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If shirou was able to see kiritsugu's mystic code would

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If shirou was able to see kiritsugu's mystic code would he be able to trace it?
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>>124417255
Yes.
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>>124417255
No.

He'd be able to more or less recreate the shape and structure of the gun, but that's it. Even if he succeeded in replicating Kiritsugu's Mystic Code, it would be little more than an ordinary counterfeit Contender. He could try to replicate the Origin Bullets, but all he's be able to create are ordinary bullets at best.

Unlimited Blade Works is fundamentally limited to melee weapons. He can scan, analyze and store any bladed weapon.
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>>124417785
>only bladed weapons
He can analyze everything he understands, to make kiritsugu's mystic code he would need to know how it works and then he would be able to do it.
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>>124418044
No he can't.

With swords, Shirou can simply look at them once and he'll instantly have its information stored within his Reality Marble. He doesn't have that clairvoyance with anything else. It's limited solely to swords. Shirou's Projection doesn't work like it does with other Magi. When he recreates a weapon, what he's actually doing is "retrieving" it from Unlimited Blade Works. Things that aren't swords aren't stored there, so he needs to actually commit them to memory.

With anything other than swords, he'd need to directly analyze their structures using his structural analysis thaumaturgy (what he does when he fixes that heater at the beginning of Fate). And even if he does analyze it, it won't be stored within Unlimited Blade Works, so it'd require a bit more effort on his part to replicate it.

Regardless, even if he can recreate the Thompson Contender and bullets, he won't be able to replicate any thaumaturgical effects placed on them. He can replicate the Jeweled Sword Zelretch, but he won't be able to replicate Rin's mana-charged gems. He might be able to recreate the structure of the gem, but not the mana inside it.
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>>124418044
magic has an element, like crystals, lightning or whatever. Shirou's element is swords
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>>124418756
Here's the main problem.

It'd be easy for him to analyze the composition and structure of the Thompson Contender. He'd just need to use that structural analysis thaumaturgy of his and scan it. But the thing is, all that would help him scan is the gun. Unless he understands the thaumaturgy used to forge the Mystic Code, he won't be able to replicate the "Mystic" part of it. It'll just be a normal bootleg gun. Same with the bullets. Even if he could analyze its structure, it's not like he can recreate the actual spell behind it. He shouldn't know anything about Origin-based thaumaturgy or any of Kiritsugu's craft, so he wouldn't be able to recreate any of it properly.

With swords, he doesn't really need to understand the fairy forging process. The necessary information is stored in his Reality Marble. It's like storing an image in his memory. When he uses projection to replicate a sword, he's basically superimposing that image onto reality. A computer doesn't have to understand the how or why, it merely has to have the data recorded in it in order to replicate it. Case in point, he was able to recreate the Jeweled Sword, but didn't know a thing about how it was made or how it worked.

But that only works with things stored in his Reality Marble. He can't store guns or bullets inside his Reality Marble, so he needs to actually understand what he's doing in order to replicate it. And if he could understand Kiritsugu's thaumaturgy well enough to replicate it, then he'd really have no need to recreate the Mystic Code at all. Plus, he wouldn't be able to use Kiritsugu's Origin Bullets anyway, since he doesn't share Kiritsugu's Origin. It's like how he wouldn't be able to use Fragarach due to not having any Fraga blood inside him.
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>>124418300
That's not true. He is fascinated by swords, but he can project non bladed weapons as well, and in fact in Hollow Ataraxia he even projects a modern fishing rod.

If it could copy the original properties of Mystic Code or Origin Bullets is something I don't know, but considering the fact he was able to project Rho Aias I'd say he can.
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>>124419114
Defensive armaments can be stored in Unlimited Blade Works. The cost is higher than it would be for a sword, but his Reality Marble can analyze and sore shields as well.

Take note: He can recreate anything so long as he understands the composition and structure. It doesn't need to be stored in his Reality Marble in order for him to do so. However, with things that aren't in his Reality Marble, it becomes more difficult. With swords, he can recreate not only its outer appearance, but its entire composition, the reason for its creation, its history, its past owners. Everything is recorded simply at a glance. But that doesn't work with things that aren't melee weapons or defensive armaments. With anything else, he'd need to analyze the object manually. Composition analysis thaumaturgy doesn't record information quite as thoroughly as his Reality Marble can. He can analyze the structure and composition, but he can't sympathize with it.

This is why his attempt to recreate Archer's bow in the Fate route failed. He didn't have a perfect record of the weapon inside him. He had to manually recreate it from memory, hence why it bore little resemblance to Archer's bow.

When Archer recreated those fishing rods, he didn't pull them out of Unlimited Blade Works. He recreated them from memory. Most likely, he thoroughly examined the rods somehow beforehand. Perhaps he owned them in life, or maybe he analyzed some rods in a fishing store on the sly.
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>>124419319
>But that doesn't work with things that aren't melee weapons or defensive armaments
Nice asspull.
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>>124420223
It's not an asspull. Why do you think Unlimited Blade Works is filled with nothing but swords? Nasu even said that his shit's limited to melee weapons.

Shirou can't instantly analyze anything and everything he sees. His instant analysis has always been limited to melee armaments. This is all made abundantly clear not only by the VN, but by supplementary materials and creator interviews as well.
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>>124420223
This is how Shirou's instant analysis works.

When Shirou sees a melee weapon, it's instantly stored in Unlimited Blade Works. Thus, he's able to draw data directly from that stored information. The reason he could immediately figure out what kind of Noble Phantasm Rule Breaker was is because it was recorded in Unlimited Blade Works the moment he saw it. He's drawing data directly from that record.

So if something isn't stored in Unlimited Blade Works, that means he can't immediately draw information on it.
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>>124417255
If he touches it, he can analyze the components. Remember the heating unit he fixed?

If he knows the components, it can be reproduced.
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>>124420731
Yeah, but as stated, that would only reproduce the gun. It wouldn't reproduce the magecraft.
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>>124420731
Not if it has Mystery.

>>124420223
Read CM3. Pre-CM3 it was "only melee weapons but he can do other stuff, it's just harder", post-CM3 it's now "only swords and he needs to individually recreate each part of its existence in the most painstaking possible manner if he wants to do literally anything else". CM3 retconned a lot.

What he does with swords isn't even Projection in the first place.

Besides, he doesn't have his dad's origin, and the Mystic Code is a three-parter based off of the gun, the bullet, and Kerry's prana as a catalyst. Read the F/Z LN.
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>>124420999
It wasn't exactly retconned. There actually aren't many instances of Shirou projecting anything other than stuff stored in his Reality Marble in Fate. His process for recreating non-swords is never actually delved into.
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>>124421192
Yeah, but before then the whole "Shirou can project Gae Bolg" faction was a lot more common.
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>>124417785
Are you implying guns can't be swords?
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>>124417255
He could trace the Contender as a gun, but what makes it Kiritsugu's Mystic Code is the influence of Kiritsugu's Origin in the form of his powdered ribs in the bullets. He couldn't replicate that.
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How does the whole "copy the original user's power" thing work with tracing, anyway?
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>>124421301
It's not really "copying the user's power".

Let's say Shirou traces Durandal. Shirou doesn't know how to use Durandal, he has no clue, but you know who does know how to use Durandal? Durandal.

Durandal "remembers" how to be used, it remembers how Roland swung it around. By virtue of Shirou tracing it, Durandal "moves based on its memories" and Shirou gets taken for the ride. As Durandal swings itself at the enemy and Shirou gets dragged along with it, tracing basically means that Shirou gets everything he needs to "use Durandal effectively", which in this case would be something similar to Roland's stats. Of course, his body will start tearing itself apart, but that's beside the point.

Basically it's less "Shirou knows how to use the sword and gets strong" and more "the sword does everything for him".
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>>124421232
Actually, Gae Bolg probably is stored in there. He was able to instantly figure out that the one in Gil's fault was the real deal. He wouldn't be able to do that if it wasn't stored in his Reality Marble. Same with Rho Alas. He was able to project his own immediately after glimpsing it just once in the Rin route.

Unlimited Blade Works seems to accept anything so long as it's a melee armament. Come to think of it, it probably stored standards, too.
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>>124421373
*stored scabbards too
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his projected gay bulge wouldn't have "lol instakill JK XD not against you though" special power magic move so what's the point?
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>>124421373
No yeah, that's why I called it a retcon. Before CM3 we were like "oh, it's melee weapons so he can have spears and stuff", but then CM3 said "yeah, it's only bladed weapons. Also Aias."

pre-CM3 was melee, post-CM3 was bladed. That's why CM3 retconned stuff in the VN, like the CG where EMIYA has spears and stuff projected.
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>>124421373
Archer can project a pro fishing pole that was advertised but not sold in stores yet.
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>>124421487
Doesn't have mystery. When it has mystery, it's different.
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>>124421441
Like I said, he instantly knew Gil's Gae Bolg was the real deal, even in the vanilla version. That would mean it got stored in Unlimited Blade Works the moment he saw it.

It wasn't so much a region as it was a minor correction.
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>>124421494
It was a fishing pole that even Gil desired and told Archer to give it to him if Gil fished more fish than Archer.
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>>124421524
That doesn't mean it has mystery.
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>>124421441
Gae Bolg is a bladed weapon, though. It has a blade.
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>>124421555
Gil said the fishing pole was good enough to be added to his collection, meaning that it was good enough to be included in GoB.
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>>124421301
When he traces a weapon he copies it down to the history of the weapon, even the number of times it's been swung.

Knowing the history of the weapon allows him to wield it properly.
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>>124420999
i thought that you just needed the bullet to be shot at someone prana free in order for the his code to work?
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if Gil knew shirou's element was swords

what would shirou do if he spammed polearms and other melee weapons that arent swords
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>>124421719
>True threat of the pistol doesn't lie with the physical destructive power put into force by explosives and bullets, but custom "mystic bullets" (only twelve remaining). Bone powder extracted from Kiritsugu's own body is sealed in the core of the bullet tip and when fired and charged with Kiritsugu's Prana, it will smash Kiritsugu's magus "origin" ("severing" and "binding") into the target.
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But can he trace the strongest sword?
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>>124421719
>The special bullets installed along with the gun in the case― in the core of the twelve remaining shots are sealed powdered bones from Kiritsugu himself. When Kiritsugu's prana is fired, these "magical bullets" forces into the target the 'origin' of the magus named Kiritsugu.
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>>124421777
>if Gil knew shirou's element was swords
It was weapons originally but got retconned for bladed weapons. So he can still have spears, axes and halberds
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>>124420731

That wouldn't matter, Kerry's mystic code was a function of his mystic soul attribute thingy. Shirou doesn't have Cutting and Binding, he wouldn't be able to create the magical effect inherent in that.
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>>124421889
Then Gil could have thrown things that aren't weapons at him.
He's got all kinds of things in his vault, right?
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>>124422018
I haven't played CCC, so all I know that he has in there besides weapons is Enkidu (the chains), wine, his (destroyed after the 4th war) plane thingy and fishing poles

True, Enkidu might have been useful inside UBW, but you can always make up the excuse that Gil wasn't able to think rationally while being rushed
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>>124422018
There are plenty of ways Gil could have won the fight if he was being competent. He has original shields, he has original trapping components, thanks to Apo he should have the original of Astolfo's book that breaks RMs when you say its name, etc.

He was too enraged by "ONOREEEEE" to think straight, so he fell back to spamming weapons. Gil has a perfect load-out, GoB (especially with CCC being a thing) is ridiculously strong, compound that with his "See All the Gods Cannot" passive that CCC clarified is why he can do stuff like see through Lancy's FSG and automatically tell that Kojiro is a demon with a sword, and he's unfair as hell. He looks at you, then sees all your weaknesses and can pull out every counter you have to crush you completely.

The problem is that he's Gil, so he'll never do that. He'll just throw swords at you and laugh.

Well, except for CCC.
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>>124417255
Is a gun a sword, OP?

No, put down your shitty copy of your shitty game. Gunblades are retarded and don't count.

No they are not. Guns are not swords so Shirou can't do the one trick Rin ponies onto. His magic is SWORDS. His core is SWORDS. His existance is SWORDS.

Now, would he be able to produce an IDEON (tm) BEAM SABER sword? That's debatable.
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>>124422134
If even Astolfo doesn't know the name of the book, I doubt Gil would remember the name of the prototype, among all his other treasures
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>>124422164
>Is a gun a sword, OP?
Yes.
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>>124422164
actually his magic is blades not swords, hence unlimited blade works.
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>>124422245
And now I'm imagining Shirou's body healing itself through guns instead of swords.
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>>124422397
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>>124422211
I dont think using Astolfo worked very well there, i doubt he even remembers to wear panties.
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SHIROU IS A FUCKING SWORD
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>>124423023
SHIROU IS A SWORD MADE FOR FUCKING
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Reminder that Archer has weapons similar to EA that can destroy other reality marbles hidden some where in UBW.
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>gils weapons are real, shirous are just headcanon
whoa
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>>124423203
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>>124423023
Can Shirou project himself?
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>>124423203
Technically, Fate's Gilgamesh is a myth projection so anything linked to him could be considered a fake.
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Can Shirou survive this?
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>>124424010
if he some how stopped caring and let it happen in the first place, no
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>>124421524
>>124421608
>Gil wanted a motherfucking fishing pole that badly.
Holy shit that's hilarious.
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>>124417255
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If Shirou slept with Archer, would it be considered masturbation?
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>>124426909
Depends if Shirou is consenting
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>>124427200
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>>124426909
If Saber was nearby watching, would the effects of Avalon continuously regenerate Shirou's anus from the Unlimited Buttfuck Works he's getting, thus restoring his booty cherry?
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>>124420784
Maybe it will be classed as Noble Phantasm after he's dead? I mean, he did die saving people, kinda.
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>>124427354
I'm more interested if they both cum at the same time, would it make a contract like Shirou did with Rin?
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What if Archer decided to impregnate every girl Shirou knew in an attempt to prevent Shirou from trying to be a hero? Would Shirou have the time or money to become a hero?
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>>124428352
Shirou turns all his children into seigi no mikatas, making them save even more people than he ever could
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>that look of intense rage

This shit was literally worse than NTR. He was so helpless...
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>>124429310
it's not rage, it's despair
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>>124429362
Fuck I could feel him so much. The little nigga just wants to be a hero, I guess this was a lesson that he can't save everyone... I really like his character. I don't know why everyone else hates him. He's not even a moralfag. He's just a selfless gentleman.
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>>124429310
>>124429362
this scene reminded me of something
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>>124429484
best Berserker
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>>124429430
He has balls, I'll give you that. And bluntly confessing to the main girl halfway through the series was a stroke of genius.
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>>124429572
>Guts will never be summoned as a heroic Berserker spirit
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>>124429430
Well, the anime does goes out of his way to make him look like an useless faggot, being unable to hear most of his inner thoughts doesn't help either. It's been a while since I read the VN, but I'm pretty sure that after yelling Gil to stop, Shirou jumps from the railing to confront him, but in the last episode Gil just fuck him with a sword.
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>>124429709
I admire his strength of will.
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>>124429430

Nobody but secondaries hate Shirou. He's atypically manly for a VN protagonist and even straight-up tells Rin he likes her. A pity there will never be cute, romantic scenes between them in the anime.

You will never see Shirou welcoming Rin home from work/Clocktower stuff with a hot meal and a kiss on the cheek. Househusband life best life.
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>>124424010
Rho Aias.
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>>124429914
>You will never see Shirou welcoming Rin home from work/Clocktower stuff with a hot meal and a kiss on the cheek. Househusband life best life.


NAAASUUU
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>>124429430
People don't hate Shirou they pity his mentally disturbed ass at worst.

What people hate is the maximum overedge oh so distorted n angsty fan interpretations of Shirou/Archer.
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>>124429618
There actually was a surprisinglywell written fanfic that has him summoned as Assassin, rather than Berserker, yet winding up taking care of Illya after killing Berserker. Probably because it was pretty short, but still, pretty good.
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>>124429914

Why even live?

>tfw their kids would be adorable.
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>>124429618
There are many characters that I would like to see thrown in the HGW for shit and giggles, but Guts would be pretty interesting
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>>124429430
There are three types of people who hate Shirou.

The most common aren't even secondaries, they're just mindless cretins repeating memes: "shirou is dense!" or "Shirou is just a sexist idiot!" and so on. You see these types on /a/ more than anywhere else.

The next group is Zero-first secondaries. They typically hate Shirou because he's not Kiritsugu, and they see him as representing all the "flaws" with F/SN (namely that it's not relentlessly grim and melodramatic).

The last group are a minority, because it's made up of people who have read the source material yet for whatever reason don't like Shirou's character (strong suspicion that most of this type are butthurt Gil-fags).
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>>124430530
More like the third group hate him because they scream asspull for UBW. Or they are Shikifags. Or both.
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>>124430626

My theory is that they're those people who get jealous of any MC because "HURR HE'S STEALING MUH WAIFU". It sounds retarded, petty, and juvenile, but it still happens. They can't identify with him, so they view him as competition for their 2D crush.
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>>124430151

I would laugh if it actually worked against Ea.
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>>124421608
>Gil why are you throwing a fishing pole at saber
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>>124430151
>>124430934
Seven fortress walls would dampen it pretty well, but it would most certainly batter them down and kill him anyway. It's not a thrown projectile, so the conceptual weapon does not activate.
Probably would be enough to let Excalibur bash through Enuma Elish, in parallel to the Excalibur/Rho Aias/Bellerophon clash.
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>>124424010
Nah

Aias couldn't even defend against one of the weakest attacks from it
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>>124431089

Aias did successfully block the weakest known variation of it, though. Gil was annoyed that he survived even that much.
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>>124431120
That was Archer's Rho aias though.
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>There will never be a route with lancer as an ally through the entire thing

I just want him to win a fight for once
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>>124431368

Just finished that. Pretty dope.
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I would like to see EMIYA fight Bazett even though i know EMIYA would lose. At least it would be a good read i hope.
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>>124418044
>>124418300
He can also theoretically a blueprint of make anything he understands, so long he uses enough time and prana.
He can also make blue copies of things he does not understand, if he has enough time and mana, and the object to copy.

I.E: Zeldretch Dagger


The thing people forget about FZN and its magic system, is that rituals exists.

>>124419009
>he won't be able to replicate the "Mystic" part of it.
He can blue copy it. The problem is that he can not
1. Activate the Mystic Code
2. Understand it
Its like reading Uni level endgame math, when you have barely been taught arthemetics. You can copy what is on the blackboard, but you do not understand it.

>>124420223
UBW is a sliding scale of
1. Its a sword
2. Its not a sword
The more it goes away from 1, the more expensive it gets. Once you go into things that are very well not swords, I.E: Armor, it gets very difficult.
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>>124431551
I don't think that EMIYA (at least assuming that you are talking about Archer) would lose to Bazett.

If you mean EMIYA during his life, I agree.
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>>124429914
>>124430191
>>124430530
You all do know Shirou was never a popular character even when only the VN existed and there were no secondaries, right? On moonspeak threads it comes up fairly often how Shirou isn't a very charismatic character to begin with and how most normal readers would like Fate not not care that much for Shirou.

This idea that no one would possibly dislike Shirou if they just read the VN is full delusion.
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Since people can be made out of swords, then can shirou create sword waifus to fuck?
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Is there any project going to ad the voices to F/HA?
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>>124432838
There's a vita version being done
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>>124432771
>>124432662
I feel like an EMIYA vs Bazett fight would play out a bit like her fight with Saber. Instead of drawing out an Excalibur blast, she'd be waiting for Caladbolg, or Hrunting, or some other NP.

He wouldn't know anything about Fragarach until it's fired, since he can't see it as a weapon no matter how he looks at it when it's still the leaden sphere
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>>124432838
Yes. Someone recorded all the dialogue from the Vita version and is timing it with the VN on PC. The progress should be on BL.
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>>124432771
This.

Personally I don't dislike him as a character, but I feel like he's a poor perspective character. Chide about self inserts all you want, there are very good reasons for making a first person POV character someone relatable.
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>>124432914
I'm pretty sure that EMIYA "trump card" is UBW though, and could Bazett even sustain a direct fight against a Servant? Also, Archer's standard arrows can mow down houses.
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>>124432922
Forget the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ShPOZvbFLA
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>>124432914
Archer would kill Bazett very quickly without issue. Unless she has Avenger, she isn't going to beat a Servant normally despite her boasting.
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>>124432979
But stuff like caladbolg, hrunting and such are still trump cards, just not ones directly related to him.

Right, just EMIYA and Bazett, I'm rereading the scene with her and lancer and I was thinking that avenger would be there too
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>>124432948
>there are very good reasons for making a first person POV character someone relatable
Are you retarded?

Shirous entire character was made because they wanted to show how fucked up and broken a person would have to be to be a hero of justice.
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>>124433043
With that logic Bazett should able to one shot Gil once he uses GoB.
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>>124430240
Do you think you could find this fanfic again? That sounds really interesting.
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>>124433091
That doesn't really have anything to do with anon's point, and it wasn't executed very well anyway tbh.
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>>124432922
That sounds like a fucking crazy way to do it.

Guess I'm a fool for thinking it'd be easy to rip files from a vita game.
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>>124421279
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If Excalibur was a mace or an axe instead of a sword, would seiba still be a saber class servant? Is someones viability as a saber dependent upon their use of swords? If there was a hero who had no defining characteristics outside of using a club/axe would they be unsummonable because they don't "fit" into a class?
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>>124417785
>He can scan, analyze and store any bladed weapon.
Like Rho Aias?
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>>124433218
Actually it was done really goddamn well. Just its not something that transfers well to anime since most of your glimpses in how fucked up Shirous mind are from monologues.
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http://animeanime.jp/article/2015/04/23/22982.html

>「#00」では凛の視点であるがゆえに衛宮士郎の顔が見えないのだという。それは凛が彼に対してまだ何の感情も抱いていなかったからとのことだ。

>In the prologue from Rin's perspective, Shirou's face wasn't shown. This was to show that Rin had no particular feelings towards him then.
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>>124433346
I far prefer the way the anime does it as opposed to Shirou's monologues that beat you over the head with repetitive bullshit that doesn't even translate to his general personality.
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>>124430240
>>124433188
Is this the fanfic?

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4178432/10/Miracle
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>>124433264
New classes can be made. Only the three knights are set in stone in Fuyuki. Originally, Iskander was going to be a new class and then there's Avenger.
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>>124433392
Nasu agrees btw.
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>>124433454
but is the "saber" of the saber class a metaphorical one? like is sword use dependent upon being classed as one like lance use is for being a lancer?
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>>124433091
That has nothing to do with what I said. Read the post again.
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>>124433439
Holy fucking shit I just read this and it was amazing. It captured the essence of Berserk and Guts as an individual. This is exactly what I fucking expected if there was a crossover.
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>>124433656
A story on fanfiction.net that it's actually good? What is this?
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>>124433099
That's exactly what happened in Prisma. If Dark!Gil didn't regenerate she would've won.
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>>124433595
Yes. It's knight of the sword.
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>>124433656
Gonna read it sometime.
Next chapter never.
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>>124433831
I really enjoyed it. I've read berserk 13 times.
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>>124429362
>His lewdness is a great nightmare
>His anus is defenceless.
>It contracts every time I move, looking like a second reproductive opening.
>Emiya's Rho Aias.
>The dirtiest part of him is right in front of me.
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>>124433888
I wish that bastard Miura would stop trying to fucking write and draw the manga all by himself. He needs an entire studio. That dude is fucking loaded and can totally afford it.
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>>124433477
And why should I care about what the Japanese George Lucas thinks? He wrote a great character by accident and now that he wants to change him into something else he is ruining the entire story. Nasu shortcomings as an author gave us the F/SN that we know and love, changing things up just because it didn't turn out like he wanted is just turning it into complete trash. His success has gone to his head and now he thinks he is actually a good writer. People complain about Miura when it's clear that it's Nasu's incompetence that is the problem.
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>>124433996
Hey asshole, the title of Japanse George Lucas will always be Anno's
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>>124433984
Is there even an annoucement for the next chapter?
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>>124433996
No, it's more like Nasu is being nice because it's not like he is allowed to say "eh no miura fucked up big time". Miura is clearly a shit director.
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>>124434097
The problem is Nasu's inconsistency though.
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>>124433477
are there scans for the rest of the pages?
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>>124434077
I don't know. We need to ask 2ch. I'm sure they'd know.
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>>124433996
And again I'll remind you that Shirou was never a popular or well liked character even when only the VN existed.

People liked the idea of his story, sure, but that's the reason Archer is the one who became crazy popular, because to most people Archer is the more compelling portrayal of it. In moonspeak discussion most of the time when someone brings up complaints about Shirou not being very likable in the show it gets countered with "that's how it's always been" or "it's been that way for ten years now."

To be honest the show has probably made Shirou more popular that he's ever been. He's done way better in recent ufotable and newtype polls that he ever did in any others. inb4 japan has shit taste etc, etc, but unfortunately the Japanese market and the ideas of Japanese George Lucas are the only things that actually matter here.
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>>124434201
I haven't been in Berserk threads for months.
Is !hawk still alive?
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>>124434221
> In moonspeak discussion most of the time when someone brings up complaints about Shirou not being very likable in the show it gets countered with "that's how it's always been" or "it's been that way for ten years now."
Actual evidence of this, please.
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>>124433849
>Prisma.
Why are you using this as source for anything? Holy shit.
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post you're roster for a new holy grail war.

Saber: A literal sword that possesses the Master (something like Muramasa maybe?)
Lancer: Longinus
Archer: Odysseus
Assassin: Brutus
Caster: Rasputin
Berserker: Cu
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>>124434303
Yeah, I think. I haven't heard from tane in a while though. Those threads wouldn't be complete without !hawk, tane, and noname. The 3 godhands.
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>>124434460
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>>124434455
Saber:Arturia-clone
Archer:Arturia-clone
Lancer:Arturia-clone
Rider:Arturia-clone
Caster:Arturia-clone
Assassin:Arturia-clone
Berserker:Arturia-clone

Crisis of the Infinite Sabers.
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>>124434176
Nasu first page
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>>124434534
I could actually see this happening in a comedic spin-off
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>>124434552
Miura 1
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>>124434591
Miura 2
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>>124434455
Saber: Dante from the Divine Comedy
Lancer: I don't know, Longinius seems like a good choice
Archer: Herakles
Rider: Genghis Khan
Assassin: Cain
Caster: Morgan le Fay
Berserker: Samson
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What''s so special about sakura and why angra mainyu can be born in this world only in hf?
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>>124434647
>Saber: Dante from the Divine Comedy
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>>124434678
The OG Dante, none of that DmC shit
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>>124434647
Not bad at all. Although Cain trying to kill someone with an ass jaw would be to funny.
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>>124434676
after the 4th war, Zouken shoved pieces of the broken Lesser Grail into Sakura
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Why doesn't Shirou just trace servants?
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>>124434527
I kind of miss them and those threads.
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>>124434722
But this is the original one
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>>124434788
because you're stupid
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>>124430840

It's probably 75% this, honestly.
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if kerry passed his crest on to shirou would he be able to use it?
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>>124434741
So what?
Ilya is a lesser grail too, yet angra can't be born in the world through her.
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>>124434807
Was Dante the first author to self-insert?
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>>124434887
No.
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>>124434887
Kerry can't pass his crest to shirou.
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>>124434976
Well, he was the first one to do so blatantly
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>>124434552
>Nasu literally admitting they intentionally made Saber prettier than Rin for the sake of wanking her even though it's the Rin Route

Holy fuck and people had the audacity to call people tinfoilers for seeing through this conspiracy
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>>124434678
Because you aren't properlymotivated.
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>>124435058
Anon please, I'm always motivated
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>>124432771

Charisma is for boys, heroic ideals are for men.
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>>124434552
>The first time that the Unlimited blade works has been adapted
>I wanted them to do the saber route but everyone knows it, that's why it hasn't been animated for TV before

DEEN has been completely forgotten by them
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>>124434455
>Saber: Miyamoto Musashi
>Lancer: Fiore dei Liberi
>Archer: Orion
>Rider: Marco Polo
>Assassin: Gavrilo Princip
>Caster: Bercilak de Hautdesert
>Berserker: Beofwulf
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>>124435164
Isn't Fiore more of a swordsman than a spearman?
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>>124433264

Paradoxically, I think Sabers can use those too. Remember her dialogue in her first fight against Lancer right after being summoned?
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>>124435322
That's probably just her fucking with him

She does say it may even be a bow
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>>124434722
But DMC3 Dante could potentially shit on Gil while not giving much fucks
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>>124433264
>>124433595
>>124433862
>>124435322
>>124435358
Saber is any melee power combatant just like Archer is any ranged combatant and Lancer is any melee speed combatant.
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>>124434799
If you miss them, why did you keep bullying them until they all left?
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>>124433354

What, really? Hahaha, wow, why would they do that?
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>>124435254
His work covered grappling, knives, swords, and spears. The short spear was also a very popular knightly weapon at the time.
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>>124434455
Saber: Hercules
Lancer: Hercules
Archer: Hercules
Rider: Hercules
Assassin: Hercules
Muscle Wizard: Hercules
Berserker: Hercules

Everyone also has a top-tier mana battery Homunculus as a master.
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>>124435111
Seen his DMC4SE gameplay? Fucking great.
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>>124424010
here another one.

Can Touman with his Right Arm survive this?
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>>124435417
No, Saber is sword only, Archer is general projectiles, and Lancer long range melee weapons (or the Counter Force if you're Enkidu).
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>>124434455
Saber: Roland
Lancer: Brynhildr
Archer: William Tell
Assassin: Thug Beram
Rider: El Cid
Caster: Hermes Trismegistus
Berserker: Goliath
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>>124434455
>Archer: Odysseus
That would be so based.
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>>124434647
>Morgan le Fay

How have we not gotten her as a Servant yet, especially with how much this series loves Arthurian legend?
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>>124435514
Yep, I'm hyped and MOTIVATED
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>>124435627
Maybe she is a Saber clone and have to delay her for some Fate release that needs it's obligatory Saber clone.
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>>124435540
I don't even know what the fuck is going on that webm, but Imagine Breaker almost no-selled an universe busting attack
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>>124433354

Really? My phone's translator said something about her not embracing her feelings towards him yet.
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>>124434221

I like Shirou. It takes a real man to cook for so many women.
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>>124434097
That's hard to believe when Miura describes how he had a certain idea on how to approach Shirou's arc, but Nasu came in and told him "no Shirou doesn't grow or change and also he never smiles ever" which actually bewildered him at the time. Nasu goes into too much detail on his end to think he's just half-heartedly covering for Miura. He had a strong idea about Shirou's character he felt he didn't quite convey properly in the VN because it was so long and he felt bogged down by the need to entertain readers, and saw the anime as the chance to do it right.
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>>124435936
Well, his idea of how Shirou should be is awful.
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>>124435781
>まだ何の感情も
This part basically means "still no feelings", 抱いて can literally mean "embrace" but in this context it's obviously used in a general way.
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>>124435998
I prefer Nasu's over explanation over Miura having his only monologue being muh seigi no mikata
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>>124434303
>I haven't been in Berserk threads for months.
There have been plenty.
Lurk more.
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>>124435998
To be honest, Nasu's talk about how Shirou should be was always there.

But it was portrayed in Archer's flashbacks of the person he was as a human instead of through Shirou directly, because again Nasu felt readers needed to be entertained by Shirou's POV. If anything he's just finally making things consistent.
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>>124434740

Why are ass jawbones so OP in the bible?
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>>124434895

What happens if you pour water into a cracked cup? It leaks out, right? That's what Sakura is, a defective vessel, where Illya is tight and pure so no drops of Angra can escape.
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>>124433477
Reminder that Nasu said the DEEN anime was great. Don't listen to a single thing he says.
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>>124417255
>mystic code
The expressions abused on 4chan to mean "penis" are getting retarded.
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>>124436526
You can write off saying something as general as "it's great" as someone being polite.

You can't really do that with all this detail, talking specifically about what he felt he didn't do right in the VN, and describing how he actually went in and forcefully corrected the director's initial idea of Shirou's character.
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>>124435041

Lady Murasaki self-inserted as a loli for Prince Genji to fawn over, does that count?
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>>124435549

No, that's bullshit.
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Maybe, maybe not. He can make just about anything with projection but he's only really good at making swords. Pretty much anything else is just a husk.
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What if we made a sword/dagger out of Kiritsugus remaining Mystic code?
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>doubting Shirou's unlimited potential
top kek
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>>124436365
They really are, Samson killed an entire army just using an ass' jawbone,

It's like the weapon of choice for biblical figures
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>>124435453

My phone's translator said something about her not having embraced her feelings yet, but my phone's translator also turned the article into a mass of Engrish.
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>>124435559

Poseidon needs to be a Dio-tier villain in his backstory.
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>>124421608
When does this hilarity happens?
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>>124436791

Saber Samson when? It's past time we had a beefy, macho Saber.
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>>124436445

So, you're saying that Sakura's chalice is looser and less pure than Illya's?
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>>124436445

Lewd as fuck
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>>124434455
>Rider: Candace of Meroë
>Archer: Odysseus
>Saber: Hua Mulan
>Lancer: Lugh
>Berserker: Angrim
>Assassin: Marcus Julius Brutus
>Caster: Circe
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>>124432771
>You all do know Shirou was never a popular character
Popular compared to who? Saber? Archer? Yeah they're way more popular than him. But he wasn't disliked. Overall perception of him was positive, especially compared to, say, Shiki in Tsukihime.
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>>124437338
He even beat Archer in the TM April Fools
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>>124437207
>Candace of Meroë
>Ancient queen whose army was so fucking huge that Iskander himself retreated after just looking at it
>Wrote a war elephant that was fuckhuge even by their standard

I like it
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>>124437338
That anon's full of shit. Shirou had always been the second most popular male Fate character until the Zero anime according to all the popularity polls typemoon conducted, and he still managed to place 12th in the 10th anniversary poll before the new UBW anime came out beating Ilya and Waver. Shirou may not be in the realm of the most popular characters like the heroines or Archer, but he's still popular all things considered.
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>>124435690
I came with the force of a thousand suns.
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>>124437790
Based Itsuno bringing the nothing personnel kid to the next level.
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>>124434455

All women no-genderbend edition here

Saber: Hervor (the one who got the Tyrfing sword)
Archer: Nusaybah bint Ka'ab (early turned Muslim, Mohammed himself said that there was no man comparable to her and some sources say she used a bow)
Lancer: Nzinga of Ndongo and Matamba (African ruler who fought those pesky whities)
Assassin: Mochizuki Chiyome (female ninja and leader of an organization of female ninja/spies)
Caster: Deborah (From the book of the Judges)
Rider: Artemisia I of Caria (the real one, not the 300 sequel version)
Berserker: Tomyris (Iranian ruler, went to kill Cyrus the Great in revenge for her son's suicide when he got captured)
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>>124434552
They were going to completely revamp Rin? Now I wonder what they had in mind with that.
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