Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1282

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Work spares us from three evils: boredom, vice and need.

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Any way to add images to the rest of core 6k after the first 2k? Maybe some koohii autist did it?
I feel that images are a great way to remember the card

>>133093495
>I feel that images are a great way to remember the card
You're sitting on a weak foundation if you're relying of images to recognise a card.

>>133093522
I don't know anon, I think I'm doing pretty well.

>>133093540
It's just cheating, as what the image depicts doesn't actually affect how well you remember it. It could be a picture of a carrot for the word plane, and you'd still remember if after seeing that specific image.

I'ee been watching anime for 10+ years so I've never needed to open a textbook or use once. Feels good reading Muramasa on a whim while you retards slave away at anki,

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>>133094737

>>133094737
It's okay if the thread is inactive you can just bump it when it's on page 10

>>133094737
Epic work, lad.

>>133094737
One of djt's dankest memes

What happened with namasensei?

>>133095175
He got fired and deported.

how many people here are actually successful and can watch/read stuff raw

compared to those who don't learn anything and quit or stagnate

>>133095275
>fired
Why?

>>133095323
His videos were seen by his employers.

>>133095285
Have a poll
http://strawpoll.me/5910866

>>133095285
No one ever succeeds at learning Japanese, it's just too hard

>>133095285
It's not like that's a binary switch where one day you suddenly know japanese and can read and analyze dies irae without a dictionary
You need a more specific definition if you want a useful answer

>>133095323
>Students found out about them, a father called up the school about his shamfur dispray and swearing, drinking. Even though it was all comedy, he was fired to keep face and reputation of the school.
I wish archive still worked to see the entire story, but that's basically it

>>133095383
That's very vague. I can read Yotsuba but really anyone with half a brain and a month of study time plus some exposure will do it.

>>133095285
I can read everything I want, it just takes time, since I have to constantly look a dictionary up.

>>133095451

So basically he is a hero who sacrificed himself to further the cause of Japanese learning?

>>133095451
No fun allowed.

>>133095448
I guess I mean at the level of the average japanese adult.


Like watch a japanese news program or a documentary in japanese. Something that would be on TV and be expected to be understood fully by an adult.

Or read a book that a japanese adult would be able to understand and read fine.

http://strawpoll.me/5910968

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>>133095387
you're right, Japanese is a nightmare

http://strawpoll.me/5910965

>>133095784
「ガキの使い」とは一体何だよ? 聞いた事ない

>>133095919
ggrks

>>133095448
Use your discretion. You know in your heart of hearts if you're any good or not.

>>133096316
I don't need to be good to read raws

>>133096345
Having to open a dictionary once every two seconds doesn't count as reading.

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Translation of the day

>>133095285
Most people here can recognize the kana at best.

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>>133098677
I haven't watched subs in months, all the good stuff I'm missing out on

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Should one pursue discipline or motivation?

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>>133099205
both, be disciplined as fuck but cherish all the good moments as they come along

>>133099205
I'm doing the ladder and I'm a lot happier
One must also consider self discipline the the pursuit of motivation
Good luck and remember to enjoy

>>133095285
I can read and listen raw without problems in certain contexts but I still have trouble in others. For example, I can follow Owarimonogatari almost fluently, but LoGH is still pretty challenging for me sometimes, even if after over 50 episodes I have already absorbed a lot of technical vocab, which has made it considerably easier.

The question makes it seem like it's black and white but it's a very fuzzy continuum between something where I can feel almost as if I were a native while reading and something which might as well be Chinese, and any given media might drastically change its position on that gradient just by absorbing some specialized vocab.

>>133097540
If you find an unknown word once every couple of pages you're not good, but you can still read it without a dictionary just fine.

>>133099205
They're not mutually exclusive you know? You can give pretty of dedication to the two things without one harming the other.

>>133099255
how many decades are you in

>>133099454
.3

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>>133093368
Want to say a huge thanks to you guys on DJT. Around a week ago I started using the 日本語文法辞典例文全集(cloze) Anki deck for grammar and it has been amazing, far more effective than both the Genki 1 textbook I had done a few chapters of and the grammar guide on the guidetojapanese.org site mentioned in the Guide. Reviewing the sentences and reading the notes alongside watching the videos from http://www.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm has been the best thing to happen with my studies since starting. Reading is a lot easier now. You guys are awesome for making that deck.


>>133093495
>Any way to add images
http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html
You can drag and drop images from any source (internet browser, file folder, etc.) into any singular card by having the Anki browser open and dragging and dropping the image into the image field. Anki will automatically convert the image to .png and add it to the collection.media folder for the user profile.

Images can be bulk added by exporting the deck as a text file (notes in txt) and adding the image file name to the card row in the column the images are located. For example, a deck with the image pic related will automatically appear if the field is formatted as the following:
<img src="龍.png" />
There are ways to automatically fetch images via python scripting and other programmatic solutions but it is beyond the scope of my ken.

>>133099504
I want to be like you.

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>>133099738
七転び八起き

>>133099738
かたじけないお言葉でございます
アノン殿なら自分を信じて頑張れば何の目標にでもたどり着けるでしょう

>>133098677
オレらがごい強！
オレらがこい強！
I don't know what こい/ごい is supposed to be, can someone explain the best word for the context? 濃い？来い？ 'we're the strongest/going to be the best' 'we're coming'?

>>133100666
It's さい

Now go re-learn your kanas

>>133100666
It's 最強. The s is coverd by the subs.

>>133100666
it's さい not ごい
can't you see the part sticking out behind the subs

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>>133100666

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Word of the day: 渡来人

弥生顔と縄文顔、ちゃんとみわけられるんですか
でしたら、美的にどっちがいいと思いますか

この画像だけの話なら個人的には縄文ちゃんがずっと可愛いとおもいます

>Been doing Heisig for about a month now
>Know almost 200 kanji already
>Can pronounce about 10 of them because I knew them from being a huge weeaboo
This doesn't seem like a good idea somehow. Should I read the second volume in parallel or should I just study the readings separately when going through the first volume?

>>133101063
右は男だ

>>133101228
You shouldn't ever have to study readings. They'll naturally stick once you know words that use the kanji.

>>133101228
>This doesn't seem like a good idea somehow.
If you really did only 200 kanji in a month then yeah, it's probably not for you.

>>133100789
>>133100807
>>133100810
Well, that makes sense. Spent the past few hours reading handwritten doujin on pivix no issues but completely looked over the obvious with a decent font. What a complete brainfart. Thanks.

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Early Production here. Only 6-10 more years to go before I can read my favorite chinese novel.

:^)

>>133101329
Did I say ``month''? I meant a day, d00d. I am totally DJT material.

>>133101371
pixiv*
Keeps happening.

>>133101372
>Early pre-production has lasted 2 years
Fuck this chart, and fuck my inability to remember grammar.

>>133101372
What? That's bullshit. I give you one year.

>>133101372
Native level speaking as an adult in 5 years is pretty good if it scales with comprehension skills.

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Grinding vocab sure was worth it for playing eroge!

>>133101496
so much plot

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>>133101228
I did a deck that included other english keywords (whatever kanji dictionary Rikai uses) so that I knew when the Heisig word was nonsense. It also had readings and example vocab in it, but I didn't really use those much while going through it. I'm currently in the process of fading out keywords in the deck in favor of cloze vocab (example of what you'd see on the front once I'm done fading all of them out in pic related).

Also, 200 is way too slow. At this rate, it will take you almost an entire year to finish the first volume, and you'll still come across a lot of kanji that aren't in the first volume while reading. Pick up the pace so that you'll finish it within the next 2-3 months or don't bother doing RTK.

>>133101401
No need to get so defensive, 200 kanji a month is a little over 6 kanji a day, you can do way better considering you don't even do readings with heisig.

>>133101228
heisig is legit awful. do core.

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Just remember, if this pic is not you ALL day EVERY day, dont expect to learn ANY japanese.

>>133100045
unfortunately this is how I feel with my japanese skills

i have improved a lot but in the grand scheme of things it's still not worth shit

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>>133101711
I have to do sports training too, senpai!
You can study quite efficiently if you do 1-2 hours a day.
The important thing is studying every day

>>133101228
>Can pronounce about 10 of them because I knew them from being a huge weeaboo
At the pace you are going why not learn vocab for the kanji you are learning how to write/recall from memory? The payload for RTK stacks higher the faster you work through it due to the nature of the order of introduction. By the time you are past the thousand mark many of the previous RTK radicals are smaller parts of the kanji lessons, meaning that by reviewing later kanji you are also reviewing a lot of earlier kanji. Take advantage of this.

>>133101687
Apples and oranges. Core if for vocabulary whereas RTK is specifically for recognising/ and writing/recalling kanji from memory with faultless accuracy and ease.

>>133101711
Picked up my pace to reading between 1/2 and 1 volume of manga a day alongside reviewing vocab, kanji and grammar in Anki and various other bits and pieces online. Feels like the more you read/study the easier it gets.

Can you read 大分?
Answer: おおいた
Did you pass?

I used to know a good site for japanese anime subs but the site seems to be gone now, anyone know a good place for this? Specifically looking for ika musume subs

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>>133101711
>dat 縦読み

>>133102350
http://kitsunekko.net/

Any other good sites to find natives to speak to besides Skypech?

>>133102374
Thanks babycakes

>>133102398
Lang-8
2ch ronery boards

>>133102398
Hellotalk

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>>133102302
Looks like we got a lotta losers here

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>>133102302
引っかけ問題は禁止

>>133102398
ニコ生

Find a stream that doesn't have too many viewers and start chatting away

>>133102302
If you told me the context of it being a name, maybe
but then I probably would've gone with おおわけ

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>>133102616
>name
Prefecture, rather. You wouldn't misread "rhode island" would you?
>>133102567

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>>133102643
a prefecture name is still a name

>you can misread names in Japanese if you never heard them
nice discovery there mate

>>133102643
The difference there is that "rhode island" is only ever pronounced one way, while 大分 has several valid pronunciations

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>>133102908
>not knowing prefectures
>>133102961
Not like you're limited to one choice. If I had asked, "how do you read 生" you could have thought "せい or なま" instead of just one of those.

>>133102961
>"rhode island" is only ever pronounced one way
if you never heard it being pronounced in your life you could potentially misread it just as well in your head.
Place names and their pronounciation aren't as clear as you think they are in English

>>133093495
it's just a fucking rabbit.

>>133103094
I probably shouldn't have even mentioned Rhode Island, it was just the first state that came to my head.

Point being that you should know prefectures to the point where their names would be recognizable and not just any random name.

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Damn, why does his handwriting sucks so much.

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>>133103307

>>133103307
>that な

>>133103307
Only the れ is truly hideous there. The rest is pretty normal. Nothing I'd call neat, but not particularly bad either. Just normal for somebody who never practiced to have neat handwriting, which is the case for most doujin writers and mangakas apparently.

>>133103307
His れ looks like a ひ

>tfw can't read cursive
I feel useless in the real world.

>>133104177
Well at least it's a familiar feeling, right?

>5:30PM
>so tired I can barely think
>haven't done anki yet today
Help

>>133104312
Amphetamines.

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儂の刃を食らえ！

>>133104312
Take a nap

>>133104312
Try coffee and amphetamines.

>>133104177
I also can't read cursive.

I don't know where you live / what you do but it only becomes inconvenient to me once every few months at most.

It's a dead practice, nobody even learns that shit anymore.

露　霧　霜　霞

>>133104408
>It's a dead practice, nobody even learns that shit anymore.
Is that a thing on the first world or what?
We still use cursive over here daily, ever since you can hold a pen on your hand and scribble.

>>133104177
Cursive English or Japanese? Cause not even Japs can read cursive Japanese

>>133104445
In the USA east coast middle, at least, cursive is very common in the sense that people are lazy fucks and write really fast without lifting their hands, but official cursive with fancy letters is nonexistant. As far as I can tell writing in general has been mostly phased out thanks to computers. At my first job I wrote info on an application sheet and that was that.

>>133103192
It's one of those pics where if you focus on one point you see a different thing

>>133104445
In the part of murrica I'm from, pretty much everyone who still uses cursive is at least 50 or older. Most people don't use it for anything other than their signature, and I'm pretty sure it's not even taught in most elementary schools anymore.

>>133104445
In the US, yes, cursive is kill.

Only 9 states still require it to be taught.

>>133104653
Is writing cursive something to be impressed about?

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What was this?

>>133104885
Sounds like some Mongol Buddhist language, maybe try googling some of the words.

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>>133104885
The heart sutra

>>133104936
>>133104986
Huh infact it is.

SHA RI SHI SHIKI FU I KU KU FU I SHIKI SHIKI
Sariputra, form not different (from) emptiness. Emptiness not different (from) form. Form

SOKU ZE KU KU SOKU ZE SHIKE JU SO GYO SHIKI YAKU
is the emptiness. Emptiness is the form. Sensation, thought, active substance, consciousness, also

What is the difference between "町" and "市"?
Please help.

>>133105238
I always thought it was town and city?

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>>133105238
What is the difference between "Town" and "City"?
Please help.

>>133105271
>>133105299
Not that anon, but... what IS the difference between town and city?

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>>133105334
How the fuck can you not know this?

Lived in Tokyo 8 years, fluent Japanese.
AMA, questions, etc.

>>133105238

You can use 町 as a single word, i.e. in this city...
市 is used in combination with the name of that city. i.e. Chiba-shi.

>>133105359
Let me guess a city is a bigger town?

>>133105238
町 is a sub-section of a 市, as in this location from a random news article: 横浜市中区小港町３丁目
Also see http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1210896277

>>133105439
Over here you are only a City if you have a Cathedral or University.

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>>133105334
Every one knows what a city is, a town "町" would be bigger than a village "村" but smaller than a city "市" if I'm not mistaken
Also this >>133105401 "市" is used at the end of the city's name to denote that is a city (japanese retardation, would be like saying Miami-city), if you want to say something like "I live in a city" without specifying which one, use "都会"

Word of the day: 都会人/City dweller

>>133105439
Yes. By order of size:
City
Town
Village
Hamlet

Now I also saved you the difference between 村 (village) and 町 (town).

>>133105558
Doesn't that mean "in a metro"?

>>133105558
Isn't 都市 more common?

>>133105401
日本の女は本当に「気持ちいい」とか「おかしくなる」とか言いますか？

>>133104430
霰　雹

>>133105443
>町 is a sub-section of a 市
町 is generally on the same hierarchical level as 市, which is municipal level. Look up administrative divisions of Japan.

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>家事をしていた時に火事が起きた。
この知恵遅れ言語クソ食らえ！

>that feel when you see a new word you dont know
>you know the kanji in it
>you guess it's meaning
>you're right
>slowly making it

休日albeit my initial guess for the reading was やすむか which unsurprisingly was not the case

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I just started reading VN's with a text hooker. Though the text hooker is fucking up. It's reading the text of the visual novel wrong. Does /a/ know what's wrong? Pic very related

>>133106145
Can 町 be larger? Can 町 be smaller?

>>133106565
use chiitrans lite

>>133106565
I use Chiitrans Lite, so I'm not sure if this is the problem, but try changing the GetGlyphOutline dropdown to another one.

Or just switch to Chiitrans Lite.

>>133105443
>>133106145
Actually, it bothered me that I knew you were not wrong either so I looked it up. Turns out there are two definitions of 町. One is

>地方自治法による普通地方公共団体の一種。市・村と同格で、合わせて市町村という。他の意味の町と区別するために「行政町」ともいう。[要出典]

i.e. a municipality on the same level as a city, which is the one I talked about, and the other one is

>住所や所在地を表記するのに使われる、市区町村をさらに細分化した区画。「△△市○○町」の類。「西新宿二丁目」、「代官山町」など。

which is the one you mentioned. The former is closer to town, since it's a municipality in itself, while the latter seems closer to our concept of neighborhood, since it's a subdivision of a municipality.

>>133106614
Read above.

>>133106299
今さら同音語にあきれるって
あんた、大丈夫か

>>133106565

>>133106698 Wait nevermind I'm retarded, that's not the problem. No clue then. Some issue with ITH communicating with TA, but I've never used those so I don't know how to fix it. Just use Chiitrans Lite.

>>133106705
>Read above.
That doesn't help because I don't understand 市
I just want two yes/nos

>>133106753
>>133106698
>>133106661

Alright, thanks. But what's Chiitrans Lite. Never heard of it. Does it work the same way?

>>133106764
See >>133106145 then.
>Look up administrative divisions of Japan

You lazy piece of shit.

>>133106820
I don't want to /learn/ anything

>>133106836
Then you won't.

>>133106815
Yeah. Very easy to use. You just start it up, click on the window icon, and click on the game's window and it sorts everything out for you. You can disable all of the excess text it finds except for the dialogue pretty easily with the checkboxes. Just make sure to turn off the translation shit if it has that. I also turned off furigana and set the theme to "plain text" so I don't build bad habits of reading from the text hooker (esp since the way it parses stuff is sometimes wrong)

>>133106959
Can it be larger? Can it be smaller?

>>133106565
>http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php/36807-AGTH-text-extraction-tool-for-games-translation/page620
ITH 3.0 can hook the text perfectly.
If you have any problem with version 3.0 (Avast, for example), please use this code with ITH 2.3.

/HW4*0@8FBD0:erect.exe

>>133106350
日 is almost never read as か when not used as a counter (ふつか, みっか, etc...). The only exception I can think of is 晦日, but even that is just an alternative writing for 三十日 so the みそ in みそか is probably just some remnant of some old pronunciation of 三十. みと is pretty close to みそ after all.

>>133106986
I don't know, look it up and tell me.

>>133106350
>pretend you know the kanji
>don't even know the difference between onyomi and kunyomi
You're never going to make it.

>>133107172
春日 (かすが).

>>133107220
I don't want to /learn/ anything.

>>133106992
>>133106967

thanks, I think I got it figured out now. I'll test out chiitrans lite and see what works best for me

>>133107250
>>133106959

>>133107264
>>133106986

>>133107223
I'm sticking to learning the readings through vocabulary and just learn th emeanings the old fashioned way. Instead of trying to cram in every single reading into my head.

>>133107172
I see, thanks.

>>133107225
それは当て字だからノーカウント

>>133107313
Protip, 休む is how you write やすむ so the kun'yomi of the kanji by itself is technically やす not やすむ. This is not an infallible rule though, as the okurigana often get "eaten" into the kanji in common compound words:

取り　＋　引き　＝　取り引き　＝　取引

What's the Japanese porn term for nymphomaniac? Or better yet corruption (in a sexual sense)

>>133107701
>corruption (in a sexual sense)
おかしくなるぅ～

>>133107748
I was thinking more a term I can search for on sukubei n shit, like what would be in a jav title

>>133107775
Pretty sure he's well aware bud, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>133107600
He's sticking to remaining ignorant so don't try to protip him, he's not going to pay attention.

>>133107811
>>133107748
Woah sorry I figured that was more just what they'd say in such a video but yeah got some gd leads with that thanks niggaz

>>133107841
He seems pretty eager to learn to me. You on the other hand sound like you just want to start shit. In fact, if you're actually suggesting him to learn the readings individually just kill yourself.

>>133107901
I'm not suggesting to learn all reading since that's would be dumb, but learning what the fuck onyomi and kunyomi are and how they work is necessary to get anywhere.

雲
曇る

Was two kanji really necessary for that shit

>>133107997
>onyomi and kunyomi
What are these again?

>>133108135
I don't know why you're whining, it's literally the most obvious kanji ever. The sun going behind the clouds? Looks like it just got cloudy, retard.

>>133108135
>cloud
>cloudiness
Wow, were two words really necessary for this shit? Why can't we all just say "it sure is cloud today"? Isn't it obvious that we don't mean that everything is cloud?

>>133108194
Not saying it's some kind of massive challenge whenever I encounter either of those, just that it's retarded that it's a thing

Also if you wanna get nitpicky 曇 is fucking aids to write, fuck kanji with a million horizontal lines

>>133108135
It's not like they made up the kanji for the words. The Chinese had the two kanji with two different meanings and they adopted them accordingly.

>>133108266
>Cloud-iness
>雲-る

>Kluhrdflurd
>曇る

A better comparison

>>133107997
kun-yomi are when you're friendly with someone
and onyomi are when you're trying to be polite

right ?

>>133108269
why don't you just kill yourself retard. Japanese doesn't need this level of incompetence.

>>133108269
In terms of how many similar kanji there are, and how logical the progression is in those 2, I honestly can't see why anyone would bitch.

>>133108339
I love how you didn't realise that "-iness" is basically equivalent to strapping a 日 on the top of the kanji.

Spare me of your greentexts but if someone is going to have focused study on the kanji itself, what is the most efficient way to go about that? The things I'm deciding between are either Heisig or a kanji-by-frequency deck I have, but there's also KD too if that's better. What I think Heisig has going for it is the more structured-for-learning order in which it introduces the kanji and also clearly presenting the radicals. But, I've never felt comfortable using the mnemonics he or other people have presented and I've heard that the keywords sometimes aren't really in tune with the actual meaning of the kanji, even if the keyword and mnemonic supposedly fade away over time. The frequency deck presumably has a more structured-for-use order to it (even if it's just newspapers or something) and has more and perhaps more accurate actual meanings for the kanji, and also gives the readings for them (iirc Heisig warned against learning the kanji and the reading at the same time, but I could obviously just gloss over the reading in the deck if that's the case).
Advice?

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>>133108390
Sure

>>133108404
Not bitching obviously no one's going to be confused by that it's just unnecessary and doesn't fit in with the vast majority of other ideas in japanese that have related nouns and verbs represented with the same character just in different formats

>>133108135
cloud
to cloudy

to cloud
cloudy

>>133108269
氷　凍る
暑い　熱い
暖かい　温かい
硬い　堅い　固い　難い
変わる　替わる　代わる　換わる
Have a nice day.

>>133108519
取る 摂る 執る 採る 捕る 撮る

helpful post gets >>133107600 doubles shiposter >>133107841 does not
We should take this as a lesson and strive to be better people

>>133108468
It's literally the same character. It's just got a sun on the fucking top. There are hundreds of far more egregious exceptions that you could be whining about, yet you chose what I'd consider to be one of the simplest around.

Here's one, why don't people use 泪, a very logical kanji showing both the eyes and water, for tears, and instead choose to use 涙, a kanji that combines return and water? Go cry over that one.

>>133108419
If you're too pussy to just learn radicals and then learn vocab then go with KD.
Mnemonics are short and easy to remember, even if they're dumb as shit they're stick with you because of that, KD includes readings in its mnemonics, which helps a bit, and there's plenty of useful example vocab on each card.

Heisig is way too detached from the actual subject to be useful, and if you want to go with newspaper frequency stuff just do optimized core6k instead.

>>133108596

盗る

>>133108419
>what is the most efficient way
There is no best way to learn kanji. You just need to connect the kanji with its readings, how you do that is up to yourself

I personally found doing vocab worked pretty well for me

>>133108419
You can make your own mnemonics, in fact that's what Heisig recommends. The stories are only there for the 400 or so first kanji, so that people who don't know how mnemonics work can figure it out. KD is cool, if you like their mnemonics. Personally I don't feel that learning readings with kanji will be worth the effort, because personally I learned kanji with RTK and the readings just stuck after learning enough vocab.

>>133103307
He was shitfaced when he made thos videos.

Jesus DJT at American peak times is brutal

>>133108725
You mean "western european kids finally get on the computer"

>>133103307
Digit dexterity tends to drop when you're pissed.

>>133104885
>>133104986
>>133105022
いもうとのかいせつがひつよう？

>>133104408
>It's a dead practice
This nigger right here has clearly never held a job in his life. It's called handwriting and people write things down on paper all the damn time. "cursive" is just how a lot of people normally write, or in all capital letters.

>>133108725
You mean east asians waking up

>>133108596
These are mostly pretty well defined and appear in other compounds to help you out. e.g., 摂取, 採取, 撮影, 執行. There are challenging things in Japanese but memorizing kanji differences isn't all that hard. At worst it's time consuming.

>Buy Animal Crossing figuring it would be easy since it's a children's game with ordinary SOL dialogue and has furigana
>takaes me all day to get through the conversation with the cat on the train in the beginning

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>>133103307

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>>133104986

>>133108762
>You mean "western european kids finally get on the computer"
It's 1:46 in central europe, no kid wakes up at this hour to get on the PC

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>>133108881
私の好きな人は私の嫁だよ。

>>133106565
I use Visual Novel Reader but haven't had experience with a range of VNs. It works nicely for the most part.

>>133108942
Good.

>>133108881
Anon, I really didn't need to feel this tfw no gf right now.

>>133108269
>Also if you wanna get nitpicky 曇 is fucking aids to write, fuck kanji with a million horizontal lines
After working through RTK and keeping up with the reps in Anki for a while I rarely think about kanji in terms of "lines" and just write it, because most kanji take a few seconds at most to write. If you asked me how many lines/strokes it has I would have to stop and count them because it honestly never comes to mind. Maybe some sort of radical or 部首 based system of study could make kanji less fickle for you?

>>133108419
Honestly, it makes little to no fucking difference. Any retard can learn the kanji with any anki deck if he applies himself and a fancy book or website won't speed things up or make things that much easier for him. Don't delude yourself to thinking any of that has importance compared to your self-discipline. A disciplined faggot who builds his own jouyou deck little by little based on a wikipedia article will do better than a lazy faggot who's looking for the ideal method to minimize his effort as much as possible.

>there's also KD too if that's better
Use it for learning order if you want, but don't believe a word he says.

>I've never felt comfortable using the mnemonics he or other people have presented
Make up your own mnemonics?

>I've heard that the keywords sometimes aren't really in tune with the actual meaning of the kanji
True, but it doesn't matter much. For kanji with meaning more complex than "cat" they're more like training wheels.

Learn by frequency if you want to get into reading as soon as possible (I did that, shit worked great, but I turned from kanji to vocab after a while), learn by whatever order you're comfortable with if you just want to learn them all first. It doesn't matter in the end what you pick. So long as you have some common sense, the one you feel most comfortable with is the best one since the only real risk here is you giving up midway. Personally I couldn't deal with learning 20 kanji in a row all containing the same radical because I confused them all, so KD and RTK were not for me. All roads lead to Rome in the end so long as you keep walking, and the real battle only starts when you're past this phase and reading anyway, so this really doesn't matter.

I'll say it one more time for emphasis. It doesn't fucking matter. Make your choice without worrying too much over optimizing your leaning and don't be afraid to change methods if you feel like it.

Just don't learn readings, that's a waste of time.

>>133109114
Think it's more about the physical difficulty of drawing fuck tones of horizontal lines in a small space rather than the way you think about it

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>>133104399

How do you motivate yourself to practice writing?

Even if you don't give a shit about drawing the kanji properly (or at all), writing is going to help with remembering meaning.

But fuck, I probably write fewer than two sentences per day in English. I get bored two strokes into the first kanji.

>>133109528
do you want to learn or not you lazy fag?
Nobody will make you do it, so you better make yourself do it.

jesus christ man

>>133109528
Try watching anime and writing down everything a certain character says

>>133109812
Woah, slow down. I'm still learning basic kanji.

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~150 episodes to go

>>133109528
>Even if you don't give a shit about drawing the kanji properly (or at all), writing is going to help with remembering meaning.
I'm not sure. I used to think that and write every new kanji learn a bunch of times but it took me way too much time, once I stopped writing I was able to learn 30 kanji instead of 10 daily in the same amount of time and it had zero effect on my retention.
I think I will pick writing practice back up once I'm actually good at Japanese and can write coherent sentences instead of random kanji.

>>133107701
色情狂

>over 2x my normal review amount due two days from now

w-what did I do

>>133111075
You didn't install load balancer.

>7 agains left
>hit space
>20 new cards 7 agains 107 reps
>look at the clock
>3 fucking AM

Fuck this shit, I'm out

>>133111102
Are there people who use load balancer while believing that you'll forget everything if you miss a single day of reps?

>>133111644
I use load balancer knowing that if I miss a day of reps it's going to make the demileeches pile up on the same target date

>>133111615
Go raise your rep cap to 9999

I'm spiralling into job search depression

Studying Japanese is the only thing keeping me from drinking

>>133111894
Cool, this isn't your blog though.

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Translating some hentai stuff.
Anyone know what the second word in the image means ? It might be slurred speech but Idk.

じゅわって

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>>133111894
自殺した方がいいと思う

>>133112702
Why the fuck would you crop out the lewd and then spoiler it?
You got my hopes up for nothing.

>>133112702
Are they on a phone?

>>133112702
It's onomatopoeia, as in "It's making a sound like じゅわ". Frankly, you really shouldn't be translating things until you have a much better grasp over the language (unless you're just translating for your own personal use, which is cool).

>>133112702
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/actionclause

>>133111894
The solution is to not become a wage slave then.

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I can't figure it out. What does this say? I can only make out ホ？？あります

>>133113954
Not everyone has rich parents willing to allow their children to age without growing up. No work, no money; no money, no food, shelter; death.

Can you survive without food or shelter?

>>133114823
Feign schizophrenia. Free drugs to sell on the black market, free housing and money.

>>133114879
>Free drugs
Depends where you live. Most countries that aren't America aren't the sort of places that hand out drugs like candy as an attempt to fix social problems. In most western nations schizophrenia comes with a diagnosis procedure a person can't fake.

>>133114936
>In most western nations schizophrenia comes with a diagnosis procedure a person can't fake.
And what would that be?

>>133114974
Things you can't fake, including long term medical history checks, blood work, neurological examinations, behavioural analysis. You can't just walk into see a GP and act "mental". Do you honestly think the following assessments from the psychologist and psychiatrist are going to be a matter of putting on an act and hoping they will see through it? There are procedures in place to prevent this as the associated diagnosis involves therapy and medication profiles that are dangerous is misdiagnosed.

>>133115129
>blood work, neurological examinations
>schizophrenia
Oh wait, he's serious
hahahahahahaha

>>133115167
Yes, I'm serious. Where do you live?

>>133114936
>In most western nations schizophrenia comes with a diagnosis procedure a person can't fake.
Not sure about that, but here all you get with schizophrenia diagnosis is being locked up in a mental institution for some years. Not the best way to avoid getting a job, if you ask me.

>>133115200
There are no reliable neurological markers for schizophrenia. There are things that show up in schizophrenics, but lacking them does not make someone not a schizophrenic.

Bloodwork is essentially not used.

Unless you're on the cutting edge of schizo research and know more than me, you don't know what you're talking about.

>>133115296
>but here all you get with schizophrenia diagnosis is being locked up in a mental institution for some years
Where on earth do you live?

>>133115296
>but here all you get with schizophrenia diagnosis is being locked up in a mental institution for some years
Where on earth do you live?

>>133115323
>There are no reliable neurological markers for schizophrenia.
There are. Hell, this is 10 years old:
http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/001395.html#
>you don't know what you're talking about.
I do. Do you have experience with diagnosis protocol in your country?

>>133114747
○○

>>133115376
>There are. Hell, this is 10 years old:
Still in research to this very year. Not used in practice. I said what I said how I said it for a reason.

That's blood, by the way, not "neurological makers". Did you even read what you found?

>I do. Do you have experience with diagnosis protocol in your country?
Yes, do you? Are you a practitioner?

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This image relates to the "We are being forced!" Gundam meme and the Japanese Angband fork, Hengband. I can't make out what the first kanji is supposed to be through the jpeg artifacts. I've used both tineye and GRIS and can't find any better-quality version of the image.

Can anybody tell me what the 「◯」 in 「ダンジョンに◯ることを強いられているんだ！」 is? I can make out a 氵radical on the left and it looks like there might also be a 口 on the lower-right, but I'm not sure.

>>133115382
You mean they really are circles? I don't know how I'd guess what the word means.

https://dayjaby.wordpress.com/

Has anybody been reading this too? It has some great ways at memorizing words and all.

>>133115492
潜る

use radicals next time, the さんずいへん is really obvious

>>133115522
They're used as censors

ho****

>>133115540
I just realized what it was. ホクロ
Seems unnecessary to censor that though but then again they love doing things for fun.

>>133115529
I tried. Couldn't find it. Thanks, though -- "dive" makes sense in the context of roguelikes, especially Angband-style ones.

>>133115624
Maybe I was just more patient back when I had to do this a lot, but if you go to jisho.org/#radical it's not hard to run through the list of 40 or so and figure out which one it might be. Whatever, though, I will agree that it's hard to read in that font.

>>133115581
It's not even censored, it says ホクロ. It's just the handwriting. Not the guy who answered, but this is why you provide the full picture with context rather than cutting it down to the bare minimum.

>>133115376>>133115328
>Where on earth do you live?
I decent place, probably.
Locking up psychos instead of giving them free money and drugs so they can sit on their ass and write about their delusions on tumblr sounds like a decent idea to me.

>>133115947
I thought America closed down all its mental health places and made all its psychos homeless. Something must not be true here.

>>133116076
It just doesn't go out of its way to help people, then when they're homeless after fucking up their lives, is rigged against them being able to get help.

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Just did the J-CAT. Been studying for 7 months.

Is this really between N3-N2? I feel like I could do close to jack shit with this level of knowledge if I was in Japan.

>writing practice

I'm finding that it's most helpful when you know the word but the kanji just doesn't want to stick, especially in cases where you keep confusing it with other similar kanji. For example, I've known the word 逮捕 for forever, but I kept confusing it with 健康. I wrote all kanji in both a dozen times or so, and it wasn't long after that it sunk in that 捕 refers to capture. I haven't confused the two since.

On the flip side, when it comes to words that you're completely unfamiliar with, it's more productive to just continue exposing yourself to the word. Otherwise, you'll just get "Oh hey, it's that kanji that I wrote. What did it mean and how did you pronounce it, again?"

Of course, this is just in regards to typed Japanese. If you're hoping to write, you need to write. Writing also helps with recognizing hand-written and heavily stylized Japanese.

>>133116189
>I feel like I could do close to jack shit with this level of knowledge if I was in Japan.
Good because N3 is below usable.

N2 is the bare minimum of fluency but not in all situations, only common ones.

>>133116189

Imagine that foreign waiter that can just barely explain the menu (kinda; you only catch half of it; you might need to find someone who's better at English), and understand basic shit like when you ask him for the check, where the bathroom is, or drink refills. He can also handle simple things like going to the bank to deposit a check or the grocery store. If you try to talk with him, he just laughs and smiles cluelessly.

That's N3. It's basically the absolute bare minimum that you need in order to do much of anything.

>>133116603
That's N2 too. Even N1 if they haven't practiced speaking a lot. Obviously the higher you go the easier it is for them to talk

>>133116189
>>133116293
>>133116603
>>133116750
I'm 5 months in and I doubt I'm N4 ;_;

>>133116841
がんばって！

>>133115703
Just think of it as handwriting reading practice.

>>133117045
Well, everything is about context. Just knowing that they're pointing to a person makes a massive difference in the possibilities. It's like cutting a sound file down to the single word you can't hear, it can actually make it much harder to tell what they're saying.

>>133116750
>n2 even n1
I dont think im even N2 yet but ill agree slightly on that point. But N1 level and still having a decent amount of trouble communicating I dont believe.

>>133116293

> Good because N3 is below usable.

Yeah I guess that sounds about right. I think I actually saw a N2 listening problem about asking where to take a shit once.

Was just a bit surprised because I didn't think N3 was this worthless. I know people that took 8 university Japanese classes to get N3 and they focused on actual N3 vocab and not random words from fantasy LNs and moeges.

>>133117195
If you don't actually use the language it's hard to suddenly start speaking. You need to actually use it to get used to the speed at which you have to come up with shit to say

>>133117234
Learning to read is more useful than grinding vocab. If you know how to read something without needing to check a dictionary every page, even if that thing is a trashy LN or whatever, you'll have no problem with N1.

On the other hand, you've got people with a dozen different 完全マスター books who are ecstatic when they pass N2 with 120/180.

>>133117234
Learning a language in university is worthless compared to self-study, yes.

For Chrome users looking to read Japanese, the default font is shit, use this to replace it with the superior メイリオ:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/部分強制メイリオちゃん/kmjcmncjhdnaealenhoohllicfkdojpb

Which kanji is your vice djt
no matter how many times you see it you can't remember either readings and meaning

軒

>>133116750

I'm probably between N3 and N2, and I feel like one of those waiters.

>トイレはどこですか？
>左にいって廊下に進んで。トイレは右側にいるんです。

Maybe not the prettiest, but I'm sure that they'd get it.

Of course, if a Japanese person started trying to have a conversation with me, the odds that I'd be completely lost are high.

>>133117711

* ある

Yep, like I said, one of those waters.

>>133117711
>いる
人はいる。
物はある。

>>133117743

* waiters, fuck.

>>133117282
Fair enough

>>133117765

You know what? I just realized I fucking love いる/ある. No fucking be/is/are/was shit. No fucking je suis/tu es/il est shit. It's so fucking simple.

>>133117283
>If you know how to read something without needing to check a dictionary every page, even if that thing is a trashy LN or whatever, you'll have no problem with N1.
I can read many LNs and VNs without checking a dictionary but I probably would fail the N1. Looking at this:
http://www.tanos.co.uk/jlpt/jlpt1/grammar/
Uh... well I actually know more then I expected, but like まじき... きらいがある... I'd probably misunderstand those. Plus I saw a N1 excerpt talking about elderly people returning to jobs or something and the vocab tripped me up enough that I couldn't answer the questions (protip: LNs don't tend to cover elderly work force economics).

Given another year or of reading (esp if I read more news articles) then I'm sure I'll be able to pass the N1 but there's actually a point where you develop a bubble of Japanese knowledge that lets you skate through LNs and VNs (esp. sol) while still being just enough ignorant of "real world" Japanese that you'd fail the N1. Or, maybe I'd pass it and I'm just underestimating myself. Who knows.

>>133118442
You only need a bit over half correct to pass the test so it's not actually that difficult to pass

>>133118647
How do people take this thing seriously with standards that low?

>>133118764
Because employers ask for your score too.

>>133118388
>fucking be/is/are/was shit
?

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3 months in: "I can't wait to be on the right side"
6 months in: "Haha I can sorta relate but both are hard"
10-16 months in: "Holy shit, so true."
16-24 months in: "W-why do I still relate to this? Aren't I getting better?"
24+ months in: "When will this hell end?!"

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The Core deck says that the word 葉 (は) can mean either leaf or needle, but Jisho only lists it as meaning leaf (though on the page for the kanji itself, not the word, the meaning of needle is listed).

Which one is correct? Does the word 葉 (は) mean needle, or does only the kanji carry that meaning?

>>133119196
What are those two pages from?

>>133119205
"leaf or needle" is a generalization of the wishwashy abstract concept behind it

Do some digging into the etymology of the character for a proper understanding

>>133119235
Right: Oreimo
Left: Legend of Galactic Heroes

>>133119205
I've only come across 葉っぱ while reading

>>133119237
>Do some digging into the etymology of the character for a proper understanding
I'm not interested in the character, just the word. Can は mean needle, or does it only mean leaf?

>>133102302
I added that to Anki a couple weeks ago. Suck my cock.

>>133119307
Needle as in pine needle

>>133119316
What a coincidence, I too just started learning the prefectures.

>>133110285
Do you feel any improvement after watching 600+ episodes?

>>133119263
６４だよ。おにいちゃん

>>133117765
お前はある。

こにちわせｍぱい

>>133119397
I now know how to spell 密室殺人

>>133119530
>ｍ

>>133119568
baka desu senpai

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>mfw time to do reps

>>133117679
The only problem similar to that to me is confusing お世話 and お世辞, every fucking time.

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Rate my autism.

>>133120105
iktf
>mess up a bunch of cards you should've known well right at the beginning
>lose the will to continue

>>133120182
>imgur filename
Hello reddit.

>>133120242
It's just a screenshot program, sorry I triggered you m8.

>>133117711>>133116750
I don't think you guys should worry much about that shit.
There are two ways for you to go to Japan:
as an tourist or an English teacher, in which case you don't need to know any Japanese, or find a real job there, for which you need to be fluent.
You don't need to concern yourself on which point between zero knowledge and fluency you currently are because it's totally useless until you're fluent.

>>133120324

>What is a work visa?

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>>133120208
I started my mining deck over a year ago, and sometimes I see words that I know I added on like, the first week. I'm getting 把握 wrong and it's been in my anki deck for over a WHOLE YEAR. So, at this point I've just given up, if I get cards wrong in anki that's just life, my spirit is broken. I will just make up for it by reading a lot. and hope it all sorts itself out.
>>133120324
Very wise. I see all these people, especially on /r/learnjapanese, talking about how they have "N3" listening or some such. What the heck does that even mean? Do you understand when people talk to you? If not there's a problem, if so you know Japanese. No idea why people get caught up in their "level" when all that matters is proficiency.

>>133120402
To get work visa for Japan you need to find an employer that will make a certificate of eligibility for you, m8. Good luck remotely finding an employer with N3 nihongo.

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Considering getting a Vita for Vita/PS4 Japan exclusive PS-only games & remote play for the PS4, but the games for the Vita seem somewhat expensive considering you have to buy PSN point cards since you can't use a US credit card with JP PSN (as far as I'm aware). Does anyone here have one? If so, is it worth getting for JP Vita / PS4 exclusives?

>>133120491
>is it worth getting for JP Vita exclusives?
Fuck yeah it is. Don't know about PS4, though.
You always can buy physical copies and don't bother with PSN, the only stuff exclusive to PSN is western indie shit and some ports of Touhou games, you can play all of those on PC.

>>133120491
>If so, is it worth getting for JP Vita / PS4 exclusives?
If you like JRPGs you'll find a lot of good stuff, if you're a weeb it's practically must have, however as you say it's very expensive (Japanese seem to have way less of a "sales culture" than the west) so really it's 100% up to your money situation. I was planning to spend $400 on like 5-10 games (importing bullet girls for like $90... esh) before I just quit and moved to PSP for rpgs (hacked and easy to play).

>>133120587
>You always can buy physical copies
And revel in those stupid high import costs.

>>133120597
>Japanese seem to have way less of a "sales culture" than the west
Japanese buy used if they want their shit cheap. Used Vita games are about 2000-4000 yen.

>>133120657
I'm sure, I was talking from the perspective of someone using PSN though (and someone who is used to steam sales I suppose)

>>133120472

I don't think that either one of us are planning on going to Japan right now, if he's even planning on going at all. It's going to be another three years until I even legally qualify for a work visa in Japan. You need to have a relevant bachelors or ten years' experience in your field. The conversation is just for conversation's sake.

Also, I remember hearing that some employers consider it. These are probably English-dominated environments, for example, a US embassy or as a cook in a restaurant specializing in western food. It'd be slightly helpful to have someone who could speak any Japanese at all, just in case an actual fluent speaker wasn't immediately available.

>>133120644
Well, that sounds like a problem specific to your country since for me the entire cost of importing some games is like $10 for delivery, which is comparable to a markup on a 1万　PSN card.

>>133120587
>You always can buy physical copies
Do the import costs make it a decent amount more expensive than buying digital? Or is it cheaper / around the same price if I just try to buy used? I've never really been a buyfag when it comes to physical Japanese media, so I'm not sure how complicated/expensive shipping is or what sites are best to buy from.

>>133120597
Cheers. A lot of the games for PS4 and Vita look very enticing, but the pricing and how much of a headache buying/importing looks to be is turning me away a bit.

>>133120781
More a problem of being poor as hell.

So aside from already/anymore, what does もう mean?

I see it used in a shit ton of other uses like
>もう一人のアノン
>the other anon

Sometimes I just see it used in between sentences where I have no idea what the meaning is

>>133120745
>You need to have a relevant bachelors or ten years' experience in your field.
That's for special treatment highly skilled worker visa, if you find an employer that will invite you it's not really mandatory.
But finding employment in another country is a real pain in the ass for sure.

>>133120926
>Do the import costs make it a decent amount more expensive than buying digital?
Depends on where you live, unless your country's customs tax out the ass on overseas purchases the shipping costs for video games are dirt cheap since the packages are small and light.

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So what compelling content did you consume today?

I watched around 20 episodes of conan and now it's time to sleep

>>133120491
what's with nips and their obsession to make everything a loan word

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>4chanは誰でも気軽に参加できます。しかし、このサイトでの争いごとはやめてください。争いはみんなの雰囲気を悪くするだけです。それさえ守っていただけるならば是非友達に教えてあげてください。日本人も英語を使うならば同じようにに歓迎します。
From the 4chan Japanese introduction (which I can finally read)

>>133121537
>同じようにに歓迎します
>にに

>>133121585
>a typo has existed in the Japanese introduction for like 5 years and no one has pointed it out until now
Nice

>>133121585
Someone ought to tweet that to our japanese overlord.

Is 4chan being really slow at opening images for everyone?

That Arino picture above took like a good 10 seconds to load

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>>133121749

>>133121749
>cropping the title off
Way to be a dick, guy.

>>133121777
It's pretty much the most important VN release of the decade. Wonder what could it be.

>>133121803
You actually went through effort to remove the title. That makes you a dick.

>>133121777
Sakura no Uta.

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>>133121851
That's how I play on my laptop screen if I also want to keep the taskbar. So no, I didn't do it on purpose.

Not everyone is evil person out to get you.

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>>133121749
>>133121773
>mfw can read that

What does it mean when a word or sentence is enclosed like so (音楽が大好き) in written Japanese? Is it functioning like a quotation?

>>133121987
追加情報

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>>133121904
Protip: If you download sharex, you can take screenshots like pic related with a single button press (saved to a screenshot folder, cropping done for you (i.e. just the game screen), title and time in filename for later reference, etc), which is pretty awesome if you play a lot of VNs, I just idly press prtscrn whenever something amusing comes up and end up with hundreds of screenshots per game which I like to go through later and smile at.

>>133121904
You know you can move that to the side right?