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Kaiji: Salvation Game Discussion?

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Anyone want to talk Kaiji? Just finished the Salvation Games gotta say thats the weakest arc so far.
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>>133506186
Nothing smart happened ever since Chang figured out the signaling system with his arm. The rest of it is bullshit.
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>>133506599
Seriously the rest of the game was just Kaiji and Kazuyas interpretation until Mitsuyama betrayed his friends like a bitch
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>>133506186
Where did you read it?
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I haven't read the manga but I finished the anime.

I loved it but the overall thinking was too formulaic for me.

>Kaiji acquires the money to pay off his debts and live a good life
>Does something stupid and loses it
>Rises up even more heroically than the last time

Does it ever end or do you see the same pattern in the manga?
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>>133506923
I just read it on kissmanga.
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>>133506924
Don't know yet the next arc isn't translated.
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>>133506186
Next game is better
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>>133506924
Sort of. Kaiji hasn't been in debt for a long time now.

But that formula is the result of Kaiji's flaws as a character. He's addicted to gambling, and his addiction is only getting worse. He's now competing in life or death gambles even though he's not in debt and has no obligation to.
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>>133507296
Oh god don't break my heart. Kaiji is moe as fuck, probably my favorite male MC.
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MEANWHILE
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>>133506984
Retard.
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>>133506186
I recently binged that arc. Easily the worst arc, but at least it was very amusing despite being "You're wrong Kazuya, the power of friendship prevails" and "Hehehehehe, watch as they stop their facade, Kaiji" over and over.

It must have been hell for those who followed it. Hopefully One Poker will be a better read once FKMTKrazy translates it.
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>>133507505
BUT IT WAS NO GOOD
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Salvation Game was really disappointing for how repetitive it was. Half the chapters boiled down to Kaiji and Kazuya just screaming "NO YOU" at each other 20 pages. But I think the conclusion made up for a lot of that. The moment where Kazuya tells Kaiji to put his money where his mouth is is a cool meta-mindfuck. The whole arc up to that moment Kaiji is a spectator along with the reader making it easy for the reader to identify and agree with his point of view. When Kazuya tells Kaiji to pony up for Chang and Mario, forcibly prying him out of spectator's seat I found myself as a reader being dragged along with him. It took me more than a moment to switch gears from "agreeing with Kaiji" mode to "NO DON'T DO IT KAIJI" mode as he thought about whether Mario and Chang's lives had worth to him. It's an unusually subtle thing for Fukumoto to do, especially in a series like Kaiji where shouting and repeating phrases are the height of emotion.

Oh and the twist about Kazuya actually being an aspiring author was funny. Did not see that coming at all.

>>133507296
Technically he was in debt to Kazuya for most of the mahjong game.
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>>133506924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vBSLmXG1II
This pretty much sums up the appeal of this series
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>>133507505
>mfw it will take 10 chapters for them complete their hands.
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>>133507232
It's extremely satisfying seeing Kazuya getting blown the fuck out.
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Atleast it wasn't a slow as shit mahjong arc.

>>133506599
True, but all of the characters involved were great so it makes up for it.
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Is FKMT on drugs?
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>>133507505
wait why would you order your hand if most of it is seethrough. Wouldnt that make guessing the opaque tiles really easy? Like in the pic the 8sticks tile could be a 6, 7 or 8 but not a nine or 5 since then he would place it differently
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Kuyashi..
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>>133515700
KUYASHI!
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>>133506186
The game was the worst but that's why fkmt included the backstories and Kazuyas book.

These parts made it better than the part 3 imo.
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>>133516923
part 3 is the best
except for zero since it'll never exist
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>>133516950
>it'll never exist
w-why?
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>>133516923
You can say what you want, but fkmt is very experimental in his works and I like that a lot. While he is using certain tropes a lot, his stories are never repetitive.
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>>133516979
FKMT is too busy writing and drawing 4 mangas at the same time
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>>133516950
Why is Zero in Part 3?? A crossover? I never read part 3 since I'm not into Mahjong. WTF?
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>>133516950
>>133516983
Don't get the wrong idea I like part 3 alot to, but I feel part 4 needs more love.
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These guys are just perfect.
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>>133517017
You misunderstood, I meant Zero would never have a part 3.
You should read Kaiji part 3 though, it's great and they're playing a simplified game of Mahjong.
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>>133517082
Never forget
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Go read Strongest Man Kurosawa if you haven't already guys
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>>133517113
Out of context Fukumoto is just the best
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>>133517148
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>>133517212
Zero is so silly, I love it. It's not one of the best Fukumoto manga but still a very nice ride
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>>133515546
There's no way to know whether the opponent is trying to bluff having a certain tile through tile placement. It could have easily been a 9 or 5 sou, or something else entirely, but just positioned to make it look like a 6-8 sou.
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>>133517212
what a slut
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>>133517257
It doesn't matter what the plot is about, he will make it work somehow.
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>>133517148
>You'll never see Kaiji being moe as fuck in animated form.
Why live?
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>>133517458
They animated S1 and S2 tho
also, Madokaiji fucking when
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>yfw Fukumoto isn't immortal so sooner or later he'll stop making stories
I hate it.
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>>133517616
I wonder if he will complete Kaiji, Akagi, Zero and Kurosawa before he retires
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>>133516923
>The game was the worst but that's why fkmt included the backstories and Kazuyas book.
>These parts made it better than the part 3 imo.
I absolutely agree. You are a person of great taste and high moral upstanding I'm sure.
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>>133517692
Akagi is close to ending, Zero and Kaiji still seem to have a long way to go.
No idea about Kurosawa.
Actually why did he even make a part 2 for Kurosawa?
First parts end was perfect though I'm not complaining.
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>>133517820
I mean, Akagi doesn't have to end at Washizu.
I'd wager we could see an arc about Soga.
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>>133517871
considering that he was starting to get bored with gambling with mahjong and they could only entice him with a life and death struggle makes me think washizu is the last arc
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>>133517871
>Soga
Who was he again?
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>>133517871
>I mean, Akagi doesn't have to end at Washizu.
Hasn't he already confirmed there will be more Akagi after the Washizu arc?
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>>133517912
This guy.
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>>133517871
Well Akagi didn't play against Soga before Ten so no. If Akagi where to continue it would be like the last 3 volumes of Ten. I hope, you never know with fkmt
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>>133517900
>washizu is the last arc
Aren't they bringing back the blind guy for a rematch though?
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>>133517994
No way he even admitted himself that he would never be able to defeat Akagi.

Maby you're thinkg about Hero? He is like 100+ years but looks the same way as in Akagi
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>>133517994
That's happening in HERO. And from what he's saying in that, it doesn't seem like he met Akagi since then.
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What's your favourite FKMT metaphor
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>>133518125
The entire chapter of Hero with juggernaut Ichikawa and Hiro going full operator was great
>AND NOW, HE HAS A SHOTGUN
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>>133518094
>>133518103
Yeah I guess it is Hero. I don't keep up with the mahjong series so I didn't know.
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>>133517871
>Akagi vs the 4th Reich
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>>133518185
Meant for >>133518125
this too
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>>133518157
Damn I really like Hero
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>>133518125
obviously
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>>133518125
Immortal army of Kaiji's vs Ichijou in fortress with machine gun.
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>>133518250
You beat me to it.
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>>133518257
and his little brother
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>>133518125
Kaiji coming from the sea to beat the fuck out of fisherman Kazuya.
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>>133518206
HERO is amazing, it has that brevity I loved about early FKMT while still keeping the intensity.
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>>133518347
post the previous page please
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>>133518374
1/2
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>>133518410
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>>133518410
>>133518434
This is hilarious
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>>133518347
>>133518410
>>133518434
How does fkmt do it? It's so silly yet it feels serious at the same time
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>>133518481
If the characters make it look like it's serious business it is serious business. Plus it's never mellow drama, it's always life and death or at least for an amount of money people care about (plus or minus a few fingers)
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How did Akagi change from edgy kid to chill old guy?
Why is he so wide?
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>>133519355
He stopped being 13.
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>>133519355
because after washizu he never found a worthy opponent again. So the only way to still enjoy gambling was by just screwing around and being chill
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>>133519355

>You will never be too wide to gamble
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>>133518125
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What I really love about FKMT is his disdain for money and money driven lives. I mean look at this ironic phrase of Kazuya, who's a rich bastard.
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>>133520421
And then Mario, who lived all his life in poverty, states the same.
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>>133520421
>>133520490
People who live for nothing other than money are truly unhappy people. They never think "this is enough" and will often neglect everything else in favor of it because money = success in their eyes. As far as they're concerned they're already above everyone else; there's nothing to improve on. Eventually they come to realize being excessively wealthy isn't all that great. There's something they know they're missing but they can't quite put their finger on it. Then they develop fucked up vices to fill that void, like all those kid diddlers in Hollywood.
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>>133507382
He's only alive when he's gambling for his life

Mikoko was right about him
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>>133521507
Just like pretty much anything, money alone can't achieve so much in the long run
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>>133521524
Mikoko even draws a doujin where Kaiji quits gambling for her, and then in the end he turns on his word and reverts back to his old ways. Deepest foreshadowing.
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>>133521623
What surprises me is that kaiji never stopped back by there to drop off that 10mil he promised. It'd be so baller just to roll up in a limo and plop it down. Plus it'd piss Kazuya off.
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Why is kaijis name in katakana while it is his last name, I thought last names always are in moonrunes
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>>133522087
His last name is Itou, you dip.
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>>133522135
so yakuza automatically call you on first name basis
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>>133517692
>1958
Are you fucking serious?
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>>133522272
Not that guy but his full name is Itou Kaiji. An in Japanese you always say surname first.
So yes Itou is his last name.
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>>133522272
Yes, as stated in page 17 of the Yakuza handbook.
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>>133522299
Yes? Why is that weird?
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>>133522299
>tfw people who've been following Akagi since the beginning are now in their 60s
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>>133522453
>>133522443
wow those yakuza seem a pretty friendly bunch. Not so formal and all thightass about proper etiquette. Just bros who try to get you out of debts fast.
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>>133522559
Especially this guy right here. I don't know why they get such bad rep.
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There's nothing like FKMTs manga, is there?
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>>133517871
fukumoto confirmed that there will be further arcs after washizu, hinting at soga
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>>133522525
>FKMT started writing Akagi as soon as he was born
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>>133517941
so what happened with the anime?

is it an original ending?

i never read akagi since i figured it was the same as the anime
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>>133518250
My nigga.

>>133518203
Wow, I forgot all about that. That'll stay relevant forever.
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>>133522787
Lost it
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>>133522802
No, the anime ends at not even a quarter of the Washizu fight.
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>>133522863
wow. do i need to read the entire manga or is it pretty accurate up until that fight ?

after watching the akagi tv show i was really amped up for more fuko
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>>133518125
the leap of faith in espoir
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What's up with all the praise to FKMT? I thought they only translated the manga and that's it
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>>133522953
It's accurate up until that fight. I think it stops at chapter 80 (we're around 240, now)
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>>133523190
what the shit.

that fight takes more then 3/4th of the entire manga ?
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>>133523190
holy shit
so this match has surpassed 150 chapters?
damn, way to drag a series
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>>133523314
It's cute when they're so innocent.
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>>133523347
Gotta sell them mahjong sets yo.
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what happens to akagi in the manga for him to make this expression?
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>>133523138
FKMT also refers to the author's name, i.e. Nobuyuki fukumoto, not just the scanlation group
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>>133523314
>>133523347
Small correction, the Washizu arc started at chapter 57, and the latest translated chapter is 267.
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>>133523388
that's probably washizu's imagination of akagi
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>>133507505
He'll get Kokushi Musou before Akagi does, get excited and die.

I haven't read the RAWs so I'm only guessing.
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>>133523461
2/3 right.
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>>133523423
so akagi hasn't cracked yet? is he human?
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One poker arc not translated yet?
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>>133523548
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>>133523596
It started this week.
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>>133523492
Damn. I can already feel the hype of this scene.
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>>133523492
>so weak that he hallucinated a haku for one sou

Damn, Washizu. So, my mahjong skills are pretty weak, but with Akagi having all four tiles he won't be able to get Kokushi, right?
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>>133523764
Yes, that's exactly what it means.
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>>133523492
Hmmmm
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>>133523492
why would you keep 4x a tile in your hand? Either play it as kan or discard one.

Unless you magically have a double-run with double as pair
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>>133523888
Yes, anon, why doesn't he discard it? It's not like Washizu is waiting on that exact tile for his fucking Kokushi Musou which is a Yakuman and would cost him his life, all the money he's won, and that other dude's arm.
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>>133523888
Are you blind? He has a triplet and a 1-2-3 sequence. He's in tenpai.
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>>133523764
He's pretty fucked. Kokushi is hell to recover from, so at this point his hope is mostly to stop Akagi from winning the hand and win himself by ending the hanchan. Except :
>Akagi is in tenpai for 5-sou
>Akagi can kan off the 1-sou anytime he wants and go for any tenpai he wants with the remaining tiles since three kans is a yaku
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y052VBjn9bc
I want to dance with the Fukumoto bunch.
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>>133523973
>that other dude's arm.
and he should care about that dudes arm becausee?
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>>133523990
>Kokushi is hell to recover from

Washizu has bullshit amounts of luck. Although with that amount of draws left it's going to be pretty hard. Especially since Yasuoka can also immediately deal into Akagi's hand with whatever he needs, right?
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>>133524040
Where did I state that he cares? I was just listing everything discarding that tile would cost him.
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>>133524009
Kaiji is too moe.
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>>133524066
Scratch that, I'm retarded. Scoring a ron on Yasuoka wouldn't benefit him now.
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Does Kaiji pay off Ishida's debt? I'm near the end of S1 and he has just been shitting the bed left and right.
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>>133523888
>Either play it as kan
By not calling kan Washizu is left thinking he can still win.
>discard one
Oh, so you are a literal retard.
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>>133524066
No, Akagi has to get a tsumo or a ron off Washizu. That's his only hope to kill him, through direct hits, because even a yakuman won't alleviate his point difference with Washizu.
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>>133524066
He'd need 5 tiles minimum to come back to tenpai, and that's for a chitoitsu with no wasted draws.
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>>133511788
>that fucking king
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>>133524123
Eventually
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>>133523492
WHAT
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>>133524123
Yes, but in a different way than you'd expect.
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>>133523888
>discard the exact tile Washizu needs to win and take Akagi's life and money
How stupid are you
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>>133515325
>he didn't read the Michael scene
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>>133524207
Doesn't he only need two draws? Then he could pon to tenpai with a toitoi hand.
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>>133518250
RIP Michael ;_;7
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>>133525235
Oh yeah, I wasn't taking calls into account. That would be the fastest way, yeah.
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>>133518410
>>133518434
>>133518347
How can you not love Fukumoto
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>>133523990
>Akagi can kan off the 1-sou anytime
Wait, I thought you could win with chankan off a closed kan if you have Kokushi. Or is that just a common house rule?
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>>133517148
that reminds me so much of the myth of Sisyphus it makes you wonder if it is a statement about Kaiji's existance as a whole
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>>133525615
Akagi would've had a 2-5 sou wait if he had kanned the 1 sou and that rule wasn't in effect, now he only has a 5 sou wait.
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>>133525615
You can, but I'm not sure if it applies in Washizu mahjong.
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>>133525615
I think that only applies to the 13 tile wait kokushi, doesn't it?
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>>133525615
It is a house rule, I have no idea if it has been mentioned or not as being allowed.
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>>133526302
That situation would be impossible in the first place.
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>>133526397
1M-9M-1P-9P-1S-9S-Xia-Pei-Other two winds-Haku-Hatsu-Chun
With that hand you'd be waiting for all of those tiles.
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>>133526505
And it would be impossible for another player to form a closed kan with one of them.
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>>133526505
How would someone else call a closed kan while someone is in tenpai for a 13-way wait kokushi?
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>>133526525
>>133526546
Oh, well you didn't specify that it was impossible in this scenario. Obviously it is. I meant you thought it was impossible generally.
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Why exactly did Kaiji accept Kazuya challenge again? He knows he will get buttfucked.
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>>133517148
That was weird even in contest
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>>133526672
Because he's a degenerate gambling addict.
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>>133526672
he wants to fuck Hyoudou's shit up and he's addicted to gambling
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>>133526672
muh flow
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>>133525615
I forgot about that. So, with that, everything in his hand is frozen except that 5-sou. Since Akagi doesn't have a yaku except Chinitsu (that could only potentially become a Honitsu), Washizu's only hope is to have every sou and honor tile accounted for so that Akagi can't make a pair. That's a pretty tall order.
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>>133526672
Kaiji likes getting buttfucked.
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>>133518203
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I actually liked part 4. It was a nice change of pace to have Kaiji not directly involved in the gamble.

>>133528741
Kazuya is a sexy man.
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So, does he get his ear sewn back on? The art of S2 I've seen has him with both ears but I have yet to finish S1.
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>>133529583
He gets a new cool cyborg ear.
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>>133529583
yeah he does
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>>133523492
>Akagi bending reality so Washizu doesnt get his winning tile.

We Koizumi now?
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>>133529583
Yeah after he loses he gets his ear and fingers sewn back on.
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>>133529637
>bending reality
Akagi clearly just had it in his hand.
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Why is Akagi so rude?
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>>133529754
He appeals to edgy teenagers who think le no emotion gary stu is good
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>>133529754
Forgot pic
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>>133523388
Thats from a doujin from the antology, he plays a mahjong game where instead of draining blood you get your dignity drained by showing embarrasing things about you.
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>>133529824
Nigga wut? The primary demographic for most of FKMT's stuff are grizzled old men.
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>>133529938
>grizzled old men
Funny way to spell mahjong otaku.
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>>133526672
Muh Luck
Muh Tsunami
Muh Revenge
Muh Gyambru addiction.
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>>133529824
Akagi isn't a gary-stu, he's fucking insane.
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>>133530115
He just wanted to play a fun game with his new friend Kazuya.
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alright who did this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMIBzHfYHZo
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>>133530318
Advertising your own videos is not allowed on /a/.
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>>133530389
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-RERiauotI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlLpSaYYDvc
Part 3 when?
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>>133525615

>Washizu doing the exact same pose Akagi did

POETRY

Can't wait for us to catch up, this is beautiful.
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>>133530663
>44 posters
If only you all played Restricted-RPS.
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Reminder.
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>>133530795
I've made some mock up cards of gentei janken (and e-card too) to play with people before. It's a fairly interesting game. E-card is dull as shit without an ear drill involved though.
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>>133530883
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>>133531069
I've found E-Card is best with the following changes: switching sides each turn, having a scoring system making it first to X points, emperor side wins are 1 point, slave side wins are 4 points.
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>>133531925
I actually tried it while betting monopoly money (with a min and max bet) where each side had the same amount (zero-sum game) but the plus or minus by the end just wasn't satisfying at all. The edge is obviously on the E side but S can zero it out easily as well. Winning as the slave feels great but losing as the slave and winning as the emperor just feels so unsatisfying.

How close were your games? Because I'd imagine they were fairly close.
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>>133529675
>finger

Uh

That seems retarded
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My husbando
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>>133532148
They were not that close because I always had a plan and he was mostly reacting or trying to read me in the moment while I wasn't trying to read him, I was trying to implant thoughts via patterns so I could force behavior in the later game.
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>>133532248
animu magic
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>>133532380
I guess it also depends on how seriously the two people playing are taking it. The person I played with wasn't at all so it was like playing against a more random AI rather than someone trying to out-think me.

That's why ear drills are ideal. They make sure people are taking things seriously.
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>>133532521
>That's why ear drills are ideal. They make sure people are taking things seriously.
you should become leader of the yakuza
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>>133532248
yakuza doctors are excellent at putting fingers back.

>>133532521
you could bet something normal.
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>>133532248
You can have fingers reattached. It's even more plausible since they weren't crushed or completely mutilated, just sliced off.
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>>133532592
>you could bet something normal.
Fingers?
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>>133532592
the nerves have been severed, at least with an ear you don't need the actual outside to hear
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>>133511788
what the fuck is even going on?
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>>133533821
He is tormented by the possibility that Kaiji might have a King.
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>>133507505
I think the Pei is the tile that has played a significant role in the most hands of Akagi. I can think of 4 right now. I'm not sure if this holds some significance or if fkmt just really likes the tile. The one pin and haku also seem like common tiles for important hands.
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>>133534049
Oh boy, One Poker is going to be really fun
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>>133511788
Why does Chang have the helmet back on?
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>>133533821
He's still upset over how many Oscars Shakespeare in Love won.
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>>133535160
They're betting using "lives", which is the worth of a human life. What the average person can earn during their entire life, IIRC.
Kaiji was about to lose, but Chang and Mario asked Kazuya to let them bet their lives.
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>>133535160
Sorry bro I didn't notice that image had a spoiler. I can't even delete it because it's too late.

>>133535440
At least put it in spoiler tags.
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>>133526672
Probably because he really wants to take revenge on Hyodou or at least someone close to him.
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>>133526672
He wants to avenge all of the guys who died in that steel beam challenge and while there's some truth to that reason, the main reason is that he's a gambling addict.

Kaiji can only be this huge hotshot in life-or-death gambles, he sucks at everything else in life and I think he knows that to some degree
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>>133536001
This, high stakes gambling is the only thing Kaiji has going for him. If his life isn't on the line he can't get anything done.
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>>133536001
>Kaiji can only be this huge hotshot in life-or-death gambles
>>133536276
>This, high stakes gambling is the only thing Kaiji has going for him
But his success has nothing to do with the gambling itself. He is a literal genius when it comes to out-cheating cheaters and using rules that should favour his opponents to his own advantage.
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>>133536419
he's shit at living like a decent human being though
his genius skills only come out when he's cornered and/or especially motivated
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>>133536419
This genius you're speaking of doesn't come out in ordinary circumstances. Like you said, it's not just the gambling, but the type of gambling. It's only when his life is put on the line, we see the real Kaiji and everything he's capable of.
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>>133539378
Where you can read Part 1?
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>>133539378
that typesetting is shit, who scanlated this?
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>>133530269
Why they are so perfect together?
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Do people really think Kaiji and Kazuya are gay for each other or is it a joke?
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>>133539900
Why cant you accept pure love anon? has your heart been blackened to a core?

You could make the assumptions that Kazuya is "interested" in Kaiji with the other not reciprocating, but really why spoil the fun?
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>>133539900
Jokes mostly.
But he actually took him out and brought him dinner.
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>>133539970
>>133540065
I can see them becoming best bros but not gay lovers.
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Will we ever find out what happened to Tonegawa?
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>>133542541
Possibly, he has his own manga now doesn't he.
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>>133517257
just finished reading Zero Part 2

People shit on Zero, but the Treasure Hunt arc was fucking aces, especially if you have some basic nip

BUDDA SAIGO MITORU TAKARA NUMA DE
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Didn't realize there was a Kaiji thread before I made mine but its on topic...
>>133544480
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>>133544612
anime physics
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