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Archer and Lancer delivered the best fight yet again. All that

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Archer and Lancer delivered the best fight yet again. All that Type Moon money went to the right place.
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It was like 2 minutes long and boring
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More nonsensical fight choreography yet again.
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>>124921935
>boring

By this point, that word has completely lost meaning.
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Rushed fight, rushed episode. Fucking Ufo.
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>>124921984
It didnt excite me
It simply happened. "wooo sparks and colors meh whatever"
Only good part of the episode was caster´s sad death
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>>124921740
Oh boy I cant wait for this thread to be full of nothing but nonsensical complaining instead of well deserved praise
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Why is everything that isn't the 3 knight classes + Berserker suck complete ass in terms of magical powers?
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>>124922076
>how dare people not share my opinion!

Dont come to /a/ for a circlejerk
Every other anime site is masturbating to the episode so maybe go anywhere else.
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>>124921740
>That shield is actually a sword

The chuuni in me is full of bliss.
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>takes place at night instead of an overcast afternoon
>added nonsensical AT-Field in front of the petals
>excessive explosion

DEEN did it better.
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>>124922076

Seconded, these plebs who only knows to react "rushed episodes" blah blah blah who don't even how to appreciate at least the effort the animation studio made on delivering to us this kind of god-tier quality.
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>>124921968

Implying you understand jack shit about fighting or coreography.
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As a fan of the VN, it's been really cool to see a lot of these scenes animated with Ufotable's seemingly unlimited budget (works). I always avoided the previous adaptions because everyone seemed against them. Or at least, the original TV airing. Can't wait to see things as they ramp up even further.
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>>124922159
Choreography seems to be the popular word to throw around without giving any further explanation when criticizing a fight scene these days.
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Rewatch the episode and pay attention to how long they are actually fighting
They jump at each other with sparks all around them for literally 20 seconds then gae bolg and shield
And its over

ITs extremely short and pathetic
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>>124922157
When lancer threw his spear this episode I nearly creamed my pants. I don't really get why people complain about the animation or the pacing, I actually think it feels like its a lot slower than the original source especially since they add all these extra scenes like with the maids, caster's summoner, and with souichirou but I really have no complaints about any of that
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>>124922159
>>124922194
>"bad choreography"
>"badly written"
The days those terms hit 4chan was analogous to the day that the bubonic plague hit the Black Sea.
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>>124922151
I would have loved it more if the petals gets destroyed one by one as the layers disappear instead of that layering nonsense.
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>>124922314

You went to the wrong place, pleb,
Send your comments, reactions, suggestions to ufotable.
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>>124921740
Archer illya vs saber alter in prisma illya is better than this
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>>124922435
I have to admit that shit was pretty fuckin tight
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>fight
>talked more than they fought

I really hate this meme why can't a fight just be fight rather than a boring ass debate
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>>124922488
It would just be swinging shapes for a while, no matter how good the animation is, two characters just flailing at each other with no changes in between would just get repetitive
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I don't remember it exploding in the VN. I don't remember if it was stated in the VN or some data book later, but if layers of Rho are destroyed, it causes physical damage to it's user, and that's why Archer was all fucked up.
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>his NP requires great accuracy
>therefore the best solution is to take the hit
Genius
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>>124921740
>the best fight

Nah, Saber Vs Heracles, Saber Vs Deermund, and Gil Vs Lancelot are still better.
Kirei Vs Kiritsu should have been there as well, but the UFO fucked it up.
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>>124922536
It doesnt get repetitive in the VN and there it goes for a long ass time
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>>124922556
>Kirei Vs Kiritsu should have been there as well, but the UFO fucked it up.

Did they really?
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>>124922568
The problem is, words > animation. For every sentence in the VN, it's less than a second in animation.
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>>124922568
Because you are a fanboy.
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>>124922488
>le everything's a meme face
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>>124922606
>>>/v/
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>>124922603
Depends how you animate it, you can do it in a slower motion and have internal dialoges and everything, but kids these days like the jedi fights full of sparks.
And the time constraints of the episode dont help either I guess.
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>>124922661
>wanting internal monologues in a fight
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>>124922120
You say as if people shitting on every popular anime to get hster cred on a fucking anonymous board isn't a cirlejerk.
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>>124922661
Slower motion would be what Kirei and Kiritsugu's fight is. Servants fight on super speed, so slowing it down would make the fight feel slow and not as powerful.
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>>124922568
>It doesnt get repetitive in the VN and there it goes for a long ass time

Yes, it did, they talked even more than they did on TV and Nasu's habit of extending the battles like they're bands of rubber to get as big a pop as possible in the end can be pretty tedious.
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>>124922435
>kuro vs altSeibah
That fight was shit, anon.
All the shitty camera-swinging tried too hard to create a sense of motion and instead wound up creating a sense of the cameraman being totally fucking piss-drunk.
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>>124922594
>you can do it in a slower motion

I'm glad you aren't a director.
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>>124922435
The animation in that fight isn't even half as good.
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Boring shit.
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>>124922184
You actually need to watch the Deen movie at least to appreciate this adaptation that is while not perfect is damn good.
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>>124921740
I like how Gae Bolg Thrown was just Cu throwing a spear.

It's supposed to be a damn carpet bomb, ufo.
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>>124922792
What the hell are you on about?
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>>124921740
I loved it and the episode as a whole. I hope they deliver big on Archer vs Shirou. And that don't change the rape scene but just imply it or show Rin struggling.
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A fight is better when it thrives of emotional tension instead of flash and camera-swinging.

If we can take ANY lesson from the clusterfuck of failure and AIDS that was the Star Wars prequels, it's that.
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>>124922661

>but kids these days like the jedi fights full of sparks.

I'd rather have watched 5 minutes of jedi sparks than 3 minutes of half baked psychology lecturing
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>>124921740
Wasn't really a "fight" though.
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>>124922151
Reread the scene in the VN, the AT-fields were already there, they just all broke at the same time, the anime make it better in that sense
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Wahh wahh wahh it sucks

Then don't watch it
Then go make your own show
Then go fist yourself
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>>124922706
Nasu fanboys have a strange internal monologue fetish. Nasu can write the worst shit but they will still eat it because It's an internal monologue.
Also no internal monologue. = It's shit, no matter if it was bad and/or totally useless
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WHEN DO RIN AND SHIROU HAVE SEX
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>>124922943
Episode 23 or 24, probably
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>>124922151
>Typical MALfag.
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>>124922823
Gae Bolg Thrown splits. Cu throws it, it becomes a carpet bomb. It's not just "cu throws lance fast".
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>>124922708
BTFO >>124922120
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>>124923021
I don't recall it being like that in the VN, or at least the CGs didn't depict it like that.
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>>124922957
The end of the series? I thought they needed a power up during the time Saber was out of their hands.
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>>124921935
>>124922024
Confirmed for being a poorfag without a decent home cinema.

Or you could just be a faggot.
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>>124923124
Dude it was boring.
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>>124923068
I think He was talking about the original Gae Bolg legend.
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>>124923110
>Type:Anty-Army Noble Phantasm
>Rank: B+
>Maximum number of targets: 50

I think it's pretty clear.
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>>124923156
Well then that's a bit silly to complain considering the franchise's take on myths isn't it?
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>>124923110
They only need one to beat Gilgamesh
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>>124923214
So the novel didn't tell anything about thrown splits.
I think it's pretty clear.
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>>124922311
They complain because it's /a/ culture to shit on things even remotely popular.

This place really is a shithole but it's unfortunatly the only anime based site that doesn't make you cringe every other post.
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>>124923068
It's how it's described in CM3. It's supposed to be undodgeable because the number of thorns makes it so even the most agile person couldn't escape.
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>>124922140
>That shield is actually a sword
That's Aias' Shield.
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>>124922873
I revel in a webm that I can parse frame by frame and every frame is good.
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The only thing the fight could have used is another ten or fifteen seconds of Archer being overwhelmed by Lancer's speed but barely surviving.
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>>124923021
>>124923324
That's when it strikes the target. Gae Bolg was off screen when it shattered the last petal and struck Archer, so we didn't see the splitting.
Rather, the splitting was the hugefuck nuke when Aias shattered.
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>>124923144

0.999...9/10
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Gae Bolg – Spear of Striking Death Flight
Rank: B+
Type: Anti-army Noble Phantasm
Range: 5-40
Maximum targets: 50 persons

The largest and most powerful attack delivered using Gae Bolg. The “attack that unleashes countless darts at the enemy” which legends speak of is Gae Bolg – Striking Death Flight. After accelerating through an approach run, Cú Chulainn takes to the skies and activates Striking Death Flight by hurling it towards the ground with all his might.

Different from Gae Bolg – Piercing Death Thorn, Striking Death Flight does not carry the property or concept of “always pierces the opponent’s heart”, but compared to Piercing Death Thorn, both power and area of effect are increased (intense consumption of Magic Energy). It is a technique that attacks the enemies together with the surrounding area, in a carpet bombing fashion. Even resilient bulwark or agile body are not immune to the power of Striking Death Flight; Gae Bolg will send the enemy horde flying. In legend, the demonic spear is said to split into 30 and pour down over the enemy, but it seems the number has increased after Cú Chulainn became a Heroic Spirit. During the battle with Emiya, Emiya spoke of Striking Death Flight “exceeding the original, Gungnir – Declaration of the Great God”.
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>>124923348
Well, good chunk of the Archer vs Lancer fights were animated by Ufo's best action animator after all.
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>>124921740
This show is utterly boring and poorly directed. I felt more tension reading the first few lines of the VN (didn't finish it yet) than in the entirety of the show and I really loved Fate/Zero. Why did they let Kara no Kyoukai 6 man do this? WHY?
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>>124923469
Oh, are you the same tension guy complaining about the Berserker fight?
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>>124923469
Its way too shonenfied
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>>124923541
No, but the Berserker fight was lame as well. Most fights which include Gilgamesh are, because his fighting style is boring.
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>>124923144
Except it wasn't
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>>124923469
>poorly directed
There it is again
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>>124923625
But it's true. There is no tension, the camera angles and presentation are as basic as they get, go watch a good movie or heck, even Fate/Zero to see what good directing can do.
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>>124923608
I want to eat that pizza. Must be the best pizza in the world if he decides to store it in his treasury.
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>>124922873
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The budget will go to 2 fights

Shirou vs The Red Man

Shirou vs King of Heroes
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>>124923700
Both F/Z and UBW aren't anything remarkable in terms of directing. They have some good bits, but that's about it. UBW's action has better presentation than F/Z's though.
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>>124923541
>I felt more tension reading the first few lines of the VN
>>124923700
>There is no tension, the camera angles and presentation are as basic as they get

>No,

Well, If you aren't the legendary Tension-kun, you must be his siamese twin.
Stop lying, Tension-kun
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Sort of losing my patience to be honest. I keep waiting for something awesome to happen, and when it finally does it feels super brief and interspaced between a boatload of exposition and or taunting.
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>>124923923

It was literally the exact same thing in Fate/Zero.
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>>124923860
Any person who didn't just watch 10 anime in their lifetime would recognize that UBW's presentation is fucking boring. The source material and the prequel are great, but this just isn't.
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>>124921740
Kekkai Sensen looks so much better than this shit. I wonder why you guys like this piece of shit.
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>>124923923
Shut up faggot, you even got Kung-fu Rin and Archer riddling team caster.
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So you want 25 minutes of action? Go watch Naruto or Bleach then
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>>124924031
Rin vs Caster was kind of lame but picked up at the end. I was surprised though - in the opening sequence we see Caster fighting Lancer.

And also that Archer took him out so easily considering teacher guy smacked saber around last season.
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>>124924029
>cum filter covering half-assed Shinji Kimura backgrounds

It's shit also mate.
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>>124924069
And here we have a secondary arguing with people who have read the source material.
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>>124924069
>And also that Archer took him out so easily considering teacher guy smacked saber around last season.

Not this shit again.
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>>124924029
You can't compare them you fucking retard, they are two completely different styles, and I'm saying this as someone who loves both.
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>>124924069

Caster was dead and Kuzuki had no buffs.
Notice he did the hand clenching motion but his hand distinctly did not glow pink this time around.
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>>124924052
Did anybody say they want 25 minutes of action? People just want something interesting to happen and not this piece of boring ass shit about people talking like they know anything about psychology.
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>>124924069
Kuzuki was boosted by Caster and had element of surprise when he fought Saber
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>>124924052
This. Maybe /a/utism wants them to yell out their attack moves for every swing.
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>>124924069
>And also that Archer took him out so easily considering teacher guy smacked saber around last season.

There was literally a cut showing Caster's magical enhancement disappearing from Kuzuki's fists.
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>>124924029

Looks like someone's lost, please guide him to the right thread.
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>>124924147 >>124924173
I see, I see. I was convinced that he let Archer kill him as he wanted to be with Caster.
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>>124924069
In the Saber fight Kuzuki's physical abilities were enhanced by Caster. As soon as Caster died, Kuzuki was just your ordinary Martial Artist and no real match for Archer (they briefly show how the magic disappears around his fists). He also didn't have the element of surprise that he did against Saber.
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>>124923923
Read the VN
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>>124924147
No more power of love for him.
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>>124924143
Yes I can. This is boring ass shit with lens flare and fucking obvious cgi in almost anything. The character design look stupid and the noses is fucking hell. Half of the show consist of moving mouth talking nonsense. Fuck this shit.
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>>124924270
>Read something with more boatload of exposition and and taunting.

You are a genius.
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>>124921740
>beamspams and forcefield

Thanks for reminding me once again why Zero was 666x better.
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The cover for the episode.
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>>124924358
Just do it
You will thank me later shit gets so intense I almost cry out with the characters
The anime is boring crap in comparison
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>>124924270
Which is way worse than the anime.
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>>124924400
>You will thank me later shit gets so intense I almost cry out with the characters

Haha faggot
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>>124924395

Because Diarmuid a shit? Your tastes are weird.
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>>124924400
Please, the VN is just as boring or even more boring than the anime. That shit looks bad and also badly written.
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>>124924450
It felt amazing.
Then I watch this and I feel nothing
VNs are way more immersive I guess

>>124924474
Just do it
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>>124924451
What don't you like about Lancer?
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>>124924451

Because fighting wasn't a powerlevel contest.
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>>124924395
> shit gets so intense I almost cry out with the characters
>intense

Good, I appoint you as Intense-kun, siamese twin of Tension-kun
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>>124924560
And you must be kun-kun the smug idiot.
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>>124924451
He was talking about the fight, dimwit.
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>>124924395
>Servants moving at human speeds
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Lancer's killing intent towards Archer was BARELY even portrayed.

Caster really did get shafted it seems. Horribly so.
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>>124924474
The VN is 1000x more immersive and the character designs weren't at least as ugly as in UBW. Plus, the writing was better too.
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>>124924495
His skills are uninteresting.

>>124924504
No, instead they were fucking nothing at all. Fate/Zero fights were absolute shit until the very last day. Caster's fight wasn't even mildly interesting; if you want to talk about fights lacking tension, how about the gigantic space monster that killed nobody and accomplished nothing?
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>>124924666
>Plus, the writing was better too.

Can you explain how?
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>>124924666
The designs are better but not by much. The writing is even worse.
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>>124921740
Ufo is showing off how much money they are making out of this.
Personally the scene was way too exaggerated. I don't think there was supposed to be explosions, or Archer's clothes disintegrating. Ufotable is definitely making UBW way more chuuni than it already is.
Kekkai Sensen has better fights, to be honest. Seraph my take that title soon though.
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>>124924572
No need to get mad, having two (siamese twins) heroes who can use the Delusion Marble "Unlimited Cringeworthy Post" is pretty entertaining.
Wait, are you Tension-kun from the future buy chance?
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>>124924690
You should ignore him, He's trolling, only few Fatefags are that stupid.
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>>124924722
The episode was most likely made before the blu ray sales. That scene was made by a really skilled action animator. That's all there is to it.
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>Personally the scene was way too exaggerated. I don't think there was supposed to be explosions
What the fuck do you expect that happens when you block an Anti-Army Noble Phantasm?

It's not just "throwing a spear really hard"
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>>124924690
Better introduction to the setting and world building, proper theme exploration, more and better relevant dialogue to flesh out said world, themes and characters, better pacing, better build-ups and pay-offs.
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>>124922435
No.
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Threadly reminder that people like this are currently in these threads.
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>>124922545
That is just a shitty translation.
Don't forget that Caster is Grecian
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>>124924838
>better pacing
Is this a joke?
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>>124924631
>servants naruto running face first at each other

Yeah, I'll take the realistically portrayed duels thank you very much.
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>>124924722
>or Archer's clothes disintegrating

Did you forget the fact that Archer's arm was nearly blown off in the VN?

Oh wait, you probably didn't even read it.
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UBW is undeniably the best eye candy this season has to offer.
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>>124924789
That's right. This will probably be the last good fight scene (unless you guys got to Caster's death already) since they will probably make Shirou move like a servant for whatever reason.

>>124924897
I did read it. I just didn't care enough to remember. The entire route was shit anyway.
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>>124923156
Well that never happened in the original legend.
He just stabbed people and thorns sprouted out of it.
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>>124924876
Yes, the anime doesn't give you time to get attached to anyone, despite three episodes with double the length in season 1. Squeezing the source material into just ~27 episodes is really hard, especially with such a hack as a director.
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>>124924792
Everything He listed is even more hilarious than that, though.
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>>124924933
>I did read it. I just didn't care enough to remember. The entire route was shit anyway.
Then just get out
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>>124922024
>Doesn't like Raw Anus vs Gay Bulge
>Thinks Caster's death was "sad"
Now THIS is shit taste.
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>>124923444
Who? Masayuki Kunihiro or Nozomu Abe?
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>>124924892
>Yeah, I'll take the realistically portrayed duels

Realistic duels?
In mythological battles?
Did someone not read the Iliad with limbs flying every which way?
Or Celtic myths where Cuchulainn punched some people so hard they literally exploded?
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>>124924933
>I-I did read it! It's not like I read the wiki or anything!
k secondary
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>>124923214
I'm pretty sure this hits 50 persons or more
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>>124924953
>I'm not allowed to criticize your show
Don't be so sensitive, anon.
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>>124924849

Is that fucking real? Hahaha oh wow
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>>124924474
>>124924358
>>124924395
>>124924403
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>>124924933
>I did read it. I just didn't care enough to remember.

Then shut the fuck up instead of searching for silly excuses for complaining.
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>>124922435
>Generic shounen shit fight were screaming makes your attack defeat your opponent
>Good.
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>>124923418
Why is that completly different from what the VN says?
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>>124924941
It feels so awkward and unnatural when they switch between SoL and the HGW, they just don't have enough time to do it right. Season 1 did that somewhat better, but Season 2 is a failure and it doesn't even look that good. Hibike Euphonium and even Fate/Zero looked better.
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>>124923700
Fate/Zero's screenplay was bad most of the time. Only some episode directors made their respective episodes decent enough in that point.
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>>124924966
Abe did Gae Bolg. Kunihiro probably did the Lancer vs Archer parts before the spear throw.
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>>124924986
Hey I'm perfectly fine with valid points, but saying that "Archer's clothes shouldn't have been torn off" while in the VN his arm is just hanging on a thread is just stupid.

Valid points, not random ramblings of someone who just doesn't like the show to begin with.
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Why did Gay Bulge activate if Archer could deflect it? It's supposed to have already pierced one's heart if it activates.
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>>124924986

>Why don't people love me for forcing myself to watch an adaptation of something I hated?
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>>124924933
>The entire route was shit anyway.

What didn't you like about it?
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>>124924849
Holy shit.
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>>124924867
Grecian myth, but more like Georgian by location. Colchis is on the other side of the black sea, far from Greece.
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>>124925014
Mirror Moon's shitty translation.
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If you must fight, do it with stick figures like patricians.
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>>124925021
UBW still looks better than F/Z.

>Euphonium
That's a given of course, this is based Kyoani we're talking about here.
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>>124924967

They can still be animated without it looking like Naruto. Zero did it well.
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Do you guys think Archer will use the full UBW chant next week?

He only used a few lines in the VN
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>>124924395
The only decently animated fights in Zero were the Saber vs. Lancer ones.
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>>124925029
You're just retarded, the screenplay was well done most of the time, especially compared to the crap that is UBW. Do you even know what you're talking about?
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>>124924921
But that's Kekkai Sensen.
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>>124925044
That's the stab, throw operates on different principles. It only aims at the heart with overwhelming power, all Rho Aias did was make it survivable.
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>>124924933
>UBW Route
>Shit
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>>124925108

He doesn't obviously but at the same time can't admit his favourite show is shit.
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>>124925070
Grecian isn't a word you fucking american
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>>124925100
No, Fate/Zero looked better, especially in terms of directing. Only thing that wasn't as good, was the amount of details in the actual animation, but the rest starting from the character models to the backgrounds and visual diversity was superior in Fate/Zero.
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>>124925102

They're not "realistic" at all in Zero and heroes should not be constrained by realism.
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>>124922435
Agreed. Silver Link did everything better than Ufotable, did on a lower budget.
http://a.pomf.se/xhxlst.webm
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>>124925108
No, Aoki Ei is a shitty director. The episodes he did personally had an atrocious screenplay and storyboard work.
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>>124924933
>Disliking the best route
Amazing faggotry.
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>>124924892
Zero's battles aren't even realistic. I guess you missed the part where Saber flips over Diarmuid's slash in their first fight? If you want realistic fights in anime, go watch Junketsu no Maria. Now that show had some proper research into armed combat techniques.
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>>124925159
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Grecian
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/grecian
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grecian
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Grecian
Fuck off britbong
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>>124925162
They can still look unrealistic, but this is just Naruto tier for the most part.
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>>124925161
>the rest starting from the character models

Haha, no. The characters looked ugly as butt, especially towards the end when the caffeine-overdozed animators clearly couldn't even see straight anymore.
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>>124925168
Lancelot's and Gilgamesh's fucking dogfight shits on everything in UBW.
I loved it.
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>>124925165
Those digital effects are even worse than Ufo's.
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Can you guys stop falling to this obvious as fuck bait? Every single fucking thread.
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>>124925075
No that's pretty much what the japanese text says.
Nasu just isn't very consistent
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>>124925188

You must have a very high opinion of Naruto.
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>>124925168
>>124925162

I like how you two took "realistic" literally and completely missed the point.
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>>124925251

There is no fucking point, how do you use "realistic" figuratively? Why do I keep biting this bait?
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>>124925231
>Enjoying the show
>S-Stop replying to b-bait!

This is some /b/-tier shit.
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>>124925193
Fate/Zero 2nd Season looks better than Kara no Kyoukai and UBW combined most of the time. If you watched all of them in BD quality, you'd knew that. UBW's characters look ugly as butt, just look at Rin and all the other ANTEATER SNOUTS. Fate/Zero always looked great, except for the Holy Grail Dialogue.
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>>124925188
I'd love the series to have "Naruto-tier" animation if it meant getting animation of this caliber.
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>>124925014
>>124925234
It is actually explained that both versions of Gae Bolg are unblockable and unavoidable but in a different way. Anti-unit has the whole causality effect and Anti-army is carpet bombing that leave no place to avoid its thorns, but no causality trick.
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>>124925243
>thinking naruto is any worse than this mess
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>>124925188
That's the point: they aren't human. They're all above humanity.
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>>124925279
>being this dense
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>>124925320
>>124925351
Not talking about the animation quality, but how the fights themself look, you fucking idiots. They look like fucking Power Rangers.
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>>124925043
How the fuck does Archer heal that fast enough to fight Shirou moments later?

Specially considering he spends his whole stay in Fate route healing the wound he got from Saber. And with no master.
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>>124925320
Why do all the shit shows get the best animation? Seraph, UBW, even fucking Naruto.
I'm genuinely jealous.
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>>124925373
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>>124925310
Fate/Zero main weakness was how plain some characters were at times, and that was even more true in the 2nd Cour. Add to that the characters designed by Ikariya were kinda off compared to the ones by the other character designers.
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>>124925400
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>>124925388
Because Servants can use their magical energy reserves and look fine afterwards. That doesn't mean they are healed though, but they heal faster than a normal human.
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>>124925388
>And with no master.
Caster was still his master at that point so he had shitload of mana to heal himself
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>>124925436
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Who is best Caster & why is it__Cu__?
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>>124925409
They are even more plain in UBW and look downright retarded at points.
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>>124925436
Gil running into GoB takes the cake.
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>>124925459
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>>124925409
Urobuchi's characters are always on the weak side.
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>>124925381

So you have some bizarre inscrutable complaint with no grounding. Sasuga troll-san.
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>>124925490

Would that even work?
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Saber seemed to have no issues with announcing her challenge after flying off the cliff, by shouting Rider's name, and right after that it seems before they even clashed she realized something was wrong and sort of hesitated. Yet when she lands on the ground, knowing that Irisviel is not at the scene, she doesn't seem to actually talk to Rider or try to clear anything up.

Instead the scene breaks off, and when we return, both sides are already ready to fight it out without saying anything to each other at all. This leads me to wonder if there is a scene missing where Saber tries to reason with Rider, but he wants to defeat her so badly he won't let her leave even though she knows they're not involved. If there is such a scene, it would also explain why after failing to kill both Rider and Waver with the attack, she chooses to leave instead of attacking them further. But right now as it is, it just seems kinda odd and poorly set up.
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>>124925483
No they are not, UBW is far more solid in that and has an obvious bigger budget. The problem in UBW is the characters designed by Tabata (like Rin) that look a bit off in profile shots.
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>>124925483
UBW's character designs are really shit.
How did someone draw Rin and think, "Yup, that looks good"?
Shirou tends to look like a frog as well.
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>>124925490
The cake Shinji certainly didn't get for his berthday
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>>124922314
You might want to rewatched the flower behind the layers again as they did get destroyed the more layers that were lost.
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>you would know history if you were as intelligent as me as read wikipedia
>no you would know history if you were as intelligent as me and read this one article in my sister's glamor magazine last year
>no it is i who is more intelligent
>no me
>no me
It's like I'm really on total war general again...
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>>124925538
Shirou looks perfectly fine, he is a definite step up from his original design.
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>>124925389
Because money.
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>>124925533
Saber riding a fucking motorcyle.
Gilgamesh getting his own plane.
Lancelot stealing a plane.
Rider being GOAT tier king and broing it up with Waver.
COOOOOL
Zero was amazing sometimes. UBW just isn't nearly as cool.
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>>124925538
Nothing like Iskandar in Zero, who looked like a big retard 70% of the time.
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>>124925538
>Shirou tends to look like a frog as well.
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>>124925548
Fuck. You're right. They put so much focus on the layers that I didn't notice the petals.
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>>124925498
They make atom bomb-like explosions and nobody notices this shit. Like when Berserker fought in S1 right next to a bunch of houses. The fights in UBW are just retarded and make no sense. It's just Naruto power level battles with no real strategy. Fate/Zero Saber vs Lancer #1 was still the best Type-Moon fight put to animation.
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>>124925537
>the problem with UBW is that it's shit

fix'd for you, shit taste-san.
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>>124925560
>not reading your sister's fashion magazines
They can have some interesting stuff in there sometimes, m8.
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>>124925533

She made a split second decision to stand and fight even though she knew she had been mislead.

>The truth was still unclear, but now an intense premonition rushed forth into Saber’s heart that she had been tricked. That feeling made her restless. While Saber had been pursuit Rider, the culprit that had set Rider up might be fleeing with Irisviel even now.
>She could not stay here any longer. She needed to return to Shinto as quickly as possible to search for Irisviel.
>And yet—though this judgment was entirely accurate, Saber did not move. There was a tense aura about her body, like the rising wind that heralds a coming storm; no useless action was allowed. She gazed upon the danger before her eyes, taking her stance and preparing to go all out at any time.
>About a hundred meters away, Rider’s chariot also slowed to a stop. And it had reversed the direction that it was facing, too. All this time, it had moved straight forward to let Saber trail in its dust, but now it actually turned around; the eyes of the two divine bulls, as well as their master the King of Conquerors, were filled with a feeling of the joy of battle; he looked upon Saber with a captivating gaze.
>There was no need to guess. Rider’s intentions were very obvious—he intended to fight.
>From his eyes could not be seen the slightest shadow of deception or scheming; he had truly been set up. The fires of rage burned in the eyes of the King of Conquerors as if demonstrating his might and saying ‘No matter how you may stab me, I will return it in equal measure’.
>If Rider had moved east because he had the intention to challenge Saber, then his situation was different from that of Saber who had been led into a trap; he was in no way opposed to the current situation.
>Precisely because of this, if she were to ignore the problem of Rider and return to Fuyuki City, this would mean that she would be victim to Rider’s attack from behind while she was completely unprepared.
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I felt like the animation didn't do Rin's fight justice. When I read the VN, I got the feeling that Caster was very serious and was having a pretty big shoot out with Rin (though still one sided because of the jewel limitations). This felt less like Rin was managing to match Caster's stronger spells and more like she was blocking some pity potshots which is probably why her gem magic seems disappointing to some.
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>>124925656
Wow, what an argument patrician-kun.
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>10 seconds of clashing weapons
>a minute of standing around talking
>30 seconds of lance slowly pierces coloured dome followed by explosion whilst both of the stand around looking at each other
Epic fight scene brah.
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>>124925607
>Caster keeping Saber prisoner
>You're strong Berserker
>Dr.Gil
>Do you have enough swords King of Heroes?
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>>124925537
Fate/Zero never had this many retarded shots.
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>>124925639

People notice all the time.
They promptly get hypnotized and told to shut the fuck up.
The Church works fast.

No fight in Fate/Zero made use of strategy either, at least in any meaningful way, after Diarmuid's gambit against Saber. And one fight does not carry a fucking show.
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>>124925639
In the VN, they do focus on strategy a bit more.
Though, its still straight up power-level battles.
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>>124925721
It had some worse actually. Look at this and tell me this is good.
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I feel like they should have revealed Lancer's Master before this episode.
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>>124925243
Ironically, Naruto is shit in many aspects, but it's battle choreography and animation is definitely top-tier in the anime history. You can ask any experienced Japanese animator and you will get the same answer. UBW isn't even close to Naruto if we are talking about fighting scenes.
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>>124925691

And to top it off the 10 seconds was naruto run into a lancer ass shot into a pink flower being penetrated by a phallic symbol. UBW faggots confirmed for gay.
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>>124925310
>Fate/Zero 2nd Season looks better than Kara no Kyoukai and UBW combined most of the time. If you watched all of them in BD quality, you'd knew that.

I own the sodding blu-ray box, m8, and as much as I love the show, even I have to admit the character models and animation are most of the time absolutely hideous. They didn't even bother to fix those horrible quality faces in the debate of Kings and the final battle of Kerry vs Kirei made me want to cry. Sure, there were nice shots along the way too, but few and far in between. UBW has been a LOT better so far.
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>>124925721
Fate Zero had an episode with enough off-model drawings to warrant a re-broadcast of the fixed version a few days later.
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>>124925727
They never showed shit, thus your argument is invalid. Remember, I'm talking about the anime, not the VN. I loved the VN, but the anime is shit.

>>124925738
Exactly, but they don't present them like that. Even the Naruto fights had more strategy than the UBW anime fights.
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>>124925776

It's better.
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>>124925310
I sense a lot of bias here.
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>>124924849
For fucks sake why do these people exist?
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>>124925788
>debate of Kings
They fixed that though.
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>>124925639
>Best Type-Moon fight
>Not Berserker vs Everyone
Berserker's First Errand > F/Z
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>>124925664
>Top 10 Blowjob Techniques
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>>124925808

How does that apply at all to my argument of "Fate/Zero had no strategy either so how is this a fucking point in its favor"?
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>>124925808
>Exactly, but they don't present them like that.
Ok exactly what about Rin vs. Caster wasn't tactical?
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>>124925850

If they did, I feel sorry for them, because it was still embarrassing to watch.
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>>124925727
>No fight in Fate/Zero made use of strategy either,

Actually, Kirei Vs Kiritsugu is the best strategic fight of the whole Fate.
Inb4 anime onlyfags.
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>>124923021
I didn't even know it was anti-army I thought it was a one-man kill something something.
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>>124925787
>Lancer launching his Gay Bulge into Archer's Raw Ass
>Complaining about the phallic symbol
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English is my second language, and while I was browsing some French forums I was curious what they thought of this show and a lot of the people are convinced Ulysse or Ajax is Archer's true identity.
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>>124925784
>You can ask any experienced Japanese animator and you will get the same answer.
I haven't heard of veteran animators commenting about the good Naruto fights, but a handful of the web-gen animators definitely have been influenced by Norio Matsumoto's work in Naruto.
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>>124925776
>>124925796
Fate/Zero is four years old now and was Ufo's first big TV show with Kara no Kyoukai levels of scale, also that's a TV broadcast screenshot, and Rider is a character with lots of details to take care of, such mistakes are allowed the first time. But now, four years later and with a supposedly bigger budget, it looks even worse than most of Fate/Zero.

>>124925788
Animation looks better in UBW, yes, I admitted that, but the rest does not.
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>>124925886
Kiritsugu vs Lancer's master was pretty strategic until Kiritsugu took out his hax bullets.
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>>124925826
You must be blind then. Iskandar looks like if he is a big retard, his ears are aligned with his mouth, his body shape is completely off and his fingers are just laughable. And the problem is that he looks like this most of the fucking time.
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>>124924849
Jesus F. Christ
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>>124925886

We're talking about the anime here, and no, that was exclusively powerlevel bullshit.
Remember Kirei could only punch a bullet thanks to command spells. He could instantly crush his opponent's heart due to command spells. Kiritsugu could survive this due to Avalon, Kiritsugu could keep up due to Time Alter. It was literally all powerlevels.
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>>124925856
I wonder if that's how Arturia knows how to please men.
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>>124925688
I think it makes more sense this way.

Rin, as good as a modern magic user is, is completely shit compared to a magic master hero from the Age of the Gods
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Nasu plots are too convenient. Well, so are most plots. Most of his characters (such as Gil) are one-sided and aren't really believable. Shirou is an exception. On Kara no Kyoukai, he fleshes out more characters. On Fate/Zero, Kirei and Kiritsugu are also very well developed, as are most of its characters actually. I've been thinking that F/SN should be rewritten by Urobochi Gen since I've finished the novel.
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>>124925914
>Ufo's first big TV show with Kara no Kyoukai levels of scale
Zero and UBW doesn't even come close to KnK.
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>>124925856
Why would your sister be reading that?
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>>124925918
Don't forget the inexplicable lighting on his tumorous arms.
It's like he's getting Berserker's protrusions
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>>124925914
>But now, four years later and with a supposedly bigger budget, it looks even worse than most of Fate/Zero.
But it does not? The only problem people have is Rin because Tabata design is not for everyone, but that is a design problem. Almost everyone else look better and pretty solid most of the time.
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>>124925917
His entire strategy revolved around him using the hax bullets, he was pretty much just setting up the stage for it the entire time.
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>>124925974
Why not? It's a good skill to learn.
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Deen should take notes
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>>124926005
You mean ufotable should take notes, right?
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>>124926005
I believe in Deen.
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>>124925014
Thrown Gae Bolg has the concept that it will always hit, but not necessarily the heart.

Thrust Gae Bolg is something Cu himself came up with, to maximize the value of "Will always hit" in the most optimal way.

Thrown version is the true way to use the weapon, and the strongest. Thrust is the form he created, creating the greatest value for the dollar, which is practical.
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>>124925962
Kotomine in Zero is just Gen jerking to Kotomine at the end of HF and being boring most of the time. Gilgamesh in CCC is millions of time better than Gilgamesh in Zero.
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>>124925974
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>>124922120
>Every other site liked it therefore it was shit

What a retard.
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Fate/Zero Episode 24
Episode Director: Ei Aoki, Kei Tsunematsu
Storyboard: Ei Aoki
Animation Director: Atsushi Ikariya, Tomonori Sudo, Keita Shimizu, Shunya Kikuchi
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>>124925388
>How the fuck does Archer heal that fast enough to fight Shirou moments later?
Because Caster, the servant with a shitload of mana was still Archer's master.
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>>124925889
Lancer can use in two ways, anti-unit and anti-army.
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>>124925962
I actually personally find Shirou unbelievable the most out of the cast, minus female King Arthur (who also got a dick from Merlin so she can have a child with another woman).
The whole fire thing didn't seem traumatizing enough to warrant Shirou being "crazy and broken" when he's had years upon years of healing.
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>>124926064
>2 directors for a standard-length episode
They were definitely pressed for time on that episode.
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>>124926034
I know the way it works in Nasu's setting is different than mythos, but for newfags:
Gae Bolg in the IRL myth is supposed to be thrown by kicking it
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>>124925514
You don't remember Gil stuffing Shinji into GoB in the anime, and then throwing him back out onto Ilya's house?

It's an entire pocket dimension that's theoretically infinite in scope. Apparently it was created back when he was alive.
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>>124926098
Shirou is basically Kotomine 2.0. His heart died in the fire and he was just void when Kiritsugu found him, so he clinged to Kiritsugu's happiness to find someone alive and was distorted.
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>>124926098
>having your home, family, and friends burned to ash around you isn't traumatizing
>wandering the broken streets full of dead and dying people crying for help isn't traumatizing
He was like 8 years old and lived through something worse than most soldiers go through after multiple tours of duty.
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>>124926064
Director/Storyboard: Ei Aoki
Animation Directors: Atsuhi Ikariya, Tomonori Sudou, Keita Shimizu, Jun'ya Kikuchi, Toshiyuki Shirai, Shizuka Fujisaki

Shame it wasn't twice as long.
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>>124921740
>They watch Fate because of fights

Really? is this a joke?
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>>124926137
>Gae Bolg in the IRL myth is supposed to be thrown by kicking it
It's still just an "anti-person" thing.
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>>124926171
Its not like the story is any good.
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>>124921740
Ufotable handles that kind of detail much more thoroughly.

For example, the fight scene from Fate Zero episode 4 not only shows very detailed collateral damage to the battle's surroundings, it also makes sure that the damage remains intact even between different scenes and different perspectives.
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>>124926165
Ei is an absolute shit-tier director.
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>>124925931
>that was exclusively powerlevel bullshit.

Meticulously planning moves and countermove isn't "powerlevel bullshit" by any mean.

>>124925917
>>124925984

That too. And there are a lot of minor scenes where the characters seriously plan their moves.
Tosaka got fucked because He planned too much.
It really felt like a war.

>Remember Kirei could only punch a bullet thanks to command spells. He could instantly crush his opponent's heart due to command spells. Kiritsugu could survive this due to Avalon, Kiritsugu could keep up due to Time Alter. It was literally all powerlevels.

That's called been unrealistic, strategically using super powers is still strategy, dimwit.

>Kotomine in Zero is just Gen jerking to Kotomine at the end of HF and being boring most of the time.

Congratulations for being so biased.
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>>124922120
/a/ is the biggest circlejerk ever, in fact all 4chan boards are
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>>124926171
Waiting for Heaven's Feel
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>>124926227
>It really felt like a war.
It didn't at all.
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>>124926260
Same.
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>>124926090
Why did Lancer even let Archer live? Fuck UBW.
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>>124926098
As a psychotherapist, I'd say it's not that weird

It's mostly hardcore ego death and trauma in early years, where the mind hasn't been able to fully develop itself yet and it hits the hardest.
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>>124926171
UBW anime doesn't offer much else.
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>>124926227
>Meticulously planning moves and countermove isn't "powerlevel bullshit" by any mean.
There was exactly none of that until the final clash. Kiritsugu winged the whole fucking thing because he didn't expect to survive the first twelve seconds--and in fact he did not, if it weren't for Avalon bringing him back online.
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>>124926227
>It really felt like a war.
Well, to be fair that was the intention with Zero. Nasu wanted it to be a standard and gruesome war (to reflect what was explained about it in HF), and Gen took it really seriously.
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>>124926227
>It really felt like a war.
It felt like a ridiculously contrived prize fight.

The only person in the 4th war who knew what he was doing was Zouken.
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>>124925012
>screaming makes your attack defeat your opponent

But that's actually true. Yelling tightens your stomach muscles, which is a key to most martial arts. It also scares the fuck out of your opponent. And it also puts more strength into your strike.
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>>124926171
>They watch UBW because of fights

Yeah.
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>>124925310
Fate/Zero is not a showcase of sakuga, nor does it give the impression that it should be one. ufotable have kept their more notable animators off the project thus far.

If Fate/Zero is anything, it's a showcase of digital photography and simulated cinematography.
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>>124926296
His mission wasn't to kill Archer, but to allow Rin and Shiro to kill Caster.
Lancer realized Archers true plans which was to kill Caster.
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>>124926296
He realized Archer's strategy all along was to fuck over Caster like this, as soon as she wasn't watching.
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>>124926296
Because he promised Rin to not killing him. And once he saw what Archer plan was about, he let him go to do it. Lancer just want to fight, he does not care about the Grail.

What Lancer didn't expected is to Archer bretay Rin again. Later they find him and say it to him and he gets really pissed about it (and offers his help again).
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>>124926413
I mean use Caster to break his ties with Rin then kill Caster.
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>>124926296
Are you retarded?

First, Rin tells Lancer to not kill him (she wants to recover Saber and Archer, and scold Archer)

Second, Lancer realises at the end of the fight that Archer was actually going to betray Caster
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>>124926415
Lancer is such a bro.
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>>124924849
>>124925834
>>124925927
They're doing it on purpose, they hate stay night.
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Fun factoid: The director of Fate/Zero has not actually played Fate/stay night.

Food for thought.
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>>124926446
Because you're a secondary
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>>124926453
Obviously, but secondary babbies won't understand this.
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>>124926489
Ei is shit. Just watch Aldnoah.
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>>124926351
That's how most adaptations work.
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>>124926502
What will they understand? What if I tell them that Enkidu is as strong as Gil or that Karna is stronger than Diarmuid & Cu?
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>>2011

・A lot of discussion was had over the idea of wanting F/Z to "be that anime series you look forward to every week"

・Reason F/Z is released in a BD box: It's a show they want you to watch all at once, not volume by volume (why two boxes then lol)
Impossible to include all the extras [52 page pamphlet, bonus footage, and other great stuff] at the typical price of individual volumes

・Where F/Z is in production
The scenario is complete | continuity has made it to around ep 20
Production is moving along as planned and is doing well

・No plans for a Fate/stay night anime remake

・Progress is slowly but surely being made on Girls' Work
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Zero was a lot more entertaining than UBW.
The only thing UBW really has going for it is it's fucking enormous budget.
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>>124926157
But there are a lot of real people that have been through worst and didn't act retarded like Shirou.
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>>124926489
So?

>>124926524
It's still decently directed. But KnK 1 and F/Z are great overall.
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>>124926574
>Progress is slowly but surely being made on Girls' Work
Yeah sure.
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>>124926572
Gae Bolg > Kavancha & Kundala
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>>124926574
>Girls' Work
>ever happening
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>>124926600
And there are a lot of real people that have been through less and act more retarded than Shirou, smartass.
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>>124926600
What the fuck, how many people do you think live through a firebombing exactly? While hearing the burning screams and miserable pleading of their friends, family, and entire city district?
That is not even close to a common occurrence in real life.
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>>124926600
If you're going to play that card then you might as well add that there's a lot of real people that have been through a lot less and act more retarded than Shirou.
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>>124925913
Well, Matsumoto is basically a god so there's nothing really to talk about.
Not to mention other animators like Yamashita, Honda, Hashimoto that worked in Naruto which are all better than anyone Ufotable has.
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>>124926005
Ufotable is the one that should take notes. Can't they at least make the fight as interesting as this?
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>>124926600
People react differently to the same situation all the time.
Though I still fucking hate Shirou.
>>124926675
Makes me think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
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>>124926604
To adapt a prequel that is so heavily tied to the original (to the point that it was written to tie perfectly with it) without reading the original says a lot. Hell Urobuchi doesn't want the Fate/Zero LN being released in english if Fate/stay night is not realeased it first.

Also, the F/Z episodes directed by Ei are probably the blandest ones in terms of direction.
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Ryougi a best.
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It didn't seem like Lancer was able to strike a hundred times in a blink of an eye in this adaption.
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>>124926637
Vasavi Shakti > Gay Bulge
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>>124926732
That is literally the only good animated fight in that entire season.
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>>124926732
Nyanta-san can shit on gilgamesh, called it
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The anime entirely cut out the part of why Archer was able to dodge Cu's attacks despite him no longer holding back anything.

People think at first "Well surely he's still holding back, I mean he promised Rin..." if they had read the text Cu directly states that once the battle started he didn't care about the promise anymore, or it was secondary compared to the fun of battle, he was going all out, yet something was odd as Archer was still able to dodge him despite being far inferior.

Right here in this cap, flat out states he wasn't holding back because of the promise for those people that are like "Well clearly the promise...", then if that logic doesn't work they go "Well that scene probably took place first" which isn't right. It's like how people miss the VN had an entire explanation on how Archer can't perceive Cu's attacks, but due to Mind's Eye he can read the flow and dodge even if he can't grasp it anymore, in conjunction with leaving openings on himself so that he knows where to dodge. This confused Cu who was like "If you were this skilled, there's no way you would have problems with Caster. Why would you even defect?".

Lot of that was half off-topic from my original point since I have to cover the bases on a lot of it so it won't become the exact same argument.

I don't know how they should have done it, but the fight probably should have gone on a bit longer.
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>>124926732
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>>124926765
Shiki > Shiki > Shirou
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>>124926600
Trauma is unique to the individual, and what Shirou went through is far, far worse than what 99.9% of humans will experience in their lifetime. And he experienced it at 8 years old.
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>>124926820
I can agree with this.
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>>124926793
>That is literally the only good animated part in 25 episodes.

Fixed.
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>>124926805
>The anime entirely cut out the part of why Archer was able to dodge Cu's attacks despite him no longer holding back anything.
Well, he actually did it in the anime too, it was just faster.
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>>124926765
Normally I hate shit like this, but the camera flipping the fuck out was masterfully done in that fight.
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>>124926765
>shit animation
>shit non-sensical camera angles

The only good fight in KnK was against the ghosts
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>>124926740
>Makes me think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
More like the firebombing of Tokyo, which actually killed more people and produced an entire generation of Shirous.
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>>124926859
>shit animation
Literally what
You are just as bad as people nitpicking UBW for the smallest things.
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>>124926859
Nope, Enjou vs the thugs in KnK 5 is the best.
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>>124926784
Runes > Prana Burst
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>>124926782
They probably couldn't go all the way because it would make the slow as fuck Zero fights look really weird in comparison. Pretty much the only time a Servant in zero moved even remotely fast as a Servant was when Berserker dealt with the first salvo from Gil's GoB. Everything before that and everything after that was slow as shit.
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>>124926805
How exactly do you depict someone leaving fatal openings in their guard so as to goad the enemy into capitalizing on those openings that you have already prepared to defend against?

It's not exactly visual.
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>>124926846
And there are far more human children less unique than Shirou that went through far worse than Shirou and still be less retarded.
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>>124926765
Either I'm not used to the camera, or this style just isn't for me, but I can't say I like the animation here.

Looks pretty fluid though.
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>>124926938
>And there are far more human children less unique than Shirou that went through far worse than Shirou
Fucking how common do you think firebombing is!?
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>>124926793
I'm just showing what happens when they actually get the budget to do something interesting. Give them the same budget as Ufotable is getting and we could see a much better UBW.
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>>124926938
Not really, how many fucked up people are in Iraq because war?

Shut up already, stop pretending PTSD doesn't exist
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>>124926857
It basically just used camera flipping to make those simple movements look complicated.
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>>124926859
Shit taste.
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>>124926859
Ei Aoki did ghosts
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>>124926921
Marik Ishtar > Kirei

In a children's card game.
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>>124926765

What the fuck were they thinking doing the camera flip
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>>124927025
The fight scenes are ridiculous, but nice to look at.
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>>124926989
PTSD exist but it isn't as unique as Shirou's. Apparently Shirou is acting like that because he sees people die. How many more people that suffer more than Shirou but still didn't get to be as unique as him.
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>>124926982
It's more like Deen actually got a good animator to help out for once. And he's freelance, so even if they had the budget to have him as a regular, one animator along can't carry the show. Ufo's UBW on the other hand has both internal and freelance animators providing the well-animated portions.
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>>124927082
Don't you get the fact that he's fucked up in the head? It's pretty simple if you ask me.
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>>124927106
The one animator that was tag at sakugabooru isn't the one who made this.
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>>124926453
So, he did it to get rid of the command spells? but why?
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>>124926925
Slow motion moments
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>>124926938
>And there are far more human children less unique than Shirou that went through far worse than Shirou
No there aren't. What Shirou lived through is a disaster more terrible than anything most humans will ever witness. You would have to find a child living in a particularly brutal war zone to find somebody with a worse experience than Shirou.
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>>124927143
You will learn about that out in a couple episodes.
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>>124927143
Why side with Caster: To get rid of command spells on him.

What command spell: "Don't attack Shirou"

Why: Killing Shirou is his goal, and meaning at the moment as a man reduced to a mere guardian.
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>>124927143
To get rid of the command spells. Duh.
He's not there to compete for the grail, he just wants to do one thing, which was impossible to do with the command spells in effect.
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>>124927164
And there are children like that but still isn't as unique as motherfucking Shirou.
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>>124927082
>Apparently Shirou is acting like that because he sees people die.
His family. His friends. Everyone he ever knew and cared about. Not just "people." Basically his whole life was taken from in that fire, what reason did he have to live after everything he cared about was destroyed in front of him? Then forced to watch people scream and beg for help and not being bale to do anything.

And again: he was only 8 years old when this happened.
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>>124927224
If someone planted seeds of justice into their mind then yes, they would become motherfucking Shirou.
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>>124922087
DING DING DING DING
You discovered a secret from the rigged Grail War!
Congratulations!
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>>124927229
In the middle east we see a lot more worst things than that. Stop making Shirou look like fucking special. He's just unique because Nasu wanted him to be.
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>>124927224
>And there are children like that
You'd be hard pressed to find any. Disasters of that scale and horror are not common, and children living through them are less common.
>but still isn't as unique as motherfucking Shirou.
Yeah because you interview survivors of horrific disasters all the time and have a wealth of personal knowledge on this subject.

That aside, Shirou is Shirou because he was saved by Kiritsugu. He was effectively dead until Kiritsugu found him, not only saving his life but his reason for living, after everything was taken from him.
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>>124927143
The problem is Emiya Shirou, who then dedicated his entire existence into trying to make that ideal come true. Emiya Shirou's own beliefs and actions drove him to become the man that Archer is today. Sure, killing Kiritsugu would mean that Emiya Shirou would never exist. But Archer's goal isn't to just eliminate Emiya Shirou's existence. Archer wants to kill Emiya Shirou, the boy that would walk the same path that Archer did, with his own hands since his source of frustration is with himself.
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>>124927223
Does Archer know the Grail is a fake?

Otherwise he could try to go for a wish as "I want to erase my existance on all timelines" or "I want to undo my contract" or something like that that would be a better shot than killing Shirou

Funny how that sounds Madoka-ish
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>>124927325
He's unique because he is an anime character.
Don't forget he has Avalon inside him and summoned King Arthur who sucked his dick.
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>>124927325
>In the middle east we see a lot more worst things than that
No you don't.
>waah my goats got hit by an ISIS rocket!
>IDS ANUDDA SHOAH!
Fuck off Ahmed.
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>>124927382
>Does Archer know the Grail is a fake?
Better than anyone.
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>>124927325
>In the middle east we see a lot more worst things than that.
No you don't. Not unless entire towns are regularly burned out of existence in the middle east, leaving only lone children as survivors.
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>>124927382
>Otherwise he could try to go for a wish as "I want to erase my existance on all timelines"

Making Emiya Shirou not exist in the first place would be an even worse divergence, since that ensures that Archer will never appear from that timeline to begin with.

In order for Archer's goal to even have a remote chance of being realized, he has to kill an Emiya Shirou that can become Archer.
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>>124927325
People in the middle east get shot at and exploded. This is nothing compared to seeing entire city blocks burn to the ground around you while their inhabitants scream and beg for salvation. Oh, and while you slowly burn to death too, having left your family to die in the fire.
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>>124927397
It isn't just goats. My mom, dad, sister, uncle grandparents, friends and even that nice old lady gets killed.
Where's my justice?
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>>124927351
Not even mentioning that it wasn't just a simple fire, that shit angry manjew unleashed definitely didn't help the entire situation, with all the curses and shit.
http://a.pomf.se/dfgtor.webm
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>>124927229
There's another reason he survived when the rest of his family didn't. In the fire he had to act selfishly to make it out, but especially after he saw that. He didn't wait for them or tell them anything, he just bolted out the door upon witnessing something outside of human understanding. Surviving in that situation was all about one moment after another of selfishness to ensure self-preserverence that has haunted him since, but it started with a single action.

HF puts another layer on that he had to repress to keep going.
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>>124927466
Sounds like you're receiving it kebab.
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>>124927464
>>124927446
>>124927397
We do see a lot more worst things to happen in the middle east than what happen to Shirou. Nowhere did I say it happened on a regular basis.
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The Sun was out at night, that was a huge foreshadowing piece.
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Anyone got a webm of Rho Aias and Gay Bulge?
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>>124927459
Honestly, a self-removal wish powered by Second Magic would sound like the best shot

But good luck finding that
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>>124927466
First you have to summon female King Arthur, avoid death from your future self, and fuck the prettiest, richest girl in your high school.
Then you can have justice.
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>>124925221
Not only is that false but it's utterly embarrassing that moe pandering series outdone ufotable shouen series fight scene..
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>>124927627
>richest
Do you want to know HOW she got rich?
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>>124927657
I don't know what you're smoking to think that this looks better than the UBW fights
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>>124927589
Does the completed grail actually look like saruman's tower?
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>>124927026
No, Atsushi Itagaki did.
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>>124927711
she was born into one of the wealthiest families in fuyuki
hehehe spam unfunny meme hehehe
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>>124927731
That's the mud falling out of the vortex, seen in the climax of Fate/Zero.
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>>124927731
>completed

you mean destroyed?
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>>124927731
I always thought that was all the curses and corrupted shit spilling out of it.
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>>124927731
1
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>>124927711
Inheritance?
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>>124927713
Silver Link animated it better.
Ufotable just had more money.
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>>124927713
Camera angles and did so with a way lower budget whose main point isn't even about fighting. Again embarrassing. All ufotable did was successfully make things flashy for downies to wet themselves over muh animation, instead of paying attention to how the fight actually played out.
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Saber is the worst girl
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>>124927731
2
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>>124922087
Rider class is also good. The rest are shit though unless you get a really good Heroic Spirit.
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>>124927731
We only see the true grail in the last route
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>>124927899
By true grail you mean corrupted grail.
I don't think the greater grail + lesser grail without angry manjew would look like that.
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>>124927970
It would be just a colorless hole probably.
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>>124927970
true uncorrupted grail should be just a hole to Akasha, but yeah it definitely would look different
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>>124926853
>Doujin where Shiki comparing their husbando/waifu while eating ramen.
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>>124927970
That's still the greater grail, it's just that something is growing in it now. Maybe it would have looked differently at first, but it would have looked like something probably.
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Shirou dies in the fire like everyone else, just from the poison fumes instead of burning so his body is intact.
Kerry tries to use Avalon to resurrect the dead, it doesn't work like that so instead we get an empty soul that was created to sustain the body but had no humanity otherwise until it mimicked Kiritsugu.
He remembers the fire but only a remnant of that person is still home, mostly they overlap in the "save family, family dead" part but nothing else is left of the old Shirou. Enjou Tomoe is a similar fake.
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>>124928028
That's the Shadow growing into Angrya, the grail is the hole on top. Greater Grail is the entier cavern and Fuyuki's Ley lines plus the consciousness born from it.
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Here's the biggest issue with Kiritsugu that nobody brings up:

He knows that the methods he takes is evil. He also doesn't do what he does because he believes it to be the right thing. He does have that belief, but that's not what actually drives him.

No, the problem with Kiritsugu is that he believes that he's killed too much and done too many horrific things that he can't just walk away from it anymore. Having the Holy Grail grant his wish would be great for him not because he'll have some ideal realized, but because he won't have to sacrifice anyone else afterwards.

So regardless of whether or not his view or ideal is actually right, he'll keep going after it since he's stuck on that road.
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>>124928020
The greater grail even if completed would never become a hole to Akasha

The idea was that the grail would become an opening to the other side of the world, where infinite mana by today's standards could be found. Then ten years of research plus all this infinite mana would surely reach results to find the root and open the path.

The grail opens a path to the hidden side of the world, and they would use the hidden side to then create the path to the root. Lot of people seem to be sketchy on some of the ins and outs there. Ilya in one route was able to reach the other side of the world, and Sakura is connected to it at the end of one route.

It's also said to be where Avalon and all phantasmal beasts are located, the other side of the world. Where endless mana and prana can sort of be found, and any normal human would probably die pretty quickly there due to the overabundance of prana that's like being underwater.

It seems that Merlin found his way over there, and is surviving just fine. Odd humans can survive there, or creatures that naturally need prana.
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>>124928045
Shirou's basically a Tabula Rasa who got imprinted with the Seigi no Mikata meme

(meme in the actual academic sense)
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>>124927627
The story of Ahmed. He summoned a female King by accident which than he forces to wear a head scarf. He also tries to stop the King from fighting because women should stay in the kitchen cooking for him. His future self is actually one of the best servant that God has ever get. He gets to marry all the girls he fuck because he can.
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>Since /a/'s opinion is the only quantifiable measure of quality
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>he hasn't read the vn
>he thinks his opinion means anything
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>>124925389
>seraph
>best animation
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>>124928517
nigger
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>>124925450
Caster wasn't Archer's master, and more importantly can't be anyone's master on the account that she is a Servant.

Hell, Fake Assassin's actual master was a building since Caster couldn't do it.
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>>124928257
Different anon here:

In Qabbalah terms, going for the Root would be going beyond Kether to Ein Soph Aur.

Opening a hole to "the other side of the world" would be akin to reach the backdoor of Yesod that connects to Binah, beyond the Abyss.

It's funny how fucking fitting it is, if you know about Qabbalah. Not surprising since Nasu took shit from occultism, and also Mythos are closely related to it.
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>>124928682
His master was just the Gate mostly.

Li Shuwen has an Anti-Gate NP
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>>124928740
>>124928740
elaborate in non-weirdo terms
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>>124928740
oh and UBW's Shirou is Tiphareth as FUCK
IT WASN'T A MISTAKE!
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>>124925495
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>>124929050
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>>124928866
Shirou spent most of life training the one magecraft that he was told to do. Normally, that wouldn't make one develop anything other than the greatest Reinforcement mage in the world, but Shirou didn't follow the normal procedures for that kind of thing. With each use of magecraft, Shirou put his entire body in danger because he was doing it wrong, and although he didn't know that it was the wrong way to do it, he did realize that he was putting his life at risk whenever he did.

This selfless act of putting his life at limb for the sake of his ideal is the very nature of the sword. Shirou's element is sword. His unwavering determination, the balancing act with the magecraft, and the embodiment of his "self" in said magecraft ultimately allowed him to develop a Reality Marble without him even realizing it.
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>>124929115
>that wouldn't make one develop anything other than the greatest Reinforcement mage in the world

You can train at something for years, and a genius might walk in and instantly do it better in magecraft terms. Even if he was doing it right and this is all he did, he wouldn't be the best most likely.

Although what you're stating had very little to do with why he developed the reality marble perhaps.

Reality marble; he lived as a certain way, all things of him were that way, he knew who he was, had a strong ego, some circuits, and everything about him followed a certain truth without question. He lived as a sword, had potential for this, and a strong ego, therefore a sapling became a budding tree.

Any magus can develop a reality marble it seems, but it usually takes a few hundred years to get it down. It's noted rather a few DAA tend to have them. DAA after they've lived long enough, they typically live in a certain way with everything they are being geared towards that path, thus they live "as that thing" yet they still have a strong ego and etc. All the pieces just sort of line up naturally with enough time, or by sheer coincidence they lined up here in a speed run version.

Sacchin also developed a reality marble that encapsulated her way of life. Loss without gain, an unlucky sort of person. You could say her high potential also speed ran it, but she also lived as that thing entirely even if just by chance, as everything she ever did was lose without much meaning behind it. Lot of the freaks tend to develop them by chance because the right things line up.

His training in the shed probably didn't account for too much
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>>124929050
>>124929077
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>>124928678
Combo?
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>>124928840

>>124929115
Yeah, this is why it's Tiphareth as fuck.

The Tree of Life is just a map of self-development (and structure of the World, since they are symetric, As Above, so Below)

The core experience that Tiphareth refers to, is the Beauty of the Realization of the Self.

Most people who seek for that actually went through some kind of ego-death, akin to Shirou's Fire, in order to get rid or at least lessen the ego and see beyond. Drugs, hypnosis, ceremonies, meditation, actual accidental trauma... Basically deconditioning, undoing yourself. (Solve in alchemical terms)

Then comes Coagula, that is, remaking yourself as aligned to your True Will.
That is, to understand who you truly are, beyond the social conditioning that's a product of you existing in a certain place and time. So, the Timeless you. The Archetype of Yourself.

So basically, Shirou suffered an ego death via trauma early on in a way he never could reform it again. Then he slowly became aligned to his own nature, his Origin, Sword.
A Reality Marble is basically an outward expression of this core being.
His "It wasn't a mistake!" is him realising the Beauty in himself.

Thanks Nasu for making my occult boner so hard
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>>124925320
I am surprised that they actually expanded the fight rather than just follow the manga.

Actually all the fights in that arc were animated well
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>>124926765
What the fuck is wrong with the camera, is the cameraman drunk?
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>"See, it's easy. Ciel, you're pretty stupid to feel like you're insured by doing something anyone can do. What are you thinking, trying to go against me with just one act of love?"

Why does Arcueid have such an extremely casual attitude towards physical intimacy with others?
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It's out.
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>>124929959
It's just putting your thing in someone elses thing and going "Haa haa" for awhile. Probably anyone can do that much.

For a vampire it must be such a strange yet quaint concept.

Like how people view flowers having sex as just "Oh, alright".
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>>124930036
>For a vampire it must be such a strange yet quaint concept.

Someone didn't read Tsukihime.
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Why did Shirou fall into Archer class when he already left archery and loved sword so much?
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>>124930169
>Why did Shirou fall into Archer class

you realize heroes can fall into multiple classes, right? He could be a saber, probably assassin too.
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>>124930169
Because Nasu willed it.
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>>124930064
She goes "Shiki, I've never known a vampire to kiss before" right before they have sex when they end up making out. The more you consider it the more you realize how distant the concept is from her race, like a lower life forms breeding method that she's heard about in theory.

She's heard the concepts, but they are strange and quaint to her entirely. That's not how vampires or true ancestors reproduce so much, but technically she has all the parts to make it happen. It's entirely a foreign concept to her that she knows about until it happens. First thing anyone does when they don't understand another point in Type Moon threads is go "You just didn't read it, only I read it".

How often do you think she's had sex before this if you think it's not strange or quaint to her? It's not even anything she's considered before, it's just how the ants breed to her, in the sense that it's just how this species you're surrounded by and were designed to look like do it, but you're something else entirely and above them. You've heard it in passing, you're briefed on the concept, maybe it doesn't mean much to you unless the situation sort of leads to it meaning something as you fall in love with one, since otherwise its just "That thing these creatures do".
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>>124930169
Because he's a better archer than he is a swordsman. He's literally a godlike archer even in highschool. I actually can't believe Nasu never had him project a bow.
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Ciel has a scene where the design team basically admits that Ciel isn't worth the time to create anything for. That's not fanwank... that's just suffering.

The most development Ciel gets in KT is when she confronts her nightmare with Shiki. That scene made me remember that, hey, Ciel actually has a backstory, and her route was kind of interesting, too. Ciel's route is the one I always remember the least about, and that makes me sad.

Kohaku gets tons of side stuff. Akiha gets her own continuation of her path. Hisui gets her picnic with Shiki. Arc gets to be Arc.

Ciel gets... a Messian curry scene, one Hajime no Ippo reference with Arc as the primary lead, and is eaten by her worst nightmare.

Being Ciel is suffering.
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>>124930169
Because Zen archery philosophy is all about removing yourself, and Shirou has no self, filthy secondary Frodo-kun
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>>124930359
Shirou should have removed himself from the series.
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>>124930297
No on Saber. You need good stats or hax like Nero to qualify. Yes on Assassin if that card game is to be believed. Hopefully Grand Order lists all possible classes even if they don't get made.
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>>124930336
>I actually can't believe Nasu never had him project a bow.

He did it like four times, damn you're stupid. They even have a data-book entry about the time he did it in Fate route against Berserker.
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>>124923411
So.. not even worth 1/10, huh?
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>>124930445
I saw scans with EMIYA's Saber stats yesterday
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>>124930492
You probably saw the scan for the base Servant container stats.
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