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I'm watching Otorimonogatari now and Nadeko actually did

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I'm watching Otorimonogatari now and Nadeko actually did nothing wrong, fuck you guys.
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>>124565508
yet
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>I was only 9 years old
>I loved snake so much, I had all the merchandise and pantsu
>I pray to snake every night before bed, thanking her for the life I've been given
>"Snake is love" I say; "snake is life"
>My crab hears me and calls me a faggot
>I know she was just jealous of my devotion for snake
>I called her a cunt
>She slaps me and sends me to go to sleep
>I'm crying now, and my face hurts
>I lay in bed and it's really cold
>Suddenly, a warmth is moving towards me
>It's snake
>I am so happy
>She whispers into my ear "This is my shrine"
>She grabs me with her powerful snake hair and puts me down onto my hands and knees
>I'm ready
>I spread my ass-cheeks for snake
>She penetrates my butt-hole
>It hurts so much but I do it for snake
>I can feel my butt tearing as my eyes start to water
>I push against her force
>I want to please snake
>She hisses a mighty snake hiss as she fills my butt with her love
>My crab walks in
>Snake looks her straight in the eyes and says "and the rest is hisssssstory"
>Snake leaves through my window
>Snake is love. Snake is life.
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>>124565508
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Happy to know that someone else has seen the light.
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Until this i never thought that much about nadeko, seemed kinda irrelevant, but now i hate her, what a bitch, what a cunt, a cruel spoiled brat
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>>124567422
This is the general consensus.
Now the only people who like her are waifufags who can't let go and edgelords.
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>>124566174
>there are people who legitimately find this funny
Holy shit. I pity the person who took time out to write this.

>>124567422
>>124567528
Even though she may be unlikable, her character development was still there.
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>>124567564
You can like the character development but still find her a shit because of her personality.
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But she is objectively the sexiest
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Oh great, ANOTHER snakefag on /a/.
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>>124567528
also i felt a bit dissapointed in Koyomi going there and acting like he acted with Kaiki, whom to be honest is my most liked character, there is something in Kaiki i just really like

>>124567564
Character development isn't there to make you like a character, is there to give you a reason of why you like/dislike a character and give you a better structured story, in an ideal situation char development shouldn't be taken into account when thinking if you like a char or not, sadly so many don't get any development in other series that we end up giving it a lot of value
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>>124567564
>Holy shit. I pity the person who took time out to write this.
Go away, snakefag.
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>>124567699
>there is something in Kaiki i just really like
He's the most human of all the aberration hunters. He doesn't try to fight them directly. He hides in the shadows, as any human in such a world should.
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>>124567774
Not trying to be and edgy fedora wearing teenager, but i think he's the first char in anime with whom i share a relatively similar train of thought
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>>124567246
I can't really blame her for wanting to kill all the assholes who kept shitting on her even though her way of living was not affecting them at all.
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>>124569004
She was planing to fuck over crab and Araragi from the start. How does that count as not affecting them?
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>>124569085
Tsukihi and Shinobu definitely helped to push her over the edge, though.
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>>124569529
Those are just a snake's excuses.

Not taking responsibility for your actions, blaming others, playing the victim. That's just what snake is.
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Snake a shit. A shit and worst girl.
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Snake a shit.

This is now a Crab thread.
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>>124570521
How could posting the actual worst girl possibly salvage this thread?
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>>124571633
But they didn't post snake
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>>124571691
I know what I'm talking about, son.
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>>124570521
Turn to boys.

We have work to do.
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>>124569610
You can't argue with snakefags.

They are willing to make almost unlimited logical leaps and mental gymnastics to justify what she did.
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>>124570521
Shit man, not even a Crabfag but I'll join in.
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all hail crabposting
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Couldn't help myself. I don't actually have any Crab pictures so I thought to myself. "What scenes are memorable." and Senjougahara getting coffee'd stood out.
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>>124572342
>>124572240
I am glad to see I am in good company.
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>>124572421
That entire back and forth is hilarious.
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>>124572536
It is actually really good.

I was going to get the picture of Kaiki getting juiced but I figured the poor man has already had enough of people messing up his clothes by spitting coffee/throwing juice at him.
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>>124572185
Snake is a bad person, but someone who says she'd kill everyone in the world if her boyfriend died isn't really any better.
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>>124572694
That's Kiss-shot.

Crab only said she'd kill the person who killed him, and then probably herself.
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Araragi-kun, why is my voice so perfect?
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>>124572732
She said she'd kill everyone when she was talking to Nadeko.
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>>124572536
One of the only times I ever liked Crab.

I think everyone gets proportionately more likeable the more time they spend with Best Character.
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>>124572766
Is it because your voice actress is Chiwa Saitou?
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>>124572766
Literally Cat with purple hair.
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>>124572732
pic related

>>124572780
>I think everyone gets proportionately more likeable the more time they spend with Best Character
This is true, Nadeko went from an evil monster to just a stupid girl in Koi
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>>124572773
She said bat would kill everyone.
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>>124572951
>inb4 some retard says "le swastika xD"
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>>124573152
sieg fucking heil, nigger
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>>124573152
You probably jinxed it by bringing it up.
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>>124572951
Is this a shot from the show?

I can't remember this.
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>>124573369
Yeah man, it's the last few seconds of Bakemonogatari.

Oshino has left, the crew have played Rock Paper Scissors outside Eikou Cram School and Araragi has had his monologue about Oshino caring enough about him to say Goodbye before he mentions the School Festival and it cuts to that scene before ending.
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>>124572951
>Crab is dual wielding staplers

step the fuck back
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>>124572766
It's the only logical conclusion when everything else about you is perfect.
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>>124573527
Crab doesn't fuck around apparently.

You'd better back the fuck up before you get snapped the fuck up.
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>>124573713
>Crab doesn't fuck around apparently.
Just look at this fighting stance if you need any more proof.
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>>124573922
She's about to slay a motherfucker. She could have taken God Nadeko out with a single strike but she's hiding her powerlevel for when she becomes the Saviour at Century's Beginning.
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In what order should I be watching Monogatari?
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>>124574092
Broadcast.
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>>124574092
Start with Bakemonogatari
then Ore Monogatari
then Katanagatari
you can figure out the rest
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>>124573922
Why is she so spindly?
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>>124567528
people who seem to think fucking everything is edgy are the real fucking egelords

I like Snake because she's cute as fuck and the most interestingly developed character in the show. All other characters except bat pales in comparison to her.
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>>124565508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODZE5peUfWQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKt3Q5hHoUU
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>>124574092
Watch them as they aired.

There are a few things that occur outside the chronology of release order, but you need to have the perspective the rest of the series offers when you watch/read it.
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>>124574092
Bake
Nise
Neko (kuro)
Monogatari 2nd season
Hana
Tsuki
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>>124574174
If you think there are no other interesting characters you are just blind.
Most of the characters are interesting, snake is the only one who's a shit.
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>>124574213
>>124574215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1GNyceUwOQ
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>>124574242
>>124574233
>>124574115
Thanks!

>>124574138
What about Chichi Monogatari?
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>>124574290
>Thanks!
Did you actually need to be given the order? What was so challenging?
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>>124574322
Not him, but to someone that's not familiar with the series I would imagine that they would be lost.
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>>124574270
>snake is the only one who's a shit
Not really, most of them are douchebags. Snake is probably the worst but that's not saying much.
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>>124574358
you literally just wiki it
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>>124574373
None of them are perfect but the at least try to be good people.
Snake does not even bother.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfqJmzbFm1I
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>>124574383
That's what I did, but it's good to be a nice anon once in a while.
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>>124574419
they are fake good people. in the end they care only about themselves and their closest person (in crab's case it's araragi). the one girl that was an exception was hanekawa, she knew nadeko's bad personality well, but in the end she still really wanted to help her.
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>>124574574
Monkey cares about crab and Araragi.
Cat and Crab care about each other
Crab cares about monkey

This is what friendships are anon, you caring about people other than yourself.
Snake does not have that.
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>>124574574
Kanbaru wanted to help something-machi, Mayoi didn't really do anything wrong. Also Hanekawa wanted to put half the town in hospital just to relieve her stress, she's hardly perfect.
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>>124574160
She's a runner.
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>>124574683
Pfft, she can't do the Kaiki Stride.
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>>124574683
That's why track is no good, volleyball and basketball is where it's at.
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>>124574270
None of the characters are shit you gigantic faggot, if you think so you should probably go watch a different show since you're unable to appreciate this show
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>>124574765
I can appreciate how shit snake is and how buttpained snakefags are.
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>>124574683
Could you keep up with her you fat shits?
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>>124574419
Snake is the only fucking one who's never been shown after being saved. Monkey was also a lying cunt and not really remorseful until after the final confrontation of Hitagi, a lot of people seem to forget this
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>>124574765
I'd say it's more along the lines of "All the characters are shit, but have good points and are after all still ordinary people with thoughts and feelings"
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>>124574812
So at the end of the day you're just a pitiful troll?

Well, thanks for showing your true colors I suppose
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Monkey > Snail > Bat = Crab > Phoenix > Bee > Cat > Doll > Snake

Get taste you imbecile.
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>>124573459
Holy shit I have no recollection of this at all.
I didn't think all the High School characters actually appeared on screen at once.
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>>124574873
Please, don't make the thread devolve into waifu rankings yet again
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>>124574821
How is she not really remorseful until then?
She was remorseful in her first fucking scene.
She was remorseful after she used the arm first in middle school.

She had that power the whole time and never used it because she knew it was wrong and she is responsible for the action of the rainy devil.

If snake had the arm she would end up killing half the school and still manage to blame someone else.
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>>124574659
Snake does not have that because she's completely different from the rest of the cast. The author made her an obvious outcast who is isolated and doesn't trust people(which is normal because real life is shit and you shouldn't trust easily others). She wasn't good at making friends and no one really offered her support, warmth, friendship. No one made her realize that life can be good and stop her from shutting herself inside all the time.
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>>124574920
>devolve
That's where they all start anon.
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>>124574920
Are you actually expecting meaningful discussions in a fucking monogatari thread?
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>>124574873
here we go the cancer of this fandom
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>>124574947
You don't know shit about snake's past. How she's treated by other people or if people try to be her friends or not. This is just shit you assumed for no reason.
Congratulations on your snakelogic.

All you do know is she is egocentric, mistrustful and selfish and lacks any kind of empathy. Your excuses as to why that is is just you making shit up.
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>>124574973
Happens all the time newfag.
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>>124574986
He's got good taste though.
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>>124574873
Bat > Snail = Crab > Phoenix = Cat > Monkey > Bee > Doll > Snake
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>>124575028
No it doesn't you shitstain
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>>124574986
>>124574920
You know there's room for both in a thread.

In fact >>124574968 is right most of the time.
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>>124575052
>monkey below cat and bird
Can't possibly agree. bird has hardly any characterization comparably and cat is pretty boring.
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>>124575025
except all of that was referred to in the novels. stop posting if you didnt even read the novels uninformed normalfag with no empathy.
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>>124575177
by who? snake?
Congratulations on being an idiot.
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>>124575025
If she's so egocentric why did she so playful with Kaiki when she hated both being a god and talking to people? She may be extremely judgemental but she still wants nice people to have a good time
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>>124575222
congratulations, youre a literal retard. there were other characters talking about her situation.
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>>124575082
It's okay you can admit you've never been in these threads before.
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Snake is so shit that Kaiki had to show up and evict her from Araragi's life. She is canon wost girl.
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>>124575263
She was bored out of her mind anon, you think she was talking to him out of charity?
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>>124574925
if she was truly remorseful why the fuck did she she still go ahead with her plan to kill araragi even after telling him she was over it? She wasn't remorseful, she was just acting

I would say she wasn't even truly remorseful after being saved, she just came to terms with the fact that killing araragi wouldn't make hitagi love her
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>>124575285
So if you have no friends it's all everyone else's fault?
That's what you're trying to say here?
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>>124575309
>implying it was for the sake of Araragi
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>>124575025
>This is just shit you assumed for no reason.
You are a fucking moron, this was the whole fucking point of her outburst in otori you fuckwad
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>>124575362
Because she has no conscious control over the rainy devil, it acts on her hate without her being able to stop it. Did you not fucking watch the episode?
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>>124575374
I didn't say that you fucking assuming faggot. It is partly her fault, because she's a stupid girl with an undeveloped personality.
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>>124575309
He did it for crab.
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>>124575428
sure. same excuse as Cat, which is not actually an excuse because they both desired the bad things that happened.
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>>124575414
Her outburst in ototri was just the culmination of her problem avoidance technique failing.
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I stopped watching the series around Monogatari Second Season. Mostly because I'm a Crabfag and things were going so well for her and Koyomi that I assumed it could only get worse.
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>>124575514
They have a perfectly happy and healthy relationship with almost no drama for the rest of the series.
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>>124575486
Yes monkey has a problem with hate but she doesn't like it, wants to move past it and takes responsibility for what her hate causes.
Desiring something bad doesn't mean you're a bad person, everyone has negative thoughts at some point.
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Everybody keeps talking about how Crab and Araragi have had sex, I don't fucking buy it, we never see it happen and there are no indications that it took place off screen.
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She was wrong for wanting to kill people for her own shortcomings. But it really bothers me when people dismiss her without explaining their reasoning. It was a great arc for me because I could actually relate and this character I didn't give a shit about before became interesting to me. Then went away.
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>>124575514
I stopped watching after Bake
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>>124575575
>we never see it happen
This is true for 99% of sex that happens in all forms for media

>there are no indications that it took place off screen.
Try watching the series with your eyes open.
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>>124575383
Sorry you are right.
Corrected

>Snake is so shit that Kaiki had to show up and evict her from Araragi's life for Crab in order to save best girl who is his daughteru since Snake is so garbage that she is a danger to anyone who speaks to Araragi. She is canon wost girl.

>>124575459
>He did it for crab
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>>124575575
Everyone knows he just walked her gently home anon, I have no idea what you're taking about.
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>>124575575
Of course they don't have sex, he walks her home gently every night.
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Monogatari thread reminder that in order to like snake, you must necessarily be a troll or edgy teenager.
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>>124575575
Here we go again
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>>124574903
This is like the only scene they all pop up together.

These four are obviously the second coming of the exorcists in the making.
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snail is olev, monkey a 2nd. rest is shit.
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>>124575571
how does she show her responsibility exactly? by being nice to Araragi? Nadeko cant do that because being close to him makes her life worse. Also we werent able to see what she thinks about the things she'd done because after becoming human Kaiki immediately makes her pass out and they never show her again which is fucking bullshit.
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>>124575626
Memes aside i'm being serious here, I have watched the series with my eyes open and not once does it indicate that they have had sex.
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>>124575700
Don't be rude anon.
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>>124575677
reminder that this is a meme and only trolls post that, because they have no real arguments.
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>>124575575
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>>124575729
>not once does it indicate that they have had sex.
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>>124575428
Well if we can blame monkeys action on it being the rainy devil and not kanbaru, why can't we blame snakes actions on her becoming the snake god instead of being nadeko?
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>>124575729
This scene plus the Tsuki scene with Senjou-ragi on Valentine's Day.
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>>124575773
Honestly, that could mean anything, it doesn't specifically have to mean sex.
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>>124575779
Because Snake a shit
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>>124575711
She accepts that she might lose her arm for what she did, she does not try to blame anyone else for her actions.
Also yes, her gratitude and loyalty to Araragi is also a good indication of her character.

Kaiki forced her to pass out and Araragi can never see her again because snake never bothered to resolve her issues, she just decided to go back to her life and stop being a god, the underlying issues of why she did everything was never resolved.

And yes if nisio decided to write some more character development and make her not a shit she wouldn't be one but he didn't and she is so I don't see how you can argue otherwise.
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>>124575779
didnt Nadeko develop a split personality, it made her insane and you cant judge insane people the same way.
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>>124575814
Anon your waifu has had sex. I'm sorry but you will never be her first, the best thing you can do is accept that and move on.
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>>124575814
Then I'll ask you a simple question.

Why do you think she stopped making fun of his virginity since then?
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I liked Snake, she was a gone wrong version of a childhood crush. She also gave Kaiki time to shine.
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>>124575779
Because nowhere did it say the snake god is controlling her?
In fact it's said the snake god is purely her own creation birthed from her own delusions.
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>>124575807
Why does crab and mararagi look like shit in this pic compared to mine? >>124575773
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>>124575904
Fuck, you're right, I guess they did have sex.
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>>124575601
Yeah. Me too. Snake went from being this boring little girl I knew nothing about to having multiple personalities and devious plans and then going into full blown insanity while being given the full power of a god.

Only other character that went from boring background character to amazingly interesting main character is Bat
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>>124575875
No, she was forced by Kaiki to not see Araragi again and go back to her life. If Kaiki didnt say that she would still involve herself with Araragi, because she's obsessed with him.
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What are some things you'd do gently to crab?

>back massage
>brushing her hair
>friendly game of Twister
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>>124575962
Blank. It was probably a rushed screencap from ages ago for when the exact same question got asked last time.
Hence why I named it sauceforanon, so that I could find it easily when people try to deny they had sex.
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>>124576008
>mock her financial status
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>>124575875
>the underlying issues of why she did everything was never resolved.
She decided to let go of her obsession and decided to have another go at life.
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>>124575974
I honestly have no clue how you could think otherwise.
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>>124575980
The point is her issues were never resolved, nisio deliberately never resolved them. He wrote her to be a shit and all this pretending otherwise is hilarious.
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>>124576008
Things I'd do gently to crab?
>Walk her home
>Talk about my mom
>Compare her to my mom
>Talk about childhood memories
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>>124575962
Yours is probably from the BD and his is probably the TV release
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>>124576126
If she did that why can she never see Araragi again?
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>>124575875
It doesn't mean she's a shit character. It means her character is weak willed and also shown prone more than other people to delusions, insanity(mental problems in general). She needs a guidance from someone in life to show her good parts in life and herself(Kaiki did the part about life). Idk how can you just say she's shit and leave her like that, would you do the same to a person in real life? Then youre the one thats a shit person.
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>>124576150
It's also important to note that she is not dealt with for her own sake but to stop her from murdering other people.
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>>124576150
youre assuming things that were never said by the author. no one knows how nisio wanted the character to turn out, but theres obviously a lot of people that like her and a lot that dont.
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>>124576213
I'm not the one that left her like that, nisio did.
The rest is just some sort of fanfic wanking.
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>>124575514
You're a massive faggot and I'm glad you stopped watching because you don't deserve to see what happens next
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>>124576308

Well sorry to disappoint you. but I've already read all the episode synopses. So I know what happens next. That's just why I quit watching way back.
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>>124576393
>I've already read all the episode synopses
Is this some sort of advanced autism?
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>>124576450

What makes you say that?
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>>124576195
because that would be counter productive to her letting go of her obsession with him

they're a danger to each other
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>>124575875
The meat of what Nisio wrote in Otori was actually Nadeko admitting she knew she had problems. Explicitly she didn't think what how she was living her life was right and wanted to change for the better, and that comes through in stuff like her conversations with Kuchinawa-san (i.e., herself) and the speech to her class.

But maybe her character as Nisio wrote it doesn't fully come through in the anime. Even so, most people who hate Nadeko seem to have a really simplistic understanding of what was going on with her character.
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>>124576273
you guys thinking she's shit is fanfic wanking, why would nisio intentionally write a shit character who only some people seem to think is shit

fact is she isn't supposed to be viewed as shit, you only have shit taste
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>>124576483
>I watch anime for the plot
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>>124576515
Retards can't see implications. Snail's illegitimacy was obvious the moment she reappeared at the end of Mayoi Snail, yet it comes off as a surprise to people that she'd have to disappear one day.
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>>124576515
>Nadeko admitting she knew she had problems
Yes
>wanted to change for the better
No

She didn't ever bother to change. How does her speech to the class reflect that?

Her conversations with herself were just her trying to pretend to herself that everyone was against her and she herself wasn't buying it but never did she actually try to change that. She just accepted it, the fact that she's pretending to be a victim and really it's all her fault.
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>>124576498
If she had let go it wouldn't be a problem.
The problem is she didn't.
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>>124575575
Pay attention to how she changes between Bake and Second Season. She's obviously had a dick between he legs somewhere around that time.
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>>124576673

Partially for the plot at least.

I never said I won't pick up where I left off with the series eventually. Just that I stopped watching it.

Actually a lot of anime series get stale if they keep airing episodes too long. That's one of the reason that second seasons of anime series often do so much poorer in sales than first seasons.
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>>124576722
She didn't pretend anyone was against her. There wasn't even anything written about that, lol.
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>>124576757
she has mental problems. you can't change right away like that and let go of things that were your whole point in life, it takes time...
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>>124576820
>Oh no everyone is helping me because I'm cute
>I'm being victimized because of this.
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>>124575575
is this you again?
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>>124575575
yeah of course he just walks her home gently every night
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>>124576722
"I hate you all, but damn it you're still all my classmates"
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>>124576757
Snake liked RRRG for the majority of her life, do you really think that she would let go that easily?
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>>124576820
Yes she did, she pretended everyone was against her. Her classmates for no liking her, her teacher for trying to get her to do her job, Araragi for liking crab, bird and bat for pointing out her problems.

She keeps complaining to Kuchinawa about it and he keeps laughing at her because he(she) knows it's all false.

>>124576876
Okay but there is no time, what we see of the character is what we get. Why do you have to make shit up about possible futures? Why can't you just accept the character the author gives you?
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>>124576983
And?

Where is she expressing her desire to change?
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>>124577004
No, and she didn't. So you're point about her being over it is wrong.
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>>124576757
even if she wanted to, I'm pretty damn sure Tsukihi and Hitagi wouldn't let her anywhere close to him. So it's a moot point.

I don't think Araragi is going to fucking start crying over his terrible lack of formal apologies in person from snake, he's probably pretty damn satisfied knowing she's no longer going to kill him at the end of his graduation

Really. Anyone in Araragi's situation would very fucking likely be pretty considerate if the person so obsessed with you that they wanted to kill you has decided that they'd rather not see you anymore
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>>124576936
Thats not really pretending someone was against her. She ignored everyone like they ignored her. And when she snapped she stated that she doesn't like people depending on her because of her cute, unharmful looks. Which was right.
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>>124577086
She has literally changed in that scene you big dumb idiot
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>>124577086
Her desire to change was becoming more assertive/confident.
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>>124576722
>How does her speech to the class reflect that?
She says in her narration that what she told the class was what she wanted to tell herself. It's a rant about socializing better.
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>>124577162
>>124577191
Okay but that sorta felt like her breaking instead of some long term character change.
I will admit that if she wanted to be more assertive her whole deal with the talisman sure helps that.

It doesn't help her other terrible character traits which I was referring to though. Being shy by itself is not that bad, it's the rest of her that is terrible.
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>>124577040
Youre bending the actual wording in all those scenes. She was only stating the facts and accepted them as they were. Also she didnt say the class didnt like her but everyone in the class was silent and ingored each other.
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>>124577320
What words am I bending? Do you honestly not thing snake was playing the victim for all of otori?
She made up a fictional fucking entity that ordered her to do things for fucks sake.
Kuchinawa was a manifestation of her persecution complex.
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>>124577319
Yes, she broke but it wasnt hard not to. She was mentally insane at that point already, talking to the 'serpent' and all. She wasnt able to comprehend what was actually happpening around her. This is a very legit fact to state she needs mental help and she cant be judged like other characters.
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>>124577132
Did crab suddenly stop being a bitch? Did cat get over Araragi after being rejected thrice? Does every change a person decides to make happen the moment he decides it?

The story ends with her out cold.
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>>124577432
At the end she stated she knew it was her fault. It was more like her delusions didnt make her realize that she was a victim, at tej beginning
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>>124577507
And? It's fucking over.
So what fucking snake are you talking about?
>>124577557
> her delusions didnt make her realize that she was a victim, at tej beginning
I don't follow
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>>124574820
i can, even with monkey
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>>124577618
The snake which decided to make a change which has not yet become. Will you not put any faith in a person who wills to change?
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Anyway Nadeko is an actually believeable, realistic and relatable character in anime. People that like her are not insane, edgelords or trolls. Get the fuck over it.
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>>124577618
She didnt act like a victim consciously.
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>>124577841
>realistic and relatable character in anime
I worry about you sometimes anon
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>>124577841
Nothing in this post was correct.
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>>124577916
It means she's closer to a real human than the other girls.
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>>124577916
>>124577929
I always find the haters really pitiful. It's like their life mission is to tell everyone that they hate somebody and that they will never get over it.
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>>124577841
really, the word "edgy" is dangerously close to becoming just another buzzword considering how much people misuse it

it's a reddit tier comeback by people that can't stand that people like what they don't like
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>>124577983
Like I said anon, if that's the character you relate to the most I worry about you.
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>>124578072
Edgy just means "does bad and cruel things for no reason"
This is exactly what snake is.
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>>124578054
How many murders have to contemplated?
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>>124578124
she's realistically portrayed as having mental health issues, this is a good a reason as any and if you don't understand this you're pretty dense
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>>124578188
now who's throwing buzzwords around?
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>>124578080
You should worry about yourself for being a close minded normalfag.
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>>124578238
youre a normal person that has never even gone through similar problems that break you mentally. This is what Nadeko had gone through as a 14 year old with no support from her family or the closest friends.
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>>124578080
then you're unsympathetic and a worse person than snake
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>>124578178
I'm pretty sure you replied to the wrong post, and I\m pretty sure my point still stands.
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>>124578315
your point is fucking retarded and you should be happy I didn't discard it completely
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>>124578309
She has plenty of support, she just threw it all away.

I don't understand anyways. You could say everyone's personality is a mixture of their nature and nurture. So you don't hold people responsible for how they at at all? Is everything just outside of their control and they can't be blamed for anything?
I choose to not see it that way.
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>>124578309
>your dumb shildish crush goes unfulfilled
>grounds for going insane and murdering people

Snakefags should be kept under a close watch so they don't hurt anyone.
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>>124578410
I keep saying its partly her fault. But shes obviously mentally insane so she needs actual professional help.
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>>124578410
>So you don't hold people responsible for how they at at all?
We do, the difference is we consider their circumstances before we judge their actions
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>>124578437
>grounds for going insane and murdering people
yes she's a a kid who couldnt handle all those things by herself.of course it made her unstable.
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>>124578437
I want to hurt you
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>>124578539
So shes not responsible for being insane because she's insane?
That's some nice circular reasoning you have there.

Her life was not really hard, she has nothing to blame for her breakdown other than herself.

Out of all the girls, with the possible exception of the fire sisters, she had the easiest life and yet broke down the most.
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>>124578653
Are insane people judged the same way as other people? No.
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>>124565508
>and Nadeko actually did nothing wrong
Oh, I see her acting cute made her feel pity for her.
Too bad she lies as a narrator for the entirety of the thing.

Mind me. She's super cute. Super Kawaii. Her snake hairs are the best. But the real masterpiece was Kaiki talking to her. He is the best.
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>>124578716
But she's not insane is she, she's just delusional.
She doesn't have a chemical imbalance or something, she's just a weak and petty person.
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>>124578835
you need to thank her for being there too, because if she wasnt there Kaiki wouldnt have anyone to talk to. theyre both great characters.
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>>124578866
several characters stated that she went insane.
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>>124578964
Not as clinical definition.
She was just acting insane.
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>>124578940
I am beginning to think that was the best dialogue of the entire series.
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>>124579150
If she was 'acting insane', then thats what would be written. But it was written she was literally insane. Stop avoiding the actual meaning.
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>>124579298
> it was written
What the hell are you talking about?
It was written? By the fucking narrator at the time?
Is Kaiki a psychologist? What was her mental illness exactly?
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NA
NA
NA
NADEKO DA YO
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>>124565508
Can anyone explain why i get this thug/gangster vibe from Nadeko? I feel like she could put out a DMX-like hood nigga rap album and it wouldn't be surprising.
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>>124578580
Sasuga snakefag
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>>124579150
Well the show never gives us any clinical definition that she's a bad person either so I guess you guys aren't allowed to say that anymore
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>>124579536
sasuga faggot
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>>124579690
being a bad person isn't a clinical condition

You fucking snakefags are unbelievable.
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>>124579890
he said definition of bad, no one in the show defined her as a bad person
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>>124571691
>let's take one together
take waht together? a walk home?
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>>124580084
a bath, also she said that to Cat
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>>124580084
She is at home, silly.
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>>124579890
You said she can't be insane because no one in the show had the authority to determine that she was insane. With that being absolutely fucking stupid, I don't see why the same reasoning can't be used to say that none of the characters had any authority to say that she's a bad person.

If this dumb reasoning for why she isn't a bad person is valid, then so is your argument why she isn't insane.
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>>124580241
No you fucking idiot, you used the fact that some people said "She's insane" as proof that she is.
That's fucking retarded because you can't know how they meant it and if they are right or even a reliable source of information.

I base my argument that she's a shit on my interpretation of her actions and how it reflects on her character.
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>>124573065
>>124572732
They seem to be selfish bitches too.
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>>124575514
You should watch the rest.

Their relationship goes swimmingly for the rest of the entire series and I'm talking all the way through even the most recent LN.

My heart will probably explode when their next date is actually animated.
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>>124578437
Maybe we should put together a watch list?
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>>124580416
I never said she's insane because the characters said she's insane, she very fucking clearly demonstrated a large series of characteristics of insane people, this is what makes us believe she's insane, as well as the other characters in the anime

basically the only person who doesn't think she's insane is you for some reason
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>/a/ hates Snake now

Guess reddit has officially taken over
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>>124581071
What characteristics? Hearing voices? Talking to things that aren't there?
Did you not get otori at all?

I guess you didn't because you're a snakefag
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>>124581682
>now
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>>124581735
Oh I very much got Otori, you're the one who apparently didn't.

really, that's usually what it comes down to with you people that hate snake, you just have a very shallow impression of what you watched and now you refuse to believe that there was any more depth to the characters than what you picked up on your first viewing
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>>124581682
/a/ has hated snake since ss aired
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>>124581926
No you fucking idiot, you did not get the fact that she mad the entire thing up.
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>>124582025
and you don't fucking understand that doing so was part of her being insane
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>>124581682
Reddit loves snake you fag-enabler.
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>>124582133
>her lying to everyone and the audience is proof that she's insane

It's proof that she's not you idiot.
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>>124581682
>>124582201
You faggots need to go back to reddit if you want to talk about it.
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You should probably just accept that your waifu a shit when your only viable defense is to keep screaming "but she's insaaaaaane!"
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How can one man be so based?
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>>124582566
I hated Kaiki at first in Nise. Then I kept watching and he got better and better and by the end of Koi he was best. How could I have been so blind at first.
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>>124582641
Because you were seeing him from Araragi's perspective at first and he hates Kaiki?
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>>124582641
He tricked you into thinking he was shit so he could get a bigger pay off later on.
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>>124582210
she's not fucking kaiki you moron

where is it ever implied that the events of otori isn't exactly what snake experienced? fucking nowhere

all throughout otori, nadeko's insanity is making her think she's doing everything for the snake god. She is literally unaware that she's doing anything bad, the very thing that holds up in a court of law when you plead insanity. the end of otori isn't snake revealing her masterplan, it's her realizing what made her have the delusions
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>>124576181
Childhood memories like the mysterious childhood friend that you were too small to really remember that later taught you math and wanted you to save her but you didn't get the clue and eventually forgot about her and then her family situation got even worse until she started to hate you when you met her again and didn't recognize her and then you failed to save her again when she was convicted of a crime she didn't do which caused you to lose faith in justice and humanity and turned you into a depressed friendless loner that eventually ran into and saved the life of a vampiress because of that depression?

Stuff like that?
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>>124582770
At the end you idiot.
Where she fucking explains everything.

This is all very typical of snakefags. You don't even watch the show properly and have no idea what's going on and just like snake cause she's cute.

Sasuga.
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>>124582316
she's insane and the best written most realistic character in the show, and a semen kami
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>>124582770
>She is literally unaware that she's doing anything bad
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Crab a best
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>>124582877
Like I fucking said. The end isn't her revealing she isn't insane, it's her revealing she's finally aware that the snake god was a delusion

this highly enforced by the fact that she's still very much fucking insane in koi
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>>124583028
She's not insane in koi, and she wasn't revealing she's finally aware, she revealing she knew it from the start.
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really guys, we wouldn't need to have these threads if you snake haters would just come to your senses and stop shitposting all the time
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When Kaiki meets Nadeko's parents, there's a real sense of condemnation there. They care more about maintaining their image of Cute Nadeko than actually finding a clue to the location of their daughter, so they refuse to investigate the only part of her life that she tried to keep private. Kaiki observes that her all-pink room looks more like her parents designed it than it being what Nadeko actually wanted, and also notes that even though she acts happy in her photobook she's alone in every single picture (an observation he makes to her parents and they don't seem to understand).

That whole scene with Nadeko's parents explains really nicely why in in her own arc Nadeko simultaneously resented the "cute" label. It's not just that she started acting this way because she wanted to be pleasing to others, but that her parents very much instilled the expectation of acting like that into her, and then apparently completely ignored anything except what they wanted her to be. In Kaiki's perspective it's her parents who made her crazy.
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Who Snake here?
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>>124583129
why would she do that then?

fucking explain why, why unlike kaiki would she have any reason or likelihood to lie to the viewer

your claim doesn't make any fucking sense, especially with her actions in koi

fucking explain yourself
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>>124583028
>isn't her revealing she isn't insane, it's her revealing she's finally aware that the snake god was a delusion

She purposefully lies to the readers in order to appear a pitiable victim in a world full of bad stuff. She always knew, the "delusions" were an excuse she invented in order to justify what she did.
The entire point of her character is that she's been exploiting her being cute and the perfect example of this is the fact that she does the same with the people reading or watching.
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>>124583142
they only keep doing it to taunt and insult others, to feel better. saying snake is shit is just a petty excuse.
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>>124583224
>why would she do that then?
Because that way people would feel sorry for her.
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>>124583216
I like her because she doesn't love araragi.
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>>124583216
None of you are Snake you crazy delusional fuck.
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>>124583216
Nadeko is perfect.
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>>124582999
Trips don't lie.
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>>124583267
I can't wait until this "snake is shit meme" has run its course
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>>124583224
>being this retarded
She was playing the victim because that's who she is.
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>>124583422
>valid criticism of character
>ever disappearing

Only when snakefags stop trying to push their "snake is a best" bullshit on everyone.
>>
Mind me, I believe all girls are pretty much perfect in Monogatari. The only one I dislike is cat and that's because I hated her long hairs. But even that got resolved.
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>>124583160
underrated post
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Isnt monkey the best girl of this series?
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>>124583515
>shitposting
>valid citicism
yeah naw you're a cunt
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Snake is the worst girl but she has the best arcs by far
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>>124583562
Yes.
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>>124583562
Yes anon, but we are too busy snakeposting atm to discuss that.
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>Snakefags eternally btfo
waaah bullying! waaah shitposters!

Sasuga Snake-fags.
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>>124583442
she's not smart enough to play it out. she was 'being a victim' but it was all on an unconscious level. she started thinking about all the things she did when she turned into a medusa at sat alone at the shrine. that's when it first came to her, she realized what she did. she believed in her own delusions throughout all that happened. that is enough to call her insane. it definitely was partly her fault, she realized it too.
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>>124583591
shitposting how?
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>>124583612
Monkey is pretty cool and funny, but Hana was garbage.
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>>124583562
If by best you mean 3rd or 4th and just barely above cat, then yes.
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>>124583622
Why would you choose to discuss that piece of shit instead of discussing how glorious this woman is?
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