Obito declaring war on the entire world for no reason. He just had to gather two more bijuus or at least get some of their chakra and he would've succeeded. What was the point of telling everybody his plan so that the kage could counteract it?
I think he needed the blood from the war to grow the tree.
But the idea was also probably to create a situation that Naruto couldn't avoid getting involved in, because he's Naruto. Otherwise, they might just hide him away forever.
>all these Narutards discussing a series which ended almost a year ago
>discussing a show whose last movie came out months ago
>discussing a show which is still in filler mode and won't be out for the next two days
Go back to Gaia.
Orochimaru was just weakened from his illness. He would have been stronger than Sasuke, at least during the beginning of Shippuden.
But Sasuke's power creep to becoming the 2nd strongest by the end of the series is ridiculous considering part 2 spans like what, 5 months at most?
His super obnoxious behaviour at the beginning of the series was mostly him acting out for attention, IIRC.
Isn't Boruto's issue that his dad is always busy though?
The fact that Dr. Snakes is not in prison at the end of the series.
Or Sasuke for that matter.
Ninjas are supposed to be mercenary for hires. Ninjas in Naruto are wizards who live in their own seclusive countries and hate each other. They have no economic development, personal motives, political movement or cultural advancement. They are just wizards in the forest cosplaying as ninjas.
White Zetsu turning out to be infinite tsukuyomi victims turned into mindless zombies despite already have been said to be Hashirama clones and that there was no way for Kaguya to cast the IT before since Hagoromo didn't create the moon until after she first got sealed.
Love, valuable treasure and iconic value can make people do stupid things.
Uchiha are retarded. Also >>132192605
>Otherwise, they might just hide him away forever.
>>132192653 & >>132192697
Orochimaru wanted to be stronger anyway. But there's plotholes considering he was fine putting sharingan in other people anyway.
I'm sure Pain didn't really know who Madara was.
Egotistical bluff and delusion.
Naruto is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.
However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the jutsus, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole ninja faggotry and everything about the Naruto world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.
Naruto is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Naruto threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.
Ninja are more like the armed forces of the counties they serve.
And believe it or not, all the magic shit they do comes from real daoist magic techniques that some ninja claimed they were able to use, though that was probably just to enhance their mystique.
She thought that Nagato was the sage's reincarnation and that the eyes where rightfully his and showed that he was the God that saved the rain village. Not to mention that she thought she could easily kill coolest guy with the 6 hundred gorillion explosives.
When in reality he just got the eyes transplanted into him by one of the actual sage's reincarnation.
Obito was like 13 when when he attacked the leaf with kyuubi
Madara controlled the fourth mizukage just for fun, nigga was probably bored. The whole part felt like it was supposed to lead to something but Kishi just dropped it for no reason
in the beginning sharingan was a rarity in the clan, let alone mangekyo sharingan. Later it was revealed that everyone and their mother had ms, since everyone were spamming izanagi, a legendary genjutsu some people didn't even believe in, so much that izanami had to be created just to counter it. And since you can only get ms by killing your best friend, the clan was probably pretty fucking retarded and un-trusting
Clans in general should be filled with mentally handicapped retards since they've been in-breeding heavier than texas for ages
It was a stupid reason regardless. She should have realized that if Nagato was under Tobi, she couldn't beat him, not matter what she tried. And she should've realized Nagato wouldn't want her to take such a tremendous risk for sentimental reasons. If she would have just destroyed them, the plan stretching back to Kaguya would have been totally fucked and Obito would would've had no choice but to give up on the war.
Why are the villages so shit when there is evidently millions of normal people living in big cities? How relevant even are ninjas? They have small villages hidden somewhere, meanwhile there's a real world out there?
Fuck, what a retarded post. That doesn't make sense as a response. "That it exists" isn't a plothole. If the OP had said "What is Naruto's biggest mistake?" this post would be a sick burn, but instead it's just a flaccid nothing.
>He should've just put Sasuke into a prison and wait for the ritual
If it wasn't for Itachi getting rid of the curse mark seal, then Orochimaru would have eventually taken over Sausage
Itachi not killing Obito and Nagato before deciding to let Sasuke kill him and actually believing that constantly mindraping Sasuke and telling him to get more hatred was the right way to turn him into a hero to Konoha.
>And since you can only get ms by killing your best friend
I think that was disproved though. All it really takes is an immense emotional trauma. Obito for example, never killed his best friend (that would be Kakashi).
Obito most definitely wasn't 18, Kakashi isn't 18 years older than naruto. Hell Guy and Kakashi are both fucking kids when the attack happens, go look it up, they show it right there
Why would people think they need to kill their best friends then? Since Mangekyo was as common as it was, you'd think they would've figured out every way to get it, yet people thought you could only get it by killing your best friends
Another retarded plothole, Itachi was the dumbest motherfucker alive. Why did he tell Sasuke to hate everything and that hate will bring him power more than anything? Yeah hate your whole village that way your clan will be redeemed once you kill me, everyone will certainly forget what kind of an asshole you are. Surely you won't grow up to be an unstable emo faggot
Naruto was never told in the series who his parents were, and never asked. When he eventually "met" his mother and father, he knew who they were immediately.
In other words, he always knew who his parents were. Everyone knew who his parents were. Nobody gave a shit...for SOME reason.
>Itachi not killing Obito and Nagato
I'm pretty sure he was more a matter of "couldn't" than "didn't
>actually believing that constantly mindraping Sasuke and telling him to get more hatred was the right way to turn him into a hero to Konoha.
That was precisely to get Sasuke to kill him to get the MS. He also had a pretty solid plan for getting Sasuke back in line that only didn't work out because of an unforeseeable circumstance.
Obito was 13 when he "died" and Kakashi was 9. He was the yongest member of team Minato. Look it up faggot, its all in the databook.
Thats everyones mistake. Obito and Kakashi are not the same age.
I don't know about biggest plothole, but
>Iruka survives a fuckhuge slab of metal embedding itself right in his fucking spine
I'm not one of those fags who whine about Neji dying, but if Iruka, a wimpy loser who probably hasn't seen a real mission in ages could take that, then so should he.
>Since Mangekyo was as common as it was, you'd think they would've figured out every way to get it, yet people thought you could only get it by killing your best friends
Well, look at who said that---it wasn't the Uchihas, it was only outsiders who had a mistaken understanding of how it worked (probably helped along by the 2nd Hokage who hated them).
Sasuke was litterly the handout to get stronger character anyway.
>MS from Itachi
>Snake shit from Oro
>IMS from Itachi again
I loved how he went from getting killed by Bee 3-4 times to being 2nd strongest in the series due to getting Itachi's eyes
The "kill your best friend" thing was only what Itachi said, because he was an idiot and trying to sound edgy.
Uchiha always activated it with extreme emotional trauma, such as the deaths of their best friends. This is how it worked for Itachi himself, even.
The very first chapter mentions a demon that could cause tsunamis and fuck up mountains just by the swing of its tails.
It fought a building-sized toad.
Powerlevels were inevitable, not some big decision taken one day.
Well if you look at the kakashi gaiden you could kinda see that he is smaller than Obito. It was also mentioned in the manga itself that Kakashi became a jonin at the age of 9 and thats exactly what we saw in kakashi gaiden. Obitos age was only mentioned in the databooks tho
He was deffs pressuring him. like Minato didn't have an east time of it, His experience did show when you watch the fight, if it really was Madara Minato would have gotten fucked up on Taijutsu alone
>Jonin at age 9
What a fucking retarded plot point. Even Neji was like 18-20 when he became a Jonin. Let alone Chunin.
Also Kakashi got fucking Rekt in the Gaiden multiple times. Shit teir assessment their 3rd Hokage trying to suck the white fangs leggacy
No he wasn't, Minato didn't even break a sweat. Slipped once through him, then destroyed him right after seeing the slip-through technique once
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, there wasn't even any taijutsu. Just two slips and it was all over
Everyone hated of the son of the 4th hokage and even his godfather and his dad's student were absent for his entire childhood when they should have been here for him. This shit never made any sense. No wonder he latched onto Iruka and Sasuke, since they were the only 2 to even look at him when the closest people to his parents never did.
The entire story after the timeskip is one long asspull. Kaguya was a mega asspull with zero forshadowing. It's hard to find plotholes when the plot is not cohesive in the first place
You seem to forget litterly everything leading upto the actual confrontation.
>Put bombs on Naruto
>Forced Minato to leave
>Released the 9 tales
It was more about Danger then the fight. Obito put Minato into a lot of really dangerous situations where if he fucked up or was a seccond too slow, Kushina is dead. Naruto is dead. Village destroyed. Or Minato captured in Other space
Minato was working hard for a while there.
He did really well. but even if its like you say and it was a peice of Cake for him, Should have been ez to be like 'Yo madara isn't this weak'
>the entire meaning of the series
People have claimed that the meaning of the series was a million and one things, from hard work v. genius to making friends/bonding to Kishi projecting his repressed, inhuman mess of sexual frustrations, personal failures and complete lack of ability to connect with non-autistic human beings.
Naruto as a series never once had a theme or meaning.
Individual arcs sometimes tried to, but mostly failed.
More like the meaning was that hard work surpasses natural genius... and then suddenly Naruto was the chosen one, hokage's son and some weird reincarnation I don't even remember
>Not a single mention of her throughout the entire story
>Somehow big bad final villan who was pulling the string all along
Kishi lost a bet with one of his edditors im sure of it.
That's an asspull, not a plothole.
The ending was filled with asspulls like Naruto and Sasuke learning to control their god powers in seconds, Kakashi's susanoo, Obito teleporting from the dead, Kaguya and the sage's brother.
I didn't know hos old he actualy was. but >>132194910
this guy gets it. Itachi was a fucking God umongst Ninja from the age that he could walk Orochimaru had his pedo eyes on him
the theme of the series is that old people lie to the young and that if it seems that what they've said is right
>effort over talent/genes
>the young surpasses the new
they're actually lying and you've fallen for it.
Eugenics is good: the series
the whole elemental thing after 5 billion seasons.
Everyone could always use every jutsu, see kakashi or the third vs oruchimaru fight
Its especially clear when there are jutsu that just dont fit like creating fucking trees.
That's not a plothole, just a complaint about story direction.
Jiraiya and Tsunade were fucked up back then. They couldn't take care of a child and they must of trusted the Third, because why not? Also Jiraiya was an actual important soldier doing actual ninja shit with an entire spy network.
In situations like this it really comes down to how the Japanese treat orphaned children. Traditionally it all stays within blood relatives and they don't want to shoulder the burden of someone that isn't their kid. I don't like it. It's not how it works in western countries with higher rates of adoption.
>unironiclly still using the term asspull
Nice meme, there was enough allusions to the origin story in the main that something was up. But still only speculation. Nothing was spoonfed, is that your complaint?
what are you talking about. he only recognized his father because his goddamn face was carved into the mountain and he was famous, but he didn't know that it was his dad. as for his mom, he had no clue at all who she was and even thought she could have been a trick by the fox.
>Nothing was spoonfed
Dude lived the life man.
Fucked hundreds of girls
Never lost bar fights coz Sanin ninja
Drifed arround collecting intel the whole time
Jiraiya was my favourite character tbh
By rights Naruto should have been Harry potter loaded though.
His dad was the fucking Hokage.
This. Fuck man. Naruto was Recking on levels 10x higher then Killer Bee and then its like "Ohh this is only half your power all along"
A manga where every character stops mid fight to explain how their special move works. And suddenly you say that the author doesn't spoonfeed because some extremely vague shit in previous chapters may or may not refer to Kaguya. It's a little bit absurd to suggest that in a manga known for it's extreme spoonfeeding, but ok, if you insist there were clear signs foreshadowing Kaguya specifically point them out and change my mind.
>see this ultimate being me and my brother had to kill?
>yeah, we killed her, not possibility we didn't
>there's no way she got away somehow
>she's the ultimate chakra being, brought chakra to humanity, and went insane
>but we killed her so fagettaboutit
>there's no way she's the final boss, being the most powerful and all
They where PMC's until they realized that permanently working for a faction was more profitable.
They still do PMC work.
The entire point of the the great pre Shippuuden filler saga is the PMC work.
The power creep didn't go all in until we got Pain.
>there was enough allusions to the origin story in the main that something was up.
Everyone in the entire ninja world knew about the sage of six paths, though they regarded him as a myth, yet nobody ever said shit about Kaguya until Madara told Hashirama about the chakra tree somewhere around the last 50 chapters
Today I finally understood the obvious meaning of Naruto's spiral symbol. It symbolizes the cycle of friendship and strife we have seen throghout the series:
Asura - Indra
Madara - Hashirama
Danzo - Hiruzen
Orochimaru - Jiraiya
Minato - Yashio
Obito - Kakashi
Naruto - Sasuke
Sarada - Bolt
The fuck. That was only mentioned a few chapters before shes introduced in the same arc. So you agree there was no indication that Kaguya would be the last boss before the last 50 chapters
50 chapters is enough dumbass. Did you want it from the first? Are you mad that Madara being alive wasn't mentioned from the get go too? How about Orochimaru? Or Obito? Or every other villain?
The biggest plothole was how everybody kept ignoring the big sacrifices Sakura made, even the fans of the series themselves.
When I ask people why they dislike Sakura, these are the usual responses I get:
>she is useless
She is by far the most useful Kunoichi in the series. Not only was she the only Kunoichi who took out an Akatsuki member (with less help than Shikamaru mind you), but she also assisted in the fight against Kaguya. If it wasn't for Sakura, Kaguya would have won.
>she is obsessed with Sasuke even after he betrayed the village
We cannot decide who we love.
>she barely even interacted with Sasuke. She just likes him because of his good looks.
It's called "love at first sight". If her attraction was purely physical, she would've just went after another good looking guy.
>she screwed with Hinata by telling Naruto that she loves him
This is one of the most overblown things in the series. It's obvious that Sakura would have told Naruto the truth after Sasuke was defeated. Sakura just wanted Naruto to stop going after Sasuke for her sake. After the Sasuke issue was resolved, Sakura would have told Naruto the truth and Hinata could have gotten together with him. Sakura was very selfless in that scene and only wanted to do what's best for her comrades.
>Sakura mistreated her daughter
She didn't intend to destroy the house. She has super strength and sometimes loses control of it just like Goku did when he punched Chichi through a wall.
>she didn't feel sorry for Naruto enough
At first, she simply couldn't put herself into his shoes because her situation was so different. She had very strict parents and therefore wished for the freedom Naruto had. To her, he looked like a happy kid that could go around pranking people all day without parental supervision. Later, she understood his pain and felt sorry for him. She grew as a character.
>she is flat
Connoisseurs know that DFC is best.
Better than being a creeper like Hinata.
Madara was first foreshadowed in the first valley of the end fight
Obito actually showed up in the manga before any of the non-team 7 rookies did
Hagoromo got first mentioned around chapter 350, there's no excuse for not knowing shit about his mom until when Naruto and Sasuke were fighting juubi Obito.
What are Sasuke's actual crimes? He killed some samurai in Iron country, and incinerated the raikage's arm. Then what? Engaging in fights? That's not so bad. Maybe 20 years of prison if we're in Yuropoorland.
There's feudal lords and shit. It's olden times, they just seem to have a few modern inventions laying around.
Sometime between chapter 699 and 700 they industrialize and technology does impede on ninja shit, see the cheating device.
Actually if you read the manga again.
In every major future deciding event there was a full moon.
Madara vs Hashirama? Full moon, Obito goes dark side? Full moon, Kyubi attacks Konoha? Full Moon.
And there's a few more I think.
>4chan is having a productive Naruto discussion
H-HOW IS THS POSSIBLE?!
>they just seem to have a few modern inventions laying around.
Like an entire modern city?
>defection to the enemy
>aiding a terrorist organization
>conspiracy to wipe out a whole city
>murder of an acting head of state
>disrupting a high level diplomatic meet and killing several of the guards
>murdering/mindraping that one Cloud guy he pressed for info
>attacking a Cloud VIP with intent to kidnap
>attempted murder of several heads of state
>attempted murder of Leaf Shinobi
>attempted murder of two Leaf VIPs (Kakashi, Naruto)
>attempted murder of all the heads of states again
>attempting to murder the hero of the war
>conspiracy to become Batman
Throw in the damages he did in all his chimpouts as vandalism, because fuck you.
The fucker should have been publicly executed.
And you don't even know what a strawman is. You're just wrong dude, give it up. There was literally no sign of Kaguya anywhere in the series until halfway through the final arc when she's mentioned by the sage. That's inexcusable. And it makes you look dumb if you accept that kind of shoddy writing and try to convince people it actually makes sense that the big bad of the series isn't mentioned, referred to or appears AT ALL before the final 50 chapters
>attempted murder of two Leaf VIPs (Kakashi, Naruto)
It's ok, they both love him. One of them officially pardoned him and the other still considers him the most important person of his life
>attempted murder of all the heads of states again
The current kages are now BFFs with him (even though they all personally witnessed his kage summit chimpout). Does anybody have the picture of him, Boruto and the kages?
We see that whole area as a forest as late as The Last.
They went and built a city there in about twelve years.
Was that the abandoned city with the catgirl and cat granny living there?
No, it was just a random city in the background when deidara blew himself
clearly there's modern huge-ass cities. Here's the shot from manga
>Madara had a Kaguya rape dungeon
Damn dude was based
>no more quiet comfortable community
>old village is nothing more than a historic district
>subhuman scum will concentrate and multiply in the city as they always do
Yeah thanks Naruto
I'm not opposed to the idea of Kaguya, but we should have seen more of her.
I wish Kishi would sexualize his females a bit more.
Sakura has the ass
Hinata has the tits
Ino has the everything
Anko the horny sensei
Tsunade the milf
Kaguya the monstermilf
Give 10/10 the ass and Sakura gets the ugly, but desperate weirdo status, then we have a deal.
Bonus points for making Anko aggressive and seductive, but actually broken as fuck who just wants a shoulder to cry on and someone to hold
the bucket of butter she dips everything she constantly eats to cope in.
That is the biggest one, but the entire series is just an excuse to see magic ninjas fight.
>The Third was the strongest of all the Hokages
No, he wasn't.
>keeps their own shitty ass wood huts
They are a lot more comfy and look far better than the fugly skyscrapers. The old parts of a town are usually the best. Modern shit is build for efficiency only and has no soul.
>a tiny ass village built a modern city in their spare time for no reason
The world was devasted after the war and probably left thousands of people homeless. They had to rebuild anyway. My guess is many gathered around the no longer hidden village of the leaf becase they felt safer with the world's hero nearby.
The canon explanation is that Orochimaru wasn't capable of bringing them back at full strength at the time.
The actual one is of course that Kishi hadn't yet thought of making Hashirama the most OP character of the series or the Senju the most powerful clan in the Nardoverse, so be retconned it later.
>Jiryia says Akatsuki is collecting tailed beasts in part 1
>Start of part 2 they apparently havent collected a single on yet, everyone still seem to know their purpose
Did someone just leak everything from the top secret mercenary organization? Also what were they doing all the way up to part 2? Why wait so long to begin collecting?
I wonder why there are so few good doujins of Naruto. It's fairly popular, yet most of the stuff is garbage.
Picture related is one of the few good ones.
>Also what were they doing all the way up to part 2?
>Why wait so long to begin collecting?
I think it was something about the statue not being ready to store tailed beasts until 3 years later
That part of the series always confused me.
You have these exams that only graduate a dozen or less kids per 6 months for 'all participating countries'. We see that they have many classes of kids but not all get through, what is the drop out ratio?
No one bats and eye at child wizard soldiers, even in fire land, yet a big deal is made about it. Though some of them do it for various reasons, they want to, family tradition, war orphan revenge etc.
>have constantly better and better eyes magic hacks
>don't fucking steal techniques
Like if he only stole that lighting armour that gets both your raction time and body faster then he could have steamrolled half of the enemies.
And you would think Orochimaru would give his pupil some weak but diverse jutsu so his almost future body would be able to mold different chakras faster.
This stupid dumb idiot head right here. I won't even go into the entire Itachi-Sasuke stuff.
His entire mission made no sense and was stupid. They send one of their strongest warriors to infiltrate the enemy and spy for them. Ok fair enough. But after he already knew what they were planning, he still kept helping them! Let's not forget that Itachi (especially an Itachi with a fresh MS) can beat almost every Akatsuki member. He one-shotted Deidara like fodder.
Here's what you do if you're Itachi and not a retard: Tell the Leaf the next target big of Akatsuki, betray them right then and there and murder most of them with the help of your friends from the Leaf village. Then you only have to worry about Obito and Pain AND you still have Shisui's eye which, once it's ready, can be used to one-shot one of them.
Obito surviving the boulder
Kakashi not going blind via using the kamui repeatedly
Kakashi getting chakra from a dead Obito
Kakashi being able to use the Susanoo
Sasuke not being put in prison after the war
Something something not the real you something something don't love me etc.
Obvious solution is to play with the kid and send the clone to do admin work.
Why the fuck doesn't everyone use it daily anyway? Sure it halves your mana supply, but you could pop out like 4 of the fuckers and get 4x the admin work done, unless you have to fight there's no fucking reason why you shouldn't be spamming this, if just to get chores done.
If he only bothered to steal the Rasengan he would not have had to deal with the stupid, and probably wasteful piece of shit of a technique Kakashi pulled out of his ass.
I mean early on he could only use it fucking twice a day.
I never understood this whole thing.
Fire has the fox for 100 years or so, populace are at least aware of one poor soul being used as a container, same for other villages. Mother dies and fox somehow gets out, Dad suicides to seal it in his kid because that's the bloodline that has traditionally sealed it. Somehow in all this average joes have lost a few people because the fox fucked the place up. Because of this a RATHER BIG LORE THING the people treat the kid like shit (and because reasons he doesn't go all gaara).
The populace are at least aware of these monsters, many know the kids the damn vessel, the know the vessel can become fucking strong and they still treat it like shit. Then the kid goes up living in some shit apartment. Who pays for it? Who the fuck raised him?
She was explicitly mentioned as a girl who is NOT cute in the original sketches, wasn't she?
I don't mind people liking her, even if I personally hate her, but 10/10 ought to have the ass with her whole thing being much more physical, and Sakura's fixation on the Sauce does imply obsession of some kind anyway, so make that into a sexy trait. Hell, it would spice up her lack of personality.
To be fair, the Rasengan is impossible to steal with Sharingan, due to no hand seals.
What bothers me, is the fact that its called an uber advanced technique, even though its only some chakra manipulation, that even Naruto managed to do in a week
pic absolutely related
I personally still don't understand where Nagato's, Madara's, Hashirama's and Sasuke's immense power came from. According to the physical laws of the Naruto world, you need chakra to do magic. You don't have infinite chakra unless you're a zombie (for some reason), it takes time gathering it and you can run out of it. I have no problem with Kaguya because she ate the fruit. It also made sense that the sage had this immense power after he absorbed the Yubi. But what about Nagato, for instance? Sure he got the eyes which allow him to do super magic. But you still need chakra to fuel the super magic, don't you? Where is he getting it from? Why does he have so much more of it than anybody else? Was it stored in the eyes by Madara? If so, where did he get it from? Indra's ghost? But if Indra's ghost gives you immense chakra reserves, then why didn't Sasuke have immense chakra reserves since the very beginning?
Yeah, glad you realize you're talking about sketches.
And I get your 10/10 has the ass thing but Sakura has a big ass too, in part 1 before Kishi started making every female ugly there was a few Sakurass drawings.
10/10 is the china girl like that Kenichi one.
More politics, less Uchiha faggotry, maybe something apropos of Orochimaru starting up a whole new nation.
But Kishi simply does not have the knack to write anything even remotely passable anyway, so it's hardly worth the bother.
Nagato is an Uzumaki giving him strong life energy.
Madara and Hashirama were born in war. They had intense training as children, powerful bloodlines and strong determination for their ideals.
Sasuke was a genius who possessed a powerful blood line. He is the reincarnation of Indra.
In the original sketches Naruto was a literally a fox.
Tenten has a /fit/ body, Sakura has a big ass and DFC. Tenten doesn't have a big ass, she has a /fit/ tomboy ass.
I am entirely content with both having ass, but the post I replied to tied one central feature to each girl for the most part, hence my suggestion to make the ass 10/10's thing and the desperate/slightly crazy stuff becomes Sakura's.
Of course if we move beyond the single central feature, it must be said that Tsunade's glorious Tsunades beat even Hinata's Hinatas, who herself must have superb, soft thighs and
Then there is also Shizune and Ino, who may not be best girls, but are fucking great fap material and have a perfect balance of everything.
Back when we thought the snake rabbit Orochi wanting an immortal body plotline/motif would come to pass.
I don't think everything about her was a complete asspull but how it came to pass was fucking terrible, I think there was a mention of her on the uchiha tablet, and being based on old jap myths feels fine for the setting. But it was still a terrible way to introduce the entire lore of the world so rapidly and disjointed.
It could have worked if it was done slower and didn't have her appear just to one hit kill the strongest thing in the series.
>Nagato is an Uzumaki giving him strong life energy.
Right, I forgot about that. It still seems a bit too much. He was able to fight toe to toe with the nine tails after nuking an entire city. I doubt the average Uzumaki has the chakra required for doing this.
>Madara and Hashirama were born in war. They had intense training as children, powerful bloodlines and strong determination for their ideals.
That hardly explains why they are on an entirely different level power-wise. Other Uchiha and Senju grew up in wartimes as well and they didn't throw nukes around the place so that the maps had to be redrawn.
>Sasuke was a genius who possessed a powerful blood line.
Sure but we have seen him having a limited chakra supply. He runs out of it after doing a certain amount of magic. If he had enormous supplies due to Indra's ghost, why did he run out of it earlier in the series? He should've had unnaturally big chakra reserves from the very beginning if him being a reincarnation is the explanation for his powers later.
>Ino may not be best girl
Fuck you m8.
Hinata is a fat and full of useless meat that's why she has soft thighs, chubby chaser.
Remember that scene when she goes all the blush, teary eyes and touches their cheeks?
I was diamond hard.
If I were Sosque I would immediately genuflect her. Like the whole war would end with me teleporting with her to bedroom dimension. And whoever would be able to pull me out from that sweet booty would be called a next king of Britania.
I like Ino, she has her moments and looks great, but there isn't too much about the character that I liked.
The most likable bits of characterization she got, beyond the generic 'everyone does their best in the war' thing and the admittedly decent co-op move she pulled with Hinata were the Hyuuga sisters filler bits of her when she excitedly tries to describe Naruto's Rasenshuriken to Neji and Hinata.
If she had a bit more of that and a few lines to show some growth of personality, maybe even her being mature and sensible enough to move past the Sauce and get interested in other guys (Sai, Kiba, or even Naruto, it doesn't matter), then I would be very happy to consider her a contender for being best girl, a very strong one, even.
So we can all agree the powerlevels are
Kaguya>=Madara Jinchuuriki 2 rinnegan + forehead eye>>>Hagoromo jinchuuriki>>Naruto>Sasuke>Hamura
Leaving aside movie faggots that I don't care about.
This. It's a real shame how Kishimoto introduced and handled her.
I think it would have been cool if her existence had always been common knowledge in the Narutoverse, but like as a fairytale of a benevolent creator/mother. That would have made her appearance as the final boss much more impactful, and shocking to boot.
Oh well. She's cute, at least.
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>He was able to fight toe to toe with the nine tails after nuking an entire city. I doubt the average Uzumaki has the chakra required for doing this.
He was crippled in the fight he had with Hanzo of the Salamander; so he could move his weak body. This in turn forced him to use the paths. Hence I assume he had some form of technology to enhance his chakra level.
>Other Uchiha and Senju grew up in wartimes as well and they didn't throw nukes around the place so that the maps had to be redrawn.
Madara, Sasuke and Hashirama are all reincarnations of Indra and Ashra. Sasuke wasn't able to tap to his hidden power because SO6P didn't think it was needed. Only when the situation of the Shinobi world was at a climax would he grant the powers. Not only that with sharingun Madara and Sasuke can use their chakra very efficiently meaning no waste. Hence why they can last so long. Hashirama was a genius as well who surpassed all his peers with his knowledge of every jutsu in the village. By practicing and learning to hone his powers, he was able to create powerful jutsus.
It would have been neat if the village had a bit more defined architectural style, with the religious motifs of the Will of Fire, the symbol of the Hidden Whirlpool, woodcuts of the establishment of the village, maybe the odd statue of recognizable clan heads offering their allegiance to the village were fairly inconspicuously in the background of scenes. Then it would have been easy to sneak motifs of her among them, as a reoccuring figure.
>Sasuke wasn't able to tap to his hidden power because SO6P didn't think it was needed. Only when the situation of the Shinobi world was at a climax would he grant the powers.
Ok. I would be willing to accept that if it wasn't for Madara. Surely the SO6P didn't give this power to Madara so he could fuck shit up.
I know this is a shonen and it was inevitable that the main characters get a lot stronger than everybody else. What bothers me is them being unntarually strong without ever been given a good explanation for their strength. They could've at least said something like "Wow Naruto and Sasuke learned how to cosntantly absorb nature energy while they are moving."
They're in Databook 1 right?
It's probably not true, but I remember hearing that Kishi wanted the story to be Naruto being Kakashi's apprentice, the it was changed to Team 7 with Naruto, Kakashi, and Hinata with Sasuke dying during the Zabuza arc, to the current iteration? Any truth to that?
Huh? Sasuke was the best ninja in the entire class. He was a prodigy in both chakra control and jutsus. He grew up, trained, honed his ability to a sharp focus all because he had a large drive to kill his brother.
Compare that to the other ninjas in the village who had no ambition anywhere near that large.
>It's probably not true, but I remember hearing that Kishi wanted the story to be Naruto being Kakashi's apprentice, the it was changed to Team 7
>with Naruto, Kakashi, and Hinata with Sasuke dying during the Zabuza arc
No, you mixed made up bullshit with the stuff that actually happened. Hinata was never meant to be a main character and Sausage was never meant to die.
There's a bunch of speculation floating around.
We do know of some original plans, like Naruto being an actual fox, the cub of the Nine Tails that died, being sent into the city. It doesn't have nina shit, just the kitsune transforming into a human boy with fox-ish features, that looks like Naruto proper.
I'm pretty sure you can still find that pilot chapter around.
Then you had the ninja concept enter (there is also talk of Naruto being meant to be a cooking manga then a Harry Potter ripoff), and a whole new batch of concept art: Kakashi sans mask, the Third Hokage as a dog, Hinata as a civilian princess as the romantic interest.
Then a bit later the editor suggested the idea of a team and a rival and Kishi really liked that, the opportunity to create his own Vegeta and called it Sasuke. I think originally he had a bunch of Native American looking necklaces and whatnot, but that was cut down later, for the same reason Naruto's goggles were switched for the pussy deflector.
Sakura for the most part was 'the girl' and a NOT cute girl in the sketches. She was later prettied up in a stupid attempt to make people like her more, but never progressed on from that.
>The world is a cruel place. Constant devastate the land. Child soldiers are forced to kill each other. Living things are being burned and tortured alive in all the creative ways which humans and nature can devise.
>One brave man devotes his life to change all of that.
>The brave man finds a way to make all people happy, to give them rest and peace at last.
>"He wants to create a perfect world of love and peace for all of us? All of us will live in perfect bliss? He is evil and insane! Kill him immediately!"
Also forgot the Fourth looking like a fucking meth dealer. That should have stayed, as a handy explanation of just why didn't he save his wife, effectively double the amount of Jinchuuriki his village had, and ensure his child had a mother.
It's all a lie. His way is just an illusion. It's escapism.
Sakura managing to use a sleeping grenade on Sai, Lee, and Kiba but completely shit the bed as soon as she laid eyes on the Sauce.
Kiba has a super enhanced sense of smell, probably smelled the fucking sleeping grenade and didn't think "gee, Sakura has NEVER used one of these before, I wonder what she's carrying it for!"
Sai is garbage and probably would've fell for it.
Lee couldn't speed out of the radius of the explosion? Reaaaaaaaaally Kishimoto?
You know, wanting to achieve world peace and make everyone achieve their dreams is a better final boss motivation than "I need an army of a billion fodder zombies to fend off my fruit stealing cousins"
If not for the Sharingan's unexplained ability to resist your body being taken over AND somehow even absorb the guy trying to take you over, he would have been royally fucked.
That's another strange thing. We later learn that the IT transforms people into Zetsus. Yet, we saw some of them in their imaginary world. What's the point of creating the happy imaginary world if you'll just turn them into mindless soldiers anyway. We also never learned why Kaguya needed an army of worthless fodder so badly.
They are definitely dead unfortunately. When sasuke collapsed the ceiling everyone that wasn't standing directly next to Gaara or Ay was killed. But still sasuke has done more good than bad
We never did find out who lived in these castles.
What's wrong with that? If there was a machine that could give us whatever desirable or pleasurable experiences we could want, most of us would use it constantly.
Also, Sasuke developed Kirin, what was at the time (before all the Indra/Six Path/Rinnegan fuckery) and only used it once? Ever? On his brother.
Didn't use it against anyone else. For no fucking reason. Ever.
He called down a fucking tiger made from pure lightning and didn't think it would be useful again in any other way. Ever.
Alright, Kishimoto. Whatever you say.
That's not a fucking plot hole you dunce.
I hate this shit series as much as the next regular /a/ denizen, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know it was just subtle world building and nothing more.
I fucking hate Sakura, but if Kishi actually had the balls to make her legit try to lead a squad of her old classmates (plus Lee) and take the crazy poor fuck behind the shed and put him down for his own good, I think I could have grown to actually respect her.
Instead we got a fake, failed confession that highlighted her complete self-centeredness, lack of understanding of others, lack of ability to plan, utterly absent self-respect or respect for a friend she claims to care about, an all around cementing of her as Pinkshit.
Even abandoned for twelve years and being a pathetic mental wreck was too good a fate for the bitch she was.
No, because it's a lie. Fundamentally it's just suicide. You're ending your life out of weakness and escaping the real world. You're too weak for this world but it's not too late. You have potential, you can be strong, you can succeed.
You don't need a machine to be happy, it's a false happiness.
I was so hyped she managed to actually sleep Sai, Lee, and Kiba. I was honestly impressed.
All those chapters of that "resolve" to end Sasuke's bullshit.
But no. As soon as she sees him her character development nosedives yet again.
Sakura only had one good part in the entire Naruto series. And that was when she was Chiyo's human puppet in the Sasori fight.
Oh fuck me
i really hate all that "funny comment heres a reaction pic" bullshit but god damn that one actually made me laugh
She was willing to kill the person she loved, thus sacrificing her own happiness for the greater good.
The fake confession was an attempt to release Naruto from his promise. The fact that it failed miserably is understandable since Sakura must've been an emotional wreck at the time. It's sad that most people jump on the "Let's hate Sakura" bandwagon instead of trying to understand the character a little better.
It would have been interesting if she died, either in that fight or as a result of the Fox chimpoing out while fighting Orochimaru.
There would have been no loss of plot, it would have given Naruto something to impact him, completely ripping apart even the illusion of the old team ever coming back.
I tend to excuse the kage summit related things since Obito threatened him into going and then set him up. Sasuke and taka made it clear they had no intention of targeting the other heads of state and they literally camped by the exit waiting for the meeting to end so they could follow danzo home without causing a disturbance. But then obito had zetsu set them up and the Kages targeted Sasuke, who naturally defended himself. He still broke some laws but he was kinda strong armed into doing it
It wasn't love though lol. Japan has this crazy obsession with calling a "crush" and making it undying love.
Sasuke was right in all his lectures towards her. Sakura doesn't know the first fucking thing about Sasuke; she merely thought he was "cool" and "mysterious" and just straight up attractive.
Having a childhood crush on a sociopath who's tried to kill her on multiple occasions isn't love. It's delusion.
She handled that whole thing completely wrong, false confession or no.
She didn't have the will to go through with the attempt, she took out her own fucking team for no reason, she played the can-I-join-you bullshit instead of for once showing some backbone and telling him that she's here to kill him, for his sake. Or something.
You guys do know that all of these complaints are pretty fucking shallow?
This isn't made with you in mind, it made for kids. You guys are out of the demographic and the nationality. Complaining about slice of life moeshit is more valid than complaining about Naruto. At least moeshit is made with 20 year old otakus in mind.
>You guys do know that all of these complaints are pretty fucking shallow?
>all these complaints
You do realize nobody was able to find a major plothole like the OP asked for right?
I didn't watch it closely nor really liked it when it aired on like Adult Swim or Toonami. Can someone tell me if his gay little "im actually a super powerful million tailed fox deity thingy" thing is actually important, or just something that resolved itself within the first arc of the show?
You never heard of love at first sight?
>She didn't have the will to go through with the attempt
It was extremely hard for her once she encountered him. That shows her humanity. I prefer characters who actually struggle. A perfect superhuman Mary Sue character who can easily master every situation and always does the right thing is boring. Sakura was conflicted, as she should've been.
>she took out her own fucking team for no reason
She took out her team because she felt like it was her responsibility. Furthermore, she probably felt that if somebody has to kill Saskue, it got to be her.
>she played the can-I-join-you bullshit instead of for once showing some backbone and telling him that she's here to kill him
She tried to trick him which was the smart thing to do considering that he was stronger than her at the time.
What? Nagato is Uzumaki and they have huge chakra, Kushina by herself survived getting her bijuu extracted from her. Not even Naruto managed that and he's ninja jesus.
All the plotholes were replied to and made sense of, retard.
Nagato WAS the sage's reincarnation.
Madara given them to him was completely stupid and retarded. Why would he do that? give his eyes to a kid in the middle of no fucking where? This is retarded writting at it's max!
>Adult Swim or Toonami
Bitchblood Americunt alert. Have you considered killing yourself lately? Seems like a viable option for someone who's the offspring of an interspecies scientific experiment gone wrong.
Love at first sight for a 12 year old girl?
Who then proceeded to get shunned and pushed away and lost all contact with for 3 years?
Yeah, I believe in love at first sight when it's reciprocated by both parties.
Sasuke legit settled at the end because Kishimoto was too lazy to logically wrap shit up.
Deidara vs Sasuke ending made sense. Sasuke wasn't actually out of chakra or else orochimaru would have assumed control of the body. And him summoning the snake was already shown at the start of the fight when sasuke shields himself from a point blank explosion with a summoning
Obito mentions he visited Danzo once, but we never find out what they mean.
Orochimaru never gives his real reason for attacking Konoha in part I.
Kabuto's 'old blood' is never explained.
How did Anko become fat.
Why did Obito manipulate the Fourth?
The Uchiha were being kept as far as possible as the Kyubi since they're fucking SCUM and they have this cool ability that lets them control the Bijuu, something scum shouldn't be given the chance to since they would use it to wipe all the normal citizens.
Which was the correct choice given the fact that it was a fucking uchiha shit the one controlling the Kyubi and killing normal citizens.
>What's the biggest plothole in Naruto?
Who the hell raised Naruto until he was old enough to take care of himself
Why the third never told Naruto about his father
Why the third didn't order ninja to go undercover and pretend to be Naruto's parents so he can have a "normal" childhood
Why Jiraya abandoned Naruto until after he was forced on him.
Why didn't Naruto learn any of his bloodline traits
Why no one told him about his bloodline I mean sealing Jutsu is really fucking useful
Sakura was conflcted and struggled, that's fine. Good, even, like you said.
But she collapsed under that weight and never truly found a solution to her situation, so asking me to look at her as anything but a failure is pointless.
>she felt like it was her responsibility
Which incidentally does fit into the theme of her being self-centered and lacking any understanding or respect for others that is established with the false confession.
Let's not even get into the sheer amount of retardation or self-delusion present in that act either.
Especially if she was conscious of the fact that he was far, far out of her league.
>Love at first sight for a 12 year old girl?
Especially for a 12 year old girl. Whether you like it or not, that's roughly the age when human beings are completely overwhelmed by love.
>Who then proceeded to get shunned and pushed away and lost all contact with for 3 years?
Wecannot decide who we love. That's why many people end up being trapped in abusive relationships. And Sasuke didn't even physically harm her. The worst thing he did to her was using a genjutsu on her.
People in degenerate western cultures have this disgusting notion that you should always should look out for your own economic and personal interests first, even with regard to love. Instead of listening to your own heart, you supposedly should have a cold, egocentric, mechanical view of the world.
>How did Anko become fat.
She eats dango everyday with chouji's daughter and she's a teacher now. So pretty much stopped being on frontline active duty and got fat from all the leisure.
>Why did Obito manipulate the Fourth?
When did he do this?
The Fourth got in his way, he didn't plan for the kyuubi to be sealed in Naruto.
>Orochimaru never gives his real reason for attacking Konoha in part I
It's assumed/implied it was out of revenge and to kill the Third.
You forgot that they had an Uzumaki fucking temple right outside the village and no one took the five minutes to show it to the orphan desperate for connection and a sign that he belonged somewhere, not fucking once.
>Itachi not being made Kage to appease everyone, never starting any of this shit
>Zetsu required Uchiha + Senju power to combine and hatches a convoluted plan that involves separating them forever so one side can implant the other's DNA
>Obito not dying ever
>"Kakashi of the Sharingan"
Why did Naruto's tailed beast mode change once he and Kurama started working together? The original was so much cooler
>Which incidentally does fit into the theme of her being self-centered and lacking any understanding or respect for others
The exact opposite, actually. Sasuke could, and probably would've, killed many of her teammates in the upcoming battle. She would've been selfish if she was willing to sacrifice others in order to achieve her goal. Instead, she tried to do it all by herself. My guess is that she was even prepared to sacrifice her own life in order to stop Sasuke, and would've done so if she wasn't overwhelmed by her feelings for him.
Are you some lifelong naruto fanboy or why are you taking this shit so personally? Here are plotholes that haven't been addressed in your shit series
>everyone treating naruto like shit even though his father rescued the whole village and was a huge hero
>nobody knowing jack shit about uzumaki even though their symbol is all around the village
>the whole deal of sharingan and mangekyo sharingan and their rarity and how it constantly changes
>Itachi and how plain retarded he was as a character by telling sasuke to kill his best friend and hate everything, expecting him to become a hero of the village that way
>Obito never going blind or having any other effect despite spamming his mangekyo power all the time
Honorable mention to the asspull of Kagya, which isn't a plothole per se, but her motivation to form a giant army was NEVER explained, the last big bads motivation was NEVER FUCKING TOLD OR EXPLAINED AT ALL. That's a pretty major part of the plot don't you think?
The beasts got nerfed so Madara and Hashirama could look good. In that fight Naruto swings one arm and destroys an entire forest, now all he does is chakra blast and random arms.
The biggest plot hole is how the series started off as a "you can choose your own destiny if you work hard enough" and became a series 100% about DNA, bloodline abilities and genetic traits that predetermine how much of a badass you are at birth.
>>Obito never going blind or having any other effect despite spamming his mangekyo power all the time
Obito's half body is made of zetsu, he's as close as a non-transmigration can be of having Rikudo Sennin's body.
He has regen asides from an enlarged mana pool and other bullshit that come from zetsu body. I'm pretty sure that's why he doesn't go blind.
Not him by the way.
I always think back to Naruto and Neji's first fight when someone mentions this.
How he gave that lecture about how he was worst in the class and prevailed through hard work.
>out of shame Kishi had to kill off Neji right before it was revealed that he was right all along on a fucking cosmic scale
fucking hack, Neji should've been there all smug looking "fucking told you faggots" when the whole indra / asura shit was revealed
>Most people don't even know about that. It's literally abandoned.
I highly doubt the third or Jiraiya didn't know.
>It was more like a safehouse.
And? It would be nice to take the kid to see it like on his birthday or something probably could mellowed Naruto ass out too.
NEW plot hole
>How does everyone and their mother know Naruto has the fox inside of him pre-part two if it was a highly guarded secret.
>everyone treating naruto like shit even though his father rescued the whole village and was a huge hero
A lot of people assumed he was the Kyubi just fucking with them.
>nobody knowing jack shit about uzumaki even though their symbol is all around the village
They're a clan known for their red hair and sealing techniques and had great ties with Konoha, their village was completely wiped out in the last war.
>the whole deal of sharingan and mangekyo sharingan and their rarity and how it constantly changes
I don't think every Uchiha awakens their Sharingan
>Itachi and how plain retarded he was as a character by telling sasuke to kill his best friend and hate everything, expecting him to become a hero of the village that way
That was pretty stupid
>Obito never going blind or having any other effect despite spamming his mangekyo power all the time
That's a good point
So she held herself as better, with a greater dedication and resolve than others who knew precisely the same risks as she did.
Again, we run into the same thing: she deludes herself and thinks she know better or is better.
She deludes herself into thinking she has a snowball's chance in hell against Sausage, she makes believe she is the strong heroine oozing resolve all over the place, releasing a friend from obligations even if it means sacrificing her happiness (never mind her earlier observation of genuine self-sacrifice and real love for the guy she was about to try to fool, and how her 'heroic' sacrifice, if successful, would have ruined something genuine).
She uses and discards others as tools for her fulfilment of her romantic vision, because she does not know or respect them.
She holds only herself as capable of making sacrifices because fundamentally she thinks she is better than other people.
And on top of it all, she crumbles and fails, making all the nasty shit she pulled against everyone else collapse in on itself.
That is why she is Pinkshit.
Yeah, we can throw that one up there too.
From the looks of it, Kishi probably planned to make Naruto Ninja Jesus before getting the BS powerup from the sage (another plothole).
Biggest plot hole ever expained
>Dead Uchiha members get their eyehax back
>even when Itachi's eyes are in Sasuke, Itachi has access to his own Mangyekyo Sharingan and all powers associated with it
>Yet despite the ability for his body to completely regenerate eyeballs from a corpse that does not have any, and the ability to regenerate from any and all damage - using Izanagi or Izanami still causes Sharingan blindness
I'll never understand that
>Uchiha members started using Izanagi out of control to cause in fighting within the clan for some reason
>Problem got so out of hand that someone had to create the Izanami to "teach a lesson" to those who use Izanagi
>No one proposes the idea of just killing an Izanagi user twice, since they would be effectively blind and the ninja in those flashbacks were fucking shit and not on par with even Chunin level Leaf ninja
All three of the sanin was out of he village when it happened but they knew.
The Akatsuki knew even though it was a highly kept secret and no bothered to train Naruto like the other villages trained the other bijuu.
Nobody in the last generation knew either but they all "instinctively" didn't trust Naruto.
Even if the village had a huge distrust which is understandable why treat like shit or allow him to become a ninja it would make more sense to not allow him to become a ninja because of it.
So now we have faggots saying that Sakura's love for Sasuke is believable?
Jesus christ slap yourself. Sasuke should have been punched by Sakura and then have his balls rammed up his ass for what he did to her.
>How does everyone and their mother know Naruto has the fox inside of him pre-part two if it was a highly guarded secret
Shikamaru was in the hospital room when Naruto and Gaara talked about it, he could have fucking put two and two together, he's smart or some shit
>A lot of people assumed he was the Kyubi just fucking with them.
No they didn't, they 100% know what jinchuurikis were. That wasn't any big secret
>They're a clan known for their red hair and sealing techniques and had great ties with Konoha, their village was completely wiped out in the last war.
I'm pretty sure they're a clan mostly known for their clan symbol like every other clan, clan symbol which just so happens to be all around konoha and in narutos clothes. Guess they don't teach history in school
>I don't think every Uchiha awakens their Sharingan
This isn't even an argument
It was said in the beginning of the manga that awakening sharingan for an uchiha was rare, mangekyo super fucking rare, yet they had to come up with a bullshit jutsu solely because everyday soldiers were abusing izanagi so much with their mangekyos. They completely threw it all out of the window and made it trivial just so Itachi can have another asspull technique up his sleeve
Don't know is it a plothole but sometimes it was weird how most people in that universe talked about 1st hokage and madara like they were some distant legends nobody barely remembers, and then there's some people like Tsunade who clearly lived in same time when those people. Hell, probably most old people who were still alive lived at same time with 1st and 2nd hokage.
>I'm pretty sure they're a clan mostly known for their clan symbol like every other clan, clan symbol which just so happens to be all around konoha and in narutos clothes. Guess they don't teach history in school
Added wiih the fact Naruto's mom is a fucking Uzamaki.
>even when Itachi's eyes are in Sasuke, Itachi has access to his own Mangyekyo Sharingan
This is brought up when Madara is actually brought back to life after being Edo Tensei'd. His eyes deteriorated and he had to get the real ones back.
Nope, Uchiha had enough sage DNA to allow them to use it. It strained the Sharingan to the point that it would cause it to go blind instantly.
Danzo had Senju DNA from the first to allow him to make his Izanagi not simply a one time use thing, but a constant usage for a minute per eye that he can leave on and benefit from if necessary.
The backstory was the Uchiha clan, for SOME REASON, could only have one person who could use Izanagi, and they were killing each other off because only one Uchiha can weild the Izanagi or some bullshit - when in reality Izanagi only allows you to use it once - because the second time you use it you are completely blind and have no eyes left. If you are killed a third time, you are dead.
Instead someone made Izanami to counteract the Izanagi???
>Sharingan are the only thing Edo Tensei can't regenerate
>Even though it can create Sharingan out of thin air from bodies who had their eyeballs plundered long before being resurrected
- Kaguya can use every technique, has the most chakra ever and has two consciousnesses, three eyes with nearly no blind spot and still gets punched by pinkshit of all people and sealed
- Sage can only come out with someone awakens his power, doesn't come out at any time near the end
- Sage is a dead spirit, but can still give powers to people, summon the dead and have them summon for him
- Sage's sons only get one part of his power and have no genetic chance to get the other (why not), yet somehow Madara gets the "body" of the sage from the Ten Tails
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Too many to count.
Who the fuck killed these two considering how broken they fucking were, specially Hashirama
That mode constantly burned the skin off his body and cut down his total lifespan, so it's sensible they figure out a more beneficial transformation.
Just wish his new one wasn't so Orange Listerine.
Why the fuck did Sakura even marry Sasuke, He tried to kill her so many times and even when all this bullshit ended he never even shows an sort of affection towards her. No we get a"Hurr Sarada is our connection with other" Some connection you have with your daughter considering you couldn't even recognize her and almost killed her. Like seriously fuck off Kishi you can't write for shit.
Naruto didn't do anything it was obito and the fox and the third held no animostiy towards Naruto as he was one of the only ones that had any faith in him and treated him normal.
>it must be said that Tsunade's glorious Tsunades beat even Hinata's Hinatas
You sure about that, anon?
The Third didn't actually know the details of what went down, did he?
He could have presumed the Fox just escaped, right?
Housing the entity that was responsible for the death of your wife could have been taxing for his old heart, good intentions or no.
>So she held herself as better, with a greater dedication and resolve than others who knew precisely the same risks as she did.
Since when is sacrificing yourself for the sake of others not a noble but rather a conceited act? You tried to get others out of harms way and you are rebuking her for doing so.
>She deludes herself into thinking she has a snowball's chance in hell against Sausage
Danzo's suicide attack almost killed Sasegay. Sakura also planned on gaining his trust and then ambushing him. That's a reasonable plan which could've worked.
>She uses and discards others as tools for her fulfilment of her romantic vision, because she does not know or respect them.
This is not true. Your attempt to gauge her true intentions is unsuccessful and pretty silly tbh. Let's not forget that Kishi created this character. Her motives are the motives Kishi gives her. Do you honestly believe that your description fits Kishi's idea of her inner self?
As a matter of fact, she has always helped others, often by risking her own life. She discarded nobody. The most selfish thing she did in the entire series was to ask Naruto to bring Sasuke back, which is absolutely excusable and understandable.
>She holds only herself as capable of making sacrifices because fundamentally she thinks she is better than other people.
So when a firefighter resuces your kitten by risking his life, you're not thankful but despise him for his supposed smugness?
>All three of the sanin was out of he village when it happened but they knew.
Jiraiya is Naruto's godfather
Orochimaru figured it out in the Forest of Death
Not really sure about Tsunade
Itachi knew, but somehow Orochimaru didn't until later?
Mizuki and Iruka knew
>implying this shit is canon anymore
The Leaf Village is the size of that city now and clearly the world revolves around the ninjas and the normies who can't use chakra can go get fucked by a meteor.
>Housing the entity that was responsible for the death of your wife could have been taxing for his old heart, good intentions or no.
But it was shown That held no animostiy towards Naruto at all even banning all tlk of the fox and not treating him like shit even saying all the hates of peoples heart to Naruto is stupid and as far as I know there was any plans to transport the fox to Naruto at all
>Jiraiya is Naruto's godfather
But he wasn't there when the whole thing went down and didn't come back to the village after twelve whole years.
>Itachi knew, but somehow Orochimaru didn't until later?
which goes to the question in how the akatsuki knew because unlike the other villages they didn't train Naruto or let it become well known.
>Mizuki and Iruka knew
How did they? know everyone involved in that incident died except Naruto only the third knew about the sealing technique if he wanted it to be a secret he would have kept his mouth shut.
>Since when is sacrificing yourself for the sake of others not a noble but rather a conceited act?
Since you convinced others to do it alongside you, only to betray their trust and knock them out because you believed yourself to be the only one, seemingly by God's grace, entitled to make the decision as to who gets to sacrifice themselves for a goal you believe in. And then fail pitifully at reaching raid goal.
>a reasonable plan which could've worked
Right, because the mighty, unprecedented attack of catching a single fucking kunai in your back (oh no, it has some poison in it) is a huge threat to someone with that degree of power. And even if we disregard that it still could not have worked, because it relied on her clearly lacking will and resolve.
>Do you honestly believe that your description fits Kishi's idea of her inner self?
You did your fair share of freestyle interpretation of the manga, so I took the same liberties. My conclusions are better supported by the rest of the manga.
For the record i do not believe Kishi ever really delved into her character, certainly not enough to give her a real character or 'inner self'.
Even her fighting style is just a copy-paste of Tsunade's, as opposed to the rest of her teammates who each learned stuff from the other two sannin but incorporated that into what they had. Sakura had nothing and was nothing but a third wheel, hence the ease with which her actions, motivations and 'character' can be easily twisted whichever way you like.
>she has always helped others
At best she did her fucking job, occasionally even managing to do it without bitching about how she isn't in the limelight.
>she discarded nobody
Except Kiba and co. in that specific instance.
>firefighter resuces your kitten by risking his life
As was discussed throughout the thread, she could have died after getting the info out of puppet guy and nothing would have really changed in the main story, except the pity-punch at the end.
She won the race at the starting line.
Sure, I am not talking about willing, real animosity here.
I'm talking about it being difficult as fuck for him to do that much, him maybe wanting to do more, but not being able to because there was still that thing he could not cast aside.
Obviously it is all speculation on my part, and the wife didn't even exist before the flashback, but given what we were presented with, that's the most consistent interpretation I can come up with.
Hinata a cute as well as the best girl.
Shame there was not more stuff early on with those two.
Hell, just going on missions with the various teams, with some occasional fluff in there would have made for a far superior story, although that's not much to say.
I guess he realized he was Minato's kid as soon as he saw the seal?
It doesn't make sense within his character at all though sure I can see him grieving over hi wife death but blaming the birth of Naruto to be it is out of character for him especially since he didn't even want to fight and kill snakefaggot until he invaded ad tied o destroy the village.
The way he is talking about seems like he knew about it before and is only now seeing it up close.
new plothole why did Jiraiya teach Naruto jackshit when they went away for three years
Might be Itachi pulling the Yata Mirror and Sword of Totsuka from out of nowhere when he sealed Orochimaru. Two items that were never mentioned or elaborated upon before or after that incident.
It would be Naruto's backstory. It doesn't make any sense that certain characters would have just left Naruto to his own devices. Where was Jaraiya & Kakashi? We also don't know who raised him from infancy to the time he was living by himself. That in itself is s pretty big plot hole.
>a qt Hyuga pie will never gently fondle your chakra points
I am not talking about blame, just a sheer difficulty of putting aside the knowledge that the creature you think killed your wife was somewhere inside, nesting in the soul of the cute little brat in front of you.
I just noticed something, more or less.
Have we ever officially seen Hinata in a bikini or something after the Pain arc? Because she should have a scar where Tendo impaled her.
Sakura didn't even know about the Byakugan.
>Gaara's mid form looks like pic related
>All the rest look like Naruto's in part 2
I know Kishimoto is lazy, but fuck.
and again if the third had any animosity towards Naruto it would have showed. fact is he other than Iruka took time to actually punish Naruto and had faith in him. The third also visited Naruto on his birthday to see how he was doing.
This is how she survived.
Gaara becoming the sandkage was probably the single biggest asspull in the series. There's absolutely no way you become a leader of a village in 3 years from a hated, feared emo kid who's mentally unstable. Absolutely retarded
>we have all kind of war heroes, skilled fighters, politicians, people who've seen it all, have been leading alongside the previous for tens of years
>nah let's take this random kid he shows a bit of regret, why not
With his dad gone he was probably the strongest in the village, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would've noticed if that one sociopath started to become a better person.
Plus, it wouldn't be the first time a jinchuuriki became a kage.
That still goes to Sasuke and Naruto fucking DYING and being pulled into the SotSP's personal limbo and told they can't lose because they're the protagonists and get their bigass powerups.
Hasn't anyone really said about Obito's powers being like, fucking teleporting where the fuck he wants and instant kidnapping in another dimension by a mere touch ?
He could've snapped away all tailed beasts in one day.
Also, before timeskip they said Akatsuki needed to wait three years before capturing bijuus. Never explained why.
The fact is, Naruto isn't really that filled with plot-holes, but only if you trust that much Kishi's intelligence. The fact that the fans have to come up to legitimate reasons to cover up Kishi's storytelling (while he could have explained throught his characters voices, for example Konan not crushing the Rinnegan like already stated) is a bit sad.
Apparently, it was too much chakra to be sealed into a newborn baby. What I don't get is how that's a problem. Aren't the purpose of seals meant to be sealing things away? Minato and Kushina were Seal users, so I don't understand why they couldn't have used the same seal Kushina had in conjunction with the Dead Demon Consuming Seal and sealed the Kyuubi in Nardo for him to play with.
>spend twelve years doing incredibly dangerous missions from assassinations, guarding despicable bastards who pay well to espionage or ensuring locations are safe
>finally make ANBU
>probably get super speciall badass training and a cool new uniform
>this is it, champ, you made the big time now
>finally you get your new assignment
>guard a fucking baby