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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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>>133647683
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
There is no winning without hard work.
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>>133677558
Yes, just use Anki's save feature to do it.
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Reminder not to fall for the debian forum trick where someone intentionally incites a flame war in order to drag people with real answers out of the woodwork. If someone is flaming, don't tell them what's right.
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So jap penpal had this at the end of their message:
>また連絡して遅れ
The fuck is that 遅れ meant to mean there?
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>>133678044
late
or
something like that
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>tfw finally time to start reading today
I want Anki to hold my hand forever...
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>>133678028
What's the point of these threads if people aren't supposed to share their knowledge?
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>>133678092
Start mining and Anki will keep its finger in your arse a bit longer.
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>>133678099
There's a difference between asking for help and ruining the thread for hours in order to get help.
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>>133678028
Were you the guy yesterday arguing about some other guys' sentence not being complete? Because I wouldn't count that as what you said, since in that case, you'd actually be the instigator because the other guy was right.
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Some background, for the past nine years I've studied Chinese nearly daily. I live in Taiwan and have learned the language successfully -- passed all the tests, read books, use it more than English. I am very happy with this.

For years, I have been wanting to learn Japanese for my next language. I'm having a hard time getting into it without the "immersion factor." With Chinese, I have always had either a teacher/ChinesePod or Taiwan. For Japanese, I have the Genki textbook (got lucky finding that here) and some audio material. I really want to find a good learning podcast, like ChinesePod. (Japanese101, or whatever it is called, is really bad, imo.)

I am a bit desperate. I really want to learn this language, but I'm having a hard time getting started on my own. I'm seriously thinking about moving to Japan, but I'm not super excited about teaching English there. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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>>133678088

Yeah I know the meaning of 遅れる just not seeing how it makes any sense at the end of a message like that in that context.
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>>133678178
I know you're upset about some kind of argument that happened but I ensure you that I have had nothing to do with arguments here for months. Go away.
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>>133678044
また連絡しておくれ
Please contact me again
But then there is a typing error at the end, and おくれ became 遅れ from the verb 遅れる that means 'to be late'.
Typing errors occur sometimes because of the automatic change of hiragana to kanji.
I suppose your friend didn't realize he has made a mistake.
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>>133677988
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>>133678178
And even if the guy yesterday was right, saying stuff like "too late to change your question posting, not gonna help" is just asking for a flamy response in general. People shouldn't do that I think

>>133678204
>Go away.
Why?
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>>133678099
Ignore this guy, he has been stalking every person asking for help here for quite a long time now.
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>>133678120
People wouldn't resort to that tactic if they were able to get help normally.
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>>133678241
They would be able to get help normally if people were able to give help without getting involved in flame wars.
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>>133678236
Who?
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>>133678211

So it was just meant to be 送れる I guess then?
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ITT: people defend intentionally giving their own questions wrong responses to incite arguments on the topic
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>>133678120
They''re not ruining the thread, you are when you derail every conversation about japanese grammar/vocabulary these questions are about.
If you don't want to see people ask for help in a thread where people try to learn japanese, just don't come here.
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>>133678294
No he meant to put おくれ which would mean closest to please but not really.
お・御
くれ・下さる
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>>133678310
I want to see people getting help, not shitposting. There is a very, very big difference between the two. If you honestly think that starting arguments is the right way for someone go get help, you need mental help.
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What's with this font rendering? I don't have this problem on my Linux laptop or phone. Anyone know the cause of this problem?
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>>133678307
Isn't showing what you've done so far a good thing when asking questions? Then people can correct misconceptions.
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>>133678336
That's something completely different.
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>>133678335
Windows doesn't vertically anti-alias text that's not huge. It only does it horizontally.
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>>133678323

But what verb is おくれ based on if not 送る? Or are you saying it's お (honorific) + rude くれ? That'd be a bit weird.
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>>133678373
I don't get it. How would you fix it then?
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>>133678382
Fuck it i'm not going to bother explaining if you can't even understand verb formation.
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>>133678386
Install mactype, or don't.

It starts rendering properly at either 64 or 128 px large (don't remember which). If you just want things to look better, keep to the <=32px and >=128px font sizes.
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>>133678307
>giving their own questions wrong responses to incite arguments on the topic
What do you mean by this exactly?
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>>133678396

Ok senpai...
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>>133678403
When they samefag with an incorrect response to make people want to argue to prove their samefag post wrong.
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>>133678400
Thanks.
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Why would you learn japanese? Japanese doesn't even have a real passive case. It's a subhuman language.
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>>133678111
I'm gonna, but now my learning process is going to be much more antonymous which is kinda scary. It was nice and comfy when Anki just fed me a pre-made list of words to learn every day.
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>>133678421
>>133678434
Ah, the two worst methods of making angry nerds teach you by proving you wrong.
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>>133678396
It's just fucking お + くれ from くれる, they were right as that's what they seem to be saying at >>133678382 you fucking retard. It's just a polite set-phrase for a request. Don't try and teach others if you know shit all yourself.
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>>133678434
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>>133678294
No, it's the polite form you put at the end of a verb when you ask for a favor : ~くれ/~おくれ
There is no kanji for it, it's a coincidencde if he mistakenly chose the first kanji for the retranscription of the hiragana. I suppose he tried to do the automatic kanji re-transcription for the whole sentence after he wrote it only with hiragana, but didn't realize the end of the sentence had been partially re-transcripted too.
I often do that error too.
また来て遅れよ
And it does it for me too, by the way....
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>>133678434
But then what's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_verb_conjugation#Passive
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I thought Japanese was subhuman because they have a pathetic amount of sounds which means a stupid amount of homophones.
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>>133678467
You people are so incredibly retarded and pretend to know what you're talking about, it would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
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>>133678482
It has pitch like Finnish you subhuman retard.
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I warned you guys. I warned you guys about people intentionally being wrong.
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>>133678481
That's not a real passive case. Prove me wrong.
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>>133678497
>dat damage control
go back to the eikaiwa.
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>>133678434
Still better than shitty Mandarin. Japanese have made something decent from a big pile of chinese shit again.
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>>133678536
Not him, but it is a a non-peraphrastic verb form that results in the subject being the one to receive the action and the object being the agent of the action. Seems like a real passive to me.

>>133678566
What's wrong with Mandarin?
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>>133678434
Oh, the guy doesn't even know japanese's basics. That explains the insults. Always when the person feels inferior.
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>>133678536
お前の馬鹿さで苦しまれる。

There, suffering passive too.
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>>133678578
>What's wrong with Mandarin?
It's almost as bad as English.

SVO languages are the cancer of language.
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>>133678578
It sounds stupid, has retarded grammar and just looks like a long trail of liquefied shit when written.
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>>133678612
*slow clap*
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where do i sign up to join the shitposting
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>>133678662
I come back from my holiday during which all the threads were fun and helpful to this shit

Fuck you niggers
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>>133678662
I warned you guys. I warned you guys about it.
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>>133678684
You're the one who started it.
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>>133678680
*samefagging intensifies*
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>>133678662
>>133678680
>>133678684
>>133678705
>>133678719
Nice samefagging
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>>133678737
>>>133678662
>>>133678680
>>>133678684(You)
>>>133678705
>>>133678719
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Which does DJT prefer for Kanji, Hesisig or KD?
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>>133678739
KD because it's obvious in its retardation
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>>133678739
they're both shit

you should use my site www.learnjapaneseforfivethousanddollarrsflat.com it's WAY better
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>>133678479
I have the same problem with my IME, especially when I try to write my address. I wish I could input some words.
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>>133678739
KD

it is the best way I learned 7,000 kanji in 3 months using it
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>>133678767
It does it for me too especially when I end with よ
また来て遅れよ
Does this means that IME doesn't recognize that form?
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>>133678850
IME can be just horrible sometimes
機能も着たけど誰もいなかった
wtf.
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>>133678767
http://windows.microsoft.com/ja-jp/windows-8/ime-register-tool
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>>133678975
>windows 8
what a good goy
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I can't stop reading the novels on Pixiv. I didn't know there were so many ways to write porn.
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>>133679025
I only copy-pasted the first link on Google.
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>>133679034
>I didn't know there were so many ways to write porn.
There are tens of thousands of doujin ero manga and hundreds of thousands of doujin ero novels.

There are infinite ways to write porn.
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>>133679034
Any recommendations?
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>mfw chatted with a jap chick
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>>133679034
http://noc.syosetu.com/top/top/ has good stuff too.
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>>133679120
Thanks!
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It's called a carriageway

gott strafe burgerland
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>>133679159
>core6k calls a fireman's truck a fire engine
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>>133679084
It's not always porn, but the tag 腹筋崩壊 is my favorite. Especially when it's parodies of threads on 2chan.
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>>133679063
Unlimited porn works
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>>133679159
carpath m8
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>>133678481
>>133678566
>>133678608

For shame.
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>>133679184
>時計
>clock
>not wimbly-wombly bonger
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>>133679208
>>133679225
Funny because I still have that in my favorites:
Fate/money Zero
http://www.pixiv.net/novel/show.php?id=1756766
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>>133678479
そうですけどね、
”おくれ”はあまり使わないですよね
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>>133679354
そうですね、たしかアニメでしか聞いたことがなかったような~
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>>133678479
それでも、
”おくれ”のことはちょっと強いから、ちょっと無礼ですよね
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>>133679354
おっさんっぽいだね
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>>133679354
びみょうなにほんご

>チクる
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Submitted this paragraph this morning in my jap101 course. I don't care what my sensei thinks, i care about what you think about my shitty handwriting and grammar /djt/
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>>133679432
そうでしたか?なんか、高齢で尊敬にあたるようなキャラが使ってるとけっこう優しく聞こえるけど。。。
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>>133679427
”たしかに、アニメでしょうか聞いたことない”ですね
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>>133679482
hi evan
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>>133679482
First, be careful with the spell of skateboard
「スケートボード」

Maybe you should avoir to repeat so many times skateboard and longboard.
I don't understand what hiragana you wrote after tokidoki.
There are little errors here and there and I think you should try to join a few of these short sentences.
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>>133679482
Since when do we have an 18th month
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>>133679446
何を書いたか分かりません。
>>133679475
そうの言うことではないですけど。日本で住んでますのにアメリカ人ですよ。
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What the fuck does そう mean?

Jisho and my core2k deck give two different definitions and I don't understand either.
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>>133679482
>といます
といいます

>ときどきあがないです
What does this even mean?
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>>133679636
Is that そう
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>おくれ

どんな文脈でつかわれたかで、印象はかなり変わると思うよ。

>>133679586
チクるとは密告するの口語表現だよ

>>133679482
うまいとおもうよ。がんばったね。おにいちゃん

こまかいけど、日本語では、「スケボ」を使ってね。
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Are you gaijin-kun /djt/?
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>>133679579
It's in DD/MM/YYYY format
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>>133679482

By the way, I tried to correct a little and change the way you express a few things: (but I still don't know what you were trying to write after tokidoki)

毎日スケートボードを使います。たとえば学校や仕事にはスケートボードで行きます。とても楽しいです。
私が使ってるスケートボードは長い物で「ロングボード」といいます。私のは早いです。ときどき<?>がないけれど、私は元気で足も強いのはスケートボードのおかげです。
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>>133679560
Nope

>>133679570
How can i refer to what I'm talking about with having to repeat it? そのこは?
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>>133679667
this gave me cancer
>>>/tumblr/
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>>133679667
I chortled
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>>133679690
I just gave you a few hints here
>>133679677

With japanese you don't need to repeat the subject each time if you're speaking about the same thing.
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>>133679667
>not "Guns, Burgers, USA!"
>he's not wearing a flag shirt and Make America Great Again hat
>he isn't free
not accurate at all
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>>133679693
>>133679711
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>>133679667
>>133679768
It's in moments like that I'm glad I'm not American.
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>>133679768
But Japan is literally an American proxy state desu.
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>>133679768
Hells yeah, motherfucker.

The whole world belongs to America.
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>>133679642
>>133679677
looks like あぶない
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>>133679636
Nobody?

Am I just too dumb to learn Japanese?
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>>133679642
It's あぶな。
>>133679665
そうですか? おもしろい!ありがとうございました。
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>>133679768
it's funny because japs piss on the street more than murrikans

jap men hold their alcohol like a pregnant cambodian girl
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>>133679745
ありがとう! わかりました!
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>>133679845
It's such a common word that you'll pick it up from context eventually. Don't worry about it.
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>>133679690
I just understood that you wanted to write ときどき「あぶない」です。Maybe you should be careful with the way you write ふ。
And in that case, you get:
ときどき危ないけど、私は元気で足も強いのはスケートボードのおかげです。
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>>133679835
Yes, I just realized too:
>>133679897
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>trying to study while hopped up on pain meds that don't work
Never squirt water in your ear in an attempt to remove ear wax, /djt/. I'd rather be deaf than have this fucking infection.
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>>133679853
お前の顔こそが面白い
クソ野郎め
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Do japanese really think that of americans? That 4-koma is kinda stupid.
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>first lesson of Tae Kim
>34 fucking vocabulary words to learn

Fucking why
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>>133679482
The size of your kanji is all over the place
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>>133679904
I like this one
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>>133679845
>>133679651 already answered you
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>>133679665
「スケボ」ってスラングじゃなかったのか?先生の宿題だとちょっとまずいような気がする。。。
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>>133679960
I doubt it was made by an actual jap, probably a tumblr weeaboo.
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I wish core6k deck had 上手い near 上手, I never remember the reading when I see it with い.
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>>133679939
I was considering doing that until you told me not to. Thanks. What's the proper way to remove earwax?

Other than visiting a doctor. That's expensive.
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>>133679960
>why aren't you taking my bait, people?
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>>133679998
>。。。
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>>133680019
Jozui! Wait, that's stupid, it's Umai. Every single time.
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>>133680030
Ask your Mom.
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>>133680030
>That's expensive.
Dumb hobos like you don't deserve to be healthy,
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>>133680053
wwwwwwwwwwwww
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>>133680019
Core has うまい in hiragana only
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Where's a good place to find easy reading material?
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>>133680087
that's pretty stupid considering all the weird shit it has instead
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>>133679351


 ―――拝啓、バーサーカーが吠え、ライダーが走り回る今日この頃。第四時聖杯戦争に参加なさっておられる皆様方、如何お過ごしでしょうか?

 わたくし、教会から派遣された見届け人、言峰 綺礼と申します。本日この手紙を認めさせていただいたのは、先日の倉庫街におきまして出た被害金額の請求の為であります。

 つきましては、この手紙と共に同封されている請求書の金額分のお支払いをお願いします。敬具。
 追伸。剣陣営、並びに槍陣営、弓陣営、そして狂陣営におきましては、被害額を折半させていただいておりますので、あしからず

My sides!
Thanks for the link.
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do you write down whatever Anki you learn daily in your a notebook?
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>>133680030
You go to the doctor if it gets impacted. But they'll just do the same shit you can do at home.

Honestly, I might have been alright if I stopped after getting a massive clump out. But my hearing was still lacking maybe 10%, so I used it again for another couple of days. If you only do it once every month or two when your ears get full of crap like mine, you might be safe. Just don't poke shit in your ears and get them impacted like me.

I'm super jealous of asians who have earwax that's all dry and crispy.
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>>133680157
whatever vocab you learn in Anki*
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>>133680120
What kind of texts would you like to read? Related to anime and manga, or japanese culture?
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>>133680030
You can use hydrochloric acid or whatever
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始めて
初めて
Why?
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>>133680169
Caretaker working in Japan here. I wish it was 'all dry and crispy', it would be much easier to remove.
I don't see a lot of difference with ours.
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>>133680254
>始めて
For starts
>初めて
First time
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>>133680221
Anything interesting really. Manga if it's simple enough. Maybe simple books? Fantasy/Sifi/Magic is definitely my favorite genres.
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>>133680254
>start something
>the starting of
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>>133680293
I meant starters
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>>133679482
学校とか楽しいが旧字だけど、ほんのちょっとでもさんこうになったらうれしいな
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Why?
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>>133680221
Trying to get by with something I can preferably download for free and don't have to buy.
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>>133680339
These make sense when you use a dictionary that doesn't suck.
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>>133679904
Alright, this one is legitimately funny.
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>>133680297
Are you interested in old japanese stories? They are short and it's a part of japanese culture, so it might be interesting.
There is a big site where you can find the audio and text files for each of them:
http://hukumusume.com/douwa/index.html

For example:
http://hukumusume.com/douwa/pc/jap/02/01.htm
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>>133680030
Use Q-Tips like any normal human being?
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>>133680450
>http://hukumusume.com/douwa/index.html
I'll give it a try, thank you.
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>>133680554
You're welcome.
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>今日の空は灰色だ。
wow so poetic
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Does 別にそこまで....好きじゃないし mean that they wouldn't go as far to say they like "..."?
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>>133680655
>kyo no sora wa hairo da
holy shit /djt/ I just read my first sentence, the feeling of accomplishment
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>>133680764
You can't even spell it right in romaji though.
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>>133680786
That's like saying an architect can't draw a building correctly with crayons.
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>>133681120
Sure why not, just because you're using crayons isn't an excuse to draw a door on the roof.
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>>133681120
Japanese people use romaji to type.
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>tfw you are in the top 1% of this thread
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>>133681302
King of swine.
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着る
被る
履く
for what reason?
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>>133681302
>tfw you are in the bottom 1% of this thread
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Probably a dumb question -> Does the させないとな in ハッキリさせないとな mean "you haven't let know clearly" or is it more "you need to let me know clearly" Or am I off on both?
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助けてください :( >>133680747
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>>652562273
Are there any computers on which it is impossible to type kanji?
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>>133681716

>>/b/652562273
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>>133681454
clothes, hats, footwear. What do you not understand?
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>>133681786
Having different words for wearing clothing is dumb
I bet there's another one for jewelry
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>>133681811
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
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>>133681780
I don't understand what I do with that.
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>>133681811
>I bet there's another one for jewelry
There is, actually. Also a separate one for belts and gloves.
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>>133681959
I though the saying was don't throw semen when you live in a vagina.
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>先日、私は友達に迎えました。
How do you know if the person saying this means "I went out to meet a friend the other day" or "I invited a friend the other day"? Don't say "context", because realistically it could be either in a situation like this.

I wrote this sentence myself, so it doesn't come from anywhere. Would perhaps the particle attached to 友達 change depending on the intended meaning? に seems appropriate for the "went out to meet" meaning, but would が perhaps be preferred if the intended meaning was "invited"?
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>>133682025
So what are they?
I feel like 掛ける would be a good fit for earrings.
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>>133681716
I don't like it to that extent.
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>>133682185
The usage of に or が doesn't mean what you think it means in that sentence.
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>>133682185
>I met my friend today
How do you know if this sentence means if I was invited or I invited him?

Oh right, you don't, because a sentence doesn't miraculously contain all of the information you want to know.
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>>133682194
I've seen する being used for earrings.
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>>133682229
So it's not "I wouldn't say that I like it", it's "I don't like it that much", correct?
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>>133682391
>How do you know if this sentence means if I was invited or I invited him?
You are comparing apples and oranges m8. "Met" can't also mean "invited". This is an entirely different issue.

In the case of 迎える, the meaning of the sentence changes entirely depending on what meaning is intended. "Met" in English just means you met someone.
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>>133682185
Just think of 迎える as an intentional meeting.
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>tfw DJT was number 3 on the top 10 countdown
Holy shit boys.
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>>133682591
What?
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>>133682591
wat
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>>133682185
>How do you know if the person saying this means "I went out to meet a friend the other day" or "I invited a friend the other day"? Don't say "context", because realistically it could be either in a situation like this
How bout you start out by asking whether it's a correct sentence to begin with?

It isn't.
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>>133682622
How would you say it then? What's incorrect about it?
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>>133682761
俺は友達のケツにチンチンを入りました。
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>>133682812
ランドム


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I CAN'T STOP PROCRASTINATING
SEND HELP
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>>133682856
read VN
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>>133682856
Help is procrastinating anon
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懇意ああごぽちんっつ
こんいかうぇw
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>>133682591
It wasn't.
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>>133682761
Not him but the correct way to say what you want to say would be something like
>先日、私は友達に会いに行きました。

Now to
>先日、私は友達に迎えました。
The particle is wrong because 迎える is a transitive verb and it still is the wrong verb to use for what you want to say. If you want to write this sentence correctly, you can change it in two ways:
>先日、私は友達を迎えました。
>The other day, I received (welcomed) a friend.
or
>先日、私は友達に迎えられました。
>The other day, I was received (welcomed) by a friend.
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>>133682895
Is there a list of easy ones anywhere?
I've never played any VNs before, so I know fuck all about them.
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>>133683005
It was you stupid motherfucker. Don't come around here spouting bullshit telling me what was and what wasn't you pigshit little bitch.
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>>133683042
download はなりらっ
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>>133683042
俺たちに翼はない
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>>133683054
Feel free to prove it then, you shit cunt.
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>>133683054
Can you at least tell me what you're talking about? - someone else
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>>133683099
>>133683118
I'll check them out, thank you.
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>>133682591
What?
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>>133682591
何?
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>>133682591
que
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>>133682591
>>133683005
>>133683054
>>133683128
Samefag
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>>133683389
Stop blowing shit out of your arse.
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男の娘
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>>133683535
のほも
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>>133683535
>microdick
No.
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>>133683535
Holy fuck, those hands. Why も? There's no fucking way he can take the dick without splitting in half.
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konichiwa
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>>133683594
もしもし
チンポです
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What is the absolute easiest thing on the reading list?
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>>133683700
よつばと and はなひらっ!
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記者会見
埋め立て承認
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>>133683700
Find something you genuinely want to read. Seriously.
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>>133683781
English please.
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>>133683864
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>>133683864
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>>133683781
I'll take a gander, thanks.

>>133683785
Right now I just want to get an idea of where I'm at.
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>Don't like fag anime and manga
>Just wanna play video games
>Video games suck for learning Jap
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>>133679904
>>133679768
>>133679667
Why does he say god damnit so much?

Is that a stereotype?
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>>133684352
Some regions of america say god damn it a *lot*. Source: american.
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>>133684352
Hurt your feelings, little bitch? Fuck off.
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>>133684398
I'm an American as well. Maybe the author is too, and is from a region like you describe.

>>133684468
What? No, I'm just curious.
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>>133684234
That game looks like it simply sucks.
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>>133683785
I'm debating over what to start with and I was wondering myself whether this was indeed the right way to go. Rather than picking something just because it's easy, I was thinking "wouldn't it be better to pick something because I'm interested in it?".
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>>133684234
Anime is life friend
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>>133684806
If you really haven't read anything at all yet I cannot recommend going for something because you're already interested in it. Normal material is just too hard. If you're just starting to read, do yotsuba or hanahira- or something else infamous for being very easy.
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>>133684806
If you're putting in this much thought you're probably going to end up giving up after 10 minutes when things don't go according to plan.
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独身
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独得
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>>133684883
It's not that hard to read a single page a day of something difficult, even if you've just started reading. I suppose it depends on how much you mind looking up every word and difficult expression.
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>>133684234
why would anyone want to learn Japanese if not for anime/manga/VNs?
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>>133684234
You just need the right games. Try the Kiseki games.
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>>133684031
>>133683781
okay yeah shit, I am not ready to start reading, I do not understand any of this
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>>133685037
A page a day is nowhere near enough, especially at high stress levels.
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>>133685117
How much Japanese have you studied? Reading is supposed to be hard when you're starting out.
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わたしはペペが凄く大好きです。
ペペは可愛いし強いからです。
皆もペペを愛してください。
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>>133685216
Do you even know where you are?
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>>133685213
>わたし
Triggered.
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>>133685216
Don't hurt anyone with that edge on your way out friend
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Am I ready to start reading yet?
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>>133685364
Na, keep reppin, it's the only way
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>>133685364
Madamada anon-kun. Did you complete core 20k?
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>>133685216
If you scroll up to the top of this page, there's actually a hidden easter egg that indicates that this board is called "/a/" for the discussion of "anime & manga". Now I know that it may shock you to find out that these threads are on a board dedicated to this disgusting "anime & manga" filth, but you have been warned! Those disgusting weeaboos are actually, in fact, lurking everywhere around these parts.
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>>133685476
Fuck off fag.
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>>133685364
Holed up on a mountain dedicating yourself to Japanese? Amphetaneet? Both?
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Post settings please
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>using guide to determine how much of VN is left
S-sweet release is almost here.
>>133685552
He's the guy that bullies newer people by saying he still has far to go
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>>133685610
Order: order added
New: 60 (kanji)
Graduating: 1 day
Easy interval: 2 days
Starting ease: 200%
Bury: no
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>>133685216
まぁまぁそう怒るなって。楽しくいきましょうや。
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>>133685639
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>>133685639
と should have the first stroke angled higher
other than that practice should probably make good enough, since you wouldn't even expect natives to have perfect handwriting anyway
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>>133685364
You are not fluent in Japanese until you have mastered core65k.
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>>133685756
>>133685772
They're asking how to pack small kana きょう
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>>133685826
Oh. That's A, then.
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>Mined 800 words in about 20000 lines of text
Good enough I say.
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>>133686025
How do you know it was 20,000?
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>>133686038
Script sizes.
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>>133686071
>tfw vns i read are never on tlwiki
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>>133685639
A is closest, but theょ should be smaller and in the corner of the box. You can find all the rules here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genkō_yōshi
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>>133685639
First one
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>>133684234
Video games are for children.
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>>133686395
So it anime...
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>>133685364
I bet this is the guy who posted a bunch about how 20k is not enough because he still had trouble reading one piece even with nearly 20k words in his mining deck.

Funny to see how he's still barely above 20k years later.
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>>133686435
A lot of anime is aired past midnight. It is most certainly not for children.
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>>133686503
A lot of games are released with a big +18 sign on their cover.
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Let's settle this once and for all:
(known kanji, not total kanji)
http://strawpoll.me/6039360
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>>133686573
Not the rpgs people here play.
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>>133686458
Apparently he killed himself.
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>>133686617
Ah, but you said video games are for children. You're gonna have to change that to "the RPGs I perceive people here to play" if you wanna maintain consistency.
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東京は「とうきょう」でしょ?
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>>133686666
東京都、四くん
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>>133686666
>>133685639
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>>133686656
>autism
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>>133686808
I think the dude saying video games for children is clearly the autistic one. Considering that everyone and their mother plays video games, among other things.
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>>133686853
My parents don't. Do yours have mental disabilities or something?
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>>133686888
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>>133686888
>my parents don't play video games
>that means that no adults play video games
>my world view is so skewered that what my parents do is what all adults must do
Hello teen.
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why is っ taught as a double constant instead of a small pause?
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>>133686989
Most adults don't play video games.

Some do, but some adults also watch MLP and jerk off in public.
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>>133686989
Anon you've been swept into his ruse cruise. I recommend just not replying. He's just going to type stupid shit to make you mad while smugly thinking "man this is fucking entertaining nyehnyehnyeh". No point engaging in that.
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>>133687044
Probably more of a "gyehehehe" but yeah.
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>>133687028
Because it's not /really/ a small pause

It's not really taught as a double consonant either, that's just how it's romanized

I see it get taught as a glottal stop and that causes problems
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>>133687044
Yeah that last comment made it quite obvious this is just a bait. >>133687030
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>>133687030
Fuck off with your shit bait.
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>>133687087
>>133687044
>baaaaaaaait
Well memed
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>>133687126
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>>133687030
untrue, current adults are the generation games were made for, and they are still the biggest market.

as >>133686989 said: hello teen
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Makianon told me to post this for him
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>>133687028
>>133687079
To be honest, I to do this day don't really understand any of the subscript kana. The explanations I've read went over my head like they were advanced math.
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>>133687186
The games made for adults aren't the silly jrpgs that you would need Japanese for.
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>>133687241
passer
pass sir
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>>133687292
those actually are made for adults though
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>>133687349
Like I said man he's ruse cruising you.
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>>133687349
lol
as if any adult would still be entertained by overdone rpg combat
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>>133687207
punch him on the face for us
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>>133687207
He gets banned every time he posts, who cares.
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>>133687079
ok just looked, it's clearly not a glottal stop. what do you mean it's not /really/ a small pause? How would you describe it? It seems to be a pause the same length as a spoken kana, not including "s" type instances of course.
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>>133687900
The word pause just gives people the wrong idea.
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I got Harry potter first book from Nyaa and I'm getting that Mojibake thing in the notepad. Do I need a certain program to read it? I'm not sure what to do.
https://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=160089&showcomments=6963de03
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>>133688043
>notepad

Just open it in your web browser.
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>>133688043
Gotta use jap local buddo
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>>133687900
You do the same action as a glottal stop but you don't actually voice it, hence why it's akin to a pause. And yes it's duration is about one mora, same as the kana.
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>>133687985
なるほど i get your point, the average English speaker not studying Japanese would prolly take "a small pause" as more of what happens with a comma(period would be full pause)
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>>133688383
The Jews are already imposing stricter gun control after what happened in Paris, while telling the brainwashed hordes that making more laws will stop criminals from breaking them.
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Word of the day: ミーハー

この言葉の語源についていろんな説がありまして、ネットで調べても結局不明のままです
>英語の「Me」&「Her」から。
>音階のドレミファから。
>昔の昭和の女性に大人気だった「みつまめ」と「林長二郎」(昭和の俳優)から。
>当時の女性の名前は「みよ」「はな」など「み」「は」で始まる名前が多かったことから。
力士の隠語から来てる説だってあります
調べて損したよ
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>>133685661
>he needs a guide to read VNs
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>>133688338
>You do the same action as a glottal stop
Except you don't; none of japanese's consonants are glottal. It's only a glottal stop at the end of a word in isolation, like "はなひらっ"

Even akka doesn't use a glottal stop. It's just a geminated k.
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>>133689411
>The most fun thing about VNs is picking the wrong choice 5 choices back, getting a bad end, then having to start over again...
...said no one ever.
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>>133689411
Anon I just said "using guide to determine how much of VN is left". The less choices are left, the closer I get to finishing
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>>133689523
what
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>>133689518
That's why kinetic novels without any choices are so much better than VNs, right?
Oh wait.
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>>133689518
>he doesn't play for 100% completion
oi vey
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>>133689730
Both are good. I wouldn't mind if all the choices in a moege were replaced with a single "who do you want to fuck" choice.
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>>133689252
これは和製英語の実力か…
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>>133689518
Bad ends are fucking fantastic though
FSN's best ending is a bad end
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>>133689672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU6ZwGGkupQ
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>>133689776
I hope you aren't talking about MoS.
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>>133689776
FSN is overrated trash
Nasu is a hack
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>>133689773
>和製英語
だから、いろんな説の中ので、和製英語はただ一つの説です。そうだとは限らない。
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>>133689889
God no.

Sparks Liner High.
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>>133689766
I see, the choices in a typical moege are too confusing and convoluted for you? That's why you need a guide, because without it you can't figure out which choices lead to which route? In a moege?

Consider the possibility that maybe VNs are not the medium for you, and you should stick to something a little more simple.
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>>133689817
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-C-tjQK0TY
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>「あまねがちゃんと宿題をやってるか、気にかけてあげれば良かったと思って」

>You (Amane) did your homework so I don't think I can trouble you

Of course this is incorrect but I know you guys don't like people who ask for a translation without giving it a try. So now can someone help me? God my grammar is trash.
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>>133690010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QE-KfhG6BQ
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began writing a letter during math to the old couple I stayed with for a while in japan. Is this understandable?

And yea, I know it isn't a literary masterpiece
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>>133690056
I think you should pay some heed to if Amane is doing her homework properly or not.
Something like that
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>>133690056
We also don't like people who point out the things we don't like.
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>>133689956
Why did you even bother writing that post? You're not being serious, you're not even reading the other posts, and you're just being condescending. Seems like a waste of time, as far as I can tell. Or does that ACTUALLY stroke your ego? I can't imagine that you would be so shallow to feel superior over something like that. But, you DID write that whole post, so who knows?
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>>133689940
>Sparks Liner High
>bad end
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>>133690056
I'm also a scrub but I don't think the part before the comma connects in that way.
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>>133690357
Sorry, dead end*
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>I heard what you said
I'm actually not even sure how I'd phrase this. How would I go about denoting 君 and 僕 along with both the verbs for to hear and to speak?

Basically, how do you make a sentence that is specifically speaking of two people doing multiple actions?
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>>133690273
>写真家なりました
You're missing a に, but that's all I've got.
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>>133690273
Jag förstår vad det står, huruvida det är korrekt eller inte kan jag inte uttala mig om.
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>>133690557
You usually don't, it would probably be something like xyzさんの言うこと聞いた.
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>>133690643
alltid nåt

>>133690575
Ok, thanks
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I'm an indecisive faggot. Please decide my first reading material for me.
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>>133690691
Maybe that's why it was so confusing to try and figure out then.
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>>133690273
The first sentence is pretty messed up...
日本から帰って来たのはもう三ヶ月過ごしたね…
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>>133690751
I can't read any of that, the only word I know is 巨乳 so you should probably go with that one.
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>>133690751
>>133690797
These are the VNs in order:
https://vndb.org/v6714
https://vndb.org/v15870
https://vndb.org/v5244
https://vndb.org/v8158
https://vndb.org/v10288
https://vndb.org/v18636
https://vndb.org/v15482
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PAKORITAI
>>133690751
I kind of recommend Teaching Feeling, because it is literally 5% as long as long as any of the other things there. However, you can't texthook it.
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So what compelling content are you currently watching?
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>>133690751
>奴隷との生活 -Teaching Feeling-
That one.
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>>133691005
Teaching Feeling

Give her the sandwich
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>>133691498
>>
>Reading fine
>Get to a choice
>Doesn't texthooking
>Read them
>First one is fine, uses recently used words
>Second one I just have no idea
Welp, time to break out google handwriting.
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>>133691622
that one kanji that means quick or early
then the thing that makes it double (check 'em)
then the one to read stuff? fuck if I know
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>>133691622
諦める
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>>133691710
I'll remember that.
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>>133691622
早々に諦める

So how many here actually use electronic dictionaries? I have pic related for DS. It's great but the battery time on the DS is shit. Couldn't live without it
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>>133691800
I wonder how many people bought a DS just so that they had a not-retarded-looking way to check characters.
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>>133691800
sheeeit that looks pretty useful
You can draw the character with the pen thing right?
Is the recognition as good as google's?
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>>133691800
app on my phone
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>>133691868
Yes you draw it. The recognition is amazing, way beyond anything else I've tried BUT you need to know your stroke orders or it's useless. As long as you use the correct stroke orders it will recognize any shitty writing
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>>133691979
If you know the stroke order so well you could just go to jisho and use radical search
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Why does recognition of kanji even matter?
Just read like 2-3 VNs, add all the kanji you see to anki, and poof you'll never have to worry about looking up kanji.
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>>133692033
Some of us can't afford to use third party shit to upload to the cloud.
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>>133692013
Radical search takes a ton of time compared to just writing out the kanji with a stylus. Also with a electronic dictionary you can lie in your sofa and play console games and still look up words easily
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>>133692131
what third party shit
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>>133692131
?
What costs money in this situation?
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>>133691101
>奴隷と生活
>tfw I love broken girls
>tfw I hate used sluts
I don't know what to make of this. Can I pretend her previous owner never fucked her?
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>>133692496
Her previous owner did not fuck her. She was just a slave to beat, not fuck.
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>did 100 new words a day for a week
>felt like that was too much to do so I stepped down to 50 a day for a few months
>just now starting to feel like that is too much so I'm going down to 25 a day
>calculate how long it's going to take to get to a good amount of known words at 25 a day
>mfw

It feels horrible that I was able to do so many words a day and now I have to do a measly 25 a day. I just want to get learning out of the way so that I can actually read well. Is this even as big of a deal as I think it is?
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>>133692033
You're going to take so much time to get through these VN's without knowing some base vocab that all of the headstart you got of skipping the anki program will end up being pointless. Why go for painful and slow when you can get boring and efficient?
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>>133692632
you're underestimating japanese.
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>>133692632
You should start reading once you finish Core2k at the latest. You must've finished that ages ago if you did 50 words a day "for a few months".

You should've started reading ages ago, m8.
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>>133692675
>skipping anki
Wut? I said to add the words to anki, clearly I think anki is good. Not sure what you're misunderstanding here.
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>>133692632
So do you have like 1000 reviews to do with that many new cards a day?
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>>133692632
Anki is just the source of your initial vocab which is only a very small fraction of all the vocab you'll eventually acquire. At 25 words a day you would be done with core2k in 3 months, which is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, compared to the time and effort you will spend reading until you get really good. If you're thinking you'll have a deck with 20,000 words one day get that idea off your head please.
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>>133692780
>skip the anki program
Which is to say, skip learning a good amount of vocab (e.g. doing core2k) before you tackle reading.
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>>133692632
I can read pretty well at only 6,000 words, no way in hell am I fluent but I can pick up a random VN or a random manga and make my way through it without much trouble.

Really, just multiply by four years. Assume you will be doing anki for 1460 days. 1460 x 25 = 36,500. More than enough, so don't worry.
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Death to Anki infidels.
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>>133692632
>I just want to get learning out of the way
Reading is learning.
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>>133692854
Not sure why you think I said to do that? I didn't say that at all. Did you misunderstand the "recognition of kanji" bit? I was referring to the posts about dictionaries for looking up kanji.
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>>133692815
>If you're thinking you'll have a deck with 20,000 words one day get that idea off your head please.
>>133685364
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>>133692496
>>133692583
>check the other game from that developer
Jesus fucking Christ who thought this was a good idea?
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Hey can you'll niggas help me out
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>>133691013
日本番組
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Is there a good beginner level VN that doesn't have sex? I'm pretty easily triggered so I just don't want to risk it. The genre doesn't really matter.
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Reminder that if the definitions in your Anki deck aren't in Japanese themselves then you will never learn
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>hey can you subtitle this anime?
>sorry, I just deal with text, i'm not so good with audio
>why? don't you know Japanese?
>mfw
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>>133693208
はなひらっ!
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>>133693208
はなひら

>triggered
You mean you don't want to pop a boner or that you don't want to be offended by the sexist portrayal of females?
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>>133693260
>not practicing listening
>doing translation when you can't even understand anime
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>>133693333
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK8cFjWd58g
I-it was hard
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>>133693208
Neat, I didn't the Amish were allowed to use computers.
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>>133691800
does this "game" have Japanese to Japanese translations? i.e. is it a normal dictionary or just jap-eng?
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A Japanese man sees a large grey thing. He says, are you an animal? What kind are you. The large grey thing replies,
ぞうです、ゾウです
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>>133693386
Some are. The one thing Amish are the most against is mechanical things taking away traditional "natural" human jobs.
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>>133693461
It has J<->E and J<->J dictionaries. The J<->J dictionary is obviously more comprehensive
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>>133693260
>hey can you subtitle this anime?
>sure thing man my going rate is either $0.20 a word or $50 an hour you can pay me in check or cash thanks
>n-no thanks I'll as someone else...
>fuck you too buddy!
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>>133693480
>>133693645
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>>133693578
>>133693386
Actually, the Amish only dislike technology because they think it will lead to a lack of discipline, and all the bad things which will stem from that.

So, they update their rules as society around them becomes more advanced, to whatever the bare minimum is to operate in the modern world.

In 100 years, they'll probably be allowed to use hoverboards, even though the world around them will be on warp technology, or whatever.
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>>133693480
god dammit japan has too many pun jokes

i swear the majority of japanese jokes involve a pun
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>>133694297
Japanese has a massively disproportionate rate of homophones because of the extremely small number of sounds.
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Mondays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays I don't have time to do anki reviews.

Can I configure it some way to help me out here? Only schedule cards every other day, or something?
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>>133694444
Make time for reviews. I refuse to believe all 16 of your hours are taken up.
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>>133694444
Just change your deck options review limit to 0 those days dude.
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>>133694500
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>>133691688
checked
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>>133694444
You don't have 30 minutes of free time?
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>>133694444
Unless you're one of the busiest people in the world, you DO have time.
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>>133694151
What is that Kanji?
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>>133694751
Not everyone is as efficient as you may be.
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>>133694782
They don't have to be
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raise, improve
あげる
Verb
彼かれは荷物にもつをあみだなに上あげた。
He put the luggage on the luggage rack.

But... that doesn't even mean what the definition said it means...
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>>133694877
Elevate, raise
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>>133694877
He raised the luggage onto the rack.
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>>133694752
(笑)
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>>133694752
Are you blind or did you simply not read the guide and take not of all the resources with which you can look up Kanji?
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>>133695010
fuck

>>133695058
i am as of 13 minutes ago legally blind
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>>133694751
>77/77
>32 minutes
yeah right
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>>133695231
When you become pretty familiar with kanji, and can read them as fast as you can kana, then reps become super fast.
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>>133695299
What if I still need to stare super hard at kana before I remember them
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>>133695334
キル ヨ セルフ
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>>133695334
Read more
But really, you'll be doing so many reps in anki, with each rep having the reading in pure kana, that you will be able to read them pretty fast soon.
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>>133695128
It's 筆
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>>133693370
I expected finnie or someone to say that was actually easy. Is it kekkou hard?
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>入室
>studying under a Buddhist teacher
wat
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>>133695452
Thanks. Tried google's recognition but it didn't work, neither did kanjitomo.
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>>133695546
I am left to wonder how fucked up of a Kanji you must have drawn to not even have google recognize it.
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>>133695358
>ヨ
You don't pronounce the ヨ like you would pronounce the syllable 'yo' in English. The 'o' is much shorter. In that case, you should make it ヨー or ヨア.
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>>133695546
>>133695609
this is probably what happens when you don't learn stroke order
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>>133695523
王室
入門
There's no rule saying kanji need to be used super-literally every time.
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>>133695609
The problem is that he didn't do RTK and doesn't know the draw order.
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>>133695642
Or he could just use the correct sound of ユー
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>>133695707
I was told Google didn't care for stroke order. Besides I did it correctly.
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>>133695231
There are 3 things I do that skew mature cards a bit more than it would for most people:
- I did RTK (I'm not starting anything, I was just interested in handwriting and it benefitted vocab retention due to increased recognition, the keywords sometimes being helpful, and at the moment adding cloze vocab to kanji cards to eventually fade out the keywords)
- I'm fairly strict with what cards I let become mature. If I make even a slight mistake, I'm less than 100% sure of what word it is, or it took too long, I count it wrong. Downside is that some cards take much longer to become mature and I have a slightly higher review load as a result.
- This is most likely considered cheating to most people, but I don't really care since it works for me. If I get a mature card wrong, majority of the time it's because I had a slight mental lapse and would've normally gotten it right, especially in context. One of the major downsides of going a bit too fast with reviews. What I do to combat it is use Ctrl+8. This adds a star to the top right of the card. I do this, hit hard, and when I see a starred card if I don't get it exactly right very quickly, then I hit again.

My mature card retention was still above 99% before I started doing the 3rd thing though, so the 3rd thing only really affects occasional brain farts with random words and saves the time of having to relearn a card that doesn't actually need to be relearned.

Also basically this >>133695299
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>>133695746
ユー is 'you', not 'your'.
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>>133695777
ユオア or something then
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>>133695758
Drew this in a completely random stroke order. Looks better than what that other anon drew but it's not like it's hard to draw it like this
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>>133696054
Inversely, it can be the most ugly shit ever and it'll get it right as long as the general stroke order is correct.
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>>133696054
>>133695758
this is what happens when you use proper stroke order
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>>133696167
it's google, it always gets it right as long as you mentalize it. did in a single stroke
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>>133696054
>>133696149
>>133696167
I wish there was an app version of this that was this good. Even the Google handwriting input or the Google IME ones are completely fucking worthless compared to the one on the Google Translate desktop site.
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>>133696248
btw I also missed a stroke
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I've spent about 8 hours reading about Shakespeare the last 2 days. Currently I am trying to pick out the best edition to read for a beginner because I don't understand any of it. I see references to Shakespeare's works in anime all the time, more than I see in any English shows. I wonder if the average Japanese person is more familiar with them than the average English speaking person.
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>>133690056
I thought maybe I should have paid attention to whether Amane is properly doing her homework.
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>>133696321
Thank you
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>>133696313
no one is familiar with Shakespeare (period)
although hamlet is very, very worth reading, in case you haven't picked it up already
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>>133696313
We studied Shakespeare a lot in class, read through many of his plays, etc etc.
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>>133696313
A lot of anime shows are based on LNs, and bad authors love quoting good authors in order to seem deep.
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>>133696461
http://literarydevices.net/allusion/
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>>133696313
Shakespeare is basically Nasu tier. I don't know why you'd want to read his shit.
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>>133696558
>Shakespeare is basically Nasu tier.
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>>133696537
Try making an actual point.
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>>133696592
I don't have a point, I thought you would benefit from reading that.
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>>133696537
>Allusion is a brief and indirect reference
>does not describe in detail the person or thing to which it refers
>just a passing comment and the writer expects the reader to possess enough knowledge to spot the allusion
I think what >>133696461 was referring to was when a pretentious "deep" character says stupidly explicit shit like "this current state of affairs resembles Shakespeare's x, in which y happens"
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>>133696440
I haven't picked up anything yet. I plan on reading all the major ones eventually. First on my list is probably The Tempest because I watched Zetsuen no Tempest and I always wondered if I would have enjoyed it more if I'd read the play first.

>>133696457
In school we read Romeo on Juliet and maybe one scene from Macbeth.

I watch a lot of Jeopardy with my family, and I'd like to be able to get all the Shakespeare questions right. So that is another benefit of reading them.
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>>133696582
That's right, both are crap made for plebs that some pretentious cunts love to praise to high heavens.
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>>133696623
You didn't think very hard.
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>>133696665
Didn't have to.
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>>133696628
Neah I'm talking about shit like Hello Lady where the author repeatedly references Shakespeare through everything despite the story being generic trash.
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>>133696634
ZnT also refers to hamlet, but I wouldn't say knowing hamlet let me enjoy the show any more (it was a masterpiece in itself after all). That being said, I haven't actually read the tempest
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>>133696440
Hamlet is essentially an episode of South Park accidentally sent backwards in time.
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>>133696677
Get a trip.
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