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>listening to Japanese audio for listening practice
>its a daughter crawling into her dad's bed and professing her love to him
>mfw I pretend she's talking to me but realize it's just a 30 year old Japanese woman reading lines for a quick buck
I'm at a point where doing kanji reps seems more appealing than studying grammar. Should I slow down with kanji and start catching up with grammar or does grammar become easier after learning more kanji?
Saw this last thread, seems to be some kind of meme phrase/set reply, but googling doesn't give a single English explanation and it could mean anything with all the context it's used in. Any 2ch faggots know?
I've been reading Manga raws lately and I keep seeing katakana and hiragana used together. I am a complete beginner, so I thought they were used seperately. What is the exact relationship between the two- and Kanji as well. I guess I didn't understand the guide as well as I thought. I learn best with examples, can someone provide one?
Katakana: Used for foreign loanwoards and also for emphasis
Hiragana: Everything else except kanji, or cases where the kanji is too obscure/author too lazy, or kiddie-speak
Not rocket science. But you probably shouldn't be reading raws yet
Wellington is in New Zealand.
Therefore, Wellington is in New Zealand.
You will see them mixed often with verbs, where the okurigana is in hiragana. Think of it as a means of expressing emphasis. バレる is a common enough example.
That isn't what anon is referring to.
Sorry to bug you guys again, but could anyone translate the top panel of this?
It'd make sense if it was the person you were calling a stupid ドヤ saying ど... どやって言われても as a defence, but it seems to be used to directly refer to ドヤ e.g. pic related with stupid animals which make up most of the image search for the term.
Maybe they just mean it in the sense of "they'd be a ドヤ even if you told it to their face" I dunno, was just wondering ever since I found this new term.
What is 分 here? And why is the transitive 出す being used with に?
Well what else could it be? If it's just the literal meaning as you said, and rarely seems to be used by the person being called a ドヤ顔 surely it's "they'd be a ドヤ even if you told it to their face" or the like.
Just in case anyone here thought that you could slack off on that Katakana.
I use it to do reps, I try writing the kanji and remembering their pronunciations before checking anki for the answers. It easily ads up, I've got like half a notebook filled.
Yeah but どや at least is a meme http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E3%81%A9%E3%82%84%E9%A1%94 hence why again all the google image searches for どやって言われても are of smug looking assholes and pets.
Is there a new link for the deck, cos the one here doesn't work
is pretty fucking easy
a triceratops uses his ribs to WHITTLE DOWN the moon, why would he go so far as to rip out his ribs just to whittle down the moon, he could have just used his horns?
There's a SACK (さく) of gold in there and he just can't wait to get it
I hate katakana. I don't get it, hiragana are fucking easy, kanji aren't a problem, but when I hit katakana, my mind breaks down.
Because I know. It's going to be some butchered English loanword with a completely stupid meaning and pronunciation that's not even remotely similar. I've been studying for a fucking year, and I still hate them.
that's the whole point, the more retarded something is, the harder it is to forget
also you stop recalling the mnemonics 2 days in anyways, unless you're completely lost
triceratops, ribs and moon are the radicals
>that's the whole point, the more retarded something is, the harder it is to forget
Maybe if you have a learning disorder
>also you stop recalling the mnemonics 2 days in anyways
I memorize the mnemonics word for word for years, but it takes minutes on end to go from mnemonic to concept. RTK was a complete mistake.
Some god awful mnemonic. What blows my mind is A: they didn't even bother giving "organ plus small" its own radical when it shows up in a bunch of kanji, and B: they use RIBS as the name for the ソ looking motherfucker? It's a fucking variant of 刀, you stupid retards.
>Master all the kanji before even thinking about looking at kana.
not the guy you were talking to, but, I use WK too and it makes sense after you're used to it, no matter how retarded something sounds, and I can remember whatever it is I'm reading quite easily.
>person being called a ドヤ顔 s
You don't call someone a ドヤ顔. That doesn't even make sense. ～と言われても means "even if you say so", or more literally "even if I'm told that... (what can I do about it?)"
Not only are you making extremely slow progress, you're actively hampering your understanding of the kanji by using complete bullshit radicals. Mnemonic based systems are fine, but not when they tear out all of the original hints and meanings. I bet it doesn't even mention that radicals often determine readings, it's overly simplistic garbage that's even worse than RTK because it's heavily restricted and costs money.
it often tells you "this has the same reading as this because the right half is the same as of this kanji you already know"
not saying it's perfect but having a kanji vocab learning combination is nice
The radical on the right of 削 is the sword radical. That's a good name for it from a memorization point of view because it appears as an 意符 a lot of the time. Not only that, but if you ever want to talk about radicals it's better to know the name they actually go by than some random name that has nothing to do with its meaning.
I can't fathom a single good reason why somebody would call that rib and not sword. There are only downsides. It even looks more like a blade than it looks like ribs.
There are much better options that are also free. Seriously, doing something like treating sword to the side as a completely different radical is absolutely insane, I can't imagine what they've done with shit like 水 and the left side of 浬.
>coding a crawler to aggregate common words from jisho
>forget to set concurrency limit, sends 1k requests at once
This conversation is literally already about how incredibly awful its mnemonics are.
If you're desperate for mnemonics just use an RTK deck. I don't even like RTK, but it's much better than what you're doing now.
just never go to okinawa and you're fine
I use anki alongside it
I would have probably done RTK if it came with vocab and some readings at a reasonable pace
wk takes almost no effort and I always have 95% correct rate
>listen to Japanese audio, relaxing while an onee-san purs words of love into my ears
>stretch and open up a visual novel, engage in a compelling story for hours
>decide it's time to get serious and bust through hundreds of anki reps
>as a reward for successfully finishing, open up a nukige and enjoy a relaxing, easy story of eroticism
>almost time for bed, browse 2ch and niconico until the weariness grows too heavy
>sleep, resting well with the knowledge that 14+ hours have been spent interacting with Japanese
The average Japanese-learning NEET's day
>30 minutes of anki
>45 minute commute, listening to audio lessons in car
>shitpost on 4chan for 4 hours at work
>15 minute anki review during lunch break
>shitpost on 4chan for four more hours
>45 minute commute, more audio lessons or more usually Japanese media eg music etc
>watch anime until bedtime
>one last anki review
>wake up, breakfast while doing some listening practice
>fap, saving everything I enjoy
>second-guessing my lifestyle, deleting all the porn again
>reading/listening the rest of the day
>some more optional anki
>deleting all the porn again
In my case I save tons and tons of porn (i.e. nukige and h-games written in Japanese) and then have a fucking great time reading through them and making progress and not second-guessing my lifestyle at all.
The only time I feel bad about this at all is when I fap for four times a day or so in fervor at all the great porn there is in Japanese and the resulting headache and dickache far exceeds my unending arousal.
>wake up around 4pm
>spend an hour or two on 4chan
>play some games for a few hours
>watch anime while reading 4chan for the rest of the day
>go sleep around 9am
Such is the life of a NEET who is too lazy to study Japanese
No, just the new jouyouy. I know what you mean now though.
I bet you like kuroneko don't you. Actual best girl is pic related.
Is something wrong with my PD? It ain't downloading shit.
perfect dark is a distributed data storage program
It goes out of its way to not give data to people that want it if they don't upload any.
Basically it's meant to keep out shitty leechers
>kinda suspicious if you ask me
it's "probably" fine if you're outside of Japan and not hosting anything, only a couple of guys have been arrested for it in Japan and none overseas.
still, using closed source file sharing software that downloads random data and has huge amounts of actual cp on there doesn't seem like the smartest idea to me
It's /usually/ not the full thing, and it's encrypted in such a way that you can't access it.
If you're in the USA, you're probably protected under the same laws that protect TOR relay nodes.
>the core deck in the guide is down ;-;
I feel like I'm going to have trouble remembering vocab and the reading. The way I'm doing it now is previewing the card in browse mode, writing down the word/reading/meaning, saying it a few times. Then I go do the card and go 10 min > 30 min > 1 day.
Is there a better way? Like studying a certain amount of cards the day before then doing them? Looking for options/different ways people have had success with retaining vocab.
Because he said he doesn't want to do 6k, and the most commonly recommended alternative to that when using a premade deck is stopping at 2k (or at least slowing down) and shifting your vocab focus to mining.
Most of the words in it are common enough that you'll come across them in reading anyways, so it doesn't really matter too much as long as you're actually reading. Just up to personal preference I guess.
I hit the "Study now" button and go 10 min > 1 day and it work fine to me. Modifier is also at 150% so I don't get swarmed by reviews. Was tough for the first 3 months or so, but now it's effortless.
I've been doing this and its fucking amazing.
Set new cards to 5, grind them for 5-10 minutes.
Add 5 more, grind for 5-10 minutes.
Continue until desired amount of cards a day is met.
>really enjoy the main girl's voice in an anime
>it sounds so different from every other voice I've heard
>sounds so normal
>want to listen to more of her
>it was her only anime role
I'm currently 1st year in college majoring Japanese along with French
I'm ahead of the class atm and my professor's a bitch so I don't wanna ask her
I heard that you generally read words made out of entirely kanji with the on'yomi way, and words that contain both kanji and kana with the kun'yomi way
Is that true?
Then how about gaijin and koibito?
They're both entirely made out of kanji but one uses on and the other kun
Sorry for not posting runes I'm on my phone right now.
Could it be that gai and jin are two words fused into one and that's why?
Not everything follows the 'rule' 100%. Kanji alone is generally Kun, Kanji with hirgana is generally Kun, Kanji together is generally On. But there are always some exceptions.
>I'm currently 1st year in college majoring Japanese along with French
Are you so neet that your brain can't imagine taking something you like and you're good at and bring it into your future career?
French is like the most desired language right now (at least where I'm from) and I like Japanese because I'm a huge fucking weeb.
After learning both those languages I'll be able to speak 5 different languages
Yuropoors are in desperate need for french speakers and translators
Japanese might be somewhat useless but it doesn't hurt to learn something you like
My other options were arab, italian and spanish and all of those make me throw up a bit
Not really the case here. It's actually your best bet if you can't into math.
Even with math, best you can do is computer science which is a stupidly rough major to do here. Everything that isn't computer science is poorly paid
>Even with math, best you can do is computer science which is a stupidly rough major to do here. Everything that isn't computer science is poorly paid
This stuff really gets at me. Over in the USA, computer science is unreasonably oversaturated. A CS major itself is worthless. Yet across europe, they're consistently more useful.
>everyone says CS is big bucks, loads of jobs, huge growth
>get CS degree
>no no, the huge demand is only for VETERAN developers because of the start up communities
>literally nobody wants to invest in rookies except the top .001% that get hired by google
Completely agreed. Too bad the college I'm going to didn't have it this year because almost everyone ended up dropping out in year 2, or I would've picked it up in a heartbeat instead of French. Maybe even JP, but I'm too much of a weeb to be sure
I honestly hate that whole "major only in big buck fields instead of what you're interested in" attitude, people should learn whatever the fuck they want.
Still, I don't really think you need university to learn a language.
>I honestly hate that whole "major only in big buck fields instead of what you're interested in" attitude, people should learn whatever the fuck they want.
Until such time as you can get a job that pays enough to pay off your loans and put a roof over your head by studying whatever you want, that won't happen.
People are still stuttering hard at kana. Class just finished lesson one of genki I. They didn't teach us any kanji yet. I know about 35-ish kanjis so far but never understood the exact rules of reading. It's all clearer now though
>didn't bother to learn kana
>didn't bother to learn readings
>didn't bother to learn writing
focusing on reading kanji made so much sense at the time
How exactly did you focus on reading kanji if you didn't learn their readings?
Now day も one day がんばるぞい
Is this how you read it?
That's a big debt. Still, even with my 3rd world income on a job I got without any degree at all that would take like 3 years to pay off, even if I have to cut down on anime merchandise, video games and trips to Japan for those 3 years.
Or, rather, there's many scholarships, but they don't even approach covering the full cost.
Most people end up paying about half of sticker price, after scholarships, via loans.
Of those, a plurality (possibly a majority?) are subsidized by the government, in that the government pays the interest. In either case you're on the hook for the principal.
School and major choice play a roll, but just for example, the absolute cheapest school in my area is a community college that will run you (just checked) $1500 / semester for a full-time student. Two semesters a year gives you $3,000, which means if you work part-time at minimum wage year-round or full-time over the summer you can just afford it, assuming you have zero other expenses. That, however, leaves you with only an associate's degree, which is only of mild usefulness. Good luck getting a bachelor's degree which will cost absolute minimum 3x that, and only then if you go to the absolute cheapest in-state school and are lucky enough to live in a state where said school is exceptionally cheap.
>That's a big debt. Still, even with my 3rd world income on a job I got without any degree at all that would take like 3 years to pay off, even if I have to cut down on anime merchandise, video games and trips to Japan for those 3 years.
You're going to pay off $30k in three years? Do you live at home and eat on your parents' dime or something? What percentage of your income would that take?
Most grads are on 10-year repayment plans, some are on 30.
Public education is free up to college where I live so you could graduate in the best colleges of the country without paying a single dime. The education as a whole is shit though, so even that wouldn't mean much.
Pelo menos pra achar trabalho dentro do Brasil ou como trampolim pra estudar no exterior um diploma de uma universidade pública renomada tem algum valor. Também abre as portas pra um cargo público decente. Ainda acho melhor do que os Americanos que quase invariavelmente saem da faculdade com uma dívida que levará anos para pagar.
>What percentage of your income would that take?
50%, I get about 2k monthly and 50% of that is completely disposable because of my frugal lifestyle. Normally I spend those on plastic anime girls, but I'd totally pay off some debts with it if it means I had a chance to fuck around studying some bullshit like archaeology for 5 years before having to work this thankless job.
>Do you live at home and eat on your parents' dime or something?
I'd like to, but I don't have parents.
>Leave reps too late again
>I won't be able to do the new cards nor finish off the RTK reps which have built up
This is not progress
I spent my rep time yesterday jerking off 5 times, wound up skipping new cards for the day. Always feels like shit.
I never miss reps though. Just keep yourself awake for another hour and do them.
Does anyone have a good app recommendation for learning intermediate Japanese, and kanji? I'm In college level Japanese 3 and id love some apps that have quizzes I could do on the train. Paid apps are ok.
They're completely different concepts. The te-form can be used to link two clauses together just like the continuative can, but I can't think of any other similarities.
The te-form and the continuative form of i-adjectives look similar coincidentally but they're not related.
Your data is incorrect. The follow are missing from the Core2k/6k dataset:
Check the data here:
>jlpt in 34 days
I'm doing N2 for the first time.
I believe I'm pretty good on my japanese.
I'm able to read, speak, and write at an ok level.
I've been grinding stickystudy for the past 6 months to improve my kanji a lot more.
Besides that shit, any test day tips I should take note of?
Like if they repeat listening sections, or what items am I allowed to bring to the test site etc?
My data is correct, at least for the Core2k/6k *Optimized* deck. And, notice that your pastebin says that Core2k/6k doesn't have 六. What? It has 1-5, 7-10, but not 6? Are you sure something isn't up on your end?
I also don't know how significant it is that I'm using a fairly old Core2k/6k and you are apparently using the new-age "Kore".
>I'm doing N2 for the first time.
Good luck man.
I gave you a link to the data. You can check it yourself. That is the exact data which was ripped from iKnow/Smart.fm to create the Core2k/6k decks.
>And, notice that your pastebin says that Core2k/6k doesn't have 六
That was a copy/paste error. Take the data from that spreadsheet and analyse it.
>That was a copy/paste error.
No thanks, if your method was so poor that you failed on 六, I don't want to touch your data with a 10 foot pole. And it remains that it's possible that we are operating on different data sets among a myriad of other factors. My data is correct for my deck's data. Your data is, aside from the unknown number of errors, maybe correct for your data.
>and you are apparently using the new-age "Kore".
It was called Kore before it was Core. That spreadsheet is based on the originally ripped data sets from the iKnow program. See above for the appearance of 六. Feel free to use the data.
>I don't want to touch your data with a 10 foot pole
That is the data which was used to make the Core2k/6k decks.
>Your data is, aside from the unknown number of errors, maybe correct for your data.
It isn't my data. This is what koohii ripped from iKnow/Smart.fm and created the Core2k/6k decks from. You do understand that these decks predate DJT, right? The data you are borking at it is what the Core2k/6k decks are based on. Look it up if you want.
I know its tiny and this is probably entry level but I can't figure out what this kanji is. Any help would be appreciated!
It's less about past and more about how you associate it with the speaker. In most cases, it would be あの人 because the person you are talking to is in the present.
>How do I know its こう instead of ああ？
The person is writing it. It's "write it like this".
Well, it may be easier short term, but it will be completely insubstantial in a week or so.
Once you get it down and start reading shit forgetting the kana would be impossible, but good luck keeping that 乖 in your memory for the whole 3 years it takes you to see another word that uses it,
こう sounds more natural. Think of all the times you'd say it while writing something. If you had a blank there, naturally こう should come to mind.
That said, there's nothing grammatically incorrect about ああ. If you had two people standing far away from a third person, and the third person is writing kanji on a board, one of the two people could say to each other ああ書いてください. That'd be perfectly valid, it's just more contrived.
When you know the onyomi of both kanji, and meaning of each, what is your guys method to make sense of combinations?
make sense when read together, I can look at a sentence and figure what is being said without knowing the explicit definition
but sometimes you get shit like
might not be good examples but anyone get what I'm getting at?
>That'd be perfectly valid
Fuck the jlpt so hard. But okay, if its writing, if the person is writing it, itll most likely be こう
The only way to know for sure is know the word, there's no way around it.
夜廻 is just a chuuni variation of 夜回り, the developers of the game even put furigana on the box so people get it right.
A lot of the JLPT questions are there to test reading flow and your ability to associate words, not to analyze what might fit in a blank. This is why reading experience is much more valuable than grinding vocab.
While reading the first bubble in this, I thought the circled part was her leg and it took me a second to realise what it was. Thought someone had drawn some QUALITY
I kinda want to try it, but the guide says the site is intended for japs, so probably the vast majority of people there have no interest in speaking to katakotonihongo-speaking gaijins
What are your experiences with buying used manga on Amazon / other places? How was the quality? Any advice / recommended sites to import from that accept US credit cards & addresses?
>tfw life is now defined by studying japanese
>wake up early, do reps, go to work
>read news articles in japanese on lunch break
>return from work, read manga and vns in japanese
>raid with nip buddies while speaking japanese
>masturbate to doujins in japanese
>go to sleep
What is everyone reading tonight? The thread is about to die.
// /djt/ study method
} while (!fluent(getFluencyLevel()));
>20 reps in
>Correct answers on mature cards: 4/7 (57.1%)
haha off to a good start
So if -ていた is used for 'was doing' such as I 'was eating' with 食べていた vs simple 'I ate' with 食べた、then what's the point of negative past tense -て form? E.g. 鍵を掛け忘れてた、'I was forgetting to lock the door'? Yet from what I've seen such is used to refer mostly to simple past tense, e.g. 'oh shit I forgot to lock the door'.
ていた means "was in a state of", doesn't necessarily mean a longer action
for example 彼はもう帰っていた
he was in the state of having returned home already
in better english: He had been at home already (when I bla bla bla)
Yeah, I get the positive usage, it's the negative (act) usage that seems a bit odd like with that 鍵を掛け忘れてた example I posted. Though I just realised that's not the negative form as such but a negative act (neglecting to do something) so I fucked up my earlier post I see now.
I've seen that used again just by a character somewhere the moment they simply remembered they forgot to lock their door or the like. In English you'd just use simple past there, "I forgot to lock my door"/鍵を掛け忘れた, so just wonder what 忘れてた adds there.
in the moment they say it they realised they had been forgetting it all up to now, if you translate it that information will be lost because in English you don't say it like that
just stop translating and think in Japanese
>they realised they had been forgetting it all up to now
Ah that kind of makes sense.
>think in Japanese
>I had forgotten to lock the door
Sounds like some sort of past-tense narration to a police officer or something though, again from what I've seen it's used the moment they forget when in English you'd just say "I forgot oh shit"/etc. But I guess that'd be closer to a literal TL thinking about it, thanks.
>proven to work
no, he doesn't fuck women, he just abuses the fact that those girls are too well mannered to make a fuss in public, but they all think "this filthy gaijin better get lost soon"
It's literally guys like that that make Japanese women turn away from foreigners
I'm glad he got the backlash he deserved
Manager, how about a date after this?
Forgive me for the usual exemplum.
At annnny rate, this IS just a part-time job.
Can someone please correct this? I just don't feel right about it.
Ahhh, that first sentence clears up quite a bit.
Exemplum's not my word. Based on other usages I've seen now since looking it up for like 8 minutes makes it seem like a cautionary metaphor or a warning of advice.
other can be image, sentence, whatever I feel like using to help me memorize better
>not the kind of person who can focus while sleep deprived; anything outside of the range of 7-9 hours of sleep or so fucks me up
>wake up after a restless five hours of sleep
>need to take a long nap later, then wake up from the nap (this leaves me more out of it than I would be after waking up from a good eight hour sleep)
>don't stop feeling drowsy and get started on Japanese studies until 2 hours or so before it's time to go to bed
I really need to set a consistent sleep schedule where I'm in bed by a certain time and up at a certain time. This has easily done more damage to my Japanese studies than anything else. I'm not kidding when I say that I might have an N1 certificate on my wall right now if not for this shit.
>7 hours of sleep
>don't take thirty minutes before I start reading
>lots of anki
>listening on top of that
So I'm going through Tobira textbook I got from the CoR, but for some reason in this scan there are missing pages every chapter, all on grammar notes section, which is the most fucking important one. Anyone has a better scans of this or I am shit out of luck? What intermediate textbook would you recommend instead?
I kinda want to take screenshots of the VNs that I'm reading and use those as the images.
That would require me to take myself out of the reading a lot, though. The effort probably wouldn't be worth the return.
>no text hooker that basically does what Rikai auto-import does but also takes a screenshot on top of that
I don't know of many other LNs that aren't fantasy or aren't super difficult to read though. Maybe saekano. I'll probably just go through all the SoL anime I've watched and see if they were adapted from an LN.
I mostly only do that with words that are hard to describe or take a long time to in words
like the one above or 絶対領域
just having an image is much faster, and I just recall the mental image during the reviews and it takes 0.5 seconds for the card instead of reciting the whole text
>no text hooker that basically does what Rikai auto-import does but also takes a screenshot on top of that
That would be pretty cool, but extremely hard to implement. Something like an anki extension that adds a picture from the clipboard to the last created card on a hotkey is probably possible.
Or maybe you won't even need an extention, lemme think about it.
Durara? It got some fantasy elements, but the language is pretty normal for the most part.
This, my mined cards and core cards are mixed anyway.
The easiest way to go about it is just add
to the card template, that will show a picture named the same as this card from your collection.media folder.
All you have to do now is figure out the least intrusive way to name your screenshots appropriately.
Just make it so that you only have to press 1 key to save a screenshot into a folder, and it shouldn't bother you too much. You can sort it when you're finished reading or during your free time.
Sorting out a folder full of pictures after a long ass reading session sounds like absolute nightmare, to be honest. I'm thinking the best way to go about that is a screenshot utility that gives you "save as" dialogue as you hit the hotkey, you paste the word you just mined, hit enter and bam: you got your card with a cute little picture without much work and can continue reading. Gotta try that once I get some sleep.
You don't need to drink until you're completely shitfaced. Just a few glasses, enough to relax and enjoy the mood.
For all of my health problems, alcohol doesn't really cause me any issues at all. There are no alcoholics in my family, either, despite some of them being heavy drinkers.
Even if [she's/I'm] a waning idol talent,
I won't allow this kind of work!
顔に ヤケドでも しろってか
Hyeah! In order to image change,
I have to burn off my face!
Wait, I'm not doing that!
Can someone verify this for me and/or tell me what I'm fucking up here?
>drinking alcohol home alone
I don't see how that would be fun, do you guys actually enjoy alcohol?
I only drink it when I'm obligated to and even then I find the people I drink with to be more enjoyable than the drink itself
birthday parties and the like, saying a toast together, etc.
I never really enjoyed consuming something to feel a specific sensation.
You feel happy but you aren't happy, completely useless if you ask me
Well, you can always toast with a soft drink or whatever.
I don't drink, and people never complain about it.
Also, consuming something in order to feel a certain way is completely normal. For example, coffee makes you more "active".
>coffee makes you more "active"
the only effect coffee has on me is that I have to pee.
I also quite often take a nap after drinking coffee
Guess everyone feels stuff like this differently