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Why are all Caster so useless?

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Why are all Caster so useless?
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>Can literally rewrite reality to make someone equal in power to a true demon.
>Useless.

Sure it will end with them dying 9/10 times, but it's far from useless.
He also has perfect Caster stats.
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>>124978754
That was easy to disprove
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This frog was highly successful up until he got Excaliblasted.
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>>124979182
Rather than successful he was just having fun with his master, he had no chance of winning the war
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They're intentionally a garbage class as set up by the three families. They're never supposed to win. Gilles was exceptionally weak cause he was an anomaly since the war needed a final servant and would have been better off as any other class.
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>can get beaten up by a non-servant

Why even bother?
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>>124979182
The only way to being this fucker down is Excalibur or EA. The rest of the servants can't do shit to this guy even Zouken is shocked that he was summoned.
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>>124979711
>No chance
>Literally no one could stop him unless they killed all of him in one go
His only mistake was not taking his Master inside his giant squid fortress with him
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>>124980424
>Literally no one could stop him unless they killed all of him in one go

Except Saber and Gilgamesh are both perfectly capable of killing Caster's monster in a single blow.
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>>124980424
>>124979182
Just imagine if the Cthulu could scream COOOOOOL! with them
best team
best otp
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>>124980543
>best otp

All casters are OTP with their Master
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>>124980279
On the other hand, that giant enemy squid was rigged to explode and kill Gilles along with everything else in Fuyuki.
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>>124980276
Yeah, Gil is a disgrace
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>>124978754
>Talking shit about fluffy tail
get this fucking secondary out of here
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>>124980614
Yeah, Saber is a disgrace
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>>124980279
>even Zouken is shocked that he was summoned.
More like intrigued. He'd already suspected the HGW had become defective, and had his suspicions confirmed by the summoning of Caster. Summoning a murderous psychopath like Gilles shouldn't have been possible if the Grail was working properly.
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>>124980654
Well, yeah, but we already knew that, thread is about casters man.
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>>124980276
That would have never happened to Gilles. That nigga was strong.
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Which Caster would you cuddle with.

Besides obvious Fluffy Tail.
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>>124980871
No regrets.
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>>124980871
Give Alice pls
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>>124980654
Yeah, Berserker, True Assassin and GARcher are a disgrace.

Damn, say what you will about the circumstances of it, but humanity has been going HAM during the 5th HGW.
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>>124980871
Shakespeare
no homo
maybe a little
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>>124980871
Giles.
He is handsome as fuck once he loses the googly eyes.
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>>124980279
Gae Bolg, Bellerophon, Caladbolg, and Herc brute forcing would've probably worked, too. The 4th war servants just sucked except for Gil and Saber.
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>>124980936
>>124980654
>>124980614
Add Rider to the list. For fucks sake are Cu and fake assassin the only servants that didn't get their ass handed to them by humans in any path of that anomalous war?
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>>124980871
Alice is probably the best for cuddling
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>>124981084
Herc would probably only work as Archer against Gilles
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>>124981092
Sasaki got shit on in the sequel so Cu takes the prize.
E rank luck my ass.
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>>124980925
>People picking Alice.

I don't think I've ever seen that happen before.
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>>124981228
well technically it was a draw so I rescind my statement

all Servant summoned in the fifth war experience getting punked by someone human to some degree at least once during Stay Night or Hollow Ataraxia
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>>124981069
Seriously, look at this sexy beast.
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>>124981131
I was talking about Herc making a beeline for Caster would likely work.
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Because nobody's summoned Cu as one yet.
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>>124978754
What kind of idiot deliberately summons a Caster unless they have no other option to choose from?
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>>124981435
The Blue Man is overrated.
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>>124981449
Still better than assassin and berserker, and considerably less demanding than the latter.
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>>124980871
>spoiler
Fuck.
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>>124981449
People with best taste who play Fate/Extra.
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>>124980871
Solomon
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>>124981449
This kind of idiot.
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>>124981435
Would runic magic be his main weapon and the staff being used to stab bitches?
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Somebody tell me more about Shakespeare. I find it awesome that he's a Servant, and want to know how he fared in his story. He's not an obnoxious asshole, is he?
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>>124978754

Casters are high-skillcap/high-reward while the plot favors faceroll/high reward classes. Without plot armor, casters would be god tier.
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>>124981435
>Runehax
>Caster's high base luck means Cu might actually swing C-D rank luck

He'd be better than Gilles or Medea, and probably fair better since he wouldn't have Lancer level luck fucking him over at every turn.
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>>124981604
>Go look in a mirror and masturbate to your whorish body, you slut in a nuns habit.

Andersen was truly the best.
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>>124981623
He's a major asshole, and very obnoxious in the sense that he's always smug and can't stop quoting himself. His NP is also pure troll; it basically let's him reject and rewrite any event before him as long as none of its participants exceed him in all stats. He's a fucking savescummer.
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>>124981746
Well, I expected the quoting. That NP sounds pretty useful, but like most NPs I assume it's limited in use and can't always be called upon. If it can, sweet, but if not, what else does he do? Beamspam like Medea or elemental attacks like Tamamo? He can't be just a one-trick pony.
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>>124978754
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>So bad at melee combat that Assassin or fucking humans with some prep work can take you on close range.
>Has to set up a workshop and gather mana before being able to do anything of merit
>Three knight classes don't give a fuck about magic, particularly Saber.
>Medea was even more fucked than usual in that regard, since Cu can buff his mag res to A rank because "lolrunes"

The only classe Caster has an advantage over is Berserker since they have no magic res and are too stupid to dodge higher magic, but even then Medea probably couldn't have killed Herc more than once because god hand. Rider is an outlier.
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>>124978754
>tfw no Grail war with characters designed after the ones in the cards

The Caster and Saber look bad ass as fuck.
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>>124978754
Not all casters are equal
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>>124981851
He's more or less completely useless in a fight. He can't really do much aside from some limited reality warping. He was only summoned because his NP is crucial to Marik's endgame.
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>>124981851
He doesn't fight, he can only buff his Master and have him fight for him while he sits back and writes stories. Another of his NP allows him to perfectly impersonate someone else.

He's also obsessed with VNs.
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>>124981915
They look like something out of a RPG. I like the Berserker one.
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>>124981915
Nigga the Lancer and Rider are where it's at. Look at those fabulous mother fuckers.
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>>124982019
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>>124982061
I agree with you on the Rider, but Lancer just looks like a fucking Red Mage.

At least they made Archer a women, since only bitches use bows.
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>>124982070
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>>124978754
Tamamo is useful
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>>124982109
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>>124982019
>ZR
Soiled it
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>>124982097
You knocking on Chiron, one of the most OP Servants in Apocrypha.
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>>124982007
>>124982014
Huh, well that's a shame. I suppose buff mages are a thing, but I should have expected as much considering he was never much of a warrior in life.
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>>124980913
Who is?
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>>124982198
Chiron doesn't have a gayass hat.
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>>124982159
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>>124982267
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>>124982245
semiramis, dual-class caster/assassin in fate/apocrypha.
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>>124978754
Isn't Jesus supposed to be a caster too? i believe his love will find a way to win the HGW.
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They're not that bad, it's just that there's very few reasons in the story for a Caster to do well in a war.
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>>124982256
He doesn't, but he's apparently a bitch who uses a bow.
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>>124982427
He will just make all masters and servants stop fighting and help the ones in need with their powers intead.
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>>124981435

>Cu going battle happy as fuck with runes everywhere

Fucking ufotable, I want this route animated.
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>>124981897
Caster was good in UBW. Buffing her master to servant levels, building a strong base and getting a small army of servants compensated her lack of combat abilities, she only lost the war because whe was stupid.
If she had broken Saber's will immediately via command spell instead of using cosplay and orgasms, and disposed of Rin and Shirou as soon as Archer betrayed them, she would have won the war.
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>>124982427

>Jesus
>Caster

Can't summon full divinities, anon.
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>>124982638
Jesus was a human
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>>124982675

Depending on your religious beliefs, also the son of God who currently sits at the right hand of God Himself.
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>>124978754
All the casters so far not counting Tamamo, from my memory, fuck shit up in the background so hard that the wars are sometimes put on hold just to deal with it.

Medea: Becomes a pseudo master, could potentially kill the entire town in a matter of days. Takes control of the place where the grail is freaking kept. Her, Souchiro, and Assassin hold off every other servant. Including Berserker.

Bluebeard: Causes a "Hold up, we've got to deal with this shit," moment. Summons Old Ones and Cthulu for zerg tactics. Serial killers for fun, and holy hell was he and his master successful.

Hans: Made his master unbelievably powerful, >>124979016

Solomon: The Golem incident. Probably the second lightest case

Semiramis: The Hanging Freaking Gardens stronghold she set up.

Shakesphere: See Hans.

Alice: Time loop. Wendigo apparently being a borderline Herkserker. Walking reality marble.

Tamamo: Lightest only because Extra's weird. One of two things appen: Your Caster is now a massive evil beast hellbent on destruction. Good luck explaining this to the church. Or a normal summon and you get a fucking facet of a goddess. At full power she's apparently worth several servants.


They're weak in straight up fights to balance out the sheer amounts of bullshit they can cause if left unchecked.
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>>124982427
Jesus would be a Saver. Just like Buddha.
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>>124982675
He was the Son of God.
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>>124982733
He'd be classified as an Avatar in the same sense that Karna is.
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>>124982795
He'd be half divine since his momma was a human, he only gained full divinity after death.
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>>124982427
You would probably summon Brian if you tried to summon Jesus.
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>>124982359
Thanks, friend.
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>>124982960

>Brian and the Holy Grail

Will the Servants Who Say Ni make an appearance?

And will Kirei demand a shrubbery?
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>>124982245
The tsundere elf lady.
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>>124983167
>Brian about to get the Holy Grail
>His mother stops him
>Tells him to destroy the grail

I can see it.
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>>124980871
Andersen.
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Because there not Merlin.
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>>124982529
>If she had broken Saber's will... using cosplay and orgasms

Why are there still no good doujins of this?
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>>124983756
http://exhentai.org/g/811338/2b73ce91ed/
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>>124981449
Or you can summon Caster that can go toe to toe with even someone like Karna.
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>>124982738
>Your Caster is now a massive evil beast hellbent on destruction
This won't happen unless her master betrays her and she breaks in the process, she isn't that weak willed. You also forgot about her EX rank Witchcraft causing possible problems
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>>124983747
There'er*
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>>124982529
Gil and Kirei were still around, as would be Lancer if Rin was dead and he wasn't forced to commit sodoku protecting her. Lancer + Gil would have no trouble against Caster/Saber/Kuzuki. Also don't forget Archer's loyalty was never genuine, and Caster ignored him and killed Rin and Shirou, he'd be pretty pissed since she both fucked up his chances of creating a paradox, and killed Rin when he planned to give her Saber after everything was done.
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>>124983747
>they're not futafags
How is this a bad thing?
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>>124982738
>At full power she's apparently worth several servants.

A hundred servants

Even in her normal form she's the only Caster to beat a Saber, punching through magic resistance with her spells, and can do just fine in close combat even against Saber tier fighters. At present there's little question she's the strongest Caster so far outside of Semi in her floating garden. She's at a disadvantage in a close range fight against knights, but any other Caster would have been dead over a dozen hits ago.

Most of her abilities she won't even use, including her EX rank one due to bad memories from life. She can summon her other tails on her own if she wants, but its not recommended. Talisman casting means there's no need for incantations when anything is cast. Everything is already on the paper. Her Noble Phantasm gives her infinite mana for a brief period of time, which might be spammable in a normal grail war.

Pretty often people don't get why she's very powerful by Caster standards.
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