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Why is it that Monogatari is so fucking popular in Japan and

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Why is it that Monogatari is so fucking popular in Japan and yet has such a small cult following in the west? Is it because it hasn't really been localized? Is it because it's too open about sexuality?

I feel like it's not because of Japanese-exclusive jokes, I'm a huge fan of the series and I know minimal Japanese. To me(and likely most /a/ users) the main appeal would probably be the characters.

What the fuck is stopping Monogatari from catching on in the west?
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It's a glorified harem
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Generic harem shit
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Monogatari is fucking garbage that's why.
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The west is not enough into anime in general.
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>>124743986

It's artistic porn. The average age of the anime fan in the west is 15. Parents aren't going to be happy if their kid is watching it.

Also, the localization was extremely delayed AND people are more concerned with shit like SAO/SnK to care about a show where they do nothing but talk.
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No dubs
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>>124744103
>>124744079
Monogatari isn't not a harem, but it's drastically different compared to your average harem. Most of the girls in the show just look up to Araragi, only Senjougahara and Hanekawa actually have romantic feelings for him. I guess there's Shinobu too but she's holding off until all of his friends die.

Sengoku hates him now, he's just close friends with Kanbaru, Mayoi is gone, Yotsugi isn't attracted to him, and his feelings for his sisters are one-sided.
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>>124744079
I'd describe it as harem+. Because it's a harem, but it has a lot more to it. The purple who just yell "DEEP" and deny enjoying any of the sexual content are retarded though.
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>>124744284
Who is this semen demon
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>>124744409
Kiss-shot accelerated onion hat under bread
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>>124744284
>>124744292
I can see where you're coming from but the extra stuff doesn't distract me enough and the sexual tension/jokes between all of them is still there. If I want a ton of sex, I'll watch/read porn, albeit this show would make the best hentai anime ever.

It's funny because I love the art and the character designs, and even a couple of characters but the show itself just does nothing for me.
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Tastes differ. Love Live has a tiny fanbase in the west too
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Because it has sexualized lolis and that's enough to keep most normalfags away from it.
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Because like any actually good YA novel series getting overshadowed by Twilight, it's still an LN series in the shadow of trite garbage like SAO or Index. No matter how many great pieces of film or literature or what-have-you that you can draw similarities with, western anime fans are the kind of trash who make any such statements meaningless in a flash, no matter what you're talking about, because outsiders will just see it as "some weird high school series like that Haruhi show" and people who watch anime compulsively will spout the same retarded buzzwords that are so popular here, "edgy pretentious harem bullshit"
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It would be completely destroyed if it ever got dubbed.
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>>124743986
Bake is popular at least in Australia
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>>124744569
you speak the truth. the normies can't handle it.
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>>124744569
Nailed it. It's the number one reason why I can't recommend the series freely
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>>124744284
>isn't not

nice double negative faggot
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>>124744701
Is that an Anime restaurant or something?
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>>124744616
Is this suppose to be cat
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>>124744954
asian cuisine restaurant in Australia
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It's fanbase in the west is still pretty large.
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>>124744993
Yes.

>>124745081
That's kind of neat. It would be really cool to have that on your wall.
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>>124743986
i liked the series from a graphics design point of view

the pacing, cuts, well done backgrounds

decent story,it had a great colour pallet in general. The typefaces were cool, it somehow made the dialogue saturated show really interesting by playing with the visuals so well.

I was quite skeptical at first and dropped this show, but managed to pick it up again after a while and give it another try, disregarding all the fansirvice I think the show is quite artistic and shaft is definateley had fun making the series
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>>124745081
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>>124744945
It was intended so that the sentence would be read as having a more casual tone than just saying "it is".
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>>124744701
>>124745208
>best girl

Owner has good taste
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>>124743986
>american's showing on tv anime where the MC is a pedophilic incestuous molester

Yeah, good luck with that
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>>124744545
big enough to get the mobile game localized.
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>>124745208
That's really cool.
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>>124745208
You mean Koyomi? He's second best.
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>>124745271
TBH I'm pretty sure Monogatari has a much bigger fanbase than LL
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>>124745318

meant for >>124745246
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>>124745318
>>124745371
Second best after crab naturally
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1. Too dialogue-centric for the ADHD kiddies to sit through

2. Fanservice, especially loli fanservice puts off the majority of casuals.
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Does this have a dub?
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>>124744495
Underrated post.
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>>124745470
Only Bake has a french dub
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>>124745424
>having to read a lot of things that are subs
Probably lost a lot right there alone
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>>124745470
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>>124743986
Somebody, somewhere, will probably take the toothbrush scene seriously

Nisemonogatari especially is way too fanservicy for the average normal. Hell, the series opens with a panty shot, that's enough to put most people off.
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>>124745135
why haven't you been perma-banned yet?
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>>124744409
Cum-shot Areola-Orgasm Hard-Anal-Bang
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>>124743986
Dropped after the second episode. Terrible, boring series.
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>>124745591
Because I don't break the rules like you?
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>>124745424
>Too dialogue-centric for the ADHD kiddies to sit through

Found one >>124745643
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>>124745643
Time to take your ADHD meds, Timmy.
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>>124745723
I don't have ADHD.
>too dialogue-centric
It doesn't make it good. It's annoyingly self-indulgent.
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When will monogatarifags get the same treatment as nardofags?

This circlejerk is disgusting.
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>>124745848
When you start sucking my dick. On your knees faggot
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>>124745848
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>>124745778
>This character-focused show focuses too much on character interaction
Oh no!
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>>124743986
Being boring as shit
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>>124745559
>Somebody, somewhere, will probably take the toothbrush scene seriously

I remember seeing some guy here saying he dropped the series because of that.
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>>124745778
The entire point of Monogatari is character interaction and dialogue.

It's fine if you don't like those things, but don't criticize the series just because it isn't your cup of tea.

>>124745559
Even I think Nise was way too fanservicy, and I say that as a fan of the series. It was just way too over the top at times.
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>>124745926
No you sick my dick
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>>124746115
>It was just way too over the top at times
Perhaps, but I'd rather it be that way than not have the toothbrush scene. It's hardly like it gets in the way.
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>>124743986
>Why is it that Monogatari is so fucking popular in Japan and yet has such a small cult following in the west? Is it because it hasn't really been localized?

Aniplex of America is releasing them in lavishly expensive sub-only boxsets, and it has a crazy amount of dialouge and puns which would make a dub script tough so that's why it's merely cult status.

If it was released cheaper and has a dub, then it will be on par those harem fanservice shows like Highschool DxD and such
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>>124743986
Completely honest opinion:
because it's too taboo.
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>>124746240
In BritBong land we have fairly standard, normally priced blu-rays. I've seen Bake in the high street occasionaly. They still don't seem very popular.
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>>124744508
It can't be a hentai because there's no actual sex scenes in the LN's.
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kizu soon
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>>124746354
I'm surprised it's not illegal there.
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Surprised former IRCfaggots aren't taking credit for this with their spam tactics.
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>>124743986
It's middle-brow junk. Monogatari makes plebs feel smart. Nisio is the Japanese Tarantino except even less talented.
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>>124745699
then why is all your shit deleted?
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>>124746511
>Monogatari makes plebs feel smart
I have no idea why people keep saying this, I've never heard of anyone pretending it's a "deep" show. It's generally agreed to have great characters but that hardly makes it "smart".
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>>124746588
The files were deleted, but I'm not entirely sure why.
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>>124746595
Because idiots trying to justify why too much talking is bad fall back on pretending it's pretentious.
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>>124743986
It's pretty popular in the west, you know.

Monogatari has lots of language stuff as well. Wordplay forms the core of bake, at least. I don't think many westerners know enough Japanese to get much out of it. Not that Nisio's wordplay is all that often particularly clever...
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I want to give the LN translation a try, but the first volume isn't completed.

And I haven't even touched the first season.
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>>124746636
You know exactly why you faggot
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>>124746656
No, they fall back on the fact that it's a show about character interactions. If you want less talking go watch something else.

>>124746738
They've translated both the Nekos, Otori and Kizu. They're all pretty good
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I really don't like how most characters are stylized, most characters are simple enough that it's not a big deal but snail for example looks absolutely awful
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>>124746755
The photos weren't NSFW and they were related to the conversation.
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Lot of words, not a lot of action. Stuff like this doesn't really help it out in the west. Snail a best.

Still relatively popular though.
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>>124746831
what don't you like, specifically?
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>>124746656
>>124746784
Sorry, I had a brainfart there and read that as "idiots trying to justify why too much talking is good".

>>124746831
What do you mean by stylized?
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>>124743986
Too much dialogue, probably. No enough action or flashy events to keep casual western anime audience interested like UBW or SAO.
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>>124746461
If anything, it's the incest references that caused problems and got slapped with an 18 rating.
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>>124746461
exactly, seeing that shit in shops blew my mind considering all the things banned here
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>>124747351
>considering all the things banned here
Such as?
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>>124746461
It's got an 18 but that's it, unless it's literal porn they wouldn't ban it
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>>124746831
>not liking snail
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>>124747320
Only Nise got an 18 because of toothbrushing and Neko (both parts) did too for some reason, Bake and S2 except Neko White is all 15.
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>>124747320
>>124747544
Yeah i'm pretty sure that was the bat bath scene, not the toothbrushing.
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>>124747544
Nise and Neko do have the most fanservice. Surprised Oni was ok though, with all the near loli-rape in the first episode.
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>>124746915
>>124746944
How the characters are drawn, animated, colored, etc.
a character in a moe slice of life would look considerably different then if they were in a battle shounen.

I can't quite put my finger on it, I think it had to do with the colors and how characters look like they have light shined on them. >>124747508
This is a good example
>light from the left
>close up and the right side is bright
Why? It looks bad
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>>124747369
loli and any form of hentai of girls under 18
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>>124743986
Because is shit and japan has shit taste so they love it.
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>>124744292
>The purple who just yell "DEEP"
Are there even people who use deep unironically these days?
I don't think I ever witnessed anyone seriously saying that Monogatari is deep.
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>>124747659
That's shaft for you.

Don't talk shit about my waifu though.
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>>124747579
>the bat bath scene
I checked on the BBFC website, and it does look like that caused the 18 rating for episodes 1-4. 5-7 got a 15, but 8-11 got an 18 for incest references, among other things. The thing is, though, that the ratings are hopelessly inconsistent, and in general the distributors don't mind a higher rating because it makes the product seem more sophisticated.

>>124747717
You really need to study the Coroners and Justice Act 2009 because it's not as simple as that.
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>>124743986
>Wanting any series to be popular in the west
This is why we can't have nice things.
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>>124747911
>You really need to study the Coroners and Justice Act 2009
Oh gee, that sounds like fun!
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>>124747911
I'm aware of it but its just something that could end up being a whole load of trouble. Its better to play it safe for any company.
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>>124747911
>toothbrushing your imouto is sophisticated

The ratings board seem to know what they're talking about.
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>tfw i have become so desensitized to fan service and loli/incest shit that i nearly recommended this to my pleb friend
its a good show, i like it, but its not very accessible for people that dont really have much anime/manga "experience". A lot of the sexualized stuff is intended as a joke, like the toothbrush scene, but if you were watching this after only watching things like SAO/ SnK that scene would be enough to drop it, assuming the heavily sexualized lolis didnt get you to already. not to mention that since theres maybe one action/fight scene every 3 or 4 episodes theres no way to get the shounen audience in on it
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>>124748149
>implying SAO didn't feature tentacle rape
>twice

And for no fucking reason either time.
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Because normalfags are retarded about lolicon
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>>124747659
How is the light from the left when it's zoomed out? It's from above and slightly right both times.
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>>124747911
>in general the distributors don't mind a higher rating because it makes the product seem more sophisticated.
You mean they don't mine because 15/18 keeps mumsnet away. If something like that got a 12 ever you just know some retarded kid would buy it and because of mumsnet the daily mail would have a front page with BAN THIS SICK FILTH in huge letters the next day
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>>124748220
thats true, i think id tried to push that out of my head. that shit was so fucking out of place, right along with asuka nearly being raped by that one dude. its like they almost managed to suppress their power levels while making it but then it just broke through a couple times
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>>124748101
This sorta thing happens all the time though, teenagers, sorry "young adults" will think anything slightly serious and adultish must be super sophisticated. Strange how they try so hard to be grown up while adults watch stuff like Avengers
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>>124748303
Oh god, the mums would go apeshit on this one.
>My son will never look at a toothbrush the same way again!
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>>124748332
It happens in reverse too.
People see nudity and eroticism and immediately think shallow trash.
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>>124743986

If this "cult" here is considered small, holy shit, I don't even want to imagine what it's like in Japenis. I'm dissapoint, sudoku now.
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Too many words for typical American animefags. I should know, I'm one of them.
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>>124743986
>Monogatari
Because this is shit for pussies
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>>124743986
>Is it because it hasn't really been localized?
Yes.
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>>124748542
It has sales figures on par with Evangelion in Japan.
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>>124748549
cat is terrible m8
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>>124748662
Keep in mind I'm talking about US fans. Be gentle, anons...

The OP was asking why Monogatari isn't popular in "the west". I like Monogatari as much as the next guy, but something like Eva was infinitely more marketable here in the US than Monogatari.

>Captcha was cheeseburgers
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>>124748925
>Captcha was cheeseburgers
I've had 2 cheeseburger captchas in this thread so far. Google must be going full freedom
>one cheeseburger picture had mountain dew
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>>124748662
Was meant for
>>124748480
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Because West is at the very pinnacle of shaming sex in media, especially from the male point of view. Something like Monogatari would never have taken off in our current political and cultural climate.
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I don't get this. Monogatari is still one of the most popular anime among western fans.
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>>124749269
It's more how vilified paedophilia is here.
Araragi's antics would horrify most of the US
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