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So, why COULDN'T these two get along at all?

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So, why COULDN'T these two get along at all?
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Shirou isn't a bad enough dude to rape the maids.
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Because, at their worst, one is a sociopath and the other a psychopath.
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They're both eroge protagonists. Two harem masters cannot coexist.
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>>124680139
Didn't they get along well?
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>>124680139
>>124681984
They would steal each other harem.
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Ciel cucked Shiki for Shirou. High Jump >>> Tohno gland.
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Because 2 shitty self inserts can't coexist
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>>124683715
Not everyone saw the High jump scene.
While Tohno gland always active.
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>>124683728
Who the fuck self-inserts into either of them? They're both broken shells of humans.
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>>124683715
>Ciel

And nothing of value was lost
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>>124683791
I self-inserted into Shiki. Not Shirou though. He's a faggot.
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>>124683886
Unless you raped maids and have a severe hate for a certain chair, you're a faker. Which makes you more of a Shirou.
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>>124680139
Wouldn't the two of them teaming up in a fight make them unstoppable?
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>>124683859
New Ciel is very valuable.
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>>124683788
Incorrect, good sir. EVERYONE saw the high jump scene. Everyone.
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>>124683948
Why would Shiki need Shirou's help?
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Their values are irreconcilable. Shiki's edgy anti-hero worldview is exactly the kind of thing Shirou's uncompromising B/W wordview can't accommodate.

They'd be a legendary a good cop, bad cop duo.
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Shiki is jealous of Shirou's COOKING.
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>>124683948

Their powers and intellect have basically nothing to do with one another aside from the fact that they both fight with blades. Fuck no
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remind me, how many years was Irisviel born before Ilya? I just need to be sure
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>>124683859
Ciel a love
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>>124680139
who says they didn't?
I don't recall either of them particularly hating each other or anything, in fact, didn't they cooperate together to form the dating plan?
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Because Shiki T is old and busted.
Shiki R is new hotness.
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>>124683948
If Shiki knew archery or Shirou had the Mystic Eyes of Depth Perception then that would be unstoppable.
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>>124684132
But Shiki came before Shiki, anon.
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>>124683859
>Talking shit about best Tsukihime excluding Kohaku
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>>124684162
When do you think the novels were originally written?
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>>124684181
>comparing a pretty good Tsukihime to the worst thing in the Nasuverse
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Kohaku a cute
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>>124684132
>Lover boy
Should Shiki have sex with Shiki?
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>>124684333
depends who's taking the lead
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>>124683715
REDESIGN SENPAI IS BEST SENPAI
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>>124681984
Rance and Koutarou get along just fine.
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>>124684333
No, Shiki should have sex with Shiki instead of Shiki.
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>>124684545
Fucking Fujoshit
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>>124684015
To be honest I kind of liked i when it was done with Sakura in F/SN. Then it was used in every spinoff involving Shirou and his harem. First I was mad, but now I just roll with it and have fun.
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>>124684523
Koutarou only has Miki though while Rance has...essentially every woman in the continent on his hyper weapon?
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>>124684599
>not wanting Shiki and Shki to go at it
fag
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>>124684641
>not wanting Shiki to control Shiki and make him fuck Shiki while Shiki watches
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>>124684700
>implying it wouldn't be better if it was Shiki fucking Shiki instead
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>>124684755
>not wanting Shiki 3P
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>>124684605
Rance doesn't

And Rance isn't dumb enough to go after Miki yet

And Kentarou isn't really an eroge protagonist
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>>124684015
Why is the Ryuudou temple guy whose name escapes me not translated?
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>>124685009
For the same reason you forgot his name.
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What does the Tohno gland mean?
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>>124680139
Ask someone who just finished Hollow Ataraxia anything
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>>124685107
if you eat bad food and drinks you'll develop stones in it
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>>124685009
The translator didn't know 1 of the kanji, he asked here but no one knew either.
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>>124685107
It's a vestigial organ now that we have the Emiya Gland.
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>>124685107
It's a gland inside certain eroge protagonists (Namely Shiki Tohno, who has one of the most severe cases) that sends out enzymes into the air that when aroused cause bitches to drop their panties.
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>>124685153
kidney? bladder? Are you talking about his penis?
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>>124685143
What makes Illya best girl? of Fate, Akiha is best in the Nasuverse.
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>>124685203
Does the Track & Field Gang also desire Shirou-sex?
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>>124685238
yea
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>>124685203
>16

His harem is literally half the size of Shiki's.

Why would we evolve to have weaker organs?
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>>124685255
Yes
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>>124685255
From left to right.
>"I-Is he serious?! He... me... WHA?"
>"I suppose it wouldn't be too bad."
>"What are you waiting for? Jack me up against the wall and fuck me until I'm hoarse from screaming."
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>>124685252
I like that amazing taste of yours right there
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>>124685263
Because having too strong of gland can be a bad thing. See Irish Elk.
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>>124685252
Ilya is the best Fate girl and Akiha is certainly the best Tsukihime, so I approve of your tastes, but Ryougi is the best Nasuverse girl.
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Can Shiki COOK? No? Then get this pleb the fuck out of here.
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Shirou is an ally of justice, Shiki is kind of amoral and keeps to himself.

Shirou believes in saving everyone

Shiki just wants to save the girls he likes.

Both are incredibly damaged goods, but Shirou is probably more constructive with his damage.

shirou's a better character
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>>124685496
I've always been unsettled by Shirou's high crotch arch. Please remove. At least Shiki has a manly bright orange and blue shirt.
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>>124685496
How can a sword even cook?
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>>124681984
>Implying Shiki wouldn't absorb Shirou's harem causing a massive meltdown
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>>124680139
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>>124685603
The reaction seems to be proceeding the other way, cuck.
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>>124685603
Gilgamesh decides to take both and they have to work together.
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>>124685661
>Gilgamesh doing something.

TOP KEK
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>>124685613
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>>124685624
Does Shiki have the most dangerous harem ever?
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>>124685713
It's probably up there just because of Arc.

Shirou's is more balanced in terms of power but Arc is literally a class of her own.
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Could Shirou make so many swords not even Shiki could kill them all?
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>>124685528
Shiki just want to live normal life after his sensei told him to value the life he got.
If Shirou met Aoko instead kiritsugu, she might tell him the same thing.

>>124685496
Normal cook ? yes.
Look at KT and CP.
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>>124685705
Taiga a best.
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>>124685764
Can't he just kill UBW
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>>124685801
He can't kill concepts, that's the other Shiki.
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Is Capsule Servant translated and if not, is there a possibility of it ever being translated?
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>>124685734
Actually I was thinking about Kohaku mostly, although Akiha deserves a mention as well.
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>>124685193
>>124685009

檀家
1. family which supports a temple; parishioner

I guess it would be something along the lines of,
>"I was going back home after visiting parishioner",
I don't blame that guy for not finding it, the kanji is small and looks like something else that isn't easily accessible online dictionaries.

Just in case that translator is here.
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>>124684114
8 years and 3 months
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>>124685906
Even if we factor them in, Arc is just too powerful to factor without it being so heavily skewed in Shiki's favor.

If you removed her, they're about equal given that Saber is Magic, Rin knows Magic, Sakura is Sakura, and Taiga is unbeatable with a sword for some reason. And if Sakura is in the harem, so is Rider. Then we have Bazett, Caren, Ilya,

In general Shirou's chain of allies is bigger and all of them are medium to heavy hitters.

Shiki has fewer but still largely powerful girls.

I guess it'd be like the Gate of Bablyon of Harems, he'd just keep endlessly throwing the powerful women in his life at someone until they're overpowered.

Arc on the other hand is an Ea level threat so anything with her even approaching full power is Shiki's win.
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Could Shiki kill Shirou's harems?
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>>124684019
Because Shirou can easily kill servants while Shiki can't.
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>>124686099
He would but then Shirou would become a counter guardian and hope to kill Shiki before he does it.
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>>124685834
>Kills a corridor

Yes, he can. The 666 animals of Nero is a kind of reality marble as well. He can kill concepts, he's just not as suited to it as Ryougi. He kills the poison in his veins in KT.
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Could Shiki kill the love these women have for him?
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Why is Shiki so gar
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>>124680139
Is that Kenji?
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>>124686274
Because insanity is cool as fuck.
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>>124686274
Because he's really, really crazy.
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>>124686274
Because he is a self insert.
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tsukihime 2 when
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>>124686307
>>124686287
>>124686274
Beacuse it was nasu baby first self insert/wish fulfillment mc.
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>>124686333
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>>124686374
shiki you dropped your knives again we don't have money to get more you always do this
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>>124686372
yet it was miles better than fate series
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Tsukihime anime by ufotable when?
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>>124685613
>>124685705
Where do these kind of edits come from?
I kind of understand what its going on in them, but never knew where it all began.
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>>124686405
this nigga speaks the truth.
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>>124686408
Maybe when the rebooted VN comes out
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>>124685705
>>124685613
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Can Shiki kill Madara Uchiha?
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>>124686435
>>124686405
Thats a nice bait, but if you are serious its beacuse with shiki you could self insert.
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>>124686554
He cant even kill servants how could he kill six paths edo tensei madara.
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>>124686613
I can't really self insert as a murderapist though
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>>124686643
Shiki can kill Servants, he just can't defeat them.
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>>124686643
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>>124686430
look up 特別な気分

also lurk more
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>>124686697
>Fan doujin.

To the trash it goes.
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>>124686696
Can Shiki kill Hisui though?
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>>124686779
>ever wanting to kill best girl
Not even Shiki is that depraved
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>>124680222
You do realize that both those terms mean the same thing.
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>>124686613
>Rape the Maids
>Literally going insane
>Sees a pretty girl, first instinct is to slit her throat

I don't know how the fuck you self insert as Shiki my nigga.
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>>124686439
So never?
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>>124686696
Shiki can kill Servants.
Servants can and likely will kill Shiki too.
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>>124686858
Why don't I remember this CG?
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>>124686907
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>>124686933
It's from KT.
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>>124686933
It's Kagetsu Tohya, the sequel
Play it right now
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>>124685734
Arc is so damn broken in universe that she could count as dust. Ciel is, in the events of the VN, almost completely immortal and apparently has magical ability at least equal if not greater than Rin, also hellbent on revenge. Kohaku's downright fucked in the head. Akiha's potentially the same, possibly becoming a ticking time bomb with a seriously bad hair day. Sacchin's Sacchin. Hisui's probably the safest he's got.

On the bright side, he won't have to deal with dickworms.
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Because Shiki is not used to seeing dead bodies.
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>>124687027

Shiki MAKES dead bodies.
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>>124687027
He's used to making dead bodies.
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>>124685603
It would be the opposite actually.
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>>124687047
>>124687052
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>>124687061

That's because Ciel got to try some of Shirou's homemade curry, and then immediately jumped his bones.
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>>124687016
Ciel is a complete monster. Rin's a "genius", but Ciel's above even that.

>Also, the capacity of Ciel was ridiculously large. If a regular magus' gas tank was 40, then Ciel's was more than 4000. She truly deserved the name Miss Glutton.

Not only that, but she has knowledge of most of Roa's kit, which includes even Age of the Gods spells.
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>>124687061
Currybutt being a slut is nothing new.
She's deadweight in an otherwise loyal harem.
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Because Shirou does not wear this shirt.
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>>124687127
Of course he has better husband qualities than Shiki, of course he would steal his harem.
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>>124680139
Because Nasu says they won't. That's literally it. Next question please.
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>>124687201
Can Shiki kill servants?
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>>124687201
Can Shiki charm servants?
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>>124687155
Well that tears it, Shirou couldn't handle Shiki's harem without two miracles and ten asspulls.
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>>124687306

What servants would willingly sleep with him/let him rape them?
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Hate to say something like this but the DEEN OST is like a hundred times better than the ufotable version
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>>124687201
Can Shirou rape maids?
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>>124687243
Yes but not as good a Shirou, next.
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>>124687047
>>124687052
Shiki's mind go crazy whenever he saw a limb or two.
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>>124687004
Is it really worth it? I liked tsukihime, but not as much to immediately jump into KT, am playing Phenomeno right now and wow, it's great.
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>>124687201
>Because Nasu says they won't
Nasu contradict himself all the time. We on /a/ know more about Fate and Tsukihime then he does so why should we care about his uneducated opinion?
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>>124684865
>not wanting Shikitrain

CHOO CHOO
ALL ABOARD
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>>124687387
He could, but he chooses not to.
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>>124687384
The OST was the only good part of the DEEN version.
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>>124687504

Does Sella really want the Shirou D?
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>>124687384
Is Shiro White?
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>>124687564
Everyone wants the Shirou D, what's your problem
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>>124687565

He's the White Man anon.
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>>124687331
>The White Princess of the True Ancestors and Voice of the Planet
>#7 of the Burial Agency and former incarnation of the Serpent of Akasha
>A ridiculous freak of nature whose innate potential was so great that she completely skipped all the stages of vampirism and went straight to the rank of Dead Apostles in a single night, and on top of that, awoke to a Reality Marble despite having zero experience in thaumaturgy. Didn't even have the advantage of being exposed to an alternate future self to help things along.
>One of the most well-made familiars in existence, a dream succubus who exists in a realm beyond any familiar below Ghost Liners.
>The representative-equivalent of Atlas and potential successor of TATARI, one of the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostle Ancestors.

To be frank, Shiki's harem is composed entirely of monsters. Even Kohaku's a master manipulator who could potentially put even Kotomine to shame.
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>>124687564
Shirou turns even married heterosexual men into squealing lovestruck fangirls.
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>>124687660

But he's a widower. His wife is dead.
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>>124687614
>Shiki's harem is composed entirely of monsters
Are you saying Hisui a monster too ?
Rude
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>>124687705
I NEED more loli Caren in my life
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>>124687717
Robots are not human therefore are monsters
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>>124687705
That happy Caren.
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>>124687717
>Can pull chairs out of nowhere and bash you over the head with them
>Can shoot blasts made of pure darkness
>Has a pseudo-Reality Marble

She's deadlier than most Servants.
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>>124687614
Can we include the cute future seer?
Assuming Melty Blood universe, add Saachin as a DA too.
And the demon sister.
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>>124687614
>Shiki's harem is composed entirely of mary sues
FTFY
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>>124687782
>Hisui
>a robot
This motherfucker right here
She shows some of the most emotion out of any nasuverse girl
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>>124687855
Akira's ability isn't all that great as it is. If she had more control over it, though, it would be nice.

Akiha is certainly decent, but she can probably get even more impressive. She just has to be careful not to go full Triple Red. At that point, she'd just be a monster, completely unable to return to being human.

As for Yumiduka:
>A ridiculous freak of nature whose innate potential was so great that she completely skipped all the stages of vampirism and went straight to the rank of Dead Apostles in a single night, and on top of that, awoke to a Reality Marble despite having zero experience in thaumaturgy. Didn't even have the advantage of being exposed to an alternate future self to help things along.
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>>124687907
Robot detected
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>>124687782
Are you implying Mecha Hisui ?
It's a robot but Shiki can't rape it.
It doesn't count.
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>>124687504
Shirou's so useless.
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They should team up and fight vampires together along with Ciel and Caren.
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>Rin's classmate, who was kidnapped by Gilles and Ryuunosuke. A young girl with a murky fate.
>In the first draft, I unthinkingly named her “Satsuki” and ended up getting punished by the original author. I had totally forgotten that Satsuki was Sacchin's real name—or rather, I had forgotten that Sacchin even had a real name at all! To all the Yumizuka Satsuki fans around the world, I humbly beg your forgiveness.
>Kinoko: “Urobuchi… please, a little consideration…”
>Gen: “But… without a 'Satsuki,' suffering isn't moe!”
>Well, anyway, a conversation like that may or may not have actually happened.
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>>124680139
Where can I watch this online in a good quality?
Pls help
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>>124687705
That's not true is it?
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>>124688028
Shirou saves himself for his soulmate. Shiki is a filthy slut.
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>>124688110

It is. And then Kirei cried, not because she was bead, but because part of him wished he had killed her himself. Kirei is really fucked up.
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>>124688156
>not because she was bead
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>>124688156
I mean the picture - Caren being Kotomine's daughter, I don't know how I could have missed that one
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If Ciel has such monstrous magic ability why does she never cast anything in Tsukihime? Was Nasu's magic system not invented until later on in Fate or something?
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>>124688189
It's implied maybe 3 times in HA by Lancer and Gil, Shirou, and even herself in a roundabout way. and then at the end when they're walking up the stairs
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>>124688084
Help me out here pls
Im new to anime and I just watched Fate/Zero
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>>124688110
>>124688156
Kotomine took her as his wife 'cause she was terminally ill with only a few years left to live. She bore him a daughter. He got off on her, and their daughters, suffering, while she tried to save him.

He came to the conclusion that he shouldn't exist, he was a mistake, and was going to end his life. When he went to tell her, she decided to kill herself to prove that he could feel sadness and deserved to live.

He felt sad and cried, but only that he wasn't the one to kill her.

It did kinda save him though.
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>>124688329
Wtf spoiler that shit you double nigger
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Incredibly different personalities

Hard working compared to lazy
Work to get where you are compared to natural talent

Blah blah, you fill in the rest. They've very different people, the more you think about it the more obvious it will become.
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>>124688206
She doesn't like relying on Roa's knowledge. She generally doesn't like using thaumaturgy in general. Usually, she just limits herself to her Mystic Eyes and Sacraments.
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>>124688318
You've already fucked up watching f/z as the first one. Just forget about the whole franchise.
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>>124688456
Why? I've heard it's a lot better, but I'm still interested in the series.
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Don't you see that the "story" is secondary to the "experience". Go watch Nickelodeon for "stories". Fate/stay night is something more than that. It's an entire living, breathing world. And it poetically mirrors the horrors in our world.

The anime writes the story on centuries of history. Conquest, technology, expansion, death... It's all there.

Nasu's canvas is far too large for small men to behold, I suppose.

My words are failing to sway you? We're in disagreement over art... Which is roughly analogous to dancing about architecture.

Fate/stay night is an aesthetic experience. I can't tap into your nervous system and make you see what I see, but I can try to explain the soaring heights Fate/stay night sent the show going public to.

Citing sources is a pedantic exercise. And besides, this is a forum for those to kick back and appreciate great art: a bit like a gentleman's club in centuries past. Here we chomp our cigars and wax poetic about the great works and the unanswerable questions.

I must say that you've made a pariah of yourself at this club. What is instantly evident to us (the mastery of Nasu's Fate) isn't something you grasp. It's an exercise on futility to educate on the whys and wherefores of cinema. Suffice it to say you have proven yourself a dunce among gentlemen. I consider my point carried and Fate again redeemed.
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>>124688475
read the VN instead
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>>124688360
Shits old news man.

It's like saying shiki doesn't have very long to live after tsukihime, or Illya would die regardless soon after fate.
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>>124688475
If you would have been really interested, you'd be actually playing VN right now.
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>>124688498
>>124688515
Okay where can I play it
>>124688503
I don't know what those words mean
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>>124688498
>>124688515

That may sound like a hominem as populum, but so is telling a schizophrenic man he isn't really seeing ghosts. When the entire community of learned anime connoisseurs clearly sees a work of genius, it's an act of insane vanity to attack it.
Fate and Nasu are simply beyond you, those of you in disagreement. I wish I could help you, but I fear there's no fixing stupid.
Dancing atop this fathomless ocean of meaning is Nasu's story. It revels in all that lies beneath, but only suggests... Only hints. He leaves it to you to draw the myriad connections he's put in the anime.
But this requires, you see, some understanding of history, science, imperialism, philosophy, theology, astronomy, and anthropology.
Fuyuki City is simply too grand a creation for some to come to terms with. Maybe one day you'll grow up enough to "get" it. I've seen it about 15 times and I'm still learning.
Fate/stay night grounds its storytelling in solid plotting instead of messianic symbolism: which is actually harder to pull off and requires more craftsmanship but doesn't impress the pretentious teenagers.
'What is a hero? What is the significance of an ideal?' Nasu begs these questions, among others. He expressed a refreshing taste of philosophy that delved into epistemology and ontology, along with a thirst for the truth which I related with to the nth degree.
There's pretty much unanimous consensus among scholars that Fate/stay night is an eastern masterpiece... One of the very few that stands shoulder-to-shoulder with Citizen Kane or Lawrence of Arabia.
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>>124688535
On your computer. You're a filthy tripfag, so just use Fuwanovel version.
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