Why was Kanbaru so sexy this episode, she's usually pretty shit
That's objectively wrong.
She is a miracle of the universe and you need to watch your goddamn mouth.
Are you ok dude? It's fine having shit taste. I mean yea, she's better than a lot of the sluts in monogatari, but she's not even in the top 5
>I only like things that people don't like
Slutdachi is great because of those hips
Reminder that Kanbaru will never love you, not because she is 2D, but because she doesn't believe in love.
One-tail Loli Snail>Twin-tail Loli Snail>Suave Kaiki>Hawaiiki>Normal Kaiki>Disguised Loli Bat>Princess Loli Bat>Loli Bat>Short-Hair Crab>Long-hair Crab>Loli Cat>Corpse>Phoenix>Teenage Bat>Long-Hair Bee>Ponytail Monkey>Adult Snail>Pigtails Monkey>Devil>Short-Hair Monkey>Adult Bat>Charlie Murphy>God Snake>Hat SnakeNo-hat Snake>Short-Hair Bee>Pajama How Much>Loli How Much>How Much>Long-hair Cat>Short-Hair Cat>Stripe-Hair Cat
Commie made things extra lewd
She was making a self-deprecating joke that essentially boiled down to "You should worry about me if I'm using my brain." Which is funny because she's making fun of herself and also because the same sentence betrays itself. Kanbaru is a prankster like that.
Araragi is the subject of 見える, the person seeing. Plus you wouldn't say ～ほうが良い about yourself. If she wanted to say "take me to a hospital" she would have said 病院に連れてほしい or 行かせてほしい or something.
CR translated the line wrong. Commie has it right in this case, though they changed hospital to optometrist presumably to sound like something an English-speaking person is more likely to say. Whether that's acceptable or not is debatable.
How much did Gaen actually know? Because if I remember, she was the one who told Arararagi to text Kanbaru and meet at the cram school ruins.
>Araragi is the subject of 見える, the person seeing.
見える is intransitive so Kanbaru is the subject (as in 主格).
>Plus you wouldn't say ～ほうが良い about yourself. If she wanted to say "take me to a hospital" she would have said 病院に連れてほしい or 行かせてほしい or something.
Hmm. Maybe? It's not like there's a guarantee ～ほうが良い isn't about oneself though.
>Devil is top
>Nadeko anywhere except bottom 5 and below snail, cat, bee, bird, meme, and Big Sis.
>Kanbaru isn't in top 5
>Cat isn't at least in 6th or 7th
>Kaiki isn't number one
Your taste is objectively shit. If it wasn't a fact that your parents disowned you for having such shit taste and the retardation, I would have pitied them. Every moment that the world endures your existence is the equivalent of a tumor on the whole of existence which the universe simply cannot treat. If given the chance, I would offer myself and the entirety of the Human race to a race that enslaves/assimilates/harvests lesser races and advise them against taking you along so no creature would need to endure your presence. You are perhaps the single worst thing to ever exist, and that is including what fucked-up, Cthulhu-tier shit that we have yet to discover.
daily reminder that all monogatari girls are best girls. you can't deny it
>Monkey is bro-tier
>Cat has appeal and boner power
>Crab is waifu-tier
>Bird and Bee redeem themselves with being best onii-san's.
>Doll is cuddly
>Kaiki is literally best
>Everyone else is memorable, tolerable (even the ones that are shit and/or one-offs) and outright amazing shit
>And then Snake
What did Nadeko even do, aside have a breakdown because MUH ARARAGI? She ate a charm that made her God and then beat the fuck out of Araragi until best grill came along and told her to cut that shit out. She needed crab to explain in what order she should kill araragi, bat, and herself. Even bee, who spent the entirety of her own arc sitting it out, had more impact. Also, beating the shit out of araragi is really just a Tuesday for the guy at this point
These lyrics feel even more depressing with Shinobu
I found it more depressing with Sodachi since it was immediately true for the arc, she was really moving away right after finding some people who could finally support her. With Shinobu I'm not sure what it means, maybe because it's still early and I know nothing about the arc.
That's retarded, anon. Nothing is hipster about liking the Kana Asumi and KanaHana characters.
I just connected it to them getting separated. Araragi, and maybe the samurai.
Sodachi got the least support from Araragi while having basically the worst childhood tied with Hanekawa at best. And she will have to get it together completely by herself since there is nothing Araragi can do anymore, he is 5 years late.
I guess it makes sense. But all the speculation here about Araragi not aging and staying with Shinobu indefinitely made me not consider that possibility seriously, which is why I can't connect with that ED as well.
Well, Senjougahara thread 58 days, Shinobu 22 days, Nadeko 17 days, Hachikuhi 2 days. None are close to reaching the limit yet.
You could argue her childhood ended when she died though. But being a forever lost ghost is certainly unimaginably terrible.
>always great when it's about Araragi and Shinobu.
It had a slower start for me compared to Ougi Formula, which was worse than Riddle/Lost. Most of the last episode was a joke being stretched too thin and the cheapness of this season damages arcs with more action.
>calling characters by their apparitions' names
Stop this you fucking faggots.
>a joke being stretched too thin
Not only that, a joke that's been made several times before.
>cheapness of this season
I hope they skimped out on the action scenes this time because they were saving budget for the later episodes. Not hopeful though.
Everything is okay, Spooky best girl is here.
why does every girl in this anime keeps trying to crack their neck?
I started watching this a week ago and that's a bit unsettling
Because stiff necks are uncomfortable.
They are just stretching.
You mean other than covering up her insecurities and trying to fill the 'lewd kouhai' role that she invented? And to express her complicated feelings of jealousy and admiration toward Araragi by teasing him sexually, knowing that he won't respond to her advances?
What's different about it than in Bake or Nise?
cover insecurities by being extremely loyal friend, sexually aggressive, highly sporty, beautiful looking and wearing sylish clothing and comftorable with her own body.
Some hardcore insecurity covering right there.
She's very comfortable as long as she's the lewd kouhai and as long as their relationships don't change. As soon as Araragi and Gahara graduate she has no idea what to do with herself.
too bad she doesn't show up much this arc.
Nonsense, anon-kun, our Queen will return
>She's a lesbo, right?
No, no, either Nishio just doesn't understand the word "lesbian" means and he used it just like that, or more likely Kanbaru is japanese variation of the typical lesbian who just needs that one special guy, mostly male MC harem master, to make her bi/straight again.
After all Kanbaru in the end didn't get paired up with any girl and her most important person is Araragi now, not Hitagi anymore. Kidna shame Nishio didn't have balls to give her a proper girlfriend than just dead ghost one which isn't here anymore.
>be excited as fuck for what's probably the final Shinobu arc
>it's Shinobu Time all over again but with Monkey instead of Snail
Monkey likes girls, shota, teases Araragi about sex and values him as her best friend. A lot of what she says is just the homosexual banter between male friends just made straight.
>not excited for more monkey
If you want bat so much wait until kizu.
Kanbaru never really falls for Araragi. Even in Hana, which takes place after everything, she's still more romantically/sexually interested in Numachi than she ever was in Araragi.
Also I don't know why you think she doesn't still adore Crab more than anyone. Just because their interactions aren't onscreen doesn't mean they don't happen.
Because she actually shows serious interest in kissing her.
She's never thought that about Araragi. Unless you think she's being 100% serious when she's joking around with him.
It's just you
Pretty much this, if Hitagi agreed to it Kanbaru would have sex with Araragi right there.
The only reason why Kanbaru doesn't kiss or do it with Araragi is not that she likes girls or is a lesbian but just she doesn't want to get in the way of Hitagi relationship.
Maybe that anon who said that Kanbaru using lesbian word didn't know what it meant is right.
If anything blame Nishio, Kanbaru is not the only girl who didn't get any real closure cause she must be "availible" for Araragi till the end of the story and girls can't be shown to be attracted to someone else than the harem lead.
No, Hana comes after it. But you should watch it regardless.
20 minutes of Kanbaru asking to take her virginity for a reason and for no reason are more or less equally boring if you're not a fan of her. They could have made the point a lot faster and moved on, in the same way they could make 6 episodes of that and it wouldn't make it more "2deep".
But Sodachi can't function with him even more than without him.
But it's the one being referred to in the top of the link chain you're replying to.
>implying it is not smile and optimism
Episodes like what? What exactly was wrong?
We got re-introduced to pre-hana monkey who we haven't seen since the start of nise. We get introduced to the arc that is being covered and the major players. We get to see the baddie and what he can do. We get an insight into Kanbaru and how things are not very calm under the surface. We can see that Araragi get's scared of her without his vampirism and still uses it as a crutch.
And we got a ton of MonkeyxAraragi banter which is one of the best ones in the series as they are not so one sided.
This was a great first episode.
so, LN readers, is she like fucking literally satan or something?
right now i can't tell if she's for real related to oshino or just another aberration born of araragi's split personality
You're entitled to your shit opinion.
Sucks to be you I guess.
There's going to be lots more of her.
Reintroducing major players is kind of pointless, and the banter between them is too overplayed at this point, more than with any character, even with snail. And not sure what characters you think has mostly one sided banter, unless you mean solely in terms of sexual teasing.
And subtle insights on the characters that points to problems that we already knew about and know when and how they'll go away is not interesting if you're not heavily invested in the character. They could easily be omitted and implied like CrabxAraragi.
Crab and cat have one sided banter with Araragi for most of the series. Bat does too because most of what she says is exposition.
Just because you know something will be resolved does not mean there is no tension. Otherwise half the series would be not interesting to you as it happens completely out of chronological order.
Sodachi oddity when? She's the only one not affected.
This doesn't seem to really explain why it's
>If I look to you like I'm thinking then you better go to a hospital.
>If I look like I'm thinking then I better go to a hospital.
I'm not saying it isn't the former, but I don't think a convincing explanation has been given.
I hope someone can safely extract it then.
She has some bird thematic, so maybe a swam. The problem is that people already call phoenix bird.
She doesn't need an oddity bringing her disgrace wherever she goes though, she already has Nisio doing that.
>No spooky ougi until the final episode of the season
and I had gotten so accustomed
she's born of guilt and self-criticism,appearing after the loss of Hachikuji Mayoi-chan
He's the MC and it's his story so yes?
It branches out to other characters more but snake is still not relevant.
You sound upset. Is it because there will be no more snek?
The effect they had is still present even post graduation for Araragi, Sodachi especially being on the same college.
College isn't part of Monogatari series though. What already happened is.
No, at worst I'll be a distant husband working on my own life projects while she works on hers and only kind of talking at night before sleeping on the couple bed.
It's still better than what she is used to.
You forgot watching anime and posting on /a/.
>watching anime and posting on /a/.
Do something productive.
If I'm married with an anime girl I'm already way ahead of most here. I must post about it instead of enjoying it.
I have no drawing skills, so I'll have to take the latter.
You can be a writer like her father.
I lost all artistic skills when I went with engineering. Best I can do is to be one of the many trying to make waifubots as hobby, which would still be 2.5D at best.
And it's now dead. You get 2 full threads on saturday, 1 full for each the following 2-3 days, and after those you get mostly slow threads like this unless it's an episode with lots of discussion potential like the arc climax.
Why does everyone hate Snake? She was pretty terrible in bakemonogatari but her break down, interaction with Kaiki and overall cuteness make her at least top three.
>Cat confesses to and gets rejected by Araragi.
>She becomes a better person because of it.
>Snake doesn't confess anything to Araragi but learns he has a girlfriend.
>Decides to kill him and everyone else.
Adorable but shit.
NisiO you bastard. Stop ruining Owari for me with your spoilers.
First it was Kanbaru's book comment to Hanekawa and now this.
I almost feel like Nisio just stopped caring after Oni/Hana. Tsuki and Owari have been mediocre as hell so far.
Hopefully Shinobu Mail will prove me wrong since Nisio supposedly has rewritten it like 5 times.
To quote a classic:
>No-one fucks monkeys and people, you idiot! Once you take a monkey that's a firm decision! You're out of the pussy game. You can't go "imma fuck this monkey on Tuesday, and maybe call Sharline on Thursday."
I half-agree. Part of me thinks that's right, that Tadatsuru and Sodachi were just added on for the sake of expanding the story but then on the other hand, I like Tadatsuru so I can't bag on him that much.
Hana was a fucking masterpiece however and so things are going to look worse in comparison to that.
Numachi actually really ends up being a really good character for a one-shot. She brings up a lot of neat points and is a great example of two of Hana's key themes.
"Good's motive is the jealousy of Evil" and "Even the most Evil of acts can save someone, while the most Good of acts can harm someone"
Kanbaru only helped Numachi move on because she was jealous. Kanbaru herself admits it and it was a good act in the end.
Numachi herself even goes around helping people like a good oddity even if her collecting misery would be considered suspect at best.
On a side note. I came to a conclusion recently. Numachi popped in and out of existence based on who needed Akuma-sama. Her memory didn't accommodate that fact so Numachi had to convince herself she was traveling around Japan to collect Devil Parts to forcibly fix that correction.
Does that mean Mayoi after Mayoi Snail was in the same boat and she wasn't physically around when it wasn't Araragi or Hanekawa observing her?
I have no idea what Nisio was trying to do with Tsuki. It introduced a specialist that to my knowledge had no prior foreshadowing whatsoever, then spat on the established pattern of Specialists being key ideological figures within the story by having him do nothing but spout off some vague exposition and die. Other than that practically nothing happened for the entire volume in terms of either character or plot development.
But I try not to be too severe in my opinion of it because I'm limited to the translation of the english adaptation, and already know that SHAFT has completely dropped the ball on at least one prior occasion.
>inb4 faggots parroting the "muh setting up" argument completely ignorant of the concepts of story structure and pacing
As for Hana, there's so much going on between Kanbaru and Numachi that I could (and have) spend several length-capped posts on it. Nearly every aspect of her character reflects Kanbaru's psyche in some way (and vice versa). For example, you mention that Kanbaru ultimately helped Numachi despite having less than pure motives; It's also true that Numachi was causing great harm to Kanbaru with harmless intentions.
This discrepancy between intent and effect is something that Kanbaru was unable to overcome until Araragi intervened.
As for the nature of Numachi's existence, I'd have to see/read the other story that centers on her skirmish with Kaiki to better comment on that. Her character (in Hana, anyway) is so strongly rooted to Kanbaru's psyche that, together with the ambiguous nature of oddities, there's all sorts of possibilities.
Tadatsuru came out of nowhere. He wasn't foreshadowed which was my issue but his personality is pretty enjoyable so I don't really wish to delve deeper and ruin it for myself for thinking to much about it.
Man, the Numachi business is the best. Rouka God basically explains the Kaiki business and how Kaiki appreciates how Numachi goes around and conducts her business.
Also Kanbaru taking Araragi's advice was actually some of the funniest stuff I've seen. Araragi straight up quotes Tooe and Numachi as advice she shouldn't take and that she should make her own decisions and then she goes along and follows Araragi's advice to make her own decisions.
She effectively overrides all the advice she'd been given earlier in the arc by Tooe, Kaiki and Numachi by listening to Araragi who (while an idealized version of Kanbaru) is still someone who's advice holds no more weight than anyone else's.
In the end Araragi and Kanbaru's mutual idolization of eachother is actually one of the most amazing things about the arc.
Araragi respects Kanbaru's character and admits she's actually pretty amazing that when put into a situation similar to his own, she is able to actually pull through on her own strength while Kanbaru models herself after the Araragi he tries to be for her.
I would befriend Sodachi and help her move beyond her past and learn to accept herself as a worthwhile person and not reject happiness.
When not busy with that I would ravish her hourly until she was an incoherent mess, covered in her own juices and involuntarily spasming and shaking,
I bet she is actually the easiest character.
I have a rather different take on it, personally. I think that all three of them were actually, effectively, telling Kanbaru the same thing that Araragi finally got through to her in the end.
Tooe's speech at the beginning was essentially about moral relativism, telling her to pursue her goals and not worry excessively about moral repercussion (become medicine or poison) because it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme.(humans are all just toys anyway, etc.)
Numachi attempted to absolve Kanbaru of her guilt (taking the arm), and explained it as time healing past wounds and misdeeds. (Parallels Gaen's earlier lines about moral relativism.) She also wished for Kanbaru to live a happy, fulfilled life.
Kaiki, being a pragmatist, went with the direct route and stuffed her with physical gratification (expensive food) and told her that Numachi will help her out with the arm.
The thing is none of them really got through to her, Kanbaru's self-loathing prevented that from happening. One might even go so far as saying that all three recognized the state Kanbaru was in and were attempting to console her. The disconnect between how she and her father viewed Tooe (demon and god respectively) implies that even back then she had this kind of issue.
As for how Araragi was different, I'm not entirely sure. My best guess is that Tooe, Numachi, and Kaiki all tried to help Kanbaru, while Araragi told Kanbaru that only she can help herself. The end of their conversation where Araragi asks if he can help, and she declines, seems to be a pretty strong indicator for this. It is also worth note that Araragi had a very similar personal experience (Sodachi) which may have given him a closer perspective that Kanbaru could relate to.
All that said, it's the first time I've thought much about this particular aspect of the story. Thanks for bringing it up.
Slight correction, Araragi didn't technically get the answer through to Kanbaru. He gave Kanbaru the means to discover for herself what the others had been trying to tell her all along.
I mean not supernatural. Shinobu is European, Hanekawa has her cat and tiger, and Yotsugi is a corpse, but pretty much everyone else has some color close to black. Did they give Sodachi white hair just to make her stand out?
I understand now.
Truly you can't go back.
>Does that mean Mayoi after Mayoi Snail was in the same boat and she wasn't physically around when it wasn't Araragi or Hanekawa observing her?
Well correct me if I'm wrong but weren't araararararargi and cat the only ones who could see her in the first place? In snail's original arc, senjougahara said she saw araragi talking to no one. So wether she was actually around or not afterwards doesn't really matter. I'm gonna pull some tumblrshit and quote Albus Dumbledore here: "Of course it was all in your head, Harry, but does that make it any less real?"
I guess you'd need to ask why they changed her color from black on the LN. My guess it was to avoid being too similar to other characters, and because they know silver hair is best.
Numachi certainly wasn't telling her the same thing.
Tooe: don't do nothing, even if you don't know whether it'll work out for the better.
Numachi: I'm not doing anything wrong or causing any real problems, and it's none of your business and I don't want you to stop me, so you should do nothing about it.
Kaiki: just do as Numachi wants, that's best for you. Buuuuuut by the way, if you do happen to decide you need something, here's my number.
Araragi: if you're bothered by something, that's reason enough to do something about it.
>Hanekawa has her cat and tiger
There is also several well validated theories that Kyoko from Nisio's other novel is Hanekawa after another tragic incident that took away her memories, and her hair goes fully white.
That Monogatari commercial with Yui Horie as Kyoko's VA, some LN spoilers, and that Owari endcard for this ep are very suspicious. Even the Japs are wary of it.
People asked for a Hanekawa side story, this would be the perfect troll for it by making one of his characters an amnesiac.
Sodachi would probably be fine as long as the ones in the study group didn't get unexplainable higher scores.
He probably needed to do 5-10-15 or 3-6-9-12-15.
Wait, didn't realize the teacher answer. Then he abused the commutative property of multiplication. I guess it's like solving school geometry problems with calculus, it's correct but it's not what they asked.
I don't even know which grade this is from though. And it's not related to monogatari anyway.
The big theme of the show is that there is nothing that Araragi can do for these girls besides be a friend. And even there he fucks up a lot because he has his own issues.
He can't solve Sodachi's issues or her family situation, nor give her back her lost years she has to deal with it.
He can't give Tsubasa back her lost years of trying to work with parents who married out of social conformity and neglected her, or that her real parents never gave a shit, she has to suck it up. Guy was also dense as bedrock and never answered her feelings due to his own inferiority complex. She resolved to change, and did so on her own. The only thing he ever did right was allowing her to take in the Tiger, which she was fighting for anyway.
Shinobu he enables constantly, which will come up again in the current arc.
With Hitagi, he almost gets himself killed die to his own issues, which would cause a huge relapse from her due to her insecurity below her bravado.
Kanbaru he made feel worse due to trying to die to appease her anger and completely ignoring the fact that she obviously hasn't gotten over Hitagi.
And the list goes on. It's the girls who have to move on, all on their own. Araragi more often exacerbates the problem rather than fixes it.
No, it's the start of Araragi's character development, with Ougi as the facilitator. It's like an arc to review what we already knew about Araragi before the climax of the series occurs.
It centers on the faults we see throughout the show while giving us some background info.
Numachi never told Kanbaru to do nothing. She intended nothing but to take the paw and head on her way, explaining the mechanic through which she was able to do so (the passage of time) as a simple courtesy. She told Kanbaru NOT to do nothing, to live a good and fulfilled life because that's something Numachi wasn't able to do.
Instead, Kanbaru completely disregarded what she had to say and did almost the exact opposite: She delved into the affairs of the dead and became so obsessed with Numachi that she had a identity crisis as a result. Nearly everything that Kanbaru actually learned from Numachi she forced Numachi to tell her after the fact or had her friends find out for her. Similarly, she did the complete opposite of her mother's and Kaiki's advice in refusing to let go of her guilt even after the passing of time (which Numachi represented) had dealt with it.
And Kaiki, being Kaiki, couldn't do much more than hint her the general direction and offer a helping hand.
What Araragi said when he gave the "you're bothered, and need to save yourself" speech was just a polite version of the message he gave Sodachi: You're wallowing in your own misery and it won't go away until you try to make it go away. All of Kanbaru's suffering in and before Hana was self-inflicted.
I don't know if you noticed but most girl can't solve their problems until Araragi is gone from their lives.
Cat, monkey and snake(however much solving went on there) didn't get resolutions until they were separated from araragi.
It's the same type of false epiphany he got when talking to Kaiki in Hitagi End though. He was right to tell her the truth, but he doesn't even understand his own words about becoming happy. Plus he wrongly thinks she is fine because she seemed to take the news well. Kind of like how he brushed off personally speaking to Hanekawa about the Meddling Cat after Golden Week AND the School Festival, despite making mental notes to do that.
Or like how he hears Kaiki say that he's useless for helping Nadeko and internalized it instead of understanding it. He can't help her because he isn't seeing her for her, but just as a duty he needs to fulfill. He isn't readdressing how he coddled her or his hang ups about her personality.
What are you talking about? Her whole shtick was telling people she would help and then doing nothing and waiting for problems to solve themselves. She advocated for Kanbaru to not get involved and do nothing as well for the same reason.
I wish she didn't die. It would have been great if she stuck around as a permanent sort of spiritual representative like Hachikuji.
I know about the Kizu movies, but Tsuki and Owari have an air of finality about them, what's left to be covered? I'm an anime-only fag and have been avoiding looking much at the LNs because spoilers.
What do you guys think will be in Wazamonogatari? Sodachi and Kanbaru have open plotlines, but I wouldn't be surprised if Nisio fucks off from those and moves straight to something else.
There's a second Owari book that means it'll need another series and 2 more books after that, there's also some stuff from before this point that hasn't been animated yet(not kizu).
>Her whole shtick was telling people she would help and then doing nothing and waiting for problems to solve themselves
Exactly, she never told them to do nothing themselves. It's Numachi's own policy not to interfere with people directly.
>She advocated for Kanbaru to not get involved and do nothing as well for the same reason.
She told Kanbaru not to get involved because her problem was supposed to be solved the moment her arm disappeared. The problem is that Kanbaru was already seeking out misfortune herself.
I'm curious about how his personality and relationship with kiss shot is
I really like the bat motif on his helmet
It's just a heads up that you're wrong. If you need more:
What Kanbaru did by trying stop Numachi with the wager was exactly what Tooe advocated with the "don't be water" advice.
Anon she had a whole speech about how problems disappear if you wait long enough.
> she never told them to do nothing themselves
That's exactly what she told them. She said to not worry about it and relax and she would take care of it. Then she would do nothing.
She's like future version of a lazy procrastinating person. Someone to dump your problems on so you can forget about them.
I don't think Gaen or Araragi were advocating being a nosy cunt. The problem is that Kanbaru had already made Numachi her business at that point, so she basically had to follow through for her own peace of mind.
The point of Hana was that Kanbaru was never actually correct in going after Numachi, but being wrong is still better than being paralyzed by indecisiveness.
Gaen was advocating being involved, she said to take action no matter what.
Numachi was advocating to just watch and wait.
Kaiki was advocating to not bother with other people's problems altogether and ignore them.
Araragi jut said that there is no right answer and you just have to do what you feel is right. He was not advocating the same thing as Tooe but Kanbaru follows her advice as a result of taking his advice.
That was after she talked to Araragi, you turbonerd. My post was referring to her actions before that, AKA the entire story prior to the resolution.
>That's exactly what she told them. She said to not worry about it and relax and she would take care of it. Then she would do nothing.
Wrong. She said she'd just take the envelope, that she'd say "your message was heard", or she'd redirect them to an actual authority.
It's only in the exceptional cases that she's said anything beyond that. She says that time can ease all problems, but as far as I could tell never advocated as the ideal course of action.
Are you Kaiki? She's Kanbaru Tooe.
>I don't think Gaen or Araragi were advocating being a nosy cunt.
They wouldn't see it as being a nosy cunt. It was the sort of decision that they were supporting her in making.
>The point of Hana was that Kanbaru was never actually correct in going after Numachi
Why would you think that?
She wouldn't say anything because most of the communication was through dead drops.
The implication is clear though, someone heard about your problem and will solve it for you.
That is what she was advertised as. The devil that will solve any problem. She wasn't known as just good listener.
Even back when she first started the girl she was listening to she told her she would fix everything for her.
Gaen said to take action, don't worry about repercussions
Numachi said to live life, don't worry about repercussions (because time will sort it out anyway)
Kaiki said listen to Numachi
Araragi said just try and figure it out for yourself, which Kanbaru finally did, and finally understood what the above 3 were talking about this whole time.
Hell, even fucking Oshino agreed with them, and he's probably the most credible speaker in this entire series.
There was no substantial difference between Gaen and and Numachi's messages. Both were intentionally conveyed in a way that seems outwardly negative (in different ways), it's just Gaen's is a lot more thinly veiled because it's only a handful of lines instead of half the novel.
There was a disconnect because Numachi never expected Kanbaru to actually care about the way she lived her life beyond a strictly objective moralistic standpoint, but what she was trying to tell Kanbaru was virtually identical to what Gaen did.
>That was after she talked to Araragi, you turbonerd. My post was referring to her actions before that, AKA the entire story prior to the resolution.
Your interpretation doesn't make good sense.
Like, what actions before that? She didn't really take any action beyond going to meet Numachi and Tooe's advice wasn't against doing things like that.
The whole story was leading to the resolution. Kanbaru was conflicted about whether it was okay to act, but she always felt like she wanted to stop Numachi.
>There was no substantial difference between Gaen and and Numachi's messages.
This is fundamentally wrong. They had opposite outlooks.
Tooe was about taking action even if it's destructive if you think it will help. Something that might ruin a friendship but save a person is better than not doing anything.
Numachi was about not doing anything about problems because they would fix themselves. If your friend is doing something self destructive then you shouldn't interfere. They will fix themselves or destroy themselves and the end result is fine either way for you, no more self-destructive friend.
Kanbaru lived her life hovering in indecision between doing the two. Letting things play out versus taking action. She would try one and when that looked bad switch and try the other.
The point being she regretted it a lot by the time Hana rolled around most notably that she did nothing about her hate for Araragi just trying to ignore it and although time did fix that problem as well she did not like the result.
That's why she decided to be active about helping Numachi, which is the opposite of what Numachi wanted and advocated.
>Kanbaru was conflicted about whether it was okay to act
You just answered your own question. I suggest you work on your English comprehension so this doesn't happen in the future.
I want to protect this smile
>That was after she talked to Araragi
She had already put things in motion before meeting Araragi, as she had tried to phone Kaiki. The chain that led to that was finding out Numachi was dead after asking Karen to investigate, which had been prompted by talking to Kaiki.
>Hanekawa is Kyoko
More Hanekawa is nice, but not like this.
Your interpretation of Tooe pretty much immediately goes out the window on account of it not being amoral. Amorality was the central point of her speech.
I'm also going to disregard you on Numachi until you post quotes of her directly advocating inaction over action. And no, treating Kanbaru like a stranger is not a moral ideology. You're just repeating debunked points at this point.
>Kanbaru lived her life hovering in indecision between doing the two. Letting things play out versus taking action. She would try one and when that looked bad switch and try the other.
This is a big fat .
Kanbaru's entire life has effectively been on halt since she used the monkey's paw. The only possible exception within the story is her meeting with Gaen.
>That's why she decided to be active about helping Numachi, which is the opposite of what Numachi wanted and advocated.
See above on Numachi.
I'm genuinely curious to see where Numachi "advocated against Kanbaru helping" when she didn't even think Kanbaru had any reason to even care she existed until the very last meeting.
>This is a big fat 
She tried to help crab with her problem. She used the devil's paw when she found out Araragi was with her.
She has taken lots of proactive action in her life and regretted a lot of it.
If you really can't tell Ill go get some screens of Numachi saying to ignore problems when I get home.
She repeatedly stressed for Kanbaru to just give her the hand and head and not get involved.
>She repeatedly stressed for Kanbaru to just give her the hand and head and not get involved.
She stressed for Kanbaru to give her the hand that she already got from the very first meeting without Kanbaru even noticing?
She was literally and metaphorically running away from the problem. When Araragi found her she was laying in the center of a dark intersection, dreaming about Hitagi's running form. That is not by even the most remote stretch of the imagination what anyone would call "constructive behavior".
The only thing that made her relevant were Nadeko Medusa and Hitagi End
And even there she didnt act by herself because she got played like a
Yes. Monogatari fanbase by and large has absolutely shit taste, but that doesn't change the fact that she used to be popular.
That's why it was glorious when Nisio shat all over those people in Otori.
Yes you can. The way she explains it to Araragi is that she wants to do something about the current situation, but can understand the other point of view that it's not okay to stick her nose in just because she feels like that. Her conflict wasn't over what she wanted to do, but whether she could justify actually doing what she wanted.
Snake's only popularity was back when Renai Circulation was viral. Then Nise came out and Bat became the undisputed queen of Monogatari for so many consecutive years that people for the most part just stopped posting her due to lack of opposition and discussion material.
If she doesn't know how to act it means she doesn't know what she wants. Why she was hesitating is another matter. But her desire to not bother others with her choice is part of her indecision.
based Nisio saving the day
Tsubasa Tiger made Hanekawa god tier
It's as I described, although the anime omits
I don't agree with putting it like that. I wouldn't claim that everyone acts according to what they want to do. Not doing what you want to do because other people's views instead of your own desires is common.
I don't understand how people liked her before medusa. She was a super bland and generic character, whose only gimmick was Doremon references. Medusa actually make me like her a lot more, because she actually got some depth.
A good portion of the fanbase of any show has shit taste. Why are you surprised by this? A cute timid girl that acts all submissive and needs to be saved by the MC is a hit. Add in her lewd side in nise and she's the perfect waifu for the otaku neets.
Nisio hates those fucks though which is why we got otori and koi.
No because the point is she doesn't know if she should act on her inner feelings or her respect for the other person. She doesn't know which one she truly wants. If she did she would just do it.
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I'd say three of the largest anime content producing sites in japan are better sources than saimoe (actually pretty sure Shinobu handily won here as well) or whatever irrelevant poll you may be referring to.
Hitagi hasn't been relevant on /a/ since Koi and prior to that hadn't been relevant since Bake. Shinobu on the other hand shows up to nearly every arc and is getting THREE movies.
But hey, can't expect crabfags to be rational.
Except he wasn't taking only /a/ as a measure. He said that Shinobu is more relevant on Pixiv, Nicovideo, and in terms of doujin. It was Crabfags who started bringing the western fanbase into it.
You people are really desperate. Just accept that your waifu faded into relative obscurity.
Well calling any monogatari waifu "obscure" is an exaggeration, and Hitagi's still a solid second in most places anyway.
I think what really happened is that monogatari threads just rarely have waifu wars in general anymore.
I don't know if Nico is a fair comparison. Their top monogatari videos are Araragi toothbrushing Karen, Araragi fondling Tsukihi's naked body, Araragi molesting Hachikuji with Madoka edits, Platinum Disco with gay porn edits, and basically 15 minutes of nothing but Shinobu's Nise dialogue starting with the bath scene.
This can't be an accurate representation of Japan's general tastes can it?
>Araragi molesting Hachikuji with Madoka edits
>Is Ougi actually a caring and pure girl under her creepy exterior?
she is araragis self criticism
>Platinum Disco with gay porn edits
Also I just realized that the devil parts were a direct adversary for Numachi. Created by Tooe who believed any action is better than none they give the user the power to make the changes they want in their life, taking away their ability to be passive. It ran contrary to Numachi's way of business who relied on people to hang their worries and problems on her and then forget about them.
Is there an English version of Mousou Express?
Cause it was causing all sorts of mad business up in there with ghosts and spirits and other freaky shit.
It made best girl feel all woozy and junk cause it was so spirity.
>tfw you will never get any of that kanbaru.
I used to but things were getting really fucked up.
I mean it's true that all problems eventually solve themselves but usually not at all in the way you want them to be solved.
I was just reading about Nisio Isin and holy shit.
>In 2011, he wrote a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Novel
>In 2012, he chose Gainax to do the adaptation for Medaka Box
Combined with the fact that Owarimonogatari has proved that Nisio can no longer write.
Holy. Fucking. Shit. Nisio Isin is over. What happened? Did he get into drugs or something?
Also, let it be noted that that Shaft is a fucking AMAZING studio; they could see that Nisio was getting less and less good at writing, so they animated Hana after everything else since it makes a better series finale than Koi.
the best thing he wrote in a while
I was just stating it would be too long with just 1 story each episode. I didn't say which would be the best bet, but if they release it as an OVA they would have more freedom with time. They can also just release it as a short anime series.
I do prefer this length and color palette.
>he wrote a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Novel
Why is that supposed to be bad?
No, nise was best.
This style is pretty good though.