We need to decide the borderline between NSFW and SFW in /a/
I was about to tell you to bugger off, but then I noticed
Oh shit. Well, isn't it already established? Anything that belongs to an actual anime or manga series that isn't adult is fine.
Dumps are also not allowed.
Just make /a/ a NSFW please Hiro-kun.
It will solve all problems and there should be no complaints.
Let up post nipples but we'd have to spoiler them. Come on Hiro
Well for the longest time the rule of thumb has been don't click a SPOILERS tag if you don't want to see NSFW content. I think it works.
it's just moot all along
How do you think these?
/a/ is not a fucking /e/ or /h/.
If the image is officially from manga/anime and has nudity, it's okay.
If it's fanart shit then it's not okay.
We've had this running for years like so, now set it in stone.
Please just allow non-coitus images to be spoiled, but actually explicit (E.G in-sex acts) should be blocked.
This means we would not be punished for nudity found in visual novel games or anime and manga, but porn/hentai would be punished.
Picture is example.
just keep the NSFW in spoilers or mentioned in thread OP and no dicks or penetration.
I really dont mind getting promoted though.
>Only countries should have borderlines.
Anything in spoiler should be fine. That's kind of what it is there for, if dumb asses are browing 4chin at work, which is stupid enough already, then clicking on spoilers themselves, they deserve to be promoted.
If you're worried about children looking at the stuff, tough luck, they have the entire internet for that, one board on one site isn't going to protect them from vaginas and nipples.
All fucking ban. This is /a/, not /e/ or /h/.
1: Too NSFW
2: Should be spoilered.
3: Should be spoilered. (Illegal in some countries.)
4: Too NSFW.
5: Should be spoilered.
6: Should not be allowed. (Very NSFW, very Illegal).
Thank you for reading Hiroyuki.
Genitalia seem to come under the obvious NSFW category. Overtly sexual acts in regard to secondary sex characteristics, like breasts, seem also to simply be NSFW. But it doesn't seem like the consensus is that nipples are NSFW so long as nothing overtly sexual is happening.
Since this is a question of consensus, people can either affirm or deny whether they think this is or should be the case.
P0n0s or Vag00: Not OK!
>mushi mushi Hiro desu ka?
>"hai hia i troll /a/ again lol"
Please don't take the NSFW / SFW labels seriously in /a/.
/a/ has always been NSFW even though it is a blue board. It's just that we anons don't want to make it "official" because it will attract image porn dumps and render /h/, /e/, /y/, and all the other lewd anime related boards useless.
We should be able to show naked girls, since its not uncommon for airing anime to show that, but anything with penetration or deliberately sexual belongs in /h/
I mean if for instance, we were having a TTGL thread and someone posts a fanart of Yoko with her tits out, just let it happen man
1st thread is not okay. Fanfic porn as the OP image. That's double infraction.
2nd thread is fine, but that image isn't. It's not related to the manga or the anime.
3rd thread not okay, not from an anime and OP picture.
4th thread is fine, except for that particular image.
And so it goes. If it's porn, unrelated, or on OP's image, it's not allowed. Otherwise, it's fine.
Crosses the line into NSFW, but it's very close to the line. Also party van bait.
Just barely NSFW. It belongs in /h/, really.
[ARREST WARRANT ISSUED]
None of these are anime, by the way. All hentai or fanart.
Can't we just say porn is penetration unless the penetration is some heavily censored hentai page or something?
Does anybody actually come to this site with the expectation of no pornographic material?
Basically, if there's genitals then it's ban-worthy
That's about it
This twisted board needs to be reset (to before nipplemod's autism)
But then people will start posting spoilered porn dumps on /a/. That'll just bloat it for people who actually want to discuss anime, and make for people who want to masturbate and are too lazy to go /h/
If you want to post lewds, at LEAST keep it related to one particular topic, and no genitals. Man and woman nipples are both fine, spoilered or not, as long as they are part of an anime or manga discussion.
Why not add new spoiler
New spoiler will mean NOT SAFE FOR WORK (NSFW). Porn behind it.
Normal spoiler used for normal images. So you know not to click NSFW spoiler.
新しいスポイラーはWORK （ NSFW ）のための安全ではありません意味します。その背後にポルノ。
If it's from an anime, manga, LN or any other official non-hentai source it should be okay.
If it's from hentai, fanart, or anything else unofficial it should be considered not okay.
If it has detailed genitalia it's not okay regardless of course.
Spoil if you aren't sure. Delete images instead of bans, you want to stop dumps, not ban anons for fucking up a spoiler once in a while.
Obviously NSFW. (Genitals)
NSFW. Bodily fluids.
NSFW. (even Hentai in the Title)
I guess, you should stop trying to clarify this and focus on preventing Hentai being posted. Is this really that hard?
Anything relevant to the discussion or hilarious should be okay if it's spoilered.
Anything posted just to dump porn should go to /h/.
Every mod without a sense of humor should be taken out back and shot.
allow nipples and butts, since that what non-hentai anime show too
just don't allow penetration or maybe vaginas
If someone wants to posts a lewd fanart or something in a general (with spoiler warning) it should be totally fine and not bother anyone
They're cancer, but they're not particularly offensive, so no reason for banning. Just filter them and move on.
If people start posting lewds with genitals, THEN you start taking action.
I think nipples should be alright if spoilered. Genitals should be okay as long as they're spoilered too. Sometimes you can show genitals without having them be too bad, but if you start showing actual sex then it'd be too much. I guess it just needs to be tasteful nudity.
Pictures like this
No vag, no penis
Butt too but again, no vagina.
Cameltoe and bulges are borderline, but should be fine.
Generally it should all be behind spoilers.
BDSM porn fanart, bad.
Bestiality fanart with sexual fluids and explicit sex, bad.
Actual art from a Hentai Artist, bad as an OP, but may be permissible in a porn discussion thread talking about that artist, Rustle, behind spoilers
Sex with an X-ray shot, bad.
Actual hentai page, may be permissible in a thread specifically discussing porn or the book it came from, but probably bad.
Toddlercon with genitals, bad.
This guy is just a faggot trying to rock the boat.
These examples aren't really borderline.
Fanart isn't permissible, but if the work of the anime or manga contains nipples it should be fine. If it contains genitals then it's a hentai at that point. Whether it's fine to discuss hentai here though is another topic entirely.
I second this motion. Seems like the best option but at the same time blatant hentai should be kept to /h/. I could see people here having NSFW threads here just for posting doujin shit
Lol, that would have been as epic as when some guy called m00t a newfag.
Ok, but it should have been spoilered
NG. Belongs on /h/. It even talks about hentai artists.
I don't think that's allowed on any board
The thread itself was shitposting
Nipples = If it's not fan or H sourced.
Vagoo/donuts = Figs might have these on rare occasion for some reason, otherwise there shouldn't be any content with it aside from the occasional puffy vuvuzela in ecchi anime.
Dicks = Only if it's dildo attachments for nendos.
Sounds about right?
Ban people who do dumps. Make dumping a bannable offense. Make any thread that is full of nothing but porn deletable and bannable for people who contributed to just post porn. Who discusses anime here anyway? Most of the threads are just SFW image dumps of BEST GIRL OF RESPECTIVE SERIES or whatever. I don't see what difference it makes if they post a fucking naked picture of her or a clothed picture of her or a almost naked picture of her. It's all meaningless drivel and the only instance it's not allowed is if her nipples show.
/a/ has always been NSFW. The only reason this board isn't red is to prevent it from drowning in shitting dick nipples.
no porn but all that got released as non-h is gogo. Make NSFW tag for more rique stuff
>If you want to post lewds, at LEAST keep it related to one particular topic,
I would like to agree with you.
But many hentai images have been posted in /a/
I'm not sure what you guys want..
Obvious sexual content not allowed. It is that simple. MODs just need to do their fucking jobs. I shouldn't be banned for posting kid Goku's privites from a manga made for kids from 1989. Grow the fuck up Hiro, you dumb nip.
No nipples, I believe the way it worked before was fine
/a/ sometimes forgets itself and doesn't realize there are several other boards designed for the type of dumps they wish to use
>we need to make the borderline clear for you and mods.
When in Doubt: How often has it been reported? Is it a Porndump? Is Hentai mentioned?
/e/ exists so that /a/ is not swamped.
(Though /a/ should still be able to talk about Ecchi-Manga)
let's keep things lax and try to avoid banning people for something that is not a big deal
if something gets reported 30 times it probably means /a/ doesn't want it around and that's fine to delete
Hiro, just keep it the way it is/was. We can post anything from a show, if necessary spoilered.
This is a site for pedophilic gooktoons. Anybody who is a retard and actually browses in public or at work deserves to be publicly shunned so who cares if you post tits or not.
The ONLY important thing is to make sure people cannot do porn dumps. You don't have to make them not able to post a picture with tits for this.
Let nipples rock.
I mean, what sort of idiot is browsing 4channel at work/in the public, and opening spoiler tags?
Let those fools dig their own grave and let /a/ be /a/ again.
This is an anime board. We should not be splitting up anime into several different boards based on how lewd they get.
So long as it is not hentai and is official, it's fine. Lewd fanart belongs in a NSFW image dump board. Doujins should be heavily censored if they are to be posted at all. Hentai is also to be heavily censored.
I mean if it's actually in the anime it should be allowed no matter what as long as it's not a hentai anime (in which case /h/). When its fan art though of anime shows I think it should be allowed as long as it's spoilered and doesn't show genitals (censored should be fine even if its sex if spoilered but the censor needs to be more than a single thread covering vagina entrance). If it's fan art of non /a/ related images it should be deleted if it's sexual.
We don't even really know what we want. I think most people are against posting hardcore NSFW images, but finding an exact borderline that everyone agrees with will probably be difficult.
Hi Hiroyuki, here's what I propose. Issue a ban if the image contains genitals or if it is an image with nipples that is not spoilered. Do not issue a ban if there is no real nudity or nipples as long as it is spoilered.
Hentai images can get deleted, no one will complain.
But what if the hentai image is censored? I don't know.
Still: Nipples OK IF it's from non-H manga. Sex OK if it's from non-H manga. (Spoilered).
NOT from non-H manga or non-H anime, = delete.
I have been banned for this image before.
I was very sad.
No lewd fanart. Nothing you wouldnt see on a woman walking down the street in a decent neighborhood
other images like screencaps can include nipples and butts but nothing more.
people can take it to fucking /e/ otherwise, I dont know why anons cant use another damn board for their porn
We can still post sad pandas, right?
Pic related, best tags
Not necessarily at the same time though
Well, that's a case of conflicting opinions. I can't really help with that. /a/'s userbase is too large. These threads are mostly for people to give suggestions to you, so you can decide on a best course of action.
He's talking about get threads. If you see a thread with people spamming "get" or "check this 5", delete it IMMEDIATELY, hiro. Please.
As a general rule, if it was published in an anime that is not classified as hentai, I will feel free to post it in /a/, with a spoiler tag, as /a/ is about anime and it appeared in an anmie. Perhaps what we really need is another tag for adult content, with like, a happy kitten on it or something. Also, any thread with the adult tag used gets the NSFW color added to it as an added precaution.
I meant NSFW=delete/ban
>Masturbation (no genitals shown)
Kill la Kill for example. Totally SFW
>Sex (no genitals shown)
Just normal scenes like in live-action TV shows. Totally SFW
I've seen people posting things like nipples many times.
/a/ has never been a truyle SFW board.
But users here have self moderation.
this is how it was worked always.
Honestly i don't see the issue hiro, at this topic, /a/ it's fine as it is.
hentai dumps should be banned.
hentai threads should be okay, as long as it doesn't turn into a dump of the hentai being talked about. Scattered images/webms/gifs should be fine, since most hentai is censored to begin with, it being in spoilers would be fine to me.
how bout this? allow nipples IF they are a pic/webm/gif from an actual anime (not hentai) but not fanart or etc.. Additionally it can be spoiler tagged (or you could add a nsfw tag)
Thank you for posting.
THis webm >>132732178<< is the borderline. Anything more explicit than this is an instant ban. Anything less is fine as long as spoilered. Whether this in particular is crossing the line, you decide.
If it is from an anime or manga that is not marked as a hentai it should be fine. If it contains something that looks like its pushing it you should spoiler it (we are all supposed to be 18+ here, you should know when it is appropriate or not.). Fan art shouldn't contain anything that should even call for a spoiler.
Can we past trap nipples?
SFW means safe for work. Meaning if you opened it at your job where they monitor network traffic or your boss saw it, you would not be fired.
It's a pipe dream to get people to follow the rules but /a/ should strive for this ideal.
There are plenty of other boards for people to find erotic fan art on and no reason someone can't make a thread in those boards for a particular manga or anime.
Hire new mods.
The old ones are terrible.
3.Borderline of NSFW and SPOILERED, most likely the other but yeah not good for some countries
4.Yeah, Definitely NSFW
6.Extremely NSFW and Illegal in most countries
It sounds like hiro wants directions he can give to mods and janitors, for future reference.
I say it should be simply lewd official artwork from anime or manga is okay, but no hentai artwork unless censored. No genitals in general, nipples are fine.
This guy, while having an obvious fetish for midriff and thighs, has a generally good idea.
As long as you don't derail threads with dumps or anything of the like, it's all fine.
Threads that are only lewd pictures should be banned, but posting them elsewhere should be fine as long as there arent too many. There was never really a problem to begin with, I don't know why you decided to stir this whole thing up.
To be honest, I think it might be worse then usual just as a retaliation to the mod that went overboard in the deletions. This board has been up for a while and we never had any large issues. It's just a little unstable right now due to the changes and actions of some mods.
Why the fuck should we strive for the ideal to support normalfags being able to shit up the board with their real lives?
Who cares if porn is posted. Just don't let it turn into dumps. Mods should be smart enough to handle that.
I mean if it enables people to post nsfw then I don't think it belongs here.
Like those loli threads with the Henreader sleepover image that's spammed here every day. It just enables eventual lewd being posted.
This is a board for discussion of syndicated anime and manga. The shows and comics we're discussing have to follow public decency laws. Anything that can't air on TV or be sold to minors belongs on /h/ or otherwise.
People who post NSFW images on this board are shitlords who know they're breaking the rules and they should be removed.
hiro can i post this?
been banned for this a time ago
let's keep things lax and try to avoid banning people for something that is not a big deal
if something gets reported 30 times it probably means /a/ doesn't want it around and that's fine to delete
>How can we prevent them?
By actually banning people who break rules.
And make /e/,/u/,/h/ and other /a/-related boards actually viable. Unless people realize they actually can discuss things on their proper boards, /a/ will never get better.
Discussion of hentai series goes to /h/
Topics seen as 'image dumps' can be deleted, like how topics seen as 'requests' can be deleted on /h/, /e/
Images of 3d pornography are BAN
Hiro san please consider this idea.
/e/ is for posting a lot of porn in a dump.
/a/ is for discussion with posts of images.
So if a thread is made on /a/ and the thread is discussion and not porn dump then why is one picture NSFW a problem?
We can tag it with spoilers so the picture will not be visible unless clicked.
Please hear this out.
This fixes the problem.
Posting whole porn doujin=bad.
Posting one NSFW picture of anime for discussion if spoilered =ok ?
Thanks a lot for trying to clear this.
You are a good admin Hiro san.
Give us our daily nipples
I honestly don't think it's something to be heavily, overly enforced. No outright hentai threads obviously but nudity isn't pornography outright and I'm honestly not that worried about offending delicate american sensibilities and their weird ass nudity phobia.
Why is it so hard to make nipples ok as long as they're spoiler? And ban the rest
NSFW flag and anything can go behind that on SFW boards.
We should definitely try this first before anything else, because it's simple and easy for both users and 4chan staff.
Further restrictions can be added later if necessary.
Are you insane? We have /b/, /h/, /u/, /y/, /cm/, /e/, /d/, /aco/ and /gif/ for hentai, do we really need to turn /a/ into another porn dump board?
I don't even
What kind of weird bastard would say no to nipples?
I think "implicit sex" needs some clarification just so mods don't fuck it up with interpretations, but other than that this is good.
Some fucking anime can't be aired on TV you retard, so are we not allowed to discuss blu-rays becuase of your decency laws?
You know what else you can't do on TV? Call a person a faggot ass mark ass nigger who should be hung by a noose. I hope you die faggot.
There's three cases.
Actually part of source material:
Seikon no Qwaser
Images from show or officials works itself are fine, should be spoilered if NSFW, but if it's from the series it should be allowable.
No go if NSFW. If it only shows nipples though it's debatable.
One question must be answered first. Is the discussion of hentai works allowable here? /h/ is mostly a dump board and refrains from it usually. Discussion ends up here as a result. If directly talking about a certain work, I think posting single pages is okay, but never dumping.
But nipples are life. People get depressed when they see breasts without nipples.
That's good shit hiro.
But I don't need guro and loli cunny popping up on worksafe boards. Everyone's already suspicious I don't need any additional explaining
HIRO LOOK AT THIS >>132732356
And also this pic
The nipples are winning
>I'm not sure what you guys want..
Discussing current and previous Non-Hentai Anime-Series / Manga Series without getting stuff pertaining the Discussion deleted.
(Guideline: Filename / Series-name | Manga-Page that does not look like Hentai | Or is a recurring Discussion about a Non-Hentai Manga)
(You could also count how often something has been reported, as a signal that this would need greater scrutiny.)
The thing about these threads is that they'll never get anywhere since there's so many conflicting opinions.
Hiro's english is already not that great, and then you have all these people screaming "YES!" "NO!" "YES!" over and over.
So at this point, I'll just say: Hiro, do what YOU think is right. Because at this rate, you'll never get a good grasp at the general opinion.
Spoiler tag should be used. People should be banned otherwise. People are going to post regardless but the rule of thumb should be SPOILERS tag. If not they'll get reported and should be banned. /a/s pretty much always used spoilers tags for NSFW stuff so why not just make it official
>May I hire more and more mods for deleting and banning?
I think /a/ needs more mods.
>training time would be less, and quality would become lower.
That is not a price I am willing to pay.
If there's Genitalia involved
NG, but is this okay?
>Everything was OK before
>Suddenly it's a problem
Literally why. Everything was fine. Is it anime or manga, but NSFW? Sure post it, just use a spoiler! If it's NOT anime/manga, then it's a problem. It's how it's always been just leave it.
I had no idea that you could even wonder about this shit.
Hiro, could you please post anime and manga on an anime and manga board? Why do you always post pics related to travelling?
Also, I'm fine with anything slightly erotic not being banned if spoilered. Spoilered butt thouching, nipples. Anything more, banned. Sexy pics of an anime girl in bikini can even not be spoilered, of course.
Just think "If an anon opened this pic at work and someone else saw it, how much would he be fucked?"
Classifing images as porn or not porn should be janitor's work done at the spot. Let the janitor use common sense. There won't be point in making detailed ruleset as the border is very fluid.
>nsfw tag for images, make it happen
>quality would become lower.
low quality bans suck. I've been banned numerous times from 4chan for stupid reasons. Posted a fucking pony on /b/ in a relevant post and got banned.
Pic related should be allowed.
who would be on the spoiler though, someone nominate a slut
Do a social experiment where /a/ is moderated by Japanese middle school girls, and let them comment under the post they delete so we can see them saying "Dasei" and shit to our disgusting post.
We need better mods, not more mods. Mods need to be smart enough to interpret rules correctly. NSFW wasn't something that needed clarification until a new mod decided to interpret the rule differently than before.
From what I've seen, when we discuss hentai on this board successfully, there's always a SFW thread image, and most of the thread images are spoilered. If people make sure they know what they're getting into, I don't see why there should be a problem.
Not everyone is going to obey the rules.
Honestly this website shouldn't be SFW at all, just keep porn to the porn boards and everything else where it is. If porn is posted, we can direct them to the appropriate board.
Sort of like how generals aren't allowed on /v/ anymore because they have their own board for that.
I would agree to this. KnowYourMeme does a similar thing. Either way, I think anything which gets shown on a Japanese TV network or produced by a publishing house (i.e. not doujinshis) should be allowed, but hentai and ecchi obviously not.
Sorry if this has been answered Hiroyuki, but would it be possible to add a new cover image JUST for Ero-content?
Like we can mark for spoilers to hide it, but why not add a new one that says "Ero" or ''NSFW'' instead?
Also you're much better at communicating than moot was.
Hiro are you pretending to be retarded? No matter what rules there is you'll always have some people breaking them, why are you bringing up extreme cases as though they represent anything?
Ban them if no spoiler is used
Taking drunken tips from moot, eh?
Normalfags like this >>132732640 now browse this board and are mad that they can't browse it at work even though it's a "safe for work" board.
They are basically mad 4chan wasn't actually reddit when they came.
Nipples need to be allowed since many manga and anime have them. Nothing else is fine, but we should at least be allowed t post things like pages from To-Love-Ru.
If it can be published in a major publication like Jump Square or be shown on TV in Japan, we should be allowed to post it on /a/.
No one will go to /e/ to discuss good hentai series of manga or doujin that are worth discussing.
So we could use /a/ to discuss H manga if we spoiler it and do not dump the entire manga.
/a/ must not become a place for dumping manga.
But if NSFW is not allowed at all, even if spoiler, then /a/ cannot be used to discuss all manga or anime.
That leaves content that cannot be discussed anywhere on 4chan.
I think semi lewd is fine as long as its on topic. Just being naked isn't porn. And as long as it's related to the topic then I see no reason for it to be against the rules. Don't make this into some authoritarian bullshit where the sight of breasts is a bannable offence, this isn't saudi arabia.
nice discussion , how about we turn MLP into a red board ??? <3
Hiro please see >>132732637 and >>132732892
If no NSFW flag is added then spoiler flag could be used for it too.
Anyone posting NSFW without flagging could receive warnings and then bans if they keep doing it.
You should be able to post stuff like this without a spoiler
If it is in a sexual context then yes spoiler or it gets deleted.
People who don't use a spoiler get banned.
People who do do not get banned.
People who dump, even behind a spoiler tag get banned.
Every image is allowed in context of the thread.
Context is left up the discretion of a mod.
The only threads that encourage shitty dumps anyway are ones like "Do Mikasa's feet small like roses?" That has nothing to do with /a/ and somebody just wants to jerk off to Mikasa's feet. Delete the thread and ban that person and the problem is solved.
We're fumbling for a solution that already exists
The only reason an NSFW tag would be used is in cases where a non-hentai tv anime has uncensored nudity.
Those cases are rare, we usually get 1 or 2 shows a year where this happens and they tend not to be very popular. This issue arose because Valkyrie Drive has lots of nudity and also happened to be very popular, so the images and webms of nipples were being posted frequently enough for it to become an issue.
The NSFW tag would solve this issue by allowing these shows to be discussed, and relevant images posted.
That's the only goal here. Nobody wants to expand /a/ to include discussions of pornography or hentai. But, when relevant content is a little too lewd, it would be nice to have something like an nsfw tag, as a courtesy to other users.
Stuff that shouldn't be allowed at all:
>porn images not from an anime or manga
>pornographic fan art of anime or manga
>image dumps of any kind (go to /c/, /h/, /e/, or any of the other dump boards)
Stuff that should be spoilered:
>explicit screenshots from H-anime
>explicit pages from H-manga
>note: neither of these should have threads dedicated to them, I feel this is obvious with the "no image dumps ever" rule but I'm restating it here for emphasis
Stuff that should be allowed always with no conditions:
>bare tits/ass in (non-H) anime screenshots and (non-H) manga pages
>risque anime/manga fan art (T&A is fine, but not explicit pornography, and again: NO IMAGE DUMPS EVER)
The problem with this image is that mods have an american way of deciding what is and what isn't pornography, To Love Ru is porn to them despite being published in a shonen magazine.