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So what makes a true king? >Saber: "For the country's

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So what makes a true king?

>Saber: "For the country's prosperity, a true king should be willing to make any sacrifice."

>Rider: "You abandoned your men when they lost their way, then alone and untroubled by that fact, you went on to follow your pretty little ideals to the end. Thus, you are no true king."

>Archer: "It is the law. My law, which I set down as the rightful king / Right or wrong are irrelevant. If you break the law, I will punish you. There is no room for discussion."
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>>133559120
That is not Rider's argument in the slightest.
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Ask the best king, the one who fucked himself so hard to the point he's know as a vampire, just for the sake of his country.
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>>133559300

In the end, he supported Saber by telling her she was right to stand up for what she believed in. That surprised me.
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Rider had it right. Kingdoms exist so that kings can make history.
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>>133559809
>That surprised me.
Why?Saber was only wrong in regretting it.
The king Artur was utterly perfect.
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>>133559120
What a stupid thread.
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>>133561018
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>>133561623
What board was that?
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>>133559120
>So what makes a true king?
God given rights
Kneel before the King of Kings and Lord of Lords
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>>133559634
I loved the Melty and Tsukihime references in Apocrypha. They were great. Vampires are hardly acknowledged in TM works besides those.
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>>133562355
Well Dead Apostles are pretty shitty compared to Dracula or Heroic Spirits.
DAA are a different league though.
Tsukihime remake better have a larger role for Nero
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>>133562407
It would have a cooler fight at least. Nasu said he had to one up the Tsukihime manga. I predict it will go like this

-Arc performs moon drop on Nrvnqsr
-Nrvnqsr actually survives it
-Then Shiki fights Nrvnqsr

Part of me doesn't want to see it since it would make Arc a worst jobber than Ciel. But I fear this is how it would go.
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>>133559120
A true king actually knows what the heck they're doing. The King of Heroes & King of Conquerors (still inferior to Genghis Khan) need to learn from best king.
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Rider is the one who would have the most people following him
Gil is the most successful king
Saber is the naive one who let her kingdom fall into ruin because of her ideals
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>>133562805
>>133562805
>who let her kingdom fall into ruin because of her ideals
That´s al three of them.
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>>133563101
Rider was just being an idiot and just wanted to conquer everything instead of ruling.
Saber was obsessed with making the perfect kingdom and being the perfect king that it was doomed to fail.
I honestly have no idea what happened with Gil's kingdom aside from being the most successful, monetary wise.
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>>133559120
I would only follow someone like Saber, who fully realizes what it takes to be a king. The other two are just conceited morons who didn't deserve anyone's loyalty.
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>>133563165
His kingdom was just a pretty shit place to live in, even before problems with the gods.
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A true king is someone who if stripped of his rank would still hold the same power.
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Rider. He's the more charismatic of the three and a leader's job isn't to make the world better, just to make his people happy.

Archer lacks ambition, and Saber's dream is impossible to achieve.
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>>133563597
Especially with Gil banging every girl there.
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>>133559634
Vlad is not a king and never was.
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>>133563165
Gil's kingdom existed more or less for the sole purpose of supporting his NEET lifestyle.
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>>133563923
> make the world better, just to make his people happy.
In that partically context both things are the same.
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>>133559120
>Hello there, Seiba.
>Get the fuck away from me, Raidah.
>Whoa, I just wanted to say we should work together to fight Cthulhu. You're okay with that, right?
>Fine. I'll run out on the river and start swinging my sword around.
>You can walk on water? That's pretty cool. I'd love to fight with you at my side.
>Go fuck yourself.
Why is the little blonde girl such a rude bitch?
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>>133559120
Get your lesser kings out of here.
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>>133562805
> because of her ideals
How exactly her ideals ruined kingdom though? If she wasn't such a perfect king then it would've been more successful?
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>>133564313
Because he treated her like a unfortunately little girl who doesn´t know it better.
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>>133564380
If I remember and summarize correctly, she was so perfect and out of reach that her people felt out of touch with her and grew to hate her.
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>>133564441
>and grew to hate her.
They still loved her.The love was just twisted.
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>>133564441
Yeah, but stupidity of that is off the scales. What could she do, make a few unjustly decisions and lose some battle? Really, people just ruined their kingdom themselves.
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>>133564441
>>133564501

There was also the whole self hate thing with Lancelot
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>>133564415
>implying she isn't
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>>133564415
But she is freakishly tiny and she doesn't know any better. People were telling her as much throughout all of Zero. YOu'd think she'd catch on sooner or later.
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>>133564441
What does that even mean?
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>>133559120
Dunno why anyone thinks this is deep. Stay pleb /a/.
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>>133564801
I don't even know why people like any of the characters from Zero and FSN.
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>>133562724
>Arc performs moon drop on Nrvnqsr
She's not Type Moon, no matter how hard he might wish he was.
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>>133564368
Is that Solomon?
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>>133559120
You're all fakers.
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>>133565135
No, it's the Pharaoh Formerly Known as Ramesses II.
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>>133559809
Well, Saber's statement wasn't wrong. Rider only criticized the dehumanizing way she describes being a King as he believes a King must be close to its people and be an inspiration for them which is also right as also feels bad for a girl like Arturia to put such beliefs on her shoulders. Sacrificing for your ideals is admirable but making the position of King look like a life long sacrifice is unnecessary and pointless.

Saber make it look like she's forced into it while Rider pursues the privilege and portrays it with joy and pride.

They're both pretty idealistic, though. What Gil described is much closer to what an actual King was.
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>>133562354
this guy can kick gilgamesh ass so hard.
Is too OP for a grial war.
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>>133565347
>kick gilgamesh ass
How? By dying and coming back in three days? Or maybe turn his precious wine into water and killing him with disgust?
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>>133565347
Can't summon a divine spirit.
If they could do it though, they could just use a command spell to make him fill a cup, making a real grail instead of that mud bath shit.
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>>133564737
>>133564639
The problem is she wasn´t wrong.
What was wrong was her regreeting.
Rider would have no problem with King Artur but had a problem with saber who was what remained when the king died.
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>>133564441
>oh noes she doesn't pay attention to me
>oh noes she doesn't punish me
>she must be crazy
They thought Arthur was their fucking mother or what?
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>>133565632
"Sempai won't notice me" on a nation wide scale.
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>>133564798
I think it was a little vague, too, but in Lancelot's case it was shown as his being unable to handle his unworthiness of Arturia, in regards to a transgression he made against her as king, and so wanting to be punished by her for, but instead she forgave him, and he went nuts.

Something like that, I think. Fatefags please clarify.
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>>133565182
>translation never ever
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>>133565632
>>133565632
>doesn't pay attention to me
> she doesn't punish me
>doesn´t love me
Technically father and yes she was.
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>>133565717
So Saber was a gentle ruler far ahead of her time and her ideal fell because her people where a herd of retrograde mongoloids?
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>>133565717
What's next, need her to bake you a cake, mob-kun?
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>>133565076
How much of a newfag are you? Moon Drop is Warc's signature move in Melty Blood.
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>>133565776
>her ideal fell because her people where a herd of retrograde mongoloids?
No because she was a shit tier father.
Never cared for Mordret.Didn´t even accept ,,him´´ as her son.
If she did everything would be alright.
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>>133565499
And what does Gilgamesh do? Wrestle a bull and build a wall around his city, wow so good.
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>>133566110
No, because if he do that then Jesus will run to tell daddy. That's his superpower.
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>>133566180
At least he's immortal unlike gil who got keked by a snake.
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Gilgamesh is honestly the truest king, and what he says about everyone being important from the slaves to the lords in his time just cements it for me

Rider is just a conqueror, not a king. Saber had no idea how to run a kingdom
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>>133566238
>Saber had no idea how to run a kingdom
If she didn't know how to run a kingdom, how come she was the best at it? Checkmate, secondaries.
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>>133566238
> Saber had no idea how to run a kingdom
That's wrong. Her kingdom was prosperous.
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On a somewhat related topic, can /a/ recommend anything else that delves into the meaning of kingship or rule?

>Richard II anime when?
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Reminder
King of Kings, King of Magic, Prince of Wallachia > The three faggots at OP's pic.
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All your opinions are irrelevent. Fairies have 51% of the vote and they chose Arthuria.
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>>133559634
>this lance

What the fuck is this supposed to be ? What can you impale with this ?
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>>133565499
Christ is literally omniscient. Even going full pacifist, He would need only avoid wherever and whenever Gilgamesh would show.
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>>133565499
Some of the later removed stories about Christ's childhood include him summoning a Dragon and killing it, taking away a man's eyesight, as well as killing and resurrecting a child who threw a rock at him. Dude is ridiculous.
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>>133565776
Rather than gentle, she was neglectful. She pursued perfection and in doing so dehumanized herself and ignored the feelings of those under her rule.
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>>133564798
When the person leading you is so perfectly good, you look at yourself and notice all your failures and shortcomings. Often people don't like looking at themselves in a negative light so they start trying to pain the perfect person in a negative light. A person who scores high marks on tests is a "no life." A person who is sociable and outgoing is called a "Chad." You resent them for no real reason other than they are better than you. Refusing to change your ways to match theirs, you try and rile them up and bring them down. Lancelot fucked Geinevire in the hopes of enraging Saber so that he could see her Anger. This failed, breeding even more resentment. In time this hatred grows and grows until the very model of everything who you would aspire to be becomes a reviled creature who you would kill.
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>>133568233
Gnostic gospels are NON-CANON
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>>133568329
That doesn't really matter in the Nasuverse. If a person/character was famous for something, he has a good chance of getting an associated quality or ability when summoned as a Servant.
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>>133568329
>Arguing about literal canon
>on /a/
K E K
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K
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>>133559634
>dat lance
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>>133568327
So basically the Brits got pissed because their public servants were too competent.
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>>133568443
Keep racial shit flinging off of /a/ please. As a matter of fact keep it off of everywhere. It just weighs down white nationalism with bullshit.
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Ok I don't follow this shit but why does everyone say that the blonde is a kek?
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True best King

Her only policies are "Smash" and "Take for yourself"
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>>133569378
>sjw nigger butthurting
what are you doing here anyway?
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>>133565135
Nah, it's Ozzy.
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>>133566593
right up until the point where she denied the one of her best knight and only 'son' his by the period right in either saying yes this is my son or saying this is my successor. and why because she thought that no one could rule better than her so why in the fuck would you set up the succession line. fuck even Gil had a plan for when he died who would take over
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>>133565499
Have you ever read a Bible? Like at all?

People that haven't read it tend to go "Dude's weak, he can only come back to life"

I f you read that shit at all though you'd understand, Jesus had all the powers even if he didn't fault them to his own benefit.

He commanded all of nature, all storms and spirits listed to him and were quiet with a single word from him, all demons could be destroyed or commanded by him with a word, Legion came begging to him not to be destroyed by him when it merely saw him, Jesus missed a boat once so he decided to walk across the lake to meet his men, he could bring people back repeatedly, destroy mountains with a word, give the touch of death to a fig tree as it dies instantly because it didn't give him fruit, he could command ten thousand angels with a word, you cannot read about him at all without him having some new power each few paragraphs that he just feels like using per situation. Mainly he just used his powers to heal people, because he wasn't down here to judge anyone to begin with, but rather he was just here to prove how a mortal should live.

If you're not going to read a Bible then at least read Saint Young Men so you can at least have passing knowledge rather than going "Beeh, he can only water into wine".

His power in Nasuverse terms is "authority", the power to control the world.'

Its a power that all divine spirits have to some degree.

The fact that the entire fate franchise is based on Jesus and a cup he drank out of once should really tell you something.
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>>133568390
Then are good chances the Spear of Longinus is in Gilgamesh's vault.

Gil>Jesus
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>>133569925
Not like he'd know where it was even if he had it and knew he had it. His treasury is a mess and has been for thousands of years.
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>>133569925
Enkidu = Rhonmyngaiad = Longinus (maybe)
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>>133570053
>Longinus (maybe)
Nah
But the rest is true
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> Gilgamesh Kingdom
> Shittiest place of the Earth by now

> Alexander Kingdom
> Falls half-second after his death

> Arturian Kingdom
> Still pretty relevant and everything

I dunno. Seems like faggots doesn't know shit and Saber was right.
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>>133569879
That's cool and all but can he surf into space or hang out with Mr. T?
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>>133570208
Yes

He once called Elijah and Moses down from heaven in front of some of his gospels, and then floated around in the air and shit.

Watch this vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhEUWobdXqY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bar3GOzDNzg
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>>133569879
> Beeh, he can only water into wine
You can literally kill entire armies with this shit depending on range and mechanic of ability.
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>>133570185
right it only fell to what the Saxon, the Normans and had the advantage of being an island. lets face facts if England had been on the mainland it would had been fucked over just as much every other country there
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>>133570284
Yes, but he had a lot of powers, and this was just one of them.

The general idea is that there's basically no range limit or mechanic limit, since his power is essentially to overwrite the world, except not in as small of a way as a reality marble. Rather you are telling the world "This is how this works now, I'm saying this is wine now" and the world has to obey.

Authority is pretty hard to use in the current age though.

He does have other general powers to fall back upon at least.
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>>133569378
Where the fuck do you think you are ?
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Authority in general would be a hell of a power if anyone ever abused it

As seen here
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Daily reminder that Stella is part of Nasuverse and she's the King of Battlefields.
Also inconsistent Reality Marble for some reason.
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>>133570284
He could give it 100% alcohol level.
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>>133570503
>Authority is pretty hard to use in the current age though

Except for Arcueid. She has at least two of those she can use without penalty, maybe more.
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>>133570670
Edge the character.
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>>133570890
That's Korean Griffith

Who fought against Korean Guts
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>>133570940
>Korean
That explains it.
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>>133570940
Korean Guts was cool guy
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>>133570781
I guess Amaterasu isn't the only god left in Japan
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>>133571172
Not even close

Most divine types are still alive, but they just don't interact with humans anymore.

Also Tamamo wasn't "The main absolute deity", but rather she was "One of the three great divine spirits of Japan".

There are two other ones we see in Foxtail briefly which are at the same level.
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>>133571323
These might have been the other two

The oni leader, and tengu leader I think.
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>>133571473
It's also Suzaku Gozen telling this story, as she's a servant in Foxtail war.
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>>133571323
Isn't Amaterasu the Universe?
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>>133571917
No
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>>133571937
Huh.
I wonder where I got that in my head.
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>>133561018
>entire country went to shit because she was a dumb bitch nobody liked
>perfect king

Oh yes, let me guess, it's her subjects fault for not appreciating her mary sue perfection enough
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Is it just me or K Project basically Enforcers and Executors: the Series
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>>133572292
Just you
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>>133564441
From what I see, she just cooped herself up in the throne, crying over her ideals and drowned herself in it and try to do it all herself. She's pretty fucking narcissistic.
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>>133559120
If they all teamed up could they have achieved Riders dream of conquering the world.
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I always see the same/similar post with the same picture.

Nice paste.
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>>133565776
Nope, she gave the fish but never thought the people how to fish. So she's no leader
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>>133566462
Uh, the Knights of Rounds doing shit for her and Morgan being a bitch?
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Daily Reminder that for all her Evils, Saber Lily was more honourable than Saber, with what not having broken Caliburn for cheating in a duel.
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>>133559120

I think Gilgamesh was right, given the context of the time he lived in.

Think about it. Heroes, Gods and magic exist in the Fate universe, in the olden days the laws came from the Gods and Gilgamesh is a Demigod. His word was literally the law, he also doesn't come from a duality religion so the concept of good and evil are somewhat new to him.

Furthermore, during his time everything belong to the King, heck, it wasn't until the Industrial Revolution that things tended to work like that. So again, it's normal. Not to mention that his Noble Phantasm is that he OWNS everything.

He's a selfish egotistical bastard, coming from a time that justified every single one of his quirks. He's not evil, just out of his era.
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>>133572592

Yeah, but what's the plan when the U.S. summons Teddy Roosevelt as a Servant?

>now you are thinking about Theodore Roosevelt as a Servant.
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>>133565776
Yes. As stated in both FSN and F/Z, Saber was the perfect king who lead her kingdom to a time of prosperity when it should have been impossible to do, and had her downfall caused by the fact that her people were unable to keep up with her brilliance just like in the legend. The details from Gawain and Lancelot's stories of their myth in the TM world both further add on to this by explaining their own flaws that contributed to Arthur's downfall ie Gawain being too much of a blind lapdog and Lancelot not being able to fulfill his role as the perfect knight.
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>>133573067
You'd only understand his ideals of kingship if you read his route in CCC honestly. He didn't actually talk about his ideals in F/SN or Zero so much.

However, CCC does a job of showing how he has some good ideals underneath it, even if he's too embarrassed to ever say them.

Even with Enkidu he didn't want to speak too openly about it.
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>>133573197
>Years passed, and that boy grew into a young man. I acknowledged that the gods’ fears had been correct. In only a few years he had become a different person. Despotism. Tyranny. Coercion. Levies. As much luxury as possible, to satisfy his own selfish desires. Why did it come to this, the people of Uruk lamented. We never thought it would go this far, the gods fretted.

>…But. I knew the reason for his transformation, I knew so well it hurt. When he was born, this conclusion was already made. He was alone, a creature neither god nor human. With the characteristics of both sides, his viewpoint ranged so wide and so far not even the gods could understand the things he saw. An excess of power lead to an excess of loneliness. Even so, he did not give up his place as king. He did not flee the purpose he had given himself. …what a powerful ego, I thought. He earnestly respected the gods, and loved humans. It was just that, in conclusion, he had chosen the path of abandoning the gods and hating humans.

>“You intend to punish me?”

>We met in front of the building where the ceremony of divine marriage was held.

>“That’s right. I’m going to set your arrogance aright with my own hands.”

>What I should have said was loneliness, not arrogance, but I couldn’t do that. I didn’t want to wound his pride. Our battle lasted days. I was a spear, an axe, a shield, a beast. With me, who can freely transform into all of creation, as his opponent, he mustered all of the power he could handle.

>“You — how can a mere lump of earth rival me!”
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>>133572292
Well, it /has/ a Seibaface loli...
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>>133573247
>Was it surprise or anger he felt, encountering his equal for the first time. In the midst of battle, he took his prized treasures in hand. I don’t think there was anything more disgrace for him than having to draw out the treasure he held so dear. At first he did it out of necessity, because he was cornered. But by the end he was throwing all the treasure he possessed into the fray, joyfully, holding nothing back.

>The battle — in whose victory did it end? He had emptied his whole treasury, and I had lost ninety percent of my clay. I must have looked thin and ragged, my shape held together only by my clothes. He opened his eyes and burst into laughter, then collapsed to the ground face-up. I fell to the earth to, and breathed deeply. Honestly, I couldn’t have moved more than once.

>“Both of us have only one move left. If we don’t defend as well, then I suppose we’ll be two foolish corpses lying here in the end.”

>I still don’t know the true meaning of those words. Did he want to say “so let’s end this in a draw”? Did he mean that would be foolish, there should only be one corpse? Whatever they meant, hearing those words, I collapsed to the ground as well, as if in imitation of him. Like a mirror, I thought.

>“Don’t you regret using up all that treasure?” I said for some reason.

>“What. Why shouldn’t I use them for an opponent who requires it,” Gilgamesh said in a cheerful tone.

>After that, I was always with him. The days seemed to run by.

>“There has been no stability in my treasury ever since you came here. I must have caught your stupidity to fight by throwing treasures.”

>He never would stop collecting things, but he did sometimes remember to use them. One of my few achievements.
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>>133573197
CCC translation when
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>>133573280
>There was a monster called Humbaba. We combined our powers to defeat it. I asked him, why did you decide to defeat Humbaba? It wasn’t an order from the gods. And I don’t think it was for the sake of the people of Uruk either.

>“It was to protect Uruk though? If we don’t defeat all evil on the Earth, our people will starve to death.”

>So why, I asked again. He made the people of Uruk suffer by his tyranny, so why was he worried for them now?

>“It’s not so strange. I was born to be a protector of humanity, after all. Building the future of this planet is the king’s duty.” As he said that, his gaze was so far away. So far not even I, who was made in the same way, could see what he was seeing. “There are different kinds of protection. Just guarding things from danger is not protection. There are times when even the north wind is necessary.”

>This time, I understood him perfectly. “I see. So you preferred the path you saw here.”

>He laughed as if embarrassed. It was a laugh like a cool breeze, one he sometimes laughed as a child.

>…I understood why he preferred isolation. It was because the path he had chosen was one he had to walk alone. He said he was protecting a distant future he could see. That was why he had to be alone, hating gods and men. The more he loved the future of humanity, the less he could be involved with anyone. Arbitrator and reaper. The king obtains only the results. There was no way he, who was more than human, could intervene in the glorious process from which such results are born.

>“Well, results may be an uninteresting fabric, but I’ve decided to look after them until it’s finished, so I will.”
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>>133573197
>He didn't actually talk about his ideals in F/SN or Zero so much.
This was the worst part about the feast of Kings. It was just Rider throwing a tantrum at Saber while she suffered a PTSD attack, and Gil just sat there drinking wine and probably eye fucking Saber.
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>>133573320
>His exaggeration was too much for me to bear, so I spoke. “I’m a tool. Something you don’t need pass judgment for. I can stay at your side until the end of the world.”

>“Ridiculous.” I think that was the first and only time he ever felt relieved. “Very well then — That is, — I mean.” So he continued.

>…it was then I was granted those precious words, like a shining star. That was when I truly gained a self.

>I’m reaching the end of my story. There was the rift between Gilgamesh and the goddess Ishtar, and the battle with the Bull of Heaven sent by Ishtar, and then the story of my death.

>The Bull of Heaven was driven off by Gilgamesh and his weapons, the dark clouds that had covered the world cleared, and the Earth was saved from flood. As punishment for defying the gods, I was made back into earth once more. He held me, that crumbling lump of earth, with all his might.

>“I won’t allow this. Why do you have to die? If someone must be punished, it should be me! All of this was my own selfishness!”

>The sky was still weeping. Unable to see, I offered him counsel. “You don’t need to be sad. I’m a weapon. Just one of all those treasures you have. You’ll find countless treasures after this, much better than I am. You see, there’s nothing so valuable about me that gives you reason to drench your cheeks like this.”

>That’s right. I was a weapon. A tool. Not like him. Though Gilgamesh was made as a child of the gods, he was a hero who defied them. He had a soul from the beginning. He had free will ever since he was born. A true life, unlike mine. A star, with real value, not a consumable like me. …I had always yearned for that. I hated it. Why, when we were made by the same gods, were we such different beings.

>“You have value! Value no one else has! I declare it here and now. In all the world, I have only one friend. So — that value will never change, for all eternity!”
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>>133573377
>I was a weapon. As a weapon, I would be changed depending on the weapons of the next era. My value, my mystique, belonged only to my own era. He made that into something else. With the price that forever after he would always be lonely.

>…I remember those words. I remember him in that moment when I said I was a tool.

>“Ridiculous. You lived with me, spoke with me, fought with me. That’s not a person, nor a tool. That’s called a friend, Enkidu.”

>— Ah. How sinful.

>I knew he was weak but I never considered his weakness. I knew he was strong but I never recognized his strength. You can’t say I understood him. But he was completely sincere in keeping himself isolated. I left an eternal wound upon his dignity.

>The rain gradually lessened. I returned to my original form, the earth of the wasteland. All that remained afterward was the cry of the king, like roaring thunder. My story pauses here. I am a regret that has already vanished. What happens after this is your future. You, who are human unlike me, this is your story. …that’s why there are some things I want you to ask.

>Does he still love humans? Does he still remember the name of his friend? Has he stopped worrying about the faults of some far-off era yet, please —

CCC has some nice moments anyway
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>>133573293
There is a group working on it

They've made some progress
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>>133573188
and we say again if she had just thought about happens after her death there would have been no downfall. fucking hell Mordred was the perfect knight you think Lancelot was suppose to be. everyone liked him he was top 5 in every combat skill on the round table and he was bloodline related. had she just put him in line for the throne she would have not lost half the country to him in the civil war. all because she didn't understand the people closest to her
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>>133573627
Mordred is a girl, and in Apocrypha we explore her character entirely.

What she really wanted rather than to be king, was to be acknolwedged or loved by her father who was cold and distant. If she couldn't be loved by Arthur, then being hated was the next best thing, because Arthur would still have to accept her if she turned against him.

Arthur until the end chose to feel nothing about Mordred, not an ounce of love, hatred, blame, or recognition.

Mordred fought her way to being one of the top knights without using her name as a crutch because she thought father would be proud of her, she would see her talent, but in the end Arthur gave her the final curse by not giving her a single feeling unto the end.

Even Mordred couldn't help realize how cold and robotic the king really was as she was dying. How the King could not understand anyone.

Mordred's real wish was to ease her father's loneliness in a sense, but even Mordred wasn't aware of this wish she held at first.

Sometimes you have a kid with someone and you don't want to acknowledge it, Superman went through the same thing as well, but it really does help to take responsibility and deal with what is.
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>>133570876
Wouldn't Arc be a little bitch compared to jesus?
Both literally and figuratively
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>>133574124
Jesus got shit on Arc
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>>133569879
>death to a fig tree as it dies instantly because it didn't give him fruit
That´s a dick move.
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>>133574124
Arc with Ultimate One is the only character in CCC that has a chance to defeat Moon Cell boosted Amaterasu is in turn on par with King Protea who is a threat to the entire universe. Ultimate One is bullshit like that.

Bear in mind that even Buddah is among the characters who can't defeat Amaterasu.
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>>133575088
But Jesus' existance proves the existance of the abrahamic god. You know, YHWH? The absolutely almighty god, who Jesus by all definition is directly part of? The guy that made the universe(s)?
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>>133575239
There are many gods that either exist or have existed in the nasuverse.

If all of them are just high tier nature spirits that are just a part of just the earth rather than the creator of it, then why would you assume that any version of the abrahamic god be any different?
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>>133575239
It depends on if Jesus is related to a literal omnipotent God rather than a God made by people's faith that exists in the Throne of Gods like all other gods.
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>>133575564
>literal omnipotent God
No such thing mate.
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>>133569737
But he's just a Gil rehash.
They had to make an AU where Gil never existed just for this fucker.
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>>133574721

The Jesus of the Bible is a much different person than the one of Hollywood/Mass Media. Dude was willing to left sinners rot in sin if they chose to, fucked shit up when he had to and was a dick at times.

Honestly, Bible Jesus is actually a good complement to the Old Testament God, the people harping on how they contradict each other don't know much about the Bible.
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>>133575654
You wanna talk shit? I'll kill you and all your shitty waifus.
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>>133575654
Then Jesus is probably not all-powerful and neither is YHWH.
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I'd like to know which Arthurian myths Nasu looked at for his history of Saber. Did he watch, like, Excalibur from 1981, or Sword in the Stone, did he read Le Morte d'Arthur, what? The stories vary a lot, so what ones did he use as his basis?
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>>133577385

Probably all of them and just picked up the stuff he liked.
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>>133573184
Such a man can´t be named servant by any means
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>>133577385
>only one
Please.
Such limitations are below our glorious creatoe-god
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>>133562354
if they bring jesus as saver or lancer (remeber his holy spear) i'm going to buy times all the damnt things that came out from nasu mind in a single goddamnt box
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>>133582625
What?
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>>133582773
If Jesus appears as a Saviour or Lancer, he'll buy all the Nasu stuff. Aaaaaaaall of it.
I think?
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Alexandra best Princess
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>>133573627
>Mordred was the perfect knight

Mordred did not have a fucking inkling of the character needed to either be a proper knight or a proper king. Even her own remembrance of the revolt acknowledges that everyone who followed her was a fucking easily-swayed idiot for doing so.

Yes, everyone liked her. Also, she flat out says that she wouldn't give a shit of they all burned. She was simply a vehicle for everyone's pent-up jealousy and selfish petty dissatisfactions, someone who rolled about and told them exactly what they wanted to hear to start a revolt against someone they resented from Day 1. The knights didn't hate Arturia because of something she did during their rule, they hated her from the start out of jealousy, and were forced to keep their mouths shut during her reign because there was nothing they could find fault on. All Mordred did was enable their petty bullshit. That's what her "charisma" amounted to for them.
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>>133565632
Broadly speaking, yes. Lancelot's bit in Garden of Avalon is just the cherry on top of what a colossal band of fucking selfish crybabies she had to deal with.

There's a very distinct line between the attention whores like Lancelot and Mordred that push their own insecurities on her, and the sane ones that realize she works her fucking ass off, and as much as it might pain them to see her struggle, they shouldn't fucking pile on it (Kay and Bediviere). Gawain existed in a sort of middle ground where he was just so fucking starstruck that he convinced himself she was perfect and flawless and didn't quite see her properly as a person.

A fun bit is that Agravain, who was Morgan's spy, actually appear genuinely disgusted with Guinevere and Lancelot, as if going "Look, I'm actively plotting her demise and even I think you're a pair of dicks."
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>>133570185
Britainland got where it is thanks to Victoria and Elizabeth. Not Saber's efforts.
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>>133559120

Those aren't their parallel arguments; You've got Saber's and Archers, but Rider's argument was about being a paragon of humanity.

They're all correct, because they're different kinds of kings.

Saber is the king of heaven,
Archer is the king of earth,
and Rider is the king of men.
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