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What's the biggest plothole in Naruto?

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What's the biggest plothole in Naruto?
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>>132192447

Konan not destroying the Rinnegan when she knew Obito was coming for them.
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>>132192447
Everything that happened after the kage meeting and that is Tobi related.
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>>132192447
the whole 80,000 ninja army (half of them dying in a single day) when each village only gets a handful of new genin and chunin every year or however often exams are held.
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>>132192447
Naruto doesnt learn anyshit after timeskip
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>>132192447
The fact that it exists. Naruto should have never been made.
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>>132192447

Obito declaring war on the entire world for no reason. He just had to gather two more bijuus or at least get some of their chakra and he would've succeeded. What was the point of telling everybody his plan so that the kage could counteract it?
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>>132192447

Orochimaru making Sasuke strong enough to kill him. He should've just put Sasuke into a prison and wait for the ritual.
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>>132192545

I think he needed the blood from the war to grow the tree.

But the idea was also probably to create a situation that Naruto couldn't avoid getting involved in, because he's Naruto. Otherwise, they might just hide him away forever.
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>>132192592

>making Sasuke strong enough to kill him

He didn't. Sasuke never killed him. He's still kicking in Boruto even. The blue hared Luffy is even his kid, apparently.
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>all these Narutards discussing a series which ended almost a year ago
>discussing a show whose last movie came out months ago
>discussing a show which is still in filler mode and won't be out for the next two days
Go back to Gaia.
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>>132192592
Orochimaru was just weakened from his illness. He would have been stronger than Sasuke, at least during the beginning of Shippuden.

But Sasuke's power creep to becoming the 2nd strongest by the end of the series is ridiculous considering part 2 spans like what, 5 months at most?
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Everyone hates Naruto and treats him like trash even though his dad is the greatest Hokage since the First.
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>>132192719
Understandable. Naruto is annoying as fuck.
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>>132192719

This. Also: Why the secrecy? Why didn't the the third hokage, Jiraiya or any of the other people who were old enough to know what was going on tell Naruto the truth?
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>>132192767
But wasn't his annoying personality born of the resentment from the village?
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>>132192447
Where do I fucking start.
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>>132192447

Naruto's childhood considering new details revealed about his past.

It makes absolutely no sense by the end of the series but it's the foundation of his entire character
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>>132192681
Good post.
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>>132192794

Wasn't it heavily implied that he got it from his mother who was basically a female Naruto?
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>>132192881
Seriously though, all these Narutards should fuck off.
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>>132192447
>"The fuck man."
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>>132192882
I guess so, since it seems to have been passed down to Boruto as well.
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>>132192882
His super obnoxious behaviour at the beginning of the series was mostly him acting out for attention, IIRC.

>>132192998
Isn't Boruto's issue that his dad is always busy though?
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The fact that Dr. Snakes is not in prison at the end of the series.
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>>132193079

Or Sasuke for that matter.
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Fuck off narutards
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Ninjas are supposed to be mercenary for hires. Ninjas in Naruto are wizards who live in their own seclusive countries and hate each other. They have no economic development, personal motives, political movement or cultural advancement. They are just wizards in the forest cosplaying as ninjas.
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>The 4th Hokage heroically sacrificed himself to save the village, let's silently ostracize his orphan kid and traumatize him!
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>>132192447
Naruto not being taught the kage-bunshin from day 1 despite village higher-ups knowing his mother was the previous jinchuriki.
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>>132193079
>>132193105
They made best boy and best girl tho
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>>132192447
Pain not bothering to revive Madara.
Also Pain not bothering to use his rinnegan to revive anyone for that matter
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>>132192447
White Zetsu turning out to be infinite tsukuyomi victims turned into mindless zombies despite already have been said to be Hashirama clones and that there was no way for Kaguya to cast the IT before since Hagoromo didn't create the moon until after she first got sealed.
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>>132193417
Agreed, except that they do take jobs. So they're more like Wizard for hire.
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>>132193417
They do take jobs though.
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>>132192485

Love, valuable treasure and iconic value can make people do stupid things.

>>132192545

Uchiha are retarded. Also >>132192605
>Otherwise, they might just hide him away forever.

>>132192592

>>132192653 & >>132192697
Orochimaru wanted to be stronger anyway. But there's plotholes considering he was fine putting sharingan in other people anyway.

>>132193610
I'm sure Pain didn't really know who Madara was.

>>132193613
Egotistical bluff and delusion.
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>>132192447

requesting the wojak edit of this picture
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Naruto is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.

However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the jutsus, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole ninja faggotry and everything about the Naruto world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.

Naruto is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Naruto threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.
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>>132193417

Ninja are more like the armed forces of the counties they serve.

And believe it or not, all the magic shit they do comes from real daoist magic techniques that some ninja claimed they were able to use, though that was probably just to enhance their mystique.
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>>132192485
She thought that Nagato was the sage's reincarnation and that the eyes where rightfully his and showed that he was the God that saved the rain village. Not to mention that she thought she could easily kill coolest guy with the 6 hundred gorillion explosives.

When in reality he just got the eyes transplanted into him by one of the actual sage's reincarnation.
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>>132193610

Nagato thought Tobi was Madara. Also, using the resurrection ability inevitably kills the user.
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Obito was like 13 when when he attacked the leaf with kyuubi

Madara controlled the fourth mizukage just for fun, nigga was probably bored. The whole part felt like it was supposed to lead to something but Kishi just dropped it for no reason

in the beginning sharingan was a rarity in the clan, let alone mangekyo sharingan. Later it was revealed that everyone and their mother had ms, since everyone were spamming izanagi, a legendary genjutsu some people didn't even believe in, so much that izanami had to be created just to counter it. And since you can only get ms by killing your best friend, the clan was probably pretty fucking retarded and un-trusting

Clans in general should be filled with mentally handicapped retards since they've been in-breeding heavier than texas for ages
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>>132193878
>>132193697

It was a stupid reason regardless. She should have realized that if Nagato was under Tobi, she couldn't beat him, not matter what she tried. And she should've realized Nagato wouldn't want her to take such a tremendous risk for sentimental reasons. If she would have just destroyed them, the plan stretching back to Kaguya would have been totally fucked and Obito would would've had no choice but to give up on the war.
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>>132193628
>>132193659
we saw them defend a bridge from a bad money man
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>>132193851
I miss the days when Naruto threads were regularly visited by Patrick Bateman.
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>>132192447
>orange ninja
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>>132192485
Sakura the medic nin not properly destroying the Rinnegan when Obito was right in front of her face and ordering her to do it.
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>>132193105

The only people he killed were some Samurai, and I wouldn't be surprised if they tack on an ending to the anime that shows he held back and they weren't really dead.
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>>132192447
> Izanagi
> Izanami
> Army of Edotensei
> Pain
> Nobody ran out of chakra in the war
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Why are the villages so shit when there is evidently millions of normal people living in big cities? How relevant even are ninjas? They have small villages hidden somewhere, meanwhile there's a real world out there?
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>actual naruto discussion
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>>132192447
A 15-16 years old kid fighting on par with the 4th hokage.
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>>132194104
Hello there, we missed you. Could you stick around for a bit?
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>>132192524
Fuck, what a retarded post. That doesn't make sense as a response. "That it exists" isn't a plothole. If the OP had said "What is Naruto's biggest mistake?" this post would be a sick burn, but instead it's just a flaccid nothing.

How upsetting.
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>>132192605
>Hide them away
Kabuto litterly found them in half a day
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>>132193909
Obito was 18 when he attacked the village and Madara never controlled the Mizukage, it was Obito.

Look at the timeline and get your facts str8 m8
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>>132192592
>He should've just put Sasuke into a prison and wait for the ritual
If it wasn't for Itachi getting rid of the curse mark seal, then Orochimaru would have eventually taken over Sausage
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Itachi not killing Obito and Nagato before deciding to let Sasuke kill him and actually believing that constantly mindraping Sasuke and telling him to get more hatred was the right way to turn him into a hero to Konoha.
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>>132193909

>And since you can only get ms by killing your best friend

I think that was disproved though. All it really takes is an immense emotional trauma. Obito for example, never killed his best friend (that would be Kakashi).
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>>132194149
Obito most definitely wasn't 18, Kakashi isn't 18 years older than naruto. Hell Guy and Kakashi are both fucking kids when the attack happens, go look it up, they show it right there
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>>132194140
Naruto and all people who like it should just fall into a hole.
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>>132194049
there were newfags here on /a/ reading fucking akane ga kiru man. let that sink in. naruto is just a fart in the wind compared to that dogshit.
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>>132194227
Aren't most Narutards on /a/ newfags anyway?
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Sasuke being forgiven after threatening to kill the entire population of Konoha several times, being a traitor and attempting to assassinate several Kage
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>>132194173
Why would people think they need to kill their best friends then? Since Mangekyo was as common as it was, you'd think they would've figured out every way to get it, yet people thought you could only get it by killing your best friends

Another retarded plothole, Itachi was the dumbest motherfucker alive. Why did he tell Sasuke to hate everything and that hate will bring him power more than anything? Yeah hate your whole village that way your clan will be redeemed once you kill me, everyone will certainly forget what kind of an asshole you are. Surely you won't grow up to be an unstable emo faggot
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>>132192779
Naruto was never told in the series who his parents were, and never asked. When he eventually "met" his mother and father, he knew who they were immediately.

In other words, he always knew who his parents were. Everyone knew who his parents were. Nobody gave a shit...for SOME reason.
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>>132194158

>Itachi not killing Obito and Nagato

I'm pretty sure he was more a matter of "couldn't" than "didn't

>actually believing that constantly mindraping Sasuke and telling him to get more hatred was the right way to turn him into a hero to Konoha.

That was precisely to get Sasuke to kill him to get the MS. He also had a pretty solid plan for getting Sasuke back in line that only didn't work out because of an unforeseeable circumstance.
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>>132194199
Obito was 13 when he "died" and Kakashi was 9. He was the yongest member of team Minato. Look it up faggot, its all in the databook.

Thats everyones mistake. Obito and Kakashi are not the same age.
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>>132192447
I don't know about biggest plothole, but
>Iruka survives a fuckhuge slab of metal embedding itself right in his fucking spine

I'm not one of those fags who whine about Neji dying, but if Iruka, a wimpy loser who probably hasn't seen a real mission in ages could take that, then so should he.
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>>132194285

>Since Mangekyo was as common as it was, you'd think they would've figured out every way to get it, yet people thought you could only get it by killing your best friends

Well, look at who said that---it wasn't the Uchihas, it was only outsiders who had a mistaken understanding of how it worked (probably helped along by the 2nd Hokage who hated them).
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>>132194344
Having posted that, I just notice now that he has a fucking kunai stuck right in his skull too.
That fucker should be dead twice over.
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>>132193659
>>132193865
So they are PMCs, right?
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Naruto would've been a good series if it wasn't for the insane power creep. Everything up to the Tsunade arc was pretty good, then Kishi decided fuck it, lets go full DBZ
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>>132192592
Sasuke was litterly the handout to get stronger character anyway.
>MS from Itachi
>Snake shit from Oro
>IMS from Itachi again

I loved how he went from getting killed by Bee 3-4 times to being 2nd strongest in the series due to getting Itachi's eyes
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>>132194278
He said he was sorry. Yeesh
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>>132194285
The "kill your best friend" thing was only what Itachi said, because he was an idiot and trying to sound edgy.

Uchiha always activated it with extreme emotional trauma, such as the deaths of their best friends. This is how it worked for Itachi himself, even.
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>>132194320
>make a retarded story that makes no sense
>try to save face with some half-assed databooks later
Alright, how about this for a plothole; Kakashi looks like he's 13 when he's 9
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>>132194269
still older than most people here now apparently
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>>132194361
>>132194458
Why did Itachi lie to Sasuke about it? How the fuck was he planning on Sasuke becoming the hero of Konoha after killing his best friend and hating everything?
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>>132194498
He didn't expect Sasuke to listen because he's such a goody two-shoes he thought no one would do such crazy shit.
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>>132192447
Obito going toe to toe with Minato at the age of like 16-18 when a few months prior he was falling over and crying at shadow clone ninjas in the war
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>>132194406
The very first chapter mentions a demon that could cause tsunamis and fuck up mountains just by the swing of its tails.
It fought a building-sized toad.
Powerlevels were inevitable, not some big decision taken one day.
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>>132194526
>it was just a prank bro
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>>132194458
>>132194498
How exactly didn't Sausage have the MS anyway, having witnessed the death of his parents, anyway?
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>>132194547
Obito got demolished though and couldn't scratch Minato at all
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>>132194463
Well if you look at the kakashi gaiden you could kinda see that he is smaller than Obito. It was also mentioned in the manga itself that Kakashi became a jonin at the age of 9 and thats exactly what we saw in kakashi gaiden. Obitos age was only mentioned in the databooks tho
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>>132194590
He hadn't activated his sharingan at that point in the series. He was just a baby.
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>>132194593
He was deffs pressuring him. like Minato didn't have an east time of it, His experience did show when you watch the fight, if it really was Madara Minato would have gotten fucked up on Taijutsu alone
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>>132194376
I looks like it's on his arm, you can see it hit the Uzumaki symbol. But the shading of his arm and hair makes it look like the Kuna hit his head.
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>>132194344
Neji was impaled straight through by the most powerful beast in history.
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>>132194590
Looks like he didnt love his patents. He was just crying out of happiness when Itachi killed these useless bastards.
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>>132192447
SS
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>>132194400
no, because they work for the governments

They're military.
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>>132194620
>Jonin at age 9
What a fucking retarded plot point. Even Neji was like 18-20 when he became a Jonin. Let alone Chunin.
Also Kakashi got fucking Rekt in the Gaiden multiple times. Shit teir assessment their 3rd Hokage trying to suck the white fangs leggacy
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The fact that the whole war was completely pointless because Obito didn't need all the beasts anyway. I guess he was just bored
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>>132194638
No he wasn't, Minato didn't even break a sweat. Slipped once through him, then destroyed him right after seeing the slip-through technique once

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, there wasn't even any taijutsu. Just two slips and it was all over
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ITT: Nobody can find major plotholes
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Minato was the best character and I wish we got more fights with him wrecking people.
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has anybody brought up the fact that the entire meaning of the series was that the new surpass the old?
Then the oldest 3 characters end up being stronger than everyone else in the manga
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>>132194699
Kakashi apparently graduated from the academy at 5 and passed the chunin exam at 6. Even Itachi only became a chunin at 10.
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>>132194400
Pretty much
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>>132194819
Everyone hated of the son of the 4th hokage and even his godfather and his dad's student were absent for his entire childhood when they should have been here for him. This shit never made any sense. No wonder he latched onto Iruka and Sasuke, since they were the only 2 to even look at him when the closest people to his parents never did.
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>>132194819
Kaguya

just, everything about her

It's not EXACTLY a plothole, but there were no hints regarding her until nearly the end.
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>>132194819
The entire story after the timeskip is one long asspull. Kaguya was a mega asspull with zero forshadowing. It's hard to find plotholes when the plot is not cohesive in the first place
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>>132194914
Thats not a plothole, its an asspull
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>>132194804
You seem to forget litterly everything leading upto the actual confrontation.
>Stealing Naruto
>Put bombs on Naruto
>Stole Kushina
>Forced Minato to leave
>Released the 9 tales
It was more about Danger then the fight. Obito put Minato into a lot of really dangerous situations where if he fucked up or was a seccond too slow, Kushina is dead. Naruto is dead. Village destroyed. Or Minato captured in Other space
Minato was working hard for a while there.
He did really well. but even if its like you say and it was a peice of Cake for him, Should have been ez to be like 'Yo madara isn't this weak'
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>>132194910
That got retconned later, we even see a panel of him get his chunnin vest at age 11/12
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>>132194897
>the entire meaning of the series
People have claimed that the meaning of the series was a million and one things, from hard work v. genius to making friends/bonding to Kishi projecting his repressed, inhuman mess of sexual frustrations, personal failures and complete lack of ability to connect with non-autistic human beings.

Naruto as a series never once had a theme or meaning.
Individual arcs sometimes tried to, but mostly failed.
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>>132194910
What kind of fucked up logic is that?
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>>132194897
More like the meaning was that hard work surpasses natural genius... and then suddenly Naruto was the chosen one, hokage's son and some weird reincarnation I don't even remember
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>>132194699
>Even Neji was like 18-20 when he became a Jonin
Neji didnĀ“t live to his 18 birthday.
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>>132194914
>Not a single mention of her throughout the entire story
>Somehow big bad final villan who was pulling the string all along
Kishi lost a bet with one of his edditors im sure of it.
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>>132194914
That's an asspull, not a plothole.

The ending was filled with asspulls like Naruto and Sasuke learning to control their god powers in seconds, Kakashi's susanoo, Obito teleporting from the dead, Kaguya and the sage's brother.
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>>132195020
I didn't know hos old he actualy was. but >>132194910
this guy gets it. Itachi was a fucking God umongst Ninja from the age that he could walk Orochimaru had his pedo eyes on him
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>>132195002
No, the meaning of the series was always bonds and friendship
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>>132192447

Obito not reviving Rin.
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>>132192697
part 2 begins with naruto being 15 and during the war near the end, he has his 17th birthday.
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>>132195002
>>132194991
the theme of the series is that old people lie to the young and that if it seems that what they've said is right
>effort over talent/genes
>the young surpasses the new
they're actually lying and you've fallen for it.

Eugenics is good: the series
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>>132192447
Haku being a Male
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>>132192447
the whole elemental thing after 5 billion seasons.
Everyone could always use every jutsu, see kakashi or the third vs oruchimaru fight
Its especially clear when there are jutsu that just dont fit like creating fucking trees.
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>>132194914
That's not a plothole, just a complaint about story direction.
>>132194913
Jiraiya and Tsunade were fucked up back then. They couldn't take care of a child and they must of trusted the Third, because why not? Also Jiraiya was an actual important soldier doing actual ninja shit with an entire spy network.
In situations like this it really comes down to how the Japanese treat orphaned children. Traditionally it all stays within blood relatives and they don't want to shoulder the burden of someone that isn't their kid. I don't like it. It's not how it works in western countries with higher rates of adoption.
>>132194947
>unironiclly still using the term asspull
Nice meme, there was enough allusions to the origin story in the main that something was up. But still only speculation. Nothing was spoonfed, is that your complaint?
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>>132195132
grow up
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>>132192447
Neji being right all along.
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>>132194305
what are you talking about. he only recognized his father because his goddamn face was carved into the mountain and he was famous, but he didn't know that it was his dad. as for his mom, he had no clue at all who she was and even thought she could have been a trick by the fox.
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>>132194699
Kakashi got his promotion after the war started so he was just filling the spot because of the constant casualties.
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>>132195197
>Also Jiraiya was an actual important soldier doing actual ninja shit with an entire spy network.
He apparently also had time to become a best selling author.
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>>132195198
How about you? He's completely right.
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>>132195197
>Nothing was spoonfed
>In Naruto
Seriously?
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>>132195242
Dude lived the life man.
Crazy rich
Fucked hundreds of girls
Never lost bar fights coz Sanin ninja
Drifed arround collecting intel the whole time
Jiraiya was my favourite character tbh
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>>132195218
>but he didn't know that it was his dad
The first time they met before Kyuubi's seal, I distinctly remember Naruto calling Minato "dad" before Minato said anything like "son"
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>>132195280
Nothing with Kaguya. Are you serious?
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>>132195314
>Crazy rich
>Stealing a kid's lunch money
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>>132195353
>not stealing kid's lunch money
NEEEEERRRRRRD
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I found the whole 4th Hokage with half Kurama very unsettling.
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>>132195353
By rights Naruto should have been Harry potter loaded though.
His dad was the fucking Hokage.
>>132195446
This. Fuck man. Naruto was Recking on levels 10x higher then Killer Bee and then its like "Ohh this is only half your power all along"
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>>132195446
Yeah, I never understood that.

Why can't Kyuubi be sealed into a child whole?
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>>132195349
A manga where every character stops mid fight to explain how their special move works. And suddenly you say that the author doesn't spoonfeed because some extremely vague shit in previous chapters may or may not refer to Kaguya. It's a little bit absurd to suggest that in a manga known for it's extreme spoonfeeding, but ok, if you insist there were clear signs foreshadowing Kaguya specifically point them out and change my mind.
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>>132194285
>Itachi was the dumbest motherfucker alive.

Seconded. He should've stayed a generic villian. As a "good guy", he is the worst written character of any manga I've ever read.
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>>132195566
>hey
>see this ultimate being me and my brother had to kill?
>yeah, we killed her, not possibility we didn't
>there's no way she got away somehow
>nope
>she's the ultimate chakra being, brought chakra to humanity, and went insane
>but we killed her so fagettaboutit
>there's no way she's the final boss, being the most powerful and all
>yep
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>>132195620
You haven't read a lot of manga.
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>>132194400
They where PMC's until they realized that permanently working for a faction was more profitable.
They still do PMC work.

The entire point of the the great pre Shippuuden filler saga is the PMC work.

>>132194406
The power creep didn't go all in until we got Pain.
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>>132195197
>there was enough allusions to the origin story in the main that something was up.

Everyone in the entire ninja world knew about the sage of six paths, though they regarded him as a myth, yet nobody ever said shit about Kaguya until Madara told Hashirama about the chakra tree somewhere around the last 50 chapters
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Today I finally understood the obvious meaning of Naruto's spiral symbol. It symbolizes the cycle of friendship and strife we have seen throghout the series:

Asura - Indra

Madara - Hashirama

Danzo - Hiruzen

Orochimaru - Jiraiya

Minato - Yashio

Obito - Kakashi

Naruto - Sasuke

Sarada - Bolt
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I dropped the story due to losing interest, but was it ever explained why Sakura loved Sasuke?
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>>132196038
Who the fuck is Yashio?
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>>132195667
The fuck. That was only mentioned a few chapters before shes introduced in the same arc. So you agree there was no indication that Kaguya would be the last boss before the last 50 chapters
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>>132196104
50 chapters is enough dumbass. Did you want it from the first? Are you mad that Madara being alive wasn't mentioned from the get go too? How about Orochimaru? Or Obito? Or every other villain?
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>>132193043
>his dad is always busy though?
His dad whos signature move is creating hundreds of clones is busy. Seems legit.
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>>132192697
2 years actually
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>>132196091

Filler shit.
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The reason they forgive Sasuke all the time
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The biggest plothole was how everybody kept ignoring the big sacrifices Sakura made, even the fans of the series themselves.

When I ask people why they dislike Sakura, these are the usual responses I get:

>she is useless

She is by far the most useful Kunoichi in the series. Not only was she the only Kunoichi who took out an Akatsuki member (with less help than Shikamaru mind you), but she also assisted in the fight against Kaguya. If it wasn't for Sakura, Kaguya would have won.

>she is obsessed with Sasuke even after he betrayed the village

We cannot decide who we love.

>she barely even interacted with Sasuke. She just likes him because of his good looks.

It's called "love at first sight". If her attraction was purely physical, she would've just went after another good looking guy.

>she screwed with Hinata by telling Naruto that she loves him

This is one of the most overblown things in the series. It's obvious that Sakura would have told Naruto the truth after Sasuke was defeated. Sakura just wanted Naruto to stop going after Sasuke for her sake. After the Sasuke issue was resolved, Sakura would have told Naruto the truth and Hinata could have gotten together with him. Sakura was very selfless in that scene and only wanted to do what's best for her comrades.

>Sakura mistreated her daughter

She didn't intend to destroy the house. She has super strength and sometimes loses control of it just like Goku did when he punched Chichi through a wall.

>she didn't feel sorry for Naruto enough

At first, she simply couldn't put herself into his shoes because her situation was so different. She had very strict parents and therefore wished for the freedom Naruto had. To her, he looked like a happy kid that could go around pranking people all day without parental supervision. Later, she understood his pain and felt sorry for him. She grew as a character.

>she is flat

Connoisseurs know that DFC is best.

>too yandere

Better than being a creeper like Hinata.
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>>132196203
Madara was first foreshadowed in the first valley of the end fight

Obito actually showed up in the manga before any of the non-team 7 rookies did

Hagoromo got first mentioned around chapter 350, there's no excuse for not knowing shit about his mom until when Naruto and Sasuke were fighting juubi Obito.
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>>132192447
Ninjas existing in modern times
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>>132196299
He's very good looking, also he sort of saved the world.
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>>132196299
What are Sasuke's actual crimes? He killed some samurai in Iron country, and incinerated the raikage's arm. Then what? Engaging in fights? That's not so bad. Maybe 20 years of prison if we're in Yuropoorland.
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>>132196357
So you need to be spoonfed like a baby at every turn. Great.

We're done here.
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>>132196380
There's feudal lords and shit. It's olden times, they just seem to have a few modern inventions laying around.
Sometime between chapter 699 and 700 they industrialize and technology does impede on ninja shit, see the cheating device.
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>>132194699
Neji was 14-15 when he became Jonin. Wwhen Naruto comes back he's 15 and Neji is already a Jonin.
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>>132196452
You said Kaguya was forshadowed. People point out she really wasn't and you throw a shitfit. You're wrong.
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>>132194914
Actually if you read the manga again.

In every major future deciding event there was a full moon.
Madara vs Hashirama? Full moon, Obito goes dark side? Full moon, Kyubi attacks Konoha? Full Moon.

And there's a few more I think.
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>>132196567
Keep trying, maybe try another strawman?
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>>132196514
Hilarious how the filler's explanation for Neji becoming a jonin was that he was around to save Gaara from some faggot with a guitar so they gave him a double promotion.
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>4chan is having a productive Naruto discussion

H-HOW IS THS POSSIBLE?!
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>>132196503
>they just seem to have a few modern inventions laying around.
Like an entire modern city?
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>>132196658
No shitposters or shipfaggots
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>>132196413
>desertion
>defection to the enemy
>terrorism
>aiding a terrorist organization
>conspiracy to wipe out a whole city
>murder of an acting head of state
>disrupting a high level diplomatic meet and killing several of the guards
>murdering/mindraping that one Cloud guy he pressed for info
>attacking a Cloud VIP with intent to kidnap
>attempted murder of several heads of state
>attempted murder of Leaf Shinobi
>attempted murder of two Leaf VIPs (Kakashi, Naruto)
>attempted murder of all the heads of states again
>attempting to murder the hero of the war
>conspiracy to become Batman

Throw in the damages he did in all his chimpouts as vandalism, because fuck you.
The fucker should have been publicly executed.
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>>132196583
And every time someone sort of important dies it rains. That doesn't mean it would have made sense for the rain milf to be the final boss.
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>>132196689
>>132196380

It's not supposed to take place in our world. There are talking frogs, giant monsters and magical space aliens if you haven't noticed.
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>>132196627
And you don't even know what a strawman is. You're just wrong dude, give it up. There was literally no sign of Kaguya anywhere in the series until halfway through the final arc when she's mentioned by the sage. That's inexcusable. And it makes you look dumb if you accept that kind of shoddy writing and try to convince people it actually makes sense that the big bad of the series isn't mentioned, referred to or appears AT ALL before the final 50 chapters
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>genius third Hokage and talent of today's ninja
>first and second Hokage are unbeatable
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>>132196764
Doesn't change the fact there's an entire fucking modern city right behind the village meaning they're clearly in a technological era.
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>>132196689
I do not think you read my whole post.
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>>132196503
see this >>132194103

Does this shit look feudal? From the sasuke vs deidara episode
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>>132196761
>Rain Milf

Yes pls.
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>>132196807
That was clearly not made between 699-700.
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>>132196837
>feudal
*olden times, I'm tired
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>>132196749
>attempted murder of two Leaf VIPs (Kakashi, Naruto)

It's ok, they both love him. One of them officially pardoned him and the other still considers him the most important person of his life

>attempted murder of all the heads of states again

The current kages are now BFFs with him (even though they all personally witnessed his kage summit chimpout). Does anybody have the picture of him, Boruto and the kages?
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>>132193417
except Ninja are the japanese version of a wizard in japanese legends they were thought to have mystical powers
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>>132196885
We see that whole area as a forest as late as The Last.
They went and built a city there in about twelve years.

>>132196837
Was that the abandoned city with the catgirl and cat granny living there?
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>>132196583
Funnily enough, Kaguya wasn't even in the moon anymore when most of that stuff happened, she was inside Madara's creepy dungeon.
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>>132193865
most likely when they used smoke bombs and other explosives stupid farmers and soldiers thought it was magic
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>>132192447
Would you a Kaguya /a/?
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>>132196959
>a tiny ass village built a modern city in their spare time for no reason
>keeps their own shitty ass wood huts
You know that saying rome wasn't built in a day? It wasn't.
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>>132196959
No, it was just a random city in the background when deidara blew himself

clearly there's modern huge-ass cities. Here's the shot from manga
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>>132196749
>all those failed attempts

Sasuke really sucks at murdering
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>>132197046

>>132196977
>Madara had a Kaguya rape dungeon

Damn dude was based
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>>132196689
>no more quiet comfortable community
>old village is nothing more than a historic district
>subhuman scum will concentrate and multiply in the city as they always do

Yeah thanks Naruto
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>>132197055
That art honestly doesn't look that bad, it's a pity about the consistency and everything else about it.
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>>132197083
She doesn't care if you're a wizard either
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>>132197126
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>>132197158
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>>132197126
>Her own son had her inside him for years
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>>132197126
>>132197158
I'm not opposed to the idea of Kaguya, but we should have seen more of her.
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>>132197158
So that's the reason why she just dropped him in a desert instead of killing him
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>>132197236
I wish Kishi would sexualize his females a bit more.

Sakura has the ass
Hinata has the tits
Ino has the everything
10/10
Anko the horny sensei
Tsunade the milf
Kaguya the monstermilf
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>>132196781

This always bothered me. Why was the third hokage such a legend? He was a weakling compared to the first and arguably on par with the second.
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>>132197313
>Tsunade the milf
She lacks one of the key requirements to be a milf
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>>132197313
Give 10/10 the ass and Sakura gets the ugly, but desperate weirdo status, then we have a deal.
Bonus points for making Anko aggressive and seductive, but actually broken as fuck who just wants a shoulder to cry on and someone to hold the bucket of butter she dips everything she constantly eats to cope in.
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>>132197236
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>>132197449
The Third was the strongest of all the Hokages, he was just an old man and far past his prime.
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>>132192719
That is the biggest one, but the entire series is just an excuse to see magic ninjas fight.
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>>132197527
>The Third was the strongest of all the Hokages

No, he wasn't.
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>>132197608
The First and the Second couldn't beat him even when the double teamed him
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>>132197049
>keeps their own shitty ass wood huts

They are a lot more comfy and look far better than the fugly skyscrapers. The old parts of a town are usually the best. Modern shit is build for efficiency only and has no soul.

>a tiny ass village built a modern city in their spare time for no reason

The world was devasted after the war and probably left thousands of people homeless. They had to rebuild anyway. My guess is many gathered around the no longer hidden village of the leaf becase they felt safer with the world's hero nearby.
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>>132192447
Sasuke's last move in his fight against Deidara, considering he was out of chakara. That was pure bullshit.
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>>132197644
The canon explanation is that Orochimaru wasn't capable of bringing them back at full strength at the time.

The actual one is of course that Kishi hadn't yet thought of making Hashirama the most OP character of the series or the Senju the most powerful clan in the Nardoverse, so be retconned it later.
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>>132197689
>The world was devasted after the war and probably left thousands of people homeless.
It also left tens of thousands dead, what do you know, some homes just became available.
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>>132197313

Most importantly, Sakura has DFC.
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>>132197802
Except in doujins.
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>Jiryia says Akatsuki is collecting tailed beasts in part 1
>Start of part 2 they apparently havent collected a single on yet, everyone still seem to know their purpose

Did someone just leak everything from the top secret mercenary organization? Also what were they doing all the way up to part 2? Why wait so long to begin collecting?
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>>132197844

I wonder why there are so few good doujins of Naruto. It's fairly popular, yet most of the stuff is garbage.

Picture related is one of the few good ones.
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>>132197908
>Did someone just leak everything from the top secret mercenary organization?

You forgot about Itachi?
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>>132197908
>Also what were they doing all the way up to part 2?
Getting shekels

>Why wait so long to begin collecting?
I think it was something about the statue not being ready to store tailed beasts until 3 years later
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>>132192508

That part of the series always confused me.

You have these exams that only graduate a dozen or less kids per 6 months for 'all participating countries'. We see that they have many classes of kids but not all get through, what is the drop out ratio?

No one bats and eye at child wizard soldiers, even in fire land, yet a big deal is made about it. Though some of them do it for various reasons, they want to, family tradition, war orphan revenge etc.
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>>132192447
>be Sasuke
>have constantly better and better eyes magic hacks
>don't fucking steal techniques
Like if he only stole that lighting armour that gets both your raction time and body faster then he could have steamrolled half of the enemies.
And you would think Orochimaru would give his pupil some weak but diverse jutsu so his almost future body would be able to mold different chakras faster.
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This stupid dumb idiot head right here. I won't even go into the entire Itachi-Sasuke stuff.

His entire mission made no sense and was stupid. They send one of their strongest warriors to infiltrate the enemy and spy for them. Ok fair enough. But after he already knew what they were planning, he still kept helping them! Let's not forget that Itachi (especially an Itachi with a fresh MS) can beat almost every Akatsuki member. He one-shotted Deidara like fodder.

Here's what you do if you're Itachi and not a retard: Tell the Leaf the next target big of Akatsuki, betray them right then and there and murder most of them with the help of your friends from the Leaf village. Then you only have to worry about Obito and Pain AND you still have Shisui's eye which, once it's ready, can be used to one-shot one of them.
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Obito surviving the boulder
Kakashi not going blind via using the kamui repeatedly
Kakashi getting chakra from a dead Obito
Kakashi being able to use the Susanoo
Sasuke not being put in prison after the war
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>>132196256

Something something not the real you something something don't love me etc.

Obvious solution is to play with the kid and send the clone to do admin work.

Why the fuck doesn't everyone use it daily anyway? Sure it halves your mana supply, but you could pop out like 4 of the fuckers and get 4x the admin work done, unless you have to fight there's no fucking reason why you shouldn't be spamming this, if just to get chores done.
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>>132198247
Compared to the rest of the characters, Sausage actually bothered to have a varied moveset with plenty of techniques.
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>>132197489
Except she's canonically beautiful despite her forehead complex so whatever, I don't care about your hateboner for fictional characters.
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>>132198247
If he only bothered to steal the Rasengan he would not have had to deal with the stupid, and probably wasteful piece of shit of a technique Kakashi pulled out of his ass.
I mean early on he could only use it fucking twice a day.
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>>132198247
Most people only get one special jutsu in the ninja world.
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>>132198303
>Kakashi not going blind via using the kamui repeatedly
That was only late into the war arc. My question would be how the fuck Obito did not go blind.
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>>132194305

I never understood this whole thing.

Fire has the fox for 100 years or so, populace are at least aware of one poor soul being used as a container, same for other villages. Mother dies and fox somehow gets out, Dad suicides to seal it in his kid because that's the bloodline that has traditionally sealed it. Somehow in all this average joes have lost a few people because the fox fucked the place up. Because of this a RATHER BIG LORE THING the people treat the kid like shit (and because reasons he doesn't go all gaara).

The populace are at least aware of these monsters, many know the kids the damn vessel, the know the vessel can become fucking strong and they still treat it like shit. Then the kid goes up living in some shit apartment. Who pays for it? Who the fuck raised him?
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>>132198415
She was explicitly mentioned as a girl who is NOT cute in the original sketches, wasn't she?
I don't mind people liking her, even if I personally hate her, but 10/10 ought to have the ass with her whole thing being much more physical, and Sakura's fixation on the Sauce does imply obsession of some kind anyway, so make that into a sexy trait. Hell, it would spice up her lack of personality.
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>>132198420
To be fair, the Rasengan is impossible to steal with Sharingan, due to no hand seals.

What bothers me, is the fact that its called an uber advanced technique, even though its only some chakra manipulation, that even Naruto managed to do in a week
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>>132192447
pic absolutely related
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>>132193865

I wish the series spent more time on the other nations, the relationship between the 'king' and the ninja mercs/military.
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>>132198333
Considering the amount of chakra he has it doesn't even half the supply, there is literally no reason to not do it other than wanting to be an asshole to his kid.
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I personally still don't understand where Nagato's, Madara's, Hashirama's and Sasuke's immense power came from. According to the physical laws of the Naruto world, you need chakra to do magic. You don't have infinite chakra unless you're a zombie (for some reason), it takes time gathering it and you can run out of it. I have no problem with Kaguya because she ate the fruit. It also made sense that the sage had this immense power after he absorbed the Yubi. But what about Nagato, for instance? Sure he got the eyes which allow him to do super magic. But you still need chakra to fuel the super magic, don't you? Where is he getting it from? Why does he have so much more of it than anybody else? Was it stored in the eyes by Madara? If so, where did he get it from? Indra's ghost? But if Indra's ghost gives you immense chakra reserves, then why didn't Sasuke have immense chakra reserves since the very beginning?
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>>132198576
>Original sketches
Yeah, glad you realize you're talking about sketches.

And I get your 10/10 has the ass thing but Sakura has a big ass too, in part 1 before Kishi started making every female ugly there was a few Sakurass drawings.

10/10 is the china girl like that Kenichi one.
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>>132198625
More politics, less Uchiha faggotry, maybe something apropos of Orochimaru starting up a whole new nation.
But Kishi simply does not have the knack to write anything even remotely passable anyway, so it's hardly worth the bother.
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>>132198662

Nagato is an Uzumaki giving him strong life energy.

Madara and Hashirama were born in war. They had intense training as children, powerful bloodlines and strong determination for their ideals.

Sasuke was a genius who possessed a powerful blood line. He is the reincarnation of Indra.
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>>132198576
In the original sketches Naruto was a literally a fox.

Tenten has a /fit/ body, Sakura has a big ass and DFC. Tenten doesn't have a big ass, she has a /fit/ tomboy ass.
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>>132197844

She does in the ones I read. I hate cowtits.
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>>132197213
Kinky.
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>>132198713
I am entirely content with both having ass, but the post I replied to tied one central feature to each girl for the most part, hence my suggestion to make the ass 10/10's thing and the desperate/slightly crazy stuff becomes Sakura's.

Of course if we move beyond the single central feature, it must be said that Tsunade's glorious Tsunades beat even Hinata's Hinatas, who herself must have superb, soft thighs and upper arms.
Then there is also Shizune and Ino, who may not be best girls, but are fucking great fap material and have a perfect balance of everything.
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>>132198030
Don't forget the condom.
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>>132196583
>>132196583

Back when we thought the snake rabbit Orochi wanting an immortal body plotline/motif would come to pass.

I don't think everything about her was a complete asspull but how it came to pass was fucking terrible, I think there was a mention of her on the uchiha tablet, and being based on old jap myths feels fine for the setting. But it was still a terrible way to introduce the entire lore of the world so rapidly and disjointed.

It could have worked if it was done slower and didn't have her appear just to one hit kill the strongest thing in the series.
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>>132198291
this
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>>132198834
>Nagato is an Uzumaki giving him strong life energy.

Right, I forgot about that. It still seems a bit too much. He was able to fight toe to toe with the nine tails after nuking an entire city. I doubt the average Uzumaki has the chakra required for doing this.

>Madara and Hashirama were born in war. They had intense training as children, powerful bloodlines and strong determination for their ideals.

That hardly explains why they are on an entirely different level power-wise. Other Uchiha and Senju grew up in wartimes as well and they didn't throw nukes around the place so that the maps had to be redrawn.

>Sasuke was a genius who possessed a powerful blood line.

Sure but we have seen him having a limited chakra supply. He runs out of it after doing a certain amount of magic. If he had enormous supplies due to Indra's ghost, why did he run out of it earlier in the series? He should've had unnaturally big chakra reserves from the very beginning if him being a reincarnation is the explanation for his powers later.
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>>132198978
>Ino may not be best girl
Fuck you m8.

Hinata is a fat and full of useless meat that's why she has soft thighs, chubby chaser.
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>>132196583
Itachi slaughtering the Uchiha was full moon too.
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>>132194148
I'm starting to get why some people are annoyed by the word "literally" nowadays
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>>132199081
>Hot kid, average teen, ugly adult.

That seems to be the pattern for most females of the series.
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Naruto(Anime/Manga) itself is a plothole.
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>>132197158
Remember that scene when she goes all the blush, teary eyes and touches their cheeks?
I was diamond hard.
If I were Sosque I would immediately genuflect her. Like the whole war would end with me teleporting with her to bedroom dimension. And whoever would be able to pull me out from that sweet booty would be called a next king of Britania.
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>>132199152
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>>132199081
I like Ino, she has her moments and looks great, but there isn't too much about the character that I liked.
The most likable bits of characterization she got, beyond the generic 'everyone does their best in the war' thing and the admittedly decent co-op move she pulled with Hinata were the Hyuuga sisters filler bits of her when she excitedly tries to describe Naruto's Rasenshuriken to Neji and Hinata.
If she had a bit more of that and a few lines to show some growth of personality, maybe even her being mature and sensible enough to move past the Sauce and get interested in other guys (Sai, Kiba, or even Naruto, it doesn't matter), then I would be very happy to consider her a contender for being best girl, a very strong one, even.
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>>132192447
So we can all agree the powerlevels are

Kaguya>=Madara Jinchuuriki 2 rinnegan + forehead eye>>>Hagoromo jinchuuriki>>Naruto>Sasuke>Hamura

Leaving aside movie faggots that I don't care about.
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>>132199120

This knobhead says "literally" and "honestly" like a million times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk_L0vzxrTk
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>>132199026
This. It's a real shame how Kishimoto introduced and handled her.
I think it would have been cool if her existence had always been common knowledge in the Narutoverse, but like as a fairytale of a benevolent creator/mother. That would have made her appearance as the final boss much more impactful, and shocking to boot.

Oh well. She's cute, at least.
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>Naruto thread
>Ctrl+F "Uchiha Fucking Shits"
>0 results found

Uchiha Fucking Shits
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>>132199067

>He was able to fight toe to toe with the nine tails after nuking an entire city. I doubt the average Uzumaki has the chakra required for doing this.

He was crippled in the fight he had with Hanzo of the Salamander; so he could move his weak body. This in turn forced him to use the paths. Hence I assume he had some form of technology to enhance his chakra level.


>Other Uchiha and Senju grew up in wartimes as well and they didn't throw nukes around the place so that the maps had to be redrawn.


Madara, Sasuke and Hashirama are all reincarnations of Indra and Ashra. Sasuke wasn't able to tap to his hidden power because SO6P didn't think it was needed. Only when the situation of the Shinobi world was at a climax would he grant the powers. Not only that with sharingun Madara and Sasuke can use their chakra very efficiently meaning no waste. Hence why they can last so long. Hashirama was a genius as well who surpassed all his peers with his knowledge of every jutsu in the village. By practicing and learning to hone his powers, he was able to create powerful jutsus.
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>>132199441
It would have been neat if the village had a bit more defined architectural style, with the religious motifs of the Will of Fire, the symbol of the Hidden Whirlpool, woodcuts of the establishment of the village, maybe the odd statue of recognizable clan heads offering their allegiance to the village were fairly inconspicuously in the background of scenes. Then it would have been easy to sneak motifs of her among them, as a reoccuring figure.
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>>132192447
Neji dying
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>>132199255
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>>132198662
They are all ninja God reincarnations from the two strongest bloodlines in the nardoverse. They were all destined to be ridiculously overpowered.
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>>132198662
I would buy Nagato shit if he used chakra stealing path more. Or said that he can store excess chakra in other path or some shit.
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>>132199631
>She's Yandere

Damn best girl.
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>>132199558
>Sasuke wasn't able to tap to his hidden power because SO6P didn't think it was needed. Only when the situation of the Shinobi world was at a climax would he grant the powers.

Ok. I would be willing to accept that if it wasn't for Madara. Surely the SO6P didn't give this power to Madara so he could fuck shit up.

I know this is a shonen and it was inevitable that the main characters get a lot stronger than everybody else. What bothers me is them being unntarually strong without ever been given a good explanation for their strength. They could've at least said something like "Wow Naruto and Sasuke learned how to cosntantly absorb nature energy while they are moving."
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We were supposed to feel sorry for the Uchihas since they were unfairly blamed for the Kyuubi attack then we lear it were actually two Uchihas who caused it.
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>>132198576
>>132198889
They're in Databook 1 right?

It's probably not true, but I remember hearing that Kishi wanted the story to be Naruto being Kakashi's apprentice, the it was changed to Team 7 with Naruto, Kakashi, and Hinata with Sasuke dying during the Zabuza arc, to the current iteration? Any truth to that?
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>>132199625
That wasn't a plot hole, that was cheap drama
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>Serious Naruto discussion on /a/
Why is this thread still up? Are these people seriously talking about a manga which already ended?
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>>132199791

Huh? Sasuke was the best ninja in the entire class. He was a prodigy in both chakra control and jutsus. He grew up, trained, honed his ability to a sharp focus all because he had a large drive to kill his brother.

Compare that to the other ninjas in the village who had no ambition anywhere near that large.
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>>132200073
>It's probably not true, but I remember hearing that Kishi wanted the story to be Naruto being Kakashi's apprentice, the it was changed to Team 7
Yes

>with Naruto, Kakashi, and Hinata with Sasuke dying during the Zabuza arc
No, you mixed made up bullshit with the stuff that actually happened. Hinata was never meant to be a main character and Sausage was never meant to die.
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>>132200062
You know, we never did get an explanation for what they were doing that night.

>>132198662
>>132199679
Nagato is a Uzumaki, they have a ton of chakra in general.
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>>132200265
Why are you acting like thats something unusual?
Lurk more faggot, its happening every day, right here on /a/
Not only about Naruto.
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>>132200073
There's a bunch of speculation floating around.
We do know of some original plans, like Naruto being an actual fox, the cub of the Nine Tails that died, being sent into the city. It doesn't have nina shit, just the kitsune transforming into a human boy with fox-ish features, that looks like Naruto proper.
I'm pretty sure you can still find that pilot chapter around.

Then you had the ninja concept enter (there is also talk of Naruto being meant to be a cooking manga then a Harry Potter ripoff), and a whole new batch of concept art: Kakashi sans mask, the Third Hokage as a dog, Hinata as a civilian princess as the romantic interest.

Then a bit later the editor suggested the idea of a team and a rival and Kishi really liked that, the opportunity to create his own Vegeta and called it Sasuke. I think originally he had a bunch of Native American looking necklaces and whatnot, but that was cut down later, for the same reason Naruto's goggles were switched for the pussy deflector.
Sakura for the most part was 'the girl' and a NOT cute girl in the sketches. She was later prettied up in a stupid attempt to make people like her more, but never progressed on from that.
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>The world is a cruel place. Constant devastate the land. Child soldiers are forced to kill each other. Living things are being burned and tortured alive in all the creative ways which humans and nature can devise.

>One brave man devotes his life to change all of that.

>The brave man finds a way to make all people happy, to give them rest and peace at last.

>"He wants to create a perfect world of love and peace for all of us? All of us will live in perfect bliss? He is evil and insane! Kill him immediately!"
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>>132200416
Yeah, Sasque had so much bling on him at first that the Kishi had to revise his design as it would take drawing 2-3 panels of him as long as whole chapter
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>>132200416
Also forgot the Fourth looking like a fucking meth dealer. That should have stayed, as a handy explanation of just why didn't he save his wife, effectively double the amount of Jinchuuriki his village had, and ensure his child had a mother.
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>>132200521
To be fair, he was essentially killing everyone off since they were being converted into white zetsus.
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>>132192592
Sauce tricked him. He made Orochimaru believe he was fine with him taking his body. But when he felt orochimaru had no more to teach he pulled the carpet out from under him
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>>132200521
>Constant devastate the land.
>now excuse me as I chop the top off this mountain with my chakra gundam
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>>132200521
It's all a lie. His way is just an illusion. It's escapism.
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Sakura managing to use a sleeping grenade on Sai, Lee, and Kiba but completely shit the bed as soon as she laid eyes on the Sauce.

Kiba has a super enhanced sense of smell, probably smelled the fucking sleeping grenade and didn't think "gee, Sakura has NEVER used one of these before, I wonder what she's carrying it for!"

Sai is garbage and probably would've fell for it.

Lee couldn't speed out of the radius of the explosion? Reaaaaaaaaally Kishimoto?
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>>132200652
You know, wanting to achieve world peace and make everyone achieve their dreams is a better final boss motivation than "I need an army of a billion fodder zombies to fend off my fruit stealing cousins"
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>>132200691
If not for the Sharingan's unexplained ability to resist your body being taken over AND somehow even absorb the guy trying to take you over, he would have been royally fucked.
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>>132200652

That's another strange thing. We later learn that the IT transforms people into Zetsus. Yet, we saw some of them in their imaginary world. What's the point of creating the happy imaginary world if you'll just turn them into mindless soldiers anyway. We also never learned why Kaguya needed an army of worthless fodder so badly.
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>>132194079
They are definitely dead unfortunately. When sasuke collapsed the ceiling everyone that wasn't standing directly next to Gaara or Ay was killed. But still sasuke has done more good than bad
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We never did find out who lived in these castles.
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>>132200712
>It's escapism.

What's wrong with that? If there was a machine that could give us whatever desirable or pleasurable experiences we could want, most of us would use it constantly.
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Also, Sasuke developed Kirin, what was at the time (before all the Indra/Six Path/Rinnegan fuckery) and only used it once? Ever? On his brother.

Didn't use it against anyone else. For no fucking reason. Ever.

He called down a fucking tiger made from pure lightning and didn't think it would be useful again in any other way. Ever.

Alright, Kishimoto. Whatever you say.
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>>132200851
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>>132200851

I think they used to be Kaguya's. She is pretty much the only living thing that has access to these dimensions as far as we know.
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>>132200851

That's not a fucking plot hole you dunce.

I hate this shit series as much as the next regular /a/ denizen, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know it was just subtle world building and nothing more.
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>>132200748
I fucking hate Sakura, but if Kishi actually had the balls to make her legit try to lead a squad of her old classmates (plus Lee) and take the crazy poor fuck behind the shed and put him down for his own good, I think I could have grown to actually respect her.

Instead we got a fake, failed confession that highlighted her complete self-centeredness, lack of understanding of others, lack of ability to plan, utterly absent self-respect or respect for a friend she claims to care about, an all around cementing of her as Pinkshit.
Even abandoned for twelve years and being a pathetic mental wreck was too good a fate for the bitch she was.
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>>132200859
No, because it's a lie. Fundamentally it's just suicide. You're ending your life out of weakness and escaping the real world. You're too weak for this world but it's not too late. You have potential, you can be strong, you can succeed.
You don't need a machine to be happy, it's a false happiness.
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>>132200851
She would take Sasuke there for the sole purpose of procreation
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Pretty sure Kirin was the move he was going to use on Naruto, Yamato, and Sakura when he first met them after the timeskip before Orochimaru stopped him.
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>>132201031
>>132200872
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>>132200962

I was so hyped she managed to actually sleep Sai, Lee, and Kiba. I was honestly impressed.

All those chapters of that "resolve" to end Sasuke's bullshit.

But no. As soon as she sees him her character development nosedives yet again.

Sakura only had one good part in the entire Naruto series. And that was when she was Chiyo's human puppet in the Sasori fight.

Fucking Kishimoto.
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>>132199255
Oh fuck me
i really hate all that "funny comment heres a reaction pic" bullshit but god damn that one actually made me laugh
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>>132200962

She was willing to kill the person she loved, thus sacrificing her own happiness for the greater good.

The fake confession was an attempt to release Naruto from his promise. The fact that it failed miserably is understandable since Sakura must've been an emotional wreck at the time. It's sad that most people jump on the "Let's hate Sakura" bandwagon instead of trying to understand the character a little better.
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>>132201115
Obito one was better IMO
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>>132201093
It would have been interesting if she died, either in that fight or as a result of the Fox chimpoing out while fighting Orochimaru.
There would have been no loss of plot, it would have given Naruto something to impact him, completely ripping apart even the illusion of the old team ever coming back.
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>>132192447
ITT: Still nobody can find a major plothole.

Feels great
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>>132196749
I tend to excuse the kage summit related things since Obito threatened him into going and then set him up. Sasuke and taka made it clear they had no intention of targeting the other heads of state and they literally camped by the exit waiting for the meeting to end so they could follow danzo home without causing a disturbance. But then obito had zetsu set them up and the Kages targeted Sasuke, who naturally defended himself. He still broke some laws but he was kinda strong armed into doing it
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>>132201146

It wasn't love though lol. Japan has this crazy obsession with calling a "crush" and making it undying love.

Sasuke was right in all his lectures towards her. Sakura doesn't know the first fucking thing about Sasuke; she merely thought he was "cool" and "mysterious" and just straight up attractive.

Having a childhood crush on a sociopath who's tried to kill her on multiple occasions isn't love. It's delusion.
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>>132201146
She handled that whole thing completely wrong, false confession or no.
She didn't have the will to go through with the attempt, she took out her own fucking team for no reason, she played the can-I-join-you bullshit instead of for once showing some backbone and telling him that she's here to kill him, for his sake. Or something.
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>>132199605
Damn, son.
It's too bad we can't go back in time and write the manga for Kishimoto, because that's a really neat idea.
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You guys do know that all of these complaints are pretty fucking shallow?

This isn't made with you in mind, it made for kids. You guys are out of the demographic and the nationality. Complaining about slice of life moeshit is more valid than complaining about Naruto. At least moeshit is made with 20 year old otakus in mind.
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>>132200521
Madara was trying to brainwash all of humanity into being happy and peaceful. He was literally casting the ninja equivalent to Instrumentality.
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>>132201533
>You guys do know that all of these complaints are pretty fucking shallow?
>all these complaints

You do realize nobody was able to find a major plothole like the OP asked for right?
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>>132201594
What about >>132200342?
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>>132201594
>if I just say "heh no u" without actually addressing any of them it'll seem like I'm smart and right!
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>>132192447
I didn't watch it closely nor really liked it when it aired on like Adult Swim or Toonami. Can someone tell me if his gay little "im actually a super powerful million tailed fox deity thingy" thing is actually important, or just something that resolved itself within the first arc of the show?
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>>132201313

You never heard of love at first sight?

>>132201316
>She didn't have the will to go through with the attempt

It was extremely hard for her once she encountered him. That shows her humanity. I prefer characters who actually struggle. A perfect superhuman Mary Sue character who can easily master every situation and always does the right thing is boring. Sakura was conflicted, as she should've been.

>she took out her own fucking team for no reason

She took out her team because she felt like it was her responsibility. Furthermore, she probably felt that if somebody has to kill Saskue, it got to be her.

>she played the can-I-join-you bullshit instead of for once showing some backbone and telling him that she's here to kill him

She tried to trick him which was the smart thing to do considering that he was stronger than her at the time.
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>>132201634
What? Nagato is Uzumaki and they have huge chakra, Kushina by herself survived getting her bijuu extracted from her. Not even Naruto managed that and he's ninja jesus.
>>132201681
All the plotholes were replied to and made sense of, retard.
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>>132201634
2 people don't decide the fate of an entire clan.

It's pretty much like racial/ethnic discrimination.
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>>132193878
Nagato WAS the sage's reincarnation.

Madara given them to him was completely stupid and retarded. Why would he do that? give his eyes to a kid in the middle of no fucking where? This is retarded writting at it's max!
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>>132201702
He's not actually the Fox and it's kinda important.
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>>132197563
Yeah that was retarded
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>>132201760
>>132201768
I meant the first part, we never did find out what the Uchiha were doing when Obito attacked and the Kyubi was released.
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>>132201702
>Adult Swim or Toonami

Bitchblood Americunt alert. Have you considered killing yourself lately? Seems like a viable option for someone who's the offspring of an interspecies scientific experiment gone wrong.
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>>132201754

Love at first sight for a 12 year old girl?

Who then proceeded to get shunned and pushed away and lost all contact with for 3 years?

Yeah, I believe in love at first sight when it's reciprocated by both parties.

Sasuke legit settled at the end because Kishimoto was too lazy to logically wrap shit up.
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>>132197693
Deidara vs Sasuke ending made sense. Sasuke wasn't actually out of chakra or else orochimaru would have assumed control of the body. And him summoning the snake was already shown at the start of the fight when sasuke shields himself from a point blank explosion with a summoning
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Obito mentions he visited Danzo once, but we never find out what they mean.

Orochimaru never gives his real reason for attacking Konoha in part I.

Kabuto's 'old blood' is never explained.

How did Anko become fat.

Why did Obito manipulate the Fourth?
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>>132201263
see >>132198596
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>>132201909
Meant what they talked about, not what they mean.

And I forgot to clarify, the Fourth Mizukage. Sorry, had a long day.
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>>132192447
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>>132201825
The Uchiha were being kept as far as possible as the Kyubi since they're fucking SCUM and they have this cool ability that lets them control the Bijuu, something scum shouldn't be given the chance to since they would use it to wipe all the normal citizens.

Which was the correct choice given the fact that it was a fucking uchiha shit the one controlling the Kyubi and killing normal citizens.
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>>132201825
They were ordered outside of the village with the young ninja. I think?

This was in the anime filler.
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>>132192447
>What's the biggest plothole in Naruto?
Who the hell raised Naruto until he was old enough to take care of himself
Why the third never told Naruto about his father
Why the third didn't order ninja to go undercover and pretend to be Naruto's parents so he can have a "normal" childhood
Why Jiraya abandoned Naruto until after he was forced on him.
Why didn't Naruto learn any of his bloodline traits
Why no one told him about his bloodline I mean sealing Jutsu is really fucking useful
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>>132198247
That bothered me to. And on top of that all the other uchiha's got bulky eyehax techs and he just gets a shape manipulation tech
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>>132201754
Sakura was conflcted and struggled, that's fine. Good, even, like you said.
But she collapsed under that weight and never truly found a solution to her situation, so asking me to look at her as anything but a failure is pointless.

>she felt like it was her responsibility
Which incidentally does fit into the theme of her being self-centered and lacking any understanding or respect for others that is established with the false confession.
Let's not even get into the sheer amount of retardation or self-delusion present in that act either.

Especially if she was conscious of the fact that he was far, far out of her league.
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>>132201836
>Love at first sight for a 12 year old girl?

Especially for a 12 year old girl. Whether you like it or not, that's roughly the age when human beings are completely overwhelmed by love.

>Who then proceeded to get shunned and pushed away and lost all contact with for 3 years?

Wecannot decide who we love. That's why many people end up being trapped in abusive relationships. And Sasuke didn't even physically harm her. The worst thing he did to her was using a genjutsu on her.

People in degenerate western cultures have this disgusting notion that you should always should look out for your own economic and personal interests first, even with regard to love. Instead of listening to your own heart, you supposedly should have a cold, egocentric, mechanical view of the world.
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>>132201976
Kaguya's descendant.
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>>132198247
They can't steal techniques you retard.
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>>132201976


Actually this was pretty based, I liked it. When I saw her control her bones I realized it and it was awesome.
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>>132201909
>How did Anko become fat.
She eats dango everyday with chouji's daughter and she's a teacher now. So pretty much stopped being on frontline active duty and got fat from all the leisure.
>Why did Obito manipulate the Fourth?
When did he do this?
The Fourth got in his way, he didn't plan for the kyuubi to be sealed in Naruto.
>Orochimaru never gives his real reason for attacking Konoha in part I
It's assumed/implied it was out of revenge and to kill the Third.
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>>132202020
You forgot that they had an Uzumaki fucking temple right outside the village and no one took the five minutes to show it to the orphan desperate for connection and a sign that he belonged somewhere, not fucking once.
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>>132192447
>Itachi not being made Kage to appease everyone, never starting any of this shit
>Zetsu required Uchiha + Senju power to combine and hatches a convoluted plan that involves separating them forever so one side can implant the other's DNA
>Obito not dying ever
>"Kakashi of the Sharingan"
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>>132202206
Most people don't even know about that. It's literally abandoned.
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Why did Naruto's tailed beast mode change once he and Kurama started working together? The original was so much cooler
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>>132202169
He's talking about the Fourth Mizukage, Kisame brings it up and it's been said that he was kinda tyrannical.
>>132202206
It was more like a safehouse.
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>>132202108
>Who is Kakashi
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>>132202256
Oh, well he obviously wanted to control the country through the 4th, so it must of been some political shit.

Like a foothold for the Akatsuki organization and funding.
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>>132202061
>Which incidentally does fit into the theme of her being self-centered and lacking any understanding or respect for others

The exact opposite, actually. Sasuke could, and probably would've, killed many of her teammates in the upcoming battle. She would've been selfish if she was willing to sacrifice others in order to achieve her goal. Instead, she tried to do it all by herself. My guess is that she was even prepared to sacrifice her own life in order to stop Sasuke, and would've done so if she wasn't overwhelmed by her feelings for him.
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>>132201760
Are you some lifelong naruto fanboy or why are you taking this shit so personally? Here are plotholes that haven't been addressed in your shit series

>everyone treating naruto like shit even though his father rescued the whole village and was a huge hero
>nobody knowing jack shit about uzumaki even though their symbol is all around the village
>the whole deal of sharingan and mangekyo sharingan and their rarity and how it constantly changes
>Itachi and how plain retarded he was as a character by telling sasuke to kill his best friend and hate everything, expecting him to become a hero of the village that way
>Obito never going blind or having any other effect despite spamming his mangekyo power all the time

Honorable mention to the asspull of Kagya, which isn't a plothole per se, but her motivation to form a giant army was NEVER explained, the last big bads motivation was NEVER FUCKING TOLD OR EXPLAINED AT ALL. That's a pretty major part of the plot don't you think?
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>>132202381

I forgot to add: Danzo almost killed Sasuke with his suicide jutsu. It's not farfatched to believe that Sakura had a similar ace up her sleeves.
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>>132202254
The beasts got nerfed so Madara and Hashirama could look good. In that fight Naruto swings one arm and destroys an entire forest, now all he does is chakra blast and random arms.
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>>132202442
>her
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>>132192447
The biggest plot hole is how the series started off as a "you can choose your own destiny if you work hard enough" and became a series 100% about DNA, bloodline abilities and genetic traits that predetermine how much of a badass you are at birth.
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>>132202409
>>Obito never going blind or having any other effect despite spamming his mangekyo power all the time

Obito's half body is made of zetsu, he's as close as a non-transmigration can be of having Rikudo Sennin's body.

He has regen asides from an enlarged mana pool and other bullshit that come from zetsu body. I'm pretty sure that's why he doesn't go blind.

Not him by the way.
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>>132196349
Jesus can you be any bigger of a faggot?
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>>132202627
You still can choose your own destiny if you don't have the right traits. See Orochimaru, Kabuto, Danzo, Madara, Obito, etc.
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>>132202627
I always think back to Naruto and Neji's first fight when someone mentions this.
How he gave that lecture about how he was worst in the class and prevailed through hard work.
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>>132192485
>>132192485
Is her corpse still floating in the water?
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>>132202776
>out of shame Kishi had to kill off Neji right before it was revealed that he was right all along on a fucking cosmic scale
fucking hack, Neji should've been there all smug looking "fucking told you faggots" when the whole indra / asura shit was revealed
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>>132202627
>Part 1: With hard work you can be anything!
>Part 2: Just kidding, you were ninja jesus all this time, here, have some asspull moves!
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>>132202535
That still doesn't explain why Naruto's transformation is different
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>>132202248
>Most people don't even know about that. It's literally abandoned.
I highly doubt the third or Jiraiya didn't know.
>>132202256
>It was more like a safehouse.
And? It would be nice to take the kid to see it like on his birthday or something probably could mellowed Naruto ass out too.

NEW plot hole
>How does everyone and their mother know Naruto has the fox inside of him pre-part two if it was a highly guarded secret.
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>>132202409
>everyone treating naruto like shit even though his father rescued the whole village and was a huge hero
A lot of people assumed he was the Kyubi just fucking with them.
>nobody knowing jack shit about uzumaki even though their symbol is all around the village
They're a clan known for their red hair and sealing techniques and had great ties with Konoha, their village was completely wiped out in the last war.
>the whole deal of sharingan and mangekyo sharingan and their rarity and how it constantly changes
I don't think every Uchiha awakens their Sharingan
>Itachi and how plain retarded he was as a character by telling sasuke to kill his best friend and hate everything, expecting him to become a hero of the village that way
That was pretty stupid
>Obito never going blind or having any other effect despite spamming his mangekyo power all the time
That's a good point
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>>132202381
So she held herself as better, with a greater dedication and resolve than others who knew precisely the same risks as she did.
Again, we run into the same thing: she deludes herself and thinks she know better or is better.

She deludes herself into thinking she has a snowball's chance in hell against Sausage, she makes believe she is the strong heroine oozing resolve all over the place, releasing a friend from obligations even if it means sacrificing her happiness (never mind her earlier observation of genuine self-sacrifice and real love for the guy she was about to try to fool, and how her 'heroic' sacrifice, if successful, would have ruined something genuine).
She uses and discards others as tools for her fulfilment of her romantic vision, because she does not know or respect them.
She holds only herself as capable of making sacrifices because fundamentally she thinks she is better than other people.

And on top of it all, she crumbles and fails, making all the nasty shit she pulled against everyone else collapse in on itself.
That is why she is Pinkshit.
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>>132202975
Yeah, we can throw that one up there too.

From the looks of it, Kishi probably planned to make Naruto Ninja Jesus before getting the BS powerup from the sage (another plothole).
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>>132202979
Who even knew about it originally, minato kushina and 3rd? Two of them dead, did 3rd spread it around drunk to get laid or what?
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>>132202979
Nobody in the generation Naruto grew up with knew for a long time.
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>>132201976
Yet somehow he dies to some random ass sickness if he has the genes of a fucking goddess.
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>>132203176
Itachi had ninja AIDS or whatever.
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Biggest plot hole ever expained

>Dead Uchiha members get their eyehax back
>even when Itachi's eyes are in Sasuke, Itachi has access to his own Mangyekyo Sharingan and all powers associated with it
>Yet despite the ability for his body to completely regenerate eyeballs from a corpse that does not have any, and the ability to regenerate from any and all damage - using Izanagi or Izanami still causes Sharingan blindness

I'll never understand that

Also Izanami:

>Uchiha members started using Izanagi out of control to cause in fighting within the clan for some reason
>Problem got so out of hand that someone had to create the Izanami to "teach a lesson" to those who use Izanagi
>No one proposes the idea of just killing an Izanagi user twice, since they would be effectively blind and the ninja in those flashbacks were fucking shit and not on par with even Chunin level Leaf ninja
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>>132203124
All three of the sanin was out of he village when it happened but they knew.
The Akatsuki knew even though it was a highly kept secret and no bothered to train Naruto like the other villages trained the other bijuu.
Nobody in the last generation knew either but they all "instinctively" didn't trust Naruto.
Even if the village had a huge distrust which is understandable why treat like shit or allow him to become a ninja it would make more sense to not allow him to become a ninja because of it.
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So now we have faggots saying that Sakura's love for Sasuke is believable?

Jesus christ slap yourself. Sasuke should have been punched by Sakura and then have his balls rammed up his ass for what he did to her.
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>>132203229
Wasn't Izanagi only usable by a psuedo sage of the six paths? Why would any even need to come up with a counter technique if no one could use it?
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>>132202979
>How does everyone and their mother know Naruto has the fox inside of him pre-part two if it was a highly guarded secret

Shikamaru was in the hospital room when Naruto and Gaara talked about it, he could have fucking put two and two together, he's smart or some shit
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>>132194123
He had Madara's cells and his sharingan thing. Overall, age isn't a big factor in a character's strength on the show.
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>>132203074
>A lot of people assumed he was the Kyubi just fucking with them.
No they didn't, they 100% know what jinchuurikis were. That wasn't any big secret

>They're a clan known for their red hair and sealing techniques and had great ties with Konoha, their village was completely wiped out in the last war.
I'm pretty sure they're a clan mostly known for their clan symbol like every other clan, clan symbol which just so happens to be all around konoha and in narutos clothes. Guess they don't teach history in school

>I don't think every Uchiha awakens their Sharingan
This isn't even an argument

It was said in the beginning of the manga that awakening sharingan for an uchiha was rare, mangekyo super fucking rare, yet they had to come up with a bullshit jutsu solely because everyday soldiers were abusing izanagi so much with their mangekyos. They completely threw it all out of the window and made it trivial just so Itachi can have another asspull technique up his sleeve
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Don't know is it a plothole but sometimes it was weird how most people in that universe talked about 1st hokage and madara like they were some distant legends nobody barely remembers, and then there's some people like Tsunade who clearly lived in same time when those people. Hell, probably most old people who were still alive lived at same time with 1st and 2nd hokage.
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>>132203328
>I'm pretty sure they're a clan mostly known for their clan symbol like every other clan, clan symbol which just so happens to be all around konoha and in narutos clothes. Guess they don't teach history in school
Added wiih the fact Naruto's mom is a fucking Uzamaki.
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>>132203229
>even when Itachi's eyes are in Sasuke, Itachi has access to his own Mangyekyo Sharingan
This is brought up when Madara is actually brought back to life after being Edo Tensei'd. His eyes deteriorated and he had to get the real ones back.
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>>132203229
Seems like that type of power is spiritual, not physical.
Chakra is a mix of spirit and body and Yin release is made using the mind.
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>>132203298
Nope, Uchiha had enough sage DNA to allow them to use it. It strained the Sharingan to the point that it would cause it to go blind instantly.

Danzo had Senju DNA from the first to allow him to make his Izanagi not simply a one time use thing, but a constant usage for a minute per eye that he can leave on and benefit from if necessary.

The backstory was the Uchiha clan, for SOME REASON, could only have one person who could use Izanagi, and they were killing each other off because only one Uchiha can weild the Izanagi or some bullshit - when in reality Izanagi only allows you to use it once - because the second time you use it you are completely blind and have no eyes left. If you are killed a third time, you are dead.

Instead someone made Izanami to counteract the Izanagi???

>>132203381
>Sharingan are the only thing Edo Tensei can't regenerate
>Even though it can create Sharingan out of thin air from bodies who had their eyeballs plundered long before being resurrected
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>>132192447
- Kaguya can use every technique, has the most chakra ever and has two consciousnesses, three eyes with nearly no blind spot and still gets punched by pinkshit of all people and sealed
- Sage can only come out with someone awakens his power, doesn't come out at any time near the end
- Sage is a dead spirit, but can still give powers to people, summon the dead and have them summon for him
- Sage's sons only get one part of his power and have no genetic chance to get the other (why not), yet somehow Madara gets the "body" of the sage from the Ten Tails
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Burrito camrip (80 minutes) can be found here.

http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=54518168&postcount=801

Too many to count.
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If the third wanted Naruto to have a "normal" chldhood Why did he adopt Naruto and raise him.
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>>132202108
>kakashi is who?
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>>132203654
To be fair, his birth did lead to the death of his wife.
A fellow could take that kinda personally.
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Who the fuck killed these two considering how broken they fucking were, specially Hashirama
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>>132202254
That mode constantly burned the skin off his body and cut down his total lifespan, so it's sensible they figure out a more beneficial transformation.

Just wish his new one wasn't so Orange Listerine.
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>>132193851
>tfw bleach is better

I was gonna say not by much because it still has some dumb shit but dear lord the difference is huge unless Kubo keeps going full retard.
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>>132203759

Old age faggot. Ever thought of that?
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>>132203759
Hashirama died of an illness someone found a cure for soon after.
Tobirama died to twenty nameless jobbers.

Guess which one of these is actually true.
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>>132200851
>>132200888
They're Kaguya's. In Burrito Sauce steals a scroll from the ice one and the scroll said that niggers from her clan would come one day to steal her fruit.
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Why the fuck did Sakura even marry Sasuke, He tried to kill her so many times and even when all this bullshit ended he never even shows an sort of affection towards her. No we get a"Hurr Sarada is our connection with other" Some connection you have with your daughter considering you couldn't even recognize her and almost killed her. Like seriously fuck off Kishi you can't write for shit.
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>>132203815
Can't be. They died while young based on the Edo Tensei.
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>>132200521
Madara pls go. Everyone was going to turn into a tree person for some deranged bunny lady.
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>>132203759
Died offscreen because Kishi was too lazy / couldn't give a sensible death to either one
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>>132203846
>Why the fuck did Sakura even marry Sasuke
She is a sad, pathetic fuck and that was the only real goal she ever had.
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>>132203756
Naruto didn't do anything it was obito and the fox and the third held no animostiy towards Naruto as he was one of the only ones that had any faith in him and treated him normal.
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>>132199152
pedo pls go
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>>132192447
That no one told Naruto anything that he should have known
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>>132198978
>it must be said that Tsunade's glorious Tsunades beat even Hinata's Hinatas
You sure about that, anon?
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>>132193729
late but anon delivers.
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>>132203906
The Third didn't actually know the details of what went down, did he?
He could have presumed the Fox just escaped, right?
Housing the entity that was responsible for the death of your wife could have been taxing for his old heart, good intentions or no.
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>>132196749
>attempted
At least he's shit at his job.

>>132196658
It's been happening every week for almost a year now. Pay attention.
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>>132203966
At the time they did. In time, Hinata came to her full power.
All natural, unaging Hyuuga stuff too, not a youth medical technique or illusion or whatever Tsunade was going.
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>>132203088
>So she held herself as better, with a greater dedication and resolve than others who knew precisely the same risks as she did.

Since when is sacrificing yourself for the sake of others not a noble but rather a conceited act? You tried to get others out of harms way and you are rebuking her for doing so.

>She deludes herself into thinking she has a snowball's chance in hell against Sausage

Danzo's suicide attack almost killed Sasegay. Sakura also planned on gaining his trust and then ambushing him. That's a reasonable plan which could've worked.

>She uses and discards others as tools for her fulfilment of her romantic vision, because she does not know or respect them.

This is not true. Your attempt to gauge her true intentions is unsuccessful and pretty silly tbh. Let's not forget that Kishi created this character. Her motives are the motives Kishi gives her. Do you honestly believe that your description fits Kishi's idea of her inner self?

As a matter of fact, she has always helped others, often by risking her own life. She discarded nobody. The most selfish thing she did in the entire series was to ask Naruto to bring Sasuke back, which is absolutely excusable and understandable.

>She holds only herself as capable of making sacrifices because fundamentally she thinks she is better than other people.

So when a firefighter resuces your kitten by risking his life, you're not thankful but despise him for his supposed smugness?
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>>132203289
>All three of the sanin was out of he village when it happened but they knew.
Jiraiya is Naruto's godfather
Orochimaru figured it out in the Forest of Death
Not really sure about Tsunade
Itachi knew, but somehow Orochimaru didn't until later?
Mizuki and Iruka knew
>>132203328
pic-related
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>>132194103
>implying this shit is canon anymore
The Leaf Village is the size of that city now and clearly the world revolves around the ninjas and the normies who can't use chakra can go get fucked by a meteor.
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>>132203994
>Housing the entity that was responsible for the death of your wife could have been taxing for his old heart, good intentions or no.
But it was shown That held no animostiy towards Naruto at all even banning all tlk of the fox and not treating him like shit even saying all the hates of peoples heart to Naruto is stupid and as far as I know there was any plans to transport the fox to Naruto at all
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>>132193482
>my good friend and successor died to protect the village and left his only son in my care
>better ignore the shit out of him and see how that goes
Hiruzen was the worst.
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>>132203759
Hashirama died in a random war, Tobirama was killed by the Kinkaku Squad.
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>>132203818
>>132203759
It's somewhat implied that one of the the gold and silver brothers killed the 2nd, as the name of the special Kumo squad was Kinkaku Force.
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>>132204097
>Jiraiya is Naruto's godfather
But he wasn't there when the whole thing went down and didn't come back to the village after twelve whole years.
>Itachi knew, but somehow Orochimaru didn't until later?
which goes to the question in how the akatsuki knew because unlike the other villages they didn't train Naruto or let it become well known.
>Mizuki and Iruka knew
How did they? know everyone involved in that incident died except Naruto only the third knew about the sealing technique if he wanted it to be a secret he would have kept his mouth shut.
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>>132204099
You can't just draw something and then un-canon it later
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>>132204088
>Since when is sacrificing yourself for the sake of others not a noble but rather a conceited act?
Since you convinced others to do it alongside you, only to betray their trust and knock them out because you believed yourself to be the only one, seemingly by God's grace, entitled to make the decision as to who gets to sacrifice themselves for a goal you believe in. And then fail pitifully at reaching raid goal.

>a reasonable plan which could've worked
Right, because the mighty, unprecedented attack of catching a single fucking kunai in your back (oh no, it has some poison in it) is a huge threat to someone with that degree of power. And even if we disregard that it still could not have worked, because it relied on her clearly lacking will and resolve.

>Do you honestly believe that your description fits Kishi's idea of her inner self?
You did your fair share of freestyle interpretation of the manga, so I took the same liberties. My conclusions are better supported by the rest of the manga.
For the record i do not believe Kishi ever really delved into her character, certainly not enough to give her a real character or 'inner self'.
Even her fighting style is just a copy-paste of Tsunade's, as opposed to the rest of her teammates who each learned stuff from the other two sannin but incorporated that into what they had. Sakura had nothing and was nothing but a third wheel, hence the ease with which her actions, motivations and 'character' can be easily twisted whichever way you like.

>she has always helped others
At best she did her fucking job, occasionally even managing to do it without bitching about how she isn't in the limelight.
>she discarded nobody
Except Kiba and co. in that specific instance.

>firefighter resuces your kitten by risking his life
As was discussed throughout the thread, she could have died after getting the info out of puppet guy and nothing would have really changed in the main story, except the pity-punch at the end.
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>>132203966
She won the race at the starting line.
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>>132204105
Sure, I am not talking about willing, real animosity here.
I'm talking about it being difficult as fuck for him to do that much, him maybe wanting to do more, but not being able to because there was still that thing he could not cast aside.
Obviously it is all speculation on my part, and the wife didn't even exist before the flashback, but given what we were presented with, that's the most consistent interpretation I can come up with.
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>>132192447
Where is all Senju clan ? Did madara murder them all ?
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>>132204450
totally
http://exhentai.org/g/862219/2e5516742f/
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>>132204597
>who is tsunade
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>>132204450
Hinata a cute as well as the best girl.
Shame there was not more stuff early on with those two.
Hell, just going on missions with the various teams, with some occasional fluff in there would have made for a far superior story, although that's not much to say.
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>>132204296
I guess he realized he was Minato's kid as soon as he saw the seal?
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>>132204521
It doesn't make sense within his character at all though sure I can see him grieving over hi wife death but blaming the birth of Naruto to be it is out of character for him especially since he didn't even want to fight and kill snakefaggot until he invaded ad tied o destroy the village.
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>>132204627
So why only tsunade here.Meanwhile Uchiha have a big clan before the massacre.
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>>132204442
Sure you can. It's called retroactive continuity and Kishi does it all the time.
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>>132204597
In Konoha?
Hashirama is the only one that had wood-release, and Nawaki died. I guess the rest are no-name ninja or civilians.
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>>132204712
The way he is talking about seems like he knew about it before and is only now seeing it up close.

new plothole why did Jiraiya teach Naruto jackshit when they went away for three years
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>>132204442
>You can't just draw something and then un-canon it later
remember when the sharingan was an off-shoot if the byakugan?
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>>132204810
Didn't they call that a theory?
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>>132204778
They didnt train in those 3 years, they were just living the dream of perverts.
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>>132192447
Might be Itachi pulling the Yata Mirror and Sword of Totsuka from out of nowhere when he sealed Orochimaru. Two items that were never mentioned or elaborated upon before or after that incident.
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>>132204875
Know what I don't even remember but knowing kishi probably not.
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>>132203846
I dont get the killed so many times part
I can only count 2 instances where he tried to kill her, once during the rescue sauce arc with Sai and once during danzo vs sauce arc
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>>132194910
It would be Naruto's backstory. It doesn't make any sense that certain characters would have just left Naruto to his own devices. Where was Jaraiya & Kakashi? We also don't know who raised him from infancy to the time he was living by himself. That in itself is s pretty big plot hole.
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>a qt Hyuga pie will never gently fondle your chakra points

why live
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>>132205079
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>>132203328
>Guess they don't teach history in school
Sasuke didn't even know who Madara was despite him being the co-founder of the village
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>>132204717
I am not talking about blame, just a sheer difficulty of putting aside the knowledge that the creature you think killed your wife was somewhere inside, nesting in the soul of the cute little brat in front of you.
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I just noticed something, more or less.

Have we ever officially seen Hinata in a bikini or something after the Pain arc? Because she should have a scar where Tendo impaled her.
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>>132205126
Sakura didn't even know about the Byakugan.
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>Gaara's mid form looks like pic related
>All the rest look like Naruto's in part 2
I know Kishimoto is lazy, but fuck.
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>>132205164
>Update
and again if the third had any animosity towards Naruto it would have showed. fact is he other than Iruka took time to actually punish Naruto and had faith in him. The third also visited Naruto on his birthday to see how he was doing.
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>>132192447
Making a 10 tails with the 1-9 beasts cuz.
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9=45
Kishi sucks at math.
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>>132205179
>They say that the Uchiha Clan's origins lie with the Hyuga Clan.

Nice retcon Kishi
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>>132204296
Irony about Jaraiya was that he was master of collecting Intel & somehow never heard of what happened. If he did hear about it & never came back that means he's an asshole.
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>>132205175
This is how she survived.
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>>132205208
Gaara becoming the sandkage was probably the single biggest asspull in the series. There's absolutely no way you become a leader of a village in 3 years from a hated, feared emo kid who's mentally unstable. Absolutely retarded

>we have all kind of war heroes, skilled fighters, politicians, people who've seen it all, have been leading alongside the previous for tens of years
>nah let's take this random kid he shows a bit of regret, why not
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>>132205303
>If he did hear about it & never came back that means he's an asshole
He knew about it judging by this
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>>132205355
With his dad gone he was probably the strongest in the village, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would've noticed if that one sociopath started to become a better person.
Plus, it wouldn't be the first time a jinchuuriki became a kage.
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Why didn't Obito come back for Naruto when he was younger & raise him like Madara raised him? Clearly that would have been a better idea.
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>>132205454
Because despite his treatment by the villagers there was probably someone always keeping an eye on him other than Hiruzen.
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>>132205355

That still goes to Sasuke and Naruto fucking DYING and being pulled into the SotSP's personal limbo and told they can't lose because they're the protagonists and get their bigass powerups.
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>>132205454
Because it was never part of the original keikaku
Naruto was mostly guarded by anbu during the babyphase
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Everything.
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>>132203759
Hashirama died of broken heart because his husbando was dead
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>>132205535
>Naruto was mostly guarded by anbu during the babyphase
You got a pic of that?
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Hasn't anyone really said about Obito's powers being like, fucking teleporting where the fuck he wants and instant kidnapping in another dimension by a mere touch ?

He could've snapped away all tailed beasts in one day.

Also, before timeskip they said Akatsuki needed to wait three years before capturing bijuus. Never explained why.
The fact is, Naruto isn't really that filled with plot-holes, but only if you trust that much Kishi's intelligence. The fact that the fans have to come up to legitimate reasons to cover up Kishi's storytelling (while he could have explained throught his characters voices, for example Konan not crushing the Rinnegan like already stated) is a bit sad.
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>>132205535
>Naruto was mostly guarded by anbu during the babyphase

And they could've stopped Obito how? The Anbu jobbed to fucking Kabuto.
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>>132195524
Apparently, it was too much chakra to be sealed into a newborn baby. What I don't get is how that's a problem. Aren't the purpose of seals meant to be sealing things away? Minato and Kushina were Seal users, so I don't understand why they couldn't have used the same seal Kushina had in conjunction with the Dead Demon Consuming Seal and sealed the Kyuubi in Nardo for him to play with.
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>>132205535
>spend twelve years doing incredibly dangerous missions from assassinations, guarding despicable bastards who pay well to espionage or ensuring locations are safe
>finally make ANBU
>probably get super speciall badass training and a cool new uniform
>this is it, champ, you made the big time now
>finally you get your new assignment
>guard a fucking baby
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