Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1296

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

>>133618610
Sorry if this is posted in the guide, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Is there a site or program that will output the correct stroke order in .gifs like this one? http://www.sp.cis.iwate-u.ac.jp/icampus/u/akanji.jsp Except, rather than adding in each stroke in its entirety, it draws it in so that one can be sure of the direction of the strokes as well? I have a decent idea of the correct directions, but I'd like to be certain.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Difficult doesn't mean impossible, it simply means that you have to work hard.

>>133618447
What I do is just learn how to say the word, and register the rough meaning along with it when doing my reps. Then when I encounter said word while reading or listening I'll recall what it means.

I can't imagine learning the translation every time, especially when most words classed as 'verbal nouns' on anki don't have a straight translation.

>>133618718
Literally jisho.org

>>133618847
I'm functionally retarded, I guess. Thanks, anon.

Working through conditionals at the moment, and I came across this:

先生だと、きっと年上なんじゃないですか？
If he's a teacher, he must be older for sure, right?

The inclusion of じゃない is what's throwing me off here. Could someone help explain this to me? I thought it would mean something closer to "if he's a teacher, he mustn't be older for sure, right?" even though that's a bit awkward.

>>133619140
It's like saying 'right?' or 'isn't it?'

>>133619140
Think of じゃない as "don't you think?" It's a negative rhetorical.

>>133619140
If you translate
先生だと、きっと年上なんじゃないですか？
Into: If he's a teeacher, he must be older for sure, isn't that right?
It'd be like expressing the following:
先生だと、きっと年上です。そうじゃないですか？

>>133619275
Oh hey, that's a really good way to think about it. Thanks.

Do you guys get overly affected by anime? After finishing Glass Mask I want to go see a play or at least read the script of one. I wanted to go see an orchestra and learn how to play the piano after watching Nodame Cantabile and I wanted to see a ballet after Princess Tutu. Of course, I never end up doing any of these things because I would have to leave the house.

One time after finishing a Gundam series I wanted to become an aeronautical engineer.

I wish I could become passionate about something in my life.

>>133619664
I usually just want to fap after. Does that count?

>>133619664
You're a perfect tool for greedy corporations.

>>133620033
Yes. I stay at home and almost never buy anything. Greedy corporations love me.

I wonder if we appear fluent to Japanese people, when we email short messages like:
どちらでもいいですよ
It's short, and is practically a staple sentence that any Japanese person would say. So, if we just send a sentence like that... I would if, the receiver would extrapolate us to be fluent.
For example, if I emailed someone in Japanese
>Do you prefer cats or dogs?
And they replied
>I like them both.
I would definitely think they're like, fluent, even if they would have said "When dogs comes to loud cat but quieter slight preference".

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Hey DJT, I've finally motivated myself to actually try and learn Japanese today.

So I've been using realkana for the past few hours, trying to memorize Hiragana. But I'm not sure what to do exactly.

Am I supposed to memorize the hiragana first, or the pronunciation of it first?

>>133621157
How else would you memorize the except for the pronunciation?

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/k/ made me do it.
Now I have to read it.

Anyone on Windows 10? Is everything working fine? (chiitrans lite, rikai realtime import, VNs, etc.)

>>133619664
Sometimes but it usually goes away pretty quickly

>>133621236
>No furigana
You were right, guys. They were a crutch.

Oh boy.

>>133621157
You draw the squiggles and repeat the sounds until you don't forget either of them. Why are you overcomplicating something so simple?

>>133621236
What does /k/ have to do with Horo?

>>133619664
I'm pretty emotionally unstable... So I'll be on the verge of tears all throughout any anime that has anything to do with the power of friendship and girls trying their best to achieve their goals and so on. Even if it's just stupid bullshit like idol anime.

あっちゅう
bless you

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If fish oil improves your japanese, does that mean alcohol will worsen it? Because, oh fuck

>>133621590
For whatever reason, /k/ommandos love it. Some even have patches of Holo. A few weeks ago it was brought up in a thread and I semi-impulse bought Volume 1.

>>133621974
>being a degenerate 酔っぱらい
Stop.

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>>133622124
I only do it when I feel like shit, and helps me stop worrying about things. Alcohol is always there for me when Im down, water and fish oil only like me when Im a champ. Why should I prefer healthy beverages over my sweet alcohol?

>>133622217
>I'm sad so to feel better I'm going to poison myself
Sounds fun

>>133621974
Oh, I haven't taken my fish oil/vitamins for several weeks. I completely forgot about them. Thanks for the reminder.

>>133622217
>when I feel like shit
Stop letting yourself feel like shit, then. Get a self help book or some shit.

>>133622269
Stop being a preachy buzzkill. Have you ever even enjoyed alcohol in your life or are you just enjoying your perceived moral ground because you never really had a reason to try alcohol?

>Fish oil & vitamins.
Don't do shit.

>>133621418
I guess I was just overthinking it then.
Thanks.

>>133622338
My friend was depressed for a while, turned out that he had a thyroid problem, all it took was some hormones (not estrogen) and everything sorted out and he felt way better. Sometimes, it's just out of your control

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>>133622269
>>133622338
You're right anon. Alcohol is only a poison that emulates or tries to copy what happiness is. I must strive for true happiness, and not abandon her when I dont feel happy. Water is always my true lover, and is the perfect one for me. Its up to me for being happy and water keeps me healthy. I love water and being happy, alcohol is just emulating my water and happiness. And I will work hard for my water. But life isn't always water, fish oil, and alcohol.
>>133622338
どういたしまして

>>133600204
>>133600661

Then how is "Technical Sergeant [insert surname]" or "Gunnery Sergeant [insert surname]" translated like "___-gunso (Sergeant __)" or "___-socho (Master Sergeant ___)?"

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Does there actually exist a faction of people who don't like よつばと！? Please tell me it's a myth.

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>>133623332

why is democracy written as 民主主義, and not 民々主義 ?

>>133622362
They do if you have avitaminosis.

>>133623429
It would be 民主々義 anyway

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>>133623429

>>133623456
my mistake

>>133623429
Because it's two seperate words stuck together

>>133622217
I'm just as depressed and self-destructive as you are, yet I'll never turn to alcohol. So that's just a bad excuse. Why don't you do yourself a favor and stop? It honestly requires less effort to not drink than it does to drink.
tl;dr stop being a little bitch, it's ok to feel like shit but going out of your way to make it worse is just completely irrational.

>>133621157
make sure you remember the correct sounds or you will sound retarded

i see many tweets ending in マン, what does that mean?

>>133624460
Short for マンコ

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>>133625591

hi :)
I'm a Japanese! Tell me whatever you want to ask me :)

>>133625812
I love you

>>133625812
How tiny is your dick?

>>133625812
Are you a virgin, like most jap boys?

>>133625832
>>133625882
>>133625887
Tell me whatever only about Japanese language ;)

>>133625812
Can you use pictures of your favorite onee-chan character and pretend to be our onee-chan? We need something to balance out imouto.

>>133625953
What's your favorite piece of japanese slang?

>>133625953
Look at you changing the rules now. Okay, tell me how many kanji you know.

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>>133626004
お前たちもう寝なさい

>>133626080
I dunno
Can you tell me how many English words you know?

>>133626126
Can you at least reliably remember all the ones they taught you in school without having to look any up?

>>133619664
Happens to me pretty often. Watching Hibike! Euphonium right now and I really want to pick up the trumpet, sax or maybe cornet but I already have too much on my plate to do so. That being said, I've always like jazz/the sound of brass and woodwind instruments, so its not something that just came out of nowhere

>>133626275
How many breads have you eaten in your life?

>>133626835
DJT has been telling me that japs are good at kanji, but looking at you and imouto, that doesn't appear to be the case.

>>133626955
Imouto is little, dont include her in this

>>133626409
Ya, I also wanted to learn the trumpet after watching Hibike. I watched a bunch of Youtube videos and read some stuff about them even. But then I remembered my piano is sitting about 3 feet away from me and I haven't played it in a year. I think trumpet is probably a bad instrument for a NEET anyway.

>>133626955
I'm not the Japanese guy, I just wanted to quote jojo

>>133627018
That's probably true. There are other things you should be blowing as a NEET.

>>133627018
Yea, I have an electric base just sitting in my corner that I should learn to play first but never will. Also, finding a place to practice that wouldnt piss off half the city would be difficult.

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>>133619664
I thought about working in a game company after reading New Game

5 seconds later I realised that would mean working and my NEET instincts kicked in

>>133626409
>>133627018
Wow, I thought I was the only one. After Reina played for like 3 seconds when everyone was picking an instrument I was instantly hooked on trumpet. Been listening to trumpet+brass shit ever since but of course I still have my guitar that I suck balls at.

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>>133625953
what's your favorite anime in the japanese language

>>133625953
>>133627705

And what's your favorite piece of japanese literature

What would the verb be for "play piano"?
"piano o shimasu" ?

>>133627964
ピアノをプレイする；）

>>133627964

I think it's 弾く.

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>doing anki
>suddenly cramps

now i don't feel like studying anymore, guess i'll watch anime

this makes me wonder, how in japanese society, how girls feel to have their period. it interferes with studying, school and work, which is crucial, do they feel bad about it?

Why is RTK such a meme?

>>133627964
文脈

>>133628095
wouldn't you meme about the best toiletpaper in the world?

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Are you making sure to read compelling content?

>>133628108
this looks like ge/domekano

>>133628108
あれは何ですか？

>>133628100
>文脈
uhh I have a test on lesson 3 of genki ?

>tfw you accept the dark gift.

>>133619664
Yep, learned riichi mahjong after watching Akagi and Saki. Still would have been playing it with local weeb friends if they didn't move out of town one after another. Tried learning igo after Hikaru no Go but it was like chess on crack and I am terrible at keeping track of multiple things at once so I gave up. Tsumego are fun litle things though, I enjoy solving them from time to time.
Also tried learning guitar after watching Beck but gave up. I've found a very convinient line somewhere - "Truly great musicians often don't learn to play musical instruments at all because they are disgusted by their ineptitude while learning and stop before they can git gud". I do want to learn some musical instrument after "finishing" with japanese though.
Started a first kendo club in my city after watching Bamboo Blade. We had to ask trainers from a neighbouring town to come over and hold full day seminars once a month and train independently in the meantime. The club is going strong for 7th year now, people pass their dan exams, all that jazz. Even made it to the nationals once. Regrettably I had to stop training due to illness a couple of years ago.
I now realise that anime had an unexpectedly positive influence on my life. New hobbies, new experiences, new friends. Who would have thunk.

>>133628176
>>133628182
domekano

>>133628152
>Video games are my passion, not anime or manga.
I'm doomed.

>>133628152

>I am ok with porn
>I am annoyed when non-porn things do dumb borderline porn shit

I am fucked.

>>133628270
>I am fucked.
Only if you do porn stuff, otherwise you wont be fucked.

>>133628195
genkiなら、ピアノを弾くが、正解だとおもうよ

>>133628207
ikemen as shit

>>133628207
I'm glad that you actually took the inspiration and accomplished something. That is something I'd like to do someday.

I think I need to start exercising so I can strengthen my back enough to not hurt sitting at the piano. That is the main thing that makes me not want to play it.

>>133628087
You're the semen demon, why are you asking us? You're the one who should know.

>>133627964
弾く is correct.

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>>133628270
Well someone has to be, because these characters sure aren't fucking.

>>133628228
Repeat after me.
任天堂

ピアノを弾いた

はじいた

>>133628612
not saying domekano isn't blueballing as shit, but the characters literally have sex in that manga

>>133628612
What use are breasts without nipples to the baby?

>５年前の段階で白蘭サンに能力による世界征服を阻止できる確立は少なく見積もって８兆分の1…
>言いかえれば世界征服をされていないパラレルワールドの確立でもある…

>そしてその軌跡的条件を満たす世界が…
>８兆分の１の世界がここだったんだよ…

Tell me /djt/, why am I having a hard time understanding what Amano Akira is trying to convey here? Even Kishimoto's made up biology and Oda's made up slangs are easier to understand than Amano's sentence structures.

>sleep schedule is terrible
>inconsistent, which can hit Japanese study hard when you don't get much sleep
>also, have things that I have to do during the day that I can't get done due to the time that I wake up; should be waking up around noon at the latest
>a few nights ago, lay down a few hours earlier, and set my alarm
>can't really sleep; just lay there
>ultimately, only two hours or so where I was actually out
>night before last
>6 hours; not enough to recover from that shit
>last night
>another 6 hours
>ability to remember is really taking a beating; just about the only things that I'm hitting good on within 3~ tries are things that I can recall with zero effort

I really need to get a good night's sleep tonight.

Well apparently you guys are full of shit. Reddit says Tae Kim isn't that good and Genki is highly recommended.

See ya, fuck ups.

>>133629172
Pretty sure they're full of shit.

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>>133629172
Bye

So I'm currently studying Japanese at one of the top Tokyo universities.

Last term I had four courses: comprehesive which consisted of memorising a textbook chapter per night and then doing mind numbing "games" for 3 hours, in between being retaught the chapter we had already learnt and had been tested on first thing. This course completely ignored kanji, yet worked through N5/4. The next course was kanji, which consisted of being given a random list of about 50 words to memorise and learn to write each week, with no instruction as to radicals, stroke order or any sensical kanji learning order. Note, these words had no relation to the comprehensive course. The last two "theme" courses consisted of lists of theme words to memorise each week, also with random kanji.

This term: more comprehensive, where we work through a textbook in class. Fair enough, but it's at a much slower pace than I could do it by myself. This course also expects you to know kanji that wasn't taught in the previous comprehensive course. More theme classes, all as useless as last term.

In additon, as it is a university, there are advanced students taking beginner/lower intermediate classes just for the credits. This means that everyone taking the correct level is left feeling dumb and too shy to speak out in class. Not a great learning atmosphere.

Honestly, I was really close to not coming back for my second term. My university is costing double what a regular language school would. I really wish I had just gone to a regular school.

I took a language course for a different language previously in my home country at university. We spent the classes going through level appropriate native videos, audio files and working through the textbook. The class moved at a good pace.

Has anyone else taken a university course here in Japan and felt the same way? Am I just expecting too much?

>>133629172
You have to consider that when you come here you're taking learning advice from NEETs. Not the best idea. They go for Tae Kim because it's free and simple.

>>133629271
Genki can also be free. The problem with Genki is that it's disruptive to the study flow of most self-learners. Its quality is a little higher than Tae Kim aside from that, but it's not enough to make up for it.

>>133629295
>disruptive to the study flow
Really?

>>133629330
Ask a neet whose first material was genki and went in blind.

>>133629271

>NEETs

As compared to college students who spend two years at a sub-JLPT N3 level?

A NEET is perfectly capable of pirating Genki. Furthermore, consider the pressure that these topics put on people to read native material. If Tae Kim wasn't going to get you to a point where you could get started on reading, we wouldn't recommend it.

Grammar guides are something that you should get through quickly. Then, you start reading native material, and use the grammar guide as a reference when you don't understand something. Tae Kim + DoJG (don't use it as a text book; use it as a reference when you don't understand something) is just what a serious learner needs.

Someone posted the very last exercise in Genki 2 the other day. I used Tae Kim to learn my grammar, and then started reading native material, and I can tell you that it was embarrassingly simple, beneath anything that you'd encounter in real Japanese. So trust me, Tae Kim is fine.

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Guys... why do I keep putting off studying? At first, in high school, I learned all the kana, a few hundred words, and basic grammar, then stopped. After high school I thought I got my act together and learned about a thousand words, most of them from the core6k deck, but stopped again. Then I learned the Yotsuba&! deck, read it, felt really good and thought I finally got it together and would learn Japanese... then I went to 2chan and I couldn't understand them and I stopped again out of depression. Then I started AGAIN and learned a few hundred kanji, another few hundred words, signed up at LingQ and learned a few hundred more words... then I stopped again after my subscription ended.

It's not even that studying is boring, I love studying, I just... why do I keep stopping? I've been at this for over 8 years now, guys. I'm disappointed in myself. Don't become like me, don't put it off again and again. I could have learned so much Japanese, maybe even a few more languages by now. But instead I'm still N5, MAYBE N4 level... I'm the worst to come out of /DJT/.

I'll definitely do it this time, wish me luck guys! I CAN LEARN JAPANESE! がんばれ！

>>133629554

And this is why you absolutely never skip a day.

A day turns into two days, which turns into a week, which turns into a habit of procrastination, which turns into stopping altogether.

That's the best advice that I have to give you. Don't skip days. Ever. Do whatever you need to do to incorporate Japanese into your schedule. Your Japanese studies depend on you getting shit done TODAY.

>>133629260
>I really wish I had just gone to a regular school.
You should be wishing you just self-studied, though I imagine being in Japan is hella baller

>>133629554
I learnt more than you in 6 years of just watching anime, except for kanji

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>>133629554
Jesus Christ man get a grip.

>>133629747
Oh wow, I now feel super good about my progress, personality and success in life.

>>133629825
I'm waiting for the day he comes back and says he's N1. Then we'll know for a fact that we can all learn Japanese.

He's the hero we need.

>>133629554

You're in the same boat as me, except I would say I'm probably about N3. Possibly absolute minimum of N2 of I'm being really generous.

Seriously guys, don't put shit off.

For those wanting to practice holding a conversation in Japanese, I highly recommend skypech.com. I just spent 5 hours chatting to an otaku in Japanese while watching him colour in some ecchi manga on skype screenshare, it was amazing.

>>133630021
>speaking
I cant wait for this day, even though it probably so off

>>133630021
I've actually never used skype. Do you have to have a webcam?
and by speaking do you mean through voice communication or just text?

>>133630054
It took me about a year to get to this point.

>>133630087
Voice communication, I have a webcam but didn't use it.

>>133630087
You don't HAVE to have a webcam, but you can use one.

>>133630129
Really?
Now I feel far behind. im about 10 months into learning

>>133630021
>tfw too shy to talk to people online
I'm like N1 level reading and I have never actually spoken Japanese

>>133630293
It's internet anon. Create a disposable skype account with random name and talk away, it's not like they can trace you ffs.

>>133630340
>implying they can't
https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/search?q=skype&sort=new&restrict_sr=on

>>133630389
*it's not like they can be bothered.

>>133630340
Even if I know they will never hear from me again it doesn't help. I still get nervous as fuck and just really don't want to do it

>>133630481
アノンくんならできる！　頑張って！

>>133630481
You either want to/realise the need to do something, so do it. Or you don't want to/don't see a need to do something, so don't do it. Only bitch ass pussies want to do something but don't do it.

Why oh why did japan have to mutilate the meaning of so many kanji when they imported them

>>133630660
It must be nice for people learning Chinese, that their vocabulary is at least logical in which characters it uses.

'computer' - > 电脑, electric + brain

>>133629747

Goddamn.

Anon, seriously: Go download Hanahira and Chiitrans Lite right this second. Read that shit for at least an hour every day until you've finished it. Actively try to remember words that you encounter, and if you don't understand the grammar, reference DoJG. Attempt to read from the game itself before using any dictionary tools provided by the text hooker.

>But it's sooo hard!

Suck it up. You're not going to be perfect at first. That comes later.

>It's boring!

Grab a more interesting-looking VN, then. Power through that instead.

>The mean people on DJT will laugh at me for using a text hooker.

Fuck them. Are you looking to impress some autist, or are you looking to learn Japanese? If you care about the former, you really shouldn't. At any rate, I'm sure that even those autists would agree that using a text hooker is better than what you're doing right now.

>What do I do after I finish?

You get through another VN.

>>133630940
>>The mean people on DJT will laugh at me for using a text hooker.
wut? Why would anyone frown on texthooker usage? I mean you should neck yourself if you can't do without it after years of reading vns back to back, but at the start it saves a shitload of time.

>>133630940

what do you do if you're too retarded to even set up a VN and texthooker properly?

>>133631069
Kill self, that should be obvious.

>>133631069
You keep trying until you do it. It's one of those things that you can't fuck up, and if you do it correctly even once, then you never have to do it again.

http://pastebin.com/V8ntyNq7

Please report errors, mistakes, and retarded concept definitions. Thanks.

>>133631163
Forgot to say, I only got up to the end of grade 6. The joyo (kanji-j) is all kanjidict data.

>>133631051

Some anons like to point out that it's possible to use it as a crutch, as if that's decisive evidence that you WILL use it as a crutch. Also, they claim that if you're making use of any tools to assist, you're not actually reading Japanese.

Yes, it's not a terribly rational argument, but notice that I called them "autists".

>>133631243
I'm an autist and I don't find it offensive when you call belligerent shitheads autistic, but I really wish that we could get away with insulting them using the term aspergers or aspie like they are.

>>133631324
Oh yeah, "sperging" exists, we should use that more often.

>>133631324

Lots of people on this site have autism, and the term is commonly used as an insult. Looking into semantics for reasons to be offended is a bad habit. Look at intent instead.

At any rate, autists who aren't well adjusted to their disorder tend to be very tunnel-visioned and belligerent, so the insult fits.

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>take screenshot
>text hooker visible in corner
>/jp/ laughs at me

>>133631562
Can't find the post, when was this?

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こんばんは
いちにちごくろうさま
おふろはいろ

How do I go through Tae Kim?

>>133631830
You read it.

>>133631626
A loooong time ago.
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/S12999459#p13086049
I'm not really embarrassed by it, because that was my first VN, but I tend to remember that kind of thing

>>133631979

現在のことであるかのように、９ヶ月前からのポストについてのポストを書いたので、また苛めようと思う

>>133631907
Yeah but how

>>133632412
However you want

>>133632447
Help

>>133632480
Do a chapter a per day or two (for long ones) then

In tae kim, in the compound sentences page, it tells me how to chain nouns, na-adjectives, negative nouns and negative adjectives, and i-adjectives, but it doesn't tell me how I can chain past and past negatives of nouns and adjectives. So how do I do this?

>>133632167
Pretty crazy to think it was nine months ago... It took me 2 whole months to finish that VN, 2 out of 9 months, yet I've read 20+ vns in the other 7 months. Crazy.

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Which one of you faggots took down Jisho again

what is the name of the text hooker that you use?

>>133631051
There are some people who have seen screenshots of machine translators and think that is what text hookers are. Others think that being able to instantly look up a word is a bad thing and they would rather look everything up by radical search or drawing them.

Unfortunately beginners don't know these people are retarded and sometimes get turned off one of the most useful tools for learning Japanese.

>>133632765
chiitrans lite

The last VN I played (read) was NoeSIS and NoeSIS 2. Anyone got any recommendations?

>>133630660
Are you kidding? I would say only 10% are different. For nouns they're pretty much identical -- I'm in HK right now and I could switch between chinese and japanese with signs and stuff if I wanted.

>>133632779
ありがとう名無しさん!

>>133632806
かたわ少女

>>133632860
かたわ少女って日本語版あったっけ？

>>133605988

Thanks for this. Never knew about it.

>>133632846
like 40% of the joyo kanji have two common meanings, one of which is very different from the chinese one

>>133632928
I don't know what this means because I only grind vocab but I'll take your word for it.

>>133633002
Don't actually take my word for it, it's just what I think going through the joyo kanji.

How do people manage to memorize all the grammar concepts on Tae Kim at once?

I'm close to the end of the essential grammar section, but I can't imagine going any further and being able to recall anything even semi-decently.

>>133633142
Start reading.

>>133633142
You don't, it gets reinforced when you come across them while consuming native material (i.e.: chinese cartoons)

>>133633155
Even at the end of the essential grammar section?... Will I be ready?

>>133633176
It's a doggy dog world.

>>133633176

Don't try to memorize 100% of it flawlessly via the grammar guide. This is a common beginner's mistake. Not only is it an inefficient use of your time, it also doesn't prepare the learner as well as they'd hoped, since real Japanese isn't as neat and clean as what the grammar guide gives you.

It's far more efficient to quickly finish the grammar guide and then go in with whatever you happen to know. When you don't understand something, use the grammar guide as a reference. I actually recommend looking to DoJG for this part instead of Tae Kim. Through a mixture of checking the guides and raw experience, you'll gain an intuitive grasp on grammar.

>>133633304
I agree, by experiencing actual material, you'll learn grammar more easily because it'll have actual meaning, plus, the context will help you recall and solidify the meaning.
頑張って！

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最近どんな面白い作品を楽しんでるの？

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I think I'm gonna cry.

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>>133633484
Over what?

>>133633540
I spent 10 minutes hitting again on the same 5 cards over and over fuck

>>133633540
I had about this many today, anki keeps changing my reset time back to 4AM every time I change it so it loaded the next day already. The only thing I can think of is ankidroid on my phone keeps fucking it up since I can't find the option to change it on there.

>>133630660
If the meanings didn't change Japanese would have to be a tonal language like chinese is.

>>133633567
Who cares? You'll get it eventually as long as you don't skip days even it takes a week of seeing it everyday.

Here we go with the fucking meaningless anki stats again.

Word of the day: 顔射

>>133633628
But anon, japanese is a tonal language.

What you just said is nonsense anyways.

>>133633635
Thanks. I will ganbatte.

>>133633653
Thanks doc

>>133633581
There's nothing like thinking you're almost done and then suddenly having 250 more cards

>>133633653
>顔射
>face
>shoot (i.e. 射精)

and to think there are people that said kanji was dumb

>>133633567
That's when you walk away from your computer for five minutes and get something to eat.

>>133633653
t-thanks anon, i needed to know that

>>133630660
I find it amusing that the kanji for "study" means "reluctantly" in chinese.

>>133633732
>shoot cum on partner's face
>face
>shoot (i.e. cum)

>>133633943
*force yourself even though you don't want to

>>133621236
>>133621404
A lot easier to read with a Kindle.

Just started reading Hanahira. I don't even have to use the texthooker most of the time.

>>133633732
あとで感謝する

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>>133634579
How do I get chiitrans lite to handle this correctly? I know what it's doing, but.

What does "Xしないでくれる!?" mean (where Xし is any verb)?

>>133634777
Where X is a verb? What kind of verb?

>>133634777
Won't you stop doing X!?

>>133634804
いじめる

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こんばんは。おねえちゃん

>>133634904
いじめないでくれる = いじめないでください
>Don't tease me! / Stop teasing me!
I think.

>>133629747
People who measure their learning time in years rather than hours need slapping

>>133635008
Can anyone confirm this? My only doubt comes from it not being いじめないでくれ

>>133633659
pitch is not tone

>>133635227
Exactly, I'm not one of the people who answered, but dictionary form verb + する isn't something I'm familiar with either.

>>133635316
pitch accent is tonal

>>133635322
In the context of "tonal languages", pitch does not count as a "tone"

No debate here

>>133622217
Take phenibut, it's like alcohol but it doesn't make you stupid.

>>133635214
Spending 1000 hours learning over 1 year is lesser in terms of neural adaptation than the same amount of hours over 2 years. One is local while the other is more distal.


>>133635227
いじめないでください
いじめないでくれる
いじめないでくれない
いじめないでくれないと
いじめないでくれ
いじめるということしないで
いじめるとだめ
とか
More or less expressing the desire for someone to stop teasing.

>>133635439
>Spending 1000 hours learning over 1 year is lesser in terms of neural adaptation than the same amount of hours over 2 years.
What?

>>133635339
Then the guy who said "it would have to be a tonal language" is triple wrong

>>133635320
I was not clear. In my particular example, it's いじめないでくれる. I earlier asked for Xしないでくれる!?, where I was meaning that Xし is any verb in the negative request form (やらないで、死なないで、けんかしないで, etc)

I would think what >>133635008 said is correct, if not for the phrase いじめないでくれ which certainly does exist and has that meaning. I assume いじめないでくれ!? is not the same as いじめないでくれる!?

>>133635503
Oh, alright. That's what confused me.
If that's your doubt, then yes, it's the same. The る is often dropped. Females will usually be using the longer version.

>>133634993
>おねえちゃん
俺はチンポを持ってるけど。

Can you use Chiitrans Lite to parse subtitles from MPCHC?

>>133635914
Good idea, try it.

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>>133635914
Open the subtitles in a text editor you stupid negro

>>133635937
If there is a lazier way of doing something I'm going to use it.

Heisig bores the shit out of me. Should I just go through JLPT and use kanjidamage as reference?

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>>133635914
>MPCHC

>>133636006
Heisig and KD are pointless. Just do Core2K and write out every new character you see 5x each.

>>133636114
mpc-hc is free software bruh

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Compelling Content

>>133636157
Windows, the only platform it's made for, isn't though.

>>133636114
>mpv

>1000 words on Anki
>can barely form simple sentences
>marrying a Japanese girl in a few months
>going to live in Japan too

Will I be ok?

>>133636190
>he can't into extremely customisable and simple to edit config files
winbabbies everyone

>>133636177
Reactos

>>133636209
No.

Why are you marrying a Japanese girl when you can't even speak Japanese?

>>133636209
as long as you study all day

>>133636221
sucks

>>133636209
If you have a year you'll be ok.

If you have six months you'll have it hard.

If you have three months, time to get studying 12 hours a day.
>>133636190
.config/mpv/mpv.conf

vo=opengl:deband
hwdec=vdpau

Congrats, mpv now uses your hardware and does debanding. You don't have to worry about anything else.
>>133636114
There is nothing wrong with MPC-HC.
>>133636177
You don't have free hardware, either.

If you have a recent intel CPU and you're using onboard networking, you have a RAM-reading backdoor built into your hardware.

If you can force the platform to behave in a nonmalicious way, it's fine to use it daily with free software.
>>133636221
Wine

>>133636209
Depends on where you're going.

>>133636209
>>going to live in Japan too
I made phenomenal progress after I moved to Japan. It's totally different when you have japanese people talking everywhere around you. After only one month, you'll wonder why you ever wasted your time with Anki instead of practicing japanese with your fiance.

>>133636246
Even if he studies every day, he's not gonna get very far if he only has a few months. His vocabulary will be so limited that he can barely talk about anything.

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>>133636295
>japanese fiance
Yeah right, I'm not going to bother with that just to understand my children's comics quicker

Is everyone here doing default 10 cards a day for Anki?

I feel I could do more but then I fear absorbing too much in a short period would mess my shit up

>>133636329
I'm doing 5

>>133636323
30 cards for 67 days = 2000 cards
add in a month for solidification

if he were to his vocabulary wisely (fat chance, though) it would be possible

>>133636243

Because she loves me and language is not a barrier since she speaks English decently?

I want to be able to communicate with her in her native language. Also, I will be living in Japan from now on and I will use it every day.

>>133636280

Yokohama, then Toyama in a few years.

>>133636295

Actually, she helps me practice with Anki (20 new cards a day) and without it. But I still struggle hard with grammar. At least she tells me I don't have a strong accent and I actually sound close to what a Japanese sounds.

>>133636329
do 20
>>133636350
do 10

>>133636329
Doing 45. Don't recommend it. 20-30 should be fine.

>>133636329
The default was 20 for me.

The custom study session button is your friend if you find yourself overwhelmed. Use it to review forgotten cards and add more cards than usual if you're bored.

>>133636276
>.config/mpv/mpv.conf
>vo=opengl:deband
>hwdec=vdpau
A config like that is going to be inferior to running MPC+MadVR. If you're going to recommend such a simple config, at least tell him to use opengl-hq (preset configuration of opengl with various high quality settings enabled by default meaning you don't have to manually specify them in the config file - basically the "I want high quality but I'm too lazy to read the manual" setting).

Here's my config because why not:
http://pastebin.com/UU3Q7awG

>>133636495
>A config like that is going to be inferior to running MPC+MadVR.
Everything is until mpv gets nnedi.

>at least tell him to use opengl-hq
Breaks vsync on my hardware. Would not necessarily recommend, but thank you for mentioning it; there's no reason not to know about it.

>hwdec=no

goodluckwiththat

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>>133636276
>If you have a recent intel CPU and you're using onboard networking, you have a RAM-reading backdoor built into your hardware.
>implying I would ever buy Intel

>>133636377
That's great. You'll see, you'll love it when you'll start to understand things without any proper explanation, even about grammar. There are people here who understand when it is 'this' better than 'that' because it sounds more natural to them. You should get to their level quite soon.
There is nothing better than total immersion.

Good luck!

>>133636540
Agreed my bearded friend

>>133636276
>If you have a recent intel CPU and you're using onboard networking, you have a RAM-reading backdoor built into your hardware.
this is why you buy intel only for your gaming rig
Otherwise enjoy botnet or not being able to emulate xenoblade

>>133636141
Sounds like a pain in the ass

>>133636540
>>133636567
>>133636573
amd zen production and rollout roadmap where?

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こんな事して遊んでいる住人と理解や話とかそうゆうレベルじゃ無いと思う、お互いを馬鹿と思ってる人間に話は無理

ギャングの殺す、レイプ、金を盗る、しか意味の通じない連中と話すのは無理

>>133636539
>>hwdec=no
>goodluckwiththat
Why use hardware decoding? Back when I used to use Windows, I'm pretty sure all the MPC-HC configuration guides told you not to use it, and most of the mpv configs I've seen posted have it explicitly disabled.

>>133636686
>Back when I used to use Windows, I'm pretty sure all the MPC-HC configuration guides told you not to use it
Because gpu driver hardware video decoding on windows is almost always default configured to fuck up colors/levels instead of keep them the same.

On linux you don't have that problem.

>Why use hardware decoding?

Why /not/ use hardware decoding? Lower CPU usage, work put onto an architecture that's more efficient at it.

Not this guy >>133634777 , but for those of you who know Japanese, why was a question mark used? Seeing what other people suggested, it's not a question right? Yet apparently there's a question mark. Does that change the meaning, or is it just some weird Japanese thing to put question marks when its not a question?

I saw a video of someone playing an old GameCube game that had subtitles in hiragana.

Is that common? Just... a wall of hiragana?

>>133636759
"Will you stop doing that?"

>>133636754
So on Gahnoo/Linux, there's no reason not to use it?

What've you got set for your anki steps/intervals/ease?

I feel like these are all important settings but even after reading their manual entries I barely understand them.

>>133636614
Welcome to language learning.

>>133637102
You mean writing learning. The rest of language learning isn't that tedious.

>>133637040
Unless your particular hardware doesn't do it properly you should use it.

>>133637232
Vocab mining is.

>>133637102
English learning wasn't a pain in the ass at all

>>133637262
Still less tedious than writing drills.

>>133637253
How will I know if it isn't being done properly? My GPU is Nvidia if it makes any difference.

>>133637345
There should be obvious problems if it's not being done properly: hitching, lag, etc.

>>133637329
>writing out maybe 10 characters a day 5 times each
>tedious
It takes like 10-15 minutes. It's really not tedious at all. Just put some (preferably instrumental) music on and write them out while you're listening to it. It's over in no time.

>>133637402
Or just do RTK deck like any sane human being would do.

>>133637420
Heisig tells you to write characters out, you know. He explicitly says not to write them out stupid numbers of times (which I agree with), but he says it is important to write them at least once.

>>133637468
He's right, but the people who are too lazy are also right that writing them is a pain in the ass.

>>133637380
Alright, thanks. I actually did have it enabled for a while but I disabled it after seeing so many other config files with it disabled. I figured there must be some reason people weren't using it.

Any particular reason you use vdpau over vaapi?

>>133637542
>Any particular reason you use vdpau over vaapi?

https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/blob/master/DOCS/man/vo.rst

vaapi

Intel VA API video output driver with support for hardware decoding. Note that there is absolutely no reason to use this, other than wanting to use hardware decoding to save power on laptops, or possibly preventing video tearing with some setups.

Note

This driver is for compatibility with crappy systems. You can use vaapi hardware decoding with --vo=opengl too.

>>133637594
Forgot this.

The vaapi mode, if used with --vo=opengl, requires Mesa 11 and most likely works with Intel GPUs only.

>>133637507
It's really not if you're sensible about it. If 10 a day is really too much, then just do 5. Even doing a small amount like that will be beneficial and it barely takes any time at all.

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びみょうなにほんご

>なあなあ

>>133628087
I was thinking of skipping Anki today, but then I remembered a VN I've been wanting to read, and did a set. I wonder for how long such motivation will keep me.

>>133637594
>>133637653
Just been digging through the /g/ archive. It seems like there are negative repercussions to using hardware decoding in that it will worsen the results of or entirely prevent the use of certain software filters.

>>I always thought hardware decoding was superior if you had the hardware for it.
>That depends. You cannot use hardware decoding with software filters for example. So if you plan on using deband.glsl, vapoursynth or other stuff like that it will fuck up. If you search it up it'll tell you why in more detail.
>If you don't use software filters at all, then yes, it'll be faster in most cases as far as I know.

>The only problem is that VDPAU does its own conversion to RGB, which means that ‘cscale’ doesn't get applied at all, and ‘deband.glsl’ only applies after chroma upscaling (which worsens the result, meaning you get more chroma banding)
>Furthermore, vdpau can't do some forms of YUV->RGB conversion at all, it can only do ones based on a matrix (we still generate the matrix ourselves, though, so you can rely on that being correct). As a counter-example, it can't handle BT.2020-CL.

The trick to doing Anki every day for me was finding some content that happens every day that's boring enough to make Anki more preferable, and watching it religiously while doing reps.

>>133637995
Language learning should never be boring

Except at the beginning when you don't know grammar

Once you hit intermediate, it should be fun, fun, fun (and compelling) all the way

>>133637926
どうやってそれを使うんですか、妹ちゃん

>>133638144
It's not fun mining words to my ever growing backlog

>>133638144
I agree, but "once you hit intermediate" is a hell of a prerequisite.

>>133638216
But reading is fun if you're efficient about mining words.

>>133638216
You don't have to mine every word you think you need to learn immediately. Relax.

>>133638144
Gotta disagree a bit. For me intermediate is/was the absolute worst. That's about when you've completed yotsuba and try reading something else, and you realize you don't know shit about japanese.

>>133638248
The more I read, the more words I mine and the dread of having to do all of them gets to me and I stop reading.

>>133638268
>read babby-tier manga
>"why didn't my Japanese improve?"
>yotsubafags

>>133638144
I know I said boring, but I'm pretty attached to watching terrible video game streams now. I think I might be tsundere.

>>133638330
Are you mentally impaired?

>>133638268
That's more like upper beginner than intermediate. You have to read a bit more to get past the beginner stage. Of course, these divisions are arbitrary, I'm just describing them how I think of them.

>>133638323
I think it would be better to stop mining than to stop reading. You don't have to mine every word you see, specially if you have a huge backlog of words already. Just try reading without thinking of mining for a while.

>>133638323
You can see the problem, but you can't see the obvious solution that is not mining so much? Just read the word out loud and move on. You'll get to it eventually.

>>133638382
>>133638389
Thanks guys, I didn't think of such an obvious solution. I was even planning to stop reading and just get through my cards.

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>>133637981
>‘deband.glsl’ only applies after chroma upscaling (which worsens the result, meaning you get more chroma banding)
Bullshit for many reasons. Pic related is the difference between hardware and software decoding with vo=opengl:deband

As for software filters, you're absolutely only using those if you already have very much CPU to spare.

>>133638348
It's like you get these revelations that you don't know shit every time you switch to a new medium. Like going from SoL manga to VNs or anything with narrative. Or visiting 2ch. Or going to nico live and you wonder when the chinese took over.

Sometimes I wonder what Japanese forums about learning English are like. Is there an equivalent to /djt/ over there, including stupid memes?

>>133638452
On second examination mpv isn't using hardware decoding in that screenshot because of a bug, which only makes me wonder how the hell debanding is working differently on what's supposed to be exactly the same output.

Currently reinstalling mpv in order to double-check that result.

>>133638518
It wouldn't be as fun, that's for sure.

I was massively disappointed by Futaba. Maybe, just maybe, having borderline normalfags has spiced up our site.

>>133638551
Haha yeah you have this expectation that futaba is otaku heaven or something. But it's literally shit.

>>133638551
Why? I never really went to that imageboard

>>133638619
Nowhere as interesting as 4chan.

>>133638639
That's not descriptive. What is there and why is it less interesting than 4chan?

>>133638681
Go take a look yourself.

>>133638551
I thought futaba was full of normalfags too? I've seen people say it's closer to a Japanese reddit than a Japanese 4chan.

>>133638639
Just anime and videogames? Who the fuck actually discusses anime anyway
I can understand videogames but it's probably just the latest shitty jrpg

>>133638729
It's an often parroted phrase: 2ch = japanese reddit

2chan (futaba) = 4chan's senpai

I'd take it with a jar of salt.

>>133638681
No functionality
Very slow/few users compared to 4chan
Most threads are 1 image and no text, no replies
Almost no one posts images
Boards make no sense at all, there's like 7 different boards for anime. Maybe there's some reason for this

>>133630660
>mutilate the meaning
They didn't? Meanings of Hanzi are already divergent as fuck. Considering Japan imported them quite early what you perceive as mutational might in many cases be them using an earlier meaning.

If we talk about Kanji mutilation no one has done a better job than the Chinese government with their abomination of a script reform.

>>133638792
The only reason you're saying that is because you don't know how much of a pain it is to write 4 page essays in chinese in a fixed time limit let alone with traditional characters

>>133638792
>Considering Japan imported them quite early what you perceive as mutational might in many cases be them using an earlier meaning.
Yes because components DEFINITELY don't have a known semantic meaning or anything

>210 reviews while doing 5 cards a day
what the fuck is this bullshit
I have mature retention at 95%, young is 85%

>>133638826
>you don't know how much of a pain it is to write 4 page essays in chinese
Except I did. I used traditional exclusively for all my 考試 while studying Chinese for 3 years at Uni.

>>133638844
What are you talking about?

>>133638938
You fucked up niichan

>>133638962
Taiwan?

>>133638938
>mature retention at 95%
>5 cards a day
Anki isn't for you.

what's the best Chinese to learn

>>133639049
the one your favorite chinese cartoon uses

>>133639049
Cantonese is a real language at least.

>>133638525
Results:

vdpau debands relatively less by default because vdpau has already converted to RGB. Keep reading.

chroma-luma colorspaces don't perfectly correspond to RGB. The best chroma-luma colorspace for storing RGB data is YCgCo, which only needs two extra bits per channel in order to losslessly store the original data. It also decorrelates chroma from luma Extremly Well; much, much better than YUV, where red and black share the same luma.

When you convert 8-bit YUV data to RGB, the dynamic range of the signal is increased. If the YUV data wasn't dithered or was compressed (hint: everything you watched was compressed), this widens the distance in intensity between bands.

You need to increase deband-threshold to compensate for the "premature" "expansion" of the video signal. That's all.

/g/ anon doesn't really know what he's talking about as per typical.

>>133639069
aah
my friend speaks that one

>>133639069
I'm not very knowledgeable of Chinese, but what's wrong with Mandarin?

http://strawpoll.me/6029664

>>133639284
>No little girl option

>>133639284
>>133639300
>no 俺わ日本 option

>>133639284
>no 男の娘

Better poll
http://strawpoll.me/6029694

>>133639269
>Mandarin
It's a bit Frankensteinish. Very few Chinks actually speak the "pure" Mandarin that the states promote, all are heavily flavored by regional dialects and regional quirks.

>>133639372
>No ふたなり option.

>>133639382
You mean everyone speaks a creole of the constructed "Mandarin" "dialect" with their own actual native regional language

>>133638147
男の子が男か女かの議論は、なあなあにしておくべきだとおもうよ

>>133639433
よくわからない
それってどういう意味？

>>133639408
Is it much different from Japanese dialects?

>私の指が痛いです。 (when seeing doctor)
>その患者は足の手術数が必要です。(nurse to surgeon)
I really don't understand how these vague body part words which can refer to totally different body parts don't cause problems in day to day life. How do they not have different words for finger and toe, or leg and foot? What if a surgeon accidentally amputated someone's entire leg instead of just their foot because he thought 足=leg?

>>133639522
Depends on what you mean by japanese dialect and what you mean by "is it much different"

>>133639534
>数
Fug, how did that get there? Just ignore that.

>>133639382
Still, wouldn't Mandarin be the best language to learn if you plan to travel around China? Just like Tokyo dialect is the best to learn if you plan to travel around Japan since it's well understood, even if not spoken, all around Japan.

>>133639534
足 = foot
脚 = leg
Both are read as ashi though.
Toes are 足の指

How much does knowing Chinese help in learning Japanese?

>>133639578
Why the fuck would you want to travel around China

>>133639624
I don't, it was just a hypothetical situation. If you're going to some specific part of the China the obvious choice is to learn that place's dialect so I tried to imagine a situation where one would be in doubt.

>>133639623
Well if you wanted to know for sure, you would have to get someone who started learning Japanese with no knowledge of Chinese, finish learning Chinese to a fluent level then start learning Japanese again to tell the difference.

But I can guess at it if you want.

>>133639624
Poverty tourism?

>the more new cards you introduce, the higher your short-term review workload will become.
Explain this to me like I'm a retard please

>>133639725
There is nothing to explain, learn English