>normal character manages to beat a genius through hard work

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>implying

>The genius never works hard

>>133136231
>genius trains
>gets cocky and loses again

>normal character manages to beat a genius through hard work
>it turns out the normal character is actually a super-special Chosen One who inherited an all-powerful bloodline

>>133136612
fuck of narutard

>>133136630
He's talking about Bleach though

>>133136679
>hard work
>a weekend of practice to unlock bankai

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>character is a rookie genius who manages to beat people who have trained their whole lives

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>>133135961
I don't think so, wormslut.

>"intelligent" villain loses because he/she can never take MC seriously despite MC being an obvious threat

>>133136750
fucking tsukimoto

>>133136804
This. Egomaniacal villains like this are always played as "intelligent", yet they're the stupidest of the bunch

>>133136214
Fuck Chris. Fuck. Chris.

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>>133136804

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That never happens in anime, OP

Or in real life

>>133136630
The fact that you knew what he was talking about makes you one too you fucking cock gobbling faggot.

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>>133136750
No matter how hard you practice the guy with more talent will always be better.

>>133138372
Only if he also works on it.

>>133135961
yep, that's fate for ya :)

>>133135961
>the "hard work" is done offscreen

>>133138811
This is always referenced. What was this series about again?

>>133138928
normal guy accidentally gets into a school for magic and has to pretend he actually knows what he's doing.

>>133139098
That sounds like me in French class.

>>133139139
Deviens bon.

>>133139139
Pourtant le français c'est facile senpai

>>133139230
Oui monsieur

>>133138243
The fact that you know what they were talking about makes you one too you fucking retard

>>133139228
>>133139230
>>133139572
>starting to speak romulan

come on guys stick to a language that's at least existing.

>>133138811
sauce?

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>>133135961
Isn't a genius just a normal person that put in a lot of effort and hard work?

>>133140491
Read the bloody filename.

>>133140597
inb4 spoiler image

>>133140597
thanks anon <3

>>133140576
this
only lazy faggots say things like "hur talent"

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>>133135961
>Villain never kills protag because he finds him/her to be "interesting one" and gives protag time to progess and train
>Protag turns to be chosen one/alien/demigod, unlocks potential and beat villain to a pulp

>hero becomes too cocky of his own power even in fact he can defeat villain effortlessly
>"it won't be fun this way"
>let's villain to use his "special power up"
>becomes sandbag and loses

>>133140576
No. A Talented person or a genius starts out learning shit way faster or being better at stuff.
If he doesn't invest work in it he just stays at a certain level.
A normal person isn't all that good at stuff, and will never get beyond a certain point without investing a lot in it. Probably so much that he's got no time for other shit.

>>133140576
Genius is the one who learns his shit faster, some people just got talent, they can understand certain stuff better, learn quicker, some are better in sports than most, but every kind of talent got it's limit and in majority of cases hard work overcomes talent.

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>>133135961

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>>133140870
>Villain says "I'll fight seriously now"

>>133135961
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare

>>133140887
>A normal person isn't all that good at stuff, and will never get beyond a certain point without investing a lot in it. Probably so much that he's got no time for other shit.


thats the point of being genius, a no-genius person can't invest time in something specific like that.

>>133141829
Being able to work hard is a talent too.

>>133141829
>A no-genius person can't invest time in something like that

Lie. I'm pretty meh at martial arts and i did it 6-7 times a week for 1,5-2 hours.
I got pretty good but there was always this sucker that was better.
Inba it was my brother who did less

What you can invest in something doesn't have to do anything with how good you are at it.
As long as you hold a interest in something and it's somewhat fun for you, you will invest time in it.

>>133141899
this

you can work hard enought without having a special faculty that allows you to do that

>>133141969
that's because you aren't working hard enough

>>133141992
>can't*

>>133138372
Actually you need both. No matter how talented you are you need training.

>>133136214
Don't remind me ;_;

>>133142047
I pretty much worked my ass of back then though.
I just didn't have more time besides schoolwork.

>>133142634
2 hours a day is about 8 hours less than what Ippo puts in.

>>133142787
>Schoolwork

I never said i was at a professional level though.
and i just stated
>What you can invest in something doesn't have to do anything with how good you are at it

>>133142921
And I'm saying you never really worked on your martial arts at a high enough level to be able to judge that from personal experience.

>>133142974
and i'm saying you don't really know what your talking about.
If you really want to invest time something then you'll find it.
Doesn't matter how good you're at it as long as you have fun or hold an interest in what you're doing.

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>"ojou-sama haremette forced by shitty mother to marry notMC" arc

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>if people don't want to work hard on something they suck at, they just say theres no point because it's all talent
>if people don't want to work hard on something they're already okay at, they just say they're a lazy genius

All of you are garbage.

>>133136612
The sad thing is that it's hardly limited to just Naruto or Bleach

Stop posting Natsuo, your manga ended.

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>>133135961
Who wants to beat them?
I do.

>>133143905
Every time I think about this it bothers me. What do you become if you DO beat them? Doesn't that then make you better than them? Wouldn't you just become the new 'genius' or whatever? It reminds me of why I got bored with Ippo, because suddenly he wasn't really the underdog anymore, just a person who saw himself as one still.

>>133143283
That´s the excuse of 90percent of the people i know.
Nobody wan´ts to work hard it seems.

>>133139139

omelet du fromage

>>133144039
you moron

youre not better but them

but you win

thats the point

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>>133135961
>gets drunk
>on juice

>>133144249
I don't know, look at Ippo for example. Even when you're better than them you still don't feel like you are generally. I know anytime I've succeeded at anything I still felt like it was a fluke or something. It's like you win but you still lose, because they've got their shit together while you just got this one win.

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>>133144039
>What do you become if you DO beat them
Not a Loser anymore.
> Doesn't that then make you better than them?
No you are still inferior to them because they can still work hard when you can´t
are still popular when you aren´t and so one.
>Wouldn't you just become the new 'genius' or whatever
No.It´s just a search for something you can be genuine proud of.
Nothing more nothing less.

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>>133144341
>It's like you win but you still lose
And that´s what kumagawa is all about.

>>133144402
What I'm saying is, I wonder if being a loser is less a status and more of a mindset some people are stuck under. I don't think winning alone makes you a winner, now. It's like, the mentality to win is what makes them better.

>>133144516
Yeah, that's kinda what made me see why he always sees himself as a loser even when he does outwit someone.

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>>133135961
>Protag loses to big bad
>Gets just strong enough to win
>Next antagonist is just strong enough to be better than the now stronger protagonist
>Rinse and repeat

>>133144559
It makes a lot more sense when you take into account that kumagawa is simply a shitty person.

>MC is obviously in the right
>Other characters think MC is in the wrong despite them being the obvioudly wrong ones
>MC forced to admit they're wrong, show plays it off like MC was actually wrong
>MC apologizes for their "wrong"

>>133136214
Shittiest route ever.

>Nee-san is laid back and supportive of Wanko in every other route
>in that route she's a fucking douchebag who destroys her dreams

>>133141442

Boss fights are supposed to have phases.

>MC accidentally walks into shower
>Girl commits assault & battery
>No legal action taken

>>133144778
No, they're supposed to be entertaining.

>>133144802
*and rewarding.

I hit submit too quickly.

>>133144778
You can have structure to a climactic encounter without resorting to "I was merely warming up!"

>>133144833

You can still delete both of those posts and post again with fixed text.

Shonen battle anime have this weird fixation on freewill and breaking boundaries/expectations

>>133144802
>>133144833
This.
Staged bosses and quicktime event bosses are the death for boss fights.

>>133144848

>heavily armored boss
>you dink away the armor
>the boss gets progressively more nimble as you do

>>133144678
Just like marriage

>>133144890
>Just shonen battle anime
Fiction the world over does, senpai

>>133144857
I don't like delete-and-repost. I only do it if I made such a bad mistake that removing the erroneous (or embarrassing) data is my priority.

In this case, it's a simple addition to the message, so there's no problem at all with it being split in two.

>MC conveniently trips over every particle of invisible dust whenever there is a girl within 50 feet of him
>otherwise always falls unrealistically in direction of nearest funbags
>Always falls face first into tits and ass

>>133145187
>tits and ass
I am sure this should be "tits or ass", otherwise I'd be worried about the girl's spine.

>>133145187
>despite groping girls on daily basis faggot MC still can't handle even a bit of lewd

>>133144744
It's implied in all the other routes + endings though that she does crush them eventually

It just happened in Kazuko!route that she did it a bit earlier, hoping that Wanko would find a new path. I actually really enjoyed that route, even if it was depressing.

>>133145289

>land on tits face first
>hands loop around and get on the ass

>>133145408
That's not what you said.

>>133145423

Since I'm not that anon, no, it's not.

>>133145432
I'm sorry. I shouldn't have burst out like that.

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>>133145187

>MC having all sorts of awkward stutter conversations with female characters he has known for ages

Where the fuck is the point. At least it would be "believable" if he didn't actually know them

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>>133143905
>we live in a age where no one calls out the watermark

>Getting his ass kicked
>"I'm getting excited!"

>>133145612
You did it. Congratulations anon. Please step to the front of the class to receive your /a/ certification license.

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>>133144559
>the mentality to win is what makes them better.
Isn´t kumagawa the antithese to your theory?
>>133144559
>I wonder if being a loser is less a status and more of a mindset some people are stuck under.
Its both.It´s also a status other put you into.

>>133135961
I fucking hate this.
You can clearly see that this shit is written by talentless faggots that are envious of talented people and depict them bad "hurr they are geniuses so they'll never work hard".

>>133145830
>shit is written by talentless faggots

In my experience people with less talent normally tend to work harder than people with more talent though.

>>133145830
>envious of talented people
Every person ever.

>>133146010
Not enough
>You suck
>I'm tough

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>>133145924
>people with less talent normally tend to work harder than people with more talent though.
That´s only right if they realy love what they do.The rest just kinda gives up.

>>133146090
That's no different for anyone.
People who really hate what they are doing stop doing it at some point.
And if they're pressured into doing something there's the bad way to escape.

>>133146145
>That's no different for anyone.
I know.

>>133136214
I actually liked how this route was executed. Though momo was unusually bitchy towards wanko it highlighted that sometimes the world is a cruel place and dreams don't come true. But funnily enough she became the smartest person in her route.

>>133146698
>the smartest person
Of the cast?

>>133135961
>genius vs hard-worker
Why is this trope so prevalent in anime?

There's no difference between the two. Geniuses are geniuses because they work hard to get there.
There are people who are talented and can learn something faster than others, but even they require hard-work to get anywhere decent.

Why is this trope so over-used, and popular?

>>133141899
>natural aptitude for working hard
anon get the fuck out, that's not how it works.

>>133147666
Weak people don't fight weak people. Strong people fight strong people though.

>>133144625
>almost every shounen ever