Hey, /a/. Serious question: does watching hundreds of shows makes

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>>133685158
Shameless self-bump. I really want to know your opinions.

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It makes you realize that there is no such thing as good taste.
Watch anything you like and throw shit at everyone who watches something you dislike.

>>133685158
>good taste
That's an oxymoron you... moron.

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>>133685158
Taste is subjective.
Doesn't matter how much you watch there will always be someone who'll say you have bad taste.

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>>133685158
Being me makes you have good taste.

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>>133686290
But anon, does that just mean that you'll be inclined to some genres more than others? I don't believe that all shows are made equal and taste, to an extent, relates to a show's quality. Certainly a superiorly discerning human being is able to figure out what shows are good and what shows are not within a certain genre. There are a number of qualities one can evaluate in order to objectively figure the overall value of any given show, be it voice acting, animation, story, etc. And while I would concede that some of these attributes are more subjective than others, one should not discard the whole idea in favour of that very solipsist notion that we're somehow the masters of taste.

I don't want to say anything too controversial that might derail the conversation, but I truly believe that to an extent taste is not such a subjective thing.

>>133686664
>But anon, does that just mean
*doesn't that just means

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>>133686664
Generally, people who says "everything is subjective" are just trying to justify their lack of reasoning and shit taste. Subjective conclusions can be drawn from objective observations, but, like you said, there is a spectrum between the two.

>I don't want to say anything too controversial
Where do you think you are?

>>133685158
J-list - kun why are you posting here get back to the ad space

>>133685158
It doesn't give you good taste but it can give you knowledge of the medium which you can then use to assert what is relatively good or bad.

>>133686664
I agree with you. There are certain criteria that can be judged objectively.
Maybe I made my statement too general.
>>133686949
>people who says "everything is subjective" are just trying to justify their lack of reasoning
also true

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>>133686949
Yeah, I completely agree. Even though I don't believe that there's a justifiable amount of autism that can accurately pin a number on any given show objectively and call it a day, to say that everything is subjective warrants at least the same ridicule we would reserve to that faggot who will go at lengths as to why that show is exactly a 7.78/10. If one loves a show, one has to be able to argue why that show is great in relation to other shows. And if it is only good because of subjective personal taste, one should have the clear mindedness to say why that is and to concede to it perhaps not being such a great show in comparison to others.

>Where do you think you are?
On the single most pissy board about bait derailing threads.

Question: Who do you anons feel has great taste and why?

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>>133687723
Anonymous has really good taste when his taste isn't shit.

>>133685158
You have to post on /a/ long enough and make sure you only like shows that /a/ likes.

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>>133688683
But if I post on /a/, then /a/ likes everything I like.

NOW I AM BECOME /a/, THE DESTROYER OF CATGIRLS

>>133688667
You were probably being sarcastic, anon, but a community can indeed have great taste. It is not something exclusive of the individual. But one's personal taste often clashes with the perceived taste of the majority. Unless you're on some niche hivemind kind of place, you're bound to disagree more often than not.

>>133688881
>DESTROYER OF CATGIRLS
Get off /a/.

>>133686142
Huh, it's like you actually watch anime

>>133685158
According to /a/ I have shit taste but I don't really care. I'm not really picky, I usually like almost anything except harem, ecchi and mecha. What is good taste anyway? Popular anime? Obscure anime? "Edgy" anime?

>>133690718
>I usually like almost anything except harem, ecchi
/a/'s right, you have shit taste.

>>133690718
Sometimes /a/ says things in opposites. It generally isn't a bad idea to dislike stuff like harem or ecchi, but there's always the notable exception. Still, if you're just a casual anime viewer, you can obviously expect getting shit from an enthusiasts' board. Please don't take this the wrong way, anon, but you should probably rethink if /a/ is the sort of place you should be in.

>>133690718
Taste is intrinsically shit. Non-shit taste would be a paradox that defies the laws of physics. The only way to avoid having shit taste is to impartially observe anime and talk about it with isolated objective facts.

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>>133690718
>What is good taste anyway? Popular anime? Obscure anime? "Edgy" anime?

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>>133690971
This... was unexpectedly profound.

>>133690718
>I usually like almost anything except (...) mecha.
No wonder people say you have shit taste.

>>133691158
Mecha isn't really that good these days but hating it does expose someone for only watching modern digital anime which indicates their opinions are worthless.

>>133685158
Does J-list mascot have a n-name ?

There is no "good taste", only "different taste". Deal with it.

>>133691519
I always get a laugh from subjectivist faggots like you. You probably think that modern art is great too. Enjoy your toilet expositions and fecal matter paintings.

>>133691519
MAL is that way, newfriend.

>>133691655
When it comes to taste it's true. Have you ever had someone compliment your taste because you like a show they hate? That's never happened ever since the beginning of time. When I realized this I realized taste is just a meme. All it means is 2 people think the same thing. I abandoned having taste at all, I've transcended the need.

>>133691655
>>133691705
Prove me wrong. You can't.

There is no good or bad taste, just shit taste and nothing else.

Be proud of your feces

>>133691822
>Have you ever had someone compliment your taste because you like a show they hate? That's never happened ever since the beginning of time.
I have seen that when a good explanation is given. Holding a certain view isn't good taste; explaining it is.

>>133691822
You make a decent point, anon, but I feel that you can always argue why something is good or not. If you simply enjoy something because of shit taste, that is perfectly fine, but if you can't tell why it's good, I doubt that you can say that it's some genre defining work or some other grandiose statement straight faced. I really feel that I'm missing something here, since my argument seems to be based on critical consensus or at least the opinion of the majority, when they sometimes can be wrong.

Still, good taste is the intersection between personal bias and objective anime quality.

>>133691837
>(you)

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>>133692125
>Explaining preferences
Oh my.
You'll say character's design is so creative and fresh, I'll say it is bizarre chuuni shit and nothing beats plain moe. You'll say plot about 4 girls having fun is shit, because it's too simple and cliched, I'll pee on you face for liking edgy snorefest that is trying to pretend to be "mature anime with mature themes for mature people like yourself". It is pointless, both of us just would fit in "objectiveness'' into out preferences.

>>133685158
"good taste" is a myth. Its all opinions. Granted a lot of opinions are shared, but that doesn't make them good.

>>133686142
This is true to an extent

You also get to see Sturgeon's law firsthand since most anime are, indeed, shit.

>>133692671
Using buzzwords without a deeper explanation is a good indicator of shit taste in itself.

>both of us just would fit in "objectiveness'' into out preferences
Then we would both be wrong because no objective measure is being used. Saying "plot holes make for a better story" would be universally laughed at, but that is based on accepted narrative structure, not a scientific formula.

>>133692671
Consider the Rebuild of Evangelion series:
>great animation
>fantastic soundtrack
>awesome battle scenes
>sub-par story

While not being a master piece, you could never objectively call this series shit. Only shit taste and the fan base sperging out could ever justify such an aggressive reaction to these films. This is a clear example of shit taste at work, specially said films have such great value poured onto it.

Also, if you're not fond of a genre, you could never clearly assess the quality of a show. You always compare like with like. I sure as hell can't enjoy harem shows, but those who can will tell you which ones as best and why. This is where the community part kicks in since some form of consensus is necessary.

The subjectivity meme has to stop. Some things are just bad, regardless of your personal enjoyment.

Good taste =/= liking objectively high quality anime
Taste is just your preference, so people who agree with you have good taste and people who disagree with you have shit taste. You have default shit taste until someone agrees with you though.

>>133692581
If you manage to assess what makes an anime good then you may have reached an objective understanding of your own taste. There's merit to that since you can then express something to others that's actually applicable whereas just saying, "this is good, I like it," doesn't mean jack shit to another person. Being able to do that should be considered a good thing. Does it mean the taste itself it good, though?

>>133691492
Why are you stutter typing, you faggot? You think you're cute or some shit? Well you aren't.

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>>133685158
Watching more anime makes you more knowledgeable about anime. A person who has seen, for example, a hundred different mecha shows will know more about mecha genre than a person who has only seen Aldnoah. This is basic common sense.

Being more knowledgeable about anime makes it more likely that you'll be able to tell the difference between what is bad and what is good, but it doesn't guarantee it, since a lot of it is partially subjective as well. There are probably people out there who have seen over a hundred mecha shows but still have terrible taste and love the peace princess character archetype. Some things just can't be fixed with education.

Though generally speaking, it's probably a good idea to ignore any opinions written by someone who has seen less than 200-300 anime. Sure, it's technically possible that they might know just what the hell are they talking about, but it's pretty damn unlikely.

>>133693297
>Good taste =/= liking objectively high quality anime
I don't agree. Surely we're not all robots and our personal taste varies wildly, but if you're not capable of at least appreciating high quality anime, you indeed have shit taste.

>>133693369
>Does it mean the taste itself it good, though?
Depends. If I'm already acquainted with said person's taste, I can take such a statement at face value. If it's a perfect stranger, though, such a recommendation does nothing for me. Communication is intrinsically connected to good taste, hence why some people are critics and most are just spectators.

>>133693369
>Does it mean the taste itself it good, though?
No, the explanation has to be assessed and that assessment itself has to be assessed. It is possible to have objective flaws in the explanation, such as "Naruto is great because he has blue hair," but only the stupidest people would say that. That is subjectively bad because it is superficial and objectively wrong because Naruto's hair is yellow.

Objectivity means something can be proven using evidence while subjectivity can only be supported using evidence. This doesn't make subjectivity bad, as the lack of objectivity doesn't mean all explanations are equal.

>>133693674
Exposure to media outside anime can be considered, too. Someone with formal schooling wouldn't know the context of anime, but would likely be credible in other aspects.

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>>133685158
Nah. At first it's as >>133693674 said. While you are watching your first 300 titles you are gaining knowledge about genres. Then you are starting gaining knowledge about yourself and your preferences. After that is your turning point. You either trying your hardest to find something without all that "cliches" all over again and after understanding they are rare and unavoidable start watching less and less, or you deal with them since they are what makes anime anime and start watching shows that might be not good but entertaining and appealing for you.
My taste becomes worse then when I had 500 shows. But I'm sure is having more fun than before.

>>133694211
My standards feel like they dropped quicker than that. There's probably only 30 or 40 TV shows worthwhile to a non-hobbyist but it's hard for me to see which ones because I'm too far gone.

I've seen about 200 shows to completion, another hundred or so at least one episode. This season I stopped watching anime for the most part, after several seasons straight of watching 7-10 shows. I have barely enjoyed myself since 2013; all of these shows I've been completing have been mediocre or shit and I only finished them out of the hope that they'd get better. I regret watching 90% of the anime I've watched the past couple years. Worse, every show I HAVE enjoyed, I enjoyed from episode one, so the three episode rule is total horseshit. I'd say you should complete maybe 150 shows, which you should enjoy at least a little bit, then start dropping anything that looks like shit from the first episode.

>>133685158
You are born with shit taste. You may improve it or not.

Except me, I was born with excellent taste.

>>133694606
Watch Osomatsu-san, anon.

>>133691492
Megumi