some english subtitles jesus.
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>>133716567
Sure, but what's the implied verb? She's recalling it from an advertisement and I have very little experience with that style.
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>>133716599
No they don't. Look for the beginner ones..
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>>133716612
If I put the parts in the right order, I think it would be something like:
どんな人も僕にイチコロになる。
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>先生や女子生徒のみんなには悪いけど自分にとって彼女たちは余録みたいなものだ

Context is an eromanga. A national law passed, so all the women in this school have to submit to sex until they're pregnant. This line is the narration after a teacher gets happily gang banged by all her students, but I don't understand it. In the next scene the protagonist has sex with the student council president and says how she was the one he was always after.

>It is bad for the teachers and students, but to me/them(?) it is like a rumor.
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>>133716247
>前へ倣え
「に」じゃなくて「へ」ですか
なんか変じゃないかな
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>>133716752
Here are the pages. Text is in the lower left.
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>>133716660
But there is only one guy that speaks English and one girl that does the lessons in japanese but with english subtitles and they are both beginner level.I wish there was something similiar for intermediate learners.
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月曜日 IS GETSUYOUBI NOT FUCKING TSUKIYOBI WHICH MEANS MONDAY OK????
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>>133716784
発音は
>マエヘ、ヘー、ナラエ
だよ。もともとは多分、おそらく、軍隊用語だから、変でもゆるしてね。ごめんね
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>>133716837
おk
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>>133708283
Is the VN basically same as the anime?
I heard they added a new OC donut steel character.
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Is there any manga series like this where the MC is clearly in love with the girl and the struggle is found in trying to keep the girl chaste while still satisfying his passion for her?
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>>133716752
余録means gain, bonus. Maybe it means that for him they are special prizes or rewards. What does he say next? Because sometimes there are precisions in the other bubbles.
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>>133701328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A6pjelZ64w
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>>133716916
>like this
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>>133716916
気持ち悪い
お前は
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>>133716849
いや、別に怒ってないし
気になってただけです

>マエヘ、ヘー、ナラエ
まあ、これなら納得行ける
お返事ありがとうね

ちなみに、この号令があったらどうするんですか
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>>133716916
キモッ
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>>133716919
>余録means gain, bonus. Maybe it means that for him they are special prizes or rewards.

That makes sense, because on the next page the protagonist says "my real objective was to impregnate you, student council president!" He was the one that got the law implemented at this school in the first place. He wanted to fuck her, but all the other girls were a bonus.

Thanks, that helps a lot!
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>>133717053
Heh, where'd you buy that?
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>>133716863
Not him, but as far as I know it's set after the anime. I've wanted to play it, but knowing it will probably be some cheap fanservice and lowbrow humor that will never live up to the anime puts me off a bit.
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>>133716794

concerning my previous post there:
>>133716919
After I saw the pic and also found other nuances for this word, I have a possible other explication: as 'bonus',余禄 also implies 'something not necessary', they might also be simply 'worthless'. That would also explain the way he treats them, like cumdumps.
I wonder what one of the japanese people who sometimes come here would think it means.
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>>133716916
未満れんあい
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>>133717071
I'm working in Japan for a few months, so I got it at a local manga/porn shop.
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>>133717124
You lucky bastard.
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>>133716988
号令がかかったから、縦列隊列を取ります。
「直れ」の号令がかかるまで、とある指定の姿勢で静止します。
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>>133717053
Oh, OK. I now think it can at least be translated two different ways, but it being 'special prizes' or 'worthless bonuses', anyways it indeed means that she's the only one that counts for him.
That was interesting to analyze, thanks.
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>>133717188
そうですか
詳しい図式おつかれさん
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>>133716919
>余録means gain, bonus.
Are you sure? I can't find a Japanese or English definition that supports this.
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I've recently been doing 5-10 cards then doing something else like reading a VN or Manga then going back for the next cards. I think by doing this I've gotten better at retention rather than doing Anki for straight 30+ mins which feels like a fucking chore to get through.

What is your Anki routine, /djt/?
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>>133717384
Surely you can focus on anki for more than one minute at at ime
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>>133717384
I do it while watching trashy anime
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>馬鹿と鋏は使いよう
>Like blunt scissors, even idiots have uses

So I came across this idiom, but why is it は使いよう and not には or も or something? Isn't just は gramatically incorrect? Though it should have がある or something on the end too I suppose.
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>>133717379
Wait, nevermind, just found one on Weblio.

http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E4%BD%99%E9%8C%B2

Weird.
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>もし時間がないなら、明日でもいいよ。

What is the function of で in this sentence? Is it a contextual particle?
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>>133717474
でも
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>>133717496
Isn't でも normally used at the beginning of sentences?
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>>133717549
Okay I'm a retard who doesn't know much but I know from watching anime somehow that the second part means "Tomorrow is fine too". Sorry I couldn't put it in words more explicitly but I figured it would be a more substantial response than "read more".
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>>133717549
>映画でも見ようか.
Shall we see a movie or something?
>日曜にでもたずねてみます.
I'll go and see him, say, on Sunday.
>帰りにビールでもいかがですか.
How about (stopping for) a beer or something on the way home?


でも: 〔例示〕 …or something; say; for instance.
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>>133717453
There are a lot others, and this one with an english translation too by the way:
https://ja.glosbe.com/ja/en/%E4%BD%99%E7%A6%84

I have more difficulties to understand the reason for the 'rumor' translation. Maybe it means 'additional story/statement to an original one' (余計な記録?)... But in this case it doesn't work, anyways.
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Which 2ch boards do you guys frequent?
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>>133717549
It's だって that is often used at the beginning or sentences, and it has the same meaning as demo, even if it's a childish way of speaking. I think you might be mixing both.
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>>133717640
None.
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>>133717700
Why not?
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>>133717608
Ok, I got it now. I thought でも means "but", was not aware of its other meaning.
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>>133717664
でも is also used in the beginning of sentences to men 'but'.

>>133717608
It can also be used as 'even' in the sense of

>子供でもできるよ、そんなもん。
Even a kid could do that.
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>>133717622
It seems like there's a kanji mix-up going on here. 余禄 vs 余録, but both have the same reading. 余禄 means additional gain and 余録 means an unofficial record (「余得」に同じ、すなわち余分の利得) or rumor (正規の記録からもれた記録, according to goo.)

The problem is that the example the guy posted used 余録, which seems to only mean unofficial record/rumor. Although that weblio page also lists 余録 as meaning "意外の収入。或は利益。又は質屋のことを云ふ。", which is both written kind of old-fashioned and also listed as 隠語, which I don't quite know what that is other than the apparent meaning of secret lingo.

I have no idea at this point. By the way, are you a native speaker?
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>>133717814
Wait fuck, I messed that up. I meant to put "(「余得」に同じ、すなわち余分の利得) " after "additional gain".
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My anki retention has plummeted in the past few days. What's happening?
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>>133717852
バカになっている
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>>133717852
You are dying.
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>>133717852
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>>133717879
Everyone's dying, anon.
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>>133717874
>>133717879
>>133717911

I've gone from 35 new cards / day no problem to struggling with 10 / day.

Is this how it ends?
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>>133717728
I prefer the 2chan based parodies I can find in Pixiv novels. It's fun to see characters type stupid shit like on 2chan.
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>>133717939
steins;gate is great for that shit.
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>>133717931
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Why does my browser freeze up when I use rikai on /djt/, but using it on other sites are fine?
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>>133717807
Both are not a proper way to start a sentence, でも even far less than だって that on top of all is hard to use in the middle of one with the same meaning as でも.
It's only だってthat has that particular use nearly restricted to children who are trying to bargain.
Of course you can start with でも if you absolutely want to. But it's totally like starting your sentence with 'But'.
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>>133718127
Rikai wants you to stop shitposting.
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>>133717957
Fate/zero too.
Kotomine Fucking Kirei trolling everyone on 2chan.
YUETSU!
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>>133717814
No I'm not japanese, but the two words seem linked by the nuance of something 'added' to another, original one.
日本人でも紛らわしいかもしれませんね。
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>>133718132
>で‐も
>[接]《「それでも」の略》
>1. 前の事柄を一応肯定しながら、それがふつう結果として予想されるものに反する内容を導くときに用いる語。にもかかわらず。それでも。しかし。「がんばった。―負けた」「その時は風邪ぎみだった。―私は休まなかった」
>2. 前述の事柄に対して、その弁解・反論などをするときに用いる語。しかし。「試験に落ちました。―、勉強はしたんですよ」

>「がんばった。―負けた」
>「その時は風邪ぎみだった。―私は休まなかった」
>「試験に落ちました。―、勉強はしたんですよ」
>all example sentences on goo have it at the beginning
>DOJG says it goes exclusively at the beginning of sentences

How about you stop talking about things you don't know about?
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へいたい

what
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>>133701328
>tfw I've made 2 posts like this before
>the first one was totally ignored
>actually got told to fuck off the when I made another post some time later
>tfw open this thread and see this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJRJ_9Hrk74
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>>133718406
信じてみようと思ったけど、「でも」やっぱりどう見てもその教科書を作ったのは何処かのバカ外人に違いないし・・・
しかも、「だって」、半分の使い方しか説明してないし、もうやっぱり笑えてきたから無理だ。
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>>133718451
兵隊 troops
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>>133718406
I SAID it was possible, but you can also use both in the middle of sentences, which means that your book is incomplete.

>>133718652
Aha, oh wow, thank you. I couldn't have demonstrated it better.
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>>133718718
>>I SAID it was possible
You SAID it was a weird exception, when it's in fact the norm. I agree with you that the book is wrong in saying that it can only go at the beginning though.
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>>133718744
It's not a 'right' norm, not a thing to do without thinking about it just because you can.

Google 「でも だって 禁止」, you'll see why I'm so adamant.
15 years ago when I came to Japan, many japanese friends would warn me about that way of speaking that isn't well looked upon.
I just wanted to spare him that shame.
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>>133718677
No I tried to post some symbol that appears in windows IME when I type that but apparently 4chan doesn't support it
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http://vocaroo.com/?upload
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>>133719097
>Google 「でも だって 禁止」, you'll see why I'm so adamant.
That's just about avoiding using those words at all, it has nothing to do with which part of the sentence you place them in or any grammar rule. I seriously doubt people in Japan care much if you put your でもs in the beginning, middle or end of a period.
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>>133717474
Retarded scrub here, it's just saying circumstantially that tomorrow as well is fine. Don't read too much into it if you can't figure it out after a minute or two of thinking.
>>133719097
Those people are the same retarded pedants as would say to not split infinitives, or tell you to never end sentences in a preposition, to not even start to.
>>133719181
This.
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>>133719181
I've been working and living in Japan and with japanese people for 15 years and you're wrong.
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>>133719273
http://vocaroo.com/?upload
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>>133719273
Good for you, and you're stupid. This でも禁止 thing is a statement about your attitude and how its reflected on the language you use, it doesn't mean you should just avoid starting your sentence with でも at all times. You need to take the context into account.
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>>133719251
I've got no 'humility' lesson to take from a guy who barges into a conversation to insult people.
Fuck off.
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>>133719337
You're the problem though, not me.
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>>133719282
OK. What do you want me to say or maybe, read?
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>accidentally turned off reviews for one deck while fiddling with settings
>went 2-3 days without noticing
>switched them back on
>400+ reviews due for that deck alone
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>>133719287
I SAID
>It's only だってthat has that particular use nearly restricted to children who are trying to bargain.
You have the 'nearly' and you have the 'context'. Plus as I also explained it works for でもtoo.
My explanation was complete, grammar AND proper usage included.
Why are you explaining me things I already know and already explained?
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>>133718127
It's because you're using multicore firefox with quick reply and rikai. o idea why it breaks, but that's the reason.

>>133719355
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/パルス符号変調#.E3.82.B5.E3.83.B3.E3.83.97.E3.83.AA.E3.83.B3.E3.82.B0.E3.83.8E.E3.82.A4.E3.82.BA
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>>133719355
ご主人様の肉棒をおしゃぶりしてもよろしいでしょうか
それとも、わたくしのおしりまんこになさりますか
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>>133719359
I love this pic so fucking much.
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>>133719441
Because if I hadn't people who had read your posts would have come off thinking using でも at the beginning of sentences is wrong and not the normal way of using it.
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Why does Japan hate innovation so much?

Japan left to its own devices:
>make sword
>this looks pretty cool, let's just stick with this for the next millennia
>make website
>yeah, this works, lets just leave it like this

Japan with competition from Europe:
>make car
>this is good, but we can (have to) do better

Japan is clearly very good at making things, but it seems like the only time it can be bothered is when there's pressure to compete with gaijin. Otherwise it just sticks with whatever it first comes up with.
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>>133719533
They don't have Jews.
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>>133719533
They were wholly isolated for most of their history. Moreso than virtually any other modern first world nation.
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>>133719533
The concept of progress is a western invention.
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>>133719533
Innovation doesn't happen without a reason.
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>>133719592
I don't know about that. It seems to me like Europeans and Anglos are constantly tweaking things to make them better as though it were just the natural thing to do.

Maybe it's something bred into our mindsets from Europe basically being one big warzone for most of its history.
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>>133719533
>>this looks pretty cool, let's just stick with this for the next millennia
It's all they could actually make with the steel they had. The internal structure of a katana makes up for the absolute garbage quality of the iron used to make it.

They also couldn't make good enough armor to obsolete non-sword infantry weapons. So, yeah. There you go.

>>yeah, this works, lets just leave it like this

Blame the practical monopoly that cell phones have over japanese electronic consumer culture. And thank smartphones for bringing real, full scale, public web to handheld devices at an acceptable framerate so that this starts to change.
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>>133719533
Then why are all their imageboards still stuck in the 90s? Same thing for nico and a lot of other.
Do they simply know they can't compete against the white man?
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>>133719458
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0rA7IMovJLC

You know what? I hate you.
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最近どんな面白い作品をたのしんでるの?

私の場合にいつも通り字幕なしでアニメを見ているんだよ。
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>>133719533
Their culture is very collective, conservative, and deferrent to seniority.

Western culture is individualistic, liberal, and values challenging the system.
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>>133719864
これでなかなか楽しいんだけど最近DOIJGを買おうと思ってる
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>>133719862
君は先日のフランス人のヤリマンでしょ?
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>>133719862
Has anyone told you that you have a very fappable voice?
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>>133719925
あは、バレたか~
>>133719930
... well, yes.
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>>133719899
そんだけ読んでまだ文法がわからないのか?
かわいそうじゃのお
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>>133718652
作ったのは日本人だけど?
>しかも、「だって」、半分の使い方しか説明してないし、もうやっぱり笑えてきたから無理だ。
そのページは結局「だが」についての説明だし
「だって」やら「でも」やらほかの単語を完全に説明すてほしいなどちょっとは無理難題すぎるじゃない?
「だが」との違いを説明出来ればいいんだよ
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>>133720192
いや、漫画の文法のレベルがあまり高くないから。本は読めるけど今までつまらない本ばっかりをみつけて聞き取りの練習の他に文法を進歩しようと思ってるんだ

一年後この言語をアニメを楽に見れるレベルで卒業したいから
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>>133720192
失敬な奴
>>
Aside from "Taishō," can "大将," which is either four or five-star General be romanized as "Taishou?"
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>>133720338
...いや、 でも と だって は「」の中に書いた訳はただ文章の中の使い方を強調したかっただけだから、ね?
「だが」 とかの話し誰もしてないし。
言いたかったこと言えたから、あとは勝手に一人でやれ。あんたら人の説明もろくに読めてないし、もういいわ。
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>>133720806
Depending on the romanization scheme, yes. It could even be atioshu in oroamij.
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>>133720806
Yes? You just have to be consistent in your romanizations. It's either "hyouban no taishou" or "hyōban no taishō". Though you it's probably okay to leave words with an established romanized name untouched, e.g. "Tokyo de hyouban no taishou" and "Tokyo de hyōban no taishō".

Not sure why you would want to romanize a word like 大将 though.
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>>133720817
>あんたら人の説明もろくに読めてないし、もういいわ
自分に言え、それ
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>>133720921

Thanks, and as to why I leave romanizations for my stories, let's just say I do it to teach readers how they're spelled, if they're interested in Japanese.
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>>133720817
>言いたかったこと言えたから
やっぱり自演だったか
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>>133717608
question

Also the でも or ても on verbs mean something like "even if" right? Im sure that's a different thing involving て form. And for nouns and everything else its

>でも: 〔例示〕 …or something; say; for instance.
and
>>133717807 explantion's

Right? Making sure, because it's been bothering me lately. Especially the more I've been reading.
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>>133717852
You gotta do 100 Push-ups 100 sit-ups 100 squats 10 km running every single day!
only then will you improve
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>>133721245
Pushups hurt my sternum badly.
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>>133721041
Just a note, it's most common to use accent marks in works for a general audience because the "ou" form is misleading to people who aren't familiar with Japanese romanization conventions. They'll pronounce it like the ou in in "out" or "tour".
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>>133721266
I don't know of a single pleb for whom the "ou" convention is misleading.
>or "tour".
That's the correct sound, though.
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>>133721322
I don't know whether you got the English or the Japanese pronunciation wrong, but they're not the same. Case in point, the Japanese write tour as ツアー not トー.
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>>133721322
>>or "tour".
>That's the correct sound, though.
tʊə, it doesn't even have a phonetic o sound in there
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>>133721322
>tour
>That's the correct sound
No it fucking isn't. -おう as in 交番 is pronounced with the long "o" sound, as in "boat", but extended for two syllable lengths. That's why -おう, -おお, and -おー are phonetically (and often grammatically) interchangeable.
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仕合わせ
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>>133721522
http://vocaroo.com/?upload
Say "tour".
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>>133721522
It's good to add that the おう at the end of verbs like まとう and おそう is pronounced as it's written, with the u properly articulated.
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>>133721444
>>133721501
>>133721522
IPA(key): /tɔː(ɹ)/, /tʊə(ɹ)/
Fuck off, bigots.
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>>133721585
http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/media/english/uk_pron/t/tou/tour_/tour__gb_1.mp3
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>>133721547
what?
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>>133721627
>RP
Congratulations, your opinion on phonetics is of no value.
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>>133721627
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-language_vowel_changes_before_historic_/r/#Pour.E2.80.93poor_merger
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How the fuck does 多分 become たぶん?
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>>133721760
much chance
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>>133721760
Many chances.
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>>133721760
kanji compound words mostly consist of on-yomi only, take both onyomi
た+ぶん

Is this your first compound word or what?
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>>133721784
>>133721791
I mean the pronunciation. None of the listed readings add up to tabun.
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>>133721784
>>133721791
I never thought about this before. I figured it was ateji or something.
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>>133721817
Look at the yomi.

ブン
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>>133721817
Whats? 多's onyomi is た and 分's onyomi is ぶん.
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>>133721849
>>133721760
I guess he can't even read katakana
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>>133721849
>>133721856
>katakana
Ohhhhhh. I never learned that. I thought those were more Kanji but I couldn't find anything on them on the site.

>>133721804
>Is this your first compound word or what?
Yes
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>>133721888
Don't.
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>>133721817
Are you retarded or merely pretending?
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>>133721522
Tour rhymes with poor.
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Is there a male equivalent to the お嬢様 laugh?
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>>133721908
No, tour rhymes with sewer
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>>133721322
>Doesn't know of a single pleb for whom the "ou" convention is misleading.
>Is mislead by the "ou" convention.

>>133721599
The u sound isn't articulated. It's a continuation of the final sound of the preceding syllable, at least in standard dialect.
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>>133721898
Holy shit anon, what the fuck are you doing?
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>>133721898
>Ohhhhhh. I never learned that. I thought those were more Kanji but I couldn't find anything on them on the site.
ooooooooohhhhhhh boy
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>>133721935
Made me laugh. What kind of utter ponce rhymes tour with sewer? Take the cock out of your mouth, m8.
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>>133721898
>skipping katakana
What are you doing you double nigger.
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>>133721908
4chan was invented by America. GTFO
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>>133721937
>The u sound isn't articulated. It's a continuation of the final sound of the preceding syllable, at least in standard dialect.
It's generally not, but it is in verb endings. You say あ・ら・そ・う not あらそー.
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>>133721937
>>Doesn't know of a single pleb for whom the "ou" convention is misleading.
>romaji
>>Is mislead by the "ou" convention.
Nice awful dialect you have there.
>The u sound isn't articulated.
In "conservative" speech like singing the u at the end of a verb is always articulated, even if an o is before it.
>>133721970
ebig
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>>133721971
>>133721956
>>133721948
I thought katakana was only used for English words so I started core2k as soon as I finished hiragana
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>>133722017
There's just a convention in the west of writing chinese readings in katakana.
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>>133722017
Well go back and learn them not so you don't come off as a retard again in the future.
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>>133722048
For what purpose
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>>133722017
this is your brain on DJT folks
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>>133722061
Because they're foreign loanwords.
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>>133722017
Katakana is also used for stressed words, and in books to write the onyomi of kanji
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>>133722017
Well I got good news for you: your Japanese is about to take a massive step up in ability.
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>>133722061
To distinguish them from the kunyomi easily, since the latter get written in hiragana
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>>133722061
Because that makes it easier to differentiate between kun and on readings
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Just a little over 2 weeks until JLPT
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>>133721927
ぐひゃひゃひゃ
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>>133721991
>You say あ・ら・そ・う not あらそー.
you literally wrote the same thing twice, you fuck-nugget. う is totally interchangeable with ー, at least in katakana which is the only place you'd see it used like that. What you've done is like saying that cat is pronounced differently to caT.
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>>133722048
There's nothing western about it. Go to any online Japanese dictionary and it will be written the same way. onyomi in katakana and kunyomi in hiragana.
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>>133722173
Sshh, it's a beginner's lie
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>>133721898
>katakana
>I thought those were more Kanji
Holy shit this is a new one

at times like this I wish we still had that anon creating collages of all the dumb shit people say in DJT
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>>133722209
Thanks for the cute image cutie.
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>>133722167
no he's right, study more
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>>133722167
I don't think you're following me anon.

NORMALLY, when a you have an お followed by a う you pronounce it like an extended お, BUT there's an EXCEPTION in the case of verbs that end in おう like あらそう. In those cases you pronounced the う like an actual う.

I advice using your rikai to listen to the words 問う and 塔 so you can see the difference. Notice how the う on 問う is clearly pronounced while 塔 sounds the exact same as とお.
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>>133721991
You know that weird accent gaijin anime characters always have? One of the causes of that is over-articulation of ending vowel sounds. In Tokyo dialect, あらそう and あらそー are virtually indistinguishable unless the speaker is intentionally trying to sound pompous.

>>133722010
>In "conservative" speech like singing the u at the end of a verb is always articulated, even if an o is before it.
We're not talking about singing, and pronunciation while singing has no bearing on pronunciation during normal speech.
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>>133721651
I knew this word for years, before I even started learning Japanese. I learned to write it as 幸せ which is the normal way to do it, and for some reason I spent years without realizing its origin, which is made clear when you write it as 仕合わせ.
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>>133722248
No, he's a fuck-nugget, just like you.

Maybe you're mistaking inflection for a pronunciation difference?

>>133722289
Oh, you're just braindead.
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>>133722443
oh right
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>>133722425
Say what you want, but articulating おう verbs as an elongated お is the way that's the "wrong" way. The gaijin accent you refer to only has a problem of this kind in terms of overarticulating something that is already normally articulated.
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>>133722425
>In Tokyo dialect
In tokyo vernacular*

Which is not standard japanese by the way. You're also wrong: it's not an elongated お. You're hearing it wrong.
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>>133722443
I was about to call you a retard but I looked it up and that's actually where it came from.
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you fucks are having this big conversation and I still don't know how to pronounce half the sounds in the language
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>>133722512
>I was about to call you a retard even though I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about
DJT
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>>133722425
Over-articulation is a different matter altogether. Nobody says 問う the same way they do とお. Maybe you need to work on your ears to pick on the difference.
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>>133722515
らりるれろ troubles?
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>>133722515
t. anglo
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>>133722543
The fact that half of the place needed rtk to survive tells you all you need to know about it.
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>>133722599
Kill yourself
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>>133722615
t. anglo
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>>133722630
Kill yourself
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>>133722653
t. anglo
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>>133722584
No, it's

>double vowels (おお or いい)
>tiny y- (ゃ)
>tiny tsu (っ)
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>>133722507
>In tokyo vernacular*
Whatever

>>133722507
>Which is not standard japanese by the way.
For all intents and purposes it is. You're grasping here.

>>133722507
>Which is not standard japanese by the way. You're also wrong: it's not an elongated お. You're hearing it wrong.
In all likelihood I've been speaking Japanese for longer than you've been able to wipe your own ass, and I'm quite certain you're wrong. But there's no way to conclusively resolve this, so I'm not going to waste any more of my time on it.
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>>133722515
クンツァイト
just remember that a tsa exists, most places don't teach it
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>>133722663
Kill yourself
>>133722674
>For all intents and purposes it is.
No. Not even close. "Standard Japanese" is something very specific.
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>>133722671
Oh, and long vowels (おう) of course
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>>133722674
You're the French lady again? Can you get a trip please?
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>>133722671
>double vowels (おお or いい)
easy, just say it twice without closing your mouth
stop the airflow in the middle for very short time so you're starting the second one with a bit more emphasis
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>>133722671
Fucking anglos can't pronounce shit.
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>>133722753
This is a good way to practice it as an anglophile beginning learner, but it's important to keep in mind that it's different than the way natives talk. You'll pick up the correct way of pronouncing them just by doing listening practice, though.
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ITT: non-native non-linguist speaker thinks they understand discrete details about local vernaculars
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>>133722783
It's not their fault, I'd be hard pressed to pronounce shit if my language sounded either like I was trying to speak and eat my shoe at the same time or like I was a constipated caveman in a foul mood.
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>>133722783
>speakers of one language struggle to pronounce sounds from another language that their mother tongue doesn't possess

STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES, FRONT PAGE NEWS RIGHT HERE HOLY SHIT GUYS
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>>133722671
>double vowels
Sorry, you'll have to figure this out on your own.
>tiny y- (ゃ)
cute
[cu]te
きゅ
Assuming you have a somewhat typical english accent.
>tiny tsu (っ)
bookkeeper
bookっkeeper
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jisho is telling me 為せば成る is an expression that basically means "where there's a will, there's a way"

then what does 為さねばならぬ mean? it looks like the negative version of the same expression but what would that be?
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>>133722881
the weird part is, as your average native trying to help out a langauge learner you don't even consciously know all the sounds in your language

for example in german "ch" is pronounced differently in "ach" and "Ich" but if you asked people they'd all think it's just a ch-sound without thinking about it
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>>133722881
Calm down senpai. Have a burger
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>>133723006
If you won't, then you can't.
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>>133723006
>為せば成る i
If do, then become

>為さねばならぬ
It don't do, then don't become

Can you figure it out from there?
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>>133722671
>tiny tsu (っ)
abruptly cuts off the syllable before it
ワンッ! is a dog barking for example
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>>133723016
>"ch" is pronounced differently in "ach" and "Ich"
Don't know the terms but, the ach is more throaty and the ich is more palatal, right?
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>>133723006
Imagine the english phrase "you get out what you put in". Now think about these two phrases.
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>>133723089
Only at the end of a word.
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>>133723096
exactly
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>>133723016
ESLs tend to to know English better than us natives.

Fuck, I barely know the parts of speech beyond noun/verb/adjective, and I see ESLs talking about participles and conjunctions and tenses that would make schoolhouse rock blush
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>>133723022
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>>133701328
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaHw1lYbE7I
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>>133723254
That's because the terms for english grammar are taken from describing romance languages (french).
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>read things fine, even hardish VNs aren't that big of a deal
>come to DJT
>it's like every motherfucker on the planet is bringing the hardest stuff together
>stuff I've never seen before, located even in easy manga
>lose confidence
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>>133723677
Hi moog
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>>133722455
>mt stupid
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>google something
>this is the explanation
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>>133723747
Better than your dark fucking fuck pit.
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>>133723254
>Fuck, I barely know the parts of speech beyond noun/verb/adjective, and I see ESLs talking about participles and conjunctions and tenses that would make schoolhouse rock blush
This is nothing to do with ESLs being "better at English". We just don't need to know all the technical jargon because speaking English isn't something that we have to think about - we just do it naturally.

The reason ESLs know more technical grammar jargon than natives is because they had to learn it in order to be able to understand explanations of English grammar.
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>>133724030
Yeah. Back in 12th grade my teacher started talking about advanced grammar concepts and I just ignored them because I could still answer the questions just by FEELING. I was even afraid that by learning the names of concepts I'd thereafter struggle to use them.
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>>133723254
>>133724030
I don't know any grammar, I didn't study English in middle school
I just played final fantasy and learned it
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>>133724097
I see people saying they learned English from video games, but when I try to do that with Japanese as an adult it doesn't fucking work. I feel cheated.
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>>133724146
English is a rape baby of the other relevant European languages.
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>>133724146
You have to play a lot of video games.
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>>133724146
You gotta remember that English is closely related to a lot of European languages, and furthermore those in Europe are inundated with English media from a young age, they tend to have been exposed to it even in school. That level of exposure is completely different from you lazily skipping through dialogue in a hentai RPG for an hour or a half every day,
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>>133723930
Try talking to some actual Japanese people.
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>>133724196
Oh. So I should try learning, like. French from video games and it would work?

Too bad Europe has no compelling content.
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>>133724094
>I was even afraid that by learning the names of concepts I'd thereafter struggle to use them.
Believe me, this is true. The more I learn about english linguistics the more my autism projects itself onto my subconscious writing. If I don't go out of my way to make sure I'm writing something sensible, it turns into a senseless mess. Just look at this:

At store they had milk jugs on sale and I got some. But if I try drink milk it already turns sour.
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>>133723751
>「父母を殺す」という点は確かに心情のうえで引っかかりが大きいと思いますが、しかしこれも実際に殺すわけではありません(実際の「殺父母(=せつぶも)」は仏教ではもちろん大罪です)。言わんとするところは、法界一如の観点にたって血縁によって親・疎を分ける二項対立の生き方をやめよ、ということです。つまり、肉親を特別視することをやめ、父母から受けた恩愛を広く世界から受けたものと受けとめよ、という意味ですから、むしろ殺されるべきは自分の側の認識なのです。
Wow, that's deep
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>>133724263
>Too bad Europe has no compelling content.
Uncultured swine.
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>>133724263
>Oh. So I should try learning, like. French from video games and it would work?
Yeah, if you're 10 and play games in french every day for the next 5 years.
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>>133724294
the only good reading is philosophics desu
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>>133724310
this is true for german, lots of good books from 1800 and upwards, don't really know about french
I also quite enjoy mythology
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>>133724310
「無一物」
仏に逢えば仏を殺せ
祖に逢えば祖を殺せ
何物にも捕われず
縛られず
ただあるがままに己を生きる
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>曹洞宗の開祖である道元も、弟子から「出家は父母の供養をどのようにすべきか」と尋ねられた際、出家は父母からの恩を父母に限定せずに広く世間に返すことを心掛けるべきで、父母に限定した供養はするものでない、という意味の答えをしています。これなどは「父母を殺す」という臨済の言葉の意味をわかりやすく伝えるものだと思います。
How is it that Buddhism is just plain better than Christianity in every way? It seems to me that Christianity requires you to accept things without thinking "Thou shalt not kill - why? Honour thy father and thy mother - why?", to accept God as some sort of divine source of all truth and morality; whereas Buddhism just asks you to think and be rational. I genuinely struggle to understand why Christianity manages to hook so many people in with its bullshit when Buddhism is there and completely self contained, rational, and just a good way to live.
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>>133724413
what
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>>133724699
>I genuinely struggle to understand why Christianity manages to hook so many people in with its bullshit when Buddhism is there and completely self contained, rational, and just a good way to live.
I don't think many people get to choose their religion. They're taught the ones their parents were taught and just like that they blindly believe it.
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>>133724699
Buddhism, tao, and animism systems are all pretty chill.
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>>133724699
>I genuinely struggle to understand why Christianity manages to hook so many people in with its bullshit when Buddhism is there and completely self contained, rational, and just a good way to live.
For the exact reasons that you mentioned earlier.

思うのは面倒
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>>133701328
A classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C35DrtPlUbc
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>>133724783
I guess not being exposed to it, or researching this stuff, could lead to living in a bubble that's nigh inescapable. I wonder if there's a way to get people to read Buddhist thought without pushing them out of their comfort zone. Maybe slip it into popular fiction...
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>>133724699

Because Buddhism is too chill. People want order, rigidity, and strong moral codes. Buddhism doesn't provide any of that. The reason Buddhism was so big in Japan is because the stupid gooks like to mix and match any religions they get their hands on and thus like it when their doctrines say nothing.
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>>133724783
Yeah, I'd imagine 80% of it's just indoctrination. I was lucky my parents weren't religious and let me make my own choices as a kid but I can see how people are easily hooked into it.

Well, I actually did see how people are hooked into it since I lived in Southern Virginia.
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>>133724898
>mix and match any religions they get their hands on
This is literally what christianity is though
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>>133724929

Ebin post, /b/rother
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this is what happened the day I tried to actually progress through my mined deck
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>>133724956
It's not a coincidence that Jesus's birthday is celebrated during the winter solstice.
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>>133724956
No, seriously, it is
it's judaism + cult of personality + large set of pagan traditions + long series of mutations by scripture
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>>133724898
>People want order, rigidity, and strong moral codes.
Most Christians I know don't know jack shit about their religion except the bare minimum required to swear they love Jesus. I mean, the ten commandments say right there "thou shall not kill" and yet the military is revered as a thoroughly Christian organization in America. People snap for blood all the time. They don't want strong moral codes, clearly, because when it's convenient they drop them. Gluttony is a damn sin but see how far people went with that.

People WANT a chill religion. They have to, because they're bastardizing Christianity to be a chill religion when it's the opposite. So why not just cut out the dissonance and go to Buddhism?
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>>133725048
by scripture compilers*
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>>133724699
That's literally the opposite of what people want.

People want comfort, security, and simplicity. They want to know who is good and who is evil. They want an easy explanation for every bad thing that occurs. They want to accommodate new information only by filtering it through their existing worldview.

But I agree, Buddhism is actually really compelling content. The philosophy behind it is interesting stuff regardless of your personal religious beliefs, and it's very empowering in the methods it uses to convey them.
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>>133725064
>So why not just cut out the dissonance and go to Buddhism?
Because it's a viral religion. If you're a nonbeliever you will be shunned and sent to hell, etc.
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>>133725064
Isn't it a huge contradiction that the ten commandments forbid killing but at the same time God tells people to kill infidels in the Bible? I'm not a Christian so I don't know these things.
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>>133725118
It is indeed a huge contradiction, and is in fact a controversial question, usually the answer is that since God is divine, he can "break the rules" and it still be divine, so if God tells you to murder then it's given the seal of approval. To quote a Christian website I just read:
>The Christian men and women who serve their country with character, dignity, and honor can rest assured that the civic duty they perform is condoned and respected by our sovereign God.
Like I said: bullshit.
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>>133701328
https://youtu.be/pF88keNV9Hw
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>DJT: religious debates
>>>/his/
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I think that all religions are fine as long as the religious don’t be faggots about it
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>>133725286
Hey, I started my post with a long line of Japanese, and this is all relating to >>133723751
Can't understand Japanese without understanding it's culture!
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>>133724030
>The reason ESLs know more technical grammar jargon than natives is because they had to learn it in order to be able to understand explanations of English grammar.
Hahaha, no. I learned English from videogames. I know grammar jargon from studying my own language in school and applying it to English. If I see anything in English for which there isn't an equivalent in my language I'm lost cause I never touched English grammar in my life.
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>>133724699
Well hey, at least it isn't as shitty as Islam.
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>>133724030
Yeah I think most natives would develop their writing style and speech by imitating books and stuff.
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>>133724699
Speaking as a 3rd stage Fedora, Buddhism is probably the only religion that doesn't have being retarded as a core tenant.
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>>133725313
Then why are people talking about Christianity and biblical exegesis?
Anyway, is there someone that could help me wrap my head around this phrase?
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>>133725423
What about Tao? And I'm not talking modern or feudal tao. I'm talking the original, classical, pure texts.
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Now that kitsunekko is dead.
Where can I download Japanese subs?
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>>133725442
>Then why are people talking about Christianity and biblical exegesis?
Buddhism: Kill your parents*; treat all with love and respect, for your parents are no more deserving of it than anyone.
Christianity: Respect thy mother and father. Because I say so.
The difference is to stark not to bring up
*metaphorically

What are you referring to? 脱がされて is passive+causative so I imagine someone else is making them take off their clothes or some such.
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>>133725464
It's not, the guide just has an outdated link.
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F
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>>133725451
Actually, most of the Far Eastern religions and philosophies are pretty good.

Buddha, Confucius, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, all lived at relatively the same time and had relatively similar philosophies, but the West caught the cancer of Judeo-Christian religions and forgot for two thousand years or so.
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>>133725485
>the guide just has an outdated link
Not anymore.

Happy listening anon.
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>>133724699
How is the idea of feeding hungry ghosts and other dumb shit like that rational?
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>>133725558
Thanks waifu
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>>133725479
>What are you referring to? 脱がされて is passive+causative so I imagine someone else is making them take off their clothes or some such.
Thank you, now I understand.
Also, in Christianity the ten commandments are just an instance of the commandment of universal love Jesus gave in the last supper. I guess you must come from a protestant background, since no one else cares about the Old Testament
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>>133725572
>but many of the visible aspects of the ceremonies originate from Chinese folk religion
There you go.
But really, Buddhism is very very very metaphorical, even allegorical. I don't expect those people think they're actually feeding ghosts.
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>>133725572
Dude, we're one of the only countries who offer food for starving ghosts who come here from ALL AROUND THE WORLD. We're doing a public service yo
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>>133725587
You're welcome.

Though I'm married to the anon who maintains the guide...
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>>133725485
Thanks, man.
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>>133725229
>It is indeed a huge contradiction, and is in fact a controversial question, usually the answer is that since God is divine, he can "break the rules" and it still be divine, so if God tells you to murder then it's given the seal of approval.
That sounds like when we tried to make rules to our games when we were five years old. People really just don't give a fuck so long as they can rest their heads on their pillows at night thinking they're right/saved because they fear the Lord and love Jesus Christ I guess.
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>>133725619
>I can't answer this question
>therefore I'm going to make a up a whole bunch of things

Religion in a nutshell
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>>133725613
>since no one else cares about the Old Testament
As far as I can tell, no one cares about any of it anymore.
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>>133725619
I think you mean
Vatican-Pope-following > Traditional Buddhist Chillax > Animism (incl Shinto) > Tao, Autism, and other "feeling of the air" systems of thought > atheism/nontheism > Sikh > antitheism > Non-classist polytheisms (e.g. ancient greek, roman mythos) > agnosticism > Normal doctrinal monotheism incl. explicit faith in One True God > classist polytheisms (e.g. hindu) > Business religions like scientology > non-religion religions like scientism
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>>133725633
That's just your imaginary version that you think everyone shares. The rest would accept the idea of a deva slapping them on the bum while they're sleeping.
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>>133725840
It's expected that the bulk of followers misunderstand the concepts, but it's the small group that does understand who matter.

It's like judging the skill ceiling of gaijins learning Japanese by looking at /djt/.
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>>133725840
Eh, seeing what Christians did to Christianity I don't except Buddhism to be fully respected. Like, I earlier said that a lesson (of one buddhist) was to treat everyone with love and respect; obviously there are people born in Buddhist countries who follow to some degree Buddhism that are total douchebags to everyone.
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>>133725651
That much is fine.
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>>133725651
Is he a fat weeb?
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>>133726097
>4koma bullshit
>ever interesting
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>>133726097
That's why it's basically the only one that ever gets posted.
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>>133726057
Nope, he's tall and skinny as shit.

You can probably guess whether he's a weeb or not.

>>133726097
I told you it's boring as shit. I told you.
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>>133726097
Now that I think about it, how would you translate the zoi thing?
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>>133726166
>disliking 4koma as a whole and not individual works
あんた、よくバカだと言われるでしょう
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