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Evangelion would have been better if Rei was the MC

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Discuss.
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>>133139587
She was a main character you mong.
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Evangelion would have been better if it never existed
FTFY
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>>133139587
>if Rei was the MC
>if
wat
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>>133139657
Hideaki Anno would have been better if he never existed
FTFY
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REI! REI! REI!
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>>133139777
Za beasto.
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Well it's hard to say if it'd be "better" since it all depends on execution.

But I do believe it'd be a bigger hit with crowds that don't like Evangelion since Rei can more easily be portrayed as a heroine if we follow the originals characterization.

Rei isn't a "pussy" like Shinji is, so normies won't complain about the "hero" who doesn't put his life at stake without question.

Of course you'd need to have Misato or Shinji as the 2nd most focused on, and that means giving them generous amounts of screentime, just like NGE did with it's characters. Gendo would need a tad more screentime too.

You could have a good EVA series on par with the existing one if this was how it was done.
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>>133139587
But Rei is a shit character.

Asuka is better.
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>>133139587
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>>133139865
>since Rei can more easily be portrayed as a heroine
She isn't one, though.
There literally isn't a single heroic character in Evangelion.
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>not using bd screenshot

Here, OP, you faggot, fixed for you.
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>>133139982
Kaji.
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>tfw you won't 'accidentally' fall on Rei and touch her boob.
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>>133140057
Way to shrewd to be heroic.

Although some minor character were alright.
Then again we don't know much about them.
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>>133139982
Rei is definitely a heroine who does heroic things in NGE.

Self-sacrifice and fighting for someone elses sake is very much considered heroism.
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>>133139587
OP is a faggot.

Discuss.
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>>133139587
No
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>>133139587
She is the mc
And also rei is love
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>>133139886
>>133139902
>>133140185
>>133140193
>no new IP
who triggered the Asukafag?
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>>133140159
But she does it out of apathy.
Her agenda is not really heroic.
>wan die
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>>133139657
>>133139711
Well memed
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>>133140224
There's a lot of apathy in Rei but her stated reason for piloting is inherently tied to saving and helping everyone.

Rei might have a deathwish, but that doesn't absolve one from doing heroic deeds.

Also precisely because Rei has a deathwish, but doesn't kill herself pointlessly but only when it's the last way out, it shows that she puts her own desire for death away for others.
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>>133140314
Technically she only does what she's ordered to by Gendo or what she was created for.
With a side-dish of wanting to die.
She has very little sense of self, which certainly is a heroic characteristic in some sense, but she doesn't really have a choice in the matter.
A robot doesn't become heroic due to being selfless either.
It's down to her in part not even being human, so she defies human standards on multiple levels.
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>>133140314
>but her stated reason for piloting is inherently tied to saving and helping everyone
Actually no, Rei tells Shinji before the Ramiel fight she does it so she can be bonded to people.
With a reason to live and exist, she feels connected to others rather than to be completely isolated if she did not pilot.
It's mainly for herself, not other people.
That isn't selflessness, which is the main trait a conventional hero would have.
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>>133140406
Now I notice some striking similarities to Kaworu I wasn't aware of previously.
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>>133140141
You too, faggot.
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>>133139587
No.
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>>133140488
Interesting point.
>>133140488
In some way Rei is similar but also opposite to Kaworu.
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>>133140630
Wait what.
Meant to quote
>>133140457
the first time.
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>>133140224
You aren't a hero because of your agenda.
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>>133140730
T-thanks.
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>>133140488
The show makes it pretty evident we're supposed to pick up on the similarities between Rei and Kaworu, but then again they also differ enough to be quite different based on their different experiences.
I wish they had more scenes and screentime together, I think they could have become ayy lmao friends.
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>>133140782
I'd have liked an Omake of Rei and Kaworu becoming BFF.
Maybe I realized their relation before and my memory is just rusty.
Dunno lol.
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>>133140847
OVA of cute ayy lmaos doing cute ayy lmao things fucking when, Anno.
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>>133140847
I just want to see them having tea parties in space god heaven and making fun of the lilin doing stupid shit.
They could also play soccer with Gendo and Keel's decapitated heads.
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>>133139657
Nice meme!
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Posting best Rei
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>>133143220
>only one nipple
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>>133140406
>Technically she only does what she's ordered to by Gendo or what she was created for.

uh, no? Rewatch the series. Rei does what she thinks best even if that goes against Gendo's wishes or what she was created for.

>but she doesn't really have a choice in the matter.
She has a choice, albeit her options are poor.

Rei isn't a robot either.

>>133140457
>Actually no, Rei tells Shinji before the Ramiel fight she does it so she can be bonded to people.
Not that she may become bonded, but because of the bonds she has with everyone. In essence, her motivations do involve everyone else.

I'm not proposing she is 100% selfless, that much is a strawman, but that Rei considers others and is willing to show selflessness. In relating to the previous post, Rei is a genuine heroine and can in an eventual story feature prominently as a heroine.
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>>133140847
>>133140871
>>133140921
>>133140782
Kaworu is trash, Rei is not.
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>>133145377
You misunderstand.
Rei is not gonna ride a robot for the lulz.
She rides it because Gendo tells her to and because she feels it's her purpose.
>to fight angels and hopefully die
What exctly would she do without being told what to do?
Probably nothing, and neither could she do much most of the time.
This is also what I am referring to with her choices.
They are restricted by both circumstance and by her own nature.

She's treated like a tool and so she's forced tomact like one.

And I'm not implying she's a robot, I'm merely establishing that as a parallel.

Does she have a choice to not ride the robot when Gendo tells her to?
Not really. Especially since someone else will do it, maybe another Rei, Dummies, another pilot, whatever.
Her choices are restricted to specific acts and Instrumentality.
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>>133145605
Why so angry, anon-kun?
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>>133145377
>Rei does what she thinks best
So when Rei decided to chill in the basement with Gendo as millions of people upstairs were getting burned alive by flamethrowers in EoE was what she thought was best?
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>>133145857
Pretty much. It turned out to be the smart choice.
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>>133145897
Even though she could have saved those people with her powers, she decided to let them burn and suffer and be tortured through slow deaths before initiating instrumentality.
That doesn't sound like a smart choice.
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>>133145766
>You misunderstand.
>Rei is not gonna ride a robot for the lulz.
No you misunderstand. Heroes or heroines don't ride robots "for the lulz".

Rei doesn't ride the robot because Gendo tells her to, but because she feels it's right and it's the only and best thing she can contribute with. Remember in the series, how Rei will choose to pilot the EVA even if told otherwise, using her own judgement over theirs?

Rei plays with the cards she's dealt.

>They are restricted by both circumstance and by her own nature.
This is true for all people, but Rei in her choices chose the best. She could have run away or taken easier options out, or obeyed an order to retreat and save herself for a little while.

>Does she have a choice to not ride the robot when Gendo tells her to?
Yes, and she's exercised that choice well in the series, making what seems to be the right choice that saves or tries to everyone.

Rei is treated like a tool, neglected and never appreciated for how much suffering she gets through, and therein lies the heroism of endurance and resilience.

There really is no debating that Rei has all the traits of a downtrodden heroine.

>>133145857
That answers itself doesn't it? She did do just that, and it was the best too.
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>>133146052
>making what seems to be the right choice that saves or tries to everyone
If that's the case, then she wouldn't have done this: >>133145857
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>>133146033
Whether or not Rei could have saved anyone with her powers or not is not answerable. What powers Rei has at that point is not established save manifesting an AT-field.

So your argument doesn't work, there's nothing in the series that supports the idea that she'd be able to do anything proper.

Moreover, Rei went down there beforehand, not knowing of any attack. She's down there alone, probably pondering what to do next. She is probably informed of any assault, if at all when Gendo meets her.
At this point, not even Gendo knew where Rei had gone off to, and he had to search for her. We never get to know if he tells Rei that they're under attack.

Assuming he did, then following him who has Adam is again the best choice.
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>>133146124
She definitely would. I don't think Rei has any powers at that stage that could have helped anyone like you suggest, and what's more Rei goes down into the basement at a time where there is no attack ongoing.

Take the character at that point into consideration, she's been resurrected and is at the moment experiencing yet-another-existential-crisis, the path ahead isn't clear for Rei. In episode 25, which ties into EoE, this is the moment where Rei is having her little self-confrontation, which for Rei happens outside instrumentality.

In EoE as in NGE25, this is interrupted by Gendo coming to pick her up.

>>133145769
Because Kaworu is bad in every way.
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>>133146155
She was down there with Gendo and already had made the decision to enter Lilith. She was aware of her true nature and new what she was capable.
Yet she waited until the very last second, where millions had already died, and only used the image of a loved one to bring others into instrumentality for a very, very select few.
And even within that, she made Aoba and Shinji scream the shit out of their pants even though she didn't have to.
All she did was smile as they screamed at her form. That sounds pretty sadistic, not very nice.
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>>133139587
It would be very different. Putting Rei in Shinji's role(which I understand as a variation on the theme of a messiah figure)creates a whole new set of implications for the story's core themes. At the same time, everything would remain about the same in regards to the content, because at the end of the day, both Shinji and Rei are quite similar - extremely isolated but well-intentioned individuals crippled by their own self-awareness.

What would change would be how particular motifs are stressed. I think the main difference between Rei and Shinji is their reactions to adverse situations - Shinji runs away to shield himself, Rei goes in even at the price of self-denial. So that'd be a major difference, if EVA with Rei as main character retained its focus on psychology it would be obviously centered on an elaboration of that. I guess identity would become a major theme.

And since Rei would make for a more straightforward Christ-figure(in the sense of suffering for the sake of mankind)than Shinji, I guess that version would have a more upbeat sort of tone. I picture a retelling of the Gospel with a cute autistic little girl instead of Jesus. Sort of want.

Oh, and if the Rei clones happened like in the original, it'd get pretty crazy. I see a lot of potential in that being brought to the spotlight. Could sort of make up for what I think would be a loss in depth that comes from removing Shinji's issues from the spotlight(it's not that Rei's are worse in terms of potential, they just don't play with the story in such an interesting way).
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>>133146272
>and only used the image of a loved one to bring others into instrumentality for a very, very select few.
Everyone who had died recently went to instrumentality too. You see their broken bodies as tang during the Komm Susser Tod scene.
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>>133146272
>She was down there with Gendo and already had made the decision to enter Lilith. She was aware of her true nature and new what she was capable.
Source, citation? There's certainly nothing of it in EoE.

In episode 25 there's a moment where Rei analyzes her situation, and the only thing that's clear that comes forth is that Rei is afraid of rejoining with Lilith for very understandable and human reasons, fear of true death.

Also, I don't know what you're talking about. Millions died? What Evangelion did you watch?
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>>133146272
Son, I think you're just an uppity troll because none of that has place in NGE. Why don't you head over to /cm/ and plot how you're going to campaign against Rei next?

This one isn't working desu senpai.
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>>133146374
>/cm/
You mean /c/, right?
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>>133146285
There's definitely a lot of potential here, not to mention room for backstory revelations.
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>>133146374
>/cm/
Fuck off with this shitty tranny meme, Reifags.
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>>133146408
Only you'd know, I just say /cm/ because that's the biggest and easiest nail to hit.
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>>133140488
He said they were alike, didn't he?
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>>133146052
>She could have run away or taken easier options out, or obeyed an order to retreat and save herself for a little while.
Not really true.
They could have made another Rei.
Exactly why she's not bothered about saving herself.
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>>133146474
Carpenters aren't allowed on /A/
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>>133146285
That's a good point, I don't really understand why people are so obsessed with comparing Kaworu with Jesus when it's quite literally Rei's corpse there crucified in terminal dogma, and that she sacrifices herself for humanity and reseurrects as the third and so on.

Might as well be a good thing since jesus-comparisons are lame as hell.
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>>133146538
No, Shinji was the one who said they were alike, if I recall.
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>>133146564
Multiple characters in the show can be attributed to Jesus
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>>133146540
They can't just make another Rei in NGE. The clones are spare parts for Rei Ayanami. Not actual replacements in themselves.
It's explained in ep23.

If Rei e.g obeyed the order to retreat in that episode against Armisael, then she'd save her own skin and follow orders as a good soldier for a little bit more, but in the end they'd all die because of it. So Rei choses to not obey and by not obeying, save everyone and eventually, herself as well.

A sacrifice.
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>>133146639
Not just in Evangelion, but virtually any show, the criteria are so loose and most of the time it's only done for purposes of glorification.
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>>133146700
In Evangelion characters are directly linked to Jesus/God, though.
Rei through the examples mentioned earlier
Kaworu for pic related and his voice showing up when the camera pans on Misato's cross in EoE
Yui and Gendo (playing a false god) have some tidbits too here and there
I'm sure I'm missing some others, I think even Misato's father got one somewhere
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>>133146665
Then where did they get all those Reis from?
I'm not sure I understand your angle on this.
Pretty sure there is no soul transfer shenanigans.
If a Rei dies it is dead.
They need a new one.
And I'm pretty sure she's perfectly happy with not saving herself.
At least superficially.
If she wasn't such a damaged person she'd probably prefer to live - and she's probably aware of that on some level.
But she's also aware her purpose isn't to be schoolgirl Rei.
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>>133146796
Why are you samefagging?
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>>133146639
Sure, but I think Rei is the closest.
>born by unnatural means
>not entirely human
>acts for the sake of all humanity
>commits self-sacrifice
>resurrects

>>133146700
In Evangelion's case it's quite justified.
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>>133146866
Oh, I forgot one
>is the main acting force in doomsday
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>>133146866
I wouldn't say Rei is the closest because the Lilith traits are too overpowering. Lilith was not necessarily a comforting figure like jesus, but more of an eerie devilish presence who resisted the power of her superior (Adam).
Maybe instead of Jesus, she is more to the likeness of God; who is known for being more ruthless and seperate from man.
I still think agree with the majority of the fanbase's opinion that Kaworu is the closest to Jesus in parallels.

But I guess it doesn't really matter in the end.
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>>133146796
>Then where did they get all those Reis from?
>If a Rei dies it is dead.
>They need a new one.

There is over the course of the series, only one Rei Ayanami. Ritsuko points this out in ep 23 as mentioned earlier.
This is because the "Rei's" you see in the tank, are not Rei Ayanami. They're spare parts.
There is indeed soul transfer or consciousness transfer in play here.

Roughly, it flowslike this:

Lilith -> Rei I -> Rei II -> Rei III ->Lilith

The circle completes itself by the end. We begin in the middle with Rei II.

>If she wasn't such a damaged person she'd probably prefer to live - and she's probably aware of that on some level.
If watching it didn't tip you off, then I'll put it clearly: There is a dilemma for Rei, to live or to die. Rei feels that she wants to die because she is not happy with her life and she knows she doesn't belong, being artificially made.
However, she wants to live because she has become invested in other people, and they have become invested in her. She doesn't want to lose them or to be forgotten by them.
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Is Eva similar to Devilman?
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>>133146829
What.

>>133147008
Sounds like headcanon to me.
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>>133146981
Not him but I think your Lilith-interpretation doesn't work since after all, there is no Lilith in the Bible.

Then again there are numerous interpretations of Jesus, as he is the son in the trinity, the father, son and the holy ghost.
Being "one" with that trinity, he is also god yet not god, and god is ruthless and very comforting at times.

What about Rei's trinity, her appearing as perhaps not the father, but at least the mother, the daughter and as well as the holy ghost by the end?

>I still think agree with the majority of the fanbase's opinion that Kaworu is the closest to Jesus in parallels.
That he's like Jesus is an entirely superficial manner that's more of a meme than an interpretation. He's also male, that helps.
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What does the lemon symbolize?
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>>133147097
Yes. Very much so.
>…I will note, though, that there is a precedent for ‘sequel theory’ that might have influenced Anno. Go Nagai’s Violence Jack was revealed in its final chapters to have been a sequel to Devilman. In Violence Jack, it turns out that, after its destruction, the world was recreated by the fallen angel Ryo Asuka for the sake of trying to resurrect Akira Fudo, whom he had fallen in love with. However, the recreation was not entirely successful.
Without question, Anno is familiar with Violence Jack (according to the Japanese wikipedia, in Schizo, Anno mentions the Slum King as one source of inspiration for the design of the Evangelions). In addition, some Eva fans have noted parallels between Ryo Asuka and Kaworu Nagisa (including Halicat and Synapsid on EGF). Kaworu’s appearances in NME especially seem reminiscent of both Ryo Asuka and the storyline of Violence Jack.
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>>133147113
>Sounds like headcanon to me.
Not really headcanon when it's explained to you in the anime. Ritsuko goes ahead and says that the Rei clones are NOT Rei Ayanami, they are spare parts. She goes on to say that the only one with a soul is Rei Ayanami.

There's a mystery and a solution here you've clearly missed. Take what we know:

Rei Ayanami dies in ep23, crying. Now it stands to reason, that because there would be no opportunity for her to take a backup of her memories or anything like that, because she dies in the EVA shortly after, she would not be able to remember crying or know that she has.

Precisely this happens in ep23, when Rei comments that this is the first time she's cried (she cried earlier in the episode, but she has no memories!), but yet she claims that it's not the first time. That is the soul memory she has.
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>>133139587
That's a questionable statement.

One thing I'm sure of, however, is that Evangelion would be improved by replacing Shinji with Eddie Murphy and replacing the Evas with fat suits. Imagine how wacky that'd be. Pure comedy gold here.
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>>133139587
Eva would be far better if Obari and Nakazawa joined the project.
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>>133147113
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>>133147127
>there is no Lilith in the Bible
Eva takes from Kabbath mostly. So yes, Lilith does mean the Lilith as we know her in every single media she has ever appeared in: Adam's first wife who betrayed him and was sent to hell. If not that, then what would be the reasoning for them to call Rei Lilith?
That's why the Evas are called Eva, instead of Eve; which is the correct spelling of Eve's name.

>and god is ruthless and very comforting at times
Isn't the God from the old testament known for being extremely ruthless? Like in the book of Job?

> a meme than an interpretation
Uh, how so?
They call him the beginning and the end in the very first title card and make him Adam. And as I pointed out before, in two scenes in EoE he shows up and we can hear his voice right as the screen pans on Misato's cross. It's definitely there and intentional.
see >>133146771
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>>133139804
AU Rei is superior Rei
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>>133147496
>not loli Rei
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>>133147433
>Eva takes from Kabbath mostly. So yes
The Jesus-figure in question is not from any Kabbath or Kabbalah, so no.

Moreover, you have no citation for that. There is no scripture Evangelion is based on in particular, and if you have a source to prove otherwise, do provide it.

>Lilith does mean the Lilith as we know her in every single media she has ever appeared in:
Lilith has been presented in a myriad of ways, so no. Evangelion is also one of those.

>If not that, then what would be the reasoning for them to call Rei Lilith?
Simply because the humans are the Lilim, and they are Lilith's spawn.

The connotations between the two are drastically different.

>Uh, how so?
Because it's a meme not an interpretation proper. It's a "omg kaowru died 4 ur sins" kind of deal, it's not serious, and any serious attempt can be shut down fairly easily. Then again they all can.

None of that has anything on being literally crucified, or literally resurrected in human form, much less a genuine sacrifice.

I'm the guy that earlier claimed the Jesus-comparisons are lame, and in your case it's lame because of how wildly and loosely the interpretation is based, mixing from various sources that none add up to each other. By the same reasoning Lilith is a "counter"- that Adam is Kaworu is also a counter as evidently, Jesus is not Adam in any version of the story.
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>>133147567
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>>133147433
Not him, but god is the FAR, not the angels, nor the Seeds of Lives (Lillith and Adam). There is only a single citation of truly GOD in the entire series (which refer to the FAR), during episode 23.

>>these are empty vessels. Nothing but spare parts,
spare Reis'. Mankind found a God and man, in his folly, tried
to make the God his toy. For that arrogance mankind was
punished. That happened 15 years ago. And the God that man
found was lost. But man continues to attempt resurrect the God. And
from that God, Adam, man attempted to make a man who was like
a God himself. And that was Eva.
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>>133147721
>Jesus is not Adam in any version of the story.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1327.cfm

>Revelation 1:14
>The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire

Also you haven't responded to this yet: >>133146771

I don't see how it can be a meme when there's direct evidence and even the same name usage here. If it's not intentional (which I'm certain it must be) then it's got to be a hell of a coincidence.

Also in Rebuild Kaworu resurrects on Tabtha base; which is the same name for where Jesus resurrected.
>Real-life Tabgha (from Heptapagon, "seven springs") is a valley near the Sea of Galilee in northern Israel. (Tabgha Base is the seventh branch of Nerv.) It is considered to be where Jesus Christ reassembled the disciples, and where Peter was reinstated after denying Jesus three times.[2] The miracle of multiplication performed by Jesus Christ in the New Testament, whereby he fed 5000 people with five loaves of bread and two fish, occurred here according to some traditions.[3]

And as I say before, he isn't the sole character to get these connections. Rei does to and even Yui and Gendo do (see pic related), as I also mentioned earlier. But the connections are without a doubt there for Kaworu, no matter if the extent may be less or more than for other characters (which I am of the opinion it isn't).

>Lilith has been presented in a myriad of ways, so no
How so? I'm only familiar with one interpretation.

>There is no scripture Evangelion is based on in particular
Not in particular, but there is a lot of Kabbath and Gnostic symbolism; even straight from the opening there's the tree of life.
A lot of it seems to be the old testament and Gnostic. I hardly see any new Christianity in Eva.
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>>133148207
>(which refer to the FAR)
No, that refers to Adam. When they found him during Second Impact.

Therefore, that confirms even more that Kaworu is a god/jesus figure.
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are the rebuild movies worth watching? I finished EoE a few days ago
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>>133148248
Actually Gendo is Muhammad.
>has old wife
>she dies
>marries loli
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>>133148354
Watch for yourself and make your own opinion.
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>>133148354
Only if you're bored and want to stay bored.
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>>133148248
>Jesus is not Adam in any version of the story.
The statement stands, as that is not a version of the story.

Kaworu does not have eyes of fire either.

>I don't see how it can be a meme when there's direct evidence
There is no direct evidence. You are fanwanking and making connections where there are none, for the same reason you can pick out several characters to be "jesus". You have no version of the story you stick to. You have no solid jesus figure or interpretation.

For what it's worth, the angelic names and motifs were according to Evangelion staff chosen because it sounded mysterious. They would just as easily choose something else according to Tsurumaki.

If it's there for everyone, then the connections aren't worth making. It's too generic, and indeed, the byproduct of chance.

>How so? I'm only familiar with one interpretation.
You're familiar with at least two, Evangelion and a wikipedia article.

>Not in particular, but there is a lot of Kabbath and Gnostic symbolism; even straight from the opening there's the tree of life.
Get one thing straight:

A symbol is not symbolism in itself. There are religious symbols ranging from crosses to pictures copied from religious picturebooks, but these do not constitute symbolism in the way you imply.

>A lot of it seems to be the old testament and Gnostic. I hardly see any new Christianity in Eva.
So the crosses (crux, christ) or the allegation you've made that every character is Christ (AKA Jesus), isn't anything?

Take a protip: it's all hogwash and was quite literally strung together randomly. I know that sounds disappointing but it's the truth.
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>>133148354
It's shit. Not worth watching.
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So you want a silent protagonist
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>>133148354
I watched them last week.
First one is first 6 episodes in HD with some slight differences.
Second is fucking awesome.
Third... just watch.
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>>133148498
>as that is not a version of the story
What? The link I just showed you shows he is in all versions.
>Kaworu does not have eyes of fire either.
Do you have autism? If fire is to be perceived as reddish, than Kaworu's red eyes match the statement. The hair comment also confirms.

>the angelic names and motifs were according to Evangelion staff chosen because it sounded mysterious
The angelic names come from the text itself: they are actual angels. And when you look at their descriptions in the Eva version and these versions you can see some similarities from some. They didn't choose them without thinking.

However, there is one angel name that does not show up in any bible or holy text whatsoever. Do you know what it is? Tabris.

As for the rest of your post, I just don't deem it worthy enough of a response.
I've given you evidence, and shown you that these parallels are considered and discussed all over the internet, and yet you handwave them away without a second thought because you are irrational.
You even continue to ignore my post where I linked you the names. They are, word from word exactly the same.
And you ignore my other points as well; skimming over what you cannot answer because it proves me right and you know it.
You're clearly not in the right mindset to have this conversation, as you seem more intent on resorting to adhoms or some other bullshit rather than actually reading my posts.
I post citations and evidence, you respond with nothing but diversion.

Not sure what you're problem is, I try to engage in a conversation with you but you just try to carry on your bullshit.
Not sure who taught you your conversation skills, but they clearly aren't going to get you any friends anytime soon.
Goodbye.
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>>133148207
> that confirms even more that Kaworu is a god/jesus figure.
Kaworufag, please.

>No, that refers to Adam.
Read properly, here a better script, from the platinum DVDs:

>"Man found God and in their joy,\Ntried to make Him theirs."
>"That's why there was divine retribution."
>"That was fifteen years ago."

Ok, so at this point, we may assume "god" is refering to Adam, and the retribution was the Second impact. but the following lines, it becomes confusing to assume "GOD" is refering to Adam because there seems to be two entities:

>"The God they found had also\Ndisappeared by then."
Again, we are are still assuming they are talking about ADAM.

>"But then, they tried to resurrect\NGod on their own."
Then We would think she would be talking about the "Eva".
And then BANG, it doesn't make sense:
>"The result was Adam."

So wait, we found "GOD", trying to "make it ours" (resurrect, control?), but as we failed we were punished and what we got instead was ADAM, not an Eva?

So they "found something" prior to Adam.

This is a confusing line but CRUCIAL TO UNDERSTANDING WHAT GOD ACTUALLY IS IN THE EVA WORLD.
Let's keep up with the lines:

>"And imitating God, they created\Npeople from Adam."
>"The result was the Evas."
And then finally we get the description of cloning Adam and getting a Eva, but that is later AFTER LOSING GOD.

So, what actually the humanity found 15 years ago, was the meaning of the FAR, their truly God. And thus to ressurect the far, one should merge the seed of life with the seed of knowledge using the Lance of Longinus. THIS IS WHY THEY INSERTED THE LANCE OF LONGINUSS INSIDE ADAM! To try and do the same thing we saw during the third impact with Unit 01!

During the EoE, Unit 01 merged with a human (seed of knowledge) and a seed of life (s2 engine), is actually the Sephirotic system, or GOD, THE FAR itself. Fuyutsuki explicited said during the Third Impact that The Tree of life is God itself.

S
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>>133148868
Dude, the lilin never found the FAR because they were long dead.
Furthermore, the FAR weren't created until the videogame. They never existed or were even thought of in the series.

>THIS IS WHY THEY INSERTED THE LANCE OF LONGINUSS INSIDE ADAM!
No the lance was already inside Adam, it had speared him during first impact to seal him.
The classified information goes against everything you're trying to fanwank.
The FAR are long gone.

Also, it's a shame but I've gotta go now so I can't continue this conversation. You'd probably be more open to communicating than the autistic Reifag though.
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>Rei died three times
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>>133148866
>What? The link I just showed you shows he is in all versions.
No, it really doesn't. Read it. It's not even the answer to the question, there is no singular vesrion of "Jesus" you can throw comparisons with.
There is only the memetic online interpretations you have to show to. Which is a mixture of everything, including post-EVA interpretations.

Anon, you don't have anything at all.

>but red eyes
Rei has red eyes as well. See how this does not work at all? Stop reaching.

>The angelic names come from the text itself: they are actual angels.
>They didn't choose them without thinking.
The staff themselves more or less confirm there's no correlation. Many of these Angels have angel names that only fit half-way, some not at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Read up on that. The gist of it is that you want to be right and therfore ignore all opposing evidence but accept working evidence.

>I've given you evidence, and shown you that these parallels
All of the evidence has been dismissed and the parallels proven to not be parallels but generic statements lifted from numerous other interpreations, none of which match the source or any one version.

Also don't give me that nonsense, the only one unfit for conversation here is you, since you're unwilling to accept the basic truth that your interpretation is so loose it has no value.

You've already admitted that you can jesus-ify most characters despite their enormous differences. At that point you are just being a prick spouting nonsense.
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>>133149020
It really infuriates me how unintelligent you Kaworu fans are. It's like you stopped aging mentally at age 14.
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>>133149020
When I said "FAR", I said understand the concept of FAR.

While the concept of FAR was only mentioned on the CI, this doesn't mean it wasn't present in the evangelion proposal back in 1993. There are strong indications of panspermia thoroughout the series.

>No the lance was already inside Adam,
You are partially right in this part, I forgot to mention an important element about the Lance in my explanation of the theory. While is true that the lance was found together with Adam, this is only explained with the CI and the added picture of the ReiTank pre renewal (pic related). However, on the director's cut scene, one of the scientists mention that the Lance of Longinuss is being brought back from the Dead Sea "next week". So one can assume that either the CI is wrong, either the DC is wrong (less likely) or either they REMOVED the lance of longinuss from Adam, it didn't wake up, then send it to the Dead Sea for examinations or whatever reason, (plausible) and then brought it back to south pole after understanding how it works to perform the CONTACT EXPERIMENT with Adam.

Please remind that Adam "wakes up" when they are INSERTING the Lance of Longinuss in it, NOT REMOVING as described on episode 23. So it doesn't wake up when removing it on the first time. Remember whta happens to Lillith on episode 22 when the lance is removed? It partially regenerates, but not completely, nor does it wake up.

And also is important to notice that both in Lillith and Adam, the longinuss was inserted on the separated end. The other extremity, where the solonoid "Joins" is however the one used when entering Units 01 core. This implies that it Has a different effect than when inserted that way. I theorize the "joined" solenoid part of the Lance has the ability to actually merge the two seeds and create the Tree of Life and that is what the Scientists tried to made back in 2000 in antartica. Maya further confirms that on EoE comparing the data from "15 years ago."
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>>133149582
>>133149020
Keep in mind that the FAR as described in NGE2 is not mentioned or made relevant in NGE. The Lance of Longinus was brought in from the Dead Sea, and the retcon-ish and poorly written extra info of NGE2 creates a conflict.

For a realistic take, they made a bunch of shit up and strung it together, but made sure to be as vague as possible because then fans such as yourself can fill in the gaps, therefore eliminating any errors on "their" side - the error or misunderstanding is put on your shoulders.

>Maya further confirms that on EoE comparing the data from "15 years ago."
More likely in reference to the enormous energy-buildup and the manifestation of an AT-field. The data as recorded when an impact spooling up, which is what they recorded in the Antarctic.
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No. What you see is all you need to know. Her arc was well defined, if she was the main character all the things between lines would have to be thoroughly unveiled and that would spoil part of draw of her character.

Moreover all the dynamics and events would be changed so you could see it more from her point of view because she doesn't interact with a good part of the characters and most events don't concern her. The end result would be something that isn't Eva. There is no way to evaluate this scenario realistically. It's okay to appreciate your waifu, but drop that pipe before making stupid suggestions.
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>>133149829
The point is that the "God" refereed in Evangelion and by Ritsuko in episode 23, as well as Fuyutsuki in EoE, is not Kaworu, nor Adam, nor Shinji, nor the Eva, but specifically the Tree of Life, the origin of all life. I like to think that the FAR = Tree of Life, but if you want to completely ignore the FAR, thats fine, the explanation I proposed works the same way.if you consider the concept of FAR canon or not.
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>>133149867
There's a lot of unnecessary noise in your post.

>Asserting that things would have to change if Rei was the main character
Now, isn't that a given? Making Rei the main character is in itself a change. I don't see this a compelling counter-argument.

>because she doesn't interact with a good part of the characters and most events don't concern her.
On the contrary, Rei has interaction with far more major characters than most, even minor. That there's enough interaction is remedied by making the change of having her as the MC to begin with. Characters interact off screen, NGE is not a complete record of the Evangelion timeline. The choice of focus is everything.

I'm not the OP but consider this guy's response: >>133146285

He too asserts it would be different, but this is a given and not taken as a hindrance, and he explores the ways it would differ - which seems to be the point the OP brought forth.
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>>133150084
I don't really disagree. It's however good to keep in mind that what is a "god" to mankind is very relative. There may be multiple gods.
There is no Abrahamic God in Evangelion for instance. You could hardly speculate a behind the scenes one either since an important principle is that God's involvement in mankind's affairs, and omnipresence, something which isn't seen in Evangelion outside maybe Rei, which I would say isn't quite it either.
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>>133149429
>>133147310
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what's the actual meaning of pic related? It's one of the last scenes on EoE.
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>people liking Rei for being robotlike even though it was explicitly stated that such behavior stems from mental problems and in the end she got rid of it

lmao
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>>133150769
That's part of the charm. Rei has this unusual but harmless behavior that makes her unique and different compared to the rest. Everyone can tell it's not a good thing and that she's on her way to improve, and that's what creates the admiration.

Because Rei is little by little learning and shedding her old skin, becoming more beautiful and stronger.

That said, most people attack Rei for being robotlike and wrongfully dismiss her as a puppet.
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>>133140871
>>133140847
>>133140782
10/10
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>>133146866
Of the characters crucified on screen Rei is the most Jesus but she's scary Rapture Jesus, then Yui who dies to architect the world's reform, and Shinji who opens the way for humanity to redeem themselves. Even Misato gets shot in the spot Longinus stuck a brother.
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>>133139587
No fuck off
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>>133146564
>>133146866
>>133147127
Lilith was known as the mother of all demons which get 3deep4u when you realize the human race in Evangelion came from her black moon
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>>133148498
>Kaworu does not have eyes of fire either.
Nigga his eyes are red
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>>133150536
Why was Rei 1 such a little cunt compared to 2 and 3?
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>>133152968
That was her original personality. If she haven't being choked and traumatized by Naoko, she'd have been a manipulative cunt for the rest of her life, likely a neurotic version of Yui.
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>Evangelion would have been better if
Stopped reading there. Are you shit?
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Oh my god why is everyone arguing over the loose religious symbolism. Thing here is both Kaworu and Rei are reborn powerful higher beings which humans have worshiped less than that as gods, but the reason Kaworu is called Jesus is because he died so the humans could live which mimics all that bible jazz and such people have been making the running joke of Faggot Jesus for 20 fucking years. This isn't anything knew and its just a lighthearted joke based on those similarities, but nothing in this series is fact thanks to Anno so there's no proof just hunches

It also doesn't make Rei any less Jesus, but with the whole "Lilith is the mother of all demons" sounds much more badass so I don't see why there's complaints
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>>133153714
is this post for real?
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>>133153746
Why can't you just accept that all the characters have loose metaphors piled on them ending in nothing because the creator didn't tie up the loose strings and after 20 years of this shit inside jokes have been made?
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>>133139587
?
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>>133139587
I don't think it would've been nearly as popular

for good or bad, I think a lot of the appeal of the show is the dysfunctional relationships between Shinji and others, and Rei is so isolated and unable to find someone to connect to that to have something similar to NGE her character would have to change dramatically(at which point we're not really asking 'what if Rei was MC anymore.'

Without those human connections and a central focus on Rei as she is and not as she might be, I feel like we would have have something more like Serial Experiments Evangelion.
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>>133154268
>Rei becomes a godlike figure
>Ends up having conflicting personalities
>Only has a single person she could call a friend
This fits more than it should.
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>You can pinpoint the exact moment every Asukafag's heart broke in half.
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>>133152968
No social filter, she's repeating what she sees and hears with little concept of what might be impolite or infuriating. Like a little kid. 2 turned it into a brutal honesty thing she did a few times out of anger.
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>>133152204
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>>133154542
Wait, red/blue faggotry cares about shinji's involvement? I assumed it was people arguing which girl was 'best' to waifu, not to ship with shinji

though that would explain some of the terrible nonarguments I've seen
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>>133154925
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>>133154974
Nah dude, see everyone already knows Shinji is the ultimate best girl. So what the waifufags try to do is push their waifu as second best girl by getting her with best girl, but they lose everytime because best girl's heart has already been won by best boy.
It's really intense shit.
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>>133154974
>>133154542
Couldn't care less.
I've always tought the concept of "best girl won (the mc)" completely stupid. Is not like Asuka is even in love with Shinji in the first place. She wouldn't care less. Shinji is not even able to maker her happy.

Also:
>rebuild
kek.

I won't even bother looking for a ss of Kuronami on 3.33 for replying to the weak bait about how the lack of Rei in the entire 3.33 made every autist Reifag wanting to kill themselves.

There simple isn't a single fanbase which Anno despise more (implying he haven't abandoned us all) than autistic Reifags. Everything Anno has trying to teach you not to be with EoE.
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>>133155091
Stop shitposting your gay shit, Kaworutard, just stop. My god, get a fucking life.
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>>133155217
>gay shit
>posts an actual cap from the show
Did you just go full retard?
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>>133155175
>entire movie revolves around Shinji trying to figure out what happened to Rei with Kaworu sideplot
>lack of Rei
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>>133155175
3.33 is a masterpiece just for blessing us with a world of less Reifags.
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>>133155260
>an actual cap from the show
>implying I was complaining about the cap, not the stupid retarded text
Impressive how autistic and retarded you are. With those interpretation skills, no wonder you are either a fat failure in life fujoshit, or an autistic homosexual who actually think there is proper char development in Kaworu.

Fucking amazing.
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>>133155260
I bet whenever he rewatches Eva he skips episode 24 because it triggers him. He can't handle it.
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>>133155356
I sense anger here.
I'll take a shot every time you type a buzzword.
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>>133155356
>>133155217
>you will never be this angry about a cartoon show
And then you wonder why Anno panders to the Kaworufags instead of you.
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>>133155091
that's bullshit but I believe it
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>>133155421
Shinji looks really good in a maid outfit.
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>>133155474
>pander to kaworufags
>kill him cruelly and pointless to reinforce him as a mere plot device twice
Kek, delusional, as always.
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>>133139587
But I can't self insert as Rei
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>>133155873
>implying we're all not sadistic gorefags
I'll have you know I jacked off to Kaworu's death scene 85 times now. Anno knows what's up.
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>>133155873
>Kek
Kill yourself with a sledgehammer.
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>>133148354
I know it's an unpopular opinion here, but I liked 3.33 just because it had that same kind of subtly wrong world that I liked about the original Eva the most.
A world where cold science and crazy religious pseudo-magic lived side-by-side with very little out-right explained to you.
Even if it failed to capture any depth the characters had, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't love being suddenly thrust into a world not just detached from our own, but also detached from the franchise's too.
All those cool as fuck Eva corpses under the geofront, the weird Yui head, the AT-less Unit 13, the Angels geared up and used as weapons by NERV, etc were too fucking unfamiliar and strange.
I personally loved it, but only for the world. The characters were fucking ruined.
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>>133139587
It wouldn't BE eva if Shinji wasn't the main character
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>>133156554
>because it had that same kind of subtly wrong world that I liked about the original Eva the most
>subtly
Yeah, I think you might want to check up on that word's definition.
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>>133139587
Evangelion would have been worse if Touji was the MC
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Is 3.33 better than EOE?
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>>133146285
Rei doesn't have daddy issues like Shinji does, Shinji understands his emotions and hates having them, Rei seriously doesn't understand her emotions or how to express or handle them.
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>>133156714
No, and you should kill yourself for even suggesting that it might be.
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>>133156700
Evangelion would have been better if Jean was the MC
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