If you wish for it hard enough, it will happen sooner than you think!
Just fucking watch it.
Supposedly every scene has a meaning too.
>Lost hope for the franchise
You realize that Ponycan has given Season 2s to at least three to four series which sold less than YuYuYu. There is no reason to think there won't be more.
It's totally inevitable, but like the entire rest of the tone of the anime ending, that endcard is pretty much totally superseded by Sonoko After and NoWaYu. Next season will be even more about whatever the fuck is going on with Yuuna than ever.
I was a little disappointed at how Tougou's disability was revealed to be caused by magic just like pretty much every single major paraplegic I've seen in anime.
I know it ties into the effects of mankai and all but I would have preferred it if it we just got a normal disabled character for once.
I don't visit tumblr, and I don't give a shit about the representation of minorities in entertainment. I just found it really cute when Tougou's disability was just "there", she and Yuuna always worked around it casually and she was just a normal girl who happened to have non-functioning legs.
It was something different in my SoL for once, it's the same kind of charm that girls with glasses have really, and glasses girls don't need supernatural explanations for their weak vision either.
>the prequel's climactic battle
To be fair, that hadn't been released yet when the show started airing. Sure anyone could see the accident was bullshit, but not knowing anything about Mankai and disabilities got me thinking Tougou had just injured herself normally in a fight, and that her injury would directly tie into her traumatic reaction to the jukai in the first episode.
It's a great series, but it has one fatal flaw: the ending.
Specifically, the end of the ED animation. Why are Yuuna, Tougou and Karin all talking over each other at once? Did they all spontaneously break out in song on the way home or something?
4koma vol2 cover.
By the way, here is the translation for ARRIVE. http://pastebin.com/bAB8d3g1
Annnnnd nowww it's
Springtiiiime for Taisha and Shikokuuuuu
Sanshuuuu is peaceful and gayyyyyy
We're blooming to a fas-ter paaace
Look out! Here comes the Mankai race!
Springtiiiime for Taisha and Shikokuuuuu
(Winterrrr for Nagano, thouuuuugh)
Springtiiiime for Taisha and Shiiikokuuuuu
Come on, Heroes, go vanquish our foeeees!
10 million seconds in Notepad.
Why is the Karin at the bottom so smug
I think she needs some bullying to set her straight
One of two short VNs.
I wonder if we will have another bonus chapter with time travel.
>people thought pic related was an edit
So how did the show end again?
Did the yuushas just accept that their world will always be on the brink of being fucked by eldritch monstrosities? How and why did their disabilities get cured?
Can some bilingual anon tell us what is going on in these 4komas?
Shinju gave them back their disabilities partly because it came to believe in human courage thanks to Yuuna and partly because what Tougou did scared the shit out of it.
Sonoko After revealed that now the Shinju believes that humanity has what it takes to truly fight back against the Vertex, and the Hero System will go into mass production, allowing any pure girl to become a Yuusha. However, because of mass production the fairy shields will no longer be available.
Yuuna is probably a god or a Vertex or something
Yuuna mankai'd with an empty gauge and destroyed the Leo by simply touching its core with her finger.
This revealed her to be a arahitogami a human on the path to ascending into a God.
Shinju decided humanity was worth saving and removed the other girls powers, allowing them to slowly heal over the next two to three months.
Yuuna spent two months in a coma before coming out to the sound of Togou's crying.
Yuuna's soul spent those two months reliving the original assault on Earth in 2015 and fighting alongside the Original Yuusha in 2018.
The Taisha repent of the shitty way they treated the Yuusha after Gin died and is going to make their work public. They are also going to recruit more girls and field Yuusha Mass Production Types who will have to fight without immortality but will not be crippled by their weapons.
>Yuuna's soul spent those two months reliving the original assault on Earth in 2015 and fighting alongside the Original Yuusha in 2018.
That is still just speculation, don't say it like it is a fact.
Taisha didn't lie about anything but the virus when Gin died, though. In fact, Sonoko told Fuu that when Gin died she felt really sad but didn't think that it was unreasonable because they all knew beforehand that all of them could die at anytime during battles.
The fact that her disabilities come from magic doesn't make them any less real. Even in battle she had to deal with not being able to use her legs. That's part of the reason she believed she couldn't fight. I think they handled her disability very well. We only get half an episode where she isn't paralyzed from the legs down too, and I'm sort of expecting the disabilities to come back when they need to fight again.
So I was rewatching episode three when I notice at Karin's party Yuuna was filling the calendar with dates of things happening in the future, and she already "knew" they were going to do a skit for the festival. Chances are this is just yuuna being her goofy self, but I wonder if there is more too it.
I want to taste a sample of Karin's wonder goo
My biggest issue with it is that they gave Yuuna a very girly, soft voice instead of the excited genki voice Haruka Terui gives her.
Karin's voice is actually pretty on-point
Although they translated Nibosshi into Fishface which is
actually pretty funny
I'd say she did a pretty good job, although they translated "hitotsu" as "number one/two/three/four/five"
It makes sense since Japanese doesn't actually have words to list things, but it still feels strange somehow.
Karin's dub VA is the same one who voiced dub Sayaka, if that means anything.
In general I think that the sub is still a lot better, but the dub is acceptable if you want to watch it in English for some strange reason or you have a little sister who doesn't like to read subtitles or something. It's no Infinite Stratos in terms of dubs, that's for sure.
I'd place it around the level of the Madoka dub. Just curious, why'd you ask?
i went to ax and they premiered the last two episodes of the dub at a panel.
it was terrible, it was a bunch of shitty people that hadn't watched the series before and they just squatted in there waiting for the exhibit hall to open.
i was hoping to meet some fans, but the only fans that came were actual nips who i couldn't talk to
oh that panel? I was planning on going to ax just for that actually. Not all that surprised that there were very few fans. Its pretty easy for anyone that doesn't keep up with airing anime to skip over it. How was the event itself?
Jesus, we don't need weekly threads, just fuck off and wait for the next NoWaYu.
Oh man, what if they go for an aggressive Itsuki with ponytail like in the artbook? Would be fucking great.
Please do what you want, Tougou-san.
Too lazy to translate word by word.
>1 - Karin wants to eat some udon. Fuu suggests they go to a family restaurant for a change. Karin is amazed at the variety of the restaurant's menu. They order udon anyway.
>2 - Fuu goes get the drinks and comes back with a weird ugly drink for Karin. Turns out she had mixed all of the drinks available. Karin decides to show Fuu how to make a proper mix and gives her a stinky glass of white liquid. Turns out she had mixed sapuri and niboshi into a glass of milk.
>3 - Tougou comes to check if Karin isn't planing on distributing sapuri and niboshi for the kids on Halloween. Karin is insulted. Of course she has proper candy ready for the kids, she made a whole batch of sapuri cookies for them.
>4 - Sonoko is really good at Halloween costumes.
>5 - Karin doesn't get the point of giving candy to kids on Halloween. Some muscular guys are distributing rare Halloween exclusive sapuri. Karin goes: "Trick or Treat!"
>6 - Karin is cute.
>7 - Study group at Karin's place. Tougou can't come because she's tutoring Itsuki. Karin is dismayed that they lost their main strength. Sonoko suggests playing Uno. Karin tells them to go home.
I'm too lazy right now but for the first one they're hungry and Karin wants to go to the udon restaurant, but a new family restaurant has opened and Fuu wants to try that.
They go to the family restaurant and they both order udon.
Anon, I was there too because I thought there would be some cool YuYuYu stuff going on despite the dub.
I was the weeb who asked if either WaSuYu, Sonoko After, or NoWaYu had a chance of getting adapted.
>It makes sense since Japanese doesn't actually have words to list things, but it still feels strange somehow.
It does, it's just because every tenet is equally as important, so they're all considered "number one" or something.
It doesn't really mean that they're all number one or anything like that, it's just that you can just use the word hitotsu as a "heading" of sorts for each item when listing things. It means something closer to "What follows is a precept" than to "Precept number one".
Still, like you said, Japanese is not such a limited language that you can't even order things in it. If they wanted to, they could just as well have listed them as precept one, precept two, etc... so I believe they really did think the precepts were all equally important.
>5 - Karin doesn't get the point of giving candy to kids on Halloween. Some muscular guys are distributing rare Halloween exclusive sapuri. Karin goes: "Trick or Treat!"
Why do I see addiction looming large in Karin's future? When will she start exchanging sex acts for steroids?
What the hell?
PTSD nightmares have her wetting the bed? Or what?
I want to believe that the second season annoucement is happening soon..
Or she just have a wet dream about Tougo.
>The series now runs on a brown and green filter
>All yuushas now wear tanktop and camo cargo pants
>To boost troop morality Itsuki composes war anthems
>The vertex give up on kaiju tactic and are now focusing on land mines and trench warfare
I doubt they'll be announcing it until WaSuYu is over or at least close to. They'll probably want to start releasing new designs, characters and teasers or whatever soon after, and that would take away the spotlight.
Don't worry though, it's coming sooner or later.
>terminal velocity combo hit with Karin
I suddenly remember why Yuuna was my favourite.
I meant "lost hope" as in "the series has gone too far into commercial, especially with the overambundance of SoL in side projects and the overwhelming yuri side".
Those side projects are made mainly for fanservice, anon. And I don't mean just the titillating kind. Fans like seeing the girls they like doing cute things, some like to see them doing yuri things, those side projects allow them to give the fans just that without making it intrude too much into the main products. WaSuYu and NoWaYu are a lot more balanced, just like the anime.
Fucking Christ, that English dub is terrible. Completely ruined the climax of the first episode.
I've been rewatching entire episodes today instead of just scenes I like, I forgot how hype I always felt watching the next episode PV's.
>Tougou saying she'll save everyone in the episode 10 PV
I love this official art. Just knowing there's only a 3 cm wide spread of bikini bottom cloth between me and Yuuna's honeypot heaven does wonders for my dick.
based Karin protecting Yuuna's purity
What exactly is Tougou doing to Yuuna here?
These threads kind suck right now. No content and just the same sexual fantasies on repeat, which I normally don't mind but with how long ago the show was, the mind images of the yuushas being depraved sick freaks just aren't as stimulating as they were before
It would be best if no one made them until the next chapter, but since they're here might as well post yuushas and keep potential shitposters from getting too comfortable.
I support this motion.
Most of the rest of the pictures in that pixiv post are retreads anon.
Or are things that piss /a/ off like this.
Although I think this is new. I guess its supposed to be Leo taking over Yuuna- but the effect is not quite what Leo had in mind.
She became Yuuna-nyan.
I'm suprised there are no Doujins about comatose Karin, like Fuu using her disabled hand for
Even with everything else left the same, the last episode would have been far far better if it just didn't make Yuuna comatose in the first place. Suddenly introducing a new problem and delaying its removal until the very last minute killed any happy, good end feelings I was supposed to feel for the last episode.
It's pretty clearly going to be very important in whatever's going on with Yuuna going forward, and it was the inevitable conclusion of Yuuna's pre-Tougou-fight hero complex, so I'd hardly call it "suddenly".
Just the fact that they did decided to create her for the show makes me happy enough.
As usual, I refer you to the confrontation with Tougou. Pointing out the virtues of heroic sacrifice fails utterly there - it's only when Yuuna promises that they won't have to give up the things that matter the most to them at all that Tougou accepts her reasoning.
Also, a complex doesn't imply anything. Yuuna is built up as being a hero no matter what the cost - of course that's going to end up with her making a grand sacrifice, and when that does happen it's certainly not sudden. It's just fortunate it got tempered at the last minute with her promise to Tougou.
If they go a darker route with the sequel and mass produced magical girls do you want them to continue the Imperial Japan allegories and such? I think all those underlying tones add something to the series.
>it's only when Yuuna promises that they won't have to give up the things that matter the most to them at all that Tougou accepts her reasoning.
This argument doesn't make sense because Yuuna always told Tougou that they would be okay. She never told her to accept the sacrifice. She told her that she would find a solution (episode 10).
>Also, a complex doesn't imply anything
A complex is a psychological issue. Yuuna doesn't have a complex. She's just heroic because that's her nature. I know, it sounds like it's the same thing, but it's not. It's fundamentally different.
>It's just fortunate it got tempered at the last minute with her promise to Tougou.
It didn't. She's always believed that if they don't give up, they will find a way out. Still, if Yuuna needed to sacrifice herself to save others, she'd do so without thinking. She hasn't changed at all. She has always been a "hope for the better but be ready for the worst" kind of person.
>all that slow build up to how something's wrong
>girls don't completely loss it at the big reveal
>test things out and slowly come to the realization of how bad their position is
>episode 9 being fucking perfect as the turning point where they have to come to terms with everything and decide what to do with the knowledge
>everything spiraling out of control
>fighting for your belief
>11 episodes of great buildup
>all emotional weight ruined in 5 minutes by a cop-out good end that completely voids the consequences that gave their struggle meaning
I want my tears back.
The girls did nothing wrong and did not deserve to live crippled and emotionally scarred because of shady governments or invading god aliens. The happy ending was the only way it should have ended.
>She never told her to accept the sacrifice
She did, though. She tries to give a speech about how they have to keep going because that's what it means to be a hero, and gets demolished by Tougou. It's only when what Tougou is actually afraid of comes out that she makes headway, by convincing her to believe in her optimism rather than in the worthiness of their cause.
>She's just heroic because that's her nature.
Which is to have a disturbingly intense desire to be a hero. That's a complex, and you are arguing semantics.
>Still, if Yuuna needed to sacrifice herself to save others, she'd do so without thinking.
I hardly picture Yuuna deliberately and knowingly breaking the most important promise she's ever made to Tougou.
>now on Netflix
netflix chooses some interesting choices in anime
She had no basis for saying that and there was no reason to believe that things would be okay. I'd say leading her friends into becoming vegetables without a second thought just for her ideals is something of a flaw.
That was the whole point. They're sacrifices. Their suffering was necessary because without it they and everyone else would have died, not because they deserved it. That unfairness is what makes it sad.
A sacrifice that you immediately get back isn't a sacrifice. It's hollow.
The show wasn't making them out to be martyrs, it was billed as a healing anime in a literal sense, the girls do their best through the challenges and try to maintain their everyday life and by believing in perseverance are rewarded in the end.
It's not like a god is some gas chamber that outputs magical power, it can revoke their injuries as it pleases.
Not that anon, but while I do like the concept, I feel that the focus in writing was misplaced. There's a lot of emphasis on the mankai and how the girls willingly sacrifice themselves to fight for their friends and family.
Except that was never brought up as a possibility and all evidence pointed towards it being a permanent loss, especially the fact that previous generations went through the same thing and never healed. If that wasn't the case then it doesn't really make sense that god crippled them in the first place, why weaken the heroes that protect you and that you yourself chose unless it was necessary to power them up?
It was set up like a system, not a person. Everything up to the miraculous recovery scenes looked like it was building up to a bittersweet end where they learned to accept their lot so that they could keep the world safe and try their best to enjoy their lives with each other regardless of their losses, just like the previous generation. In fact, a good chunk of the series was about them realizing that they aren't actually going to be healed and finally face reality.
Then the ending does a 180 and, with no real explanation, undoes everything. It's a complete tonal shift from the rest of the series, which is more about perseverance through blind hope, denial, and putting on a happy face so that you can keep going more than to achieve a goal. Hell, no one even mentions trying to heal themselves, the only time healing is mentioned is in the context of just waiting for it to go away like they were told it would, which is clearly established as a lie.
The show I think is a criticism of Japan's idea of worshiping war heroes in a religious sense. The girls who originally sign on just to beat back the enemy and protect themselves find out the cost the Taisha hides from them. The Taisha are like the military in World War 2 where they act independent of the religious and cultural leader the Emperor/Shinju. With the State Shinto government, Togo's nationalism and parallels to war against the vertex being unwinabble similar to the war against the allies it's easy to tell the show was playing on those themes.
It depicts the heroes as battered war heroes who are worshiped but would rather just live normal lives, Sonoko in particular illustrates that. The end of the show is the heroes almost betraying the Shinju/Religious Head but save it in the end. The Shinju then decides pressuring the girls and putting the sacrifices on all their shoulders is not a good idea and reforms the system.
So although its not a perfect allegory the series is sort of criticizing that culture of worshiping the sacrifices of soldiers.
First, I think you're stretching with that. The hero worship aspect is only touched on as exposition and we're never actually given the viewpoint of the worshipers, so it doesn't make sense that they were trying to bring that aspect into view. It's used more as a reward of sorts for the show's main dichotomy of heroic duty versus personal happiness, a promise that their sacrifice will not be forgotten by those they give everything but their lives to protect.
Second, a happy ending wouldn't really support a criticism of hero worship anyway. Any criticism would come from that hero reverence and reliance being what forces people into sacrificing themselves (which wouldn't be particularly compelling in this setting since that is the only thing keeping the world alive), but having them turn out unscathed due to their heroic resolve does nothing but validate their choice to put the world above themselves.
They turn out unscathed because their near betrayal of the world prompted reform. The status quo was they fight monsters of the week until they are all logs but Togou sped it up by shooting a hole in the wall and attempted to get Shinju killed multiple times. In the end Yuuna convinces them not to destroy the world and the leaders of it Shinju rewards them with reform the best they can. Except for Yuuna cause she pulled the last Mankai out of her ass or something.
The Sonoko After LN chapter sort of elaborates on the point Yuuna convinced the Shinju to change things.
If she wasn't ded that is.
I want to see Karin and Fuu raise children together.
Karin would be Strict Mom who always makes sure their kids do their homework and take their sapuri every day
Fuu would be Cool Mom who buys them sweets and cooks udon every day.
Except that the betrayers are all convinced to come back to the status quo and just accept how things are as there's still at least something worth living for. They didn't betray as a way of sparking change and they didn't protect the world in the hopes of getting healed, it's all done for personal emotions and beliefs. In fact, their betrayal only happens because of attempted reforms (i.e. actually telling the yuushas what's happening to them).
The story would definitely make a lot more sense if the Shinju had been established as a character playing an active role in the world, especially one that doesn't fully understand humans, but the fact is that it was never shown as anything more than a plot device in the background. Even if you do look at things that way retroactively, you only get a dick god who cripples its chosen heroes without need and gets away with it because it's keeping their loved ones alive.
But lets say we get the bad ending, Togou is prevented from killing the Shinju, and everyone is terribly disabled in the end and feebly tries to live on. Because the vertex will win eventually anyways their struggles are even more meaningless then if they were rewarded.
The way they established the setting as a hopeless battle plays into the idea people should reform and fight in the face of adversity.
I do agree though that these themes that are more talked about in the supplementary LNs aren't properly explored in the show and because they were pressed for time and a balance of SoL and action the message isn't all that clear.
>vertex will win eventually
It would just mean that future yuushas would have to go through the same thing. As long as there are always heroes/sacrifices then the vertex need never win. In fact, the ending does nothing about the vertex problem at all. The Shinju never had the power to stop them so there's no reason to believe that they won't still attack and that heroes won't continue to be used to stop them as they always have.
The only thing that's changed is that the yuushas, at least the current ones, didn't have to keep their disabilities. Which still doesn't make any sense when them being taken in the first place so heavily implies that it's necessary and irreversible.
Maybe it is just a god awful sequel hook and other material explains it, but as a stand-alone work the ending is atrocious. It doesn't fit with the established lore and it weakens the emotional impact of the character's sacrifices.
But that ending lacks any moral meaning, it just cements the show as depicting an awful setting where young girls are sacrificed in secret to keep a 21st century Japan pocket world happy. And certainly if Togou became seconds away from killing Shinju it wouldn't be too many generations before someone else did it.
I agree the ending could be a bit more bittersweet, like Yuuna doesn't recover her legs or something like that but there is no bad ending the portrays anything but a nihilistic setting.
Life sucks and things are unfair, but as long as your friends are by your side then you can still find joy in your everyday life.
Protecting a bunch of people you don't know at the cost of personal happiness is what makes you a hero.
Those are pretty strong morals. I'd say it's the sudden happy ending that lacks a solid moral. And there's a lot of variation a sadder ending could have had, too. It could have been anything from them being bedridden looking over the new generation to sitting in the clubroom eating cake and laughing while still disabled to killing the Shinju and freeing themselves at the cost of the world. A 100% happy, no-consequences ending is about the only thing that doesn't work.
Won't be nearly as good (nor as traumatasing) than watching it when it aired, but have fun.
How spoiled are you, by the way?
Read the first 4 chapter of the prequel novel Wasuyu first or alternate between 1 chapter and 1 episode of the anime. You can found the translation here.
If you're interested then read everything else afterwards.
Didn't know anything about this show to be honest, but the MC and especially these pictures >>133577956
reminded me of Vividred. Damn those clothes are splendid
Though like this post >>133631501 suggest, I also heard that there's a lot of other material for the show, as if due to some constraints it's like a game with lots of DLCs?
>reminded me of Vividred
It's nothing like Vividred.
Into dog days season 3.
If you've watched Symphogear then Yuuna is a slightly girlier Hibiki and Tougou is an even gayer Miku.
In terms of plot, it's superficially similar to Madoka but it's pretty much its own thing.
>A sacrifice that you immediately get back isn't a sacrifice. It's hollow.
But they didn't get anything immediately back. They manage to keep going on nothing but the hope that things will work out if they do the right thing, and since that was one of the motifs of the series, it did.
>why weaken the heroes that protect you and that you yourself chose unless it was necessary to power them up
It was necessary because the all of the burden is being placed on a handful of sacrifices. As a direct result of the club's heroism, the Shinju realizes that humanity is able to stand up and fight for itself rather than continue slowly sliding into oblivion in blissful ignorance.
>Everything up to the miraculous recovery scenes looked like it was building up to a bittersweet end where they learned to accept their lot so that they could keep the world safe and try their best to enjoy their lives with each other regardless of their losses, just like the previous generation
The previous generation that were dead, amnesiac and separated? The show relied on emotional whiplash moments, and it was always building them up bigger and bigger until the inevitable grand hope-from-despair ending. A bittersweet ending would have dulled that emotional impact, and certainly wasn't what the rest of the show was building towards. The darkness was there to make the return to their daily lives important, not because it was trying to be depressing.
> which is more about perseverance through blind hope, denial, and putting on a happy face so that you can keep going more than to achieve a goal
And in the end, it turns out that they were right to do so, and their faith that things would turn out alright resulted in things turning out alright, rather than showing them punished for it.
The happy end is not an issue. It's how they got there.
There was absolutely no sign that the mankai disabilities would be cured. Sonoko went on for years without being cured. The Taisha said they were working on it, but they are essentially a faceless entity that may be nice but may be just as manipulative; it would have been more believable if we had a Taisha character in the show shown to be working hard and making progress towards curing the girls. Hell, maybe even make it Karin.
I too wanted the girls to get a happy ending, but I also think that plot integrity should not be sacrificed for it. Unfortunately a lot of Japanese writers including the chucklefuck who wrote this anime think otherwise; they think that the more characters suffer, the more justified it is to use a huge asspull to counterbalance that suffering. The truth is that it sends a message to the audience that their emotional investment and yearning for the characters to overcome their strife was worth NOTHING since the source of said strife could have been fixed at any time by the faceless Taisha.
But there was a clear distinction between the Taisha, the governing body, and the Diety Shinju. It was Shinju who gave them the happy ending, Taisha were entirely incompetent which caused the conflict of the story.
All tachi have the same body type don't they?
>Sonoko went on for years without being cured.
Sonoko's group didn't show Shinju the power of of humanity standing together. In fact, their big moments were all the exact opposite, first Gin making her last stand alone, then Tougou getting knocked out of the fight and Sonoko having to blow though 21 Mankais by herself.
> they think that the more characters suffer, the more justified it is to use a huge asspull to counterbalance that suffering
It's not a "counterbalance", it's the whole point of the series: things will work out if you believe in doing the right thing, and the importance of the characters' daily lives.
Has anyone seen the dub?
Apparently there is one now.
I thought the show was OK, like some kind of cross between madoka and freezing, wasn't crazy about it and don't feel particularly compelled to rewatch it, but I generally do rewatch stuff I liked when the dub comes out.
Anyone seen the dub? worth it?
You're not the only one.
But I still would prefer to hug Karin.
I want to cut Chikage's
hair and hide her school uniform during gym class
>humanity is able to stand up and fight for itself rather than continue slowly sliding into oblivion in blissful ignorance
The anime never really makes this point, as the Shinju's train of thought is never shown, but it does make sense thematically. The choice between living happily through ignorant hope and facing a dark reality head on is core to everything the show does. An explanation that bringing all of humanity into the struggle to survive and using some of their lives as sacrifices instead of taking parts of the heroes would make enough sense and add a bit of moral grey that would be nice, it's just a shame the show never goes into it.
>inevitable grand hope-from-despair ending
I'd say it's more the opposite, before the miraculous healing of course. It's their hope that leads them even deeper into despair. Karin is probably the best example in that her desire to fight for her hope in a better world sees her unable to move, see, or hear the friends that she made those sacrifices to be with. At that point is wasn't about sticking to the hope that things would get better, it was about finding hope within despair. About finding something worth living for, something worth sacrificing yourself for.
>their faith that things would turn out alright resulted in things turning out alright
Things only turned out the way they did because they didn't just have faith that things would turn out alright. If they'd just done that then things would have turned out just like the previous generations. Them finally facing the truth and learning to cope with it in their own way was changed things.
>I'd say it's more the opposite, before the miraculous healing of course.
Say what you like. The show was always upping the scale of the emotional-whiplash moments it relies upon - the finale ending with the biggest possible one was both inevitable and core to delivering on its themes of not giving up and the importance of the cast's daily lives..
>Karin is probably the best example in that her desire to fight for her hope in a better world sees her unable to move, see, or hear the friends that she made those sacrifices to be with
And /didn't/ despair, didn't give up and stayed in the fight, and wasn't given up on.
> At that point is wasn't about sticking to the hope that things would get better, it was about finding hope within despair
But that's what they did. And since it's one of the main themes and even one of the tenets, it worked.
>About finding something worth living for, something worth sacrificing yourself for.
That's what failed to move Tougou, not what succeeded.
>If they'd just done that then things would have turned out just like the previous generations
Sumi's group never believed everything would turn out fine. They had no Yuuna, and ended up making sensible choices and going down one-by-one rather than believing in the impossible.
I think his point is that they were entirely external to the characters and the story. We never got to see them doing anything or directly interacting with the characters. They're just an off-screen presence. That works when they are elements of a system the girls are working within, but it fails miserably when they're the ones making the decisions and actions that define the conclusion. And that applies to the Shinju even more than the Taisha.
It's literally a deus ex machina ending that has the will of a distant unknown supersede the actions and choices of the main characters. That is the ultimate failing of the ending, the characters we actually know and care about are never in charge of their own fate.
That's because Yuuna didn't have a counterargument. She was so focused on being a hero just to be a hero that she didn't take her friend's feelings into account.
Tougou was actually completely justified in what they did given the information she had
I don't really see this. The whole show had a pretty consistent tone, sans the last episode. Foreshadowing and a slower pace gave it made it more a creeping dread than a series of big whiplashes. That's one of the nice things that sets YuYuYu apart, instead of a big reveal instantly sending the characters spiraling into depression it has them return to their normal lives while slowly working out how true it is and how deeply it changes things.
What moved Tougou was a promise that they'd always have each other even if they lost everything else, not that things would get better or that everything would be okay.
Not purposefully, not directly, and not in a way that is explained in the show. They didn't fight the climactic battle to heal themselves, and even if they had there wasn't actually anything they could do to achieve that. It was shown as a gift from god, not something they did themselves.
She has a very soft, very girly voice as opposed to her very energetic genki voice in the original Japanese.
Her dub VA is also someone known for their soft voice, so it's not an accident.
Everyone else ranges from meh (Tougou) to bretty gud (Karin), and Itsuki's voice is pretty decent considering its her VA's first voice role. It's not amazing, but you could do worse if you want to show it to your little sister or something. They also keep the Japanese Inori no Uta in Episode 4 and 9, which is fortunate.
At least there aren't any ebin GamerGate references like Prison School's dub
>Not purposefully, not directly
If you do your best, things will work out. It's literally one of the tenets. Complain about that being unrealistic till you're blue in the face - it's still what the show is tying to tell you, and you're trying to turn it into something it never wanted to be. If it was purposeful, /that entire theme would wholly fall apart/ - the entire point is that Yuuna has faith in something without a rational basis for it.
>It was shown as a gift from god, not something they did themselves.
But it wasn't a gift, it was the system changing as a direct result of what their actions proved about humanity.
>What moved Tougou was a promise that they'd always have each other even if they lost everything else
A promise that somehow, they wouldn't have to sacrifice the things that were most important to them, despite having no basis for that promise. It was very much not "there are some things worth sacrificing that for" - that was what Yuuna first tried to tell Tougou and was pretty emphatically made to shut up.
>The whole show had a pretty consistent tone, sans the last episode
It jumped between hope and darkness practically every episode. I can't believe anyone could see it all as one tone unless they marathoned the whole thing at once.
Just listen to the first few seconds of this and you'll see what I mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzCWDDTw_w4
It's shit quality and I'm pretty sure it's sped up to avoid getting blammed, but you'll see what I mean. It's not even necessarily bad, it's just not at all what I thought of when I imagined Yuuna in English
I mean, yeah the voice sounded different, but she still sounded energetic and cheerful. Not really seeing how the Japanese voice is somehow less soft and "girly."
Hopefully Funimation learned their lesson with that.
It actually grew on me, but to me it sounded less "genki tomboy" and more "super nice girl".
I'm pretty sure the guy who added in the line got fired, people were SUPER pissed and he acted incredibly smug about it on twitter. I'm not sure why a shitty ecchi like Prison School even had that line added in considering its main audience.
She just wanted to end her suffering and that of her friends. She didn't want to destroy the world, but that was left as her only option. If she could have just killed herself she would have just done that, probably trying to convince Yuuna to do a lover's suicide with her.
>if you try, you're likely to succeed
That is not the same thing as do your best and things will work out. You can't just say that the show is about blind faith causing things to work out when they spend most of their time showing you outright that things don't get better with blind faith.
The show never mentions a change in the system. In fact, the girls wondering about the next generation of heroes strongly implies that it hasn't.
Just a friendly reminder that
yuushas can't love other yuushas
It's also not a very good translation of "nantoka naru".
> You can't just say that the show is about blind faith causing things to work out when they spend most of their time showing you outright that things don't get better with blind faith.
Faith being tested until eventually it comes through does not make the virtue of faith and hope not an essential theme of the show. Things get worse and worse, but Yuuna still manages to keep her belief in everything working out somehow burning bright, until eventually it does. Naseba taitei, nantoka naru.
>The show never mentions a change in the system. In fact, the girls wondering about the next generation of heroes strongly implies that it hasn't.
...Are you literally just denying that the LN exists at this point?
>She just wanted to end her suffering and that of her friends. She didn't want to destroy the world, but that was left as her only option. If she could have just killed herself she would have just done that, probably trying to convince Yuuna to do a lover's suicide with her.
Yeah, hence why I said it's understandable. However if you look at her decision from a utilitarian perspective, it's absolutely fucking retarded.
I'm talking about the show as a stand-alone work, not as a piece in the franchise.
Yeah, but it's not exactly fair to expect someone to suffer for the rest of their life just so that a bunch of strangers can keep living in ignorance. Especially when a bunch of those strangers betrayed your trust and forced your position on you. The Shinju crippled her and her friends for its own protection so she tried to kill it, that's pretty justifiable.
So... you're complaining about a multimedia project being a multimedia project? Just like WaSuYu before it, the show presents an ambiguous ending consistent with its themes, which is then clarified and the foreshadowing and earlier hints towards it highlighted with the next part of the project.
People still complaining about the ending? I'll admit I was a little mad at first, but I came to accept and appreciate what happened to the characters.
Just how did you want this shit to end? If the grimderps had their way we wouldn't even get a S2.
It was the fact that it was never previously established how someone could all of a sudden take everyone elses disabilities onto themselves. Yuna getting better is also never really set up.
>Just how did you want this shit to end?
With them all hanging out together and laughing while noticeably having suffered an extra disability or two. Then you could have a S2 that brings up a hope of recovery and has them strive to obtain it.
Pretending that Karin could meaningfully recover her life after episode 11 would be far more trivializing of the disabilities than anything that actually happened. It needed to show their return to the same normal lives they left at the start in order to make the "new kind of healing anime" idea work.
>It was the fact that it was never previously established how someone could all of a sudden take everyone elses disabilities onto themselves
That is not a thing that happened.
It should be noted that in regards to the end we still don't know how or why they had had to take the disabilities on in the first place and how shinju took the disabilities back. Its clear that there's more so treating this as a stand alone ending is a little unfair.
They could have changed how many or what kinds of disabilities she got in ep 11, or they could have shown her in a wheelchair being fed cake by Yuuna while Tougou watches from the corner.
Sonoka was able to live as a log and still smile and think what she did was worth it. It wouldn't trivialize anything to see the rest of the girls following down that path.
Sonoko was pretty fucking miserable until Wasshi came back
Why do you bump this thread? There is nothing to discuss anymore and the new 4-koma hasn't come out.
Basically my thoughts when I checked out that scene on my blu-ray.
That's some supreme Itsuki fluffiness.
I like when characters get Himoutofied.
Why doesn't this guy draw a manga? I'd gladly torture myself with monthly releases.
This is not okay.
A reminder that Wakaba will eventually marry a man and continue the Nogi bloodline.
And... completely lacking all of her other senses and faculties, regardless of what they have to do with the other characters. Where do Tougou's memories of being Sumi fit in here?
You're literally complaining that an explanation that you invented isn't adequately built up in the show.
>Summer break usually ends in late August
>Final fight happened shortly after school started again
>Yuuna went into comma when the leaves were still green
>She woke up when the leaves started to change color
>In Shikoku, leaves starts to change color in mid November
Assuming that the final fight happened in early September then Yuuna was a vegetable for around 2 months. She wasn't deaf the whole time though, she still could hear Tougou and the others' voices.
Episode 9-11 and the first half of 12 happened the same day and they appear to have happened on september. According to wikipedia most culture festivals are done around November 3rd, so Yuuna was like that for around 6 to 8 weeks.
Censoring it will make it even more L-LEWD
That's quite good. Too good in fact.