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Will CGI animation ever not suck?

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Will CGI animation ever not suck?
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>Will CGI
>posts a show from 13 years ago
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Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY4f_83t_rw
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I can hear Origa singing. I now has a sad.
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>>133066969
AERIA GLORIS
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Watch more anime
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>>133066226
That CGI is awesome though.
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>>133067168
I'm so fucking torn between the first and second OP. sooo good
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>>133068055
I prefer the second.
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>>133068091
Yeah, It's definitely the second. Goddamn that chorus gives me chills every time.
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>>133067241
lol looks like shit
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Yes
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>>133066226
When japan finally learns how to use CGI to enhance the experience rather to replace animation entirely, no, it wont ever not suck.
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>>133068343
I really hope I2 isn't shit.
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>>133068243
Stick to Aldnoah.Zero, faggot
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>>133068243
Kill yourself
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>>133066341
>>133068343
Isn't this suppose to be about 3D in anime?
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>>133068343
Want to know the release date for the second movie
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The Harlock movie looked amazing.
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>>133066226
Nice bait thread, it seems you're learning.
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> Over half the time all the characters transition from handdrawn to clunky out-of-place CG and then back again, rinse and repeat

Drives me up the fucking wall.
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>>133066226
I would say they got dancing and mecha covered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZi0neoZJfM
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>>133068851
If only KoS' animation frame rate wasn't shit.
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>>133068851
Movement looks too choppy at parts. Otherwise, the slo-mo looks really good.
>inb4 muh silky smooth.
Not what I'm talking about
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>>133067241
Please don't tell me this is from that Fafner trash
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>>133066226
Not for animation studios no
That shit costs a fuck ton of money.
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>>133068851
whoa, precure looks good. how's the show?
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>>133066226

Jurassic Park still looks good after 22 years.

I don't understand why this technology is so unavailable to everyone at this point.

It simply has to be budget. X amount of dollar gets you Y amount of aesthetics. They simply don't have the money for Jurassic Park tier CG.
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>He didn't watch MJP two years ago
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>>133068725
As far as tech is concerned it might be fine. But it was not aesthetically pleasing.
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>>133069094
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>>133069107
Why would someone put two forehaeds on a single head?
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>>133069066
That's just the ED, they put a lot of effort into that. not representative.

The shows themselves are
>mostly low-budget 2D animation
>occasional sakuga
>frequent use of stock 3D transformations and attacks
>also, simple stories for little girls
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>>133069094
>>133069164
I still think these don't look that good. They're acceptable, but I'd much rather prefer a hand-drawn mech fight scene.
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I'll probably get a lot of shit for saying this, but whatever. Rebuilds have some pretty great CG, specially 3.0.

>>133066341
I love that opening, fucking perfect.
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>>133069213
>I'd much rather prefer a hand-drawn mech fight scene.

Everyone would, as long as it's obviously well animated.

MJP still looked good and had good animation
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>>133068851
The people look like shit, though.
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>>133069107
It wasn't bad outside of the childhood flashbacks. Adults looked fine.
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>>133068996
>Fafner
>trash
>phenomenal animation
>great story
>>133069094
MJP has the problem of bad framing. "Camera" is too lose to the action. Mechanically, it looks great though.
>>133069207
>simple stories for little girls
Perfect.
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>>133068343
All modern Disney and Dreamworks shit looks the fucking same. Atleast since Tangled.

So Incredible 2 will probably have a visual change from the first.
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>>133069296
that looks like the camera was operated by a kid with ADHD and a caffeine overdose
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No, because even if the models are good, the animators dont know how to animate in cgi, the rigs have glaring issues with how the weights were painted, the shaders never match the 2D elements, and the compositing is full of QUALITY.

Every example posted in these threads has these, and only people with poor eye sight who dont know what they are looking at think the shit looks good.
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>>133069380
This honestly,
they try to distract with these fast moving camera movements,
but in the end it is clear that 2D is still superior.
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>>133069380
>the shaders never match the 2D elements
That problem doesn't exist if it's full 3D.

And the problem exists in 2D too, when they do some scene transitions
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>>133069368
That's what I was saying about the framing.
>>133069380
Hey gramps
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>>133069296
>Fafner
>Hirai
>Great Story

No
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No, as it stands now it's only for mech shit.

And even that looks like ass. Good looking CGI exists but I doubt it costs much less than just animating it 2D in the first place and it kind of defeats the purpose.
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I'm surprised no one has posted this yet, it had a decent art style and animations even if the show itself was generic as fuck.
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>>133069495
the 2D example.
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>>133069524
using chibis kinda is cheating though.
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>>133069500
>The character designs influence the writing
>>133069466
>2D is still superior.
Then why does so much 2d look terrible?
Production values are much more important than the method.
>>133069503
>kind of defeats the purpose
Or perhaps the studios want the 3DCG because it's simply too taxing to draw some of the things they want to display?
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Anime-style hair is still the biggest issue.

Either it's flat sheets that sometimes fail shading, sonic-spikes or lobes of jelly.
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>>133069779
Shoulda used TressFX
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>>133069753
>Then why does so much 2d look terrible?
Because so much studios aren't trying hard enough.
With the ones that do, you can truly see the difference.
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>>133069753
>The character designs influence the writing
It doesn't, but it sure affect my enjoyment
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>>133069827
Take that exact statement and apply it to 3DCG
Unfortunately, there are what, maybe 3 or 4 competent studios when it comes to 3D.
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>>133069827
That's exactly the same with 3D studios. Orange and Graphinica are trying. Even shits like Sanzigen emulated Imaishi's style once
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>>133069896
yes, but a competent studio working in 2D will produce better results than a competent studio working in 3D.
That is just the way it is.
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>>133069295
Was this supposed to counter my point or support it?
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>>133069944
decades of experience vs. some guys out of university for a few years at most.
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Why don't CGI animators just use game engines to render their content? I see a lot of progress in good looking animated graphics coming from realtime rendering in game engines but not much from software like Max and Maya.
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>>133069990
That pretty much sums up the entirety of CG as I see it right now.

It's way too early for it to look any good other than mecha fights. Most studios don't even try with their CG and it just looks like trash. See: That one episode of mekakucity actors where they had a CG opening.

I'd much rather have QUALITY 2d than shit CG
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>>133069975
it's supposed to support my original point. that it's hardly anime at all.

>>133069997
my guess would be that offline renderers offer more non-developer customization via shittons of plugins/modules while game engines need programmers to do more fundamental changes.
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Yes.
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CG is even more budget sensitive than 2D sadly.

As far as a pure CG show goes, Sidonia might be the best at the moment.. but as tech improves, it might eventually be able to replicate the 2d look more successfully.
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>>133069944
>will produce
Can*

>>133070096
As would I, and I really do enjoy CGI.
>>133070143
>Sidonia might be the best at the moment
Nah
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>>133070096
>See: That one episode of mekakucity actors where they had a CG opening.
that was shaft doing shaft things.

I.e. they ran out of time and probably just released the CGI scene reference in place of the actual drawn content or some shit like that.
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>>133069990
Maybe,
the future will show if the same quality is ever reached.
I don't really believe so, as I think all the fluidity and charm of 2d animation is not reachable by 3d, especially when it comes to characters,
but maybe I will be proven wrong.
For now it sucks, even mecha animation.
To be honest a lot of 2d mecha animation sucks too.
But some scenes transcend and reach a godlike level of quality and awesomeness, which will be hard to beat with 3D the way it is used now.
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>>133069575
Yeah, I suppose but I mean it is fairly decent even for chibi, it was still just a TV anime so they sort of had to use chibi if they wanted to keep to their budget at all.

I don't really think the chibi thing really detracted from the show at all, it was also pretty awesome seeing each girls chibi form if you didn't read spoilers before hand.

>>133069997
Game engines are actually fairly shit in CGI terms, Most modern games relies on a ton of action happening on screen and special effects to distract the player, the models and animations themselves tend to be put on the side.
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>>133070400
take the transition from cel animation to the digital process. took a decade to get us to the current point.

And that was just doing the same shit with different tools. 3D is more than just new tools to do the same process. It's a quite different process.

Of course it's going to take a long time. But they have to start somewhere.
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>>133070400
I agree with keeping character animation separate, but when all that gets watched with CGI is shit tier Satelite garbage, it makes sense that the hate for CG is so strong. There happens to be a lot more out there, but it just doesn't get talked about very much.

Would it surprise you to know that Casshern Sins had CGI? Which is funny because it's often praised as one of the more gorgeous looking anime out there.
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>>133070524
>take the transition from cel animation to the digital process. took a decade to get us to the current point.
There was quite a lot of good looking digitally colored anime even a decade ago.
While 3d anime animation never managed to convince me.
I understand that they have to start somewhere, but can't they do it somewhere where it doesn't ruin my gundam?
For example MJP was a good place for it.
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>>133070869
>ruin your gundam?

I'm really digging IBO, but it looks like garbage and poor Barbz is off model way too much.
>inb4 leftover budget
That's not true.
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>>133070963
>>133070933
>Thumbnail
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>>133070933
I don't even care too much about IBO,
but in Origin it really sucks.
Build Fighters had better better Mecha Action, and it wasn't a movie!
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>>133070869
>There was quite a lot of good looking digitally colored anime even a decade ago.
that's only because a decade ago was 2005 and not 2000.

>but can't they do it somewhere where it doesn't ruin my gundam?
someone has to be the lab rat. it happens to be you.
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>>133068726
Well, japan has the technology to import 2d into 3d realm, it's pretty lazy though.
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>>133070933
>>133070963
You think I don't see you?
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>>133070980
>>133071107
I gave up dubs. I feel the shame enough already.
>>133070999
Sunrise does fairly well on their non-central CGI assets, but they never bother to blend anything and it sticks out really poorly.
Check'd
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIJzQ5OdG58
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>>133066226
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>>133071406
why would you use cgi to emulate flash? looks alright I guess
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>>133071284
that looks like shit and they can't sing either
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>>133071284
Is that the latest Milky Holmes?
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>>133071441
Gentlemen the Dawning of the age of Virtual Anime is upon us
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>>133069779
Why is tachikoma carrying a guitar?
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>>133071527
2016 will be a beautiful year.
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bump 4 u
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>>133072072
Too bad locust rift will never make it as anything other than gimmick shit.

Call me when I won't be able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy.
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>>133073561
>>>/g/
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>>133069495
maybe, but lack of weight because the animators dont know what they are doing, and the weird outline thing going on (shader issue in that webm) continue to be a problem. The characters float, dont actually hold objects, they look bad.

>>133069497
>gramps
I do cgi for a living, maybe you should stop by /3/ and argue that this garbage looks good. and then get laughed at.
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>>133073561
What makes you think you are not in a fantasy right now with your memories of the real world deleted?
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>>133069296
I fucking love fafner
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>>133073892
>I do cgi for a living, maybe you should stop by /3/ and argue that this garbage looks good. and then get laughed at.
ok
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>>133073646
Anon, Halloween is over, no need to try to spook me.

>>133073918
You win this round senpai.
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>>133074302
There's nothing spooky about the future.
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The moment a CGI anime comes out is the day I find a new hobby.
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>>133069322
>So Incredible 2 will probably have a visual change from the first.
Never, they will not change that formula. They didn't for none of the Pixar movies, even Toy Story. They will never do it.
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>>133074498
Why are you still here then?
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>>133074498
they already exist
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>>133074498
so, what hobby did you find?
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>>133074498
why are you still here?
heres your (You)
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>>133074562
>>133074567
>>133074607
>>133074823
[citation needed]
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>>133074498
You should have found a new hobby over a decade ago.
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>>133074832
I don't understand why blind people consume anime. Do you like the japanese voices accompanying your braille output?
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>>133074832
lurk moar faggot
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>>133074863
>>133074882
>mfw still no sources in sight
You guys are as bad as climate-change deniers.
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>>133074498
And it wasn't even bad.
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>>133074498
I hear history is popular with the kids nowadays, might be a nice hobby to pick up.
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>>133074984

Fuck off back to /v/ shiteating newfag.
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>>133075001
[urge to penetration rising]
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>>133074832
http://myanimelist.net/anime/2261/[email protected]
http://myanimelist.net/anime/1611/Galerians:_Rion
Fuck off.
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>>133069495

Arpeggio was great with ship battles, but people still looked bad.
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>>133066226
The real question is
>Will CGI animation in TV anime ever not suck?
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>>133074832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb_Mg5sa_uc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTEAhPlltXQ
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>>133075100
>spoonfeeding newfucks
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>>133075001
>mfw that 12000x resolution
>I can literally put my face up her vagina
>you can actually see its hand drawn
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>>133075169
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>cg used for background characters
>many of them share the same models, only looking different with clothes
>their faces are completely inanimate, even when confronted with fear
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>>133069213
>hand-drawn mech fight scene

As with most things, it depends on the quality.
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I always felt Gundam Igloo got more flak than it deserved.
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>>133075454
The character models were the biggest issue, as the transition of keeping standard anime reactions and the like didn't work at all.

Most of the mech battles were a joy to watch though. The Zudah and A Baoa Qu fights were fun to watch, I wish I had some webms.
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>>133075341
>yfw the Graze looks better than the Barbatos
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>>133073892
Call me when /3/ made a decent-looking anime. I will be waiting.
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>>133075538
Fair enough, it was also pretty funny just having that one FukuJun character show up in the 2nd Igloo release with the divebomber and just have him be noticeably Asian looking in comparison to the rest of the cast.

Still, the Guntank convict Squad and the A Baoa Qu fight from the Zeon side episodes were pretty dope.
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>>133075538
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>>133076426
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>>133075223
would go down under until her energy disappeared
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>>133075260
lol watching Shitlite
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>>133069497
>that webm

BTFO
T
F
O
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>>133069534
>sudden teleportation to the low quality world
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>>133066226
Watch Etotama and Yukikaze
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Many recent anime have been using CGI and most people can't even tell. These are the last days of classic animation.
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what is aikatsu
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Someone post that webm of the Punch Line opening with the CG rooms. When CG is used for background art, it can look pretty good.
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>>133076848
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>>133077399
ok I need to watch this now, was waiting for the BDS but I cannot wait
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>>133075112
Magical highschool anime.from last season with the cgi bugs was bad. Like the cgi hurt, but the anime was decent, entertaining
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>>133077494
Well the BDs for Exodus S1 are all out. as of last week.
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>>133077640
Hell yeah
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Did someone say CG?
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>>133077912
WEX CYCLONUS
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>>133067241

>tries to prove CGI doesn't suck
>posts bad CGI
>posts CGI mecha, the cancer killing mecha

Yeah, fuck off.
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>>133077856
If you wanna talk, go to /m/, but don't go into the running thread. Make a new one. Everyone is pretty sensitive to spoilers, except in the main thread. There is a lot of stuff that you don't wanna get spoiled on.
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>>133078074
something like this then? right, got it
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>>133078017
Gundam IBO has 2D animation and it sucks fucking dick compared to Fafner and Comet Lucifer action. Time to accept the future is here, grandpa.
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>>133078017
Yeah, I sure do love all the amazing hand-drawn mecha being produced these days.
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>>133078017
>bad CGI
Simply ebin.

Also, I thought Valvrave was the cancer killing mecha?
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Love Live! CGI is great. Watch the latest Aquors PV, m8s.
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>>133077095
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>>133078289
Valvrave has terrible cgi.
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>>133078873
Yes...and?
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>>133075686
Most of what /3/ makes in college courses look better than the shitty mecha cgi people have been posting
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>>133079397
>I've never been on /3/: the post
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I dunno, I still feel there's a lack of "polish" in all these webm's. Maybe it's just getting use to the inherit anime style of Japans cgi
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>>133079458
A smug anime girl for ants?
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Live 2D VR when?
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>>133068725
>>133069276
3D that attempts to emulate real life humans and not some sort of stylized form will always be uncanny valley shit like pic related.
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AniGaro Season 1's CGI animation was pretty damn good looking. Shame the second season decided to change studios for their CGI.
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>>133077640
Are there any subs for Dead Aggressor that don't suck? The BD release I downloaded awhile back has this weird error in which the subs are shifted to the right of the screen and I refuse to watch the dub that the release included.
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>>133079882
the new Garo really sucks in all department
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>>133068851
It's hardly CGI if it's just a mocap of real dancers.
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>>133079958
You should be able to fix that. You're using MPC right? Go to Options>Playback>make sure 'Use the built-in subtitle renderer' is ticked. Restart and you should be groovy,

The dub is doubly stupid because they changed the whole cast between the series and movie. Exodus may never even get a dub.
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I think the movie itself can be kinda lame but Advent Children is probably the best Japan has done in terms of pure cgi
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There's promise

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-11-01/tokyo-cosmo-indie-animation-shows-off-impeccable-quality-nominated-for-award/.94839
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>>133079977
I like the cast, even though their a far cry from S1's. I'm waiting to see what the overall plot is going to be before making a judgement call on that given most Garo shows take awhile for that to kick in.

The new armor CGI and fights suck dick real hard though.
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>>133080079
Oh, hey, that actually fixed it. Can't believe it was that simple.

Thanks!
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>>133080231
No problem. I take it you're using the [philosophy-raws] release?
Unfortunately none of the Exodus BD have been released with subs I think, but one anon made sure everything was retimed last week (and is supposedly fixing crunchy's errors too.). You'll have to ask /m/ for the link though.
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>>133080392
Yeah, using that release.

And I'll hit up /m/ for that, thanks for the tip.
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>>133080545
Just avoid the threads. It's pretty much this >>133078120 without the bars.
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Never
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>>133077912
>CGI in 2s
What is this shit?
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>>133080108
Video game CGI in general is the best you can currently get from Japan.
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>>133078547
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>>133081517
Virtually no difference. Designing CGI from current anime art style trends isn't that hard.
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>>133081767
the issue become apparent in fluid motion, 3d will look janky
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>>133081802
That's about the only big problem, getting it to look good in motion. Setting up the model rigs themselves aren't that hard in comparison.
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>>133078168
i'd rather have this than 3d. even gundam unicorn's 3d was meh at best and bandai poured $$$ into that project.
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>>133081906
Money=/=quality
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it might
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>>133081517
That's how it looks from the most heavily-designed angle. I wouldn't be impressed until I saw a turntable gif. Even that ignores rigging and actual animation which tend to be horribly done in anime.
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>>133078363
>Love Live! CGI
>blatantly lying
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>>133073892
>I do cgi for a living, maybe you should stop by /3/ and argue that this garbage looks good. and then get laughed at.
>>>/3/500539
GET FUCKED, SHITCUNT
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>>133066226
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnIetPo9N6Y

also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-PudD1UrvU
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>>133066226
It's alright.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnE64DbnUzY
And it's 14 years old.
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>>133085729
it's alright because Sakaguchi burned a crazy amount of money and his career with this
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>>133085729
Spirits Within looked like shit and had stiff as fuck animation even for its time.
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>>133085810
And Square as a whole too had Enix not bailed them out. They probably should have let them die an honorable death than become the zombie they are today.

>>133085846
Okay, what's a better looking CGI animation from 2001 or earlier?
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>>133085979
fucking Sakaguchi, if he wasn't a hollywood director wannabe faggot Square would be saved and maybe i would be playing PE3 by now.
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>>133080108
>>133081187
Square Visual Works, to be precise. If you see good looking videogame CG from Japan it was probably done by them.
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>>133086094
You wouldn't, because Square's PE license ended quite a while ago. It was never fully their property.
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>>133086152
i'm considering that The 3rd Birthday would never have existed in first place.
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>>133086094
Well if it wasn't for him Square wouldn't have lived past the 80s.

>Parasite Eve

Why that piece of shit out of all of Square's franchises? Why not a sequel to Chrono Trigger, one that wasn't a gigantic clusterfuck of shit whose only notable accomplishment was taking a rancid dump on the legacy of the first game? Or a follow up to Xenogears which lived up to that game's fullest potential? Or Vagrant Story 2 or Saga Frontier 3 etc.
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>>133086331
because it's one of my favorite franchises ? you're free to choose.
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>>133066226
Black Rock Shooter and Etotama had good CG.
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>>133071406
Overall the graphics in GG Xrd are sweet, but there are brief moments when the animation is...stiff at times.
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>>133070096
Garbage CGI is the worst, but a lot of times I will pick meh CG over meh 2D.

It depends really.

With meh animation, it's too easy to get bored or confused of what's happening on the screen, 2D or CG.
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>>133070963
Pretty much same here.

I am enjoying the speculation of how IBO will go, but the fight from episode 5 was surprisingly garbage outside Eugene's trick and Mika's weird newtype flash.

To be honest the fight with Crank did a lot more with barely as much animation.
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>>133070687
I hope Delta does something other than the ADHD camera from Frontier. I watched that recently and was disappointed. The models actually looked nice, for 10 years ago, but you could barely enjoy them in motion.
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>>133077912
>chuuni dancing
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>>133079397
[citation needed]
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