Anyone want to talk Kaiji? Just finished the Salvation Games gotta say thats the weakest arc so far.
I haven't read the manga but I finished the anime.
I loved it but the overall thinking was too formulaic for me.
>Kaiji acquires the money to pay off his debts and live a good life
>Does something stupid and loses it
>Rises up even more heroically than the last time
Does it ever end or do you see the same pattern in the manga?
Sort of. Kaiji hasn't been in debt for a long time now.
But that formula is the result of Kaiji's flaws as a character. He's addicted to gambling, and his addiction is only getting worse. He's now competing in life or death gambles even though he's not in debt and has no obligation to.
I recently binged that arc. Easily the worst arc, but at least it was very amusing despite being "You're wrong Kazuya, the power of friendship prevails" and "Hehehehehe, watch as they stop their facade, Kaiji" over and over.
It must have been hell for those who followed it. Hopefully One Poker will be a better read once FKMTKrazy translates it.
Salvation Game was really disappointing for how repetitive it was. Half the chapters boiled down to Kaiji and Kazuya just screaming "NO YOU" at each other 20 pages. But I think the conclusion made up for a lot of that. The moment where
Kazuya tells Kaiji to put his money where his mouth is is a cool meta-mindfuck. The whole arc up to that moment Kaiji is a spectator along with the reader making it easy for the reader to identify and agree with his point of view. When Kazuya tells Kaiji to pony up for Chang and Mario, forcibly prying him out of spectator's seat I found myself as a reader being dragged along with him. It took me more than a moment to switch gears from "agreeing with Kaiji" mode to "NO DON'T DO IT KAIJI" mode as he thought about whether Mario and Chang's lives had worth to him.It's an unusually subtle thing for Fukumoto to do, especially in a series like Kaiji where shouting and repeating phrases are the height of emotion.
Oh and the twist about Kazuya actually being
an aspiring authorwas funny. Did not see that coming at all.
Technically he was
in debt to Kazuya for most of the mahjong game.
>mfw it will take 10 chapters for them complete their hands.
It's extremely satisfying seeing Kazuya getting blown the fuck out.
wait why would you order your hand if most of it is seethrough. Wouldnt that make guessing the opaque tiles really easy? Like in the pic the 8sticks tile could be a 6, 7 or 8 but not a nine or 5 since then he would place it differently
The game was the worst but that's why fkmt included the backstories and Kazuyas book.
These parts made it better than the part 3 imo.
part 3 is the best
except for zero since it'll never exist
FKMT is too busy writing and drawing 4 mangas at the same time
Don't get the wrong idea I like part 3 alot to, but I feel part 4 needs more love.
You misunderstood, I meant Zero would never have a part 3.
You should read Kaiji part 3 though, it's great and they're playing a simplified game of Mahjong.
Go read Strongest Man Kurosawa if you haven't already guys
Out of context Fukumoto is just the best
Zero is so silly, I love it. It's not one of the best Fukumoto manga but still a very nice ride
There's no way to know whether the opponent is trying to bluff having a certain tile through tile placement. It could have easily been a 9 or 5 sou, or something else entirely, but just positioned to make it look like a 6-8 sou.
It doesn't matter what the plot is about, he will make it work somehow.
>You'll never see Kaiji being moe as fuck in animated form.
They animated S1 and S2 tho
also, Madokaiji fucking when
>yfw Fukumoto isn't immortal so sooner or later he'll stop making stories
I hate it.
I wonder if he will complete Kaiji, Akagi, Zero and Kurosawa before he retires
>The game was the worst but that's why fkmt included the backstories and Kazuyas book.
>These parts made it better than the part 3 imo.
I absolutely agree. You are a person of great taste and high moral upstanding I'm sure.
Akagi is close to ending, Zero and Kaiji still seem to have a long way to go.
No idea about Kurosawa.
Actually why did he even make a part 2 for Kurosawa?
First parts end was perfect though I'm not complaining.
Well Akagi didn't play against Soga before Ten so no. If Akagi where to continue it would be like the last 3 volumes of Ten.
I hope, you never know with fkmt
No way he even admitted himself that he would never be able to defeat Akagi.
Maby you're thinkg about Hero? He is like 100+ years but looks the same way as in Akagi
Kaiji coming from the sea to beat the fuck out of fisherman Kazuya.
HERO is amazing, it has that brevity I loved about early FKMT while still keeping the intensity.
If the characters make it look like it's serious business it is serious business. Plus it's never mellow drama, it's always life and death or at least for an amount of money people care about (plus or minus a few fingers)
How did Akagi change from edgy kid to chill old guy?
Why is he so wide?
>You will never be too wide to gamble
What I really love about FKMT is his disdain for money and money driven lives. I mean look at this ironic phrase of Kazuya, who's a rich bastard.
And then Mario, who lived all his life in poverty, states the same.
People who live for nothing other than money are truly unhappy people. They never think "this is enough" and will often neglect everything else in favor of it because money = success in their eyes. As far as they're concerned they're already above everyone else; there's nothing to improve on. Eventually they come to realize being excessively wealthy isn't all that great. There's something they know they're missing but they can't quite put their finger on it. Then they develop fucked up vices to fill that void, like all those kid diddlers in Hollywood.
What surprises me is that kaiji never stopped back by there to drop off that 10mil he promised. It'd be so baller just to roll up in a limo and plop it down. Plus it'd piss Kazuya off.
Especially this guy right here. I don't know why they get such bad rep.
What's up with all the praise to FKMT? I thought they only translated the manga and that's it
It's cute when they're so innocent.
what happens to akagi in the manga for him to make this expression?
>so weak that he
hallucinated a haku for one sou
Damn, Washizu. So, my mahjong skills are pretty weak, but
with Akagi having all four tiles he won't be able to get Kokushi, right?
Yes, anon, why doesn't he discard it? It's not like Washizu is waiting on that exact tile for his fucking Kokushi Musou which is a Yakuman and would cost him his life, all the money he's won, and that other dude's arm.
He's pretty fucked. Kokushi is hell to recover from, so at this point his hope is mostly to stop Akagi from winning the hand and win himself by ending the hanchan. Except :
>Akagi is in tenpai for 5-sou
>Akagi can kan off the 1-sou anytime he wants and go for any tenpai he wants with the remaining tiles since three kans is a yaku
>Kokushi is hell to recover from
Washizu has bullshit amounts of luck. Although with that amount of draws left it's going to be pretty hard. Especially since Yasuoka can also immediately deal into Akagi's hand with whatever he needs, right?
No, Akagi has to get a tsumo or a ron off Washizu. That's his only hope to kill him, through direct hits, because even a yakuman won't alleviate his point difference with Washizu.
I forgot about that. So, with that, everything in his hand is frozen except that 5-sou. Since Akagi doesn't have a yaku except Chinitsu (that could only potentially become a Honitsu), Washizu's only hope is to have every sou and honor tile accounted for so that Akagi can't make a pair. That's a pretty tall order.
>Akagi bending reality so Washizu doesnt get his winning tile.
We Koizumi now?
Muh Gyambru addiction.
Akagi isn't a gary-stu, he's fucking insane.
If only you all played Restricted-RPS.
I've made some mock up cards of gentei janken (and e-card too) to play with people before. It's a fairly interesting game. E-card is dull as shit without an ear drill involved though.
I've found E-Card is best with the following changes: switching sides each turn, having a scoring system making it first to X points, emperor side wins are 1 point, slave side wins are 4 points.
I actually tried it while betting monopoly money (with a min and max bet) where each side had the same amount (zero-sum game) but the plus or minus by the end just wasn't satisfying at all. The edge is obviously on the E side but S can zero it out easily as well. Winning as the slave feels great but losing as the slave and winning as the emperor just feels so unsatisfying.
How close were your games? Because I'd imagine they were fairly close.
They were not that close because I always had a plan and he was mostly reacting or trying to read me in the moment while I wasn't trying to read him, I was trying to implant thoughts via patterns so I could force behavior in the later game.
I guess it also depends on how seriously the two people playing are taking it. The person I played with wasn't at all so it was like playing against a more random AI rather than someone trying to out-think me.
That's why ear drills are ideal. They make sure people are taking things seriously.
He is tormented by the possibility that Kaiji might have a King.
I think the Pei is the tile that has played a significant role in the most hands of Akagi. I can think of 4 right now. I'm not sure if this holds some significance or if fkmt just really likes the tile. The one pin and haku also seem like common tiles for important hands.
Oh boy, One Poker is going to be really fun
They're betting using "lives", which is the worth of a human life. What the average person can earn during their entire life, IIRC.
Kaiji was about to lose, but Chang and Mario asked Kazuya to let them bet their lives.
He wants to avenge all of the guys who died in that steel beam challenge and while there's some truth to that reason, the main reason is that he's a gambling addict.
Kaiji can only be this huge hotshot in life-or-death gambles, he sucks at everything else in life and I think he knows that to some degree
>Kaiji can only be this huge hotshot in life-or-death gambles
>This, high stakes gambling is the only thing Kaiji has going for him
But his success has nothing to do with the gambling itself. He is a literal genius when it comes to out-cheating cheaters and using rules that should favour his opponents to his own advantage.
he's shit at living like a decent human being though
his genius skills only come out when he's cornered and/or especially motivated
This genius you're speaking of doesn't come out in ordinary circumstances. Like you said, it's not just the gambling, but the type of gambling. It's only when his life is put on the line, we see the real Kaiji and everything he's capable of.
Why they are so perfect together?
Why cant you accept pure love anon? has your heart been blackened to a core?
You could make the assumptions that Kazuya is "interested" in Kaiji with the other not reciprocating, but really why spoil the fun?
But he actually took him out and brought him dinner.
I can see them becoming best bros but not gay lovers.