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Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
There is no winning without hard work.
Yes, just use Anki's save feature to do it.
Reminder not to fall for the debian forum trick where someone intentionally incites a flame war in order to drag people with real answers out of the woodwork. If someone is flaming, don't tell them what's right.
>tfw finally time to start reading today
I want Anki to hold my hand forever...
Were you the guy yesterday arguing about some other guys' sentence not being complete? Because I wouldn't count that as what you said, since in that case, you'd actually be the instigator because the other guy was right.
Some background, for the past nine years I've studied Chinese nearly daily. I live in Taiwan and have learned the language successfully -- passed all the tests, read books, use it more than English. I am very happy with this.
For years, I have been wanting to learn Japanese for my next language. I'm having a hard time getting into it without the "immersion factor." With Chinese, I have always had either a teacher/ChinesePod or Taiwan. For Japanese, I have the Genki textbook (got lucky finding that here) and some audio material. I really want to find a good learning podcast, like ChinesePod. (Japanese101, or whatever it is called, is really bad, imo.)
I am a bit desperate. I really want to learn this language, but I'm having a hard time getting started on my own. I'm seriously thinking about moving to Japan, but I'm not super excited about teaching English there. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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But then there is a typing error at the end, and おくれ became 遅れ from the verb 遅れる that means 'to be late'.
Typing errors occur sometimes because of the automatic change of hiragana to kanji.
I suppose your friend didn't realize he has made a mistake.
And even if the guy yesterday was right, saying stuff like "too late to change your question posting, not gonna help" is just asking for a flamy response in general. People shouldn't do that I think
They''re not ruining the thread, you are when you derail every conversation about japanese grammar/vocabulary these questions are about.
If you don't want to see people ask for help in a thread where people try to learn japanese, just don't come here.
I want to see people getting help, not shitposting. There is a very, very big difference between the two. If you honestly think that starting arguments is the right way for someone go get help, you need mental help.
What's with this font rendering? I don't have this problem on my Linux laptop or phone. Anyone know the cause of this problem?
Install mactype, or don't.
It starts rendering properly at either 64 or 128 px large (don't remember which). If you just want things to look better, keep to the <=32px and >=128px font sizes.
I'm gonna, but now my learning process is going to be much more antonymous which is kinda scary. It was nice and comfy when Anki just fed me a pre-made list of words to learn every day.
It's just fucking お + くれ from くれる, they were right as that's what they seem to be saying at >>133678382 you fucking retard. It's just a polite set-phrase for a request. Don't try and teach others if you know shit all yourself.
No, it's the polite form you put at the end of a verb when you ask for a favor : ~くれ／～おくれ
There is no kanji for it, it's a coincidencde if he mistakenly chose the first kanji for the retranscription of the hiragana. I suppose he tried to do the automatic kanji re-transcription for the whole sentence after he wrote it only with hiragana, but didn't realize the end of the sentence had been partially re-transcripted too.
I often do that error too.
And it does it for me too, by the way....
Not him, but it is a a non-peraphrastic verb form that results in the subject being the one to receive the action and the object being the agent of the action. Seems like a real passive to me.
What's wrong with Mandarin?
>I didn't know there were so many ways to write porn.
There are tens of thousands of doujin ero manga and hundreds of thousands of doujin ero novels.
There are infinite ways to write porn.
It's called a carriageway
gott strafe burgerland
Submitted this paragraph this morning in my jap101 course. I don't care what my sensei thinks, i care about what you think about my shitty handwriting and grammar /djt/
First, be careful with the spell of skateboard
Maybe you should avoir to repeat so many times skateboard and longboard.
I don't understand what hiragana you wrote after tokidoki.
There are little errors here and there and I think you should try to join a few of these short sentences.
By the way, I tried to correct a little and change the way you express a few things: (but I still don't know what you were trying to write after tokidoki)
Thanks for the link.
You go to the doctor if it gets impacted. But they'll just do the same shit you can do at home.
Honestly, I might have been alright if I stopped after getting a massive clump out. But my hearing was still lacking maybe 10%, so I used it again for another couple of days. If you only do it once every month or two when your ears get full of crap like mine, you might be safe. Just don't poke shit in your ears and get them impacted like me.
I'm super jealous of asians who have earwax that's all dry and crispy.
Are you interested in old japanese stories? They are short and it's a part of japanese culture, so it might be interesting.
There is a big site where you can find the audio and text files for each of them:
>tfw you are in the bottom 1% of this thread
How do you know if the person saying this means "I went out to meet a friend the other day" or "I invited a friend the other day"? Don't say "context", because realistically it could be either in a situation like this.
I wrote this sentence myself, so it doesn't come from anywhere. Would perhaps the particle attached to 友達 change depending on the intended meaning? に seems appropriate for the "went out to meet" meaning, but would が perhaps be preferred if the intended meaning was "invited"?
>I met my friend today
How do you know if this sentence means if I was invited or I invited him?
Oh right, you don't, because a sentence doesn't miraculously contain all of the information you want to know.
>How do you know if this sentence means if I was invited or I invited him?
You are comparing apples and oranges m8. "Met" can't also mean "invited". This is an entirely different issue.
In the case of 迎える, the meaning of the sentence changes entirely depending on what meaning is intended. "Met" in English just means you met someone.
>How do you know if the person saying this means "I went out to meet a friend the other day" or "I invited a friend the other day"? Don't say "context", because realistically it could be either in a situation like this
How bout you start out by asking whether it's a correct sentence to begin with?
Not him but the correct way to say what you want to say would be something like
The particle is wrong because 迎える is a transitive verb and it still is the wrong verb to use for what you want to say. If you want to write this sentence correctly, you can change it in two ways:
>The other day, I received (welcomed) a friend.
>The other day, I was received (welcomed) by a friend.
>Don't like fag anime and manga
>Just wanna play video games
>Video games suck for learning Jap
I'm debating over what to start with and I was wondering myself whether this was indeed the right way to go. Rather than picking something just because it's easy, I was thinking "wouldn't it be better to pick something because I'm interested in it?".
If you really haven't read anything at all yet I cannot recommend going for something because you're already interested in it. Normal material is just too hard. If you're just starting to read, do yotsuba or hanahira- or something else infamous for being very easy.
It's not that hard to read a single page a day of something difficult, even if you've just started reading. I suppose it depends on how much you mind looking up every word and difficult expression.
why would anyone want to learn Japanese if not for anime/manga/VNs?
If you scroll up to the top of this page, there's actually a hidden easter egg that indicates that this board is called "/a/" for the discussion of "anime & manga". Now I know that it may shock you to find out that these threads are on a board dedicated to this disgusting "anime & manga" filth, but you have been warned! Those disgusting weeaboos are actually, in fact, lurking everywhere around these parts.
Holed up on a mountain dedicating yourself to Japanese? Amphetaneet? Both?
>using guide to determine how much of VN is left
S-sweet release is almost here.
He's the guy that bullies newer people by saying he still has far to go
と should have the first stroke angled higher
other than that practice should probably make good enough, since you wouldn't even expect natives to have perfect handwriting anyway
>Mined 800 words in about 20000 lines of text
Good enough I say.
I bet this is the guy who posted a bunch about how 20k is not enough because he still had trouble reading one piece even with nearly 20k words in his mining deck.
Funny to see how he's still barely above 20k years later.
Anon you've been swept into his ruse cruise. I recommend just not replying. He's just going to type stupid shit to make you mad while smugly thinking "man this is fucking entertaining nyehnyehnyeh". No point engaging in that.
Because it's not /really/ a small pause
It's not really taught as a double consonant either, that's just how it's romanized
I see it get taught as a glottal stop and that causes problems
ok just looked, it's clearly not a glottal stop. what do you mean it's not /really/ a small pause? How would you describe it? It seems to be a pause the same length as a spoken kana, not including "s" type instances of course.
I got Harry potter first book from Nyaa and I'm getting that Mojibake thing in the notepad. Do I need a certain program to read it? I'm not sure what to do.
Word of the day: ミーハー
>You do the same action as a glottal stop
Except you don't; none of japanese's consonants are glottal. It's only a glottal stop at the end of a word in isolation, like "はなひらっ"
Even akka doesn't use a glottal stop. It's just a geminated k.
I see, the choices in a typical moege are too confusing and convoluted for you? That's why you need a guide, because without it you can't figure out which choices lead to which route? In a moege?
Consider the possibility that maybe VNs are not the medium for you, and you should stick to something a little more simple.
>You (Amane) did your homework so I don't think I can trouble you
Of course this is incorrect but I know you guys don't like people who ask for a translation without giving it a try. So now can someone help me? God my grammar is trash.
began writing a letter during math to the old couple I stayed with for a while in japan. Is this understandable?
And yea, I know it isn't a literary masterpiece
Why did you even bother writing that post? You're not being serious, you're not even reading the other posts, and you're just being condescending. Seems like a waste of time, as far as I can tell. Or does that ACTUALLY stroke your ego? I can't imagine that you would be so shallow to feel superior over something like that. But, you DID write that whole post, so who knows?
>I heard what you said
I'm actually not even sure how I'd phrase this. How would I go about denoting 君 and 僕 along with both the verbs for to hear and to speak?
Basically, how do you make a sentence that is specifically speaking of two people doing multiple actions?
I'm an indecisive faggot. Please decide my first reading material for me.
These are the VNs in order:
I kind of recommend Teaching Feeling, because it is literally 5% as long as long as any of the other things there. However, you can't texthook it.
So what compelling content are you currently watching?
Give her the sandwich
>Get to a choice
>First one is fine, uses recently used words
>Second one I just have no idea
Welp, time to break out google handwriting.
So how many here actually use electronic dictionaries? I have pic related for DS. It's great but the battery time on the DS is shit. Couldn't live without it
Yes you draw it. The recognition is amazing, way beyond anything else I've tried BUT you need to know your stroke orders or it's useless. As long as you use the correct stroke orders it will recognize any shitty writing
Why does recognition of kanji even matter?
Just read like 2-3 VNs, add all the kanji you see to anki, and poof you'll never have to worry about looking up kanji.
Radical search takes a ton of time compared to just writing out the kanji with a stylus. Also with a electronic dictionary you can lie in your sofa and play console games and still look up words easily
>did 100 new words a day for a week
>felt like that was too much to do so I stepped down to 50 a day for a few months
>just now starting to feel like that is too much so I'm going down to 25 a day
>calculate how long it's going to take to get to a good amount of known words at 25 a day
It feels horrible that I was able to do so many words a day and now I have to do a measly 25 a day. I just want to get learning out of the way so that I can actually read well. Is this even as big of a deal as I think it is?
You're going to take so much time to get through these VN's without knowing some base vocab that all of the headstart you got of skipping the anki program will end up being pointless. Why go for painful and slow when you can get boring and efficient?
You should start reading once you finish Core2k at the latest. You must've finished that ages ago if you did 50 words a day "for a few months".
You should've started reading ages ago, m8.
Anki is just the source of your initial vocab which is only a very small fraction of all the vocab you'll eventually acquire. At 25 words a day you would be done with core2k in 3 months, which is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, compared to the time and effort you will spend reading until you get really good. If you're thinking you'll have a deck with 20,000 words one day get that idea off your head please.
I can read pretty well at only 6,000 words, no way in hell am I fluent but I can pick up a random VN or a random manga and make my way through it without much trouble.
Really, just multiply by four years. Assume you will be doing anki for 1460 days. 1460 x 25 = 36,500. More than enough, so don't worry.
Not sure why you think I said to do that? I didn't say that at all. Did you misunderstand the "recognition of kanji" bit? I was referring to the posts about dictionaries for looking up kanji.
>If you're thinking you'll have a deck with 20,000 words one day get that idea off your head please.
>check the other game from that developer
Jesus fucking Christ who thought this was a good idea?
>hey can you subtitle this anime?
>sorry, I just deal with text, i'm not so good with audio
>why? don't you know Japanese?
>not practicing listening
>doing translation when you can't even understand anime
>hey can you subtitle this anime?
>sure thing man my going rate is either $0.20 a word or $50 an hour you can pay me in check or cash thanks
>n-no thanks I'll as someone else...
>fuck you too buddy!
Actually, the Amish only dislike technology because they think it will lead to a lack of discipline, and all the bad things which will stem from that.
So, they update their rules as society around them becomes more advanced, to whatever the bare minimum is to operate in the modern world.
In 100 years, they'll probably be allowed to use hoverboards, even though the world around them will be on warp technology, or whatever.
Unless you're one of the busiest people in the world, you DO have time.
When you become pretty familiar with kanji, and can read them as fast as you can kana, then reps become super fast.
I am left to wonder how fucked up of a Kanji you must have drawn to not even have google recognize it.
this is probably what happens when you don't learn stroke order
There are 3 things I do that skew mature cards a bit more than it would for most people:
- I did RTK (I'm not starting anything, I was just interested in handwriting and it benefitted vocab retention due to increased recognition, the keywords sometimes being helpful, and at the moment adding cloze vocab to kanji cards to eventually fade out the keywords)
- I'm fairly strict with what cards I let become mature. If I make even a slight mistake, I'm less than 100% sure of what word it is, or it took too long, I count it wrong. Downside is that some cards take much longer to become mature and I have a slightly higher review load as a result.
- This is most likely considered cheating to most people, but I don't really care since it works for me. If I get a mature card wrong, majority of the time it's because I had a slight mental lapse and would've normally gotten it right, especially in context. One of the major downsides of going a bit too fast with reviews. What I do to combat it is use Ctrl+8. This adds a star to the top right of the card. I do this, hit hard, and when I see a starred card if I don't get it exactly right very quickly, then I hit again.
My mature card retention was still above 99% before I started doing the 3rd thing though, so the 3rd thing only really affects occasional brain farts with random words and saves the time of having to relearn a card that doesn't actually need to be relearned.
Also basically this >>133695299
Drew this in a completely random stroke order. Looks better than what that other anon drew but it's not like it's hard to draw it like this
Inversely, it can be the most ugly shit ever and it'll get it right as long as the general stroke order is correct.
this is what happens when you use proper stroke order
it's google, it always gets it right as long as you mentalize it. did in a single stroke
I wish there was an app version of this that was this good. Even the Google handwriting input or the Google IME ones are completely fucking worthless compared to the one on the Google Translate desktop site.
I've spent about 8 hours reading about Shakespeare the last 2 days. Currently I am trying to pick out the best edition to read for a beginner because I don't understand any of it. I see references to Shakespeare's works in anime all the time, more than I see in any English shows. I wonder if the average Japanese person is more familiar with them than the average English speaking person.
>Shakespeare is basically Nasu tier.
>Allusion is a brief and indirect reference
>does not describe in detail the person or thing to which it refers
>just a passing comment and the writer expects the reader to possess enough knowledge to spot the allusion
I think what >>133696461 was referring to was when a pretentious "deep" character says stupidly explicit shit like "this current state of affairs resembles Shakespeare's x, in which y happens"
I haven't picked up anything yet. I plan on reading all the major ones eventually. First on my list is probably The Tempest because I watched Zetsuen no Tempest and I always wondered if I would have enjoyed it more if I'd read the play first.
In school we read Romeo on Juliet and maybe one scene from Macbeth.
I watch a lot of Jeopardy with my family, and I'd like to be able to get all the Shakespeare questions right. So that is another benefit of reading them.
ZnT also refers to hamlet, but I wouldn't say knowing hamlet let me enjoy the show any more (it was a masterpiece in itself after all). That being said, I haven't actually read the tempest