>normal character manages to beat a genius through hard work
>character is a rookie genius who manages to beat people who have trained their whole lives
No matter how hard you practice the guy with more talent will always be better.
Isn't a genius just a normal person that put in a lot of effort and hard work?
>Villain never kills protag because he finds him/her to be "interesting one" and gives protag time to progess and train
>Protag turns to be chosen one/alien/demigod, unlocks potential and beat villain to a pulp
>hero becomes too cocky of his own power even in fact he can defeat villain effortlessly
>"it won't be fun this way"
>let's villain to use his "special power up"
>becomes sandbag and loses
No. A Talented person or a genius starts out learning shit way faster or being better at stuff.
If he doesn't invest work in it he just stays at a certain level.
A normal person isn't all that good at stuff, and will never get beyond a certain point without investing a lot in it. Probably so much that he's got no time for other shit.
Genius is the one who learns his shit faster, some people just got talent, they can understand certain stuff better, learn quicker, some are better in sports than most, but every kind of talent got it's limit and in majority of cases hard work overcomes talent.
>Villain says "I'll fight seriously now"
>A normal person isn't all that good at stuff, and will never get beyond a certain point without investing a lot in it. Probably so much that he's got no time for other shit.
thats the point of being genius, a no-genius person can't invest time in something specific like that.
>A no-genius person can't invest time in something like that
Lie. I'm pretty meh at martial arts and i did it 6-7 times a week for 1,5-2 hours.
I got pretty good but there was always this sucker that was better.
Inba it was my brother who did less
What you can invest in something doesn't have to do anything with how good you are at it.
As long as you hold a interest in something and it's somewhat fun for you, you will invest time in it.
and i'm saying you don't really know what your talking about.
If you really want to invest time something then you'll find it.
Doesn't matter how good you're at it as long as you have fun or hold an interest in what you're doing.
>"ojou-sama haremette forced by shitty mother to marry notMC" arc
>if people don't want to work hard on something they suck at, they just say theres no point because it's all talent
>if people don't want to work hard on something they're already okay at, they just say they're a lazy genius
All of you are garbage.
Who wants to beat them?
Every time I think about this it bothers me. What do you become if you DO beat them? Doesn't that then make you better than them? Wouldn't you just become the new 'genius' or whatever? It reminds me of why I got bored with Ippo, because suddenly he wasn't really the underdog anymore, just a person who saw himself as one still.
I don't know, look at Ippo for example. Even when you're better than them you still don't feel like you are generally. I know anytime I've succeeded at anything I still felt like it was a fluke or something. It's like you win but you still lose, because they've got their shit together while you just got this one win.
>What do you become if you DO beat them
Not a Loser anymore.
> Doesn't that then make you better than them?
No you are still inferior to them because they can still work hard when you can´t
are still popular when you aren´t and so one.
>Wouldn't you just become the new 'genius' or whatever
No.It´s just a search for something you can be genuine proud of.
Nothing more nothing less.
>It's like you win but you still lose
And that´s what kumagawa is all about.
What I'm saying is, I wonder if being a loser is less a status and more of a mindset some people are stuck under. I don't think winning alone makes you a winner, now. It's like, the mentality to win is what makes them better.
Yeah, that's kinda what made me see why he always sees himself as a loser even when he does outwit someone.
>Protag loses to big bad
>Gets just strong enough to win
>Next antagonist is just strong enough to be better than the now stronger protagonist
>Rinse and repeat
>MC is obviously in the right
>Other characters think MC is in the wrong despite them being the obvioudly wrong ones
>MC forced to admit they're wrong, show plays it off like MC was actually wrong
>MC apologizes for their "wrong"
I don't like delete-and-repost. I only do it if I made such a bad mistake that removing the erroneous (or embarrassing) data is my priority.
In this case, it's a simple addition to the message, so there's no problem at all with it being split in two.
>MC conveniently trips over every particle of invisible dust whenever there is a girl within 50 feet of him
>otherwise always falls unrealistically in direction of nearest funbags
>Always falls face first into tits and ass
It's implied in all the other routes + endings though that she does crush them eventually
It just happened in Kazuko!route that she did it a bit earlier, hoping that Wanko would find a new path. I actually really enjoyed that route, even if it was depressing.
>MC having all sorts of awkward stutter conversations with female characters he has known for ages
Where the fuck is the point. At least it would be "believable" if he didn't actually know them
>we live in a age where no one calls out the watermark
>the mentality to win is what makes them better.
Isn´t kumagawa the antithese to your theory?
>I wonder if being a loser is less a status and more of a mindset some people are stuck under.
Its both.It´s also a status other put you into.
I fucking hate this.
You can clearly see that this shit is written by talentless faggots that are envious of talented people and depict them bad "hurr they are geniuses so they'll never work hard".
That's no different for anyone.
People who really hate what they are doing stop doing it at some point.
And if they're pressured into doing something there's the bad way to escape.
I actually liked how this route was executed. Though momo was unusually bitchy towards wanko it highlighted that sometimes the world is a cruel place and dreams don't come true. But funnily enough she became the smartest person in her route.
>genius vs hard-worker
Why is this trope so prevalent in anime?
There's no difference between the two. Geniuses are geniuses because they work hard to get there.
There are people who are talented and can learn something faster than others, but even they require hard-work to get anywhere decent.
Why is this trope so over-used, and popular?