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I just marathoned Yuuki Yuuna. I really did like it, but from

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I just marathoned Yuuki Yuuna. I really did like it, but from what I remember, there are people who deny that it's heavily influenced by Madoka. I'm not saying it's a clone or a ripoff...but this is a concept that would not have been come up with pre-Madoka. The parallels are so extensive I don't even think they bear mentioning. I mean, even the music is extremely similar.
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>>124735116
But YuYuYu actually has a good cast unlike Madoka.
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>>124735441
I'm inclined to agree. Madoka's characters couldn't be more boring. At the end of Madoka I just felt frustrated, like I didn't ever want to see any of them ever again.
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>>124735116
>but this is a concept that would not have been come up with pre-Madoka
That's wrong.
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>>124735765
The thing is:
Madoka was ....meh
Kyouko was kinda okay but Sayaka and Homura were witches and Mami was kinda irrelevant.
In YuYuYu by the end of the Series I actually wanted them to feel happy.

If you want to know everything about YuYuYu you should check out the Prequel Novel
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/h4n9ln79yh9hg/yuyu

And the Epilogue
http://pastebin.com/rKp6rzfF

There is also a translation of The VN and of some events from the Vita game.

Also the second VN will be released next month.

I hope you actually are interisted in this and I am not just annoying you.
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>>124735116
>this is a concept that would not have been come up with pre-Madoka
Look out boys, we got an anime expert on our hands.

>the music is extremely similar
Are you deaf?
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>>124736048
I have downloaded the entire Yuuki Yuuna OST but I dont even rember anything but the OP and ED from Madoka.
I never understood the Madoka Hype at all.
Its like people are just watching it for the sake of seing little girls suffer.
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>>124735977
I don't know about OP, but I certainly am. Thanks anon.

>>124736048
I actually liked YuYuYu's more, though people rave about the films' soundtracks, I honestly don't remember them much. Season 1 of Rinne no Lagrange is still my favourite OST so far.
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>>124735765
Now go read the prequel Washio Sumi/ WaSuYu novel. You can get the PDF here >>124735977

If you like to read in epub
http://www.mediafire.com/download/s79xvf4z977144j/Washio_Sumi_wa_Yuusha_de_aru_-_Takahiro.epub
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It's perfectly okay to admit they aped Madoka in every way they could. In fact, they copied it so hard that when it came time to do something other than suffering, something original, the plot fell completely apart. Nothing wrong with that, everyone copies their betters.
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>>124735116
>The parallels are so extensive I don't even think they bear mentioning.
No, please go ahead.

>even the music is extremely similar.
Not particularly. The music is much more closer to Nier's soundtrack since it's the same composer and one of the singers is the same. Madoka's music was more heavy on orchestral strings and woodwinds while YuYuYu uses more percussion, piano, acoustic guitar and bells creepy/eerie sounds. Madoka's gibberish language is used in a way that's meant for you to focus more on the tune the voices are singing. The "lyrics" are soft. YuYuYu's gibberish language is meant to be eerie in that you don't quite know what they're saying. The chanting is jarring and uses hard sounds.
As weeb who likes to play anime music, I notice that Madoka's OST has catchier melodies and solos like in Decretum and Credens Justitiam, so they're easier to perform. But I find YuYuYu's OST is a better listen because a lot of the songs have a real sense of urgency and each instrument has an important contribution.

It's sort of like how the Puella Magi system encourages individuality due to competition while the Hero System encourages teamwork since everyone's working toward the goal of "don't let the world end". (Except Togo)
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So aside from all the incoming doujins in Yuyuyu Only event in July, there'll be a combined YURI ONLY book (not R-18) planed to be released on C88.
They're recruiting for more artists now (there're already 6 people at the moment).
http://twipla.jp/events/128679
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>even the music is extremely similar

So uncultured it fucking hurts
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>>124735116
You're totally right: YuYuYu is a mahou shoujo anime, and as we all know, Madoka was the first mahou shoujo anime ever made. More people need to realize that YuYuYu, Sympogear, Nanoha, Sailor Moon, Precure, and every other mahou shoujo ever made is just a ripoff of Madoka.

Except not, go fuck yourself.
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>>124736951
Say what else you like about Yuyuyu, the OST was great.
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Yuyuyu got the happy ending that PMMM might never get
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I'll never understand /a/'s obsession with this shit.
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>>124737029

>You're totally right: YuYuYu is a mahou shoujo anime, and as we all know, Madoka was the first mahou shoujo anime ever made

That's not what I meant at all, and you know it.
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You missed out not watching it with /a/. The non-stop threads in that one week before Christmas were something else.

>>124736110
I don't watch to see little girls suffer, I watch to because I hope to see little girls stop suffering. You can only show the light parts properly when you've also shown the darkness to contrast them, which is why Yuyuyu's ending was 500% concentrated industrial grade healing, even if it was too short.
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>>124736951

Come on, are you going to tell me these two tracks don't sound pretty similar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSX3qrNittw&index=2&list=PLB3F26D0237C4964A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzUu1LOCdrY&list=PLgdk9IM-qgVABj5z7VBnSPu_5RagiHo32&index=10
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>>124737379
I guess you misunderstood me.
I totally understand the "I want to see them happy" thing.
Thats why I love the YuYuYu ending in the first place.
Now look at rebellion.
I don't get that feeling there.
If Madoka was just the Series and not the Movies I'd say its good but Rebellion just made it so much worse to me.
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>>124737389
No, not at all. Get your ears checked.
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>>124737222
Then please, tell us the "parallels" it has with Madoka, since they're so "extensive". You know there aren't any except superficial ones that come with being the same genre.
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>>124737389
Ifu Doudou > Magia

The soundtrack for Yuuki Yuuna is worth a download.
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>>124737460
>but Rebellion just made it so much worse to me.
Because Rebellion isn't an ending.
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>>124737897
What is Rebellion then?
Is there going to be another Movie or am I missing something?
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It's the first of May!
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>>124737943
Oh, Fu's birthday event hasn't been translated yet. I'll get to that.
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>>124737943
Lets sing a song.
Happy birthday to Fuu
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>>124737912
Probably, eventually.
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>>124737560

Not that guy, but you can't really deny that Madoka and YuYuYu are different from magical girl shows like Sailor Moon insofar as the emphasize suffering (i.e. what would it really be like if a bunch of schoolgirls were given magical powers and forced to give Lovecraftian horrors).
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>>124737943

Why is Fuu such a bad sister and friend? She didn't even ask any of the girls "Hey, do you want to potentially get killed fighting these monsters?" she just signed them up without asking.
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>>124737943
She's a big girl.
Fuur you.
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>>124738070
But they couldn't get killed anyway! Besides the point, potentially dying to save the world is better than the world ending for certain. She did regret it when her friends actually had to suffer for her choice though, her strong reaction to that guilt moved me.
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>>124737943
http://a.pomf.se/wajkdl.wma
Happy birthday Fuu!
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>>124736259
If only Yoko Taro involved in the writing...
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New strip from our favorite artist.
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>>124738037
So madoka copied nanoha too ?
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>>124738206
Anyone have an idea what is being said?
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>>124738206
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>>124738173

They had the right to know what they were doing. If they hadn't done it, someone could have taken their place. They weren't the only ones capable of using those powers. At least Mami didn't force all the girls to become magical girls and told them it was dangerous in advance.
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BD rips where?
I want to rewatch this.
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>>124738479
>aristocratic theocracy
>rights
Bitch, pls. Be thankful you get to fight for Shinju-sama, not every little girl is that blessed.
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>>124738574
The BDs aren't even complete yet, the last one comes out next month.
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>>124738628
Hello there Shinju-sama, why don't you take a seat over there?
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>>124735116
Someone explain 2deep ending plz.

Did they threaten a /god/ and extract concessions from it?
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>>124738734
Read Sonoko After, and if you haven't already Washio Sumi as well. Links are in this thread.
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>>124738479
Well first off, no character should be a perfect logical machine, they make mistakes, Fuu made a mistake. The world in YuYuYu is different from PM in that there are many more mahou shoujos than there are heroes, and that they know a lot more about what's happening in their world.

I believe what Fuu did was completely justifiable on her end, it was a matter of "get your friends to join this club and give them these mobile phones and the world won't be fucked over!". She did not know of the consequences that would come of it, but only the rewards.
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>>124738037
That difference is more of a result of the change in MG's targeted audiences, not something Madoka specifically created nor started. Remember magical girl shows started shifting toward male otakus because of Nanoha. You don't have 25+ episode MG shows anymore (with the exception of Precure) that mix in dark themes and light heart'd moments like Sailor Moon anymore. That's partly what made Yuyuyu a good magical girls show because it went back to MS roots by mixing both.
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>>124738830
>The world in YuYuYu is different from PM in that there are many more mahou shoujos than there are heroes, and that they know a lot more about what's happening in their world.
Well, that and the situation is a tad more apocalyptic. No one to fight the Vertex means end of the world, but if you leave a witch alone, aside from Waluigi they just kinda stand there and drive people to suicide sometimes.
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>>124738813
Oh, FFS.

So the ending made no sense because they asspulled and then retconned it?

What ever happened to just telling a complete story?
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>>124738963
No? You're taking a multimedia project, barely reading a bit of it and then complaining that you're missing stuff.
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>>124738963
No, this is a multimedia project, it always was.
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>>124738963
>asspulled and retconned
No, ending was planned to happen. Plenty of hints throughout the series for it.
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>>124737943
>>124738005
http://pastebin.com/VZtVUDgi
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>>124738206
Y: ...w-what should I do? What should I do...?!
Uhhー

Y: On our way to school, things've been super awkward between me and Tougou-san.
Y: ...in the first place, it's all because I went and did that...!

Y: ...even though I haven't even confessed to her yet.

Hah!
Y: That's right. We're not lovers and yet I went and did such thing.

T: Yuuna-chan, you're so cruel.
T: And I thought you were my best friend...!

Y: If she thinks about me like that thenー!!
What should I doー!!

Though, it seems like that worry is completely unnecessary.
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>>124739027
Fuck "multimedia projects".
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>>124739156
You only have yourself to blame for picking one up.
I agree it's not ideal, but making and airing anime has its owns restrictions and this is better than nothing.
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>>124738260
It also copied Minky Momo in having a magical girl die and be given the choice to revive, but refuse.
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>>124739146
>>124739151
Thanks anons
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>>124739156
Most of the material available is translated. You can only blame yourself for being too lazy to even read the epilogue.
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>>124739156
While I wouldn't go that far I do regret the fact that I'll probably never experience the Vita game sense it'll never get localized (plus I don't own a Vita)

Also keeping track of a jillion LN's and manga and VN's can be difficult. But I did really like the prequel LN, especially how they released it in sync with the anime airing.
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>>124735116
People refuse to admit it because Yuuki Yuuna is the hipster's Madoka.

Popular enough that it gets fan content, but not so popular that it scares away people who hate anything too "mainstream".
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>>124735116
Influenced yes but saying heavily influenced it's stretching it.
They have some similar themes but a lot of them are just common tropes of the MS genre. If anything Yuyuyu feels a lot more like traditional MS mixed with action shows while Madoka is called a deconstruction for a reason.
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>>124739608
>deconstruction
I'm getting tired of this meme. Dark and edgy != deconstruction.
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>>124739146
Thanks a lot anon.
By the way, here's the link to playthrough with it if anyone's interested: https://youtu.be/MY_rWn0SGLg?t=17m38s
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>>124739686
Deconstruction is not about being dark and edgy but about how it plays the dark and edgy moments in contrast to the light hearted ones.
Mahou shoujos are all about finding the light after a dark moment. There have allways been "dark and edgy" stuff in MS, Madoka didn't invent shit, but traditional MS always show some light even in the worst moments and that was what Yuyuyu was all about, how the girls were cheerful even while being crippled. Madoka on the other hand was about not letting those happy moments shine too much and always going down.
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>>124739151
>>124738206
Bueno?
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>>124739561

You'd think something so moe-based would scare away hipsters.

Again, I actually did like it, but I think that denying the similarities is silly. Basically, isn't the idea behind both, contrary to the Sailor Moons and even the Nanohas, to say nothing of the Precures, that Being meguca is suffering.
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>>124735441
Wrong

tl;dr; YuYuYu is Madoka ripoff. Bad one at that. The pacing is fucked up. Characters retarded and nonbelievable. Ending is massive copout.
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>>124740561
>Characters retarded and nonbelievable
Madoka says hi!
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>>124740561
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>>124740603
How?
Characters in Madoka are believable in their actions and motivations.
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>>124740614
God damn you I was about to post that one.
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>>124740509
Little girls suffering has been an element for a long while -- just that it used to be mundane shit happening that magic couldn't help with; or the tension between being the magical girl and wanting a normal life with friends and such.
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Google the definition of the word deconstruction. Madoka fits that description.
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>>124735116
>but this is a concept that would not have been come up with pre-Madoka

Maybe in the alternative universe you came from.
I'll agree on the music though.
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And while we are talking about shows that wouldn't exist without Madoka..
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>>124740876
>The series was actually conceptualized before Madoka was made
My only Mahou Shoujo regret is that it didn't air before. I could just walk into any Madoka thread and call it a ripoff.
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>>124740951
It would be quite different. Just because "concept" existed before Madoka didn't mean they didn't change it to be more like Madoka to reel in fans.
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>>124740876
Weren't they trying to do another LN or something for that?
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>>124740509
Having to fight for the survival of your civilization is suffering. Its just that in this show they swapped magical girls for soldiers for dramatic effect.
Yeah they sort of did this in Madoka, but in Madoka they had decided back in the planning stage that the ending was going to be dark and the ending of the TV series was just bait to get people to watch the movies. The Madoka staff always intended to sucker in as many people as possible and then shock them.
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>>124738070
She was under direct orders from the Taisha, she didn't have a choice in the matter. All she could do is desperately hope that they wouldn't get chosen(of course, with Tougou having been a hero before and Yuuna having the highest aptitude of all applicants, there was no way they wouldn't be picked, but Fuu didn't know that)
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>>124740951
But you can.
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Houkago no Pleiades is the reconstruction of mahou shoujo.
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>>124741100
>and the ending of the TV series was just bait to get people to watch the movies.
Fucking wrong. Ending of the series was finished long before they even knew about any movies.
Stop spreading bullshit.
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>>124741125
>Gaim is a ripoff of Madoka
>Madoka is a ripoff of Ryuki
>Somehow Gaim and Ryuki are nothing alike
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>>124741125
Did you mean to post this?
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>>124741209
The article I posted clearly states you are wrong.
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I was thinking of watching this show, should i go with FFF subs or CR rips?

Or are the FFF subs just CR edits but with better quality video?
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>>124741232
Or this?
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>>124741252
Both are acceptable but I personally prefer FFF
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>>124741025
Yeah, at first it was supposed to be a SoL about gay schoolboys but then Madoka aired and changed the formula because Madoka changed anime.
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>>124741250
He is just lying / making shit up.

Before Rebellion was even heard of, he said he submitted his full script to Shinbo before they even started with production.
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>>124741156
It even has a male love interest like in the old mahou shoujo shows.
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>>124741156
I really hope the stakes don't suddenly skyrocket due to multiverse shenanigans. It's refreshing to see magical girls doing cute magical things that don't involve fighting for survival and the like for once.
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>>124741410
Keep telling yourself that if you want, but the truth is there in black and white.
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>>124740445


FULL

DOUJIN

WHEN
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>>124741156
Someone in a thread unironically made this.
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>>124741811
That was back when the first ep aired, right?
Fortunately we all know the truth.
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>>124741250
Urobuchi is talking strictly about the movie contents. The show was over and done with before the movies were announced.
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>>124741853
I know they're supposed to be the car grills, but even back in the web series, they looked like shaving razors to me.
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>>124741913
Thanks anon, now I can't unsee.
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>>124738836
It reminded me quite a lot of Mai Otome, but I'm never certain if it counts as a magical girl show. I mean, it's 'science', but it feels like a magical girl show.
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Why is she so great?
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>>124742493
I'd consider Mai Otome as a magical girl show.
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>>124741250
What? The article you posted clearly contradicts what you said. You know that's from the Rebellion movie booklet thing, right? He's talking about when he was writing the script for Rebellion, not the TV series.
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>>124742858
>You know that's from the Rebellion movie booklet thing, right?
>assuming he can read moon runes in the first place and isn't just shitposting
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>>124740175
>Deconstruction is not about being dark and edgy but about how it plays the dark and edgy moments in contrast to the light hearted ones.
You're talking out of your ass. There were only like 2 lighthearted moments in all of Madoka. There was no contrast. It was relentlessly dark. "Deconstruction" is a meaningless term anyway. It's not a dictionary-defined term in the context you're using it, the only place I can find an actual definition for this term is that fucking TVtropes website. Do we need to explain to you what kind of bullshit TVtropes is? People need to just stop calling shit a "deconstruction."
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>>124742610
STANDING
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>>124742610
She's Funtastic.
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>>124743756
ON THE EDGE
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Madoka didn't invent or change shit.

By that logic, we should have seen dozens of extremely wordy harems with pretentiously clever dialog pop up after bakemonogatari, and yet harem remained as it always had been. Without so much as a ripple in its flat, never changing landscape.
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>>124742493
>>124742680
It's on the rec chart. Did Yuyuyu get put on here at some point?
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>>124744078
I have never seen that before in my life.
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>>124743943
Who in their right mind would try to imitate NisiOisiN?
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>>124744078
>creamy mami
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>>124741913
>car grills
So they are magical grills?

>>124740951
My only regret is that it got cut from 2cour to 1cour and suffered badly from that.
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>>124744369
>2cour to 1cour
Did it?
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>>124744465

That's what I heard and given the messed up fast pacing and the size of the world and the story compared to the size of the show it makes sense.
I'm one of the six people on here who actually liked that show a lot. ;_;
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>>124744582
I'm one of the three people that wants were-Luna porn.
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>>124743943
>an anime didn't change anything because another anime didn't change anything

I fail to see the logic.
If you mean that Bakemonogatari is a change from usual harem, then I'm going to tell you that it's because it's different that it's surely going to make ripples.
Besides, we're still on the short term, and nowadays, you have so many anime that nothing will ever make ripples like before.

Just like in music, earlier albums made profound impact and created new genres, it's impossible to have albums doing such feats nowadays because of the quantity, the widespread and the internet.

The Internet gather people with so many tastes that any thing with an "industry-changing" potential will, besides being swallowed into the mass, be criticized on and on by trolls, haters, hipsters.

Therefore, we no longer see anime and music and art (in general) as it is but as people see it because we influenced one another, and people who badmouth stuff as more likely to be better heard.

Hard to make ripples when the pond is frozen.
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>>124744642

Her usual outfit is porn enouh though.
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>>124744801
>no nipples
>no pubes
>no lewd posing
eh
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>>124739561
>>124740509

Shut the fuck up, I'm a Madokafag and the similarities are superficial at best.
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>>124744710
It's not because it's different*

Sorry.
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>>124744710
So you agree with me that Madoka didn't change anything.
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>>124744841

Edit them in yourself.
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>>124744940
It's hard to change anything when people are close-minded and/or will always shit on anything just for fun.
For now, we're not only on the short term, but we're also drowning everything. But it would be silly to pretend Madoka isn't going to change anything, considering its popularity.
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>>124745027
I wish.
I'm incapable to even draw a stickman.
Nicely looking pubes are way above my artistic ability.
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>>124745108
Same here.

But anyway, I just wish more shows would do such a complete change of character as part of the transformation.
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>>124744940
The thing is, I'm pretty sure you're expecting something on the scale of Evangelion, which came up in anime's dryest period. It's always easy to compare with the tenors, but the context just isn't the same.

It doesn't mean that Eva is better than Madoka, it's more a thing being that Eva came at the right time, a dry time for anime.

If Eva was to be released in the 2010s, people would have just seen it as a good show, but people would still criticize it for being tryhard, Shinji being a huge faggot, and because the ending is a joke.

Times are changin' and so should our perception.
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>>124744078
Uta Kata might have been one of the most awkward animes I have ever seen
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>>124745467
background Tougo is my fave
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Wow, Karin in a blazer is a surprisingly good sight to see.
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>>124746196
I want to fuck her
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>>124746196
Karin in maid costume is even better.
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>>124746143
I thought that Fuu here >>124745567
with this "now I have officially seen everything" look on her face is hilarious. And great reaction image fodder for the future
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>>124746247
What did they do to that poor drawing? It looks like it drawn in 16:9 and then saved as 4:3, the are all elongated?
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>>124746247
Official maid costume is on its way!
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>>124746271
It's the doting wife thing for me. Or at least that's how it seems, I don't know how much the runes change the image. Fuu's face is fantastic though.
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Such an ikemen.
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I hated the ending and the slow ass pacing about halfway though. It was okay but I don't think it did much better then Madoka in telling a story.
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She wanted this so much.
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>>124737187
Maybe you should watch it and find out.
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>>124737943
HAPPY BIRTHDAY FUU
I LOVE YOU
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>>124745268
Eva is certainly better than Madoka.
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>>124737943
Happy Birthday!
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I want to fuck Yuuna.
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>>124748798
Togo or Karin, which ever of you posted this, this is a SFW board, go to /u/ if you want to talk about your sexual fantasies.
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>>124748914
Karin would want to fuck Yuuna
Tougou would walk her home gently
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Tougou did nothing wrong.
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