Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1283

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plz help

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Work is healthy, you can hardly put more upon a man than he can bear. It is not work that kills men; it is worry. Worry is rust upon the blade.

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>>133134868

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What does pic related say?

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>Cornucopia

>>133135300

It says you are a c uck.

>>133135300
I have no idea desu senpai.

>>133135300
It's weird that I can read this. Sometimes I forget how easy Jump stuff is.

>>133135300
>furigana everywhere
>can't look up the words on your own
she's just saying trivial shit anyways

>>133134665
Who's the 10k girl?

>>133135511
I'm making a joke senpai

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>>133135551
http://kaminomi.wikia.com/wiki/Shiori_Shiomiya

>>133135551
You better be trolling or you can just get the fuck out of here

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>>133135555
oh I'm deeply sorry, for a second there I thought you were serious

I love Japanese. Why is this language so fucking fun? I was expecting some awful slog through thousands of words, but it's been nothing but non-stop fun for the last 6 months or so.

Isn't this strange? Wasn't this language supposed to be one of the hardest around? Then why is every aspect so simple compared to my native English?

>>133135617
http://blog.thelinguist.com/language-learning-is-like-falling-in-love

>Then why is every aspect so simple compared to my native English?
English is pretty difficult though, I'd rank it upper mid level

>>133135545
so why is this a meme?

>>133135617
>I love Japanese. Why is this language so fucking fun? I was expecting some awful slog through thousands of words, but it's been nothing but non-stop fun for the last 6 months or so.

Learning languages is fun.

>Isn't this strange? Wasn't this language supposed to be one of the hardest around? Then why is every aspect so simple compared to my native English?

For starters, English is ALSO one of the hardest around. In fact, English is arguably harder than Japanese, Japanese is only "one of the hardest" for us westerners while English is hard for everyone.

Second, spoken Japanese is actually fairly simple, it's the writing system that gets people.

>>133135772
forced by one guy

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>Potential:止められる
>Passive:止められる
>Almost all -ru verbs are like this
Why the fuck?

>>133135798
I don't really know why he finds it funny. Maybe he's secretly trying to get more people to read NG so he can talk about it here?

>>133135838
can you not

>>133135545
I don't get it.

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>>133135617
>I was expecting some awful slog through thousands of words
That "slog" arises as months and years pass and you're still blown the fuck out by vocabulary in things you want to read (see: non shounen manga). If you're in your first six months then you haven't quite experienced "intermediate hell" as it's known (see >>133119196). Well, you may be one of those folks who do 100 words in anki, in that case you'll probably skip that entirely.

Also, as >>133135795 says, most of the difficulty in Japanese is actually kanji (inb4 inevitable "its just a time sink" comments), though some aspects like properly speaking keigo and names are real killers.
>>133135795
>Learning languages is fun.
Very true. The other day I looked up some word and ended up reading about 戦国時代 for like four hours.

How long have you been studying Japanese, /djt/?

>>133135938
Started around july 2015

>>133135938
556 days

>抜き足差し足忍び足
fuck

>>133136053
I still remember when I encountered this, was a guy in a drama spying on a girl and whenever he moved he said one of the three

>>133135838
I get paid 5 bucks a month to shill it here

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>>133136053
旅は道連れ世は情け
同病相憐れむ
狐と狸の化かし合い

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>>133135938
eight days

>>133135938
Around 10 months, although the first 7 or so were a slow ass crawl with 5 new cards a day.

>>133135938
Literally started two days ago. Didn't know these threads existed until very recently, wanted to learn japanese for a while and decided it was time to learn something already.

Started on my Hiragana and still learning how to write each character properly. Please be nice to me, senpai.

>>133135938
17 days.

>>133136330
>Didn't know these threads existed until very recently
Blind or new?

>>133135938
5 years, I can almost read Yotsuba.

>>133136353
I don't browse /a/ very often. That's the only reason, really.

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>>133136330
why waste time on someone who will give up again in 2 weeks

>>133135938
Technically since January 2014 but had a 11 months gap without doing anything and resumed studying on April 2015.

How do you guys avoid slacking?

>>133136454
Not hard when it's the only thing I care about. Putting it down is harder.

>>133136454
you just have to ganbaru

>>133136454
I just make myself do 5-10 minutes of Anki before starting any other activity. Shit gets done easily.

>>133135938
September 2013 with a total of about 7 months of breaks in-between.

>>133136454
My large amount of anki reps prevents slacking to a highly detrimental degree, while the fun I find in reading encourages me to study beyond that.

>>133136454
It's easy not to slack when you genuinely want to learn something.

On the other hand, I've slacked writing to the point that I can barely write at all.

Such is nihongo

>>133135938
Learnt hiragana 4 years ago. Spent 3 months going through core2k 6 months ago and haven't done anything else that would count as "studying". Just been watching anime

>>133136791
FINLAAAAAND

>>133136791
And that's why you'll never learn.

>>133136791
>6 months ago and haven't done anything else that would count as "studying".
>still in /djt/

>>>/out/

>>133136883
Atleast I can consume ALL the anime in raw form

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>>133136382
Are you trying to motivate me by pissing me off? Because it's working.

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>>133137178

>>133137044
NNnnope, you can't.

>>133137408
>implying I'm not already doing it

>>133137496
He's not implying that, he's explicitly stating it.

>>133137648
>third party pedantic statement that adds nothing to the conversation
You fit right in

>>133135938
Started this summer. There were large gaps in between which is why I've only just started learning kanji.

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>>133137178
People who give up do so out of apathy more than anything else, even if he pisses you off it won't matter because time has shown most people just stop caring after a couple weeks and quit studying. Will you be different?

>>133136454
Perform a consciousness check every 10 minutes.

>am I slacking right now?
>no?
>then okay, proceed
>yes?
>stop slacking

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>>133137178
do you really think I'd go out of my way like that?
now fuck off and study

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>>133135938
Started 11 years ago. Still a beginner. Possibly upper beginner.

>>133138621
>11 years
You still have 9 more years until you can truly remember the 400 most basic kanji.

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>>133138621
don't worry, most people take a lifetime to complete RTK

>>133135938
About a week. Doing RTK and listening to audio lessons in the car.

so radicals, I can bang them out in a week right?

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do you guys to any conventions or do cosplay?
Or is the /djt/ only for introverts?

I'm confused now
I've been using a kanji radicals deck with anki, and just paging out to wikipedia's list of radicals to determine which of the pronunciations to remember.

However, I encountered 干 which wikipedia said to pronounce as ほし, but the deck only offers かん・いちじゅう・ほす・ひる・たてかん

I must be doing this wrong or something.

>>133139220
ほし is the stem of ほす which is where the word comes from. 干し -> 干 out of laziness.

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>>133134845
So do you guys cheat and use adderall or anything else to help study?

I've mostly been using adderall myself

>>133139327
vitamin c, caffeine, and healthy fats.

this is the only path

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

>>133139285
oh okay. thanks that helps a lot.
I'm studying the radicals real quick before I jump into normal vocabulary because it seems to make it easier to recognize/differentiate between kanji

>>133139327
I don't even drink coffee

>>133139327
AmphetaNEET, reporting.

>>133139357
Lateness is the key to failure.

>>133139327
Using drugs to help you study is fucking retarded

Even relying on caffiene is pretty dubious

>>133139134
>going to nerd gatherings

>>133139134
That time could be better used to study Japanese.

>>133139429
>Even relying on caffiene is pretty dubious
You mean like 80% of the american population?

I'd be with you if it weren't for the information/attention culture we're living in.

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>>133139327
Vitamin D because I don't go outside.
Fish Oil for supposed memory aid.
Multi vitamin to cover any gaps in my diet.

>>133139429
>caffiene
How is one supposed to work in the mornings if not for that although?

>>133139495
>You mean like 80% of the american population?
Smoking cigarettes literally is inhaling poisonous gas into your lungs that gives you cancer, destroys your health, and hastens you to death, and 17.8% of Americans *PAY* to do it knowing all this.

>>133135938
two months

save me from this hell

>>133139556
And caffeine does literally none of those things

>>133139530
I'm pretty sure you got up as a kid just fine despite the caffeine
take some time to detox that shit out of your system

>>133139530
You realize it only helps you if you do it rarely? If you start every day with coffee you're literally getting no benefit from it, just staving off withdrawal.

>>133139495
Just because it's common doesn't mean it's beneficial.

>watching Nip TV
>there's an advert with 2 girls on a tandem bike to symbolise restoring rhythm to your bowels with some medicine.

I don't think I'll ever understand this fucking country.

>>133139509
I should really get a multivitamin, im way to unhealthy to just be taking fishoil

>>133139530
This may surprise you but if you're not addicted to caffeine and sleep properly then you will not wake up feeling dead inside.
>>133139573
I was just pointing out that just because a lot of people do something doesn't make it smart to do. If 20% of people pay to kill themselves then 80% of people paying to do something stupid and unhelpful isn't that unthinkable. Like other anon said: Just because it's common doesn't mean it's beneficial.

>>133139604
Just start living on Soylent

It suits your NEET lifestyle

>>133139582
>You realize it only helps you if you do it rarely?
Not if you're sleep deprived like literally every single american that both has a full time job and hobbies.

There are also a large number of undiagnosed ADD people and people with "false" or stress induced ADD, for whom any stimulants, even just caffeine, help their short term memory.

>>133139635
Sleep deprivation is bad for your mental health and body, fuckin' schedule 6-8 hours of sleep every day, it's obviously stupid to force yourself to operate on insufficient sleep using drugs. This isn't even arguable.

>>133139623
>I was just pointing out that just because a lot of people do something doesn't make it smart to do. If 20% of people pay to kill themselves then 80% of people paying to do something stupid and unhelpful isn't that unthinkable. Like other anon said: Just because it's common doesn't mean it's beneficial.
This is not a propositional argument though. Ten words or less: How is caffeine /actually/ dubious?

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>>133139343
Your path is weak senpai, I must find my own way

>>133139398
my concrete jungle hoodlum brother

>>133139429
It improves retention and also it makes it easier to just focus and forget about stupid stuff like needing water or food, if youre not a dummy you can just sit and work for hours and not even realize how much time has passed.

>>133139509
I take fish oil anyway cause I have like no omega3 and eating fish makes me sick for whatever reason

Also I should take vitamin D, never leave the house either

Word of the day: 聖徳太子

最近日本史に興味を持ってきました
やっぱりこれ、ウィーブ―化が完成の途中ってことじゃぁ、ないよね
まあ、面白いし、どうでもいいか

>>133139666
>Sleep deprivation is bad for your mental health and body, fuckin' schedule 6-8 hours of sleep every day

If you don't -literally- sleep to your body's natural clock, you are sleep deprived. If you wake up to an alarm, you are sleep deprived. If you wake up to a schedule, you are sleep deprived.

>This isn't even arguable.

No, but your unrealistic autismal worldview is.

>>133139669
>How is caffeine /actually/ dubious?
natural habitat of the plant is in nigger land

>>133139628
I can't imagine anything more depressing than being so scared of food that you give up on ever cooking for yourself.

>>133139735
Natural habitat of tea is east asia.

>>133139635
>Not if you're sleep deprived like literally every single american that both has a full time job and hobbies.

You're retarded.

If you start every morning with caffeine, IT IS ONLY MAKING YOU MORE TIRED.

It doesn't matter how little sleep you get or whatever other bullshit you have going on. Regular caffeine consumption gives you a "new normal" that's lower than what you'd be at without it, and leaves you 10x as tired until you feed your addiction.

A week without coffee and you'd wake up every morning with a slightly higher energy level than you usually get after you finish your regular coffee.

This is scientific fact.

>>133139784
incorrect, I only started drinking coffee recently and I get shit tons of sleep regardless. Always felt tired through out the day before caffeine

>>133139669
His whole statement was
>80% of people use it so I doubt it's bad
to which I said
>20% of people smoke so your logic is bad.
That's all.
>>133139722
If you go to bed at the same time every day, over time you will wake up at the same time without needing an alarm. And sleep deprivation isn't as simple as you're making it, try reading about the subject before posting.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YOwEqGykDM
let's all learn something rather than argue around, shall we?

>>133139861
>my anecdotal evidence disproves massive bodies of scientific research

You're what's wrong with America.

>>133139784
>If you start every morning with caffeine, IT IS ONLY MAKING YOU MORE TIRED.

Citation needed

>It doesn't matter how little sleep you get or whatever other bullshit you have going on.

According to who?

>Regular caffeine consumption gives you a "new normal"

So you're saying that it's literally ineffectual?

>and leaves you 10x as tired until you feed your addiction.
>addiction
>caffeine

Confirmed for retard

>A week without coffee and you'd wake up every morning with a slightly higher energy level than you usually get after you finish your regular coffee.

The dependency on caffeine lasts roughly 1.5 months, not one week.

Caffeine does not affect your "energy levels", it affects your neurology.

>>133139871
>His whole statement was

--was not a propositional argument. And was responded to with a fallacious propositional argument.

>If you go to bed at the same time every day, over time you will wake up at the same time without needing an alarm.

That has nothing to do with the simple fact that people *do not* live their lives like that.

>And sleep deprivation isn't as simple as you're making it, try reading about the subject before posting.

Whether you /have/ it, is that simple. The extent is irrelevant to the argument at hand, because it's an absolutism about "is caffeine, as such, beneficial to sleep deprivation, as such", with no statements about magnitude.

>>133139948

>Anecdotes don't disprove absolutist interpretations of inductive data

My little anon can't be this sophomore!

>>133139948
Not him, but I'm gonna trust my anecdotes too, haven't been near coffee for the past 2 weeks and mornings are terrible to deal with.

>>133140014
>haven't been near coffee for the past 2 weeks and mornings are terrible to deal with.

It's called "withdrawal"

>>133139995
>was not a propositional argument.
You're dancing around it but he clearly was saying that because 80% of americans use it he doubts its bad, and ergo noting that 17.8% of americans smoke is a natural response. Stop with your meandering bullshit because you cna't change that.
>That has nothing to do with the simple fact that people *do not* live their lives like that.
Which is their problem.
>he extent is irrelevant to the argument at hand, because it's an absolutism about "is caffeine, as such, beneficial to sleep deprivation, as such", with no statements about magnitude.
What the heck are you even trying to say? You oversimplified sleep depriviation with incorrect statements such as "if you wake up to an alarm you're sleep deprived" which is not true.

Is this the legendary argumentative autist? Shouting a lot of rhetoric while having no substance behind it?

>>133140172
>You're dancing around it but he clearly was saying that because 80% of americans use it he doubts its bad

Nope. Doubts it to be /dubious/. Completely different.

>Which is their problem.

Yes, but it's not /this/ problem.

>What the heck are you even trying to say?

You can't follow simple logic? Let me break it down for you:

1) We're talking about caffeine
2) We're not stating how much
3) We're talking about how this undefined amount of caffeine relates to sleep deprivation
4) You make an argument about the /amount/ of sleep deprivation
5) This is a fallacy of invalid context

>You oversimplified sleep depriviation with incorrect statements such as "if you wake up to an alarm you're sleep deprived" which is not true.

Except it is. Research shows that people who wake up to alarms every day, even if they go to bed for example 8 hrs before their alarm (a sensible amount of time), all show signs of minor to mild sleep deprivation over time.

>Is this the legendary argumentative autist?

"Waaahhh someone disagrees with me so I have to pull out my boogeyman!"

組織

そしき
organization, constitution, tissue

what

>>133139931
no fuck you

>>133140259
You've clearly drifted into your own world of /fallacies/ and /rhetoric/.
>Doubts it to be /dubious/.
And that doubt is based on the illogical proposition that because 80% of people use it, it probably isn't bad. It's illogical for obvious reasons and the smoking analogy served as an easy to understand example.
>Yes, but it's not /this/ problem.
Yes it is.
>You make an argument about the /amount/ of sleep deprivation
No I didn't.
< Research shows that people who wake up to alarms every day, even if they go to bed for example 8 hrs before their alarm (a sensible amount of time), all show signs of minor to mild sleep deprivation over time.
Let's see this research.
>"Waaahhh someone disagrees with me so I have to pull out my boogeyman!"
Wahhh someone is being autistic and argumentative

>>133140259
>Except it is. Research shows that people who wake up to alarms every day, even if they go to bed for example 8 hrs before their alarm (a sensible amount of time), all show signs of minor to mild sleep deprivation over time.
Not him, but I'm finding this conversation interesting. I never use an alarm clock and haven't for about 4 years. I always wake up around the same time with 5-6 hours of sleep. (Usually something like 1am to 7am.) Is this alright?

>>133140408
Clearly you don't /exist/, /need/ caffeine, and are /sleep/ deprived ;o)

>>133140408
I wake up with an alarm clock usually but whenever it fails I still naturally wake up at that time
It's just habit

>>133140487
Classic signs of sleep deprivation

>>133140496
Bullshit.

>>133140574
Yes that's the joke.

Sleep is time that could be spent studying kanji

Drugs are distractions from studying kanji

Caffeine is a crutch for those too weak to study kanji

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What was this game called?

>>133140676
Cute Girlfriend I Wish Were Real 2.

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>>133140601
>Sleep is time that could be spent studying kanji
This is why I use the Uberman sleep cycle, Everyman is fine if you're a beginner

>>133140390
>And that doubt is based on the illogical proposition that because 80% of people use it, it probably isn't bad.
Stop using that word. I'm not going to respond to this line of argument until you stop using the word "bad" to describe this view on caffeine.

>Yes it is.

Ten words or less. Go.

>No I didn't.

>Sleep deprivation is bad for your mental health and body, fuckin' schedule 6-8 hours of sleep every day, it's obviously stupid to force yourself to operate on insufficient sleep using drugs. This isn't even arguable.
>And sleep deprivation isn't as simple as you're making it, try reading about the subject before posting.

It is literally impossible for these two views to be held without there being an argument about differing amounts of sleep deprivation.

>Let's see this research.

Beholden yourself to an entire genre of academics that you're totally alien to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Till_Roenneberg

I'm not going to bother responding to anything else on this line of argument until you read this page top to bottom.

>Wahhh someone is being autistic and argumentative

That is you. As someone who instigates and partakes a verbose argument, you're being autistic and argumentative, at this very moment.

Let's get to the relevant part already.
How many hours must one sleep to study Japanese with maximum efficiency?

>>133140891
0

>>133140408
>Is this alright?
If you're waking up of your body's natural schedule, you cannot possibly be doing anything wrong.

>>133140891

9, tried 8 but I was too tired to get up.

>>133140891
Depends on your body
I need 9-10

>>133140773

>falling for this meme

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>Where are you f am?
>

>>133140891
8-9, but whenever I don't set an alarm I just sleep for 13 hours straight
There might be something wrong with me

>>133140891
I do fine with 4 to 5 hours of sleep, sometimes 3.

>>133141049
If you don't wake up at your alarm time when you don't set an alarm then you're probably sleep deprived.

>>133141017
What the fuck they have COCO's in Japan?
Is it supposed to be good?

>>133141093
>sleep deprived
I don't know, I never sleep less than 8 hours a day, how much sleep can my body possibly need?
I don't want to have to sleep 11 hours or more every day

Anyone got a link for RTK 3 3rd edition?

彼奴

>>133141220
Question before I give any advice, do you do caffeine? If yes, how much at what times of day?

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>>133141223

>RTK

>>133141248
>do you do caffeine
yes, maybe 1 cup a day, sometimes less.
depends on what I eat for breakfast

>>133141332
Do you have it at breakfast?

>>133127587

This sounds like a bullshit statistic.

I can't speak from personal experience, but going off of Steve Kauffman's accounts + my own experiences, production is a separate yet highly related skill. There are people who can produce far better than they can listen (these people are generally very bad at both, though). If you think about it, unless your listening skills are very good, you can probably think of a few words that you could say but wouldn't necessarily pick out in a conversation between two Japanese people.

Steve says that production is like this: You "activate" your passive vocabulary through sheer practice. It's tough as shit at first, but over the course of a few weeks of non-stop production, your passive knowledge begins to kick in, and it gets easier. Where input helps here is that it builds your passive vocabulary and gets you used to the rhythm of the language, thereby greatly increasing your potential and making you much better at production when you finally get the hang of it.

>>133141351
yeah, mostly coffee

>>133140891
If I don't get 7-8 hours of sleep I start falling asleep while watching anime or doing some equally passive activity. Even worse if it's right after eating

>that feel when you're watching a variety show and see a celebrity you actually know for once
>that feel when you actually understand a reference because you've seen the drama they're referencing
Finally. I'm becoming Japanese.

Now all I have to do is watch a few thousand episodes of Doraemon.

>>133141364
In other words:

You can't produce what you don't understand, but you can understand whatever you can (actually) produce.

Different people are better or worse at actually producing, but it's somewhat relative to what they can understand.

?

>>133141420
All I can say is get used to being a "heavy" sleeper

>>133141467
>watch gaki no tsukai end of year show
>only reason I recognize anyone is because I've watched the other end of year shows
>still miss half the jokes because I don't actually know these people
I'd like to watch these with extensive TL notes

>>133140300
Tissue as in the biological term.

>>133135938
since sunday. got all the hiragana down today and started reading about grammar + 2k thing on anki. i'll probably get started with katakana tomorrow.
i havent done any handwriting. will probably regret that later.

>>133141220

It's more likely that you don't have a set sleep schedule.

If you wake up at 10 a.m. every single day, eventually, your body will start waking you up at 10 a.m. even without an alarm. Same thing with sleep. If you go to sleep at 2 a.m. every single day, eventually, your body will begin with get drowsy a little before 2 a.m.

You can also sleep too much. Personally, my body begins to fuck me over if I get more than nine hours of sleep.

Lastly, consider exercising. That'll boost your energy levels a bit.

>>133141632
I feel like a lot of those gags wouldn't even work with TL notes, the joke is the sudden appearance of some heavy drama actor in a silly role.

The best they can do is say "this is a parody of the ending scene of a classic show from 30 years ago that everyone in Japan knows about".

>>133140773
That looks pretty inconvenient, to be honest.

>>133142158
It also looks like bullshit.

顔射

>>133142555
イラマチオ

>watching conan
>episode has people who do paintings and such
>they keep saying 　しゃせい
>slight smile every time I hear it
This is why learning words from doujins and hentai before being fluent is not a great idea

>>133143325

私の父が写生しています。

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>>133143325

>started college a bit over a month ago
>halfway through genki's lesson 2
>still haven't taught us any kanji
>almost everyone is stuttering hard even at hiragana, let alone katakana
>a-at least I know how to make ikebana and some important places of a country I never plan to move to
I won't walk out of this college and be able to speak it fluently, will I?
I already know 37 kanji. Should've studiet it alone and major in something else ;_;

>>133144442
Sorry you were stupid enough to major in a fucking language.

What's worse is that the culture element of your course will focus on stupid bullshit anyone could learn from Wikipedia in 5 minutes.

If you're only a month in, is it really impossible for you to switch to a real major? It's not like you've missed much work.

>>133144442
Damn dude, just switch out and do something else.

>>133144442
Switch majors, you're only a month in what the fuck.

Major in something that will pay the bills, minor in your passion.

>>133144442
I took a college Japanese course for 3 days and left. The professor (a Jap) told us that we were going to completely ignore kanji and do like 5 hiragana per class and eventually 5 katakana per class. If your goal isn't to get a job that requires a degree in Japanese, and you just want to learn the language for the sake of knowing the language, then learning on your own is invariably going to be faster than the majority of college courses.

>>133144555
>>133144646
>>133144651
>tfw already been neet for a year after highschool and was super excited to finally study something I like and get a senmon
>mfw can't switch majors like that because things in yuropoor don't work like that
Can't wait another year. Guess I have to study it myself and be waay ahead of the class like I already am.
Also, what the fuck is up with genki? Why do I know how to say major, post office, economics and history before I studied colors and stuff like that?

>>133144842

Demographics. Some books focus on business or how to get around at their main priorities.

>>133144773
What the fuck do they do in these classes?
>Look: あ
>20 minutes later
>Right, now look here: い
>20 minutes later
>Ok, time to move on: え
>Repeat for 1 year

I guess they waste a lot of time writing them down repeatedly and doing stuff in romaji until they learn the kana, but even so, it's hard to imagine how they fill up the time and make so little progress.

>>133144842
There's no way your university wouldn't let you switch if you asked and you had the grades. Tell them the alternative is you dropping out, and they'll change their tune in a heartbeat, all schools these days only exist for defrauding the government/dumb children. Pay obscene money to get a meaningless sheet of paper.

They're not going to give up on a golden goose a month in, they will beg you to stay for the full 3 years.

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What do you guys use for reading manga? I have a kobo glo e-reader (which is fine for LNs ofc) and an old samsung tablet. It's quite heavy if you read for a while and I thought about getting something lighter. Recommendations?

Thought about a smaller tablet (~7-8 inch) or HD e-ink reader, anyone has some experience with those?

Buying the physical copies in Japanese is a pain in the ass in Europe and just costs too much for large quantities compared to buying a translated manga. Might be an option though for works I really enjoy. If you are from Europe, any recommended websites to order them? Experience ordering them directly from Japan yourself?

>>133144442
Dude you have to bail. Learn something useful and keep Japanese as a hobby.

>>133137821
>clarification is nothing
I bet you remove downvotes from selfies posted on your myspace feed.

>>133145004

You might want to try the buyfag thread for this.

>>133139758
Snow niggers who went south at Mongolia.

>>133145221
They mostly just talk about dolls and shit. But you are basically right.

I wanted to ask you guys, because I think you are smarter and of course might have experience with reading Kanjis on a small ass screen. It's not like reading Latin letters which we have been reading all our life.

>>133145121
>>133144989
Might as well try to get them to change my major.
Think that might require some bribing since I already signed the education contract and got myself registered. And that's assuming it's possible in the first place.
Thank you.

Also, what's the polite version of janakatta, I know janai = dewa/ja arimasen but I can't find janakatta in my book

>>133145440

ではありませんでした

>>133145440
>janakatta
痛
痛いよ
もう、許してよ
頼むから、使ってはならない

What are some good physical books to learn jap?

>>133145440
>being retarded

Just get into a STEM field, faggot liberal pussy nigger.

>not learning at least 5 programming languages
>2015

>>133145761

>friend goes into biochemistry
>still ends up stacking boxes in a warehouse

Alright /a/, I am learning Japanese. NO I am not a weeaboo nerd. I am fascinated with Japanese culture, food, traditions, how the society is based on honor and being humble...I have fallen in love with Japan, and everything about it.
I hope to travel abroad in Japan someday. There are exchange student programs at my high school, but you have to pay for the whole thing; All they do is register you in the program. But it's something I will consider in Post-secondary.
I am very lucky that my school has three levels of Japanese courses. I do not think I would be as able to learn on my own than if I was in a class.

>>133145761
3rd year computer science student here. Should have finished already but dropped out for two years in the past.
Been completing my classes but I feel like I don't know shit and will never have the necessary competences to get a job in the area.
Not really going anywhere with the blogging, just wanna say I'm shit and only around because of Japanese.

>>133145927
>NO I am not a weeaboo nerd. I am fascinated with Japanese culture, food, traditions, how the society is based on honor and being humble...I have fallen in love with Japan, and everything about it.
It's okay, you are amongst kin now.

What is the difference between 大人しい and 優しい ?

>>133146221
What's the difference between 2 completely different words with vastly different meanings, I mean they don't even have a single thing in common aside from being adjectives?

I don't know man, seems like a tough question. Try studying for a decade and maybe you'll work out the subtle differences.

>>133146294
so the deck is shit ? Core6k has both as "gentle"

>>133146327
It has "quite, subdued" for the first and "kind" for the second, you have to look at all the English definitions.

>>133146327

http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E5%A4%A7%E4%BA%BA%E3%81%97%E3%81%84

http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/+%E5%84%AA%E3%81%97%E3%81%84

Yeah that sounds like a shit definition. The guy above was characteristically dickish but he's basically right.

>>133145004
I bought a cheap 10 inch windows tablet for 2000 SEK (about 230 USD or 215 EUR) that works great for manga. I also get the benefit of being able to play VNs in bed, which is pretty neat.

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>>133146221

>>133146387
I dont mind if people are dickish, we're on 4chan thanks for the links

>>133146385
will take a bit more care about that, I was just confused as both had the first one as gentle, that I thought that the difference is just some small nuance

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>>133145927
>I am fascinated with Japanese culture, food, traditions, how the society is based on honor and being humble...I have fallen in love with Japan, and everything about it.
>I am not a weeaboo


Do you want to ask or just tell us your life story? This is not your blog kid.

I just finished learning hiragana and am now trying to understand sentences. Is now the time to start on kanji? I've heard that knowing kanji makes it much easier to read words in sentences.

>>133146590
Yeah, couldn't read shit before starting kanji, get on it now.

Do AM and PM switch at the same times on the clock in Japan as they do in America and other english speaking countries?

>>133146804
I was under the impression they didn't switch at all. Don't take my word for it, though.

>>133146804

Pretty much?

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>>133146804
You mean at 12 PM and 12 AM...?

>>133145927
>I am fascinated with Japanese culture, food, traditions, how the society is based on honor and being humble...I have fallen in love with Japan, and everything about it.
>I hope to travel abroad in Japan someday. There are exchange student programs at my high school, but you have to pay for the whole thing; All they do is register you in the program. But it's something I will consider in Post-secondary.
>I am very lucky that my school has three levels of Japanese courses. I do not think I would be as able to learn on my own than if I was in a class.

>NO I am not a weeaboo nerd.

>>133146874
>>133146877
>>133146889
I didnt think they changed, but In the genki book there is an exercise to tell what time Mary does stuff in her schedule and it has PM starting at 3:00 and not 12:00 like it would normally be in english.

>>133145954
just try something with database.

I find tinkering with DB much easier than programming.

>>133146570
Gib folder of sakura pls

>>133145954
Computer science is extremely natural to people. The only thing we're any good at is using technology.

Competence is not a problem.

>>133146989
I think you're probably misinterpreting something

>>133147209
No, I think it is just a printing/editing error

>>133146989

Oh, I see it now. That is legitimately confusing. Just ignore it, Japanese PM does not begin at 3:00.

>>133146992
It was actually one of the few things I feel like I've learned something about so you might be right.

>>133147348
Thanks for the confirmation anon.

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>>133135938
23 months - 8 month break = 15 months

>>133145759
Anyone?

>>133145759
Physical copies of LNs and manga

>>133147723
I mean as a complete beginner to the language.

>>133147742
Physical copies of genki

>>133147651
The Genki books are pretty standard

>>133147869
>>133148070
Thanks.

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>want to play Langrisser 1 in japanese
>see that poor text detail

JUST

>>133148388

I can read most of it but damn that is nasty. You're completely screwed if you come across and unknown Kanji.

>>133148388
>playing retro games without at least a PVM
Why even bother? I can't imagine that eyecancer font without some nice scan lines.

>>133148999
>muh scanlines

Adding eyecancer to eyecancer doesn't fix anything

How do you spell McDonald's in katakana?

>>133149139
ユーアーエイーファゴット

>>133149171
できない

>>133149139
アメリカ人の寺

>>133149139
中出し希望

>>133149090
>I've only ever seen dogshit emulated scanlines so I don't know what I'm talking about
They're the absolute most important feature for retro gaming, because they heavily break up the jagged outlines of pixels.

You can pick one up for like 20 bucks, dude. Mine is an old medical set that cost a few thousand bucks new. Even came with the vent guards so you don't spill medicine or vomit inside.

>>133149139
エム・シー・ディー・オー・エヌ・エー・エル・ディー・アポストロフィー・エス

>>133149225
>muh scanlines

>>133149171
>>133149210
>>133149222
>>133149280

fuck you guys

>>133149507
>google "mcdonalds"
>go to mcdonalds wikipedia page
>scroll down and click 日本語 for the japanese page
or even just
>google "mcdonalds japan"
>go to images

>>133149693
Why do work when I can ask you?

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>>133149225
I bet you also like curvature on screens faggot

Jesus christ, I stopped doing flashcards for a few week, and basically stopped caring ,and it was such a pain to come back and not even remember basic words. It was harder coming back that it was starting.

>>133149915
It just shows that you didnt actually learn anything and your time was wasted.

>>133149915
Flash cards are meant for review not teaching.

>>133150528
With a simple vocabulary word, what else is there to learn? Besides context that can only be gained by seeing a word in the wild thousands of times.

>>133150098

I'm guessing that he's not very far in.


>>133150528

>see word on flashcard
>run across it in the wild
>recognize it
>go through the same process with thousands of other words

How is this not teaching?


>>133150595

Reading will teach you the word eventually.

Anki + reading is the path of least resistance, though.

>>133151210
>Anki
Why is it 25 dollars for an iphone app but free for droid?

>>133151365
Cause Iphone a shit

>>133151210
>Reading will teach you the word eventually.
It's very possible to "read" without learning any readings, if you only pay attention to the translation.

>>133151410
That is no excuse

>>133151457
Punishing stupidity is a good enough reason for me.

>>51187265
have yOu guys been to japan or do you have japanese people to talk to？
ive never been there and only met a few people whove ever spoken japanese

Do you guys wanna add others here over skype? maybe a group?

talk about studies, get better at japanese, talk japanese

>>133151590
Have fun with your circlejerk.

>>133151590
Acouple of us suggested that once acouple months back, ended up being only four of us. and the groups been dead for awhile now

>>133151622
>>133151666
not really anything big like hour long talks just smalls chats talk about studies and stuff suggest material and just talk i guess

>Skype

>>133151749
You can do all that in this thread

>>133151749
I can invite you to it if you want, no ones said anything in chat since august
>>133151821
^

>>133151423

Yes, it is possible to handle your reading in a way that's not conductive towards learning.

And? You're going to have to kick that habit if you're looking to get good at Japanese, regardless of whether you use anki or not.

>If you use text hookers, this means that you automatically blindly rely on furigana and the dictionary telling you what every word means instead of recalling readings and piecing together sentences on your own.

Not true in the least.

>But you're prone to.

If you've formed such a habit, it's very possible to break it. It's called "don't look at the text parsing or hover over words until you've confirmed that you don't have sufficient knowledge to figure it out on your own".

You really should start reading as soon as you finish a grammar guide. Anki serves as a great auxiliary activity to reading, and reading makes anki easier. Many times, you'll find that you can just hit easy on an anki card because you've learned it from your reading, and that other cards containing kanji from that word will be no-effort.

>>133151847
can't you just post the group name here?

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>>133151938

>部屋にくる。
Few lines later
>宿題を今⽇から明⽇までする。
I feel like this Tae Kim smoothly turned up two gears here, from basic shit to proper sentence. Fun is starting now.

>>133152038
okay i tried but don't know how to add groups

thanks anyway

>>133152143

Nope, that's still basic shit.

Japanese grammar guides for English-speaking learners in general never get terribly complicated, unless it's DoJG.

The fun starts when you begin reading native material. Part of the reason why people strongly recommend getting through the grammar guide quickly and then going straight into reading is because the example sentences and dialogues in grammar guides are very clean and simple compared to the actual, real life Japanese used by native speakers.

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>learning kanji with conan
He explains what some of them mean

>>133152496
>subs
Are raws not available or something?

>>133152659
Downloaded from a 170gb torrent and most of them are hard subbed. Would probably have to download from multiple half dead torrents if I wanted raws so didn't bother

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I got these to help me practice writing kanji. They're for elementary school kids, but I like them.

>>133152928
かわいい

>>133152965
ですね～

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>>133152928
u

>>133152928
scan?

わたしをいもうとです

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>>133153298
Would you guys actually be interested if I scanned it? I figured scans probably exist somewhere, I just didn't feel like printing it all out.
pic related is a sample of the interior

アノンめタヒねよ

>>133153450
Data is a good thing

>>133153450

Every little helps.

>>133153490
Not really, if getting it takes a lot of work and the people who say they want it don't do anything with it.

>>133153450
What do the kanji drills look like?

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>>133153670
This. It gives basic steps with simple explanations

>>133153463
クソガキ市ね

>>133153776
I'd bother to rip the font from it using tracing if I knew it weren't simpler to just somehow pirate it.

>>133088795

yeah even the untranslated eroge thread on jp thought it was weird, and that something was up.

if you ask me she might of done something like "i'l pretend i don't know these lewd words" or something like that girls do

>tfw you will never get to learn kanji in Japanese school classes along with natives

>>133154321
kanji is easy vocab is hard

>>133154215

Shit I can only read 10 as well. I feel insufficiently lewd.

>>133154381
No i mean she might be a funjoshi and she though hey if people think i know all these words that are often used in sex and kinky stuff they might think I'm a lewd girl so she said she didn't know them

Still heard there was a some backlash of something check the thread on /jp/ i guess

meeting up with qt jap girl tomorrow from language exchange app, wish me luck DJT

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>>133154651
how?

>>133154651
I wish there were qt japs in my country. There's a few highschooler exchange students on hellotalk but that's it

I haven't watched anything since I got bored of trying to go through Detective Conan a few weeks ago.

人生は辛い

>>133154711
By talking to her for 6 months almost every day.

Sadly I'll only be with her for 10 days then she'll go back to Japan.

どんなに苦しくてもやり遂げる

>>133152464
> Part of the reason why people strongly recommend getting through the grammar guide quickly and then going straight into reading is because the example sentences and dialogues in grammar guides are very clean and simple compared to the actual, real life Japanese used by native speakers.

It's also because the dialogue in Tae Kim is slightly awkward and often clearly non-native.

Still correct enough to learn from initially, but definitely not the patterns you want to ingrain into your head.

Tell me what you learned in Japanese today, /djt/.

>>133155001
I don't learn anything new in Japanese, I just learn math.

>>133155001
All the new words today were words I've already seen in reading. I learned jack shit.

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>>133155001

>>133155001

一も二もなく

>>133155001
was reading a novel today and further reminded myself that 全く is not read 'subeku'

>>133155001
Difference between 科学 and 化学, also ろうと and じょうご.

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>>133155001
That getting my hands on a kindle paperwhite is the best thing I've done for Japanese. Seven pages into the chapter two of バカとテストと召喚獣 第01巻 and 186 words to add to Anki at some point. Going from ゆるゆり to this is certainly a change of format.

Would you say pic related scales to the size of an average page? It's hard to tell with the ereader due to the ability to scale font size which alters the "location" of the current screen page.

>>133153776
It looks neat and cute.

>>133155883
My paper books have 16-17 columns per page, so scale so yours is scaled a tiny bit large

>>133155176
コナン is a mousey looking motherfucker isn't he?

>>133155883

Does it do verb deconjugation?

>>133156040
16-17 columns, cheers. The smallest font provides 18 columns, the largest font provides 4 giant columns. Pretty neat.

>>133156080
Sure does. The main reason I bought it. Ended up installing a third party dictionary instead of the J-E progression one. This is the dictionary: https://github.com/jrfonseca/jmdict-kindle
A few results yeild a couple of dictionaries put together by two people on reddit and someone on koohii but they are paid dictionaries on the amazon store. Let's be honest: they are only going to be put together using free databases and charging for that? Get fucked. This free one works better than the default.

besides eroge what do you guys read?

>>133156850
/djt/

>>133156850
Bad Japanese the people here write

>>133156863
quite a few people here read eroge most new readers go for hanahira and stuff VNs are useful as you can hook text and get the definition

>>133156850

Shitty LNs. Supplementary material for shit games.

>>133156850
Shitty WNs and LNs.

>>133156850
JP Amazon reviews.

where do you guys get your light novels for your kindles

I'm on the kindle store japanese section and the selection is shit

>>133157110
the fucks a kindle?
Can't you just download the LN?

>>133156850
Manga.

>>133157146
I commute on the train everyday and read it from there. Plus it has a built in dictionary function where I can highlight a word and it gives me a definition with onyomi and kunyomi

>>133157223
thats pretty useful

any advanced readers here ?

what you reading?

how much do read a day?

Why is every LN I want to download only available in image format? I don't understand.

>>133157542
Try including 青空文庫 in your search terms

>>133157711
The first hit is the twitter of someone who worked on it. Now I feel bad.

>>133157542
There might be other versions on AnimeBytes. Have you tried there?

If you don't have an account, name an LN you want and I'll go check for you. That way you'll know whether trying to get an account is worth your time.

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>Shitty handwriting
>Have trouble writing English legibly, let alone Japanese
>Generally do okay with writing kanji legibly, even though I struggle to produce some really basic ones wherever they appear (especially 女)
>Struggle a good deal with 鳥, 島, etc for no particular reason
>Write the most beautiful 島 I've ever written or seen
>Have to erase it because it was the wrong kanji anyway

it hurts my soul i'll never have one that good again

>>133158407
>>>Generally do okay with writing kanji legibly, even though I struggle to produce some really basic ones wherever they appear (especially 女)
Can you write め?

>>133158407
>(especially 女)
I really struggle with writing this one properly too. It's because the first stroke is at a weird angle and it's hard to get it right.

>>133158629
>it's hard to get it right.
then don't

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>>133158456
Decently well. My kana are pretty messy but that's only because I rush them. I'm never satisfied with my あs even when they don't look bad at all.

>>133158629
I gave up on the proper stroke order a while ago. I do it in reverse now, actually. Looks a tad bit better.

Oh by the way I was double wrong, that 島 is what I should have written in the first place so I erased it for nothing ;_;

>>133158407
If you have a DS, do some training through Bimoji and Kakitori.

>>133158407
>(especially 女)
Try writing it the horizontal line first. I found it a lot easier to get it right that way

>>133158909
It won't help, anonymous. I'm doomed to have shitty handwriting forever. I can't draw, either.

>>133158965
I see. Then you're just proving dekainai-chan and this >>133136382 right. Give up then.

>>133158965
That's okay, nobody handwrites anymore.

>>133158235
I have no intention of getting an account, but now I'm curious if it's even on there. The series isn't exactly popular.

ファイヤーガール

>>133159051
Never give up anonymous!
Besides, I'm exaggerating. It's far from illegible, I just wish it looked better is all. I do practice religiously!
Hell, it's probably better than my English which nobody but me can read

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>>133156850
Refined literature.

>>133157110
>where do you guys get your light novels for your kindles
The CoR. An anon uploaded a shitload of kindle drm stripped ebooks.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VlUpDwG_PUsfyDpDSFnzJB_GU42n8KRUzobLneET9g/edit?pli=1#gid=0

>>133159174
>ファイヤーガール
I tried both "ファイヤーガール" and "Fire Girl", but neither had any results.

Why is 大切 pronounced たいせつ and not だいせつ?

>>133159541
Because 大 isn't just "dai"

>>133159541
Because Mongolian jews.
Never forgot.

>>133159541
たいせつ sounds better. That's usually the case every time they pull that trick.

>>133159628
>>133159856

but why is 大事 pronounced だいじ? Is that to distinguish the two?

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>>133159947

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>dat fanservice
>121 episodes left
Should I start doing core6k again? Got like 1700 reps piled up

>>133161107
>watching raws
>hasn't even finished core6k
You can't be seriously understanding even half of it with so little vocabulary.

>>133161107
You watched the movies?