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/a/ I finally finished Hoshi no Samidare, under your recommendation and I was hoping to have a discussion about it.

I'm legitimately feel a void in my life after reading it because I liked it so much.

Anime when anime never
Also is Spirit Circle just as good ?

[Spoiler]Also, Hanako a best
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>>133692635
>anime when


It'll never fucking happen just let it go
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I feel like people have been steadily forgetting the series with time unfortunately. I remember having been really invested in it. I really appreciated the themes of coming of age because I read them at a time where I was transitioning from college to university.
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i was mostly skeptical with regards to these two getting together but then this mini chapter sold me like fucking wildfire
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Spirit circle's pretty good, once the flashbacks start.
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>>133692635
my favorite manga of all time thus far. Did you like the epilogue? because honestly i did not really give a fuck about that shit.
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>>133692635

Read spirit circle and sengoku youko now.
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>>133692635
>>133692848
Pretty much this.

Spirit Circle's really great as well, check that out for sure.
I haven't read Sengoku Youk, but other anons will talk about it.
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Don't make an anime out of it.
The chances of it being artistically butchered are too high if the production value isn't grade A

kickstarter to give Mizukami Satoshi the money he'd make by selling it as an anime so he can focus more on his manga without entering mainstream mode
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>>133693320
The epilogue, as in after the 10 year time skip ? or the extra chapter? If you're referring to the former then yeah I did like it because it just tied up the whole story and clarified what the point of the manga was (becoming an adult) nicely. Altough i do agree it wasn't all that interesting, especially considering that basically every couple got together pretty conveniently.

I mean the manga was really focused all around so it's not really a legitimate criticism but it felt a little too easy.

And i'm currently reading the extra chapter as I type this. and it's pretty fun
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>>133692635
Go read sengoku youku.
It's pretty entertaining as well, bit slow but fucking amazing when shits going down.
I didn't read spirit circle yet, waiting for more chapters.
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>>133693445
I kind of agree, the great thing about Mizukami is that he creates stories that are very well structured with a start middle and end. It's blindingly obvious that he's not interested in the never ending format of serialization and that's why his works are so poignant, there is never a chapter that doesn't feel necessary.

And the popularity an anime would bring to him might pressure him to go out of that and draw out his tightly written stories. Which would be a massive shame
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>>133693637
Yeah I'll definitely do so, I'm just sad that neither are published in my country (Samidare is) and would really love to own them. Mizukami deserves all the recognition he can get abroad.
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it hurts to not own these, i don't care what the price is
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>>133693978
wanna have.
That anima is, how to say?
faptastisch?
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I really enjoyed it, too.
Every time I visit my local bookstore I see the translated volumes, right now I'm just waiting to find the first one to start my collection.
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>>133692635

I fucking love the way he draws (female) eyes.
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>>133692635
I do honestly hope that some of his newer manga get greenlit for anime, he deserves a lot more recognition. With that said it seems like the guy sells well on his own, because he's working on two long running series.
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>>133693978
snake > anima > princess
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I really enjoyed it. I've recommended it to my friends, but sadly only one of them actually tried reading it (he happened to love it, though, and read it from start to finish during his time between work shifts).
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>>133693094
>college to university
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>>133695137
>>133693094

Aren't those the same or is it some weird american thing confusing me here?
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>>133695102
i have the entire series owned,

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12551045

I'm listening to the Drama CD right now, it's so good everyone's voices are flawless. And if you know basic japanese and watched a lot of anime you can more or less follow easily.
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>>133693637
Do you have any particular recommendations for good English translations of Sengoku? I tried reading it a little while back, but the translations seemed to be done by a group whose first language wasn't English, as the grammar was pretty rough.

It's not a complete deal-breaker, but it does detract from my reading pleasure, a bit.
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>>133695752
Actually i don't remember.
It's a while since i read this series. Normaly i just read what was on batoto.
i have a vague memory of the translation getting better after the first dozen or so chapters, not sure if it was sengoku youku or another series though
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Spirit Circle starts meh but gets really good

I also prefer Sengoku Youko to Biscuit Hammer
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>>133693405
>>133692635
I wouldn't say it's as good as Spirit Circle or Hoshi no Samidare, but it is definitely
enjoyable so I would recommend it.
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>>133696284
this except the "starts meh" part

I mean the Aztec part was short but it got really vindicated in my mind.
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Just finished translating a new Mizukami oneshot, should I dump it here?
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>>133697791
please do
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>>133695137
>>133695234
In the UK you can go to a Sixth form (College) which takes up the final two years of your secondary education (Equivalent to US highschool) and then you go onto Uni.
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Alright, dumping.
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It's fucking ok, what the fuck is wrong with you weabs, it's like the most generic plot ever with the most generic characters with the most generic enemies.
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>>133693637
I honestly don't like Sengoku Youko much when Shinsuke isn't there.
He's a great character.

Spirit Circle is the best.
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lucifer and biscuit hammer is one of the most awesome manga ever
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Its overrated.

Not saying it's not great, because I loved it but it's not a masterpiece or anything. I also felt the ending was kind of weak.
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When was this story you're dumping printed?
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>>133698412
Early 2015 in Morning magazine.
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That's all. I need to look over a few things, then I'll put it on Batoto when I'm done.
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Spirit Circle is better than Samidare
Sengoku Youko is at the same level or lower with Samidare
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>>133698770
Only one chapter of this so far then?
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>>133698937

>>133697791
>Just finished translating a new Mizukami oneshot
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I was a fool to let my guard down when reading one of his works ;_;

>>133698937
Uploader-Anon said it was a oneshot.
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>>133692635
I hate the token fat shit head in Satoshi Mizukami stories
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>>133698982
>>133698992
Oh that's a shame, looked pretty interesting.
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>>133698770
>bottom left
Fortuna's brother
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>>133698770
Thanks for the translation, and the dump.
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>>133698770
this is like a really low key version of Homunculus
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>>133698770
Thanks.
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>>133698770
>what if everyone got their own beast knights
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>>133700148
Its more like people are wearing their souls atop their heads and only the MC can see/read them

The actions of the 'dwarves' are the true desires of their human hosts. Except for the old man with the tree, of course.

But I wouldn't be surprised if suddenly Animus and Anima are born among them.
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>>133698770
T'was great, thanks. Mega or mediafire maybe?
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Animus is really Fortuna isn't he
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>>133701138
forgot my pic
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>>133698573
>he knows
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>>133698770
I love Mizukami
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When I started Spirit Circle I told myself not to expect Biscuit Hammer levels of good, but Mizukami just completely shattered my expectations. The man is just knows how to put together a great story.
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Mizukami draws best girl material only.

>>133698770
Neat. Was looking around for raws of this when I saw it mentioned on his twitter feed but had no luck on that front. Did you get the magazine yourself or did he release a new anthology recently dump-anon?

>>133699319
Fuuta's dad.
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There's an interpretation that Samidare is a story about lovers suicide pact.

It really changes my look on it.
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>>133702136
Bought the magazine. Haven't heard anything about a new anthology, or even if he's made any other oneshots lately period.
Sorry for the delay by the way, had to go away from the computer with my files. I'll be back in a few hours, there are a few changes I want to make so I'll release it then.
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I never got this meme
I like Spirit Circle and Sengoku Youko though
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>>133702237
Well, it is, technically. Sami loved the world and wanted to take everyone down with her, and Yuuhi promised to help her.
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>>133702295
Elementary my dear anon.

Lots of other people came to like the series on their own after reading it and they in turn recommend it to more people leading to more threads where anons regret not having picked it up as it ran and thereby ceaselessly passing on the same memes to others.

It's basic memetics anon.
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I think Spirit Circle is the best Mizukami work, but Biscuit Hammer will always be my favorite.

It really helped pick me up when I was going through a rough time -- and I think a lot of people who like the series shared that feeling. It's not a masterpiece, but it was a good friend.
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This is my favorite manga. I've read other things that have objectively better art and storytelling, but something about it feels really endearing.
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>>133703174
I think of it as a manga equivalent to comfort food. It isn't experimental and doesn't push boundaries, it isn't going to be heaped with awards, but it is one of those things you can keep coming back to and reliably enjoying.
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>>133692635
I liked it. The ending seemed to be a tad too perfect though.
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>>133697979
Fuck off with the baits, m8.


This is one of my favorite authors and I must propagate it. No anime will do the series justice, unfortunately,

Op,
I vote for sengoku youko. Even with a protagonist change, the manga has over all a shit to of substance. Spirit circle is like a collection of one shots that is loosely tied together rather than a coming of age, and that's why I likr sengoku youko better.
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Sorry, I ended up being gone for much longer than I thought I would. Here's a DDL for the oneshot, uploading to Batoto now.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/lnoo57
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>>133710064
I tip my head dwarf to you good sir.
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Missed out on Samidare as it was being released, due to my shit taste, so it's nice tk finally get caught up with Sengoku Youko.

Now I can suffer the wait for each new chapter until the end.
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>>133692635
>there was supposed to be an anime made
>dispute between the publisher of a band that loved the manga and the studio sent it to the grave
>the money instead went towards Panty and Stocking
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>>133697929
New serie?
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>>133712038
Again, bullshit with no evidence whatsoever that seemed to have originated on /a/ itself.
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>>133711973
>Shit taste

don't worry everyone suffers from that.
just don't let it be in the way to enjoy stuff
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>>133692635
Mizukami is a god
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Wow, a Mizukami thread with minimal shitposting. HnS definitely has flaws, but it'll always be one of my favorites. You can really see how he develops as a mangaka over his works. Spirit circle is his most ambitious and cleanly written series so far. I could see it getting an anime, a little too late for HnS.
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>>133713671
>a little too late for HnS.
not really. If it gets a new edition, maybe it will have an anime.
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>>133698770
This was amazing.
Nice oneshot. Now i want more
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I really like his characters. His powers and abilities are a little weak excepting Airspace Control Babylon but otherwise his forte is definitely the way his characters come together naturally.

Wish he'd drop the shounen pretenses altogether and made a purely SoL series, but that's just me.
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>>133713671
I agree that Spirit Circle has the potential to get an anime. If it works anything like it did for Nihei with the Sidonia anime, however, anime producers might greenlight Mizukami's past works if a Spirit Circle anime sells well enough.

On an unrelated note, I need more Anima reactions. She's just such a funny character to me.
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>>133715460
Honestly, I like how he adds SoL elements into his shonen series. Helps make the actual plots feel more relateable. Most Shonen tend to focus strictly on the fights rather than the characters, so it's a nice breath of fresh air to see some that are more character driven.
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>>133715460
I'm more of a fan of the weird elements and settings he puts into his manga.

Samidare is probably the most SoL of his works but that's probably why it's my least favorite of it (still wouldn't disagree it's a masterpiece for no other reason than being a complete Mizukami fanboy).
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I'm still trying to think why Yayoi fell in love with Hyou although the manga explained it well.
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>>133692635
>Also is Spirit Circle just as good ?
It's much better.
Enjoy.
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>>133718290
>weird elements and settings he puts into his manga
It's not like you can't have SoL with that
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>>133715901
>Honestly, I like how he adds SoL elements into his shonen series.
Sengoku Youko is his only shonen. Biscuit Hammer and Spirit Circle are both seinen.
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>nobody seeding
fug
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>Thank you for carrying me up so high
>It's like I'm really a bird

Mizukami, why do you do this to me?
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>>133720095
I know they're both senien, but they both have shonen sounding set ups. Not that the actual content is shonen at all, but anybody who'd never read biscuit hammer or spirit circle would assume they're shonen if told the basic plot synopsis.
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I like how his manga shared the same universe rules with spirit dimensions, spirit body, reincarnation, mad scientists, and observational direction thingies.
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>>133693510
what extra chapter?
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mizukami is a gap moe author. the silly situations and reaction with the shonen action
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>>133726285
>>133715826
>>133701183
>>133698992
>>133698369
>>133697929
>>133693184
>>133692635
this guy should stop drawing stories.
well actually not, but he should only write stories so he has an excuse to draw more eyes.
Could fucking enjoy those hours just staring at the different eyes and reactions the characters make.
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>hear about Lucifer/Samidare for years but never get around to reading it
>find out from this thread that they're by the not only by the same author as Spirit Circle, but not as good

Well shit. At least I still have Fortuna's wild ride.
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>>133726444
arguable.
I think that while Spirit Circle is definitely showing this tight consistent writing that is somewhat rare in anime and manga, that i find really elevates it, HnS and Sengoku Youku are both fun well written reads.
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>>133692848
Fucking good
last thing i want is Satoshi turning into a casual shit fest
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>>133726444
imo

SC = better story
HnS = better characters, action, pantyshots

both are great
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>>133692635

One of the most overrated manga I ever read. Get some taste
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>>133726808
If HnS has better characters than Lafalle and Fortuna then picked the fuck up.
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I WANT ANIME
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>>133727396
I kinda want. And i kinda don't.
If it's a shitty adaption no.
If it's a fatastic adaption, yes.
but something in the middle i would also say, no.
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>>133728013
it will never happen
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>>133726808
Spirit Circle is just logically better written since he has more experience under his belt.
Also he probably enjoys it more because he can repeatedly indulge his fetish for beautifully orchestrated deaths.
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>>133726444
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shK4lb3YSR0
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>>133729893
Not enough rock.
To many spoilers.
Else i like it because i already read through the series.
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>>133730366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTYRrn1Q6j8
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>>133730583
I fucking love the music.
Not sure if to much spoilers or if i just imagine it because i know the story and characters.
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>>133698770
When did he do this oneshot?
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>>133698336
The ending was the best part of it though.
A perfectly executed climax
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Post more best knight.
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>>133732303
will do
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>>133732303
>best knight
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>>133732303
He's so best he even gets attacks named after him.
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>>133732625
>>133732629
>>133732697
Well geez anon, no need to samefag.
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>>133732796
>samefag
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Snake was the absolute best girl and I wish they had more of her. Golembro was also one of my favorite characters and I'm glad they got together.

Anima a shit
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>>133732303
but thats not crow
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Are his other works with the exception of Biscuit Hammer, Spirit Circle and Sengoku Youku worth reading?
Dont really see other people talking about it and as a tragedyfag i'm loving this guy's writing.
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>>133734165
People don't talk about 99% of manga so that's not a point to make.

Of course the other works are worth reading, just see the one shot in this trhead for example.
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Am I missing something with this? I tried reading it and got around 10 chapters in before quitting. Everything just felt scatterbrained and awkward.
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>>133734165
Everything else he makes is average.

There's a reason his other ones are only oneshots or haven't been translated fully.
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>>133734608
It's shit, people only like it because they self insert as the loser MC
It's just a bad long ass training arc
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>>133735227
>they self insert as the loser MC

I actually self-insert as the lizard.
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I bought vol. 1-2 back when it was released, and finally got 3-10 today at a Barnes and Noble. I'm excited to reread this physically, even if Seven Seas kinda sucks I'm glad they stuck it out and published all of it. They even said their profits were lower than projected because of its availability on Crunchy, but finished publishing it anyway. I hope more people buy it so we can get Sengoku Youko and Spirit Circle in print.
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>>133726444
I'd say it's good that Spirit Circle is better than Biscuit Hammer. It shows that he's improving as a creator.
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>>133734608
That's just his quirky style. It steadily gets better and then the ride turns into a rollercoaster after the halfway point.
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>>133698462
Wait, is that Sensei?
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Maybe back in the day when 4 cour flagships were the norm it could've worked.
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Reminder that master is animus reincarnated
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>>133742404
Three split cours. The story is structured nicely enough to be split into three parts. 1st ends at beast knights meet up, 2nd ends at Tarou being avenged and the last part deals with Maimektarion and Animus.
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>crunchyroll is doing Spirit Circle

Fiends.
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>>133726852
Agreed. Still good, but not great. Ending actually might be the most dumbass ending I've ever read.
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When people are talking about how they thought the ending was weak, are they talking about the final climax/battle or are they talking about the epilogue? I thought both were very fitting. A little rushed, but basically accomplished everything he wanted to do with the characters and story.
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>>133746094
I could understand someone not liking the epilogue, because best girl lost, princess gets healed, and a ton of random pairings that rely on content we don't see.

But that final battle followed by the REAL final battle followed by the epilogue battle between Lizard and Crow, that was fucking spectacular. The feint calling by crow that calls back to the first chapters and the farewell between the knights and the animals. It didn't leave anything out.
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>>133746206
For some reason, the part where Mu speaks always hits me really hard.
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For me it felt contrived. It seemed like it wanted to be clever and different at the end (which I think it did fine with for most of the manga), but it ended up lame and forced. To me, their actions just made 0 sense.
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>>133746525
>It seemed like it wanted to be clever and different at the end
Hmm, I can't say I got the same feeling. Instead it felt like he was just trying to tie up each and every last loose end. Sort of like he was dying, and wanted to pack everything in his mind into what was left so nothing would be taken to the grave.
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You guys give this guy too much praise.

Literally, only Spirit Circle could begin to be considered a great work.
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