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>>124811392 I told you I am evil Next is finally UBW

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>>124811392
I told you I am evil


Next is finally UBW
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So, was the sword rain good?
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>>124825497
Good riddance to that evil witch.
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>>124825496
Not really, Saber vs Zero Lancer was really fucking good. Too bad Urobutcher decided to only do that fight with so much detail, until Kirei vs Kerry.
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RIP Castah-san
She was evil
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>>124825549
It was actually pretty bad honestly, didnt have the same impact as the VN, i really missed the sound
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>Saber keeping ponytail
Saguga Ufotable.
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>>124825563
The effects animation in Saber vs Diarmuid were great, but UBW had better scenes from the same animator who did that fight anyway. Hell, he just did storyboards and animated Gae Bolg for the latest episode.
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>>124825497
Burn the witch!
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>>124825634
I'm not talking about animation. I'm talking about choreography and content of the fight.
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>>124825632
I fucking love it!
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>>124825497
wat a qt3.14
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Reminder that Rin loves Archer and not Shirou and only took him because he is the closest she can get.
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When subs
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>>124825497
Why does everything cause explosions?
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>>124825708
That's completely wrong though. She's been interested in Shirou since before she even met Archer.
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>>124825708
Who wouldn't prefer the guido red man?
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>>124825663
Actually it's quite ironic that my country had this festival exactly two days ago.
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>>124825727
Broken Phantasm.
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>>124825563
>>124825677
:Too bad Urobutcher decided to only do that fight with so much detail, until Kirei vs Kerry.
>Kirei vs Kerry.
>I'm talking about choreography
Is this supposed to be a joke?
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>>124825752
Red man a shit
a shiiiit
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>>124825677
The choreography in F/Z's fights weren't particularly elaborate either. Speed that servants moved during combat sure have changed though, so I suppose you prefer how F/Z did it?
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So how long until subs, approximately? I'm usually not awake at this hour, so am clueless.
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>>124825825
A little over an hour.
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>>124825563
UBW had good fight scenes in the beginning, but as of late the Gil vs Berserker sucked. It felt empty and boring.
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>>124825825
Don't bother watching, the episode was trash.
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>>124825838
Gil vs Berserker was barely a fight in the novel.
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>>124825708
>No NTR doujins where Rin makes a pact with Archer at the end of UBW and he has to fuck her for mana transfer purposes, making her have the time of her live and say that she enjoys Archer's dick more than Shirou.
Suffering.
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>>124825584
I'm pretty sure Saber's ass wasn't this fat
Did Caster feed her something?
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Anyone got webms of the episode?
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>>124825840
How so?
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>>124825797
>Speed that servants moved during combat sure have changed though

I actually prefer Zero servant speeds, since when they move around at woah supersonic speeds! it only makes it more retarded when they lose to high schoolers.
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>>124825878
Reminder that Archer goes back to being a janitor while Shirou fucks that pussy for the rest of his life.
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>>124825879
Semen. Specifically, mine.
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you know that feeling when something terrible is about to happen and there's nothing you can do to stop it? ;_;
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>>124825942
In all honestly it needed more JETS if anything.
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bretty gud
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>>124825309
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>>124825942

Zero was superior in every way. Combat was actually about skill instead of beamspams and forcefields. The very first fight(saber vs lancer) was just perfect. Last ep of UBW on the other hand... i literally facepalmed when archer and lancer naruto runned face first at each other.
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Instead of trying to adapt everything, Miura should just put the effort on the cool fight scenes like Aoki did in Zero.
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>>124825995
>Raping the maids
Don't do it nigga
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>>124825843
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_minor_characters#Nagato_Tohsaka

No, the family has always been a Martial Arts family and Nagato always believed they could be used as a path to the root.

>inb4 citing the tm wiki = lulz
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Fate/Zero is clearly superior due to the fact it has JETS in it.
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>>124826066
>Combat was actually about skill instead of beamspams and forcefields.
And that's exactly what fight between Servants aren't suppposed to be, that's why they changed it.

Servants are superhumans, they can't fight that slow like they did in Zero.
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>Gae Bolg scene
>I am the bone of my sword
>happening
best scene for now
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>>124826001
>>124826135
If you're going to try to make this "a thing", at least use higher quality images.
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>>124825843
>bajiquan
>>124826124
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>>124826137
It was still more entertaining than watching them fly across the screen with lazers and shit. I'm saying this as someone who fucking loved the game and played it in 2009. Then again, they're trying to emulate the VN as much as they can so I can't really complain.
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>>124826135
>>124826001
>Imgur filename
>"quickmeme" caption
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>>124826105

Yeah, take the superior Akiha route.
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Why does no one do webms anymore?
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>>124826220
Cooking Priest, back to MAL.
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>>124826210
Looks like bajiquan alright.
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>>124825942
>it only makes it more retarded when they lose to high schoolers.
Bait.
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>>124826105
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>>124826220
You reek of secondary, actually.
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>>124826137

Yeah, I guess I just hate what Fate really is which is an inconsistent batshit retarded powerlevel dickmeasuring contest. I just want more Zero.
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>>124826220
Wait, are you talking about Zero with the flying and lasers? Because, you know, there was literally an aerial dogfight in Zero (see >>124826135 )
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who /cookingpriest/ here? Just finished jerking off to his latest posts
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>>124826272
Exactly. Even legsweep > right to left motion is.

I don't get the open hands for non-palm hits, though.
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>>124825878
>he has to fuck her for mana transfer purposes
Why exactly did it have to be semen again? I thought other bodily fluids work too?
And will the contract even work since the grail is gone?
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>>124826304
People who post shit like this make me wish a little bit that Zero wasn't made at all.
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>>124826304
Nah, it isn't. Fights in F/SN are just metaphors for idealogical conflict, it's more about the character than the strategy.

If you want more F/Z watch Hunter x Hunter or any other show that does tactics 10x better
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>>124826317
Yes, I'm talking about Fate/Zero. There was that awful matrix fight right at the end that was so weird.
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>>124826298

I don't understand this change of mood. Before Zero anime everyone that didn't like Zero first was a secondary and now that the anime of it is over everyone that loves Zero is a secondary.
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>>124826329
That looks like the first fighting pose we saw Goku take in his first world martial arts tournament. And his opponent was like "wow, that's a super stupid stance, but I can tell he's got no openings because he's so fucking badass".
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>>124826329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN-82h6p4Yw

Looks like it's part of one of the forms.
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>>124826319
>cookingpriest
Who?
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>>124826319
wat
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>>124826105
You lost me.
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>>124826372
That was specifically part of the narrative. Kerry has time manipulation magic, but it's localized to his body. Meaning he can either move and react superfast, or he can slow himself down a bunch so he doesn't appear to be alive (a seemingly pretty useless ability, except that he uses it to hide from Kayneth's mercury sex toy).
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>>124826373
The people who are overly vocal about loving Zero usually haven't read the Zero LN or Stay Night VN.
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>>124826374
That was right after the palm hit. Rin didn't show a "stance" since she just ran out and did the first hit.

>>124826389
I am aware. I meant AS she was doing the elbow hit they should not have been opened.
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>>124826373
Because Zero caught on into the mainstream. Now this isn't inherently a problem, but there are people who literally only care about Zero, and whine when UBW, or anything else Type Moon, isn't the same as it.
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>>124826355
Saber was still with them in the UBW good ending, so I guess it still works.
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>>124826220
>who fucking loved the game and played it in 2009
>not playing it on release date in 2004
Secondary please.
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>>124826329
One of the forms.
Looks like a slamming move, both hands are supposed to sort of 'unfurl' onto the opponent and the open palm just maximizes the energy transfer from the unfurling.
The other hand is mostly for balance.
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>>124826365
>Hunter x Hunter
Edgy kids don't like HxH
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>>124825744
Only because she was worried about her sister, and he was the only thing in Sakuras life that made her happy.
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>>124826467
How new are you, kid?
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>>124826304
Me too. I wouldn't have bothered with this crap if it wasn't for Zero.
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>>124826469
He meant in this >>124826210 hit.
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>>124826466
Did they ever end up going to London in the Good Ending?
I can't imagine what Saber would say if she saw England today.
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>>124826512
EoP scum please.
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>>124826512
>he didn't play F/SN on release date

fuck off EOP
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>>124826317

That was an exception I could accept since they were using machines.
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>>124826490
Rin watched the high jump too, dude.

And as soon as Shirou and Rin start to get to know each other she begins to like him. Rin does care about Archer, but she clearly loves Shirou in UBW.
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Smug.
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Type-Moon is no different than Bleach/Naruto when it comes to broken power levels being the main course of the day. Remove the porn in Fate and it's the same as your average Shonen Jump series.

The only thing worse is when people think Fate/stay night is better than Bleach/Naruto just because it has "mature" content like Shirou jackhammering Rin. Well, it isn't.
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>>124826551
>>124826553

epic meme bros
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>>124826592
>what a cute little dick
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Why did archer say trace on?
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>>124826534
That, uh, looks like a drawing error for an leg sweep->elbow strike->lower fist strike or midway through Testuzankou (shoulder / elbow slamming move).
I haven't watched this episode yet, I'm waiting for subs
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>>124826541
No, Rin basically had zero magical capacity available since she was supporting Saber. She specifically tells (or implies, but to anyone not as dense as Shirou it's very clear) Shirou that she actually doesn't have quite enough and will need regular dickings to make up the difference. And the clocktower would have loved to basically dissect anyone who has a goddamn heroic spirit as a familiar. And sex toy.
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My issue is that when each of the Servants are separately portrayed with their Masters, there is a good balance in terms of drama and also how believable it is. When paired against each other, it becomes much more like a typical anime or videogame, and loses some of the unique qualities the show has. This is fine for action sequences, especially when they're supposed to be cool and exciting instead of dramatic and classy, but I just hope it's not something that is too frequent.
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>>124826592
Why is she so smug when half of her jaw is missing?
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>>124826461
>but there are people who literally only care about Zero, and whine when UBW, or anything else Type Moon, isn't the same as it.

This was the case before the anime. I remember people spamming shit about Zero's superiority back then also and fuck was everyone hyped for the anime.
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>>124825497
Is Archer Shirou's true father?
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>>124826628
Archer is Shirou from the future.
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>>124826654
This is copypasta.
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My dick
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>>124826066
I can admit the writing is a bit silly at time, but the story has gotten pretty interesting and the animation is great. Certainly more cliche than Fate/Zero but I'm eager to see where they go with it.
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>>124825774
Read the LN. In the anime it was handled badly, but there's a reason everyone was hyped, and it disappointed so much.
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Fucking god dammit aniki...
How can Zero Lancer even stand a chance against him?
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>>124826541
They most likely did. The only ones saying the didn't is those that hate the Good ending and say that it is bullshit Saber stayed when the only bullshit is that she choose not to in the True end.
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>no Rho Aias webm with sound
Sasuga
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>>124826541
There's is a chance.
Don't listen to this guy he is talking out of his ass>>124826653
They don't dissect people for having magic that's possible.
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>>124826698
Why does that Archer have such stonking great tits?
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>>124826724
Cu will BTFO Diarmuid in ten seconds.
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>>124826724
Nasu says Deermud beats Cu since he has that command spell on him. He probably wasn't counting Runes.
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>>124826705
I read the VN a little earlier and not much was different outside of small dialogue and scenes with Saber and jumbling up some of the scenes (kerry vs kiritsugu happening after rider vs gil for example)
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>>124826724
He can't.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dD3dz44Xf8
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>>124826724
Nobody can. Even Gilgamesh has trouble with Serious Cu.
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>>124826724
If nasu is writing even gilbert gottfried can defeat him given some bullshit circumstance
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>>124826705

I agree. The last fight was completely butchered. I was so hyped for it since they handled almost all the others so well, some better than the LN.

Also, where the fuck was my time alter emiya?
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>>124826724
Because Kayneth is a really good magus (no, seriously) and Kotomine sucks in that area, so Zero Lancer has somewhat better stats and prana support than F/SN Lancer
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>>124825942
The exact opposite also counts to Zero though, ESPECIALLY if you read the VN first

>Man, this servants aren't really that great at all
>why doesn't Kiritsugu just shoot them? They clearly aren't faster than bullets nor have the reactions to try to avoid.

F/SN ruins all of the fights in Zero for me because of that (except RiderXGilgamesh, which is more of symbolic fight than anything)
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>>124826802
>thinks Zero is a VN
lelz
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>>124826727
Kill yourself you illiterate fuck.
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>>124826824
>Cu fought Gil for 12 hours straight
>still loses because of bullshit
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>>124826877
I realized it was a typo, try to make your trolling relevant to the topic
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>>124826800
>Implying Runes can do much
Jesus christ Lancer fags are this delusional. The only time he uses Runes is to start a shitty fire.
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>>124826317
My youngfriend flag is tingling from this post, but you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Power levels are a poor plot device, and they're used in spades throughout TM storylines. That's all there is to it really.

Something like Fate is not better than Bleach or Naruto. The combat styles used may be different, yes, but the power levels are still the main, dull, and tired triggers that move the story foward. Character development is also kept to a minimum as well, just like in a shonen series. One again, the fighting is the main attraction in something like Bleach or Fate/stay night.
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>>124826918
yeah but what a fire am i rite
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>>124826918
At the same time the VN remarks that he could have been summoned as a particularly badass Caster. His Runes are actually not at full power because he's not a Caster. And Nasu says he could kill Berserker a few times because he could use his runes to up the rank of his attack.
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>>124826824
Shadow has less trouble digesting Cu than Gil, therefore Gil>Cu.
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>>124826782
Because the figure is of a female? They aren't based on characters.
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>>124826918
Fuck off secondary
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rawfags pls upload sound webms.
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>>124826983
>Character development is also kept to a minimum as well

Shirou is developed so much he literally has multiple alternate character arcs.
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>>124826989
Truly, the dust from it made Gil shiver.
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>>124827015
Give me a good bitrate and resolution and I will.
I suck at making webms.
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>>124826983
>trollypasta
Anyway, TM is never about power levels in actual practice. It's about conceptual compatibility and mismatches.
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>>124826918
I dunno man, runes can do literally anything as long as you have some setup time.
They're literally the buffs you see in MMO's / well skills from GW2
Give him some time for preparation and it's done.
Cu held off Gilgamesh, who must have gotten at least half-serious (opened all of GoB) after an hour at absolute most, for half a fucking day.
That's something nobody else can boast of except for Saber with Avalon (UBW Shirou never fought him when he was serious).
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>>124827007
Why the fuck would they use a female figure for an archer? Tits literally get in the way.
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>>124826983
>the power levels are still the main, dull, and tired triggers that move the story foward
Not really, no?
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>>124826653
>Implying any mage can touch Rin with a Heroic spirit by her side
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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I actually freaked out of this scene.
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How long have you losers been sitting in these threads talking about the same shit over and over again? Don't you ever get up and realize how much of a waste of time this stupid shit is?
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>>124827123
Shirou and Rin have to fuck constantly just to keep Saber around. Fighting might be a bit of an issue with burning mana.
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>>124827149
Welcome to /a/?
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>>124827123
I'm pretty sure she's not always right there with her. Every so often Rin opts not to have a threesome when fucking Shirou.
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>>124827149
Not really, it's a good way to kill time.
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>>124827149
Is a waste of time as much as any other anime retard.
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>>124826274
I dunno how that's supposed to be bait when it is a fact that they job to japanese teenagers and one school teacher
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>>124827108
Because the bow is traditionally the female's weapon, due to not being in the middle of a fight. It's retarded because a good bow needs super-lifting level strength but that's tradition. Assassin would have been a female figure too (probably) if it wasn't just a shadow with a skull on it.
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>>124827147
Based Eye of the Mind
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>>124827149
you what nigga?
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>>124827243
The fuck is that
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>>124827108

There's more than one way to hold a bow.
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>>124827149
A lot of these posters are neckbeards with no lives who will defend the shit out of this thing even though it isn't that amazing. I wouldn't defend it, but it's fun and also a great way to kill time.
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>>124827182
Well, alright. It just looks like you guys are always hostile, angry and attacking each other for having opinions and observations. It's concerning.
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>>124826868
>why didn't caster just buff herself?
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>>124827149
Everything anyone or anything does is a waste of time, I might as well waste it doing something I enjoy
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http://a.pomf.se/xphaaw.mp4
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>>124827172
She probably can't do an Excaliblast but I am sure Rin can absorb some jewels so Seibah can fight for a while. After all Saber is extremely mana efficient since she is not a traditional heroic spirit, as long as she doesn't use Excalibur.
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>>124827282
whatever you want it to be
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>>124827292
Having a wrong opinion is a death sentence on the internet. At least being anonymous we can survive to have opinions another day.
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Deen vs ufo soon?
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>>124827292
I see it's your first day here
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>>124827215
Yeah, because of when you think of, say, British longbowmen, or primitive people hunting game with a bow, you totally think of chicks.

Also, I fucking hate these "select the 2 <particular food items>" captchas. Most of that shit looks fucking disgusting. I suspect a lot of it is a picture of what their barf looked like.
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>>124827360
oh man.

This will be the most humiliating one yet, especially since the DEEN fight was a movie version.
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>>124827325
>Archer's bare arm
HF reference? Ufotable confirmed for bro.
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>>124827292
It's tough love anon.
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>>124827325
Based Abe.
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>>124827243

What the-
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Subs when?
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>>124827325
Archer really can't hang with true heroic spirits can he?
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>>124827325
Great scene, but Jesus they really tinted the screen a lot, didn't they? Can't wait for the BDs.
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>>124827371
No, it's the idea that if a girl is going to use a weapon it should be a bow.
Look man I'm just telling you how it could work. Notice how none of the others are female and one of them isn't even human while the other is arguably a zombie.
They probably wanted a female in there.
Also this was in the VN as I recall, the archer card has always been a [poorly drawn] female.
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>>124827473
It's currently 2:59 in Australia. I don't think UTW is going to be up for this just yet.
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ok wtf why does he have a wooden table on top of a stove is he fucking retaded?
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>>124827325
fucking amazing.

ufotable is god.
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>>124827292
I yell at people on the internet so I can lead a healthy well adjusted life in reality, and not go up to people randomly REEEEing and telling them they're disgusting normies.
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That's a really long leg you have there Lancer.
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>>124827514
>UTW
Sure, anon. I dont mean Crunchyroll at all.
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>>124827325
Reminded me of Neo putting up his hand and blocking the agents bullets.
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>>124827523
>doubting based kuzuki
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>>124827554
literally hitmonlee
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>>124827325
thanks anon you're best.
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>>124826423
when did Shiki first get his "look," Melty Blood? In the VN he's just a faceless MC for self-inserting.
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>>124827292
>Well, alright. It just looks like you guys are always hostile, angry and attacking each other for having opinions and observations
Fuck off, newshit.
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>>124827643
Tsukihime Plus Disc is where he got his face. Then in Kagetsu Tohya.
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>>124827325
>meanwhile in DEEN office
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/r/ Eye of the mind true sound webm if anyone is doing them.
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>>124827643
Kagestu Tohya / Melty Blood
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>>124827425
More like in the VN his arm was supposed to barely even be attached to this body any more. He's a lot less fucked up at the end of this exchange than he should be.
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>>124827147
What is it, the Holy Grail Limbo Competition?
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>>124827722
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>>124827286
more like /k/ goes shooting.
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>>124827762
To be fair, we ought to be comparing the Gae Bolg part.
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>>124827670
Found a video of you online F/ate/bro :)

http://youtu.be/CTOoYxOf92s
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>>124826724
I'm willing to bet that Karna would defeat both.
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>>124827006
Cu's already dead at that stage.The shadow consumed Gil whilst he was alive.
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>>124827798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyno281gvHw
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>>124827643
Plus-Disc, Alliance of Illusionary Eyes.
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>>124827812
Based Mark
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Late to the party, tell me they did this shit perfectly?
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>>124827295
Buffs don't help you if you are absolute shit at melee.
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>>124827214

>kuzuki
>one school teacher
>not in the top percentile of human beans
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>>124827643
In the Alliance of Illusionary Eyes short story, which played with it by having Fake Shiki tricking people into thinking he was the real shiki (it worked because at that time no one knew how he really looked like b/c faceless protagonist).
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>>124827894
Caster turned out to be more short, so not 10/10.
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>>124826824
Cu was tailored to stall against Gil, who still got out unscathed somehow.
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>>124827812
>I don't like you
Lost my shit.
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Did Kuzuki have a huge sword on his back when he died like in the UBW movie?
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>>124827325
>>124827744
>More like in the VN his arm was supposed to barely even be attached to this body any more. He's a lot less fucked up at the end of this exchange than he should be.

this but i dont think they gonna fix this in the BD version
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>>124827933
She could have buffed her defense.
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>>124826824
Plenty of Servants stand a chance against Cu.
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>>124827981
Nope, because that didn't happen in the VN.
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Loved all the callbacks to Fate/Zero in the episode today, cant wait until Kotomine shows up again.
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>>124827812
"Your smile is fucking offensive"
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>>124825708
>Reminder that Rin loves Archer and not Shirou and only took him because he is the closest she can get.

>Underestimating the power of the high jump bar

Come on, everybody knows that no girl can resist the high jump.
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>>124826824
Cu only lost because Gil suddenly used Caladbolg proto. I mean, fighting for 12 hours come on.
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TM makes a habit of leaving their anime viewers in the dark. Remember their message when Fate/stay night 2006 was done airing?

>"PLEASE PLAY THE GAME IF YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AND TO GET THE FULL EXPERIENCE."

Poor adaptations are poor. Type Moon stuff just doesn't work in anime or manga form.
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If Shirou slept with Archer, who would dominate?
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>>124828077
Caladbolg doesn't help Gil at all.
He probably pulled EA after getting mad enough
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>>124827945
There are two other humans in the same grail war that could wreck his shit.
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>>124827894
Sorry, anon, but they screwed up this scene.
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>>124828002
I somehow doubt she knows enough about melee to buff her defense in the right places at the right time.
Remember the girl's essentially a sheltered princess, and once she had problems she'd just spam beams while hiding behind Jason.
Someone getting close is unprecedented and buffing the whole body probably means the buff can't be that strong.
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>>124827523
What is a Kotatsu?
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>>124828092
I like to think that the Tsukihime manga worked as an adaptation, it got most of what it wanted to tell out without losing the readers.
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>>124827812
>I don't like you
Lost.
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Does Cu's protection against arrows count Gate of Babylon's NPs?

I get the feeling it took Gil so long because he actually had to swing a weapon.
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>>124828111
If Gil pulled out Clarent prototype on Saber, would she lose or win?
Basically if you pull out what killed the hero in their own legend, would it have a bonus or a penalty [because they remember it]?
>>124828155
Well, not that.
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>>124828103
yes
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>>124828002
She was probably putting all that focus into buffing Kuzuki and never considered finding herself in a melee scrap.
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>>124828054

Oops, meant for >>124826490
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>>124828174
Probably, but he'd eventually become a pincushion over time. It's not that good. BC is the reason he was stated to have fought Gil for so long. He was probably quite torn up before his death.
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>>124828183
Would Gil even be able to use it right? Aside from Enkidu & Ea. Gil hasn't mastered using any of his numerous NPs.
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>>124828162
The manga has none of the character development that made Tsukihime so interesting. Combine that with shoddy art and shonen fighting scenes that last nearly entire volumes, and you got a recipe for failure.
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>>124828174
>implying Gil could beat Cu in a melee fight
>implying it wasnt explictily told what happened
Enkidu you goofus. Cu has a rank divinity
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>>124828174
>Does Cu's protection against arrows count Gate of Babylon's NPs?
Yes
>>124828183
>Basically if you pull out what killed the hero in their own legend, would it have a bonus or a penalty
You get a bonus.
But Caladbolg was never used against Cu.
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>>124828126
So she knows how to buff Kuzuki at the right places and the right time but not give herself a little defense?
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well no wonder caster lost her shit when she got hit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iscP8gase1Q
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>>124828111
>Caladbolg doesn't help Gil at all.
Cu has a geas that forces him to lose if he fights against Caladbolg.
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>>124827894
The death could've been way better, unfortunately. Rest of the episode was great though.
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>>124828243
damn that Gay Bulge
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>>124827605
My sides...
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>>124828302
Only for ulster born IIRC. Gil should have other weapons Cu is weak against though.
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>>124828302
Doesn't that only count if the user is Ulster born?
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>>124828286
The Grandmaster sure was a visually impressive film.
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>>124828174
Maybe. I have the feeling that that might be it (and Gil is shit at using weapons besides Ea, Enkidu, and probably those 'sixty-stone daggers' or whatever he used in the actual legend.
>>124828239
Can he actually use the NP itself is the question. If he pulls out Vajra can he launch it? If he pulls Mjollnir can he spam thunderbolts? Or are they just really strong hammers?
Hell if he pulls out a passive weapon NP like the yellow spear Gae Buidhe or whatever does it work?
>>124828257
She buffed Kuzuki's legs and fists and that's it. He's fast and shit and knows how to fight in the first place, all he needs is speed up and attack up. His martial art works in that you can't hit him, because if you can then you've figured him out and if you've figured him out then he's already lost.
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What would happen if Lancer used Gae Bolg against Gilgamesh?
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>>124827812
Silly Mark
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Could Morgan Le Fay or Nimue/Lady of the Lake be summoned as a Caster?
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>>124828239
The only thing Gil could reasonably do against Saber without going full Ea is pull out a dragon slaying weapon.
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>>124828381
He would injure him, but probably not fatally, Gil has lots of luck
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>>124828381
The thrown version?
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>>124828376
I have yet to figure out how Gilgamesh has the Gungnir & Mjollnir anyways.
>>124828388
If UBW Shirou or Archer can project Avalon, could they take down Gil with Ea?
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>>124828381
1 hit K.O on Gil if his Master was Rin.
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>>124828381
Gil pulls a plot device out of his ass or dies.
Depends entirely on what the plot demands.
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>>124828387
>Morgan Le Fay
Why not.
>>124828387
>Nimue/Lady of the Lake
Gaia's bitch, no.
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>>124826397
the malfaggot who goes muh miura ruined everything in every thread
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>>124828425
>Gil has lots of luck
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>>124827812
Mark would have wrecked that faggots shit.
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>>124828388
Or spam weapons like no tomorrow assuming no Avalon which is plot-device level of hax.
Apparently he has god-tier weapons and armor in there considering he pulled the Mask of Hades out in Prisma.
>>124828462
Gungnir seems to be the prototype for basically all the northern europe spears, makes sense as the ability of Gungnir is "Never Ever Miss" which is essentially Gae Bolg.
The real question is who the fuck held Gungnir seeing as Gods are apparently not heroes. Mjollnir / Gungnir / some of the other things he has are God-weapons.
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>>124828387
Yes
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>>124827812
Mark is the mod trying to get the hotheads outta here.
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>>124828387
I'M GOING TO MARRY TAMAMO!!!!!!
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>>124828387
No, because they are not dead.
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>>124828462
>I have yet to figure out how Gilgamesh has the Gungnir & Mjollnir anyways.
Because fuck you thats why
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>>124828548
Gods are a inventions of humans, so Gil has his weapons too.
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>>124827812
Holy shit that noise, it's actually real.
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>>124828589
>marry the fox who bedded an absurd number of people and killed even more
Alternatively,
>marry brother-complex Amaterasu the Sun Goddess
Keep
Dreaming
Kiddo

Not srs
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>>124825632
Thanks Takeuchi
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>>124828355
>Gil is the prototype for Ulster
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>>124828625
That sounds ridiculous, why doesn't he pull out the Bolt of Zeus on Heracles to one-shot the fucker?
He's even more overpowered than I thought if he just has God stuff under his belt too.
If he uses Ea outside of an RM, would it have an effect similar to ORT's sphere?
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>>124828625
But Gil is half God, or was it 2/3 God?

In anycase if Gods are a human invention then is not 2/3 of gil an invention?
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>>124828381
god damn it now i really want to see fate route lancer vs gil fight animated by ufotable

Archer vs Berserker and Rider vs Saber as well

come the fuck on TM, make it happen
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>>124828725
Not even Gil knows what he has, that's why he's always spamming shit
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>>124828548
Actually, I recall the VN indicating that he could still just spam against Avalon endlessly and he'd come out the victor. Saber knew she couldn't make any attacks while Avalon was up, and she couldn't drop it until there was a break in his attacks. He could just do an endless torrent on her and wait for her to run out of prana.
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>>124828714
That's stupid, if he's the prototype human then everyone should lose immediately.
>Archer, you've lost
>What why
>I am TOHSAKA

>Tohsaka you've lost
>I'm the banker and your loan is due
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>>124827147
>dat supersonic shockwave
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Could Beowulf be summoned as a Servant?
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>>124828725
He has some weapons owned by gods. Who knows how deep that rabbit hole goes.
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>>124828786
We will get Saber Alter vs Rider and Berserker vs Archer 's arm in HF
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>>124828786
Once again Miura disapoints us all.
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>>124828816
Yes.
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>>124828776
2/3 God. Some weird Babylonian thing where there are three components of humanity vs. divinity: the mother, the father, and the womb. Since he was born by a female deity, rather than sired by a male one, he was 2/3.
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>>124828816
No he dosen't fit any of the classes
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>imagine you're super powerful edgy King of NEET without social skills and friends
>forced to fight against REAL MAN for 12 hours
>yfw he plays for time
>yfw he's evasion master
>yfw he drinks estus for HP
>yfw he insults you for 12 hours
>yfw you can't kill him fast
Worst day in Gil life
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>>124828776
The mesopotamic gods are the original gods. Every god since the creation of Gilgamesh are inventions of humans. ... Except the Hindu gods, I suppose.
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>>124828832
Does Gil hypothetically have weapons from alternate universes? What if he has the Master Sword in there?
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>>124828865
They'll just make a new class for him, or make him Berserker.
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>>124828791
He needs to hire a secretary or some shit then. Imagine just spamming Sword of Mars / Kusanagi / Lance of Longinus / Mjollnir.
>>124828832
>I have meta-weapons
>Here is the reset button
>Here is the author's pen
>Here is the VN itself
>>124828878
What if he has Kirby in there.
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>>124828904
>Kirby
But anon, that is Ea.
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>>124828839

>we will see NLBW
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>>124828903
I remember Gil has his own class in Extra & Karna was able to be renamed "Launcher".

What would a "Beowulf" class look like?
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If you were in charge of making a balance patch for the Holy Grail War, what would you change?
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>>124828241
>shoddy art
No. If you want a shit manga adaptation, just look at Fate.
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>>124828963
Delete Gil
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>>124828878
Gil's vault contains the spirit of human invention and exploration. So, yes, he totally has the master sword in there. And gunblades. And keyblades.
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>>124828946
>Kirby is a walking Ea
What's Metaknight then?
Can he bring out a warpstar?
Can he bring out Mario and kill Saber by having him step on her lightly?
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>>124828876
There are recrods of civilizations before Third Dynasty of Ur, we just don't know their religion. Hell I'm pretty sure that Indus Valley Civilization came before Mesopotamia civilizations.
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>>124828951
Beast. Just beast.
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>>124827236
>I see what you did there
Actualy he didn't
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>>124828592
No, Morgan should be dead. Not sure about Lady of the Lake since she technically dies, but there's something about reincarnation and whatnot.
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>>124828989
I don't know what you're talking about.
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>>124828989
UGUUU
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>Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 17 [720p]
It's out.
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>>124828876
I'm pretty sure most folk religions aren't influenced by Mesopotamia.
>>124829051
>Lancer being serious outstrips True Eye of the Mind
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>>124829028
But what about those which aren't made from humans?

The "Hylians" aren't technically human, there are barely any humans in the Kirby games, etc.
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>>124829067
Saber looks like a dude
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>>124829029
>Gilgamesh has the Meta Knight of SSBB in the Gate
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>>124829069
I'm not sure what your problem is.
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>>124829092
I don't see it on Nyaa at least.
>>124829131
Maybe Gilgamesh has nepnep in there too.
Maybe he has the King's Pudding and can make Saber stop fighting just by the pudding.
>Gilgamesh has Demonbane in his vault
>He also has Myougi and Featherine
>Gilgamesh > everything confirmed
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>>124829101
It doesnt matter. The Mesopotamic gods are Gods of Gaia, the rest, Gods of Alaya. Gilgamesh was created to serve as a bridge between Alaya and Gaia, just like Arcueid when Crimson Moon.
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>>124829129
Well she is a king with an unsightly body, so that fits
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>>124829115
The "Hylians" were created by humans you numbnoid.
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>>124829174
Can Archer project Demonbane?
>Broken Phantasm Demonbane
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>>124829092
>download speed .4 kb/s
woooo servant speed
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>>124829195
Not unsightly, just very muscular body.
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>>124829251
She had no such thing. She just had body image issues. She'd always been a dainty little ditz, she just assumed she must be a beefcake because she did everything the beefy dudes were doing.
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>>124829251
>that
>muscular
She's more DYEL than ottermode
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>>124829192
That doesn't make sense.
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>>124828947
Is this like realta nua or something? Why does it look so much more "dynamic" than what I remember of F/SN?
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>>124829203
But what about in-universe? Sure, they're fictional video game characters but not within their universes.

Technically everything in Fate is created or influenced by tales told by humans. Does this mean that the Gate of Babylon has another Gilgamesh? I don't mean the original myth's Gil, I mean Fate-Gil.
>>124829240
Likely only the original.
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>>124829131
Now that I think about it, is Pestilence a 'Hero' or a 'Phantasm'?
He's a human idea but he got summoned.
Pestilence is the most broken spirit I've seen so far, the only one more broken would be Death or some shit.
>I'm sickness
>you're sick
>now you're dead
>>124829240
No because Archer can't trace it because he doesn't read enough mango / watch enough animu / read enough ln-vn stuff.
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>>124829246
>downloading from torrent
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>>124829349
I swear, I used to be a non-pleb-tier downloader, but I had a falling out and couldn't download anime for a long time.
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>>124829320
Fate/stay night Réalta Nua
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>>124829324
>because he doesn't read enough mango / watch enough animu / read enough ln-vn stuff.
>Implying
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>>124829394
Just because I pity you

http://s02.alldebrid.com/dl/hd4o3te52c/[HorribleSubs]%20Fate%20Stay%20Night%20-%20Unlimited%20Blade%20Works%20-%2017%20[720p].mkv
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>>124829399
I'm pretty sure that's how it was in the original too.
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>>124829324
It's just the concept of disease shoved into a Servant container and given the moniker of Pale Rider. FHGW is weird like that.
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>>124829192
Divine Spirits are independent of Gaia though. They all are that of humanity.
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>>124829394
>problems with torrent speed
first day in internet
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>>124829466
So it's the most overpowered thing there?
Everyone else summoned is human in nature besides Enkidu who's literally a pile of clay.
He can make people supersick for keks.
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>>124829504
No, it's not that, I'm just not connected to anyone who's not an asshat leecher. I know most of you faglords have your upload speeds throttled, and you're the ones I keep connecting to.
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>>124829429
>nippleless
Why?
I mean I don't really mind but Takeuchi has consistently failed to draw Male nipples.
Is he a grill who has never seen a guy topless before?
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>>124829510
We don't really know how it works yet. It scares of Enkidu and Gil isn't mentioned to have fought it in summaries, so it may be Gil tier. I'm guessing EX rank AGI and NP.
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>>124829439
>blocked
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>>124829543
I don't, but my upload is slow.
I get to 150 k upload maximum no matter what I do.
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>>124829602
Really? It worked for a friend of mine
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>>124829642
Didn't for me. I remembered I still had a working installation of irc and am getting it through there now, instead.
>>
Could different versions (not classes) of the same person be summoned? I remember Extra Vlad being very different from Apocrypha Vlad.
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>>124829700
Try to slap it directly through DownThemAll
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>>124829703
In the third holy grail war both the Edefelt sisters participated and each summoned the same Saber, but with different aspects of their personality emphasized.
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>>124829703
In the same grail war you mean?

Li Shuwen can be summoned as Old Man Lancer and Young Man Assassin
>>
Fate/Zero was way better. Why didn't they just continue that story?
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>>124829550
It's not just Takeuchi but Japan in general thing.
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>>124829803
Meme harder.
>>
I have realy high hopes for GO Assassin.

>誠実で理性的な善人。妙に自信なさげに振る舞う。自分の心の中に潜む「悪」に苦悩し、立ち向かおうとする悩 める英霊。
>An honest and rational good person. Behaves with a strange lack of self-confidence. A troubled Heroic Spirit that is distressed by the "evil" that lurks inside his heart and tries to fight against it.
Yep it's Dr. Jekyll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1RfgQjC9uA
>>
>That little bit of EMIYA that played here

Hype as fuck/10
>>
How the fuck can you stop Gil.

I seriously can't think of any servant stronger. Archer can make weapons out of thin air so he's probably the closest to an equal.
>>
>>124829829
I was under the impression that Dr. Jekyll was less bishounen, but I guess I'll just go with it.
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So, Shirou is faster than Herakles and can pull a surprise attack on Gil but Herakles can't?
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>>124829829
Sounds like Zero Kirei to be honest.
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>>124829874
Japanese ginger
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They actually replaced "Protector" with "Guardian".

Looks like the mail I sent to Aniplex quoting many sources on their mistake paid off.
>>
>>124829878
Well you have filter out the japanese and it fits.
>>124829829
Is that just one singer?
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>>124829933
>This is what delusional retards actually believe
you have no influence or worth, you're just a random nobody NEET on 4chan
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>>124829920
Heracles is being retarded due to being Berserker.
Non-Berserker Herakles might not be able to kill full-powered Gil but would probably give him a good fight.
Hydra Venom hella OP.
That being said, is the Nimean Lion's skin included in God Hand or not?
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>>124829944
>Is that just one singer?
Yes it's the hardest part in that musical
>>
>>124829933
Where?
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>>124829703
>Avalon
>Rhowhatever
>chunk of Round Table with Master being super compatible with Arturia
We have three King Arthurs now, four more to go.
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>>124829920
Illya saved Shirou in this fight.
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>>124829766
>>124829768

I'm wondering this because I'm thinking of how the Arthurian legends were constantly modified. From "Who's Arthur's best Knight" to each knight's personality, it was Wikipedia before the internet.

I think Gwalchmei would make an amazing Rider. It's just I'm unsure if he can be summoned.
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>>124829957
Who cares man, you don't have to be an asshole.
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>>124829957
You don't need to be mean...
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>>124830012
>Illya distracts Berserker in his fight with Gil and Shirou
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>>124829957
You are very rude.
>>
I heard Charlemagne was going to be summoned as a Rider or something.
What would his NP's be? He famous more for being first HRE I thought.
Something something burning the world tree?
Something something Twelve Paladins?
Something something Lombard Princess / Mom killed my otouto?
What's applicable for him?
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>>124830122
>>124830056
>>124830035
tough love. it's important not to allow delusions to fester
>>
>>124829979
>That being said, is the Nimean Lion's skin included in God Hand or not?
No. Think for a minute. Where was the skin before Herakles started to wear it?
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why didnt medea use a command spell on archer?
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>>124830151
Wow, you just inspired me to be more normal, thank you based anon.
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Ohhh, people like lancer because he's an OP gary stu
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>>124830207
Protecting his junk?

This logic doesn't stop Medea from having the golden fleece. It sure ain't stopping mother fucking Hercules.
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When did Archer ever get to fight against Gungnir?
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>>124830276
>OP gary stu
The only Lancer that can be considered absolutely OP is Karna.
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>>124830323
He was summoned in Ragnarok.
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>>124830299
>Protecting his junk?
It was on the fucking lion!
Herakles was the one who skinned it! That was Herakles' first labour.
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>>124830207
>>124830425
But then is Heracles just not wearing the Lion or something?
What would wearing it do?
Make him literally invincible?
I meant this because God Hand negates weak attacks.
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where the FUCK is my archer backstory episode
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Why doesn't Lancer just cut Gilgamesh's arm off?
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>>124830585
What?
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Anyone made a version comparison webm yet?
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>Put all budget into Lancer Archer fights
Well done UFO
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Rho Aias was perfect.
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>>124830908
Rho Aias actually looked like a shield in this version instead of some abstract flower.
I think it was much better done than in the VN.
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>Saber
>Strongest servant
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How does Caster take Shirou's command seals from him at the end of S1? I know it was Rule Breaker but didn't he already use all 3 of his seals?
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>>124831021
Come on, no bully. Kuzuki wasn't Caster-boosted at that point.
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>dat GaeBolg returning to Lancer
>dat satisfying metallic sound as he puts it on the ground

10/10
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>>124831024
he had one left
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>>124831024
>but didn't he already use all 3 of his seals?
No. And we still don't know how Caster got 3 Command Spells if Shirou had only 1 left, and how Rin recovered her Command Spell to order Saber to not get in the mud at the end of UBW.
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>>124830908
Hahaha oh man what a fucking joke, and people will defend this shit. Looks like something a child drew.
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>legendary hero
>beaten by a japanese schoolgirl
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>>124831021
>>124831055
she's still the biggest jobber in the VN tho
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>>124831064
That sound effect was probably from DS
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>>124831064
Yeah that was very nice, its a shame they didnt keep the swordspam sound though, i was really dissapointed with that.
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Why cant Archer just use guns rather than swords?
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>>124830539
It's not the same. They seem to be similar though.

The Lion's skin can only be pierced or slashed by its own claws. So it gives you immunity to slashing or piercing damage but blunt weapons still work.

God Hand represents immortality and therefore somehow includes damage immunity.

Actually this NP is a huge load of crap. Either the heroic spirit Heracles represents the mortal Heracles (who's not immortal) and therefore has no immortality NP, or the god Heracles (who could have access to such a NP) but that would be crap too since gods cannot be summoned.

FS/N Heracles doesn't wear the lion's skin so his damage immunity comes from the God Hand NP.
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>>124831120
I guessed it was a new contract and thus she had 3 brand new seals, the same with Rin
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>>124831015
I agree. I like how they put layers of shield in front of the flower.
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>>124831157
So literally with the skin what you would get is Heracles that has to be killed 12 times + 1 bullshit life with hammers or fists?
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>>124831153
they are way more complex than swords, lances, shields and bows so they take way more MP to create and shit
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>>124831153
If I'm not mistaken servants are fast enough to dodge bullets.

Also I remember Nasu saying modern humans can't become heroes because technology like guns makes shit too easy so noone actually becomes skilled and legendarily powerful.
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>>124831153
Swords > Guns
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>>124831135
>japanese schoolboy becomes a Heroic Spirit: Janitor Class
>loses to said Japanese schoolboy
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>>124831157
Or maybe Nasu doesn't give a fuck
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Glorious

And one of the few remaining `reasons` to play the decade old powerpoint no budget eroge has fallen.
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Why is Caster so useless? Big blue man was fucking useless and could only create chaos. Now long eared purple caster is fucking useless and getting beaten by bunch of teenagers. Aren't they supposed to be heroes of past that went into history as myths?

How about Hercules getting beaten by 14 year old girl, how you're supposed to get legend out of that?
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>>124831304
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>>124831021
In HF Shirou kills her with a knife, man
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>>124831265
What about that Gun God guy in Angel Notes
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>>124831153
Not worth the trouble.
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>>124831335
>all those blackened scenes

I honestly don't know how anyone could find this hype, it looks like shit with that stupid seizure prevention effect in place.
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>>124831239
I can't imagine him wearing the skin like a bodysuit, dear anon. Let's just say it's a bit harder to slash his neck (like decapitation).

>>124831322
Which is basically what I'm saying.
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>>124831335
>And one of the few remaining `reasons` to play the decade old powerpoint no budget eroge has fallen.
Is this a shitpost or not?
It's good but did you really have to bring that last part up, true or not?
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>>124831416
>Please do not call attention to the elephant in the room
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>>124831153
Archer sucks at magic, it's only good when creating sword or defensive equipment, like shields.
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>>124831374
>Archer grows his own vegetables.
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>>124831440
>please do not call attention to elephant in the room when nobody else is pointing it out for reasons that are clear within the community
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>>124831335
>this fucking darkening

I'm so pissed these retarded nips decided to go full autism with this shit.
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>>124831265
But just as a hero's weapons are more advanced, so do the enemies he must overcome also become armed with more advanced weapons, right?

I mean, Francis Drake is perfectly acceptable with guns and naval cannons as her weapons, because her feats are still elgendary.
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>>124831360
Black Barrel is a special gun made by the Church I think to fight shit like True Ancestors and by extension Types. If I could remember Gun God found it in the middle of nowhere.
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>>124831021
Kuzuki was not magic-boosted so he could no longer parry blows with his hands.
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>>124831374
Is that a revolverknife?
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>>124831153

Too distant from his origin/elemental attribute of sword.
Tracing shields, spears etc can still be done, but it's several times the mana cost.

On top of all that, guns aren't efficient. They have no history/magical power behind them. Though there is that CG from Fate/Extra showing EMIYA with a sniper rifle, so he might have gone full magus-killer.
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>>124831457
>not growing your own vegetables
How are you gonna become a Cooking Superhero like that anon?
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>>124831412
This
It really killed the scene for me too
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>>124831493
>Fate/Extra

Obviously Nasu made that statement before his franchise was milked dry by fat nerds
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Seriously, why did ufotable need to make Archer vs Lancer at night?

The cloudy midday that the VN used was infinitely better. It's like ufotable seems to think everything looks better with a shitty blue "night" filter over it.
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>>124831153
He may have used guns when he was alive, but he probably bought them and can't project them.
Same reason Shirou fights with a wooden stick during the grail war instead of just getting an actual sword.
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>>124831507
>by the Church
Atlas Academy not Church
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That was some nice fire.
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>>124831412
Even if you're shitposter, read this
http://www.ufotable.info/2014/12/the-golden-light.html
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>>124831471
>My circlejerk believes X therefore X is true
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>>124831560
So if I grow my own vegetables, can I become a seigi no mikata?
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>>124827836
>Archer strong
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>>124831339
>How about Hercules getting beaten by 14 year old girl, how you're supposed to get legend out of that?
The real Heracles got himself killed in a way that could have been done by a 14 year old girl as well. Think about it.

Well not exactly but it lead to his suicide.
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>>124830425
Read the rest of my post you mouthbreather. Medea still had a fleece that could be used to summon a fucking dragon. The fact that said fleece was once the skin and fur of something else didn't stop her from having it. So you're not going to stop Heracles from having the Nemean Lion's pelt simply because it used to be on the Nemean Lion.

I think Nasu once addressed this: the God Hand he has supercedes the pelt of the Nemean Lion, making the pelt superfluous. Of course it actually isn't, since the pelt might protect you from something God Hand does not and then you have one more life to burn through, but this is Nasu logic, after all. Alternatively, think of the protection the pelt gave him as having be subsumed into the God Hand, since this was his reward for the labors (which included slaying the lion, as you note, so it's reasonable that the God Hand encompasses all his gains and rewards from these labors).
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>>124831416
>poorly written
>bloated
>poorly translated
>crappy "art"

No thanks.
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>>124831585
Wasn't it called the Church's strongest weapon in Tsukihime?
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>>124831613
Obviously it will look different on the BDs. It still looked like shit here.
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>>124831661
>poorly written
>poorly translated
Ultra shitposting
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>>124831669
Honestly, I think having actual layers on top of the flower makes Aias look worse.
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>>124831745
>nasu is a good writer
-fatefags
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>>124831679
It's sealed by the Church but it was created by Atlas as one of the Seven Great Weapons
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>>124831765
>butcher is a good writer
-secondaries
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>>124831661
All those points still hold for the anime, but it doesn't stop you from liking it. Where is the logic, man?
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>>124831194
I always thought she only got the one seal back. But if you recall Fate/Zero, then you'll remember that Kirei was granted a full new set of 3 seals by the grail so he could continue as a Master. He didn't have to steal those from his Father. So we can easily suppose that the same thing happened with Rin: the Grail still recognized her as a participant, it still had at least one seal left that Rin hadn't used up, and so gave one or more seals back to Rin so she can reform a contract with a remaining servant.
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>>124831795
butcher is a better writer than nasu
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>>124831765
He is better then every single western writer that has ever lived so yes, he is an excellent writer.
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>>124831745
He's right about the translation though, it's kind of clunky. How many times do we read about Shirou wanting to vomit?

It's just that nobody is autistic enough to retranslate a VN as long as F/SN, so it's all we have.
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>>124831832
They are both fucking hacks.
-anon
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>>124831796
the anime doesn't suffer from nasu's actually writing

he comes up with chunni concepts and epic ideas (like gilgamesh) but is a god awful writer pen to paper.

The Quality Of A Fate Release Is Inversely Proportional To How Involved Nasu Is With It
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>>124831360
The dude is just a dude. The Gun God is a conceptual weapon that imposes the concept of Gaian mortality upon the target. This is what lets it kill True Ancestors and Types etc.
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>>124831840
> He is better then every single western writer that has ever lived
Now this is really fat
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>>124831763
The "real" shield had layers
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>>124831412
>>124831564
You guys realize they were fighting in the dead of night, right?
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Well?
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>>124831870
but CCC is good isn't it?, and that as mostly written by Nasu
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>>124831863
Can't argue with that.
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>>124830276
>OP
>Doesn't kill a single servant
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>>124831765
Try harder pls, shitposter.
>>124831731
>It still looked like shit here.
hue
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>>124831858
Actually, the translation is fine. It's Mirror Moon's editing that's total tripe.

As a result, the english Fate/stay Night fan localization is very low quality. But I suppose that beggars can't be choosers. I mean hey, you Nasutards got Fate/hollow ataraxia after how many years?
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>>124831574
It occurred in the night in the VN, too. That was kind of the basic operating concept of the whole fucking war: do it at night so as to draw less attention to yourself and magecraft.
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>>124831932
And? You'd have to be retarded to not notice the obvious desaturation in scenes like this.
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>>124831963
holy shit a true /jp/spie VNeet in the wild, not a random /a/utistic EOPrimary

what brings you here kiddo?
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>>124831964
You're just repeating things you've heard in TM threads aren't you.
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>>124831964
>Actually, the translation is fine. It's Mirror Moon's editing that's total tripe.
Are you retarded?
Mirror did the translation.
Just noone is autistic enough to retranslate a VN that's "readable"
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>>124831942
He doesn't know japanese
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>>124831964
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>>124832003
>It occurred in the night in the VN, too
Uh, no.
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>>124832011
>expecting BD quality from an illegally downloaded stream rip
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Do you think DEEN animators cry while watching this UBW version?
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>>124831939
>DEEN
1:1 layout copy from the VN(not necessarily a bad thing, but just saying)
Animated by some random animator

>Ufo
Slightly different layout
Animated by Nozomu Abe
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>>124832051
just about nobody in fate threads knows Japanese. All the primaries are EOPs
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>>124832063
Give 'em a break.
That explosion will be hard enough to cover during the night
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>>124832081
You don't need to keep sucking ufotable cock when I even admitted it was the seizure prevention effect is the reason it looks like shit. Stop being such a newfag.
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>>124828286
Is this the real life version of Kuzuki? Shit's breaking bones left and right with his snake hands.
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>>124832092
"We'll show them next season with Hetalia!"
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>>124832011
Hello everyone,

The latest episode 「#8 冬の日 心の所在」 have been sucessfully broadcasted.
This episode have alot of conversation of Saber, Shiro and Rin. .There is also a lot of fighting action at school. Hopefully everyone can enjoy the different expressions of "Fate".

And today We would like to introduce the different about the screen brightness of the Blu-ray ver. and Broadcast ver. I will be talking about the technical term and the colour of the screen.

For the safety of TV broadcasting, any TV program before it airs, it must use a device called the Paka-Checker. It automatically checks the brightness and the saturation. Also, the device will change the brightness and the saturation to fit the guide line.

For example, this is the opening of Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works]
This shoot comes from (OP_c028).
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Matchup without Plothax, with Tohsaka tier master.
Both servants knows their opponent NPs.

Saber vs Archer : Saber at close range, Archer at long range
Saber vs Lancer : Saber (unless gaebolg succeed)
Saber vs Berserker : Herakles (unless Excaliblast kill him)
Saber vs Rider : Saber
Saber vs Fake assassin : Saber
Saber vs Assassin : Saber
Saber vs Caster : Saber
Saber vs Gil : Gil
Saber vs Diarmund : Saber
Saber vs Lancelot : Lancelot
Saber vs Zero Rider : Rider if he force Saber to waste two or more excaliblast. He escaped both excalibur and Ea blast.
Saber vs Zero Assassin : Saber
Saber vs Zero Caster : Saber


Archer vs Lancer : Lancer
Archer vs Berserker : Berserker
Archer vs Rider : Rider
Archer vs Fake Assassin : Archer
Archer vs Assassin : Archer
Archer vs Caster : Archer
Archer vs Gil : Gil (serious gil)
Archer vs Diarmund : Diarmund
Archer vs Lancelot : Lancelot
Archer vs Zero Rider : Rider
Archer vs Zero Assassin : Archer
Archer vs Zero Caster : Archer
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>>124831763
I think it looks better this way, and makes more sense. The VN talked about how the spear was piercing through layers, but no layers were visible in the CG. It seemed to be vaguely referring to the petals of the flower, but that didn't really make sense.
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So, the better question is. What thought processes/management decisions must be made to go from Hentai Game -> Harem Anime -> Action Anime
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>>124832055
too bad Nasu hates the west but loves videogames
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>>124832184


Lancer vs Berserker : Berserker
Lancer vs Fake Assassin : Lancer
Lancer vs Rider : Lancer
Lancer vs Assasin : Lancer
Lancer vs Caster : Lancer
Lancer vs Gil : Gil
Lancer vs Diarmund : Lancer
Lancer vs Lancelot : Lancelot (Protection of the Fairies + Aarondight boost)
Lancer vs Zero Rider : Lancer
Lancer vs Zero Assassin : Lancer
Lancer vs Zero Caster : Lancer

Berserker vs Rider : Berserker
Berserker vs Fake assassin : Berserker
Berserker vs Assassin : Berserker
Berserker vs Caster : Berserker
Berserker vs Gil : Gil
Berserker vs Diarmund : Berserker
Berserker vs Lancelot : Berserker
Berserker vs Zero Rider : Berserker
Berserker vs Zero Assassin : Berserker

Rider vs Fake Assassin : Rider
Rider vs Assassin : Rider
Rider vs Caster : Rider
Rider vs Gil : Gil
Rider vs Diarmund : Diarmund
Rider vs Lancelot : Rider (unless a better master give lancelot a mana boost, but he has nothing against Pegasus)
Rider vs Zero Rider : Rider (unless a better master give him a huge mana boost, unlikely)
Rider vs Zero Assassin : Rider

Fake Assassin vs Assassin : Assassin
Fake Assassin vs Caster : Caster
Fake Assassin vs Gil : Gil
Fake Assassin vs Diarmund : Diarmund
Fake Assassin vs Lancelot : Lancelot
Fake Assassin vs Zero Rider : Rider
Fake Assassin vs Zero Assassin : Fake Assassin
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>>124832063
>generic background
>thinks this is evidence
You guys will bitch and moan to Earth's end about an animated scene being "too dark", but you can conceive of the idea that the generic background they used might not have given an accurate representation of the time and conditions?

Sweet fuck.
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>>124832179
make them 480
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>>124832178
Holy fuck, that's obvious. I even said that in my original post. I was just pointing out to the guy who thought it looked dark because they were fighting at night.
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>>124832178
Next is the original works of ufotable. (This is our master.)
You can see that the change of the brightness and scene of a quick motion have a big different clearness in it.(the Blu-ray ver. don't have the rules, so if will be fully original works inside)
I will show one more example of it, episode 8 broadcasted last week.
Shiro summoned Saber ―
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If anyone is curious about the design breakdown for Ufotable's Fate/Stay Night, the 3 character designers have talked about it in the latest Newtype.

- Tomonori Sudo (Garden of Sinners, Fate/Zero) is responsible for the main characters again: Shiro, Saber, Illya, and Sakura.

- Atsushi Ikariya (Fate/Zero) is once again handling the older male characters like he did in Fate/Zero: Berserker, Lancer, and the other fuckers in the Mato family.

- Hisayuki Tabata (Yuyushiki) is new to this team, but he is responsible for the sexier female designs: Rin and Rider, as well as the various supporting female characters.
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>>124832223
>Nasu hates the west

Source? If he really hated the west too much, they wouldn't release BDs here.
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>>124832250
that's even worse than decreasing the bitrate
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>>124832184
>saber
>winning against Kojiro by anything other than plotarmor
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>>124832223
>Nasu hates the west
Of course, that's why all the servants are from western legend.
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Arc was kind of a yandere cunt in Ciel's route, yet she still managed to be cute and make me feel bad for her.
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>>124832184
>>124832232
I like the effort you put into these even if I disagree with a few of those
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>>124832268
Everybody loves money. And what makes you think Nasu has control over where it's released?
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>>124831795
I don't care for Urobuchi much either. A lot of his stuff is kinda meh. You need more than just one person or a basic story to make a good anime. The direction, attention to detail, and production values matter a lot.

>being this childish about Type-Moon of all things

Apply yourself.
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>>124832336
Arc scared me in Ciel's route.
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>>124832235
They have a CG of the Church at Night, you dumbass.

Why do people feel the need to defend ufotable constantly? They're capable of messing up, you know. There is no need to go full autism and defend every little decision they make.
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>ufotable can do better on TV budget than DEEN on movie budget
Why does that studio even exist?
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>>124832266
> he is responsible for the sexier female designs: Rin
Great, finally I know his name. All I need now is find a hitman in Japan
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>>124832330
he like what's made in the west, not the people themselves
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>>124832330
Yes, because westerns can kill each other while the masters (east) have their wishes granted and are the ones who lead the battle.
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>>124832308
I think he mean without Ryuudou temple debuff and Saber can just Excaliblast
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>>124832232
>Rider vs Diarmund : Diarmund
What?
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>>124832386
Yes, and surely a low budget VN is incapable of making a mistake, such as not using a dark version of the background when they are supposed to.

Again: Sweet. Fuck.
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>>124832336
nah she was a huge cunt and confirmed herself as second worst girl
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>>124832220
Okay, the thought processes aren't really hard here. Let me explain how it happened:

Fate/Stay Night was made as a crummy indie Japanese visual novel by a bad writer and his friend the bad artist. The setting and characters were compelling, so it became very popular. The game was also remade on the PS2 with better graphics and no porn. It became even more popular.

They were approached for the license to turn it into a TV anime, which they accepted. The people who handled that adaptation hired a shitty anime studio which did a piss poor job of it. So the bad writing and bad art from the game translated into worse writing, terrible direction, and bad animation for the TV series.

Years later, the Fate franchise because quite a big "thing" and there were sound dramas, manga, anime, etc. To further expand on this franchise, they decided to do a brand new novel series which covers the events prior to F/SN. To make it different and unique, they approached a guy who could actually right to pen the novels. This became Fate/Zero.

Many more years later, more responsible and business savvy folks decided to license Fate/Zero to turn it into an anime. Because they are not dumbfucks, they actually cared about quality, and picked a good responsible animation studio to work on it. This studio poured their heart and soul into producing a solid TV adaptation, done tastefully and with full understanding of what makes good entertainment.

Yeah.
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>>124832412
>while the masters (east) have their wishes granted
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>>124832308

Exactely
>>124832424
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>>124832453
I hope you're baiting, because if not I pity you for your stupidity.
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>>124828865
Saber
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>>124832424
fair enough
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>>124832457
That all sounds pretty reasonable, and I kinda guessed that the original material had to have become popular somehow. Also, it is understandable that this thing was written by someone with a lot more talent. What I was trying to really get at was how it became action rather than some kind of romance anime.

So from what I understand the transition was something like

>Shitty Writing -> Bad Writing -> Good Writing
>Hentai Game -> Harem/Action Anime -> Action Anime
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I can't help but feel disappointed that Kuzuki didn't get to land a straight punch to Archer's chin to effect due to no magic from Caster.

Instead Archer countered his blows.
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>>124832431

I just check Diarmund stats

Well he badly lose to Rider. You right.
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>>124832457
>completely ignoring KnK

this makes me cringe
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>>124832588
KnK was seen as a risky project because it was a 7 movie adaptation of a shitty novel Nasu wrote long before Type-Moon got incredibly popular. The trick was to do it faithfully so that fans would be satisfied, and with a high production budget and using modern animation techniques which aren't commonly used. Very experimental. It turned out to be a huge success, so there's no surprise that Aniplex would make Ufotable the first-choice partner when thet decided to do another high budget adaptation of a Type-Moon related novel.
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>>124832454
>nah she was a huge cunt

Are you kidding? Shiki pissed all over her feeling again and again and Arc kept giving him space. She even gave him a second chance and the possibility of being saved by being her servant and what does Shiki do? He breaks her heart and slits her fucking throat when shes at her most vulnerable. Then Arc gets understandably upset and acts like a bitch for a bit but AGAIN lets Shiki do what he wants and lets him stay with Ciel, and that's after he's severely hurt her multiple times in a fight.

Arc a nice
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>>124832220
You know that Fate isn't the only eroge to ever get a proper anime adaptation right?
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>>124832479
They pretty much do, when you think about it.

>Kayneth: spends the rest of his life with his Waifu and they die in each other's arms
>Soichiro: Finds a reason to exist beyond existing
>Waver: Bromance and recognition
>Rin: Jackhammer.
>Sakura: SENPAI!
>Ryunosuke: COOOOOOL!
>Kirei: Got his answer. Finds out he needs another one, but he enjoys his life now.
etc.


Half the point of these stories is that almost everyone finds their wish granted during the course of the grail war. Do you people even know how to read?
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>>124832633
Don't try to hard, anon.
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>>124832588
The art is a slight improvement on the original Type-Moon designs, but they're bad mostly because of the original designs which people seem to like are bad to begin with. The actual animation is fantastic. The digital hybrid usage is hit or miss, and improves as the movies progress because of more experience.
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>>124832537
You're misunderstanding what kind of game it is. Yes there were sex scenes, but they couldn't have taken more than 10 minutes total out of the gigantic 50+ hour novel. It wasn't a hentai game. It didn't have to be specifically converted into an action anime, because once you remove the tiny amount of hentai content that's just what it is.
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>>124830220
after his fight against lancer her surveillance weakened and he surprised her
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>>124832633
So it was a case of "hey we have the popular property by Nasu that needs to be animated and we have little to lose anyway so why dont you guys have a go" and then when it was successful they let them do another. I suppose that makes sense.
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>>124832501
Give me a screenshot that specifically says they're there in the daytime and I will concede that it was daytime. Until then, the long-set rule of both the game's execution and in-world narrative is that the grail war is conducted strictly at night.
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>>124832634
>go with me or I fuck you up because you care for my enemy who has shown zero hostility from your point of view
>come with me as my personal fucktoy or die
>why don't you go with me
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>>124832678
No need to be so butthurt anon, I was just laughing because you were implying that even if they win they would get their wishes granted.
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>>124828869
>Cu does the "Well what is it" whenever Gil stops for a second
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>>124832720
It's probably not that simple. The actual popularity of KnK was pretty suspect before the movies were made, and the main priority for the Aniplex producer was quality. If I'm not wrong, he was looking to make an anime out of the work, but it was Ufotable's idea to make it in the manner which would have the most risk, but also the most reward.

They felt they could make something which would really impress people, and since they do pretty much everything internally, it was also a good chance for the studio to really challenge themselves and make a major production, gaining experience and trying out new techniques in the process.

Aniplex has been very happy to spend money like that in recent years, because they for whatever reason they don't mind paying a lot of money for relatively untested stuff, as long as there are good potential returns. After all, they bankrolled Gurren Lagann at Gainax even though Imaishi had never directed a TV series before, and it was an original property to boot. They also bankrolled Fullmetal Alchemist at BONES back when the studio had never done a 51 episode series before. It's just the Aniplex way. More recently they also produced the Idolmaster TV series, with an animator who has never directed before at the helm. They definitely try to look for the right people on each project, and when it works, it works really well. Their producers like to take risks and they have a lot of money at their command.
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>>124832713
Which is exactly the point of the final verbal exchange between Archer and Lancer, and the reconfirmed for you by dialogue following her death.

It's like these people don't even watch the episodes or read the material.
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>>Did you just call her a dog
The hell? How could they mess up the subs that badly?
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>>124832395
DEEN literally became rich with the UBW movie. All the money the sponsors gave to them went to their pockets, not to production.
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>>124832765
I'm a different guy than the one you were responding to, making my own point.
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>>124832726
>Just as they exit the forest, and when the sky is beginning to lighten up…
>Before they go to the church, she informs him of the fact she has kept hidden.

>"I'll tell you right now. There is only 'one' of the pendant that you gave back to me."
>She does not tell him what that means, and he does not inquire about it.
>It is because such matters are unnecessary when they are about to face their greatest enemyCaster.

>The one and only pendant.
>The one he found in her room and returned to her.
>The one he found on that night and put into his desk.
>Now is not the time to ask about the contradiction.

http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20207/
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https://a.pomf.se/scnxxb.webm
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>>124832726
Now don't you look stupid?
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Who else thinks that the pacing of the fight was pretty weird? I think there was more time dedicated to useless fluff we already know like "I need to hold off Kuzuki!" and "Even if I gathered 100 ten year gems I could not win in magic!" then there was to actual fighting.

Especially weird was that the way it's directed makes it seem like Kuzuki just stood there and let Shirou recover.

They could have just interwoven Rin and Shirou's bits, there was no need for jumps back in time like it's a VN.
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>>124832633
>wow they make F/Z because F/SN success
>not because they did KnK right and wanted to do more with TM
>not because F/Z was a hit as LN
not sure if this is pasta, and you know that
Tsukihime was TM huge success right ? it was the best selling VN until Higurashi came, also calling it shit just for the sake of your pretentioness won't make you less dumb.
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>>124832726
> the grail war is conducted strictly at night
But that's wrong, there were several battle scenes during daytime in the VN. The rule is that the war shouldn't be seen by outsiders, regardless of the time of day
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>>124832926
>>124832898
Thank you. It was daytime, after all.
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Why the fuck does rin have the ability to trace now
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>>124832990
When did she trace anything?
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>>124832184
Archer would rape all the servants, including gil and saber
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>>124832728
More like
>come with me or Roa will eat your soul and I'll need to kill you
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>>124832946
>Tsukihime
Remake when? Surely copypasting a VN with updated art can't be that hard. Not even a Tsukihimefag but seeing the mindfucks in Hisui's route with decent art would be nice.
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>>124832978
There was also the bit last episode where Archer said "I predict they will attack at dawn"
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>>124832946
>Fate/ZZzz fanboy detected.

Even the Horizon novels > Fate/zero novels. Japan agreed don't bother them about it.
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>>124832990
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>>124832946
>VN
>Success
dohohohoohohohohoohoho
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>>124833013
Just like he did with Lancer right?
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>>124831765
I'v read shit tons of LN and VN but Type Moon stuff is top one for me. Still at this day you can talk about Tsukihime and FSN just like the first time. Nasuverse is like a blackhole that suck you in.
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>>124832838
Yeah I was really confused when I watched that too. I wasn't listening to the jap so while reading the subs, I thought archer was referring to Bazett or something because lancer got all offended from his comment.

But Lancer was just reacting to the word dog itself. Because Hound Chulainn and all.
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>>124832990
She didn't trace anything, dunno what you're talking about. She does use strengthening magic though, and she even used it a bit in episode 0.
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>>124832990
She's the daughter of Archer from the future.
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>>124833018
sure but it could have been worded differently, like in a less insane way
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>>124833023
>Surely copypasting a VN with updated art can't be that hard.

Retard alert.
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>>124832232
>Fake Assassin vs Assassin : Assassin
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>>124832457
Saved so hard it overwrote my other files
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>>124832942
Did you perhaps listen to ANYTHING Shirou was saying immediately preceding the fight? Answer: no, you didn't.

Shirou immediately recognizes that Kuzuki already understands what their plan is, but he isn't telling Caster and is just letting it happen. Because Kuzuki is simply following Medea's lead and letting her run the show and letting her live her time as she pleases. Shirou knows that Kuzuki will intervene only when strictly necessary, and will let things play out until then, which is exactly what he does.
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Cancer anime
Cancer fans
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>>124833006
she has trace veins activated when she goes after medea
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>>124833030
>waah i want to call shit to pretend to be smart

go back to /v/
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>>124833150
Those aren't "trace veins" those are just generic "magic stuff" marks.
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>>124833115
>VNeets are ok though
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>>124833150
I know,right? Honestly shit like that makes me hate this adaption.
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>>124832588
Also, KnK has always been the inferior Tsukihime prototype. I remember an extremely old interview where Nasu states how he was embarassed by Kara no Kyoukai; he considered it an inferior work from his early days. But I guess his tune changed 4-5 years later when he found out that he could make money by publishing KnK. And of course he did it again with the recent movies.
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>>124833150
That's just her magic circuits
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>>124833114
What does that have anything to do with the flow being broken by having to listen to Shirou think "my job is to keep kuzuki occupied" in the middle of the fight? Because we knew that already.
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Notice how everyone in this thread jizzes their pants over the bad action scenes in KnK and Fate?

No, Type-Moon stuff isn't any better than Bleach/Naruto. You can pretend it is if it makes you feel better though. Basically imagine the undeveloped, lifeless characters from Bleach wearing top hats and monocles trying to engage in "deep" and philosophical discussion, and you got the heart and soul of KnK, Fate, and Tsukihime.
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>>124833178
>>124833218
>>124833196
oh you guys suck dick at jokes
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I was just playing TESO and saw this exchange. Which one of you guys did this?

The Gil retard seems like he's from MAL or Reddit but the Jobber guy has to be from here, right?
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>>124833150
> she has trace veins activated
Literally what?
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>>124833258
>I'm just pretending to be retarded
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>>124833251
Ok
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>>124833200
And Einstein thought a gravitational constant was an embarrassing mistake.

That's right, I just favorably compared Nasu to Einstein. Whatcha gonna do about it?
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>>124832395
DEEN
>no talents
>poor budget
>target audience: kids, NEET
>bland rip-off vn scenes
>made for money
Ufo
>great people
>great budget
>target audience: kids, adults, NEET, old fans, normals
>modern visual effects+animation
>inspired by hollywood action movies
>artistic influence
>Nasu is adviser
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>>124832946
In Japan the Tsukihime anime sold 15,000 DVDs per volume. That basically makes it a success for a late night anime.

Looks like the anime exists for the Japanese, but doesn't exist for the weeaboos from Beast's Lair and the new-friends of /a/.
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>archer can GoB people now
ok whatever
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Why didn't Natalia land the plane on the sea?
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>>124826534
Well. That's after the hit.
This is the frame of the hit itself, as well as the frame right prior to it and right after it.
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A face of man whose waifu was killed.
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so why can archer and saber still exist without a master?
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>>124833241
I concede that part was annoying, but I think it's how it went down in the VN, as well. Shirou isn't exactly known for being the sharpest tool in the shed. He likes to keep reminding himself of his objectives and beliefs at every opportunity, lest he forget them or something.
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So did Caster stack MDEF and forgot to apply any kind of armor buffs?
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>>124833046
That line is obviously directed towards lancer when he said that.
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>>124833344
Archer has Independent Action
Saber will get a Master soon else she'll start disappearing
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>>124833013
The long range attack only work on Saber because she can't dematerialize.

And maybe Kojirou (unless the gate protect him)
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>>124833324
It shouldn't be palm open during hit. Hand should "bend back" to tense the arm, yes, but not open palm.
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>>124832633
>shit
>shitty shit
>shit
Okay
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>>124833344
Archer: Independent Action
Seibah: Plot demands it
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>>124833200
he was embarassed because it was something he had written long ago, he was too with Mahoyo, and they're different works, just a MC with similar concept and same ability
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>>124832457
There is so much wrong with the ordering of events in this post it's clear you're just talking out of your ass.
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>>124833344
They are alive and have some magical energy left, and Independent Action for Archer lets him stay even longer.
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>>124833344
Independent action for archer
Servants can stay around if they still have magical energy. Saber was doing that, but she's very weak. Can't even hold her sword up in a fight
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>>124833282
>playing TESO
Do you hate yourself that much?
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>>124833329
Fucks given: 0
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>>124833344
Archer have Independent Action skill which is basically mana UPS
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>>124833023
Nasu stated that Tsukihime is supposed to "be a game where you can enjoy the girls". There Shiki is your generic h-game protagonist; at the time it's basically Nasu's self-insertion character. The female characters are the only ones who undergo any worthwhile character development.

Later on with the non-canon "fun disc" stuff (Kagetsu Tohya and Melty Blood) Nasu takes the time to develop Shiki as an actual character, rather than as some self-insertion. But all that stuff never happens in the canon timeline, so yeah.
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>>124833358
>but I think it's how it went down in the VN, as well.
Well, in a VN we're only reading the guy's narration of the fight with occasional SFX to punctuate it. It's different when watching an animation of a fight.

I know people complain about wanting more internal monologue, but there's a time and a place. Noting at the start that Kuzuki is just going with Caster's flow works, noting in the middle that there's no way he'll go down before he's finished the job isn't. Well, it might work if he was thinking that on top of fighting, but instead he's just slumped against a wall and it's annoying.
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>>124833436
>>124833282
is TESO bad? I didn't know it came out
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>>124833372
That's the gist of it yeah, in a traditional mage vs traditional mage fight you expect don't expect the other guy to start throwing punches.
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>>124833391
That's correct I suppose. Makes sense and I have no reason to distrust you.
I am not really disagreeing with anyone. I mostly just compiled the image to present a more clear picture.

This >>124826210 doesn't really show what happened. Being a shot after the move itself. That's all.
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What did he imply?

That the normal Gaebolg is easy as fuck to avoid?
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>>124833344
Independent Action: A

B is enough for one to stay for a day or few, A and EX are basically bullshit
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>>124833491
>I didn't know it came out
Are you comfortable under that rock?
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>>124833408
>Seibah: Plot demands it
Not once has a servant disappeared immediately after losing their master.
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>>124833507
You need to be in melee range to use it
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>>124833470
>non-canon
Hurr
>The game's subtitle is “Hologram Summer, Night on the Blood Liar.” The original plan was for it to be about an executor who was a sort of rival to Ciel appearing to fight Arcueid, but once production started the sample game ended up being so amazing we felt the need to whip up a worthy story within “Tsukihime Canon” to match.
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>>124833507
He just has to stay out of melee range
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>>124833507
Normal Gae Bolg activation, that Lancer used on Saber, can only be activated within a certain range. Just get out of range, which is what an archer should be doing, to avoid it.

Thrown has a lot more range because it's thrown.
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>>124833507
He's just noting that close range attacks are close range attacks.
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>>124833507
There's presumably a range in which Gae Bolg works in. He could in theory run away
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>>124833507
The Gae Bolg that never misses the heart is a close-range weapon. If you see Lancer getting ready to use it, just run for it.

The anti-army Gae Bolg is different, is just a pure mana projectile long-range weapon.
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>>124833309
well, Tsukihime was still a thing back then, even if was a shitty adaptation sure it would sell, like DEEN with F/SN.
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>>124833507
A knife out of range is just a sharp piece of metal. The same logic applies here, a weapon is useless unless in range.
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>>124833583
>people die when they are killed : ver Years Later

Sasuga red man.
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>Dolphin episode in two weeks

Is your body ready?
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>>124833528
who wants to stay in the SJW infested battlegrounds of modern video games
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I hope all the faggots who seriously think Archer can beat Lancer realized how stupid they are after seeing the fight animated.

Lancer kicking Archer was fucking hilarious, and really shows how pathetic Archer is as a Servant.
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>>124833470
>2000
>Tsukihime
>fan art on disk
My heart is trembling. So comfy.
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>>124833633
>>two weeks

absolutely no chance, how would they fill the rest of the episodes?

We'll probably get a archer flashback episode the episode after next
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>>124833436
>>124833491
They've patched the shit out of it and it's actually really good right now. I'm an mmo-whore and play everything under the son and it's one of my favorites. It's really slow paced and doesn't play like WoW at all. Lots's of player choice, crafting, and exploration. People shit on it really hard when it came out but it's improved a lot.
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>>124833564
>he didn't play Act Cadenza
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>>124833654
UBW
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>>124833654
Archer would have fared better if he had known that Rho Aias would be bested. He honestly figured he had that as a defensive trump card that would let him claim victory. And, once again, PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR FINAL VERBAL EXCHANGE. Archer's entire goal in this fight was to wait for Caster to be distracted enough to no longer keep watching him so he could betray her.
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>>124833654
>Lancer kicking Shirou
>Lancer kicking Archer at the same manner
Is just like poetry
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>>124833743
is nothing but a minor nuisance for Servants that aren't Gil.
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Wasnt Kuzuki suppose to be good? how did Archer kill him so easily
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>>124833716
> play everything under the son
lewd
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>>124833730
Did you see that part when he jumped forward?
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>>124833716
I refuse to play it because of what it does to the Elder Scrolls lore.
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>>124833654
Archer, while barely surviving, likely wasn't attempting to win the fight. He just needed to fulfill his part. Archer with the same motivation as in the unseen Berserker fight could probably pull off a win. It'd still be hard pressed, but you can't tell me he could take half of a Heracles and not take on a full Cu.
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>>124833730
Lancer gets close to Saber to use it though
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>>124833791
no more caster buffs
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So this episode covered way more than I thought it would.

Is it actually going to happen? Will we get EMIYA flashblacks?
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>>124833633
The dolphin episode will either be episode 23 or 24. It's one of the last things to happen in the story.
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>>124833734
I did. Doesn't change the fact that KT and MB are canon
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>>124833730
He ran forward
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>>124833730
But he didn't use Gae Bolg from that range. He halved that distance at the very least.
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>>124833757
>Archer's entire goal in this fight was to wait for Caster to be distracted enough to no longer keep watching him so he could betray her.

And? That doesn't change the fact Archer got his ass completely kicked until Lancer let him live. Or are you telling my Archer held back? Because that's hilarious on a whole different level.
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>>124833757
And, to continue harping on how you guys need to pay more fucking attention, the reason Lancer just lets him go is because his orders were to cooperate to ensure the downfall of Caster. Once he deduced that Archer's goal was to betray her, and their fight was just a pretext for that, his job was finished.
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>>124833785
screen comparison pls
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>>124833791

Saber jobs.

The end.
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It's painfully obvious for any TRUE TM FAN that fate/shit must be buried already. Fate/shit and its target audience of fate/kids are the worst tumors that happened to grow on TM virgin body that cannot create anything now, even Mahoyo was a PIECE of SHIT and BOMBED really hard.
And what is more hilarious - Type-SHIT is pretending like it never happened and preferred to completely FORGOT about their new VN by making another absolutely IDIOTIC fate/shit such as EXTRA/SHIT and APOCRYSHIT.

There is no doubt, NEO-TSUKIHIME remake will be absolutely terrible and stained by filthy hands of Takeshit and Nasushit who completely lost themselves in MILKING fate/shit for last 10 years.
Fuck you NEO-TM scum and fuck your shit taste that corrupted previously a good studio. If those idiots listened to TRUE TM FANS that MODERN SHIT would never happen.
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>>124833716
Why did people shit on it?
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>>124833743
>Protection against missiles
Swordspam is useless
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>>124833824
I-is he daijobu?
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>>124833824
>You love it the more you suffer, am I right?
Spot on.
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>>124833730
max range is 4m
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>>124833820
At the current pace they're going, we might.
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>>124833806
Archer stands no chance against Lancer. He can't keep up with Lancer in a straight fight, and all his projectiles are completely useless.

Him killing Herc a bunch of times means literally nothing. The Nasuverse is rock paper scissors, not power level DBZ.
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>>124833948
That's wrong.
Max range is "4".
There are no units
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lancerfags

the worst cancer

we never knew existed

uses gay bulge twice
the thing that is "confirmed 100% kill"
guess what
zero kills
z e r o
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>>124833849
He clearly didn't attempt to unleash his full arsenal. The fight was meant to buy time until Medea stopped watching him. Going full-out runs counter to that goal. He might still have gotten his shit pushed in, because Cu's just a fucking wrecking machine as long as his Luck isn't the key factor, but Archer was transparently not using his full offensive capacity, nor did he want to. He went full defensive, and to his surprise it wasn't enough.
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>>124833962
>Ciel shows up to give him the cloak in a flashback
>People all over TM threads start screaming about the remake
Do it ufotable
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How did Archer know about Gungnir? Did he encounter it in his lifetime?
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>>124833824
the people caring about Fate today isn't the same people that cared about it back in the day. Zero anime attracted a million of young little shits that have zero/none fiction experience, but also made super shiny the many shortcomings of all the shit Nasu writes.
so they just silently called themselves over.
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>>124833608
Both versions hits the heart for sure.
The difference between the melee version and the thrown version is that only the thrown version reverses cause and effect. But both of them has the concept of striking the heart with certainty.

The very scene itself is called "Lance of sure hit shield of no loss". It was always meant as a unstoppable force meets an immovable object scenario.
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Lancer + Bazett pair would have utterly destroyed every other Master and Servant in the Fifth War if Kotomine didn't trick them.
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>>124834002
unspecified units are the metric default, burgerfat
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>>124834014
>Archerfags are this far in denial
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>>124834011
But he only used his 100% kill move once, anon
>>124834033
Gil throws it around a lot so he probably saw it before he became a Servant
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>>124834050
>As it is hurled using all of Lancer's magical energy

I was under the impression that it was cheap to use
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>>124834050
You mean only melee reverses causality.
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>>124834033
Archer, the counter guardian, has a literally timeless existence and can be summoned into any time period at all and can remember every last one of them regardless of chronological order.
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>>124834050
Only the melee version has the causality fuckery.
And the ranged always hits.
But not neccesarily the heart
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>>124834033
Are there people who don't recognize Gungir?
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>>124834098
The melee thrust is
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>>124834079
two bay gulges
zero kills
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Since when can Archer throw magical swords around like Gil
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>>124833870
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>>124833879
because it took liberties with the lore, had a janky beta, and general /v/ autism. Normies didn't like it either because it was more difficult than other MMOs and wasn't "Skyrim 2: Online edition"

>>124833804
The theory is that it's all an illusion created by molag-bal and not actually reality, hence all the inaccuracies, They had to change some stuff to make it work as an MMO.
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>>124834098
It's a one off then?
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>>124833968
Archer stands no chance against most Servants but pulls through with tactics and Eye of the Mind. As I said, it's not like Archer isn't going to be on the defensive the entire time like in this fight, but Archer being out to kill regardless of his survival would likely be different than this Archer hedging his bets on surviving.
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>>124834055
It's the reason why Kotomine destroy them?
Or because he wanted a Lancer?

Also, Berserker can crush them, unless Lancer + Bazett have no pride, and target a innocent but adorable child.
And they have.
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>>124834135
Since the VN
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>>124834135
For around 11 years now
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>yfw A rank Agility
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>>124826628
he was parodying him
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>>124834155
>wasn't "Skyrim 2: Online edition"
dropped
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>>124834155
Skyrim fucking SUCKED. Should have been Oblivion 2: This One Will Crash Less, We Swear.
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>>124826628
shirou is the red man
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>>124826670
>>124834253
not even nasu is that bad a writer cmon dude
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>>124834099
>>124834127
Yes, that is indeed what I meant. I have no idea why I wrote "thrown".
The melee version reverses cause and effect. But both of them hits the heart for sure.

The description itself compares it to Gungnir and mentiones that it strikes no matter what.
But the text in the game itself claims that it also never misses the heart. The claim doesn't contradict the description in the status screen itself, and there is no reason not to believe it.

The text >>124834050 clearly states that it hits the heart.
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>>124834170
He wanted Bazett out of the run because he didn't want the Association to take much part in the whole thing
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>>124834048
Lies, I knew the pain of waiting for Message to release the UBW patch back in highschool.
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>>124834135

2 days, 4 months, and 11 years
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>>124834281
>Nasu
>Good writer
Shinji is lancer, Sakura is rider, Shirou is archer.
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>>124834310
What kind of ultra-yuro time is this
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>>124834178
>>124834181
Why didnt he use it earlier, would have been handy
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>>124834027
>Ufotable Ciel
>Ufotable redesigned Ciel
Nah, that's impossible.
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>>124834155
Also /tg/ autism.
My case
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>>124834284
The game text is muddling you because it was presented poorly. It is mentioning the two versions seperately as the identity of the weapon.
Version 1 (melee): Always pierces the heart
Version 2 (ranged): Cannot be dodged and always strikes the target
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Who is this mysterious Red Man and why does he want to kill Shirou?
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>>124834399
Because he's seeing red.
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>>124834284
Takeuchi: So, would Archer get hit?

Nasu: For sure. But since he knows about it, he wouldn’t approach Lancer in the first place. If it looked like Lancer was seriously getting ready to use Gae Bolg, Archer would already be frantically getting as far away as possible.

Takeuchi: Ah, I see. That sort of tactic is always an option, huh? So what about the thrown version?

Nasu: The “Spear of Striking Death Flight”. That one’s just pure, simple destructive power.

Takeuchi: As expected. If you added on the concept of heart-piercing at long range too, then…

Nasu: …it would end up being the ability of Lancer’s father. The ultimate version of Fragarach.

Takeuchi: Eternal Force Blizzard! And the target dies. Around that level.

Nasu: Naturally. Because the battles in mythology are freaking hax, right
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At this point EMIYA flashback is guaranteed.

So what will we see? Will we finally be able to see if Shinji was the friend who betrayed him?
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>>124834399
He's shirou from the future, found out that he loses an iron chef competition. He falls into a depression and decides to become a hero to kill himself so he would never go through the competition again
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>>124834136

kek
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>>124834474
>implying Shinji was his friend
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>>124834474
>100 minutes they said
>EMIYA backstory they say
I will not hope.
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>>124833282
I didn't think anyone from here would see that.

>I call him a Jobber
>he calls me a mongrel
>his comment was "win" and I'm an "idiot" according to that retard

>>124833436
>>124833491
>>124833716
>>124833879
It's fun. If you're an MMO fan you should pick it up. They removed the sub-fees and didn't destroy it with F2P shit. I picked it up recently and I've been enjoying the hell out of it.
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>>124833883
He was a student. The zoo was shitty and the ground near the tiger's den collapsed with the student gliding down along the hole inside of the den.

The tiger ran up to him and just stared at the student while doing nothing but keeping watch. For about 15 to 20 minutes, with the student doing curling up like in the webm pleading for his life. After which another student threw a rock at the tiger, which made the tiger attack.
The guards did not have tranquillizer guns for some stupid reason.

He died. Do not attend foreign zoos.
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>Tsuki anime
>Ufo
No pls. DDD fit more for Ufo. Tsuki is 80% harem.
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>>124834310
Isn't it american actually?
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>>124834609
Just don't go to shitty thirdworld countries ever
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>>124834550
There's 8 episodes left. It's not really possible to stretch the content they have left for 8 episodes, so unless they deviate heavily we are going to end up with flashbacks.
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>>124827510
Longbows take a shitload of strength to even draw fully. The image of quick and agile but more slender people being the bowmen is a myth. Women generally would be too weak to be archers.
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>>124834557
It may not be EMIYA backstory, but there's definitely something that we don't know that they'll do. There's too many episodes for content that, at the pace they've been using, would be too much. They'll expand on something, and Archer's backstory is pretty probable considering he is the central character in the route.

But maybe we'll get a full overhaul of whole parts, or even new parts added, to make the finale better? I don't know. Something's going on.
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>>124834633
Not more harem than Fate if you go specific route deep enough.
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>>124826724
>How can Zero Lancer even stand a chance against him?
He doesn't. One contrived scenario was painted up to give Diarmuid an advantage, which still only evened the playfield. Typically he doesn't stand much of a chance at all.
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Why does everyone just keep letting Shirou and Tohsaka go? Why is everyone just standing there doing nothing? Why is Caster so useless?
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>>124834705
I'm not saying they'll deviate from the source material. Shinji was never Shirou's friend in the first place. Like Shinji said they were just acquaintances.
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>>124834474
I really hope to see his backstory soon.
I guess Nasu will rewrite his story a bit or put original scenes just like other characters such as Caster and Illya.
But I don’t think he will put stuff from Extra. Because F/SN Archer ≠ Extra Archer
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>>124834885
Caster at first let them go because Archer asked her to.
Gil did because he's overconfident, was in a hurry, and wanted to keep Shinji for his plans.
In this episode they haven't been let go.
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>>124828077
>>124826899
When did this 12 hours battle happen? And in what route?
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>>124834885
>Why does everyone just keep letting Shirou and Tohsaka go?
But they aren't.
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>Lancer dashes forward
>stops
>jumps backwards
>proceeds to float in the air, in real time judging from his hair, for quite some time before finally attacking
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>>124835039
During Fate, as soon as Kotomine tells them to kill Saber and they decide not to
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>>124835061
>in real time
I really don't think it was real time.
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>>124835065
Still not ringing any bells which is weird because i'm known for having a good memory for this stuff

Can you place it before or after any other event for me?
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>>124834933
I just realized I totally responded to the wrong person, I meant to respond to >>124834557

But Shirou and Shinji were friends. Yeah, Shinji said that and Shirou himself wasn't very fond of Shinji, but they were more like two guys who find each other annoying yet somehow always find themselves hanging around each other.
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>>124835061
Runes.
>>124835150
After the Church basement scene with rotting orphans
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>>124835150
In the Church, after Saber rejects Kotomine's idea of killing Shirou
Lancer and Gil's first meeting
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New thread

>>124833959
>>124833959
>>124833959
>>124833959
>>124833959
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>>124827325
>Phaser noises
Based ufo
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>>124835198
>>124835207
Bingo, now i remember. Thanks.

I guess it's because we never really saw that animated
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>>124834885
Caster is a good girl, she doesn't like killing misguided kids. Also, they're the main characters so they need to be kept alive.
It's a shame they can't come up with believable ways to do it but this episode is far from being the worst offender, Just a few weeks from now they'll be spared by the blond faggot again just because he doesn't want his clothes to get dirty.
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>>124827812
Someone post the soundcloud link, you know the one
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>>124833241
It's supposed to show how he's growing more tactically adept. You know, Eye of the Mind and shit.
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>>124834707
>myth
There's your fucking answer, anon. The bow is often the weapon of females and goddesses in mythology.
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