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Was it fair for Red to use 6 pokemon when gym leaders only used 2-4?

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Was it fair for Red to use 6 pokemon when gym leaders only used 2-4?
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>>133068370
he isn't even canon
who cares
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>>133068370
Nigga you could do that shit in the games too I dont see why not
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>>133068477
it's not fair in the games either
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>>133068370
One of the two scenarios is true:

>OP knows full well that the anime stated that trainers battling gym leaders would use the same amount of pokemon, ex: 2v2

or

>OP hasn't seen the anime is posting out of ignorance
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>>133068564
Not fair but allowed. Niggas should stand up for themselves.
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>>133068601
Pokemon Origins is more accurate to the games and gym battles work the same as in the games. The challenger is allowed to use his full party while the gym leader uses only 2-4
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>>133068564
>I've never played pokemon.

Except if you fight any gym leader after the E4 their teams are stacked.
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>>133068749

>take down vs rock type pokemon
>ryhorn using special moves

I thought this was supposed to be like the games
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>>133068749
cont'd
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>>133068370
>Red Doesnt have a Gyarados
Faggot.
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>>133068770
so?
that doesn't change the fact that your first battle against a gym leader is unfair
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>>133068370
>origins
>canon

He didn't get the National Pokedex yet and managed to mega evolve Charizard.
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Gym leaders are suppose to be beaten. How do you suppose a bunch of children are suppose to beat an experienced professional?
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>>133070022
ash does it all the time
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>>133070047
how many leagues has he won?
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>>133068370
It's probably more unfair that the gym leaders are restricted to one or two type themes so that any preschooler who knows how to play rock paper scissors can just whoop their ass in one shot
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>>133070079
only 1, and that's another problem
>ash is a great trainer though the entire series but always ends up losing in the league
>red was an awful trainer though his entire series and somehow managed to win the league
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>>133068899
It's too bad the actual pokemon anime is not allowed to get this violent.
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>>133070249
Didn't the last guy he lost to have an entire team of legendaries?
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>>133068477
>Needing more than ONE pokemon to defeat a gym leader.

Just get proper type advantage you can fuck them easy. With proper planning, you can have a three Pokemon team that can handle nearly every situation.
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Gym leader sets the rules you play by, if they want to limit themselves then so be it. Besides gym leaders always have unlimited healing and items and generally there monsters are a few levels higher than any on your team.

>>133070080

Not really, their gyms are based off of whatever types there are. All the battles would be the same if they had different types.

In the games:
Gym leaders are there to teach you about types
E4 is there to teach you dual types
Your rival is there to go all out

In the anime:
Gym leaders are there to teach you about types
Tournament is there to go all out
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>>133070286
there was literally nothing violent in that webm
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>>133068370
Gym leaders are supposed to test challengers. That's the point of the badges, only those good enough to be deemed worthy by 8 gym leaders get to participate in the league.

Both the games AND the anime had to start mentioning that Gym leaders use different Pokemon depending on how many badges the challenger has because retards would constantly bitch about the scaling difficulty being unrealistic.
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>>133068370
I liked how the gym leaders chose their Mons based on how experienced the trainer they're fighting is. Put a whole new perspective on how that shit works in that world.

They should have axed Ash and rebooted the whole franchise with something exactly like Origins.
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>>133070445
I guess you could say he croaked
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>>133070620
>They should have axed Ash and rebooted the whole franchise with something exactly like Origins.
hell no
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>>133070620
That shit is not new to Origins, it's been mentioned in both the games and the anime multiple times. Stop being new.
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>>133070354
That was two arcs ago. Took out "only" two legendaries, so who knows what else Tobias had.

Last time around he lost to a retard, or so I've heard. Wasn't paying much attention to the anime at the time.
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>>133070620

We have been asking for that for along time

I don't think they could get rid of him if they wanted to
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>>133070764
Most people prefer to pretend BW didn't exist.
XY Ash is, skill-wise, a proper continuation of DP Ash. BW Ash was a weird step down that made no sense continuity-wise.
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>>133070858
It's Pikachu, man.

You can't drop the series mascot.
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>>133070445
RRREEEEEeeeeeeee~~~
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>>133070764

He loses when he shouldn't and wins when it doesn't matter
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>>133070764
BW was literal cancer and I'm glad the writers are ignoring it completely now
>more childish artstyle. Everything is rounder and less detailed
>bad animation even by pokemon's standards
>ash went from being a great trainer in sinnoh to being a complete retard in unova and then back to being great in kalos. Unova felt out of place
>tried to mimic the gen 1 anime but failed miserably
>ash's rival is cocky for no reason even though he gets his ass kicked in almost every tournament. He loses in the first round of the pokemon league
>ash doesn't win a single competition before the league, by the end of the series he had more loses than wins
>ash lost to someone even dumber than him. I mean someone who thought the unova league would take place in johto
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>>133070858
Only people that don't actually watch the anime "ask for that". There's no logic in fixing something that's not broken.
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>>133070932
>using badly mistranslated shitsubs as an argument
Yeah no.
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>>133070858
Mei is perfect

>>133070939
I tried to watch BW episodes, it was like the ZeXal of YGO
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>>133070906

Red had a pikachu and besides there are the three starters that are way better
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>>133071044
I don't remember Origins Red having a Pikachu
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>>133071035

#1 Waifu
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>>133071090
I assume it's some Specialfag that lumps every "Red" together
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>>133071090
He gets one after the league, there's a quick scene that gives spotlight to it when he's being captured. But, yes, it wasn't relevant.
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>>133071090
>>133071131
origins red caught all 151 so he had a pikachu at some point (now a raichu)
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>>133068370
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posting best song from Origins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5s4VYC9xR4
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>>133071192

Meanwhile Ash's catch rate is still single digits in all regions
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>>133070858
>replace beloved main character of highly popular show because some murricans that don't actually watch it decided it's a meme to not like the fact that he's still the protag
This is a retarded suggestion and you know it.
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>>133071353
red only caught 151 because that was his goal
ash doesn't care about catching all pokemon
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>>133071450
>thinks shitty American dub anime blocks belong on /a/
>doesn't think anime belongs on /a/

Go back to your /co/ dub general, underage.
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>>133071396

Or training his pokemon either
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>>133071567
You couldn't make it any more clear you haven't seen either the regular anime OR Origins, shitposter-kun
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>>133070941
Most people who stop watching the anime do it because of that. It's the catch. Pokemon lasts forever while the target audience keeps growing up and getting replaced.
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>>133070858
Man, they really butchered May. Her oppai were a defining part of her and they just cut them off.
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>>133071567
although it's not seen too often in the anime, it's heavily implied that he spends most of the time between episodes training hard
he also has the strongest bonds with his pokemon
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>>133071693

Pretty much this

The series is great for a while when you start watching it then as time goes on you move on with something else.
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>>133071693
And those people wouldn't suddenly start watching again and double the viewership if ash got replaced by Ash-with-a-different-voice-and-a-different-hat.

It's like if people that don't like Garfield would whine about how Garfield needs to be written out and replaced by a hamster. It would just hurts your fanbase by "pandering" to the comments from some random autists outside it.
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>>133069468
How the fuck is the first battle unfair?
You can face him with 6 metapods using harden, or 6 weedles using string shot, or 6 ratatas using leer. All of these are winning strategies.
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fair would be if the challenger had to use the same amount of pokemon as the gym leader
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>>133071756

I always thought people where joking when they said May was stacked...

Boy was I wrong
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>>133072029
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>>133072029
>watching the dub
Holy shit nigger what are you doing?
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>>133072107
most AG episodes aren't subbed
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>>133072147
Most AG episodes aren't good.
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>>133068370
Leveling up 2 or 4 pokemons is easier
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>>133072147
That one is.

And Pokemon isn't that hard to follow raw.
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>>133072107

Too young at the time, I began watching subs right around the 8th movie. Better late than never, I re-watched everything that I saw as dubbed and made up for it.

Also
You will never be embraced in her bosom
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>>133071998

What are you talking about?

Fair would be getting a pity badge after losing but completing some inane task instead
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>>133072415
>Fair would be getting a pity badge after losing but completing some inane task instead
that has even happened to red in pokespe and no one complains about that
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BW would have been good if they used fucking Hilda instead of Iris. Literally the best pokegirl they ever created and they dont even touch her.
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>>133072507
too old
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>>133072507

They had two girls from BW to choose from and picked neither. I feel they may not have liked BW that much
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>>133072637
they made serena younger in the anime, they could've done the same thing with hilda

though honestly Iris could've been better than hilda if they made her act like the wild girl she's supposed to be
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>>133072218
I want to follow May raw, if you catch my drift
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>>133071759
>tfw the animation actually looks good
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>>133071450
>tripfag
>Monmusu

embarassing
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>>133072937
the jump in animation quality from Best Wishes to XY is ridiculous
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>>133070383
Why is Flannery so hot?
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>>133073065
Fire types
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>>133072695
I assume they did that with Serena specifically BECAUSE of how badly received the decision to go with Iris was.
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>>133071111
>Quads of truth

Checked.
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>>133073198
You don't belong here either
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>>133073198
You don't belong here tripfag.
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>>133073065
>>133073089

She is genuine boner material
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>>133073198
You already proved yourself to be completely unaware of what does and doesn't belong here yesterday, tripshit. Fuck off back to /co/ now.
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XY good points:
>Satoshi is the coolest he has ever been
>animation, the key battles are fucking top tier
>Serena started weak but has grown into her own; she likes Satoshi but she isn't fully defined by that any more
>Bonnie
>all the game characters have better writing and personality than the game counterpart (see: Olympia, Diantha, Team Flare)

Give or take
>Typical Pokemon structure with character of the week format and slow progression between towns

Bad points
>No overarching plot... UNTIL NOW (at least it's being fixed with the current arc)
>Weak rivals unless Alain also joins the fray
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>>133073198
get out
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>>133068370
>OHKOing a Jolteon with a Rhyhorn using a special eletric type move.
You tell me. Even Critsian couldn't give him an edge.
Unlike Mega Zard X, ifyouknowwhatimean
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>>133073303

Pretty much, and the fact that there is more eye candy to boot.
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>>133073198
Neither do you, so what's your point?
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>>133073303
>good points
>Bonnie
Mah nigga.
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Is Serena more fashionable than the other girls?
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>>133071759
Type effectiveness still means nothing in the anime I see.
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>>133070858
BW2 trailer was the best animated production this franchise will ever get. I'm surprised they haven't gone full Yugioh and retired Ash yet.
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I think we can all agree that Sabrina is the most fuckable gym leader
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>>133074321

Gym leaders are only good if you can milk them
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>>133074321
Flannery > Sabrina = Claire > Elesa = Korrina > All.
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>>133073198
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>>133069468
The gym leader isn't supposed to be an equal fight you absolute retard. They are there to judge if you've met a certain level of skill and if you're qualified to have that badge. Nothing more.
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Never ever.
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>>133074321
Not even close.
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>>133074321
>>133075426
Both are in the top three for me

But Valerie tops them
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>>133075556

She is such a cutie
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>>133075556
Fair enough
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>>133074321
I agree. But it's probably because I only played until Platinum. Electra looks hot.
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Yo
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>>133076174
>Electra
Who?
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>>133076212
>there's a Darkrai showing up in four weeks

PANIC
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>>133076251
Sorry I mean Elesa
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>>133076275
What?
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>>133076295
XYZ ep5 is featuring a Darkrai
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>>133076282
Her name is Kamitsure
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>>133076174

I would keep battling them just to be in their presence
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As a long-time Pokemon player, I actually wished more trainers used 6 Pokemon.

It's always just
>You
>some Cooltrainers/Ace Trainers
>the champion
And that's it. Nowadays even rival characters don't have six.
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>>133076352
You forgot the token magikarp guy.
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>>133074321
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>>133076382
>starts off with six Magikarp
>KO them in seconds
>rematch
>six Gyarados
>six Intimidates stacked on top of the same Pokemon = lowest the Attack stat can possibly go
>still BTFO all six of them because I'm overleveled by then
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>>133072644
I'm_Afraid_of_Americans.mp3
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>>133071759
So, will they make something similar in the games?
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>>133068865
I think Rhydon can learn thunder/blizzard? The old games had weird stats so some pokemon could get away with bullshit like that.
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>>133076467

God bless Unova
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>>133076321
thanks, kind anon.
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>>133076620

I want to kiss her
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>>133076497
Obviously.
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>>133076497
we don't know yet, but since the anime exists to promote the new games then it might happen
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does higher gen mean higher power levels?
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>>133076657
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>>133070249
Nah, he is an idiot.
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>>133069468
>People should only get drivers' licenses if they beat their instructor in a race!
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>>133076771
Natsume: S-stop.
Erika: I won't let you escape
Erika: Natsume~ please tell me the secret to have a good figure.
Natsume: I told you, there is no secret
Erika: Tch
Natsume: W-What's your problem?
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>>133076977

A race is cool but I would imagine it being a destruction derby style battle.
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>>133076050
Best gym leader right here
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>>133070286

Nigga what are you talking about
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>>133077120
the kick at the end is funny as fuck
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>>133076984
Natsume: Why has it become like this?
Touya: You are slow.
Natsume: This is humiliating.
Touya: Your butt is up.
Natsume: Kya~n
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>>133068749
>using jolteon against rhyhorn
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>>133077246
Natsume's butt flickering in the last panel. What trickery is this?
Also, I misread, Touya actually said put your butt down.
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>>133077358
She wants it
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>>133076352
With how easy was XY they should have let the Elite 4 have 6 pokemon.
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>>133070858
The only ones in these pictures to actually fulfill their pokemon champion dreams were Gold and Red and they did it in the short length of 8 months.
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>>133077479

And I want to give it to her
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>>133068865
Rhydon can learn Fire and Ice moves but it was stupid to have a Rhyhorn beat a Victreebel. They should have done that with a Rhydon.
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>>133077572
I forgot green did it too.
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>>133077572

As you can see here >>133068749
Red is a complete idiot and only won with plot armor. So it doesn't really matter.
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>>133077572

Green did too but only for a short time.
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>>133070941
>>133071693

If the audience get's replaced anyway then why bother have the same character for almost 20 years?

Nobody cares about Ash/Satoshi to be honest. He is as generic as they come and they could have easily replaced him ages ago just like in the games and Special manga. Hell IMO is far more easier to just do that. Yu-Gi-Oh does it, Digimon does it, hell Vanguard even this that recently. The point is that having Satoshi being the MC is not needed at all and seems like some odd artistic choice by the staff.
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>>133077732
But the Pikachu plushies
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>>133077764
They could just use new MC and give him another Pikachu, no?
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>>133077764
Have the trainer own a Pikachu, or try to market a new Pokemon to take the roll of Pikachu. They make Pika clones each gen right? Use that.
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>>133077732

I don't know, I think there is another problem as to why they will not replace him even though competing anime do it and even the pokemon games do it. I wonder who is making the call behind the scenes and sticking the anime with this one and only MC
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Reminder that once upon a time, there was good pokemon manga. Then the artist has to quit due to a disease that makes her hand weak.
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>>133077861
It has to be the director of the seires or something. Cause the games change for each gen and those still sell like hot cakes and in fact are the most popular part of the franchise.
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>>133077810

Or they can just use the starters they have.
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>>133077572
>they did it in the short length of 8 months
?
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>>133077284
>pp stalling
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>>133071895
>6 metapods using harden, or 6 weedles using string shot, or 6 ratatas using leer
This is a real strategy? I thought anons were pulling my leg when they told me.
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>>133077652
yeaa.... look
>>133077608

>>133077633

I dont see how >>133068749
makes him an idiot.

These are "natural" fights unless he showed up with a bunch of lvl 20s and one lvl 100.
>using a grass type on a rock type
loses to one headbutt
>using a rock water on a rock type
loses to a thunderbolt
>using a normal on a rock type
gets a single giga impact
>uses electric as 2nd last resort
zapcannon'd one shot

I do agree he won with plot armor though.
you don't get a one shot like that unless you are hella strong, the fact he sent a glass cannon in the end and won bothers me.
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>>133078069

Its a strategy to get curb stomped by the gym leader
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>>133077732
>Nobody cares about Ash/Satoshi to be honest.
I do.

>>133078069
>opponent's pp runs out
>it struggles to death
>???
>profit
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Who's the best Pokegirl?

Pic related.
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I think you guys have good intentions when giving Ash the boot. I would also like something in the lines of male or female MC leave the town (even both could work) and add the rival, same catching and gym antics, reveal the bad guys earlier in the plot and keep it up for most of the run. Keep the league and add a Elite 4 and champion run for the winner (one of the three retards I mentioned in at the start).

Would be cool if you actually didn't know which one would actually win the league or if they could clear the Elite 4 and even beat the champion in each gen.

But I see why they keep Ash

>keep Pikachu
>keep Team Rocket to follow the formula that's been running since the beginning
>you can bring out the old friends easily and the relationship is more than "yo I'm Dawn and I'm relevant so I'll tag along for some chapters" if we used new protags

Tho they already do that with random people as it is. But I think they just have no need and don't want to change things up.
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>>133078208
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>>133077608
>>133077652
It's easy to forget someone who was champion for only a couple minutes.
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>>133078208
>know-it-all brat
>withholds secret vital information, then chides people for not knowing it
>willing to let an extinction-level event happen on mere speculation
>doesn't understand how wormholes work
>literally acts like a monkey
>uses a shit pokemon
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>>133078280
They could still use those reasons and give Ash the boot.
In fact, removing Ash is the only thing they should do, anything else is fine as it is.
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>>133078280

I wouldn't mind keeping him if he would win a damn tournament once in a while
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>>133077732
>Hey kids, here's the new protagonist for XY. He's another generic shonen newbie trainer who starts with a Pikachu, just like the previous 5 protags. Follo this new and exciting adventure of him challenging 8 gyms and then beating the Elite Four and Champion, fulfilling his dream of becoming master, just like the 5 other protags! Are you excited yet?
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>>133078401
Spoken like a true genwunner.
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>>133078208
>Y-Yandere?
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>>133078401
But why even do that if you aren't changing things up?

I'm tired of Ash, Pikachu, Team Rocket and how every season is the same. If they are just going to kick Ash and keep everything else while replacing him with Brendan/Lucas/Hilbert then just keep Ash. Shit is the same.
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>>133077825
Are you literally retarded? If a marketer seriously suggested writing Pikachu out of the anime and banking on its replacement becoming just as or more popular in an instant, he'd be fired on the spot. When you have a machine printing money you don't fucking unplug it.
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>>133070634
Underrated post
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Why do Pokemon threads always attract idiots that don't even follow the anime who make financially braindead suggestions to radically change shit that works fine or write out popular characters that push merchandise?

It's like watching a fucking kindergarten class.
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>>133078541

We are all tired of them, they got to go. We need new blood in the system
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>>133078687
What the ass are you even talking about? Are you mixing characters from the games, characters from the anime and characters from one of multiple manga series together in some personal, retarded headcanon?
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>>133078703
Because the anime has always been shit and the games are the real canon, that and everybody wants Pokemon Special not Ash keeps losing with his shit Lv. 500 Pikachu.
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>>133078758
Thanks for proving his point.
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>>133078703
Mostly because they don't care about the financial revenue of the company. They just want an anime that appeals more to them.
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>>133078757
Never mind it then.
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>>133078797
Not like anything I said isn't true though. The games canon > the animes, it's always been that way and it always will. As for the other thing people haven't wanted Special as an anime for years and years now and nobody has ever liked Ash, which is exactly as I said.
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>>133078758
Too bad for your autistic ass the "everyone" that wants that are heavily outnumbered by the actual majority that don't, which is why the anime is one of the most popular cartoons on Japanese TV and a heavy part of the franchise's marketing strategy, while Special is a minor footnote that can mostly do whatever the hell it wants because it tanking and burning isn't really something Gamefreak would care all that much about.
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>>133078855
>You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.
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>>133078541
Because I already accept the fact that they're going to use the same formula every season, but I don't want to see the same MC going through same shit every time.
You're right though, should've replace Team Rocket with anything else.

>>133078758
>games are the real canon
No shit, why would anime and game have the same canon?
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>>133078881
The anime is popular because it's been on for ages and was the breakthrough for Pokemon in terms of Anime. It'd be completely different had Origin, Special, or anything else come before it. That'd be popular and the current anime would be regarded as a joke.
>>133078934
Good thing I've been over 18 for ages now.
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What does Mei's bosom feel like?
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>no pokemon series EVER will have a brutally efficient mc that steamrolls all the retards that specialize in a type
>he and his rival will never have multilayered psychological battles contemplating if a pokemon has a move or item to cover its weakness
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>>133079038
Like a Camerupt.
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>>133078855
>games canon > the animes
Each are canon to their own medium

>Special as an anime for years and years now
Only a handful of vocal minority actually want them.

>nobody has ever liked Ash
Only the genwunners that only watched the OS season hate him for no reason. Like you.
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>>133079054
We'd rather have kids hopes and dreams destroyed because they realize they will always come up short so we can keep selling the anime, instead of striving for kids to reach the stars and conquer the world.
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>>133079054
Good, because that sounds like some boring bullshit no one over the age of 13 would think of writing.
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>>133079120
>Each are canon to their own medium
Games still matter more and always will.
>Only a handful of vocal minority actually want them.
Except for all the people that do.
>Only the genwunners that only watched the OS season hate him for no reason. Like you.
Been watching since the 90s, seen all the new shit. Only time Ash has been good was during his little bout with Paul and was the best time he had to win the League, and they blew it just to keep it running for the same time old schtick that's been going on for 2 decades.
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>>133079054
I liked XY's rival because they actually got depressed over how shit they were in comparison to you.

Like this is essentially another version of you, and yet you get curbstomped over and over again by your friend. You shouldn't be happy about this.

We don't need to go full DICKS OAK but still.
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How about this...

We make our good old boy here into a perma trap (I like the blonde version most) and is beta to the main female, will that make the anime more interesting?

>>133079054

He should also have some plotting scheming antihero traits too.
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Just make an anime about loli Steven and loli Cynthia going on adventures, make it a rom-com and we're good.
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>>133078855
>nobody has ever liked Ash
I'm happy when someone says this.

Its depressing seeing him lose time after time, season after season then just re-rolling with a new group and forgetting the old until they just magically become relevant again.
Even shipping has become empty and meaningless waste of energy; because you already know how it will end because he's repeated the same action at least 3 times with at least 3 different girls now.

>>133079130
Pessimistic but still realistic. I like it.
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>>133079272
I don't know if that kickstarted my crossdressing fetish but it surely didn't hurt it.

Maybe Ash leaves but then later on "she" shows up and pals around with everyone for a while.
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>>133079272
>no Ashley in XY yet
Huh.
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>>133079226
I liked Barry. And his team wasn't complete trash too.

Loved Platinum, my first game. Watched the anime since the begininng but had to wait until I discovered emulation to play one.
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>>133068370
>tfw i uses to always use mostly flying bug types

I wasn't the brightest kid. but Beedrill was fucking awesome.
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>>133079433
I started with gen 1 but I'm a huge hoennfag.

Just sucks that Wally's the worst rival.
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>>133079344

He makes a good trap
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>>133076977
I would be ok with that being a thing
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>>133079054
>some kid figures out Mewtwo is the strongest Pokemon in G1
>next week everyone is rolling level 100 Mewtwos
>start rolling Snorlax with Self-Destruct as my starter
>nuke their Mewtwo
>steamroll the rest of their team with my Mewtwo
>somehow nobody ever wised up to this
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>>133079433
>I liked Barry

Ugh, Rivals have been awful for a long time now and it all started with Barry. Hell you could even say Brendan/May is where it started. Rivals are supposed to be dick assholes you need to overcome, not your friends. Blu/Green/Gary/Whatever and Silver were glorious.
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>>133079499
What are the numbers for?

Also does he ever trap again? The only time I can remember offhand as him doing it in the gen 1 anime to get into some flower place.
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>>133069468
You're SUPPOSED to win against the Gym Leader in-universe, it's not a championship match between two powerhouses going full out, it's a powerful trainer gimping themselves hard to test the skills of newbies.
There's a reason Brock asks how many badges Red has before choosing his team; if Red had more badges, Brock would have used more pokemon, all of higher level than what he used instead.
In-universe the gyms can be done in any order.
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>>133079181
>Games still matter more and always will.
What the fuck are you on about. The games are canon to the games. The anime s canon to the anime.

>Except for all the people that do.
A few dozen people isn't a lot though.

>and they blew it just to keep it running for the same time old schtick that's been going on for 2 decades.
It would be the same shit even if they replaced Ash with some Gary Stu and people who think otherwise are deluded. At least with Ash it'll be iconic and instantly recognizable since he's been on for 20 years.
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>>133079536
Wally is what started it

Gen 1 was Gary MOTHERFUCKING[/spoiler Oak. Silver was a douche. Wally was a literal sickly child who just played with you. Barry wanted to suck you off more than fight you. iirc the gen 5 rival was ok, and gen 6 seems actually upset when they lose.

Maybe they're actually improving now.
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>>133079590
They even say this in the games with B/W2. One of the gym leaders says they basically get gifted Pokemon by the League to test new challengers or something if I recall.
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>>133079554

He traps 3 times, 4 if you count his maid outfit

He isn't as good as the trap master
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>>133077570
Why didn't E4 and/or Gym leaders have Mega Evolutions?
Step it up Gamefreak, I want them to actually be a challenge, rather than spamming one super effective attack the whole time.
Pokemon has never been truly challenging, but it was certainly a lot harder in previous entries.
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>>133079639
You're right, I completely forget about Wally because he's terribly uninspired.

Gen 5 rival was alright, but he was still like "Hey lets battle friend, lets see who is better." Gen 6, you might as well have not had a rival, they're all your buttbuddy friends.
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>>133079639
Wow I really fucked up that spoiler.

>>133079664
So are the numbers anime episodes? Manga chapters?
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>>133079698
>Gen 6, you might as well have not had a rival, they're all your buttbuddy friends.
You had like three people who wanted to suck your dick, and then the "real" rival was the opposite gender PC. They actually were upset when they lost and couldn't understand why they couldn't beat you through their own training.
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>>133079554
Every season. The numbers are a pun on his name
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>>133079729
Still nothing compares to Silver/Blue. Silver was a complete asshole that had a mental breakdown every time he lost and Blue gave no fucks, still thought he was better than you and rubbed it in your face.

Those are rivals. I just personally can't stand these friend rivals or good characters that train hard they just aren't the MC rivals.
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>>133079664
>I've got a new plane
>does it require you dress up as a girl again
>no... err yes.
>I vote for a new plan
>No seriously i already bought the shit, It'll work this time. lets just try it once.
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>>133079805
Plan not plane

shit. Never type while retarded.
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>>133079784
You're right, but I still think XY is going in the right direction. They seemed about ready to have a mental breakdown near your last fight.

>>133079741
Satoshi? I only know a small handful of moon numbers.
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>>133079536
Nah not really. First of all overcome what when they are all easy as fuck. Only time I had to go all out with potions was when Silver ambushed me when I was leveling at Mt Moon and I only had Suicune and Polywrath with more than 50% hp and moves.

Don't really care about some edgy retard that still acts cocky after he gets his ass whooped every time we meet. Barry was a great and funny retard and his team was full of my favorites so he's best rival for me.
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>>133079471
Go away Arin.
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>>133079842
Satomi, Satoshi and Satoko.
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>>133079844
Blue had a right to act cocky, he became the Champion before you did and was always one step ahead.

Barry as you said, was just a retard. I'm still amazed they gave him the highest level at the time party for Platinum. Glad HG/SS fixed that shit.
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>>133079928
So losing every time is one step ahead?
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>>133079648
Cheren complains about having to fight you with some low level shitmons instead of his real team because you're a new trainer without any badges.
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>>133079950
>gets badges before you
>becomes champion before you
>is almost always coming back from the town you're heading to
>always had more Pokemon than you

Yes, Blue was always one step ahead of you. You may beat him in the game, which is required, but he was always still a step ahead of you. Even then he has a very well and balanced team and is one of the better Champions in the entire series.

Besides saying Blue is a pushover is silly, since Barry was also an extreme pushover, as is Red, and everybody else barring Cynthia.
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>>133070675
so much concrete for a town with 4 buildings...
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>>133079950

One step ahead of where you are going and what people you are going to face. He beats everybody before you do but you beat him every encounter.
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>>133079974
I think with Cheren is about as clear as it gets.

His end game team was bonkers in BW but had to stick with low level normal trash in BW2.
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>>133079701
Anime episodes, though it's a running count that doesn't reset with new series, so good luck finding a place that lists the episodes by that number.
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>>133080078
Gen 2 is pretty clear as well. What with Kanto's Gym Leaders having high level and more pokemon since you already beat Johto's leaders and the league.

Then you get rematches with people in games with their pokemon clearly being stronger and them having more.
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>ash
>not satoshi

Fucking normies
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>>133080099
That wouldn't be hard if you know how many episodes are in the season.

>That huge gap after he essentially dresses up as Jessie
She was probably creeped out after that.
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>>133080078
It's also obviously something they added because they were tired of retards that don't understand what a video game is going "lel why is the gym leader in the first town weaker than some random Youngster outside the third town?"
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>>133080050

Everybody wanted know why the town was so small but it turns out the town has a few giant buildings that are actually apartments. The town is actually much larger
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>>133080192
I remember I started to read the manga a few years ago but I stopped. I don't remember why, but it was around mid 2nd gen I think.
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>>133080049
Is not required. You can let him beat your ass to not break immersion if you want.

What I think is that "rivals" are meanigless when the game overall barely makes them worth being called that. So Blue and Silver are about as good as "rivals" as the retards that followed them.

When I played in gen 1 and 2 I realized they liked to appear at random surprising you with your pants down. They tonned it down in Gen 4 and I think they even heal you nowadays. Or maybe they did that in gen 4 too I don't remember.
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>>133068370
Don't see the problem in them following the game mechanics.
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>>133079928
>Blue had a right to act cocky
'no'
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>>133080172
He's back again now though.

Even wears this outfit in the new OP.
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>>133080419
I've looked at /vp/'s anime thread on occasion, I might start watching it again. I don't think I've ever actually watched the anime since like early gen 3 and that was still the dub.
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pokemon has the potential to make some of the best games and best anime and movies
i guess theyre not gonna risk ruining its image
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>>133080506
XY is the best series yet by far, and it's completely subbed from the beginning. It's the perfect place to get back into the series.
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>>133080540
They've apparently done of those short pikachu things for each movie. That's neat.
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Best part of XY
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>>133080419
What pokes do they even have now? I remember there was an episode about them leaving their arbok and weezing behind.
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>>133080637
Movie 1-6 and 15-18 consist of one 70 minute feature film and one 20 minute short. Movie 7-14 are just one 90 minute long feature.
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>origins special
>tries to be like the game
>didn't make Red use only just his starter pokemon and use his other five pokemon as meat shields for when his starter pokemon faints and HM slaves for field use cause that's literally what 90% of every kid fucking does
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I havnt watched the anime since the dub on foxbox or whatever back in the 90s. I remember the movie being good, is any of it worth watching and what is a Red.
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>>133080843
>Jessie has one of the best pokes
>James has an ok one
>Wobbufet is still there
Everything went better than expected
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>>133080858
It's a 90 minute feature film that has two slightly different variants as a marketing gimmick.
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>>133080858
Are these pokemon supposed to be missiles?
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>>133080883
Wobba got written out for BW, but they brought it back for XY due to fan demand.

They even held a poll to decide who to bring back.
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>>133080805
>didn't make Red use only just his starter pokemon and use his other five pokemon as meat shields
He did do this though.
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>>133080876
Watch XY.
The dub is shit, watch the sub:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/#PocketMonstersXYSubbed
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>>133080910
Kind of. Rehashiram and zekrom weren't given the highest praise when they were first announced.
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Did Ashe fuck Misty or May yet? Do they ever cameo?Fuck these new girls
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>>133081003
Zekrom still looks like some overly edgy Digimon.
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>>133081098
I'm still not over the fact that one of the current legendaries is literally "evil tal"
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>>133080995
Any of the new movies worth watching? And what is Origins everyone above was talking about?

I also havnt played a game (actually any video game for that matter) since Ruby.
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>>133080049
Red has a massive level curve on his side
gen II leveling was hell as was the pokemon placement
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>>133081133
>X has one of the coolest mascots yet
>Y has this retarded thing
Literally how
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>>133081086
Misty is fucking Tracy and May is fucking Drew.

Ash will fuck Serena.
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>>133081228
The deer?
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>>133081228
Xerneas is pretty cool.

Actually all of the "blue" legendaries have been good.

>Lugia
>Kyogre
>Dialga
>Xerneas
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>>133081262
Picked up
Dropped
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>>133081182
>Any of the new movies worth watching?
Yeah, but they're part of the anime continuity just watch them as part of that

>And what is Origins everyone above was talking about?
2 hour TV special (split into 4 shorter episodes) made to advertise X/Y. It's essentially an adaptation of gen 1, though it incorporates some new XY elements as well. Its main purpose was to catch the attention of adults who had lost interest in the franchise long ago with an adaptation of a game they remembered, then show off some new cool shit to make them interested in picking up the new gen 6 games.

It's its own continuity and has nothing to do with the regular anime.
It's also pretty shitty
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Who else is just waiting for the league to roll around to start watching from there?
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>>133081273
Yeah. One of my favorite legendaries of all time.

Got this stylish motherfucker of a model on my shelf, one of very few Pokemon figures I own.
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>>133081370
Deers are retarded.
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>>133081342
>not enjoying the ride
>jumping right into a series of battles featuring Pokemon you have no connection to at all
Why would anyone do that?
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>>133081324
Is it fine to watch the movies if I have no intention on eatching the hundreds of other pokemon episodes? They seem like they have good quality animation.
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>>133081394
>Deers
sounds like you're the retard anon
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>>133081422
I've been on the ride for too many years.
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Best girls.
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>>133081458
Dumb animal.
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>>133081425
You won't exactly be confused, but the movies aren't intended as standalone works, so they do have a tendency to have main characters and Pokemon that spend the entire movie standing around in the background not doing shit because the movies obviously have to use the current group from the TV show.
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>>133073198
Hurrrr I'm a tripfag look at me being a baka!!!!
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>>133081394
They also taste really good
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>>133081504

I wanted to see two pokegirls fight over boob size
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>>133081422
Well I mean, he's just gonna dump em come next region anyways
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>>133081738
Didn't he let Charizard go fuck other Charizards, or is he still with Oak.
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>>133081627
Like?
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>>133081851
Yes and yes.
It stayed at Charizard training camp for years, then returned to his team for a bit a while ago. It's currently at Oak's.
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>>133078208
Best theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn8_Q27WFY
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>>133082644
No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZsOwo9rhsQ
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>>133070357
>Just get proper type advantage you can fuck them easy
> Not just having only one Pokemon that's so strong it demolishes opponents that have a type advantage
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>>133073065
> Read head
shit is fire incarnate
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Are the new Legendary monsters stronger than the old ones?
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>>133080321

>rhydon normal only moves
>executor only 3 moves

Shit blue what the duck are ya doing?
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>>133083183
stat wise or lore wise

because literal actual god was in 4th gen
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>>133083183
Mega Rayquaza is so retardedly overpowered it's nearly an instant win button.
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>>133083352
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>>133068440
fite me faggot
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>>133083183
Xerneas and Yveltal's exclusive signature moves are fun as fuck and extremely powerful.

Xerneas has Geomancy, which boosts Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed by two stages each after charging for a turn (can and should be negated with Power Herb).
Yveltal has Oblivion Wing, an 80 power Flying move (Yveltal is half flying, so it gets STAB) that heals the user by 75% of inflicted damage..
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Pokemon trainers are a bunch of fucking pussies anyway, standing by the sidelines, shouting at their Pokemons like some possessed freak while their beloved pets fight themselves to death.
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>>133081287
Might as well drop from a building then.
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>>133068440
>Red
>Not Canon

Lol wat
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>>133070675
>concrete
that is obviously cut stones, plebeian.
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>>133071759
what happened to pikachu?
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>>133080964
Oh what the fuck
Fucking Chimecho had a chance to come back
Wobbuffet doesn't even fucking do anything. It's done at most literally 3 things in the entire XY series so far, besides pop out at random times.

>>133086323
no mega evolution so they don't give a fuck
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>>133069468
That's why I've been playing each new generation usding only difficulty rebalance ROMhacks that, among other things, give all leaders 6 pokemon.


I remember in Blaze Black around the begginging I found a the typical enemy trainer with only an overhyped Ratata I thought I was gonna curbstomp. Next thing I know, the little IV-perfect fucker has KOed three of my pokemon witth Flame Wheel.
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>>133083670
the pokemon want to fight tho
it's natural
>>
I wish there was an episode about Nate and Yancy.
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>>133068749
I didn't learn Razor Leaf was a physical move until LeafGreen, the animation was so misleading.
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>MC stays 10 for 20 years
>doesn't get stronger, there's no rhyme or reason to who wins a battle whatsoever
>everything else is exactly what you'd expect from a kid's show, nothing to make up for all the badness

How the fuck does anybody actually watch this shit? It's literally worse than DBZ, which is literally worse than Naruto. And yeah, I fucking loved the first three seasons as a kid, but I was a fucking kid. You have no excuse.
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>>133086820
My excuse is I'm not a faggot like you.
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>>133086820
>>doesn't get stronger
>>I fucking loved the first three seasons
Well that explains it.
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>>133086942
In his defense, the league is probably his indication of "get stronger".
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>>133068564
>it's not fair in the games either
Then use only 2-4 pokemon for the gym, not fair != Ilegal.
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>>133086942
>>133086979
>throws away his pokemon at the start of each season because durhurr
>still loses fights with some regularity
>pikachu get's KO'd by retarded shit even though it should easily be lv 100
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>>133087202
>lv 100
A textbook example of the effects of brain damage on a person.
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>>133086246
ash is red. red is ash. thats cannon.
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>>133087280
It isn't.
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Is he going to win this time?
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>>133087241
>thinks pokemon don't canonically get stronger by winning fights in the animeverse
>leaps on an obviously tongue-in-cheek statement because he has no argument

I guess I really should have known better than to try and reason with actual children.
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>>133068370
No, fuck you.
All I get is a low level but decent pokemon.
All my other pokemon are shit tier when starting out. I mean, who the fuck beats a gym leader with birds, bugs and rats. That aren't even the proper type!

You better give me some handicap, asshole!
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>>133087408
Nope. Get ready for Tobias with his Mega Darkrai.
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>>133087426
>Implying that matters when you can beat a building sized rock giant with some bubbles
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>>133087422
>levels in the anime
>pikachu should easily be level 100
I guess I really should have know better than to try and reason with and actual retard.
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>>133068899
>hitmonlee not winning in two blows
More accurate to the games my ass
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>>133087465
>does the exact same things again, after I already pointed them out

This should be fun. Let's see you do it a third time.
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>>133087465
an*
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>>133087454
>not going with the fire type starter
Then again, I think in the later generations it doesn't mean shit since they created shit pokemon with all three types roaming around the first forest you enter.
Things really have changed since gen 1
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>>133087426
>>133087454
>>133087517
>picking anything but bulbasaur
>and having the nerve to complain
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>tfw still haven't played XY
Is it good?
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>>133087575
>beat a building sized rock giant with some leaves
Doesn't change much
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>>133087602
It was okay. Battles aren't a snorefest anymore, but the game is also too easy, and the story was shit.
>>
>>133087602
Not as good as BW/BW2 (especially since there is zero fucking postgame stuff to do) but the player customization is nice. I like the visuals a lot and AZ is probably one of my favorite Pokemon characters.
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>>133087517
Cyndaquil is best starter. Just the best.
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>>133087517
>4x rock weakness
Charizard is a faggot starter
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>>133087738
Fire is always best starter.
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>>133087517
I've always chosen the water type starter. Defeating your rival's with ice attacks feels great, especially Torterra.
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>>133087772
Except in D/P/Pt. Piplup was better because of based Empoleon
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>>133087772
Except this guy.
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>>133087517
Gen 4 literally only had two fire types, the starter Pokemon and fucking Ponyta
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>>133087839
>arcanine
>ninetales
>flareon
>>
Here are the objective facts.

>Best Kanto starter
Squirtle but Pikachu is also an acceptable answer if you want to get technical about it.

>Best Johto starter
Cyndaquil, but Totodile is also acceptable as it is pretty much equal to Cyndaquil. Chikorita a cute but not best. Johto starters are the best starters of any region, though.

>Best Hoenn starter
Mudkip and only Mudkip, this is not up for debate

>Best Sinnoh starter
Piplup. Turtwig is tolerable. Nobody cares about Chimchar.

>Best Unova starter
They're all pretty equal. Snivy has the best final evolution so that might put it ahead of the others. Any answer is okay, though.

>Best Kalos starter
Froakie but that's not saying much. Fennekin is cute but its evolutions are kind of creepy and Chespin starts off cute only to become a complete abomination somewhere along the line. Froakie at least has the benefit of a cool final evolution so there's that.
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>>133073303
Fug man. Don't convince me to pick up XY again.
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>>133081133
Well its supposed to be the pokemon representation of death
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>>133076050
Thought it was a boy when I first fought her in Diamond.
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>>133088471
>mfw it's finally pointed out to me that the psychic twin gym leaders from 3rd gen are not twin girls, but a boy and a girl

All these years were a lie.
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>>133083372
>banned to it's own tier
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>>133088071
>Fennekin is cute but its evolutions are kind of creepy
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>>133088532
They just look like they're pandering to the people who get weird about Pokemon.
>>
>>133088381
Hol up, this scene is from the TV series?
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>>133088514
I found out and like them more. I want to fuck Tate while Liza watches me.
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>>133088606
If by TV series you mean movie, the yes.
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>>133081003
I liked Reshiram. Zekrom was an abomination however.
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>>133076977
My sides.

Only acceptable background music for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gah8FnYSypk
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>>133088606
movie

although they did show an old lady die in the TV episodes
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>>133088613
>>133088620

Oh, that explains the budget. I'm tempted to watch XY just for the animation. I was actually pretty impressed by the first episode.
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>>133088532
He's right. I never evolved my Braixen after I found out how the 3rd evolution looked like. Fucking hell.
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>>133088674
furfag
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>>133088650
>watch XY just for the animation
Do it, it's really worth the watch.
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>>133088692
Better than liking hags.
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>>133088381
>>133088731
Neither of these are even from the actual TV series.
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>fell in love with Lucario ever since that old movie with Mew
>Pokemon is now completely and utterly ruined by furfags
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>>133088775
One time somebody I knew just admitted out of nowhere that they find Lucario and Lugia sexually attractive. Why the fuck do people have to get weird about Pokemon? God fucking dammit. I know we're on 4chan and all but wanting to bone a Pokemon is just one of those things that's never going to be okay with me. I hate furries, fuck.
>>
>>133088775
>>>/fur/
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>>133087602
The game is easy mode thanks to the very early Exp Share, after the 2nd badge if I remember, giving the same exp to the entire bench as the active Pokemon

The character customization was the best addition

Competitive is hilariously whacked with a good number of Mega Pokemon tiered with the Legendaries, (and of course Mega Rayquaza being overpowered against everything) but thankfully the official tournament format being Doubles alleviates it a bit
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>>133088913
I didn't mean wanting to stick my dick in one. But Lucario just really grew on me after watching that film and I'll try to get one in my party in every game that I play.
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>>133087716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CneQ-QnwdSc
>yfw this cutscene came up
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>>133088867
Thankfully Ash will never get a Gardevoir

Shame Goodra the required "powerhouse that needs to leave for balance reasons"
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>>133088977
>those cool poses
>suddenly a cute bat
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just posting game protagonist cameos in the anime
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>Sugita and Ono have had Pokemon roles
>HanaKana has a Pokemon role
>Aya Hirano never had a Pokemon role
It hurts.
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>>133089004
most likely will be updated when it evolves,there's a huge amount of empty space on the top left
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>>133088977
>search goodrafag in the archive
>all those results
I feel bad about /vp/, that's some autism incarnated.
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and the best cameo...
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>>133089035
>>133089100
>>133089152
None from BW?
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>>133089004
Noibat will evolve to Noivern as revealed in the Pokemon magazine, so it'll be updated
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>>133089239
nope
another reason why BW is shit
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>>133089145
>tfw i got permabanned instead of Goodrafag once
>i'd only browsed /vp/ after seeing a screencap of him
>my apology was almost immediately accepted
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>>133077572
>Gold
What?
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>>133086782
>I didn't learn Razor Leaf was a physical move until LeafGreen
The physical/special split happened in gen 4. Razor Leaf was still special in Leaf Green.
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>>133087602
DO NOT USE THE MULTI EXP.
DESACTIVE IT WHEN YOU GET IT.

The part from the beginning to the second badge is the best part among all the pokemon games.
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