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Netflix is looking to create its own anime and plan to drop five

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Netflix is looking to create its own anime and plan to drop five billion dollers into it all. What's going to happen?
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>>133395723
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>>133395723
>Five billion
If they make 20 13-episode series with that budget, we might get something approaching the quality of Naruto.
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>>133396018
Umm bro that's a lot of money. Look up how much an anime costs to make.
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>>133396018
Naruto was terrible quality though.
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Teekyuu 1.0: You Can (Not) Play Tennis
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>>133395723
>one anime
>five billion
I would pay to see that regardless of actual content
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I'm pretty sure Netflix could outspend any anime studio.
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>>133396075
Exactly.

>>133396055
That would be $250 million per series. An average American cartoon costs about $500,000 per episode, or $100 million for a 10 episode season.
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>>133395723
>five billion

Source? I'd love to see what Netflix would produce. It will probably have lots of 3DCG.
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>>133396285
That's 90% because of voice actors being jews though, wouldn't happen with anime.
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somehow it will still be full of QUALITY
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>>133396300
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kMK-aE2h0Sc

First vid I found of some fuck talking about it.
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It will be shit but not in an enjoyable way like Nippon's but in a cringeworthy out-of-touch-with-its-audience Hollywood way
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>>133396429
>5 billion on content

Then that could be anything from the main series to other merchandise like OVA, figma and toiletries.
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>>133395723

I think they could get some talented people. Sense8 was pretty meh but other than that Netflix has done some fantastic original programming.

Whatever they do though Kevin Spacey must play the bad guy.
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>>133396332
Actually, no. Most VAs aren't unionized. They spend that money on animators. Lots and lots of animators.
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>>133396513
I don't think you understand. It's not going to be a bunch of noobs making anime. They're most likely going to hire company's that already make anime to do it but they get full rights to the show.
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Oh what, is the TV bubble about to burst and all the other Western degenerates are jumping our bandwagon

I'm surprised they didn't start pushing loli toons sooner
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>>133396647
You don't need to be in a union to jew, imagine how fucked The Simpsons would be if Homer's VA left, no one would watch it. That's why long running western cartoons are expensive as fuck.
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>>133396596
Would Prison School or Rainbow be the anime version of OITNB?
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What if Netflix adapts things into anime? Videogames, manga, LN, western novels. This is huge.
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>>133396174
Adam Sandler's shit movies usually amount to that much budget. And he always makes it right back regardless of critical panning. What's his secret?
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>>133396712
its not just that, the main simpsons va negotiate as a group from memory, like the actors from friends did.

the show is literally fucked if they don't meet their demands
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>>133396671
Your overthinking things. I'll explaine it to you like you're a baby. Netflix watches crunchyroll. Netflix watches as crunchyroll makes money of anime fans worldwide. Netflix thinks ohh maybe there is money to be made here? Netflix starts making anime.
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Some weab will try to make a Netflix and chill joke, but we all know he isn't getting laid.
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>$5 billion
>over 10% of its market cap
>on one series
I'd like a source
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>>133396790
I don't understand

Will it be one-cour?
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What makes an anime an anime?
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>>133396869
Japanese art, japanese jokes, japanese VA.
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>>133396869
Japanese director
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>>133396826
This is old shit, cant you fags use google

http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/3/9665844/netflix-ceo-reed-hastings-anime-bollywood-tv
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>>133396712
Most VAs aren't making big bucks, seriously. Some of them are in Unions, which lets them use their real names in big-name productions like video games or animated movies. But cartoon series VAs tend not to make a lot more than your average entry-level college graduate, and they don't see residuals from their acting. Animators can and do cost an arm and a leg for cartoons like Regular Show, Adventure Time, and Steven Universe. Like, a good animator straight out of college can be making $54,000 to start and that number can get a lot higher for lead animators. VAs on the other hand tend to make about $30,000 a year for new series main characters, and that's assuming a series with at least 26 episodes produced annually. Their pay increases as the series gets more successful or more episodes get made, but if you're just a one-shot project like most of these anime will be the VAs will be a smaller proportion of the cost than the animation.
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>>133396826
Lol you don't know how Money works do you? Also look it up yourself you have the Internet don't you.
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So instead of cute girls, blue skies and panty shots, it's loud explosions, dead terrorists and U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!

0/10 will not watch, I hope no-one else does either and we successfully organize a mass boycott
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>>133395723
benu tenu
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>>133395723
>five billion dollers
how much is that in real money?
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How many times will we have this thread?
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>>133397027
19583750000.00 shekels
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>>133396869
art style

The idea that anime needs to be Japanese is an outdated concept that only weebs use to be pretentious.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to just inject a few studios with $$ and have them do as they would normally be doing while securing rights to stream said content they make- or is this going to be Netflix-exclusive shit?
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>>133397078
You're a dolt if you don't get the difference in style between western and Japanese animation, it's not just the art style.
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>>133397067
Don't you mean one dragon egg and a army of unsullied.
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>>133397078
By that logic Panty and stocking isn't anime. Or most Yuasa shows
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>>133397103
What's the point of it not being exclusive?
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What Japan needs is to be less homogeneous, hopefully the Netflix series promotes gay and black shit through the roof
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>Toonami belong in /co/

This garbage belong in /co/ too fuck off with this already, normalfags.
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>>133396953
That source says 5 billion on all its new content not one series like the OP says.
>>133396974
>Lol you don't know how Money works do you?
>Lol
What are you getting at?

Also just a heads up you two, "dood look it up fag" doesn't work in real debates.
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>>133397250
>This garbage belong in /co/

When someone says it wants to produce anime rather than cartoons I think it pretty much belongs in /a/.
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I hope they make the Simpsons, it is one of my favourite animes
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>>133397155
No shit, sherlock. The average person doesn't look for something like P&S when they want anime. The actual definitions we see in dictionaries make much more sense.
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>>133397274
Hey bro...... This isn't a debate. And I told you to look it up because you are currently using a computer.
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>>133397197
As if anime doesn't get a bad enough rap as it is already, you want it to legitimately promote gays and niggers? Fuck you Americunt.
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>>133397274
>That source says 5 billion on all its new content not one series like the OP says.
Then I guess OP is a faggot who baited everyone
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>>133396980
>it's loud explosions, dead terrorists and U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!

How did you make that assumption? What if the CEO of Netflix is a huge weaboo who secretly proclaims Houki-pouki is his waifu and "fuck that french slut, Charlotte"?
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>>133397332
>P&S isn't anime
How do you people manage to dress yourselves in the morning?
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>normalfags anime
>western shit

Into the trash it goes. American ruined video games and now they are looking to ruin anime.
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>>133397332
What actual definitions? Most definitions say anime is Japanese. I don't know how hard it is to understand, if something is made by a Japanese animation studio and airs in Japan first its anime this isn't hard to understand.
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>>133397274
>Also just a heads up you two, "dood look it up fag" doesn't work in real debates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFbQftMe6qY

Go to 1:08.
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>>133397385
Read OPs post more carefully.
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>>133397443
>American ruined video games
what
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>>133397311
Betch, there is people calling RWBY an anime, I'm betting my ass this so called "anime" Netflix is producing is just gonna be some anime-inspired western shit
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>>133395723
It won't be in Japanese so it'll be shit.
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>>133397476
You made my day.
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>>133397494
What's EA, Activision, Bethesta, etc?
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>>133395723
>What's going to happen?
Business as usual. They have a Japanese office which will be one of many media partners on animu production committees. They'll most likely fund shows in exchange for streaming rights outside of Japan.
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>>133397476
I said real debates not a turf dispute
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>>133397455
Look up the definition of anime in pretty much every English dictionary. The problem comes from putting shit that isn't similar at all in the same category while removing ones that are just because of what kind of person made it. Legit weaboos pushed this stupid elitist shit because they hate filthy gaijins and want to feel even the tiniest bit of superiority over others.

>>133397418
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
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>>133397476
I never thought I'd say this, but...

/pol/ was right.
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>>133397494
The AAAAAAAAAAAAA games. First person simpleton shooters at it's finest. Just point and click and win.

But I doubt they can do the same with anime.

>>133397526
>Betch, there is people calling RWBY an anime

Then they aren't people but subhuman shits. Let's really wait first and watch Netflix's next move. Who knows? You might be condemning it this week and the next thing you know they announce that Kyoani or MADHOUSE will be giving a hand.
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>>133395723

Anime and chill
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>>133397443
He's smarter than you think
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>>133397526
Wasn't RWBY made by a Japanese guy?
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>>133397650
>image

I should have known it would be something stupid like that.
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netflix+gainax when m8?
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>>133397645
You mean just usual fap?
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>>133397690
Who died in Texas, yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Oum
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>>133397690
Nah, it was some shitter from Rhode Island
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>>133397616
Battlefield? I think that ends this right?
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>>133397476
>CEDA 2014 finals
>The Cross Examination Debate Association is the largest intercollegiate policy debate association in the United States.
>Not a real debate
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>>133397616
>MADHOUSE
If only in their prime, they're just a generic studio now
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Gta?
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>>133397724

But what if it's actually decent?
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>>133397754
They butchered battlefield, and even patched 2 to its death
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>>133397250
>/co/
Fuck off. You know very well it belongs on /tv/. Toonami should have been shoved off to /tv/ too for that matter.
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>>133397604
>an·i·me a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children.
>a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children.
> a style of Japanese film
>Japanese
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>>133395723
Netflix's anime selections trend towards action-adventure focused stuff so it'd be nice if we could see something that wasn't just crafted to sell the source material, uncensored Blu-Rays and miscellaneous merchandise.

Anything that isn't just the same tired fucking LN and manga formulas would be nice though.
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>>133395867
I'm still fucking angry.
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>What's going to happen?

Well they're going to make it.
Then it'll get banned from /a/ for not being anime and will have to go on /co/.
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>>133397950

>Then it'll get banned from /a/ for not being anime and will have to go on /co/.

Pretty sure /co/ is going to send this right back to /a/
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>>133397950
You do realize Japanese company's are still going to make the actual anime right? And it's still going to be based of manga? The only thing that's going to change is more is going to be made and Netflix will own it.
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>>133397970
Nah they will eat that shit.

Hell, they still have Toonami generals over there
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Hey, can the HS bot rip Netflix yet? Taking screenshots of the Netflix browser player is a bit inelegant.
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>>133397970
Sorry to tell you this but what /co/ wants doesn't mean shit. If it's not made in japan by the japanese it's western according to the rules of 4chan. Even stuff that's partially made by the japanese like ladybug are considered western.
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>>133395723
I hope they'll speak in jap so Commie will sub it.
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>>133396782
>jack and jill
>$79 million
>$149.7 million
>happy gilmore
>$12 million
>$41.2 million
>the wedding singer
>$18 million
>$123.3 million

pls shut up
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>>133397877
>a style of Japanese film
>a style of Japanese
>a style
>style
And look up more than the piss poor dictionary.com

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/anime
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anime
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A Netflix Original

Fred-chan's MEGATOKYO

starring the voice talents of David Hayter, Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day
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>>133398031

You're telling me Netflix isn't going to get people in Japan to make this? They are just gonna own it.
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>>133398031
Except that's BULLSHIT. Oban Star Racers is always discussed on /a/ and /m/, and not allowed on /co/. Halo Legends, Mass Effect whatever, and the Animatrix are all considered to be /a/ material more than /co/ material, and they were discussed to death on this board. The only reason Ladybug is sent to /co/ is because it's 3DCG and not traditional anime nor based on a Japanese media property like Sidonia was.
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>>133397970
/co/ accepts all of /a/'s abominations they don't want. Look at RWBY, Sonic, and Toonami.
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>>133398096
>/co/ is forced to accepts all of /a/'s abominations they don't want
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>>133398127
I actually meant that, yeah.
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>>133396782
Literally the highest grossing film of all time made only half of 5 billion, dude. The numbers in this thread are retarded.
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>>133397567
the creators of some of the best videogames ever created?
>>133397616
so you'd rather all videogames be JRPGs?
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>>133398016
I still say Toonami threads belong on /a/. The discussion would at least be higher-level over here and I wouldn't have to deal with retards posting shit like
>Why is Akame ga Kill so crap? Why doesn't the series focus on the Jaegers?
>Why can Kana sense parasites in Parasyte?
>Is Michiko a kek?
>Shikamaru is so based.
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I hope Netflix gets Trigger, Bones, or Madhouse to make something.
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>>133398096
>RWBY
Entirely Western.
>Sonic
Discussion belongs on /a/.
>Toonami
Discussion belongs on /a/.
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>>133398057
If you thought those links supported your argument, you thought wrong. More like the opposite.

>style
What kind of style? Oh, a Japanese one. Glad the dictionary definition cleared that up and you were back to square one.
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If they don't hire a Japanese writer/director for the project they will only be throwing money into a hole.

Even if they do hire a good Japanese writer/director they still will be throwing money into the hole unless it manages to strike gold somehow because most anime projects don't return a lot of money.
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Pretend all these characters are American company's. Pretend Leeroy is Netflix. Watch what happens

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqhcmK68HA
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>>133398151
>so you'd rather all videogames be JRPGs?
No. But I'd rather not have the same fucking thing over and over and over until we get to Medal of Honor 20 or Call of Duty 99.
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>>133398152
>dubbed entry-level shit on /a/
No thanks
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>>133398239
Do I need to mention how many Final Fantasy games there are?
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>>133398152
Akame ga Kill is shit and you are a shit-eater for liking it. Everybody is fine with Toonami being on /co/, we don't want those mouth breathers here and nobody here is even interested in talking about terrible shows or shows that have been over for years.
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>>133395723
They will close down like Hulu Japan.

Now fuck off Netflix shills.
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>>133398276
>nobody here is even interested in talking about terrible shows or shows that have been over for years.

Even I know this is a damn lie
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>>133396782
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>>133398232
>not the original

Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLyOj_QD4a4
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>>133398266
That has made switches from turn based to action based to MMO to a fighting game? Sure, go ahead. All it's missing is a FPS.
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>>133398193
I think his point is that a style is not exclusive to it's region of origin. I can cook "Italian style food" in my kitchen, which isn't in Italy. They can make a "Japanese style cartoon/film" (aka an anime) in a place that isn't Japan.

It's not the "being made in Japan" that makes it anime, it's the style. So if they make something in the same style, but not made in Japan, it can be considered anime.
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>>133398333
So Call of Duty having a fuckton of games is fine if they switch genres after their 10th game? You sound like either a pretty big weeb or a pretty big idiot.
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>>133398309
Oh man, we just can't keep a lid on all those Michiko and Hacchin threads! People going off the fucking wall over One Piece episodes from the early 00s, and Shitpudding episodes from who-the-fuck-cares.

Fuck, even KLK sees basically no discussion these days. The hottest topic they have on the block now is Parasyte and /a/ got tired of that show months ago already.

To say nothing of AgK, possibly the rankest turd on the block aside from Nardo.
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Final Fantasy isn't the same game outside of naming references, though. The game mechanics and stories are always changing instead of being ossified and being JUST THE WAY I LIKE THEM like Dragon Quest, for example.
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>>133398193
A style can be used by all nationalities, retard.

>a style of animation originating in Japan
That literally means a style that first appeared in Japan. It doesn't mean it has to be from Japan to be that style. Merriam Webster's dictionary is one of the largest and most used dictionary producing companies in the world, it holds much more to it than a shitty website made a few years ago.
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>>133398062
>megatokyo
I haven't heard that name in a while. How's Fred-chan doing?
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>>133398210
It's not like they need to sell Blu-Rays and event tickets. If they can fund things like House of Cards or Marco Polo and buy the rights to the Netflix Marvel series, an anime series is a drop in the bucket.
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>>133398347
It's not a Japanese style of animation. It's a style of Japanese animation. There's a difference.
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>>133398373

Didn't mean what's on Toonami, I mean the threads on /a/ now. Pretty a good number of people on /a/ ARE interested in talking about terrible shows
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Make harry potter anime and swim in dollars.
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>>133398435
Which has fuck all to do with the topic of the discussion into which you injected your shitty opinion.
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>>133398367
Do I even need to tell you how limited the tech was back then compared to now? Go try starting your count from 7 up to 10 and that's only 3 main games.
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>>133398394
So basically it's going to be trash then. I mean, if they don't care about audience appeal then they're just going to do some faggy "auteur project" or someshit that nobody but the director will care about.
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>>133398378
The only thing that needs to be said about this video game argument is Grant Theft Auto. Why you making things hard on yourself?
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>>133397476

I should of stopped when I had a chance.

1:08:00 . . . fuck

>>133397787

Can't be the biggest

hii haaa *taptaptpa*

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Why not post an article OP? Maybe I'll submit my anime to Netflix instead of Adult Swim in 5 years
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>>133398057
>And look up more than the piss poor dictionary.com
>the oxford definition is literally the same definition
>The definition doesn't claim that its a style originating from japan but a Japanese style.
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>>133398373
If people make a thread about it, anons will post in it. That's the way /a/ works. I mean, look at the fucking catalog right now.

>Thread about a stupid mystery manga that got axed
>Chaika
>Bleach
>Infinite Stratos
>Nichijou
>Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei

It's full of old-ass shit. Your argument is illogical, incorrect, and stupid.
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>>133398468
The tech is meaningless, they could have branched out to another genre at any time.
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>>133398536
No, your argument is stupid.
>I post shit on /a/, ergo people enjoy talking about it!
No you dumb faggot it just means there's shitposters on /a/. My statement was not meant to imply that trolls and shitposters do not exist, but apparently I have to add fine print disclaimers to common sense statement so thickheaded dipshits like you can keep up.
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>>133398522
>This Winchester rifle is an American gun, but it was made in China so it's not an American gun!
Not either of those anons, but this is how retarded you sound. Anime is just a style as far as the proper English dictionary is concerned.
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>>133398588
No it's not. It's Japanese animation. Even the definitions you gave said as much. If it's not made in Japan, for a Japanese audience, using Japanese conventions, it's not anime.
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>>133398642
Lol anime is short for animation. And the word itself does not refer to Japan in any way.
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>>133398588
Anime literally means cartoon. Is it made in japan and is a cartoon? Then it's an anime, made anywhere else it's just a cartoon.

Why is that so hard to understand?
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>>133398690
>>133398679
Go ahead and make a Family Guy thread right now and see how long it takes for a janny to remove it. Just because it means that in Japan doesn't mean it means that in the west.
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>>133398642
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>>133398725
>kotaku
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>>133398583

Pretty sure you're the thickheaded dipshit here.
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>>133395723
American culture will fuck it up because Americans still view all anime as porn, speed racer, or DBZ

Plus I doubt it'll have loli if it's aimed at a western audience, and the forced multiculturalism will be abundant
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>>133395723
I don't think they said they were producing their own anime, but would acquire rights to currently existing shows, a la CR and Funi.

Maybe I'm wrong.
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>>133398784
So it will be like studio jhibli?
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>>133398784
>American culture will fuck it up because Americans still view all anime as porn, speed racer, or DBZ
At what point did you stop paying attention to the climate of anime in NA? It's not like that anymore. The fact Netflix is even doing this proves as much. A lot of their streaming is from the anime section.
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>>133398642
That's not me, and that's wrong. It's defined as a style originating or created in Japan, that literally means the style came from Japan. If you're an actual English speaking person and not an autistic weaboo, it is anime if it looks like anime.

>>133398690
Because it's a fucking stupid definition that isn't even correct. I don't look for shit that looks like a cartoon when I'm looking for anime, I'm looking for anime. I'm not looking for shit that looks like anime when I'm looking for a cartoon. It categorizes things that are not similar in any way and only furthers the weaboo Nippon wank. More and more people are moving to the actual definition of anime being a style with all these new series coming out that are blurring the line between "anime" and "cartoon".
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>>133398541
And so does CoD and MoH right now, moreso than what FF can change into during the SNES era.

But I'm not seeing any change. At all.
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>>133398917
>The definition of this has to change because I don't like it and it's confusing for me!

Okay then
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Why can't they just fund an adaptation of something popular already instead?
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Anime is animation made in Japan, it's called that way because of the way it is, all anime have the same sort of style in animation, directing, storytelling and culture in general.
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>>133399052
because it might only be popular in japan for all netflix knows

if they fund an anime that isn't popular in NA, regardless of how popular it is in japan, it would be pointless
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>>133395723
You mean 5million right? 5 billion is way too much for an anime
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>>133398977
No, the definition is and has always been a style, this is my whole point. The common definition on the internet is an asinine one that people only use to feel superior when they go "no you filthy casual, it only LOOKS exactly like an anime, it's not really one!"
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>>133399123
>if they fund an anime that isn't popular in NA, regardless of how popular it is in japan, it would be pointless

So what anime/genre is popular in NA right now?

I'm guessing either SOL or TypeMoon shit.
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>>133395723
>What's going to happen?
Netflix saves anime
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>>133399219
It's not being elitist, it's using the word properly. I bet you use Shonen and Seinen as genres instead of just demographics.
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>>133398913
I didn't say anime fans view it that way, but when I see anime parodied in more modern TV it's almost always DBZ, Speed racer, or tentacles.

The top selling anime in the US are shonenshit anyway, so use that to speculate

>A lot of their streaming is from the anime section.
I'd like to see statistics on what percentage of streams are anime, and until I do I'll assume it isn't much compared to their TV and movies.
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>>133399093
No it's not. It's kinda like telling people the United States is not actually America. Though most people believe it is. it's not true. That's why it's called the United States of America. As in located in America. Anime is just a term for animation. Even though many people like you believe it's for only cartoons created in Japan.
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>>133399219
Where are you even pulling that out of your ass anon? Kotaku?

It's okay anon I totally get it, you don't want to think. I find that part of you kind of cute but you shouldn't just come on the internet, tell lies, and expect people to agree.
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>>133399268
Anime is slang for cartoons in Japan

Of course it means something different to people in Japan
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>>133399268
I would call your image anime style, I wouldn't call a western cartoon in an anime style anime though, they're vastly different.
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>>133395723

Excellent. I bet they come up with way better shit than most Japanese producers are coming up with and make it look easy. Imagine 5 billion dollars being dropped on anime without having to cater exclusively to Japanese otaku and a few years ago I would have called it a pipe dream. All they have to do is make sure Aniplex has absolutely no part in it and I say fucking go for it.
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Jap = ANIMEtion
West = japANIMEtion
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>>133395723
>anime with the same directors and staff but 1000x the budget

This can only be a good thing.
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>>133395723
That's not what was said at all, retard
It was actually:
>Netflix CEO plans on spending 5 billion dollars on new content next year
which includes things like "anime" and "Bollywood" styled shows, whatever that means
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>>133399360
And somehow the directors messes it up because of MUH ARTISTIC FREEDUM or because they hate the MC or something.

5 billion, or at least part of it, down the drain.
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>>133399254
Except it's not using the word properly. That definition is full of holes and constantly changes to kick out new series that come by.

>>133399282
I'm not the anon that linked the Kotaku article, and even then, just because it's your boogyman site doesn't mean it's not true. It's common knowledge that anime just means cartoon in Japan.
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Get ready for shitty forced animation.
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One characteristic of Anime is that it makes western mainstream cringe, I hope Netflix doesn't take too much influence from its western live action series.
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>>133399412
Can you name one show that mimics anime on more than an art style level please
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>>133397476
/pol/ was right again
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>>133399412
You're really pushing this anon.

I guess if I make a flip book of your waifu getting fucked in the ass that's "anime" by your definition.

I'm now a pro in the anime industry so everything I say goes.
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>>133399329
Good job I'm glad you are able to see the difference in styles. However they are both birds of a feather. They are animated story's. Cartoons of you will.
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>>133399501
If"
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Anime made in the west is still anime
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>>133399411
What are you on?

Netflix let Sense8 exist.
Sense fucking 8, and they're still supporting Knights of Sidonia.

Netflix execs aren't the type to limit writers. If anything we'll finally get an adaptation of some really fun anime.

Spirit Circle might get a fucking anime.
Sakura Sakura might get an anime
Maybe it'll be horror like Hakaijuu.

There's a bunch of stuff they can adapt that can resonate with mainstream audiences but because they're continuing the partnership with Knights of Sidonia it's pretty safe to say Netflix is pretty chill no matter the content.
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>>133399501
How don't you get that anime is a genre of animation?
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>>133399266
No, even on a mainstream level people are pretty hip to what anime is. Even if it only expands to what /a/ would consider entry level titles.
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>>133399606
Because it's factually not. But you can believe what you want. Fun fact! Some people like to still believe Columbus discovered America.
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>>133397476
What the actual fuck. I can understand 1/3 words.
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>>133399266
>I'd like to see statistics on what percentage of streams are anime, and until I do I'll assume it isn't much compared to their TV and movies.
Do you know why they put money into House of Cards? Because the numbers showed people were streaming character dramas.

I don't have stats but it's been known that Netflix makes moves based directly on customer activity.
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>>133399542
Only if the style feels like Japanese.

Like Psychopass. No matter how many western elements are there it still feels like authentic Japanese anime.

>>133399576
>What are you on?

Nothing. I'm just predicting a hypothetical future where Netflix decided to produce an anime adaptation of some story from manga/LN/game and the directors messes it up.
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>>133399676
Are you baiting? I really can't tell at this point.
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>>133397476
Holy shit. Even the autistic shitflinging on /a/ is more coherent and made more logical sense that that.
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Why do people think a Netflix show will be ruined by American culture? Sidonia turned out fine.
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>>133399730
If that's the same guy who posted >>133399501
it's pretty clear he's baiting at this point.
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>>133399471
Anime is literally an artstyle though, and there are plenty of "anime" that don't mimic each other in any aspect other than art style. Some don't even have the art style or common tropes of anime and are called such..

But just for the sake of the argument, look at Wakfu, Cannon Busters, and RWBY. All have typical tropes seen in anime along with the style.
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>>133399542
Devil's Legacy CEO please. Don't squander the remaining 9 Fathers.
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>>133399722
>muh feels
no
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>>133399775
"anime" is an artstyle
"manga" is an artstyle
"anime" is a genre of animation
"manga" is a genre of comic
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Moe SoL is fucking doomed
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>>133399791
It would be pretty shitty if it feels like Family Guy or The Simpsons.
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>>133399765
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It's all chinese cartoons one way or another. Stop being autistic.
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>>133399749
Because it's an excuse to bitch about America.
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>>133397476
Sougon-sama was right. Akira wasn't the Savior after all.
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Black Lagoon could've easily been written and directed by Americans. Their "oh so wacky" Japanese sensibilities aren't present in every show, just the shitty ones we like.
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>>133399749
Netflix had fuck-all to do with Sidonia except acquiring the rights to stream it after production had finished.
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oi /a/, where my simpsons? it's popular animation
what gives?
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>>133399877
Yeah, I can definitely see a director approving a writer adding in two crossdressing incest battle maids.
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>>133399903
boondocks is anime too since it looks the part, google that
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>>133399775
Wakfu is anime! You heard it here first, folks. Wakfu thread when?
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>>133399816
Anime is a style of animation
Manga is a style of comic
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>>133399877
>Black Lagoon could've easily been written and directed by Americans
Americans are known for their love of meidos and murdering lolis and shotas, yes. You're a dumbfuck.
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>>133399933
You could call all genres styles, anon.
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>>133399923
As far as the English dictionary is concerned, yes, it is.
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So what if Disney decides to do anime too?
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>>133399952
>>133399908
>being a pedantic nitpicker
I mean the general plot and tone of the show, not specific cherrpicked ideas that didn't make the show what it is.
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>>133399775
>Anime is literally an artstyle though
No it's not. Anime have varied artstyles. Teekyuu and Jojo are both anime. Ping Pong and K-On are both anime. K is an anime and so is Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, and so is Panty and Stocking.

Know what they have in common? Made in Japan, by Japanese people, for Japanese people.
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>>133399988
Any show could be "American" if you conveniently forget about the parts that make it anime.
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>>133399219
>The definition that I use is the real one! The one that everyone else uses is wrong!

Are you feeling euphoric, anon?
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>>133400022
You can't pick and choose what make something anime. It's an artstyle.
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This anime/cartoon argument is kinda ridiculous. Is anybody in this thread even Japanese?
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>>133399988
>I mean the general plot and tone of the show,
You mean the things nobody claimed were specifically and distinctly Japanese? Anyone can write a noir action story. It's not a genre beholden to a specific culture. What makes it anime is the specifically Japanese conventions and tropes that flavor it.

No American would have made Black Lagoon with battle maids or underage twins making out in pools of blood. Ever.
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>>133400074
I've never been to the moon but I can argue that it isn't made of cheese.
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>>133400022
>lolis and shotas are the unique qualities that make something anime or not
k
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>>133400055
I can make boondocks/wakfu generals on /a/ now, right? They look anime so they're obviously anime/manga related.

Thanks anon really cleared that up for me.
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>>133400055
>You can't pick and choose what make something anime
Funny because that's what you're doing. It's funny that your definition of anime specifically leaves out all the stuff that marks it as distinct from western shit. Even though that's literally how it ends up being defined. God you're dumb.

You literally strip away all the unique parts of anime then claim "look anyone can make anime! you just have to take all the anime stuff out of it first!"
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>>133400095
All I'm saying is Black Lagoon doesn't feature qualities that are strictly Japanese, at least not in terms of it's tone and direction. Yet we accept it as being anime.

If you wouldn't accept the same show from an American (and let's be honest, you wouldn't) then you shouldn't accept it from Japan.
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>>133400097
What what's the point? That's what I'm getting at?
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Should pick up and finish Bleach
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>>133397476
>literal ape noises
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>>133399893
Except they paid for part of it, and didn't ask for ANY changes to be made.

That's why people are confident Netflix won't fuck up any anime they make.
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>>133400129
Are you saying that every anime has wacky Japanese shit in it? Literally every anime?
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>>133400136
>All I'm saying is Black Lagoon doesn't feature qualities that are strictly Japanese
Except the ones I mentioned. I could go into how specific framing and focus are done differently between cultures, but it'd clearly go over your head since you don't know anything about this topic.
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>>133398052
>the best and one of the very few non shit movies Adam Sandler has made makes 42 million dollars
>literall shit like Jack & Jill makes 149 million

What the fuck
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>>133400009
Dexters lab and Family Guy are both considered cartoony styled. They don't have to be exactly alike to be the same style. But with the proper English definition, I don't think P&S or Shin-Chan or anything like that would qualify as anime, and rightfully so. They are not categorized as something someone would consider anime at first glance.

>>133400054
Well, technically, yeah. A vast majority of normal people would consider Avatar and LoK anime while excluding P&S or something like that. You're free to use whatever retarded definition you please, but that doesn't make the other person wrong when they have the proper English definition on their side.
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They should pay madhouse to continue OPM after cour one
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>>133400173
>Except they paid for part of it
No they didn't. They're literally not credited ANYWHERE in the production, they're only billed as the distributor for English audiences. You're aware that it's a manga series right? It was an adaptation produced by an entirely Japanese studio for Japanese audiences.
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MAKE IT HAPPEN FUCKERS
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>>133400178
Literally all anime are colored by Japanese culture, yes. The fact you think this is limited to "wacky" things and that you can't pinpoint the Japanese influences speaks volumes of your ignorance.
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>>133400129
>every anime has these tropes and clichés! If it doesn't, it's not anime!
You're fucking retarded, m8.
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>>133400189
I just have a hard to believing that removing those things would prevent it from being anime. Surely you don't believe that.
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>Animate sells RWBY soundtracks and BDs
>doesn't sell simpsons DVDs

why doesn't animate sell mah animations?
what gives?
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>>133397443
>>133397616
>Americans made the most popular games! Fucking cancer!
You sound bootyblasted.
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Can we go back to calling anime japanimation please?
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I don't get why you guys even bother to argue about this. It's pretty obvious what anime Netflix is actually funding.
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>>133400238
That'd be a loss for them though since most 13 year olds can't afford Netflix.
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>>133400306
Because The Simpsons isn't anime.
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>>133400272
Culture has nothing to do with it buddy. If that's what makes a show legitimately anime to YOU, that's fine. But don't project your definition onto the world.
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>>133400290
See, it's like I'm talking to a 5 year old. You can't even follow a simple line of reasoning, let alone the details of this topic. But here I go again, trying despite all evidence you are a simpleton:

Anime is defined as Japanese animation. This is because the animation produced by the Japanese possesses distinct qualities that mark it as different. If it didn't, if Japanese animation was really so homogenous with the rest of the world's entertainment, there would be no special term for it in English, and nobody would consider it different from normal cartoons. But that's not the case, is it?

Like all outsiders and ignoramuses who know nothing of anime, you reverse cause and effect. You think anime's distinctness is something artificially created by fans, when in fact it's the reverse. It only has dedicated fans because it's distinct.

The fact remains you have no counter to the presence of battle maids and murderous children in Black Lagoon. You absolutely cannot deny no American would create a series with these elements, because they don't exist as tropes in American culture.
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>>133400362
B..but RWBY isn't anime either!It's produced in the West! Why is animate selling it?

Why does animate sell RWBY cartoons but not my simpsons cartoons?
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>>133400370
Except my definition is the one the world recognizes. Anime is Japanese animation, period. Foreign cultures try to imitate it, but it always feels wrong because it's just a shallow copy of superficial elements.

It doesn't feel like anime. It doesn't look like anime except in the most vague of ways. I laugh at people who claim Avatar or Wakfu "look" like anime. It's like they're fucking blind.
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>>133400416
You needn't waste breath anon.

If it's made in japan it's anime. As simple as that.

The people we're arguing with are saying wakfu is anime but P&S isn't. This isn't even worth the effort.
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>>133400320
>Americans made the most popular games!
Not even mad because you muscular army men can't be more famous than a hollywood mouse or an Italian plumber or a blue hedgehog or a blue robot.
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>>133400461
>breath
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>>133400322
no. anime is global now. its not some sort of new weeb orientalism or any shit like that. its a style that can be mass produced anywhere for anyone. thats just something youre going to have to learn to accept and move on.
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>>133400476
>its a style that can be mass produced anywhere for anyone
No it can't. You can't produce a single example of anime made outside Japan.
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>>133400531
http://www.animate-onlineshop.jp/products/list.php?mode=search&smt=RWBY
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>he thinks anime is dying
>when crunchyroll and similar sites are collectively growing in popularity at a rapid pace

Just check tumblr and reddit if you want anymore proof. Tokyo Ghoul and OPM are major hits in the west (CGDCT probably still has a while to catch on though)

Attack on Titan was the primary catalyst if you weren't already aware.
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>>133400574
Not anime.
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>>133400232
>I don't think P&S or Shin-Chan or anything like that would qualify as anime, and rightfully so.
>I think the definition I hold for anime is more accurate then what the vast majority of people who use the term think

This is too much. I don't know if you're baiting or actually retarded, but please just leave. You don't belong here.
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>>133400474
Was that wrong, oh dear.

I seem to have dropped the ball.
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>>133400586
then why is animate selling it?
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>>133400416
Man take it easy, I've probably been watching anime longer than you. I didn't mean for this to turn semantic. My only point is that in terms of quality, direction, and tone, there are plenty of anime we know and love that could be created by non-Japanese. You can call the end result whatever you want, I don't fucking care. But the product itself won't be so strikingly different because it doesn't feature Japan's overdone tropes riddled throughout.
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>>133400341
This. And it's going to save anime.
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>>133400232
We got a word for people who make up their own definition for words and then try to convince everyone else that they're wrong: shitheads.
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>>133400456
>Except my definition is the one the world recognizes.
Funny because I pulled up 3 different sources defining anime and none speak on culture as a defining attribute. You're talking out of your ass.
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>>133400607
I wasn't aware an online merchant was the cultural authority on what is anime. Oh wait, it isn't. It just sells products to people.
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>>133400641
One of the sources noted action as one of the defining elements, I don't think the retards that run dictionary websites are capable of making this decision.
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>>133400655
then who is?
is it all you western fans?
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doesn't anime mean animation in the Japanese language
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>>133400476
This. Anime isn't a niche form of entertainment anymore. Get with the times and learn it's become a global thing now.

>>133400531
Boondocks, Legend of Korra, Cannon Busters, RWBY. But you're just going to say "hurr durr you can't because anime is Japan itself!!!"
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>>133400641
Literally every definition of anime I look up says it is Japanese animation. You can't find a definition of it that doesn't mention Japan.

Your entire attempt to strip the definition of its cultural origin is transparently an exercise in post-modernist globalization and watering down culture you don't even understand.
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>>133400690
Fair enough. If we're going to pull the "i'm more knowledgeable than everyone!" card there's no point in this.
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If anime is getting more popular, why is /a/ dying?

Checkmate atheists.
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>>133400719
>>Boondocks, Legend of Korra, Cannon Busters, RWBY. But you're just going to say "hurr durr you can't because anime is Japan itself!!!"
Because that's true. They aren't anime. And part of Boondocks was actually made by Madhouse, and you can see the influence on the animation in the second season because of that, but it's still not anime because it's not written or directed by Japanese people nor was it made for Japanese people.
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>>133400732
Japan is a place, not a culture. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Your repeated use of ad hominen tells me you're having a hard time with this. It's okay.
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>>133400719
Make a thread for those here and see what happens anon

A couple of redirects to /co/ then an inevitable 404

They're not anime, I don't know why these people are arguing culture or anything like that. If it's made in japan it's anime. As simple as that.
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>>133400692
yes, just like how panzerkampfwagen means tank in german but whether or not to call a churchill a churchill or a panzer is left up to the germans
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>>133400786
That post didn't even contain ad hominem. Also

>Japan is a place, not a culture
>seriously trying to argue that Japanese culture doesn't exist
It's like I'm literally talking to a PoMo stereotype.
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>>133400594
>I think the definition I hold for anime is more accurate then what the vast majority of people who use the term think
The world is bigger than the animu forums you lurk all day. Go up to any high schooler or woman in her 30's show them a picture of The Boondocks and they'll call it anime.

>>133400630
But I didn't make up my own definition, it says right there in several dictionaries that anime is just a style.
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>>133400748
I'm more knowledgeable than the people running dictionary websites when it comes to anime because I watch anime.
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Just call it American Anime. Why are you retards spazzing out about definitions? It doesn't matter.
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>>133400831
>it says right there in several dictionaries that anime is just a style.
A Japanese style. If you're not Japanese, you can at best only imitate it.
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>>133400811
>A couple of redirects to /co/ then an inevitable 404
Oh, I wouldn't count on that if I were you. For the past few weeks, there's been a notable increase in off-topic threads hit bump limit.
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>>133400780
>its not anime because i say its not because japan
no
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>>133400772
Because newfags can't into lurk more or board culture and just flatly leave.

Outside /a/ there are a lot of other communities. Yes, even ones that worship loli, shouta, incest, /ss/ and /ll/.
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>>133395867
With a little luck Netflix might fund a half-decent sci-fi anime with a less choppy framerate. And maybe it'll also have a better ending.
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>>133400872
Yes, actually. That's the definition of anime. If it's not made for Japanese audience by Japanese people it's not anime.
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>>133400811
Just because a site bans it in the anime board doesn't mean it's not anime. RWBY is on Crunchyroll and Kissanime, so you consider it anime now, right?
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>>133400818
Anime doesn't have to contain Japanese culture.
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>>133400888
>sci-fi
>MJP 2 MJP 2 MJP 2

I want it.
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>>133400871
Off topic threads sure but none pertaining to any of those shows you mentioned. The shitposting on /a/ has nothing to do with this discussion.

>>133400831
If the country of origin for anime is japan why should any other source really matter all that much in defining it? Go find a japanese dictionary definition for it and come back.
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I vote we start calling it Japanimation again.
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>>133400866
No, a style of Japanese animation or a style originating in Japan. That's what the dictionary says.
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>>133400609
>in terms of quality, direction, and tone, there are plenty of anime we know and love that could be created by non-Japanese
This is your opinion, not fact.

>But the product itself won't be so strikingly different because it doesn't feature Japan's overdone tropes riddled throughout.
>But the product itself won't be so strikingly different
This would only be true if the quality, direction and tone could be perfectly replicated from one culture/country to another which is conjecture at best.
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>>133400908
There you go again, putting the cart before the horse. Not even understanding the conversation.

Anime by definition IS Japanese culture. It's made by Japanese people, for Japanese people. You take out the Japan and what do you have? Not anime. Just normal animation.
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>itt: No one understands how much a billion dollars is
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Since Korea and Indonesia do all the actual animation should we make up a name for their anime?
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>>133400917
Well, Japan calls all animation "anime".
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>>133400917
>you mentioned
I'm not the guy you were talking to. It's just that on the subject, I dare say threads about those shows might in fact garner more discussion than actual anime threads.
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>>133400894
>That's the definition of anime.
no, no its not
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>>133400917
>If the country of origin for anime is japan why should any other source really matter all that much in defining it?
Because you're an English speaking person using a Japanese word that was brought into the English language. If you want to use the Japanese term, then all cartoons are anime.
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>>133400945
You're desperately trying to twist around the fact that there's no such thing as anime that isn't Japanese. Literally every definition mentions Japan and being Japanese. Anime as a term exists because anime is so distinct from other types of animation. We don't have a special word for Canadian animation do we? Or African animation? Or Russian animation? No we don't.

Yet we have one for naime.
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>>133399542
Anime started off as influenced by Disney, but over the last 50 years, Japan has polished it enough to be it's own unique thing that's deeply rooted to the Japanese culture. This is why it's difficult to emulate anime, and some western media could only copy it superficially (face faults and big eyes).
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>>133400975
Just like all normies in the west call anime cartoons.
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>>133400908
Tell that to the Japanese and see how hard they laugh at you.
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Tumblr,femenists, diversity, LGBT. ...
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>>133400947
So the tone and direction of all anime is influenced by race? Fuck off, maybe for your moe 4 panel adaptions. But there are more shows than that.
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Let's just have a quick vote to see what is happening right now

http://strawpoll.me/5977262
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>>133401001
This is really the best you got? A definition clearly written by another PoMo dipshit that still can't help but bitterly admit it's distinctly Japanese?
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>>133400951
>Anime by definition IS Japanese culture
Source it.
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>>133401043
a style originally created in japan =/= a style that is only japanese
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>>133400831
>Go up to any high schooler or woman in her 30's show them a picture of The Boondocks and they'll call it anime.

This is hilarious. You are this delusional. The average person wouldn't even know what the fuck the boondocks is, nor be able to discern that it looks like fucking anime or even care about the difference. You'd be lucky if any of them even knew what the fuck anime was. They're not going to look at the boondocks, and think, "this is an anime". Holy fuck.
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>>133401001
>and stories that have a lot of action

It's not my fault you're consulting something that has the wrong definition for it.
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>>133401061
Why doesn't the definition mention any other cultures then? I mean if it truly is a global style like you post modernist morons claim, then why even bother mentioning Japan at all? Why not just say it's about "stark colors" or whatever? You know, really strip out all the elements that make it Japanese?

Oh right, because if you don't mention it's Japanese, people are going to be confused as to why virtually all anime is fucking Japanese.
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>>133401009
That's mostly because Japan is the only place with a worthwhile animation industry that isn't in English.
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Merge /co/ and /a/ when?

I can't talk about P&S on here anymore, it's not anime.
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>>133401096
No, it's because Japanese animation is different. Everybody can tell. It feels very distinct from other cultures' animated products.
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>arguing semantics
Don't do this to yourselves
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>>133401001
>if it's not action oriented and vibrantly colored it's not anime
Yeah that's clearly a credible definition.
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>>133401009
>spaghetti is called an italian dish in every dictionary, that obviously means you have to be italian to make it!
This is how you sound.

Anime is a term because it's a style of animation originating from Japan. It's a distinct style, like rotoscoping or 3DCG. No other country has made a style almost universally used there and in even close enough numbers, that's why we don't have names for them.
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>>133401133
If you want to take it in the context of /a/ discussion , it really all boils down to the mods' definition of what anime is

Hiro should have a sticky on this issue
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>>133401133
>produced by Gainax
>in Japan
>not anime
Explain
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>>133401039
https://strawpoll.me/5977279
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>>133401196
It's got a western style and just because it's made in japan doesn't mean it's anime! It's actually a cartoon!
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>>133401139
That's why it was called Japanimation.
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>>133401133
That's what /qa/ is for.
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You do all realize there is a way to prove who is right. Somone just needs to make a Avatar thread and see if that's banned. If not I'm sure Netflix anime will have a spot on /a/
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>>133401181
all of the day bro
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>>133401074
When was the last time you went outside? Everyone knows what anime is these days.
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I just want the end product to be good. I don't need "EHHHHHH??" reactions and token lolis in order to enjoy a stupid animation. Just make it good.

Just my 2 cents.
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>>133401247
>mods
>knowing anything
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>>133401184
>This is how you sound.
No, that's how your badly made strawman sounds. In the first place, anime is art. It's a collaborative process of various artists. All of them Japanese. Japanese people doing Japanese artwork for Japanese people. Explain to me how a foreigner can replicate this? It's not a fucking food dish where you just follow the recipe, and as long as you have the exact ingredients and follow the exact steps you get the same thing. By your logic if we took two people from different artistic and cultural backgrounds and put them in the same room and told them to draw the same still-life with the same tools using the same perspective, we'd get identical drawings.

But that's not how fucking art works you dumb piece of shit.
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>>133401215
I don't subscribe to the opinion that anime = style.
If it's made in Japan, and only Japan, then and only then is it anime. Full stop.
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>>133401261
I love how this definition even features nonsensical grammar, yet you still try to act like it's authoritative.
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>>133401247
>this particular website decides what anime is
So RWBY is anime because it's on Crunchyroll? And Toonami isn't /a/? Those mods sure are absolute, y'know!
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>>133401281
Probably not but I thought the whole argument was if mods would allow western anime on /a/
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>>133401284
If Madhouse moves to China so it can reduce costs does that make their shows cartoons?
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>>133401261
>Stylized colorful art

Texnolyze not anime? Better discuss that on /co/ now too.
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The vocal minority of /a/ wouldn't even allow VN discussion for titles that had upcoming adaptions. Same for LNs. They're incredibly persistent and pedantic when it comes to what is discussed here.
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Is it produced in Japan, by a Japanese studio? If so, it is anime.
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>>133401315
>hurr durr japan only is the anime definition as per all the definitions
>get btfo
>hurr durr those dont count ;_;
japan only fags, everyone
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>>133401336
Yes. Because MADHOUSE is now a Chinese company, not Japanese. Because they're in China. You literally answered your own question.
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>>133396285
>seriously comparing inflated costs of Murican animated comedy sitcom episodes to anime

FMA Brotherhood cost roughly 5 million for the entire series, iirc. Making anime, besides the high budget movies you see from studios like Ghibli, has always been cheap out of necessity. It's a drop in the bucket compared to the piles of money Netflix spends on their more popular live action stuff.

With just 100 million, Netflix could fund several 13 or 26 episode shows.
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>>133401351
Wouldn't that make Legend of Korra S2 an anime then?
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>>133401360
All you do is shitpost and post hilariously off-base definitions without any kind of commentary, proving your arguing for no other reason than to argue. You know nothing about this topic. In fact I doubt you're even from /a/, you're more likely from /co/ or some other outside-agitator board.

All your definitions STILL mention Japan (and only Japan) for a cultural reference. They then try to describe the "anime style" while hilariously excluding many well known anime in their ignorance (which is why laymen should never try to define art).
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>>133401386
western property exception.
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>>133401247
anon, we've had a bunch of retarded threads that have absolutely nothing to with anime hit 600+ posts. You really aren't thinking this through.
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>>133401262
Yeah, they know it as "cartoons from japan". But it's not so ingrained in their minds that you can show them a random animation and they will randomly say "this is an anime! this is a cartoon!". It's not the first thing that would even come to mind to the average person when showed the boondocks, or any other animated show. Because most people don't give a shit about anime or cartoons in general, they won't care enough about them to be able to tell the difference between cartoons and anime. That you seem to think otherwise just shows how delusional you are.
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>>133401364
>Yes. Because MADHOUSE is now a Chinese company, not Japanese. Because they're in China. You literally answered your own question.
An example that comes to mind is Kojima. His studio was in Los Angeles but he still called MGSV a "uniquely Japanese game".

Even though it's vidya, I'll take a Japanese creator's train of thought over yours.
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>>133401264
>not like 'EHHHHH?!?!?!!?' reactions
what a fag
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>>133396285
>$500,000 an episode
>$100,000,000 for a 10 episode season

>500,000 x 10 = 100,000,000
/a/, everyone
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>>133401386
Not made for Japanese audiences, so no. That's the two part deal: has to be made by Japanese people (written, drawn, voice acted) for Japanese people.
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>>133401403
>(which is why laymen should never try to define art)
>except me, im the authority on it
please, go on.
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>>133401386
No that wasn't made in Japan, it was animated in Japan, the story was written in America.
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>>133401386
>made for the Japanese
What do you not get about that?
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anime is only japanese status
[]not btfo
[x]BTFO

http://animeworld.com/editorials/defineanime.html
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A weeb falls in love with an anime.

Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the anime's complete BD box set. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately watches it, and is overjoyed to find out that it has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's marathon session to the anime, it only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the anime he watched is not the same anime he fell in love with. In fact, it doesn't exist in this universe at all. It is the anime's alternate cartoon counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of it's crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of ANIME.
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>>133401422
Didn't the LA studio only work on MGO?
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>>133401283
>anime is just so complex and exclusive to Japan that no gaijin could ever replicate it!
The creator of fucking Cannon Busters and Boondocks DID replicate it, retard. He even went to fucking Japan to work on it.

>>133401351
See what I've been talking about? You guys have so many differing definitions. The one you posted is what used to be the definition, but that would mean Legend of Korra is in fact anime. You move the goalposts whenever some gaijin actually slips through.
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if it's made in Japan it's anime

if it's made anywhere else fuck off back to /co/
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>>133401487
>Now that I've pushed the national origin thing to absurdity, let me make it clear that I'll be the first to agree that anime is Japanese in origin and is subtly influenced by Japanese culture. Japan is where it came from, after all.

Okay thanks anon
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>>133401515
>but that would mean Legend of Korra is in fact anime

>>133401452
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Let's not all panic here the anime Netflix will be producing will still be made by Japanese studios. It will just be owned by Netflix. So there would be no reason it wouldn't be allowed on /a/. Also all my friends call anime cartoons. And from what I hear people in japan call all animation anime. So it most likely all comes down to preference. Although technically anime is just short for cartoons.
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>>133401519
so korra s2 is anime?
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>>133401364
That's not how it works though. As long as they are still registered as a Japanese business and have a Japanese office, it's Japanese. Unless of course you're going to argue that Apple isn't an American company because they outsourced to China and Samsung isn't a Korean company because they offshored to Vietnam.
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>>133401445
I know more about it than whoever wrote those definitions, and most likely more than you too.
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How long do anime stay up on netflix? I know streaming is blasphemy on /a/, but I have a slight interest in watching Sidonia, but not enough to download.
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>>133401497
actually, it's only anime if it's made in japan
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>>133401551
>i know more about definitions then actual authorities on definitions
i see
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>>133401515
>The creator of fucking Cannon Busters and Boondocks DID replicate it
No he didn't. Neither of those are anime. Boondocks is an American comic. It's steeped in American culture. The second season was partially animated by Madhouse. The influence of that studio can be seen, but the show itself is not anime, nor does it feel like anime.
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>>133401531
You originally said animated with a Japanese studio and produced in Japan. Like I said, you're moving the goalpost to not let any filthy gaijins get through.
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>>133401514
When the Japanese studio folded and he was supposedly fired, they went to the LA studio and rushed to finish.
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>>133401497
>Ai-nime.
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>>133401515
First thing I did when I saw boondocks was "Holy shit looks just like anime!" not "Holy shit look at this anime!"
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I'm really not sure why are we all arguing when anime isn't just about style, but of target audience.

Anime is specifically made FOR Japanese audience. That's all there is to it.
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>>133401594
>your originally said animated
>produced in japan

I.E made by japanese people. Tons of western studios outsource to Korea, doesn't make their shit "korean".
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From Reddit

"The specific definition we use to determine "Anime" is "An animated series, produced and aired in Japan, intended for a Japanese audience". We do not consider anime to be a "style". That's too vague and makes it difficult to pin down where the line between anime and other kinds of animation lies. "Anime" in Japanese may mean animation more widely, but we are speaking English and there's no point using 'anime' in the West unless you're talking about Japanese animation. Thereby, "Anime relatedness" means discussion about a specific anime or set of anime, or about the circumstances in which anime is created generally."
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>>133401624
Literally this. Everything else is wrong.
/discussion
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>>133401578
>authority of definitions
Now you show you don't even know how dictionaries are written. Let me guess: you actually thought dictionaries were prescriptive huh? What a laugh.

Dictionaries are descriptive. Moreover their entries are biased to whoever took the sample. That's why they have different entries, because the meanings of words are based on different samples of the population. The authors of these dictionaries only have an interest in recording English words, they're not authorities on the topics they define.
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>>133401639
>Reddit
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>>133401555
The anime that are labeled "Netflix original" are pretty much gonna stay up forever.
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>>133401639
Your bait is getting more and more obvious, and people will fall for even this.
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>>133401624
This about sums it all up now that I think about it.
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>>133401624
Morons who know nothing about anime want their favorite non-anime shit to be made here. /co/tards and gooks who want to discuss gookshit. I have no clue why this thread even exists, it should have been deleted ages ago.
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>>133401639
I'm surprised it took someone this long to cite reddit. Not bad.
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>>133401648
Not really because that would make all anime targeted at western audiences not anime.
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>>133401555
>2015
>falling for the "streaming is bad" meme
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>>133401585
Now you're saying anime has to have Japanese culture in it? What about the countless fantasy series that don't have moeshit or anything like that?

>>133401624
So Big O and Space Dandy aren't anime? And RWBY is now anime because it's being marketed and dubbed in Japanese?

>>133401633
The Japanese did help produce LoK and Cannon Busters.
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>>133401714
>anime targeted at western audiences
No such thing.
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>>133400207
Blame the multitudes of people who bother to watch his films regardless of if they're shitty or not.
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>>133401717
>2015
>Believing streaming has anywhere near the same quality as downloads
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>>133401714
For example according the that logic Trigun is not an anime
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>>133398917
So do dipshits who think anime can't be made outside of Japan also think Expressionist films can't be made outside of Germany?
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I don't think anyone actually want on Japanese material to be discussed here. We're simply arguing for sport, because in 2015 the definition of anime is a little sketchy.
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>>133401714
>all anime targeted at western audiences
So nothing then? Even Space Dandy, which was dubbed simultaneously in Japanese and English, was aimed at Japanese audiences.
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>>133401727
Big O and Space Dandy weren't made 100% with the western audience in mind though. That's just stupid. A more western influenced anime sure but it's not like they're completely dismissing the place of origin for the god damn shows.
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>>133401738
Get this right, cavemen made paintings in their caves and anyone can replicate this, but even if you replicate it perfectly it's not a caveman cave painting.
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>>133401727
>So Big O and Space Dandy aren't anime?
If those aren't originally targeted for Japanese then why are they voiced in Japanese?

>it's being marketed and dubbed in Japanese?
Was the original audience the Japs?
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>>133401746
*non-Japanese
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>>133401729
Umm Trigun?
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>>133401727
>Now you're saying anime has to have Japanese culture in it?
It has to be made by Japanese people, for Japanese people. A consequence of this process is that it necessarily contains Japanese culture. I've said this so many times, yet you still don't get it.
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>>133401781
Target audience is Japanese. I don't know why would you say it isn't.

Because the setting is western-like?
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Well I'll be cautiously optimistic, but I fully expect them to fuck it up.
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>>133401736
>i need to watch my 720p shovelware shit in the highest quality possible
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>>133401727
>countless fantasy series that don't have moeshit
I fucking knew you weren't from /a/.

And I'd love you to name a single fantasy series you think doesn't have any Japanese culture in it, so I can laugh at you.
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>>133401762
>>133401769
Space Dandy and Big O were actually made and partly funded by Americans specifically for American channels. Nad Space Dandy came out English dubbed first.
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>>133401813
>Space Dandy and Big O were actually made and partly funded by Americans specifically for American channels
Source or GTFO.
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>>133401036
>So the tone and direction of all anime is influenced by race?
Yes, that's exactly right since it was made in Japan and all. Different cultures/countries have different ways of thinking. Thus, they will create things differently from other cultures/countries. Nice try skipping quality by the way as this also can't be easily reproduced by other cultures/countries (or at least, Japan's quality can't). You think America can animate the same way as Japan? America has no idea how Japan animates anything and vice versa; I don't see how they (either Japan or America) could replicate each other's motion picture without first asking for directions. And this difference (i.e. lack of knowledge about the process of animation) is what you will see when you're watching the show (unless you're a casual in which case it'll all look the same to you).

"It doesn't look Japanese; it doesn't feel Japanese" - these aren't just words; there are reasons why one would say such things and the reasons are because the quality, tone, direction, animation etc are not what you're used to seeing compared to when you watch a motion picture that was actually produced in Japan. It stands to reason, then, that anime is a form of animation distinct from ALL (yes, all) other types of animation or else it would not have its own term associated with it. Just because something can be imitated does not mean it can stand up to the original and if you're not a total casual, you'll notice the difference.
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>>133401662
I doubt he even knows anything about semantic change or anything like that. He probably thinks words can only be defined by set "authorities" and that makes his argument stronger. All of that despite the fact that he is wrong about the meaning in the first place.
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>>133401813
>specifically for American channels
And yet it was made in Japan, by Japanese people, and was simultaneously dubbed by Japanese seiyuu and then aired on Japanese channels days after the American broadcast.
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>>133401820
He's right about Space Dandy at least. Partially funded by Toonami.
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>>133401813
Source on Big O

The space dandy thing you're spouting is bullshit
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Alright this thread is terrible.

--SURVEY TIME--

WHAT ANIME / SERIES WOULD YOU POUR 5 BILLION BIG ONES INTO?

The rest of hajime no ippo with movie quality animation
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>>133401788
>It has to be made by Japanese people, for Japanese people.
a condition you just made up to move goal posts
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>>133401813
Space Dandy only came out first in the US because of timeslots though, right?
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They're going to make an anime to surpass EVA.
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>>133401797
What's the worst that could happen? An insignificant addition to the amount of garbage that rolls through every season? If it doesn't work and Netflix backs out, the amount of money they'd lose would be like a sneeze to them in terms of inconvenience.
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>>133401795
How about because the creator said it himself. And made the movie specifically because of how well it took to the west.
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>>133401843
A good berserk anime in the form of a bunch of 40 minute OVAs
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>>133401844
>just made up
I've been repeating it for a long time now, since my earliest posts in this thread. And I'm not alone either. Are you just arguing in circles now? Cause you have no counter to this?

I actually wanted to get into a real meaty discussion of anime conventions to show you how stupid and ignorant we are, but you can't even get past the fucking definition so we're still mulling around at the foothills of this particular mountain.
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>>133401839
>He's right about Space Dandy at least. Partially funded by Toonami.

Being funded by a western company doesn't remove the fact that the show's target audience is still Japanese.
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>>133401843
Vagabond, I'd love to see the shitposting when the farming arc airs.
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>>133401820
Big O was a flop in Japan, but in the US it was a huge hit, so Toonami leaned on the anime companies and gave them a boatload of cash to make season 2.
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>>133401769
>>133401762
The guy you're responding to is an idiot, but I understand his point and have to mention IGPX since we're on about this. Payed for by Cartoon network in full, and Animated completely by sunrise. It does have a japanese cast, but I would never be willing to say it's target audience was japanese.
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>>133401788
Since when did it have to be made for Jpanese people? Literally when? Oh yeah, when Western shit actually started having anime and you just couldn't stand it so you changed the definition.
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>>133401875
because youre using some head canon definition
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>>133401892
> It does have a japanese cast, but I would never be willing to say it's target audience was japanese.
Yeah they just shelled out money for Japanese voice actors for fun, not because they didn't make it for Japanese audiences.
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>>133396537
Seriously, that's just licencing for shitloads of series. 5 billion on one series? Yeah right. They don't even spend that on mega blockbusters
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>>133401555
I don't understand. If you just want to watch one scene I could get streaming, but you could have had the first episode downloaded before you even got a reply.
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>>133401883
>doesn't remove the fact that the show's target audience is still Japanese
Anon, I agree with this. Dude was just asking for a source, so I backed up part of the claim. I still say the intended audience is Japanese.
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>>133401843
Redline, the four-cour TV experience.
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>>133401846
And money, yes.
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>>133401913
Because if they're making a fucking anime, why not spend a little extra to have it air in Japan too? You're fucking retarded.
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>>133401940
Did it even do well in the west?

S2 when?
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>>133401908
You mean the common sense one literally everyone uses? I don't know how you can think anime isn't Japanese when literally all definitions of it say it's Japanese. Hell, it used to be called JAPANIMATION. Yet you refuse to admit the Japanese aspect is crucial.

I can only guess at the reason. Generally there are three big ones, but I want to see if I'm right. So tell me: why do you resist the common sense definition? Why is it so important to you that anime NOT be Japanese?
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>>133401940
for what purpose
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>>133401843
Biscuit Hammer
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>>133401695

Let me guess.
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>>133401840
Space Dandy did come out in America first.
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>>133396782
Are you retarded? Are all of you guys retards? First time in a/ and you guys are saying shit like this and 5bil on one anime? You guys are really really really really really out of touch on how much things cost in the real world
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>>133401956
>when literally all definitions of it say it's Japanese.
already proven false
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>>133401955
I'm assuming it did alright since it brought in loads of viewers. And good news anon It aired ages ago. Unless you consider that just the second cour.
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>>133401767
The caveman painting comparison is irrelevant because that's a completely different medium altogether, come on.

Live action film doesn't seem to have this regional hangup anime fans seem to have regarding where it's produced. Would you say Hitchcock didn't make Expressionist films? Millions of film enthusiasts would disagree with you. It's a style that originated in Germany, yes, but because Hitchcock is British his films don't have Expressionist set design, lighting, staging etc.? Utter bullshit, so why would an animated film or series with all the visual stylings of anime not be considered anime?
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>>133402018
Nah I mean proper season two. Don't know why the second cour was called S2.

It was a good anime, had its ups and downs but overall it made me want more.
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>>133401843
A Nausicaa adaptation that tells the full story of the manga
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>>133402053
Holy fuck, I wouldn't even care that Netflix was involved as long as this became a thing.
I'd even stream it if I had to.
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>>133401907
Because it's made by Japanese people, for other Japanese people. That's why it's dubbed in Japanese. Not all anime is aimed exclusively at the Japanese audience, but the Japanese audience is ALWAYS included in the production's considerations. Always.

And once again you do your PoMo thing where you try to distort the order of causality. Where you say things get culture based on who is watching it, rather than who is making it.
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>>133401914
Read the OPs post more carefully.
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>>133397884
Most netflix original series (and even that movie) are based on an earlier work, I doubt they're going to change that. Maybe make an anime out of actual literature?
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>>133401956
Except all definitions AREN'T Japanese. Personally, I don't want to change the definition individual sites use. That's up to them. But my problem is the typical weaboo plugging their ears and saying "NO NO YOU'RE WRONG ANIME ISN'T A STYLE". You say someone is definitely wrong when they use an actual valid definition posted right there in the dictionary.
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>>133402053
I've always wanted something like this except with the Akira manga. I don't care if Otomo likes the movie ending better, I'm just curious to see how it would be done.
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>>133401999
>both of them specifically mention Japan and no other culture
So tell me again about how anime isn't Japanese? You didn't answer my question: why is it so important that anime not be Japanese to you?
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>>133401843
Baka Test or Hayate.
I'd say Spice and Wolf or Ubel Blatt but someone might kill me.
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>>133402037
>Utter bullshit, so why would an animated film or series with all the visual stylings of anime not be considered anime?
Because the definition of the word is about the origins. Anime is Japanese cartoons. If you come up with a word for a specific style of art used in anime, then you can use that for non-Japanese stuff done in that style, but you wouldn't say Hitchcock made German films.
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>>133402112
>Except all definitions AREN'T Japanese
Find me one that doesn't mention Japan or it being Japanese. I'll wait.
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>>133402096
>Where you say things get culture based on who is watching it
you mean like you?
>for other Japanese people.
>the Japanese audience is ALWAYS included in the production's considerations.

so you want your cake and to be able to eat it also?
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>>133395723
if they wanted to make it back they'd have to make a Yatsub& anime
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>>133402117
a style originally developed in japan =/= a style that is only japanese

why is it so important that anime be Japanese to you?
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>>133402096
>Where you say things get culture based on who is watching it, rather than who is making it.
But that is how it is. The Japanese make no different words for what they watch from America and what they watch in glorious Nippon, you do. You're making this distinction, not them. They have no problem with calling cartoons anime.
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>>133401840
He's in a weird space saying that
Dandy I don't know enough about to answer for you, but Big O I do including a source.
First season of Big O was 100% Japanese.
Second season of Big O was commissioned by cartoon network, because big O was a major hit for the Network in the United States. Here's a source strait from the directors mouth for you.
https://youtu.be/51efiPMmg5Q?t=6m59s
Right at 7 minutes if the link doesn't work properly. This is also why Season 2 (2003) was 4 years after season 1 (1999). Supposedly, Cartoon network had an opt in for a season 3 they didn't take. I don't have a source on that though.
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>>133402117
Why the fuck do you care if anime has to be Japanese to be anime?
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Netflix will save anime
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>>133402208
Interesting stuff anon

Thanks for clarifying
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>>133402201
Anon, anime in Japanese and anime in English are different words. They'll call fucking Beauty and the Beast anime. Do you want us to discuss that here?
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They're pretty good at picking subs over dubs so I have a minimal amount of hope that something decent could come about.
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>>133401843
Otoyomegatari adaptation if the budget is basically a blank check. And a TWEWY ova just for curiosity.
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>>133402139
Find me one definition of spaghetti that doesn't mention Italy. I'll wait. I already showed you that it's defined as a style originating in Japan.
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