Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1281

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
If the plan doesn't work, change the plan but never the goal.

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>listening to Japanese audio for listening practice
>its a daughter crawling into her dad's bed and professing her love to him
>mfw I pretend she's talking to me but realize it's just a 30 year old Japanese woman reading lines for a quick buck

>>133054294
Practice your escapism first.

>>133054294
If you're that deep into the escapism you should be way past the point of being fazed by something like this.

>>133054365
I'm not trying to escape I just want listening practice and some dlsite voices are convenient for that, i nfact I got 45 hours of dialogue just from like 15~ or so downloads.

>>133054365
The stronger the illusion, the harsher the cracks.

Living the dream?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcdihyYl7KM

>>133054409
Then try.

I'm at a point where doing kanji reps seems more appealing than studying grammar. Should I slow down with kanji and start catching up with grammar or does grammar become easier after learning more kanji?

>>133054425
>You can rent a walled of room with a computer and internet access.
>Literally 50p a day.

Why haven't I accepted my inner weeb moved to Japan yet?

>どや!
>どやって言われても...

Saw this last thread, seems to be some kind of meme phrase/set reply, but googling doesn't give a single English explanation and it could mean anything with all the context it's used in. Any 2ch faggots know?

お前は日本語を出来ない

>>133054550

>72,000 yen a month, 2,400 yen a day
>50p a day

Learn to count.

>>133054560
How bout don't worry about it unless you actually have the page that it appears on

>>133054612
>100 yen an hour

Sorry I'm retarted.

>>133054646
but I want to know the memes. There's enough google results but again context is hard to grasp with them: https://www.google.com/search?q="どやって言われても"

削 is my fucking nemesis

No matter how many times I see it I always fucking forget what it means

I've been trying to commit this fucker to memory for a week now but I blank out every time

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>>133054564
>日本語を出来ない

>>133054795
Have it and its meaning as your desktop background.

I've been reading Manga raws lately and I keep seeing katakana and hiragana used together. I am a complete beginner, so I thought they were used seperately. What is the exact relationship between the two- and Kanji as well. I guess I didn't understand the guide as well as I thought. I learn best with examples, can someone provide one?

>>133054885
Not that guy but this is a great idea. Though I rarely see my desktop since most of the time I'm on 4chan. Maybe setting it as an oneechan mascot would work better.

>>133054905
A good example would be to go read all of the monogatari series.

>>133054905
Manga that's aimed at younger audiences (shounen) uses hiragana in place of kanji readers might not know

>>133054905
Why didn't you read Tae Kim?

>>133054905

Katakana: Used for foreign loanwoards and also for emphasis
Hiragana: Everything else except kanji, or cases where the kanji is too obscure/author too lazy, or kiddie-speak

Not rocket science. But you probably shouldn't be reading raws yet

>>133054905
All three writing systems are used simultaneously. Hiragana after a kanji are usually verb terminations or so. Look up onyomi, kunyomi, jukugo and okurigana.

>>133054813
Wellington is in New Zealand.
Therefore, Wellington is in New Zealand.

>>133054905
You will see them mixed often with verbs, where the okurigana is in hiragana. Think of it as a means of expressing emphasis. バレる is a common enough example.

>>133055013
>>133055015
>>133055023
>>133055033
That isn't what anon is referring to.

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>>133054795

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R8 handwriting

>>133055154
You drew all your kanji sideways, anon, you need more practice

>>133055140
What does that have to do with a carpenter's plane again?

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Sorry to bug you guys again, but could anyone translate the top panel of this?

>>133055154
shitty computer font/10

>>133055205
This is not a translation request thread, go to /int/

>jisho down
DAAAIIZ

Is there a way to look up words containing a kanji in the rikai lookup bar like you can with jisho by doing "*木* #word #common"?

>>133054698
There's 10 results. That's not a fucking meme dude

キャラクタごとにポスター格１作品ずつ選定

Every character, as a postcard 1 work at a time will be selected.

Am i translating this correctly?

>>133055409

I get 10 pages, guess google is bubbling you because you don't search enough weeb stuff.

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>>133055154
7/10
r8 mine

>>133054612
That's not even that cheap. That's my rent rate in Norway.

>>133055474
Must have mistyped it since I retried and got more. Still, all seem to be quite literal. Unless you have a specific confusing example then I don't know what you expect.

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>>133055641
It'd make sense if it was the person you were calling a stupid ドヤ saying ど... どやって言われても as a defence, but it seems to be used to directly refer to ドヤ e.g. pic related with stupid animals which make up most of the image search for the term.

Maybe they just mean it in the sense of "they'd be a ドヤ even if you told it to their face" I dunno, was just wondering ever since I found this new term.

>>133055813
You seem very confused. Read more.

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> そのダンボールゴミに出す分ですか

What is 分 here? And why is the transitive 出す being used with に?

>>133055563
I admire your autism

I can't write more than a sentence in English without wanting to stop and do any other fucking activity instead, let alone Japanese

>>133055849
Well what else could it be? If it's just the literal meaning as you said, and rarely seems to be used by the person being called a ドヤ顔 surely it's "they'd be a ドヤ even if you told it to their face" or the like.

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Just in case anyone here thought that you could slack off on that Katakana.

どや→どうや→どうだ

I started learning Kanji before hiragana/katakana.

Should I freeze and go back for those, or sorry about them later (after jōyō)?

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>>133055154

>>133055940
I use it to do reps, I try writing the kanji and remembering their pronunciations before checking anki for the answers. It easily ads up, I've got like half a notebook filled.

>>133055990
>どや→どうや→どうだ
Yeah but どや at least is a meme http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E3%81%A9%E3%82%84%E9%A1%94 hence why again all the google image searches for どやって言われても are of smug looking assholes and pets.

>>133055980
t-this manga looks like shit anyway

>>133056110
It isn't.

>>133056038
how do you even learn kanji before kana

>>133056091
Not every word you don't know is a meme
ドヤ顔 refers to the type of face you'd make while saying どや=どうや=どうだ

>>133056164
being a chink I guess

>>133056071
This is the kind of writing you don't want to read.

>>133056164
I don't know? I just did/am?

>>133056200
No, I'm a burgerlander

>>133056038
No, no. Carry on. Master all the kanji before even thinking about looking at kana.

>>133056207
No, it's the kind of writing you /have/ to read.

>>133055855
Punctuation is often left out in manga.

>そのダンボール、ゴミに出す分ですか

Given that 分 is a portion or fraction, can you figure it out now?

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Is there a new link for the deck, cos the one here doesn't work
http://pastebin.com/GTT1bgm9

>>133056196
Fuck it I give up on memes.

>>133056344
thanks for the super qt picture bro

>>133055980
>thought that you could slack off on that Katakana
People seriously do this? What's the point? You're already learning 2000 other characters anyway?

>>133054560
comes from ドヤ顔

>>133056333
>Given that 分 is a portion or fraction
No, it's understand.

>>133054795
is pretty fucking easy on wanikani

a triceratops uses his ribs to WHITTLE DOWN the moon, why would he go so far as to rip out his ribs just to whittle down the moon, he could have just used his horns?
There's a SACK (さく) of gold in there and he just can't wait to get it

>>133055445
No One?


キャラクタごとにキャッチコピ・ポスター格１作品ずつ選定

My idea is that it means

For every character 1 work will be selected as a poster or Catch Card

Am i right?

>>133055980
I hate katakana. I don't get it, hiragana are fucking easy, kanji aren't a problem, but when I hit katakana, my mind breaks down.

Because I know. It's going to be some butchered English loanword with a completely stupid meaning and pronunciation that's not even remotely similar. I've been studying for a fucking year, and I still hate them.

>>133056544
This is retarded.

>>133056491
ゴミに出す分 = Portion meant for throwing in the garbage.

>>133056544
I'm that anon, and what the fuck did I just read

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>>133056627
that's the whole point, the more retarded something is, the harder it is to forget

also you stop recalling the mnemonics 2 days in anyways, unless you're completely lost

>>133056689
triceratops, ribs and moon are the radicals

>>133056782
Why use names for radicals that have nothing to do with the meaning?

>>133056782
>that's the whole point, the more retarded something is, the harder it is to forget
Maybe if you have a learning disorder
>also you stop recalling the mnemonics 2 days in anyways
I memorize the mnemonics word for word for years, but it takes minutes on end to go from mnemonic to concept. RTK was a complete mistake.

>>133056689
Some god awful mnemonic. What blows my mind is A: they didn't even bother giving "organ plus small" its own radical when it shows up in a bunch of kanji, and B: they use RIBS as the name for the ソ looking motherfucker? It's a fucking variant of 刀, you stupid retards.

>>133056816
they need to slow your process with the radicals so they invent a lot of them

it's a paid service after all

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>>133056248
>Master all the kanji before even thinking about looking at kana.

>>133055980
I had a native fuck with me while chatting and she sent me 2 sentences worth in pure katakana

It had some names mixed in and was a fucking nightmare to read

>>133056910
they also need to slow your progress because their SRS system "undoes" a rep when you fail instead of resetting the quality of the card

>>133056948
that's not so bad, I set anki to do something similar, set the cards to 20% of the time instead of resetting everything

>>133056689
not the guy you were talking to, but, I use WK too and it makes sense after you're used to it, no matter how retarded something sounds, and I can remember whatever it is I'm reading quite easily.

>>133057016
20% is basically undoing two reps instead of one

>>133055968
>person being called a ドヤ顔 s
You don't call someone a ドヤ顔. That doesn't even make sense. ～と言われても means "even if you say so", or more literally "even if I'm told that... (what can I do about it?)"

>>133057020
Not only are you making extremely slow progress, you're actively hampering your understanding of the kanji by using complete bullshit radicals. Mnemonic based systems are fine, but not when they tear out all of the original hints and meanings. I bet it doesn't even mention that radicals often determine readings, it's overly simplistic garbage that's even worse than RTK because it's heavily restricted and costs money.

>>133056544
Not even RTK is this fucking gay.

>>133057119
it does
it often tells you "this has the same reading as this because the right half is the same as of this kanji you already know"

not saying it's perfect but having a kanji vocab learning combination is nice

>>133057020
The radical on the right of 削 is the sword radical. That's a good name for it from a memorization point of view because it appears as an 意符 a lot of the time. Not only that, but if you ever want to talk about radicals it's better to know the name they actually go by than some random name that has nothing to do with its meaning.

I can't fathom a single good reason why somebody would call that rib and not sword. There are only downsides. It even looks more like a blade than it looks like ribs.

>>133057229
There are much better options that are also free. Seriously, doing something like treating sword to the side as a completely different radical is absolutely insane, I can't imagine what they've done with shit like 水 and the left side of 浬.

>>133057345
>There are much better options that are also free
like what?

>>133056038
No, the path less traveled will make what doesn't kill you stronger. You will become a wizard of weeb in this doggy dog world.

Are there any Japanese accents harder to understand than others?

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>coding a crawler to aggregate common words from jisho
>forget to set concurrency limit, sends 1k requests at once
>down

S-sorry...

>>133057546
Literally *any* anki deck

>>133057546
You think I'm here to help out someone stupid enough to pay for a fucking website? Send me 10 bucks, and I'll help you out, you dumb fucking retard.

>>133057671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWyED8-c6f0
yes

>>133057715
no problem, I noticed it was down and just switched to tagaini jisho

>>133057715
kek

good job desu senpai baka sjw

>>133057735
What the fuck? This isn't Japanese right? This is horrible.

>>133057780
>they unfiltered sjw
But why, I expected it to get filtered.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>133057815
I imagine because a certain board would riot if their favorite scapegoat was filtered.

>>133057723
WK does have better mnemonics than any anki deck, unfortunately.

>>133057896
This conversation is literally already about how incredibly awful its mnemonics are.

If you're desperate for mnemonics just use an RTK deck. I don't even like RTK, but it's much better than what you're doing now.

>>133057671
Tsugaru-ben (津軽弁) is the classic example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZWDCEiHu0w

>>133057810
just never go to okinawa and you're fine

>>133057723
I use anki alongside it
I would have probably done RTK if it came with vocab and some readings at a reasonable pace
wk takes almost no effort and I always have 95% correct rate

Can I say 子供から辛い食べ物を食べています like I can say 15さいから... or does it literally mean "I am eating spicy food from children".

>wake up
>listen to Japanese audio, relaxing while an onee-san purs words of love into my ears
>stretch and open up a visual novel, engage in a compelling story for hours
>decide it's time to get serious and bust through hundreds of anki reps
>as a reward for successfully finishing, open up a nukige and enjoy a relaxing, easy story of eroticism
>almost time for bed, browse 2ch and niconico until the weariness grows too heavy
>sleep, resting well with the knowledge that 14+ hours have been spent interacting with Japanese
The average Japanese-learning NEET's day

>>133058027
子供の頃から

>>133056491
Where do these cretins come from?

>>133058129
RTK

>>133058079
>wake up
>30 minutes of anki
>45 minute commute, listening to audio lessons in car
>shitpost on 4chan for 4 hours at work
>15 minute anki review during lunch break
>shitpost on 4chan for four more hours
>45 minute commute, more audio lessons or more usually Japanese media eg music etc
>watch anime until bedtime
>one last anki review

>>133058117

Thanks.

Actually, could I just say 若いから？

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>>133058296
>no reading

>>133058313
No. Use the same principle. 若い頃から. Though I don't remember hearing that expression as much as 子供の頃 or ちいさいころ. Not that it means much coming from a non-native.

>>133058079
You forgot recording everything snugly in your cute diary ragamuffin.

How many hours on average does /djt/ sleeps?

>>133054550
You won't get a work permit to live in a net cafe and work part time.
To immigrate you'll either need a decent paying job or a spouse in Japan.

>>133058385
I'm still learning vocabulary :c

>>133058454
9

>>133058454
5

>>133058027
Are you actually trying to say you have been eating spicy food since your were a kid, or that you are eating food you received from kids?

>>133058454
7~8

>>133058454
4~5

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>>133058079
>>133058296
>wake up, breakfast while doing some listening practice
>anki
>fap, saving everything I enjoy
>賢者タイム
>second-guessing my lifestyle, deleting all the porn again
>reading/listening the rest of the day
>some more optional anki

>>133056233
The readings of kanji are written in kana, what exactly did you learn about those kanji, mate?

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>>133058585
>deleting all the porn again
In my case I save tons and tons of porn (i.e. nukige and h-games written in Japanese) and then have a fucking great time reading through them and making progress and not second-guessing my lifestyle at all.

The only time I feel bad about this at all is when I fap for four times a day or so in fervor at all the great porn there is in Japanese and the resulting headache and dickache far exceeds my unending arousal.

>>133057810
That's uchinaguchi, prewar Japanese government tried their hardest to kill it and now it's endangered.

>>133058006
Most okinawans don't actually talk like that nowadays.

Word of the day: 正常位

>>133057815
They didn't, it's only filtered for ALL CAPS

SJW

>>133059300
oh, they actually did unfilter it.

>>133058079
>wake up at the crack of noon
>waste entire day staring at computer screen and accomplishing nothing
>procrastinate all day
>finish reps at 4AM
>read for 5-15 minutes
>go to sleep

List of kanji in core 6k that aren't in the new joyo list?

>>133058796

I wish someone could replace steve with DJT's pic.

>>133059581
Install Kanjigrid, sort by jlpt grade and see for yourself.

>>133059657
Don't have a core deck

>>133058667
The meanings?

東京特許許可局
とうきょうとっきょきょかきょく

>>133058079
>wake up around 4pm
>spend an hour or two on 4chan
>play some games for a few hours
>watch anime while reading 4chan for the rest of the day
>go sleep around 9am
Such is the life of a NEET who is too lazy to study Japanese

>>133059996
Long compound words, wow, shock

What the hell is スチュワーデス　From

>>133060060
Stewardess?

>>133060060
From the english word "Stewardess"

>>133060060
>stewardess


holy shit

>>133059581
>>133059813
Can you clarify? Is this what you wanted http://pastebin.com/qCCDgLa5

>>133060523
Does that include the old jouyou not in core2k/6k?

>>133060523
Kind of the opposite, I want everything that's still not in joyo but is present in core 2k/6k

Is there a way to increase font size of just kanji in firefox?

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>>133060574
No, just the new jouyouy. I know what you mean now though.
http://pastebin.com/geu1G4ns
>>133060696
Ohh.
http://pastebin.com/3UBZvSTx
>>133059655

>>133060781
Thanks fiend

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Watashi....watashi...

Now that Jisho is kill, anyone know of a good offline dictionary?

>>133058500

The first one.

Sorry for the late reply. I am ごめん

>>133061236
http://classic.jisho.org/

can 一人で　be used for "by him-/her-/them-self" ? Or is it strictly "by oneself/myself" ?

How many of the joyo do I need to know before I can start trying to read basic stuff?

>>133061688
0, read a manga with furigana instead of nothing

>>133061676
it literally just means "alone"

>>133060863
そのキャラクターはガラクタだよ

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>>133061822
I bet you like kuroneko don't you. Actual best girl is pic related.

>>133061968
どっちも太ももないからダメだ

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Is something wrong with my PD? It ain't downloading shit.

>>133062424
Show the information tab

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今日は毎日使うバースに三人日本から旅行者が入った、そして、その三人と片言日本語で語った。

これは初めて日本人と語る、気持ち良かった。

やっぱり日本語を話せるようになる事ができる。

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>>133062470

>>133062424
did you just start it?
it needs to download some amount of GB of random stuff before it actually works
I believe it was either 4GB or 20GB

>>133062493
defer to >>133062500

>>133062500
>>133062542
uhhh okay

kinda suspicious if you ask me but i don't mind being in the botnet of a nip overlord if it means i get my 同人音声

thanks

>>133062596
perfect dark is a distributed data storage program

It goes out of its way to not give data to people that want it if they don't upload any.

Basically it's meant to keep out shitty leechers

>>133062596
>kinda suspicious if you ask me
it's "probably" fine if you're outside of Japan and not hosting anything, only a couple of guys have been arrested for it in Japan and none overseas.

still, using closed source file sharing software that downloads random data and has huge amounts of actual cp on there doesn't seem like the smartest idea to me

>>133062687
So, why exactly does it need to make you download 20 GBs of malware before letting you use it?

>>133062596
Being in the said botnet means your PC can be storing bits and pieces of 3DPD cheese pizza, though.

>>133062785
Because otherwise literally everything on the system would become "Scarce" and impossible to download.

>>133062785
So other people can download that shit if they need it.

>>133062796
as long as it's not the full thing i guess

>>133062843
It's /usually/ not the full thing, and it's encrypted in such a way that you can't access it.

If you're in the USA, you're probably protected under the same laws that protect TOR relay nodes.

>>133062785
It's just forcing you to seed stuff.

働かざるもの食うべからず

>>133062989
働きたくない
面倒臭い
どうでもいい

>>133062989
働いたら負け

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>the core deck in the guide is down ;-;
>http://pastebin.com/GTT1bgm9
>help

Word of the day: 万里の長城

「中国のでっかい壁」よりずっとかっこいい名前じゃないか

ところで、昨日はなんの言葉も提供しなくてすみませんでした

>>133059113
また偽者が出たか

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Jesus Christ, what's this shit?

>>133059996
東京特許許可局局長、急遽、供給許可却下

>>133063813
>>133057715

>>133063813
broken css, reload

>>133063813
https://twitter.com/jisho
+ >>133057715

>>133057715
Well done, bellend. Why don't you build a little mechanical crawler and stick it in your arse next time?

Never forget the day /a/ "accidentally" DDOSed jisho.

>>133063997
>DDOSed
just DOSed

>>133063600
That's out of date. Check the OP again.

Do you guys know any parser like Jisho?
Having to copy word per word is a pain in the ass.

>>133064084
rikai can do edict->anki or edict->tab-separated-space text and then import that into anki

>>133064058
I'm retarded thanks bro.

>>133062989
めしを食べなければ死ぬ、という言葉は、自分の耳には、ただイヤなおどかしとしか聞えませんでした。その迷信は、（いまでも自分には、何だか迷信のように思われてならないのですが）しかし、いつも自分に不安と恐怖を与えました。人間は、めしを食べなければ死ぬから、そのために働いて、めしを食べなければならぬ、という言葉ほど自分にとって難解で晦渋で、そうして脅迫めいた響きを感じさせる言葉は、無かったのです。

>>133063872
Fucking China god damn

>>133057815
It's not Halloween any more so spoopy wordfilters are no longer relevant.

>>133064084
You can export studied words from Tagaini Jisho.

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neat

Is there an approved starter deck that doesn't have 6k?

>>133065509
>not deleting 6 unseen cards to make it exactly even
No dedication give up you can't learn Japanese

>>133065610
Doing 2k/6k and then stopping when you get to 2k to make your own mining deck.

>>133065844
Only an aspie would care about something like that.

>>133065882
I don't want to have something I'm not going to use.

Basically >>133065962

>>133065882
Why would anyone stop at 2k and start mining only?
It's better to keep going on, even if it's just small amounts per day

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What does your mining deck template looks like?

>>133066084
Yeah, it's better to combine mining with 6k.
Most of the words in it are extremely useful.

I feel like I'm going to have trouble remembering vocab and the reading. The way I'm doing it now is previewing the card in browse mode, writing down the word/reading/meaning, saying it a few times. Then I go do the card and go 10 min > 30 min > 1 day.

Is there a better way? Like studying a certain amount of cards the day before then doing them? Looking for options/different ways people have had success with retaining vocab.

>>133064160
だざいより、リチャード・バックがすきなんだよ。

骨と皮だけでもへいきさ。おにいちゃん

>>133066284
What do you mean by better? You could get better retention by staring at the same word for 5 hours if that's all you care about.

>>133066084
Because he said he doesn't want to do 6k, and the most commonly recommended alternative to that when using a premade deck is stopping at 2k (or at least slowing down) and shifting your vocab focus to mining.

>>133066158
Most of the words in it are common enough that you'll come across them in reading anyways, so it doesn't really matter too much as long as you're actually reading. Just up to personal preference I guess.

>>133066284
I hit the "Study now" button and go 10 min > 1 day and it work fine to me. Modifier is also at 150% so I don't get swarmed by reviews. Was tough for the first 3 months or so, but now it's effortless.

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>>133066284
I've been doing this and its fucking amazing.
Set new cards to 5, grind them for 5-10 minutes.
Add 5 more, grind for 5-10 minutes.
Continue until desired amount of cards a day is met.

>>133066408
And how many cards a day do you do with this method?

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>really enjoy the main girl's voice in an anime
>it sounds so different from every other voice I've heard
>sounds so normal
>want to listen to more of her
>it was her only anime role

>>133066470
If you want normal, there's tons of normal people who would love to talk to you. Have at it.

>>133066284
Why not set a interval of something like 10min > 30min > 1 day > 2 days?

It makes it so you are forced to come back to it at least two days in a row

>>133066462
20.
Those + reviews take me about 1 hour.

>>133055154
Obvious gaijin/10

>>133067157
Gaijin or third grader

>>133067278
Third graders will stay on the fucking grid and write them in order.

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>>133055154

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http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/yomi/yomi.html

I'm currently 1st year in college majoring Japanese along with French
I'm ahead of the class atm and my professor's a bitch so I don't wanna ask her
I heard that you generally read words made out of entirely kanji with the on'yomi way, and words that contain both kanji and kana with the kun'yomi way
Is that true?
Then how about gaijin and koibito?
They're both entirely made out of kanji but one uses on and the other kun
Sorry for not posting runes I'm on my phone right now.
Could it be that gai and jin are two words fused into one and that's why?

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>>133068750
おにいちゃん、それネイティブ用のげえむだよ
第二外国語の手に負える難易度ではないんだよ。おにいちゃん

desu senpai

>>133068859
Not everything follows the 'rule' 100%. Kanji alone is generally Kun, Kanji with hirgana is generally Kun, Kanji together is generally On. But there are always some exceptions.

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>>133068859
>I'm currently 1st year in college majoring Japanese along with French

>>133068956
そんなこと言わないでくれ
ネイティブじゃなくても漢字はできるんだ、こいつみたいに
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJf1IXAupmY

>>133069229
よりによって浜松ですか
あたしも含めて、変な人が住みやすい街なことは確かですよ

>>133068859
>majoring Japanese along with French
>majoring two useless languages
I hope you like flipping burgers

東京に8年間住んでたんだけど、なんか質問ある？

>>133069432
日本人ですか

>>133069185
Are you so neet that your brain can't imagine taking something you like and you're good at and bring it into your future career?
French is like the most desired language right now (at least where I'm from) and I like Japanese because I'm a huge fucking weeb.
After learning both those languages I'll be able to speak 5 different languages

>>133069185
I swear to god, if someone tried to do that to my son, I'd knock them the fuck out.

>>133069465
当然違う

>>133069499
Where you at?

名無しさん、聞き取りのために何を聞く？
面白いものを探してるけど何を聞いていいかってわからない

>>133069554
Anime, VA'd VNs, Music, general Youtube shit.

>>133069554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHuz-ebtSpU

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>>133069229
>ブレッドさんね、漢字を好きになったきっかけみたいなのあるんですか
>高校生の時私、部活としてアニメーションクラブに入っていました
驚いたといえる人はいないと思うね

>>133069499
>After learning both those languages I'll be able to speak 5 different languages
Always fun to meet a fucking retard.

>>133069532
Romania
Yuropoors are in desperate need for french speakers and translators
Japanese might be somewhat useless but it doesn't hurt to learn something you like
My other options were arab, italian and spanish and all of those make me throw up a bit

>>133069554
Anime is all you need

>>133069659
You're fine. The anti-language-as-a-major sentiment is based pretty much completely on how it works in the USA and a lil bit of how it works in the UK.

>>133069554
アニメ、字幕無し。
最初は半分聞き取れないとしても、どんどん上手になる。
練習として、まず、よく知っているアニメを見たら？

ってゆうか不思議、普通は200-300タイトルを見ればそこそこ聞き取れるはず、漢字と違って。
漢字が分かるのに、聞き取れないってどういうこと？？・・

>>133069659
Wouldn't Arabic be good for the future?

>>133069698
Not really the case here. It's actually your best bet if you can't into math.
Even with math, best you can do is computer science which is a stupidly rough major to do here. Everything that isn't computer science is poorly paid

>>133069851
>Even with math, best you can do is computer science which is a stupidly rough major to do here. Everything that isn't computer science is poorly paid
This stuff really gets at me. Over in the USA, computer science is unreasonably oversaturated. A CS major itself is worthless. Yet across europe, they're consistently more useful.

>>133069499
The most desired language is chinese, senpai.

>>133069904
>everyone says CS is big bucks, loads of jobs, huge growth
>get CS degree
>no no, the huge demand is only for VETERAN developers because of the start up communities
>literally nobody wants to invest in rookies except the top .001% that get hired by google

>>133070035
>He didn`t do monkey coder shit jobs for resume line during college.

>>133069737
まあ、アニメを見ってるけど、ほかのことをやってみたい。今俺はそんなに悪く無いと思うけど、大量の練習の材料を使っていつも再生して聞くで、もっとうまくなるのはどうかな

>漢字が分かるのに、聞き取れないってどういうこと？？・・

多分速度と聞き違いやすい言葉がたくさんあるんだと思う

>>133068859
That shit should be explained in the very first lesson, how the fuck did you went "majoring" Japanese for 2 months and still don't know how kanji work?

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>>133070111
母音が多すぎて早すぎるんだよねえ。

>>133070008
Completely agreed. Too bad the college I'm going to didn't have it this year because almost everyone ended up dropping out in year 2, or I would've picked it up in a heartbeat instead of French. Maybe even JP, but I'm too much of a weeb to be sure

>>133069698
I honestly hate that whole "major only in big buck fields instead of what you're interested in" attitude, people should learn whatever the fuck they want.
Still, I don't really think you need university to learn a language.

>>133069499
You would be much better off getting a useful degree and learning languages on the side.

>>133070379
>I honestly hate that whole "major only in big buck fields instead of what you're interested in" attitude, people should learn whatever the fuck they want.

Until such time as you can get a job that pays enough to pay off your loans and put a roof over your head by studying whatever you want, that won't happen.

>>133070196
One month.
People are still stuttering hard at kana. Class just finished lesson one of genki I. They didn't teach us any kanji yet. I know about 35-ish kanjis so far but never understood the exact rules of reading. It's all clearer now though

>>133069554
電波ソング

>>133070456
>pay off your loans
He fell for it! He took out a student loan!

>>133070496
>major in whatever the fuck you want
>don't take out student loans

does not compute

>>133070463
Better start doing a core deck on anki and reading yotsubato if you actually want to learn the language

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>didn't bother to learn kana
>didn't bother to learn readings
>didn't bother to learn writing

focusing on reading kanji made so much sense at the time

>>133070662
>>didn't bother to learn kana
How does this even work.

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>>133070662
How exactly did you focus on reading kanji if you didn't learn their readings?

>>133070456
Doesn't America has scholarships?

>>133070715
reading as in literacy

readings as in speaking

>>133070662
Go learn Chinese.

>>133070740
Not really.

>nearly 7 in 10 graduating seniors in 2013 – 69 percent – left school with an average [debt] of $28,400

>>133070456

Depends if you went to a public or private school. And what state you live in.

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>>133070662
>>133070744
>今日も一日がんばるぞい
Now day も one day　がんばるぞい
Is this how you read it?

>>133056344
Can I politely bump this

>>133070777
That's a big debt. Still, even with my 3rd world income on a job I got without any degree at all that would take like 3 years to pay off, even if I have to cut down on anime merchandise, video games and trips to Japan for those 3 years.

>>133070898
been ages since I used that deck. Is this it?
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/722065315

>>133070777
>>133070740
Or, rather, there's many scholarships, but they don't even approach covering the full cost.

Most people end up paying about half of sticker price, after scholarships, via loans.

Of those, a plurality (possibly a majority?) are subsidized by the government, in that the government pays the interest. In either case you're on the hook for the principal.

School and major choice play a roll, but just for example, the absolute cheapest school in my area is a community college that will run you (just checked) $1500 / semester for a full-time student. Two semesters a year gives you $3,000, which means if you work part-time at minimum wage year-round or full-time over the summer you can just afford it, assuming you have zero other expenses. That, however, leaves you with only an associate's degree, which is only of mild usefulness. Good luck getting a bachelor's degree which will cost absolute minimum 3x that, and only then if you go to the absolute cheapest in-state school and are lucky enough to live in a state where said school is exceptionally cheap.


>>133070962
>That's a big debt. Still, even with my 3rd world income on a job I got without any degree at all that would take like 3 years to pay off, even if I have to cut down on anime merchandise, video games and trips to Japan for those 3 years.

You're going to pay off $30k in three years? Do you live at home and eat on your parents' dime or something? What percentage of your income would that take?

Most grads are on 10-year repayment plans, some are on 30.

>>133070520
Public education is free up to college where I live so you could graduate in the best colleges of the country without paying a single dime. The education as a whole is shit though, so even that wouldn't mean much.

>>133070895
Now sun 罅 one sun 籄뱆摆靃쵃踏

>林檎
Do I really need to know that "apple" has kanji when all normal people are using kana to write it?

>>133071167
Where do you live?

>>133071217
The land of the hues.

>>133071191
People who write your chinese picture books aren't normal people.

>>133071187
Yeah, you fucked up.

>>133071236
Achei que esse era o caso.

>>133071191
It's 3 trees in a row followed by a tower of kanji

>>133071191
りんご in kanji is fairly common.

>>133071338
Well fuck.

>>133071329
Pelo menos pra achar trabalho dentro do Brasil ou como trampolim pra estudar no exterior um diploma de uma universidade pública renomada tem algum valor. Também abre as portas pra um cargo público decente. Ainda acho melhor do que os Americanos que quase invariavelmente saem da faculdade com uma dívida que levará anos para pagar.

>>133071150
>What percentage of your income would that take?
50%, I get about 2k monthly and 50% of that is completely disposable because of my frugal lifestyle. Normally I spend those on plastic anime girls, but I'd totally pay off some debts with it if it means I had a chance to fuck around studying some bullshit like archaeology for 5 years before having to work this thankless job.

>Do you live at home and eat on your parents' dime or something?
I'd like to, but I don't have parents.

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>>133071338
読めるけど何回か練習しないと書けないね
そして一週間もするとまた書けなくなっちゃう

>>133071510
どうせ「距離」の「離」の偏を覚えるんでしょう、そうしゃたら「林檎」は簡単なものだ

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>Leave reps too late again
>I won't be able to do the new cards nor finish off the RTK reps which have built up

This is not progress

>>133071878
I spent my rep time yesterday jerking off 5 times, wound up skipping new cards for the day. Always feels like shit.

I never miss reps though. Just keep yourself awake for another hour and do them.

俺はサラリマンじゃなく無職。

From One Punch Man, the phrase is pretty straight foward, but what is that く there instead of い？

I'm so glad Anki hasn't managed to make me feel like shit. You poor bastards.

>>133071878
I haven't done my reps in 2 weeks. Fucking uni assignments man

>>133072212
I am unemployed that is not an officeworker
vs
I am not an officeworker, unemployed

>>133072212
Continuative form of the i-adjective.

>>133072248
Only feeble faggots complain about Anki.

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>>133071785
普段書かない字形は忘れちゃうんだよう
にんげんは機械じゃないし
あたしは林檎農家じゃない

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それに、りんごって、なまえのほうでよばない？

>>133072368
>>133072332
Ah didn't know about that particular form, thank you.

>>133073148
りんごはりんごだ
みんな同じ
違うのは色だけだ

>>133073679
こんにちは、イギリスのおにいちゃん

>>133073732
あめりかじんだよ、いもうと

>>133073754
>>133073732
this is just painful to read

Does anyone have a good app recommendation for learning intermediate Japanese, and kanji? I'm In college level Japanese 3 and id love some apps that have quizzes I could do on the train. Paid apps are ok.

>>133073825
Why?

>>133073873
Anki, what the fuck else would you need?

>>133073873
All you need is Anki.

>>133072368
Not him, but is there any particular difference between the continuative form and the te-form?

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>>133073754
あめりかでは、みどり色のりんごはなんと呼ぶの？

もちろん、青りんごだよね？

>>133073933
If you're willing to pay money, there are probably some programs far prettier than Anki.

I don't know about any because I just use Anki.

>>133074170
>paying money
Dude, why.

>>133074170
Funny thing is that there really isn't.

>>133074085
They're completely different concepts. The te-form can be used to link two clauses together just like the continuative can, but I can't think of any other similarities.

The te-form and the continuative form of i-adjectives look similar coincidentally but they're not related.

>>133074152
グラニースミスだよ

>>133060781
Your data is incorrect. The follow are missing from the Core2k/6k dataset:
http://pastebin.com/2bgUn8CA

Check the data here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AscWM0WNU3s4dHE3R0M0VG5JMndrMEpiNTdnRjhtYnc#gid=0

>jlpt in 34 days

I'm doing N2 for the first time.
I believe I'm pretty good on my japanese.
I'm able to read, speak, and write at an ok level.
I've been grinding stickystudy for the past 6 months to improve my kanji a lot more.

Besides that shit, any test day tips I should take note of?
Like if they repeat listening sections, or what items am I allowed to bring to the test site etc?

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>>133075037
My data is correct, at least for the Core2k/6k *Optimized* deck. And, notice that your pastebin says that Core2k/6k doesn't have 六. What? It has 1-5, 7-10, but not 6? Are you sure something isn't up on your end?

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>>133075037
I also don't know how significant it is that I'm using a fairly old Core2k/6k and you are apparently using the new-age "Kore".

>>133074170
Anki can be styled and formatted using HTML, CSS, Javascript, LaTeX, jpg/png images, mp3 audio, mp4 video, etc. It is what you make of it.

>>133075125
>I'm doing N2 for the first time.
Good luck man.

>>133075190
I gave you a link to the data. You can check it yourself. That is the exact data which was ripped from iKnow/Smart.fm to create the Core2k/6k decks.
>And, notice that your pastebin says that Core2k/6k doesn't have 六
That was a copy/paste error. Take the data from that spreadsheet and analyse it.

>>133075330
>That was a copy/paste error.
No thanks, if your method was so poor that you failed on 六, I don't want to touch your data with a 10 foot pole. And it remains that it's possible that we are operating on different data sets among a myriad of other factors. My data is correct for my deck's data. Your data is, aside from the unknown number of errors, maybe correct for your data.

>>133075327
>and you are apparently using the new-age "Kore".
It was called Kore before it was Core. That spreadsheet is based on the originally ripped data sets from the iKnow program. See above for the appearance of 六. Feel free to use the data.

>>133075405
>I don't want to touch your data with a 10 foot pole
That is the data which was used to make the Core2k/6k decks.
>Your data is, aside from the unknown number of errors, maybe correct for your data.
It isn't my data. This is what koohii ripped from iKnow/Smart.fm and created the Core2k/6k decks from. You do understand that these decks predate DJT, right? The data you are borking at it is what the Core2k/6k decks are based on. Look it up if you want.

https://sites.google.com/site/ankinihongo/home/kore

>>133074590
スミスばあちゃん・・・ほわい　うさ　ぴーぷる

夜廻の意味は何ですか？
読む方って「よまわり」

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I know its tiny and this is probably entry level but I can't figure out what this kanji is. Any help would be appreciated!

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kana is literally harder to learn than kanji

>>133075941
How so?

>>133075930
惨

>>133075930
You can make out the radicals from that 惨

>>133075930
惨

>>133075970
kanji has a meaning I can connect it to

kana has nothing, I have to remember it just by recalling the sound / phonetic letters

it's so hard

When you refer to people in the past, do you use あの人 instead of その人？

「ふ」というひらがな こう かいてください。
How do I know its こう instead of ああ？

>>133076112
It's less about past and more about how you associate it with the speaker. In most cases, it would be あの人 because the person you are talking to is in the present.

>How do I know its こう instead of ああ？
The person is writing it. It's "write it like this".

>>133075880
It's a name of a video game about a girl going around at night.
Means roughly "going arout at night".

>>133076235
ah, okay. but how do we know the speaker is writing it. How do we know hes not pointing towards a random ふ and not saying ああかいてください？

>>133076028
Well, it may be easier short term, but it will be completely insubstantial in a week or so.
Once you get it down and start reading shit forgetting the kana would be impossible, but good luck keeping that 乖 in your memory for the whole 3 years it takes you to see another word that uses it,

>>133076412
Because he said こう. I'm not sure what you're asking.

What's the reasoning behind a "mature" card being based upon the duration between seeing it?

That is, it becomes mature when it is assigned a due date 21+ days out.

>>133076528
On the question, you had to choose between writing 　こう or ああ. And こう is the correct answer.

>>133076576
Either context or just a bad question

>>133076576
こう sounds more natural. Think of all the times you'd say it while writing something. If you had a blank there, naturally こう should come to mind.

That said, there's nothing grammatically incorrect about ああ. If you had two people standing far away from a third person, and the third person is writing kanji on a board, one of the two people could say to each other ああ書いてください. That'd be perfectly valid, it's just more contrived.

>>133075880
>夜廻

When you know the onyomi of both kanji, and meaning of each, what is your guys method to make sense of combinations?

編集、調査、修理
make sense when read together, I can look at a sentence and figure what is being said without knowing the explicit definition

but sometimes you get shit like

手伝い、途端、

might not be good examples but anyone get what I'm getting at?

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どやぁ

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>>133076633
>>133076639
>bad question
>That'd be perfectly valid
Fuck the jlpt so hard. But okay, if its writing, if the person is writing it, itll most likely be こう