This time with new material, 10 11 and 12 are out. https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index:NT_Volume14_Chapter_2#Part_10
>As Kamijou tried to calm the girl, fifteen centimeter Othinus pressed her index finger against her temple.
>“So this is what the Japanese idiom ‘poison for the eyes’ refers to. I thought you needed the thought-process of Japan’s culture of shame to understand it, but now I understand all too well.”
>“Yes. As a god, receiving insufficient offerings is not exactly fun.”
>“C’mon, can’t we start seriously worrying about dinner now?” asked Kamijou. “I know Birdway is in a lot of trouble, but doesn’t that mean we need to be able to bring our A game!? …Ah.”
>Meanwhile Birdway gave an exasperated sigh.
>“The amateur high school boy is one thing, but the rest of you are a grimoire library or a Magic God that was willing to kill herself for her ceremony. I’m pretty sure you can control your autonomic nerves and thus control your digestive system.”
>“What? Why do you look so lost in thought?”
>Birdway looked to Kamijou in confusion as he silently looked down.
>More specifically, he looked down at the hand on his pants pocket.
>“This is…bad. I was hoping to save us, but I might have just thrown new fuel on the fire. However, even if it might help us get through this, keeping quiet isn’t my style.”
>“Get to the point.”
>“What if… Hypothetically now, Birdway.”
>Kamijou Touma began speaking in a heavy, heavy voice as he slowly slid a hand into his pocket.
>“What if the vacuum sealed fish sausage I got while trading with my classmates at an early lunch just so happened to still be right here in-…”
>He was not allowed to finish.
>The girls rushed forward to devour Kamijou Touma’s sausage.
Dem harem antics and interactions. Kamachi doing what he does best.
>Touma and his harem so broke they're fighting over a single fish sausage
>Kamisato and his harem wasting food by ruining it with chemicals and then just going out for dinner
The contrast just makes Touma's situation hurt all the more
>The first to burst into tears was Index.
>She held a hand to her mouth, collapsed to the side, and began wailing.
Smile status: not protected.
If a thread is up already discussing Part 6 or whatever it was, I don't generally feel it's worth making a new thread if Part 8 pops up while it's still up, the thread was alive for a couple hours after so whatever.
>Kamisato Kakeru was smiling happily while surrounded by all those girls.
>But to Patricia’s eyes, his smile looked somehow twisted in pain.
No one sees how much Kamisato just wants to punch bad guys on his own.
>“There were always children running around him and they would always interrupt our conversations. They would step on my tail, pull on my ears and tongue, or even try to ride me. One in particular, a Kumokawa…yes, Kumokawa Maria-kun was something like my arch-nemesis. Just thinking back to those times is enough for my tail to tuck between my hind legs.”
Maria is such a yandere that she would even assault Noukan while chatting with Kagun.
Nice threads guys, interesting discussion.
Keep it going.
It is not like Touma's "harem" is of great quality, but the reason why Kamisato's harem is mediocre is because they are against freedom. They are bitches in heat who cannot get off the Kamisato wild dick ride. It lacks romance. At least the girls in Touma's harem have a more free personality.
>Kamisato Kakeru was smiling happily while surrounded by all those girls.
>But to Patricia’s eyes, his smile looked somehow twisted in pain.
>the moment you realize your harem is shit
>With all the lights of the city, there were almost no stars visible in that dark canopy. Only the round moon shined there.
>To repeat, he was a man who understood romance.
>And so he spat out the next words based on that sensibility, not based on logic or efficiency.
>“What an unpleasant light. It feels like an ill omen.”
Such Death Flag. Wow
>doesn't explain why the other thread was "off topic" when it wasn't.
>Light Novel thread
>Not off topic
Can't blame them senpai desu
>One hand was not going to cut it any longer, so he covered his face with both hands and curled up on the nighttime road.
>The only sensible one remaining, ten-year-old Patricia, only gently patted his shoulder.
>Tears did not suit Kamisato Kakeru, so he gathered his strength and got back in the fight.
No one knows better than Kamisato that his harem is shit
If I was Kamisato, I would be thinking hard for an excuse to run off alone with Patricia at this point. Unfortunately, Ellen is probably the only thing he knows that could even begin to look into Patricia's problem.
Not to mention if one of the girls in your harem is a master of forensics you're going to have a hard time evading them for long, to presumably more bitching when they catch up to you.
>it's kind of sad
Nope, it is awesome.
The fact Kamachi managed to make me more interested in a dog than in two people makes me happy because it shows his writing is in the right direction. Hopefully it means we can expect more non-humans in the future.
Both Touma and Kamisato's harem are full of troublesome girls that can be a pain, but they don't mean ill-will and are just being sincere with themselves. That is what makes them FUN and interesting. Idiots..
As much as he'd probably be better off without her no Touma wouldn't ask for or want that.
It might take one or two reads if there's too many lines in a row but you get used to it
Well, usually it's not much of a problem and Index characters have enough quirks to even be recognized in the translated version. But With 4 new characters at once and lots of random talk, I can't even care to follow it.
It just seems like a very strange deflection to make that when it's said Kamisato is probably tired of their shit whether or not they mean no harm. "I would if I were him" adds nothing.
I wonder if any of Kamisato's current roster started off like Patricia.
Just imagine, a new girl comes along and sees that Kamisato is surrounded by caustic bitches. They feel sorry and want to help him, but then they end up becoming a caustic bitch themselves.
That's his happines because nobody else besides her would confess to him.
>not a poorfag anymore
Did you forgot he had nothing to eat but spoiled salad before Index?
>no more biting
As if that was a big issue
I guess volume 15 was pretty shit too right anon?
Do you even know how self-inserts work? If the MC's situations is envious because of his harem, then one would insert oneself into the situation and want the MC's life. MC's personal feelings won't be relevant.
Never thought this series would turn into SoL shit where having harems and being normal will be important plot points.
You know your shit.
Nah because i atleast knew about two of the groups beforehand and actually liked a couple of the characters.
Since when is being a good self insert considered a strength? Kamisato isn't a complete self insert anyways for the reasons you stated in your post, you like his situation a lot more than he does, he's not some blank slate for you to pretend you're him. He's actively expressing his disdain for his position and wants to be elsewhere doing anything else.
She's average at best, if she wasn't a arrogant 12 year old bitch and acted her age then she would be far more likable. Its fine if someone like Othinus is like that but Birdway just no.
>At least Index knows when to shut up
Then why are you caring to get upset for?
That's your opinion, but that isn't even the point. For starters, MCs don't need to be blank to self-insert. People can override their personality or wish to be them either way. See Onii-sama and Haru for two extreme contrasting examples of people self-inserting because they envy the situation they get to experience with girls falling for each of them for a specific reason.
Kamisato is standoffish, but he too falls in line to a harem MC who, despite his unresponsive and yare yare that goes with the flow, he doesn't truly dislike that the girls are with him and he's fated to go around saving girls. That sort of thing treads the line of tsundere or close to it.
Mugino craziness was amusing but i don't give a shit about frenda.
A battle between a 50% Magic God vs an Impure Magic God and a Right Hand user.
That alone puts the fight between the No.1 vs the No.2 to dust. Level 5s are nothing when compared to stuff like that.
Not talking isn't the same as shutting up you know? But at least I get your logic now, you're taking scenes where Index is present but not currently gabbing as "taking a hint"
>A battle between a 50% Magic God vs an Impure Magic God and a Right Hand user.
>That alone puts the fight between the No.1 vs the No.2 to dust.
>Barely lasted a minute
Sorry but any fights to do with magic gods are shit.
What is the point of having better writing if it is about irrelevant characters?
Even if NT12 had better writing it wouldn't stop it from being shit because of the fake Magic God.
But anon, that's exactly what the charm is to her.
She's a strong magician that's at Saint level and the leader of the largest Magic Cabal in the world. So it's perfectly understandable why she's arrogant. She already got knocked down a peg by Touma anyway.
Either way, no else is competing in the imouto category for Touma so she's still best imouto.
Kamisato just want to get punched by Kamijou-senpai but these bitches won't let him.
>Any fights to do with Magic Gods are shit
>NT 9 wasn't a good fight
>NT 13 wasn't a good fight
sure they wipe most people out but not all magic god fights are bad.
Accelerator isn't irrelevant no matter how you want to wank over magic gods. I'm not saying he's the strongest character in the series or anything retarded like that but I am saying he is not and will not ever be irrelevant as along as Crowley keeps the same plan or a plan that involves him. If Crowley switches to a plan that does not involve him, then yes, he's irrelevant. That hasn't happened.
I think Kamisato's problem is that his harem insists on being around him 24/7. Most of the girls interested in Touma don't particularly seek him out, and only talk to him when they happen to have some sort of crisis going on. The only ones that try and butt into his personal life are Index and Mikoto, and even they don't try and stick with him around the clock.
>Taking comedy and typical harem MC complaint about his harem serious
Stop being new. It's almost no different from Accelerator being pissed off and complaining about the girls around him. Despite it all, he obviously cares for them and would protect them.
still wondered how the fuck did touma was able to speak without the lower parts of his body
Even if Kamisato loses he is the righteous one here.
The Magic Gods are abominations playing with the fate of everybody else, they are evil by default and should be removed.
If anything, Kamisato is giving to them a good fate. Instead of actually dying they are just sent to a "new world" where they can be happy and stop bothering other people.
Kamisato's World Rejector is an instrument of salvation.
And let's be serious: who here wouldn't want to be sent to another world?
I know I would.
World Rejector > Imagine Breaker.
>Not taking them as depictions of the characters
>Index biting Touma and eating all his shit is just a joke guys!
>She's actually really nice and caring I swear
Accelerator is a tsundere, but even he says how important they are from time to time.
Being realistic or not isn't the point, that's why I said I'm sorry you have shit taste and prefer Dragon Ball Z fights instead.
The point is that you have shit taste and should go fuck yourself, buddy.
but that's wrong, the gods did all they could to keep out of the world and wanted touma to clean up any residual effects they had. Also world rejector seems like omega world 2.0, I think touma may need to kill another 6 billion.
Not really. Aleister is monitoring everyone and how strong your power will be is known to AC, but that's about it, even Level 0s can stay and go to school or do whatever as normal. At worst it's like the giver or something minus the emotion stealing.
And sending them to their own paradise.
It is a fair exchange. You don't want to go to heaven?
Kamisato-sama, please send me to another world!
One where I can be reunited with my waifu!
There's also all the mad scientist experimentation and shit, though I think it's said they mainly use orphans for that so there won't be any questioning parents.
Also someone tries to kill everyone in the city every couple of days.
You can't be this callous and dumb. Index biting Touma is a joke, a literally gag. If it was truly humorless and Touma utterly despised it, then it would had been made into a real issue and Touma would had done something about it. But he doesn't other than complains about it or fears it. The fact it isn't depicted seriously in a negative manner should make that obvious enough. You're even more dumb if you think Index doesn't actually cares when she gets serious.
It freaking took Accelerator time for him to softened up, and for a long time he doesn't show it through words, but by action which is why he is a tsundere. NT14 isn't half way done yet. Give it time.
Not really. He only shown that when he was talking about Magic Gods. He has a real reason to hate them.
All that is worth it if it means you can run having adventures with best girl.
>And utterly despised it
That's Kamisato we're talking about, all I said for Index was that that was reprsentative of her nature, not that Touma didn't like it. I'm already convinced he's an S.
The point is gags don't occur in magic hammer space, they're exaggerated maybe but they do happen.
It is not that unsafe of a place.
All you need to do is to be completely average, never bringing the attention of anyone. Like Aogami Pierce, dude is Touma's friend and never was involved in anything Dark Side related.
Even Mikoto was barely in the Dark Side at all until she gave away her dna map and she's a level 5. It seems more like if you're an orphan or a skill out you're fucked but everyone else is usually fine. Saves you having to pay taxed for wellfare I guess.
Kamachi, please stop making me like Doge even more.
Are you reterded?
>>Index biting Touma and eating all his shit is just a joke guys!
It's less harmful than getting fried when you're injured though
>>She's actually really nice and caring I swear
She IS m8, re read sister arc end. When nobody gave a shit about Touma being hospitalized, she was there.
All your favorite characters will die.
The last characters left alive in Raildex will be Saten and Patricia. They'll go shopping and Saten will dress-up Patricia in frilly outfits and put clovers in her hair.
This is a prophecy.
>I'm already convinced he's an S.
>He is masochist for the biting.
When she didn't bite him, what he did?
He felt empty/bad and start pushing Index to bite him. Truly an S.
He does it quite often I think that's his way of saying Fukou Da.
>Awesome dog character
>Forced into this, victim of Crowley as much as anyone else
>Incredibly overpowered and is basically a joke character
>Only Kihara besides Kagun to have some sort of 'humanity'
Also literally everyone loves golden retrievers.
We met at least three fakes that volume, there is probably a lot more
The fact that they needed to pretend to be 5s should be proof enough that you can end in deep shit even being a normalfag
It's the harem most don't like, and it seems Kamisato agrees. I couldn't hate a guy who agrees all sizes of breasts are good anyways even if he is a bit edgy when it comes to Magic Gods
We seem to have different definitions of nice, I meant like Itsuwa, where you most times of the day are worried about other people, not that you're able to stop your shenanigans for a while when someone is seriously hurt. My sister is a bit of a cunt most days, but when I got hurt in an accident, ta dah, she was the nicest person you'd met for a couple days.
>hating on normal highschool boys
nah, his pretty okay
his harem is pretty shit since its suffocating the guy and apparently sticks around like they have nothing to do and just scream "sasuga kamisato-san".
At least touma's harem have their own lives
She's not terrible, but she's got a weird set of priorities and won't leave Kamisato alone for 5 minutes like the other two. Patricia is the only salvation to be found in Kamisato's harem.
Oh no he's a bit edgy against beings that give no shot about anything and probably fucked his life! And he doesn't really kill them but take them to the happiest possible place they ever wanted! So edgy!
You do know that in all likelihood the Magic Gods either had nothing to do with him getting WR or only one of them did and he decided to genocide the lot of them right? That's a little edgy.
I'm starting to feel sympathetic for him because now we see that basically everything that's happened to him got forced onto the guy without him even wanting it. The power, the harem, the adventures, etc.
The guy just wants to crack his neck.
Is it wrong that I want Kamisato
to be legit gay and for Touma, Accelerator and Hamazura to all fit his preferences in some way and he spends the rest of the series after meeting them all three lamenting they aren't and never will be his haremthis is mostly for comedy purposes
>You do know that in all likelihood the Magic Gods either had nothing to do with him getting WR or only one of them did and he decided to genocide the lot of them right?
Debunked between the talk Nephthys had with Othinus.
>“In other words, World Rejecter appeared inside this Kamisato because you(The Magic Gods) all were disappointed in Kamijou Touma. Hah hah! I can see why he would hold a grudge. It’s like a cell being devoured by the apoptosis it created!! Did you enjoy getting the entire world caught up in your suicide!?”
Kakeru hasn't meet his Othinus yet.
This, sadly. I want them both to live. But I'm pretty sure one or both of them will die. I'll be shocked if the Sisters make it. I suspect Crowleys plan is something that will them.
>No het guy can look good in a suit
The hat is by far the best part of her costume you fuck
>Regardless, unconsious actions don't really need to be met with capital punishment
You are applying human standards to magic gods. They are gods. They have no such easy excuse like human flaws.
>js06 said that he's had it since WW3 though, so it's probably something else.
Kamisato claims it's because that's when Othinus began taking action with Gremlin and thus shifting Touma's focus toward her specifically.
What? I don't know what you're going on about.
I said the magic gods can be accounted even for unconscious actions because they are gods, not humans.
It is related to the problem of evil.
Touma didn't always smiled when it came to fukou da. His current self has gotten used to it. Touma's smile in this volume is a result of what happened in NT10. I would be smiling and enjoying life as it is too after having gone through hell and back. Reaching an understanding with the person who sent you to hell would make anyone be in good-humored.
Supposedly Hawaii and a Holistic Esper were needed for that, and something in Baggage City maybe? Regardless, it's more about that's when she started to move than anything, I don't think WW3 was stopping her.
The next part is half translated, but it's too long to finish up tonight.
He didn't actually get full-blown WR until very recently. Basically, the Magic Gods started getting slight doubts from Othinus's actions that shifted some hint of power to him, but it didn't solidify into WR until the events of NT10.
You must had had a girlfriend at least once, you can bicker and joke, even be tough or a bit rough but at the end, there is no offense and ill will, both can sleep at peace and talk each other next day with no problem.
That's the kind of life I see on them.
Wait, maybe that's why Touma's right hand is weaker and this could be a good reason for his amnesia.
Guys, Touma was called God of Plague when he was a kid, right? What if Imagine Breaker was far stronger in the past, then started to become
weaker due to something happening that made the Magic Gods start doubting Imagine Breaker way before even WW3?
Post-amnesia Touma would never know his hand was stronger before.
>You must have had a girlfriend at least once
Regardless, the idea is the same with friends, but no they're engaging in friendly bickering, bickering is something like what Othinus and Touma did at the store talking about french fries and stuff.
>Thinking he won't be happy in the end
Kamisato = Touma + Accelerator + Shiage combined.
Her entire shtick was that she was trying to get back to her original world, m8. No extra phases, nothing different. If even a rock was different it wouldn't be her world. And then she saw that something as big as the elements were in disarray.
Othinus is the one who caused the phase shifts in the first place. At some point she came to the self discovery that she wanted to go back home and couldn't is the real problem.
>You must had had a girlfriend at least once
What you want is World Rejecter.
Kamisato = guy who can give to you endless fun.
Touma = guy who is no fun allowed.
Now, I wonder which one of them is the better man. Hmmm....
Patricia's like 11 or 12 and looks it, next you're going to tell me Birdway isn't a loli
4 vs 4.
Harem expert here. Each respective harem is nice in their different ways and the contrast that exists by comparison only makes them more appreciable
>dandy gentleman dog couldn't even make it past four volumes
No such thing when it comes to Kamachi. A cute loli getting killed always creates a reaction, so having Kamisato offed her is meant to show how serious Kamisato is.
Yeah, nah. She's the second best Magic God after Othinus.
>The only good girl in shiage's harem is Saiai.
Not true. You're forgetting Umidori. Saiai + Umidori = godly combo that beats LO and Worst.
>Accelerator doesn't have a harem, he has a family.
Harem is harem.
Umidori is a part of his harem now? She's Worst's toy.
>“What is this? Patricia’s incident is already straying from the main task, so when did this subquest get started? What’s next, defeating the Four Heavenly Kings who guard the barriers of the different continents and then gathering the seven crystals? Well, that’s easy. We just need to save up a hundred thousand platinum, buy our own ship, set sail for the small island at the end of the world, climb to the top of the universe tree, and ask the goddess there what to do.”
Tell me anons, how many references do you identify here?
Cute as fuck.
Stop thinking with your dick, High Priest was fantastic, the calling of Touma to the roof with the love letter, his constant Uho Hoi! shenanigans and his quest to get punched by Touma were good, Niang did basically nothing.
I hope they will, they have the potential to be more interesting if we learn more, but AS ALL NEW CHARACTERS THEY WILL FADE INTO OBSCURITY because that's how Kamachi shitty writting rolls.
We discussed this before, but I don't think it has reached a definite conclusion. Some say Umidori belongs to Touma because of their interactions that are twisted, but endearing and comical. And with Shiage, Umidori has directed adequate emotional and conflicted feelings towards Shiage.
There is also those who think she should belong to Accelerator though because senpai/kohai from the Dark May Project and their darkness similarities, but there isn't enough between those two to say that she does.
I hope not, we've met plenty of side characters and I have plenty I'd rather see more of than these jokers
Not really. Neph didn't live pass NT13, so she wasn't given the chance to do more. Neph is only shown more because she is still alive and freeloading in NT14.
>Neph and Neph
The point was that HP had an entire volume of focus and she got two scenes. That's not to say two scenes isn't enough to endear me to a character, but it means they have more chances to do so.
>There are people who actually like that bastard High Priest
Wrecking AC is the least of his doing.
>unironically liking Chinese Zombie Loli
There is a reason Kamachi spared Nephthys instead of that piece of shit loli. REMOVE LOLI.
Death to all lolis and their lovers. Behead those who love loli.
If I were to think with my dick: Niang > Othinus > Neph > High Priest (duh, I'm not gay)
Character-wise: Othinus > Neph > HP > Niang. To be fair, Niang would probably be equal or maybe better than Neph if she was with Neph in NT14 too.
>implying liking lolis isn't normalfag shit at this point
And I don't mean like in the romantic sense. If you even appreciate a loli you are a normalfag attracted to a paternal instinct. You are a prisoner of your closet normalfaggotry.
I forgot Accel x Mikoto
Stiyl is a cool guy anon
Stiyl x Sasha
Touma x Kuroko
Misaka x Etzali
Gunha x Frenda
Kanzaki x Washing Machine
Index x Izzard
Accel x Mikoto would be great if done right but as its been said Accelerator will probably die so any conclusion those two could have would probably be angsty which is easy to make complete shit
So this is the mindset of the average Mikotofag.
The only correct answer
Yeah, isn't doing well even though it has anime promoting them
It's okay but nothing great either, and that's something because its fame mostly came from Kamachi and the huge advertising that was the 10th anniversary.
Othinus maybe? She at least never seems to get sticks for legs like Mikoto does. Saiai seems to vary.
Search your hearts. You know it to be true.
Othinus's legs are drawn well but strangely a lot of Mikoto's legs look like cancer. Especially NT12.
I don't think so. Just look at Will-tan, it seems he really does it on purpose.
Will is the same as Mikoto though, you don't need to set in the reader's imagination about what she looks like, she's the same as any Sister. If Neph, Niang or Kamisato's harem were drawn like that maybe.
Here's another example
Will is a new character but her legs where drawn like crap which is why I gave that example and exact same appearance Misaka.
Misaki's legs look even worse here because of her upper body.
He keeps going too fare with the thigh gap. Big boobs on bone thin girls don't work. Also I though misaki was thicker or was that just her lack of endurance and the railgun artist tricking me?