I just marathoned Yuuki Yuuna. I really did like it, but from what I remember, there are people who deny that it's heavily influenced by Madoka. I'm not saying it's a clone or a ripoff...but this is a concept that would not have been come up with pre-Madoka. The parallels are so extensive I don't even think they bear mentioning. I mean, even the music is extremely similar.
The thing is:
Madoka was ....meh
Kyouko was kinda okay but Sayaka and Homura were
witches and Mami was kinda irrelevant.
In YuYuYu by the end of the Series I actually wanted them to feel happy.
If you want to know everything about YuYuYu you should check out the Prequel Novel
And the Epilogue
There is also a translation of The VN and of some events from the Vita game.
Also the second VN will be released next month.
I hope you actually are interisted in this and I am not just annoying you.
>this is a concept that would not have been come up with pre-Madoka
Look out boys, we got an anime expert on our hands.
>the music is extremely similar
Are you deaf?
I have downloaded the entire Yuuki Yuuna OST but I dont even rember anything but the OP and ED from Madoka.
I never understood the Madoka Hype at all.
Its like people are just watching it for the sake of seing little girls suffer.
I don't know about OP, but I certainly am. Thanks anon.
I actually liked YuYuYu's more, though people rave about the films' soundtracks, I honestly don't remember them much. Season 1 of Rinne no Lagrange is still my favourite OST so far.
Now go read the prequel Washio Sumi/ WaSuYu novel. You can get the PDF here >>124735977
If you like to read in epub
It's perfectly okay to admit they aped Madoka in every way they could. In fact, they copied it so hard that when it came time to do something other than suffering, something original, the plot fell completely apart. Nothing wrong with that, everyone copies their betters.
>The parallels are so extensive I don't even think they bear mentioning.
No, please go ahead.
>even the music is extremely similar.
Not particularly. The music is much more closer to Nier's soundtrack since it's the same composer and one of the singers is the same. Madoka's music was more heavy on orchestral strings and woodwinds while YuYuYu uses more percussion, piano, acoustic guitar and bells creepy/eerie sounds. Madoka's gibberish language is used in a way that's meant for you to focus more on the tune the voices are singing. The "lyrics" are soft. YuYuYu's gibberish language is meant to be eerie in that you don't quite know what they're saying. The chanting is jarring and uses hard sounds.
As weeb who likes to play anime music, I notice that Madoka's OST has catchier melodies and solos like in Decretum and Credens Justitiam, so they're easier to perform. But I find YuYuYu's OST is a better listen because a lot of the songs have a real sense of urgency and each instrument has an important contribution.
It's sort of like how the Puella Magi system encourages individuality due to competition while the Hero System encourages teamwork since everyone's working toward the goal of "don't let the world end". (Except Togo)
So aside from all the incoming doujins in Yuyuyu Only event in July, there'll be a combined YURI ONLY book (not R-18) planed to be released on C88.
They're recruiting for more artists now (there're already 6 people at the moment).
You're totally right: YuYuYu is a mahou shoujo anime, and as we all know, Madoka was the first mahou shoujo anime ever made. More people need to realize that YuYuYu, Sympogear, Nanoha, Sailor Moon, Precure, and every other mahou shoujo ever made is just a ripoff of Madoka.
Except not, go fuck yourself.
Yuyuyu got the happy ending that PMMM might never get
You missed out not watching it with /a/. The non-stop threads in that one week before Christmas were something else.
I don't watch to see little girls suffer, I watch to because I hope to see little girls stop suffering. You can only show the light parts properly when you've also shown the darkness to contrast them, which is why Yuyuyu's ending was 500% concentrated industrial grade healing, even if it was too short.
Come on, are you going to tell me these two tracks don't sound pretty similar:
I guess you misunderstood me.
I totally understand the "I want to see them happy" thing.
Thats why I love the YuYuYu ending in the first place.
Now look at rebellion.
I don't get that feeling there.
If Madoka was just the Series and not the Movies I'd say its good but Rebellion just made it so much worse to me.
Not that guy, but you can't really deny that Madoka and YuYuYu are different from magical girl shows like Sailor Moon insofar as the emphasize suffering (i.e. what would it really be like if a bunch of schoolgirls were given magical powers and forced to give Lovecraftian horrors).
Why is Fuu such a bad sister and friend? She didn't even ask any of the girls "Hey, do you want to potentially get killed fighting these monsters?" she just signed them up without asking.
But they couldn't get killed anyway! Besides the point, potentially dying to save the world is better than the world ending for certain. She did regret it when her friends actually had to suffer for her choice though, her strong reaction to that guilt moved me.
Happy birthday Fuu!
They had the right to know what they were doing. If they hadn't done it, someone could have taken their place. They weren't the only ones capable of using those powers. At least Mami didn't force all the girls to become magical girls and told them it was dangerous in advance.
Bitch, pls. Be thankful you get to fight for Shinju-sama, not every little girl is that blessed.
The BDs aren't even complete yet, the last one comes out next month.
Well first off, no character should be a perfect logical machine, they make mistakes, Fuu made a mistake. The world in YuYuYu is different from PM in that there are many more mahou shoujos than there are heroes, and that they know a lot more about what's happening in their world.
I believe what Fuu did was completely justifiable on her end, it was a matter of "get your friends to join this club and give them these mobile phones and the world won't be fucked over!". She did not know of the consequences that would come of it, but only the rewards.
That difference is more of a result of the change in MG's targeted audiences, not something Madoka specifically created nor started. Remember magical girl shows started shifting toward male otakus because of Nanoha. You don't have 25+ episode MG shows anymore (with the exception of Precure) that mix in dark themes and light heart'd moments like Sailor Moon anymore. That's partly what made Yuyuyu a good magical girls show because it went back to MS roots by mixing both.
>The world in YuYuYu is different from PM in that there are many more mahou shoujos than there are heroes, and that they know a lot more about what's happening in their world.
Well, that and the situation is a tad more apocalyptic. No one to fight the Vertex means end of the world, but if you leave a witch alone, aside from Waluigi they just kinda stand there and drive people to suicide sometimes.
Y: ...w-what should I do? What should I do...?!
Y: On our way to school, things've been super awkward between me and Tougou-san.
Y: ...in the first place, it's all because I went and did that...!
Y: ...even though I haven't even confessed to her yet.
Y: That's right. We're not lovers and yet I went and did such thing.
T: Yuuna-chan, you're so cruel.
T: And I thought you were my best friend...!
Y: If she thinks about me like that thenー!!
What should I doー!!
Though, it seems like that worry is completely unnecessary.
While I wouldn't go that far I do regret the fact that I'll probably never experience the Vita game sense it'll never get localized (plus I don't own a Vita)
Also keeping track of a jillion LN's and manga and VN's can be difficult. But I did really like the prequel LN, especially how they released it in sync with the anime airing.
People refuse to admit it because Yuuki Yuuna is the hipster's Madoka.
Popular enough that it gets fan content, but not so popular that it scares away people who hate anything too "mainstream".
Influenced yes but saying heavily influenced it's stretching it.
They have some similar themes but a lot of them are just common tropes of the MS genre. If anything Yuyuyu feels a lot more like traditional MS mixed with action shows while Madoka is called a deconstruction for a reason.
Deconstruction is not about being dark and edgy but about how it plays the dark and edgy moments in contrast to the light hearted ones.
Mahou shoujos are all about finding the light after a dark moment. There have allways been "dark and edgy" stuff in MS, Madoka didn't invent shit, but traditional MS always show some light even in the worst moments and that was what Yuyuyu was all about, how the girls were cheerful even while being crippled. Madoka on the other hand was about not letting those happy moments shine too much and always going down.
You'd think something so moe-based would scare away hipsters.
Again, I actually did like it, but I think that denying the similarities is silly. Basically, isn't the idea behind both, contrary to the Sailor Moons and even the Nanohas, to say nothing of the Precures, that Being meguca is suffering.
Little girls suffering has been an element for a long while -- just that it used to be mundane shit happening that magic couldn't help with; or the tension between being the magical girl and wanting a normal life with friends and such.
>but this is a concept that would not have been come up with pre-Madoka
Maybe in the alternative universe you came from.
I'll agree on the music though.
And while we are talking about shows that wouldn't exist without Madoka..
>The series was actually conceptualized before Madoka was made
My only Mahou Shoujo regret is that it didn't air before. I could just walk into any Madoka thread and call it a ripoff.
Having to fight for the survival of your civilization is suffering. Its just that in this show they swapped magical girls for soldiers for dramatic effect.
Yeah they sort of did this in Madoka, but in Madoka they had decided back in the planning stage that the ending was going to be dark and the ending of the TV series was just bait to get people to watch the movies. The Madoka staff always intended to sucker in as many people as possible and then shock them.
She was under direct orders from the Taisha, she didn't have a choice in the matter. All she could do is desperately hope that they wouldn't get chosen(of course, with Tougou having been a hero before and Yuuna having the highest aptitude of all applicants, there was no way they wouldn't be picked, but Fuu didn't know that)
Houkago no Pleiades is the reconstruction of mahou shoujo.
>and the ending of the TV series was just bait to get people to watch the movies.
Fucking wrong. Ending of the series was finished long before they even knew about any movies.
Stop spreading bullshit.
Did you mean to post this?
I really hope the stakes don't suddenly skyrocket due to multiverse shenanigans. It's refreshing to see magical girls doing cute magical things that don't involve fighting for survival and the like for once.
Someone in a thread unironically made this.
That was back when the first ep aired, right?
Fortunately we all know the truth.
What? The article you posted clearly contradicts what you said. You know that's from the Rebellion movie booklet thing, right? He's talking about when he was writing the script for Rebellion, not the TV series.
>Deconstruction is not about being dark and edgy but about how it plays the dark and edgy moments in contrast to the light hearted ones.
You're talking out of your ass. There were only like 2 lighthearted moments in all of Madoka. There was no contrast. It was relentlessly dark. "Deconstruction" is a meaningless term anyway. It's not a dictionary-defined term in the context you're using it, the only place I can find an actual definition for this term is that fucking TVtropes website. Do we need to explain to you what kind of bullshit TVtropes is? People need to just stop calling shit a "deconstruction."
Madoka didn't invent or change shit.
By that logic, we should have seen dozens of extremely wordy harems with pretentiously clever dialog pop up after bakemonogatari, and yet harem remained as it always had been. Without so much as a ripple in its flat, never changing landscape.
It's on the rec chart. Did Yuyuyu get put on here at some point?
That's what I heard and given the messed up fast pacing and the size of the world and the story compared to the size of the show it makes sense.
I'm one of the six people on here who actually liked that show a lot. ;_;
>an anime didn't change anything because another anime didn't change anything
I fail to see the logic.
If you mean that Bakemonogatari is a change from usual harem, then I'm going to tell you that it's because it's different that it's surely going to make ripples.
Besides, we're still on the short term, and nowadays, you have so many anime that nothing will ever make ripples like before.
Just like in music, earlier albums made profound impact and created new genres, it's impossible to have albums doing such feats nowadays because of the quantity, the widespread and the internet.
The Internet gather people with so many tastes that any thing with an "industry-changing" potential will, besides being swallowed into the mass, be criticized on and on by trolls, haters, hipsters.
Therefore, we no longer see anime and music and art (in general) as it is but as people see it because we influenced one another, and people who badmouth stuff as more likely to be better heard.
Hard to make ripples when the pond is frozen.
Her usual outfit is porn enouh though.
It's hard to change anything when people are close-minded and/or will always shit on anything just for fun.
For now, we're not only on the short term, but we're also drowning everything. But it would be silly to pretend Madoka isn't going to change anything, considering its popularity.
But anyway, I just wish more shows would do such a complete change of character as part of the transformation.
The thing is, I'm pretty sure you're expecting something on the scale of Evangelion, which came up in anime's dryest period. It's always easy to compare with the tenors, but the context just isn't the same.
It doesn't mean that Eva is better than Madoka, it's more a thing being that Eva came at the right time, a dry time for anime.
If Eva was to be released in the 2010s, people would have just seen it as a good show, but people would still criticize it for being tryhard, Shinji being a huge faggot, and because the ending is a joke.
Times are changin' and so should our perception.
Karin in maid costume is even better.
Official maid costume is on its way!
Maybe you should watch it and find out.
Karin would want to fuck Yuuna
walk her home gently