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He tells one girl that he likes her (when he didn't) to diffuse a social ticking time bomb and everyone thinks 8man needs therapy.

What the fuck?
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This isn't the first time he did something like that and he was planning to do something like it again. He has a problem.
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>>124583197
I don't get the problem. He doesn't care about those people, so why does it matter?
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>>124583764
I see you're starting to realize the entire point of the fucking show.
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>>124583077
In my opinion the author is emphasising the whole martyr thing way too much and is making the whole conflict - which actually is a non-issue - look like huge drama. The author has a good eye for social fabric, but he didn't manage to build up this conflict really well. The problem solving club as the primary motor behind simply doesn't work that well when it comes to more complex issues simply because it's not believable for people to actually seek personal advice from a bunch of social misfits. And the coolest guy in town bowing to some loser and "respecting" him isn't really that believable either.
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>>124583948
Too many buzzwords
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>>124584009
Too subhuman to respond to a post in a civilised manner.
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>>124584009
Not that guy, but how could you not follow that?
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>>124583948
You forgot to capitalize key words.
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The only thing this season has done is just absolutely cement Yui as best girl.
Which is definitely enough to keep me watching. She is the only ray of sunshine in an otherwise dark despair filled dungeon of a show. Even the imouto has gotten depressing.
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>social ticking time bomb
what's that? something american?
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>>124584080
Maybe he doesn't English
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>>124584189
You forgot Iroha
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Now you know, evil is loved while good is despised.
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>>124583077
>He tells one girl that he likes her
Who?
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>>124584252
why people compare iroha with bane
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>>124584334
Ebina when he tried to avoid her turning down the other guy (hayatos friend).
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>>124583889
what is this expression trying to convey?
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>>124584393
Come on, you should know the DK shit is just forced beyond some vague similarities between 8-man and Batman.
The rest is just forcing it.
Best to ignore it lest you invite baneposting and THEN WHO'S CIA?
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>>124583764
There are people who care about him that don't like him doing it.
And if he doesn't care about those others, why does he sacrifice himself? They sure as hell don't want to see him make an ass of himself to solve their problems.
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>>124584516
Her surprise at just how tiny your cock is.

What does this expression convey?
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>>124584393
She's a big girl.
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>>124584516
YAHALLO
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>>124584189
http://a.pomf.se/hopsaf.webm
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>>124583077
That's an easy to miss thing there.
It wasn't an "omg, fake confession, dat self sacrifice" kind of thing. At least that part wasn't as important.
The issue is what that decision did to his club, the tension it created between him and Yukino and the fact it is breaking the club apart. And the reason that tension was created was not "self-sacrifice" but the fact he picked a superficial solution to protect the sensitive superficiallity of the relationships around Hina. The issue with that is that it betrayed the common belief they had with Yukino (the one he mentions in the next scene when he is picking up his bike) and thus the trust she had in him.
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>>124584525
I love bane/CIA posting...
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>>124584525
I liked the style in S1

S2 looks like everythings is covered in thin fog
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>>124584547
8inches up the butt
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>>124584547
Wrong hole
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>>124583948
At the end of the day, Yahari is a wish-fullfilment LN that borders on harem territory. It's not exactly surprising that the drama would be blown into ridiculous proportions, especially when it's the premise. Furthermore, having the popular 'jock' nice guy actually being a complete failure and douchebag is par for the course since the protagonist is on the other end of the spectrum and there has to be a 'villain'.

That said, I'm hoping the author doesn't go and make out Hayato to be a full retard/evil character, but rather that he can get over his issues together with 8man. Regarding with how much emphasis there is on Hachiman though, this probably won't happena nd you shouldn't expect anything else.
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>>124584393
Unlike some of the other comparisons where personalty/philosophy play into it, Iroha is Bane simply because she shows up late and is disruptive.
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>>124584531

because some bitch teacher forced him into some "solve normalfaggot problems" club and so he is just doing his job the best way he can.
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he given these people everything, he doesn't even owe them anything. why doesn't 8man just leave it and be with one of the girls that like him?
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>>124584568
The series continues this way, she very well may end up in my harem.
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>>124584634
That's CR's fault.
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>>124584696
Nothing is forcing anything on him anymore. He's doing it because he wants to.
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8man's just sucking his own dick.
He even says he's alone, when he's clearly not, just because he likes the sound of it.
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>>124584594
> it betrayed the common belief they had with Yukino (the one he mentions in the next scene when he is picking up his bike) and thus the trust she had in him.
I must have been high when I watched that part, what are you talking about?
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>>124584189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltqvpLeL5yA
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>>124584189
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>>124584628
Did you handler type that sentence out for you, or are you high enough on the autism spectrum where you can type cogent sentences?
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Threesome end or riot
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>>124584801
10/10
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>>124584707
>he given these people everything
Not everything.
Not yet.
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>>124583948
>And the coolest guy in town bowing to some loser and "respecting" him isn't really that believable either.
That's if you think the coolest guy is one dimensional, as in the only aspect of Hayama is his popularity. He's not just popular, he's also incredibly sympathetic. His awareness just isn't broad and that's why he didn't see people hating 8man for no good reason until now.

>because it's not believable for people to actually seek personal advice from a bunch of social misfits
That's why they didn't get get requests from none other than social misfits in the beginning. Then their reputation got better as a result. Now, that Yui and Yukinon are not social misfits and that the club has got things done, it makes sense for the more popular people to ask for help.

>In my opinion the author is emphasising the whole martyr thing way too much and is making the whole conflict - which actually is a non-issue - look like huge drama.
It's forced drama. It's the natural response people who are close to a guy who don't like seeing him act like he doesn't care about his social standing to the point where he's willing to be a martyr.

This guy is somehow right regarding your post. >>124584009
Albeit you're not really using buzzwords, you're trying to put things into labels to make it easier to understand. The problem with that is people tend to be go to the extreme and view things only in labels. A lot of people do with with books, shows and any other story-telling medium.
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>>124584707
Not everything, not yet.
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Why do all of these Chads keep wanting to fuck these social outcast girls?

Is this some kind of game for normies?
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>>124583077
>thats the only self sacrifice thing he has done
Did you not even watch the first season?
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>>124584651
>At the end of the day, Yahari is a wish-fullfilment LN that borders on harem territory. It's not exactly surprising that the drama would be blown into ridiculous proportions, especially when it's the premise. Furthermore, having the popular 'jock' nice guy actually being a complete failure and douchebag is par for the course since the protagonist is on the other end of the spectrum and there has to be a 'villain'.
I'm not sure whether it's out of place for Hayato to take the role of a villain character; what bothers me more is how the author glorifies Hachiman by making everyone around him recognise how super awesome he supposedly is. Certainly the whole thing is limited to a handful of characters who supposedly are rather "special" in their own way, but it still conflicts with his supposed loser status that he's given so much attention. In the beginning, the author was more eager to put Hachiman down, have the world ridicule him and question his views, which was quite refreshing. The whole melodrama, blowing these petty problems to huge proportions, doesn't serve the show well.

Don't get me wrong - I enjoy the show, but it was more entertaining while it was still more grounded in realism - when Hachiman wasn't yet the great problem solver admired by his peers.
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>>124584773
>Be alone 95% + of the time
>Someone sends you a 1 sentence text message

SEE!? YOU AREN'T ALONE!!
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>>124584773
Hachiman is in some ways, exactly like Hayama. They come from different social backgrounds and their methods are different, but they tend to lack a lot of awareness about themselves and like to stroke their own egos to justify their lifestyles.
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>>124584801
That was actually pretty good.
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>>124584189
A troubled guy like 8man would drag her through hell. I don't know, maybe she can take it.
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i really really like sensei, i wish i could get marry with someone like her.
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>>124583197
>He has a problem.
No one cared who he was until he put on the mask. Honestly this show is filled with two-faced people forcing their ideals on 8man.
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>>124584773
Just because you have "friends" doesn't mean you aren't alone still. 8mans friends are on the same tier as social networking friends.
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Quiz time: How many of you faggots have read No Longer Human?
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when does the H E A L I N G begins?
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>>124584905
Well, you have to step back and also understand that Yahari is a wish-fulfillment story and 8man is the protagonist. If he doesn't climb up the social ladder, then there wouldn't be much of a plot. And to be fair, he really is great at solving social problems so it's only natural people come to respect him.

Now, the thing that I find issue with is how all of these 'problems' as of late have become giant melodramatic issues like you are saying. I don't how else to handle it, since raising the stakes is typical, but it really does make him come off as very unrealistic when the story emphasizes the social suicide thing.
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>>124584782
It's pretty much all he says in the scene where he pulls out the bike, changes per translation so no point posting it.
He doesn't name the belief and refers to the one he shared it with as "a certain person", but that's what it means there.

Btw, get used to things not being named, and people being "a certain person", it happens a lot and it often just expects you to get it.
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>>124584773
hachiman is a good boy. Not many people enjoy helping hothers the way he does.

I will like to meet his parents. They mus be great people for rasing kids like komachi and him.
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>>124584980
She seems like the kind of girl that would be fully content to have you use her stomach as a pillow while she plays with your hair.

No one could say troubled for long after getting that treatment.
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>>124585014
8man is as big as hypocrite as any other.
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>>124584761
It's a known fact people who are self loathing are altruisic to the point of self destruction.

People who hate who they are try to do good to the point it's not just above and beyond, it's beyond what anyone should do.

It makes them feel better about themselves.

8man does it in an interesting way. He fixes things altruistically while also making himself a social paraiah. Most people who are self loathing do it so people will like them or that they can like themselves.

He does it presumably because it makes him feel better about who he is, and that who he is can be useful, and not a complete waste while also keeping people away from him.
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>>124584801
That was pretty good.
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>>124584773
He was mildly relatable for the first episode, but at this point he's just being a major cock for bragging to everyone about how alone he is. Almost like how modern teenage girls go "lol I'm such a nerd", he's not a true loner. A real loner would keep his fucking mouth shut and not care about stupid social problems, kind of like Tomoko but less autistic.
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>>124584886
Easy pussy for them. Chads usually play the quantity over quality game. it keeps them satisfied between the harder to get women.
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>>124584882
>He's not just popular, he's also incredibly sympathetic. His awareness just isn't broad and that's why he didn't see people hating 8man for no good reason until now.
You think he's unaware of what happens around him? I don't think so at all - he's proven to be quite aware of the things that happen around him. He plays an innocent act, but he is by no means unaware. And I don't think he's acting out of pure sympathy either.

>Then their reputation got better as a result. Now, that Yui and Yukinon are not social misfits and that the club has got things done, it makes sense for the more popular people to ask for help.
No, it makes no sense at all. The whole premise makes absolutely no sense and the "problem solving club" is a bad plot motor. Teenagers of all people wouldn't ask their peers to handle their personal problems.

>It's forced drama. It's the natural response people who are close to a guy who don't like seeing him act like he doesn't care about his social standing to the point where he's willing to be a martyr.
The issue is that it's not a "natural" response at all, simply because his social standing hasn't really taken much of a hit given that he wasn't popular to begin with, not even his classmates remember his name - that's not what's being "hated" is like, that's what people not giving a fuck is like. Their response is too big given how minor the issues are. The author spins this martyrdom story but doesn't back it up sufficiently.
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>>124585097
>mfw I'll never know such joy
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>>124585041
I've seen Aoi Bungaku.
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>>124584773
I don't blame him for thinking that. After living a life where everyone ignores him or treats him like shit it just makes sense to have a steel like guard up at all times.

And these bitches can't be truly honest with themselves, they are still highschool girls. Their reputation comes first before 8man. He shouldn't be alone until one the girls flat out says they are his friends. But that would be totally, like, uncool right!?
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is Hayama the coolest guy?
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>>124585140
>he's not a true loner

This.

"The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference." The real loner in the school is the guy who doesn't talk to anyone and is so unnoticeable that no one talks to him either. People hate 8man and that's a strong emotion, he's on more than a few peoples minds daily.
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>>124585120
It all makes sense.
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>>124584554
UUUU
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>>124585042
When you accept Ueno as best girl.
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>>124585120
>Most people who are self loathing do it so people will like them or that they can like themselves.
Hachiman clearly does it for the latter seeing as he's managed to go through enough mental gymnastics to convince himself that social constructs are a waste of time. It's just a positive feedback loop for him to claim that he's 'alone'.
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So, is she a virgin?
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>>124585372
Of course.
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>>124585372
She doesn't even know what the anatomical difference is between guys and girls other than guys are all flat chested.
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>>124585372
100% bitch
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>>124585043
>Well, you have to step back and also understand that Yahari is a wish-fulfillment story and 8man is the protagonist. If he doesn't climb up the social ladder, then there wouldn't be much of a plot.
I completely disagree. You look at this from the perspective of some American 80s or 90s teenager movie, where the "loser" ends up becoming popular, besting the mean jock bully, getting the girl, etc. - yet the story doesn't need to be this way, not to mention that in order to be wish-fulfilment it doesn't necessarily need to result in social success. Hikki having cute girls around him who become attracted to him is already more than enough wish-fulfilment, it doesn't really need to end with him also becoming popular.

>And to be fair, he really is great at solving social problems so it's only natural people come to respect him.
Is is really? He's got a good eye for how things tie together, but he's too eager to break things. e.g. when it came to the issue with Rumi, without Yui's intervention things wouldn't have gone so well. Also, there's the issue that simply being good at a thing doesn't necessarily mean that people will respect you. He was good during the first season too, yet people didn't suck his dick all time. That was refreshing. The story revolves too much around him now, with everyone being too focussed on him alone, which breaks with the whole premise. To me it seems like the author has come to like his own character too much.
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>>124585372
she said so herself that she's useless and has nothing. shes borderline retarded, how did she get into such a good school. and have popular friends?

By being a meat toilet.
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>>124585302
8man might subconsciously be feeding on that. He wants the loathing because he loathes himself.

It's like kids who act out just so they can get attention. He'd rather be hated then ignored completely.
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>>124585372
Of course, that's why she gets flustered.
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>>124585199
>You think he's unaware of what happens around him?
I think he means Hayama can't see the more negative aspects of interaction like Hachiman can. That's why he never goes to the extremes and always tries 'safe' courses of action.

>No, it makes no sense at all.
Agreed. Granted, I haven't been to Japan but I have been to Singapore and Vietnam and teenagers don't just ask others to solve their problems, at least not the type that we see in the show.

>The author spins this martyrdom story but doesn't back it up sufficiently.
How so? Hachiman went from being unnoticed to being actively hated by people for his actions.
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>>124585372
She's probably sucked a few dicks here and there.
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>>124585372
with a pair of tits like that ?

impossible
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>>124585120
>>124585308
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>>124585216
Some of us are have to walk actual grimdark paths.

You know, "THE REAL ME IS STILL ASLEEP!" type shit. There are no provincial lives, and no provincial deaths.

And I don't know what provincial means, so I'm probably fucked.
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>>124584882
>it's not forced drama

>>124584905
>The whole melodrama, blowing these petty problems to huge proportions, doesn't serve the show well.
The show exaggerates the facial expressions which gives the sense that it 's melodrama. The drama is a little exaggerated but the core aspect of it is realistic. The problem isn't petty, because it is related to someone they care about. Before 8man, Yui and Yukinon weren't enjoying highschool. One simply didn't have anyone interesting to talk to and the other felt like the friend to tried to hard to stay in the group. Seeing a guy who has helped them be more "social" act like a social martyr will make them feel bad. It's overblown from Yukinon's perspective because she also hates superficial people. And 8man is acting like one.

>>124585199
>You think he's unaware of what happens around him?
He's unaware of less popular people. This come with being really popular. He's not dimwitted.

>And I don't think he's acting out of pure sympathy either.

All his late actions indicate that he is very sympathetic, he even hates acting like a dick.

>makes no sense
>Teenagers of all people wouldn't ask their peers
This is where it's assumed that the premise --- teens would ask help from their peers --- is accepted. From that premise the previous argument you replied to follows.

>issue is that it's not a "natural" response at all
You contradict yourself. He wasn't popular but he wasn't hated either. Being hated is worse than not being known.
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>>124585498
37 dicks.
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>>124585302
Seriously, all that bullshit about wanting something G E N U I N E, but, when you get down to it, he's the biggest faker of them all.

This show should be about Saki,

This show should be about Kawasomething Saki.
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>>124585433
> it seems like the author has come to like his own character too much.

Fucking Mortal Kombat's Ed Boon has this problem extremely bad with Scorpion. The pretty much have ruined the character over the last two games.
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why the fuck do the nips all care about popularity like fucking sakes. once you get into college nobody gives a rat ass about you. The same for the social world, I knew people who were loners in high school and are now thriving in both college and the real world.
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>>124585513
>Being hated is worse than not being known.
Now now, don't be so hasty. It depends entirely on the person and I've known quite a few people who would rather be known as 'the bad guy' then completely ignored.
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>>124585586
>once you get into college nobody gives a rat ass about you
Projecting
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>>124585482
>How so? Hachiman went from being unnoticed to being actively hated by people for his actions.
I don't see him being hated. That's what Hayato, Yui and Yukino claim, but I don't see it being backed up. He doesn't seem more ostracised than before and it doesn't even look like people hold much of a grudge. The Ebina thing worked out flawlessly. Neither Ebina nor Tobe hold a grudge but both realised that he was helping them. Where exactly is the problem? I could believe it if the show bothered to actually emphasise this, but thus far things have worked out well.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HxWW5FauwM

Best MAD
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>>124585586
Probably because it's just that, highchool is the only time you can matter.
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>>124584189
>tfw no bijin gf
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>>124585509
Shirou is a pretty good example of someone with that twisted mentality.

He gives and gives because it fills the void he feels. That self loathing, the thought he's not wort being loved, and the only value he has is to help people even at the cost of himself, because he doesn't value himself.

He wants value from other people because he can't give it to himself.

Where 8man and he are different is that 8man's self loathing makes him want to isolate himself.
Shiro wants that love and care, and sees the value of friendships even if he feels he's worthless beyond what he can provide for them.

Shiro is 8man if 8man wanted friends to combat the crippling lonliness and sadness he feels inside.

We joke about Shirou being an idiiot, but he purposely ignores any kind of romantic notions because it makes him feel umcomfortable that anyone would find anything about him lovable beyond his superficial usefulness.

He thinks there's nothing of worth to him.
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legitimately, what is the appeal of yukinoshita? why would anyone want 8man to get with her over yuigahama, self-insert aside?
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>>124585513
>Being hated is worse than not being known.
Never heard of the phrase "If people are hating on you, you're doing something right?"
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>>124585302
>"The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference."
Love is a fine thing and an emotion.
Indifference is a fine thing and an emotion (apathy).
Hate is not a fine thing and is also an emotion.
Therefore, the opposite of love is hate.
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>>124585586
Anon, it may come as a surprise to you, but highschoolers' wrold is just highschool
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>>124585513
Well in a sense, being hated is much better than not being known. At the very least you remember that one guy you hate right? Hell, having one guy show up to your funeral even if just to celebrate is better than an empty room.
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>>124585637
>Where exactly is the problem?
He's not living his life correctly.
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>>124584189
>She is the only ray of sunshine
You mean Iroha, right? Since Iroha is the one who help Yukino, Yui, and 8man fix their drama induced situation.
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>>124585513
>Seeing a guy who has helped them be more "social" act like a social martyr will make them feel bad.
I can understand the reasoning but I don't think it applies to the given cases, simply because they were too minor. Had he walked naked on stage in front of all people, goose stepping and performing the Nazi salute or something - yes, maybe then that would be a fitting reaction. But what he has done has always been rather low profile, with not that many people involved, it has often worked out for everyone with people not holding a grudge against him and in the case of Ebina and Tobe all parties being involved that what he did was for the best. How would that have harmed his reputation? It seems more that Yui and Yukino were upset about hearing him confess to another girl rather than worrying about his reputation. And Hayato seems to have his own personal issues going on.
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>>124584568
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>>124584980
One of my many, many worries about Yui. As much as I want her to win the 8bowl I feel like it's largely just a reactionary desire for her to get what she wants.

The thing that keeps me going is mostly the thought that, once 8man matures and grows out of this social-pariah, I-hate-everyone thing, maybe they will be a better match. 8man's (moderated) cynicism and Yui's overwhelming optimism would make them good foils for each other's faults.

>>124585097
>tfw what feels like a lifetime ago, you knew this feel
it really kills to know you'll never have Yui lean down and whisper reassuring nonsense into your ear while she caresses your world-weary head when that's the one thing you need most in the world right now.
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>>124585753
How dare you question the reasoning of a Holocaust survivor? He experienced true suffering.
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Suzuki best girl
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>>124585651
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Why is 8man the only normal one? He's surrounded by freaks.
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>>124585815
I don't know what the fuck she's doing and that lollipop looks like it's about to fall off but goddamn.
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>>124585596
People are much more likely to see your demise if you're hated than simply not known. Also it's easier to form relationships if you're not known than if you're
hated.

>>124585710
The Nazis were doing something right then.

>>124585772
See above.

>>124585804
You're right that it doesn't seem too big but at the same time, it's a pathological behavior that he's showing. And he's been doing it for some time.
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