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>https://twitter.com/erkin_kawabata/status/589384655796731904

>KyoAni shows aren't very high-budget and in fact below average

Based KyoAni finds a way to BTFO other studios despite using less money
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Kyoani is the best studio, everyone already knows this.
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BTFO how exactly? They haven't made a decent show in years.
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>>124273326
>They haven't made a decent show in years.
Shit taste detected
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Kyoani once again confirmed as best studio ever.
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>>124273255
>Based KyoAni finds a way to BTFO other studios despite using less money

Not hard to accomplish since almost never something fancy happens in their recent series.
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>>124273326
>They haven't made a decent show in months
Fixed
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>>124273436
And their shows still look better than most others.
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>>124273436
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>And the interesting story I heard
Who is this person anyway?
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>>124273649
Erukin Kawabata, key animator and director.
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>>124273766
All right, then.
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I'm sure they're just defending themselves because Euphonium is flopping hard.
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>>124274196
Not their fault Nippon has shit taste and only full of fanservice garbage as -gatari series sells like shit
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>>124274304
Euphonium reminds me too much of concert band. The super-serious "Victory or death" people pretty much ruin everything.
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>>124274196
>defending themselves
I don't think any studio cares about what some weeaboos on a Chinese cartoon image board are saying about them
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>>124274963
They do actually.
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>>124275160
Why would they?
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>>124273326
Your shit taste aside, their shows have been selling more than decently. So yeah, they BTFO the other studios if they spend less and earn more.
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>>124274642
>Euphonium reminds me too much of concert band.
Japan needs an anime about marching bands or drum corps. Some determined student decides to revive their school's marching band, and works to recruit other students to the cause. Their ultimate goal is to get straight Superiors at regionals, and then, at Koshien. Er, rather, the marching band equivalent of nationals. Loads of characters, lots of passion, potential for both drama and comedy, etc. It could be great.

I mean, if we can get shows about American football, why not some about American-style bands?
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>>124275585
Because marching band is actually pretty boring.

>Can't talk 'cause spaced out on field.
>Run same pictures over and over because clarinets can't march.
>Yell at the Trombone in your section who lets his horn sag constantly.
>Do this every day for months.
>Go to competition and march.
>The end.
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>>124275160
How do they care about the western audience?
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>>124273326
/thread
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>some faggots states something
>no source whatsover
>kyoanus is now saved


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>124273255
>Implying all their shows succeed.
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>>124276099
>kyoanus
dead
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>>124276099
A notable animator isn't just "some faggot".
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>>124273255
That lewd background.
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KyoAni's shows has been getting less animated each time a new one comes out. Amagi was pitifully animated compared to their earlier shows.
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>>124275853
>Because marching band is actually pretty boring.
You could say the same for a lot of things that have made good manga/anime.
>Go is boring
>Farming is boring
>Wine-tasting is boring
It's all in the execution. I think there's a lot of potential for fun characters and stories in the concept. And anything that's too boring could get glossed over easily.

Not that any of that matters, I guess, since marching doesn't appear to be a thing in Japan.
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>>124274196
Who cares, fuck the nips and BDS aren't the main source of income. Eupho is my anime of the season so that's all that matters.
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how do you know other studios don't use less money that kyoani does?
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>>124273326
I would consider Hyouka to be made recently, and that's an excellent show, Kyoani's magnum opus.
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>>124276386
That tweet aside, Kyoani uses less animators per episode than the vast majority of shows. They use less than ten animators per episode on average while the typical show will easily have double the amount and that's not even including second key animation work.
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Good KyoAni shows Nichijou and before: 8

Good KyoAni shows post-Nichijou: 1
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>>124276296
The problem is that 99% of marching band doesn't involve any human interaction. You get your music and your little card that says where you're supposed to be on the field at each point, and you play the music and follow the card. You do this over and over until everyone can get it right. You might have little meetings before or after practice, but that's it. Cutting out all the boring parts would be literally cutting out the whole thing. With no chance for character interaction, you can't make it interesting.
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>>124276476
Hyouka was indeed gorgeous. Does Euphonium measure up? Haven't gotten around to watching it yet.

>>124276225
I finally got around to watching Kyoukai no Kanata the other day. Say what you want about the plot and characters, but it was pretty nice to look at. I don't have any gifs, though.
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>>124276572
>Good KyoAni shows post-Nichijou: 1
Yeah, Amagi was great. S2 soon after the euphonium fiasco.
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>>124276614
Did you see Tamako Love Story? Euphonium's visuals are pretty similar.
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>>124276653
>Yeah, Amagi was great.
That was the one that I unironically meant actually.
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>>124276605
There's a lot more to that, though.
>rehearsing the musical pieces in the concert hall
>picking section leaders and brass/woodwind captains
>fighting over who is first/second/third clarinet/trumpet, etc.
>struggling to balance the time demands of band with schoolwork
>rival schools, and interactions between them
>students trying to figure out if they should give up marching band (and let down their team) to to focus on pursuing their dream as a concert musician
Also, I don't know how much you experienced if you were in band, but there was more than enough human interaction going on during rehearsals. Perfect time for characters to talk. Not to mention the mishaps that could come from messing up on the field during actual shows. You just have to to break down the activity to its parts and play up the most interesting bits. Again, there's a lot of shows that are based around activities that seem boring at first, but the execution of the story makes it interesting enough.
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>>124276653
>S2
>when there's not enough source material
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>>124276739
Tamako love story made Yamads explore more visual effects such as depth of field, chromatic aberrations, and color filters
All of which are incorporated and done well in Euphonium
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>>124276182
"notable"
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>>124278029
>cherry picking
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Does it just come down to KyoAni being significantly better organized than other studios?
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>>124278066
This is literally the only screenshot I can find of his work. He doesn't even have a single sakuga booru entry.
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>>124277744
That's why she's the best.
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>>124278136
Not so notable, huh?
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>>124278135
No. It comes to kyoanus consistently have to dig for new excuses of the studio's latest failure.
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It's hard to take armchair financial analysts seriously when even professional financial analysts are usually bullshitters.
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>>124273255
Well yeah reusing characters probably saves a lot of money.
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>>124278135
Other studios are all in Tokyo, which has almost double the cost of living of Kyoto. It means that not only are their budgets lower, so they have to sell less to make a profit, but their employees can live much better lives. Low level animators that work in Tokyo often have to live more than 2 hours away from work, because they make so little, which means a 10 hour work day with a 2 hour train commute there and back. It's really crushingly terrible. But most of the industry is willing to be completly explotative just so they can have an office in a tredier place. Watching KyoAni is being a more ethical consumer, sort of like drinking fair trade coffee.
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>>124278183
>failure

They do whatever the fuck they want apparently. KyoAni does not produce these shows and expect them to sell extremely well. There is no excuse here. I guess they're always getting the money from the occasional adaptation.
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>>124278366
>Watching KyoAni is being a more ethical consumer, sort of like drinking fair trade coffee.
And just like most fair trade stuff it's overpriced shit. How apt.
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I always thought their shows had a high budget for how smooth, detailed, and colorful they were
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>>124278366
>making things significantly harder for yourself for no real reason
Yeah, that sounds like Japan.
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>>124278512
They probably do spend a good amount of money on their shows but it's probably down to their fantastic scheduling and the working conditions.
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>>124278366
>Watching KyoAni is being a more ethical consumer,
No, you stupid fuck. Buying their BDs is being a more ethical consumer. Watching their shitfests is like parking your car outside Starbucks to use their wifi and patting yourself on the back for it
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>>124277744
>done well
Those unnecessary effects are annoying as fuck. She should be fired because of overusing those stupid depth of field bull shit.
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Kyoani won't finish FMP and won't give the rights to a studio that will.

Kyoani can die for all I care.
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>>124278671
You just have shit taste.
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Why do autists get mad at the continued existence of Kyoani?
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>>124278674
KyoAni doesn't even have the rights. It's whatever fucking LN print that does.
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>>124278703
>autists

You answered your own question.
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>>124278366
>2 hour commute

topkek
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>>124278703
>Getting mad at chinese cartoon men
I just think most of their shows suck now, but I have great respect for their business practices and working conditions, and I wish all other studios would follow their example.
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>>124273255
How does he knows the budget of other studios?
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>>124278546
>Yeah, that sounds like Japan.
The "prime office location" thing happens a lot in the US, too. There are a ridiculous number of companies headquartered in Manhattan that could save a shit-ton if they'd just move to other parts of the city, or even Jersey. It would help their employees, too, since as the previous anon mentioned, most of them have to commute because they can't afford to live near their workplace.

The last place I worked at just laid off about a dozen people if they could just move their office out of the Flatiron District, they probably wouldn't have needed to let so many people go. But people love keeping up appearances.

Then you have places like San Francisco, where people choose to pay insane prices to live in the city and then actually commute to the less populated, less expensive areas where their workplace is located. Fucking Googlers.
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>>124273255
Bait?
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>>124278674
>kyoani owns the rights to FMP
At least research before you make such a retarded post
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>>124275862
>>124275209

Who said it was only Western? I'm sure that Japan has forums that talk about anime too. It's not like /a/ is the only image board out there about anime. They care because it influences their sales. More talk about how shitty something is usually results in less sales.
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>>124279061
because he's been an animator for many studios

http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/583.html
>Samurai Flamenco
>Hello Kiniro Mosaic
>Penguindrum
>Space Dandy
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People who love their jobs > Korean Slave Sweatshops

Higher productivity and talent allows wasting less money on unnecessary stuff like replacement whips for the slaves and constant remaking of keyframes outsourced to Tytanic.
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>>124273326
From a production values / direction standpoint Kyoani continues to do above average work.
Their scripts have been shit for years now though so I'm with you on that aspect.
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>>124278136
http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/583.html
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>>124275585
Euphonium will have them Marching with insitruments and in military like uniforms somewhere mid seasons. The only one without instrument will be Opal-chan, since she`s too small to carry Big Violin.
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>>124278674
>implying Kyoani owns the rights to FMP
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>>124279061
>How does he knows the budget of other studios?
People in the industry know how much anime costs to make, you had to know the average costings or you would get ripped off.

IMO, KyoAni's greatest strength is their organisation. They are famous in their industry not for the art, but for the fact that things get done on time. They have a schedule, and they follow it. This means they know how many days it takes to finish a job, and don't push the impossible like Shaft infamously do.

This is why voice actresses working in KyoAni shows make their recording against the backdrop of the near complete actual anime, while Shaft voice actresses had to record their lines against blank screens. To know accurately how many days it takes to do a task and achieve that to the day is an art. It requires planning, smart management, and realistic prediction of workspeed.

Recently it is revealed that sometimes KyoAni animators did have to do over-time. But they did point out that this isn't the norm, unlike other studios where people sleep at their desks.
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>>124279951
Also IIRC the staff get paid hourly instead of per-frame like most studios
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>>124279895
Someone should sent that story pasta to Kyoani.
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KyoAni should just make own Shirobako about themselves. For objectivity - directed by Yamakan.
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>>124273255
Thats not how it works. Kyoani spend less money on each project but spend more on regular worker's monthly wage.

Its different from other other studios who spend more money on each project because they need to pay part-time/freelance/outsource in high amount because they have very little to none regular staff.

So? Its still the same. If their show flopped below 5k or 6k, they'll still eat their shoes. The difference is, KyoAni will still live strong even with 5 consecutive flops because they still have animator school and a shop (I don't know how important the latter is, but the former holds significant value in their asset.
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>>124279944
Is Euphonium KyoAni owned?
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>>124274196
>Not their fault Nippon has shit taste

Holy shit this always get me triggered everymotherfuckingtime

SJWs get really bent out of shape about otaku culture. The oddities and heavy fetishism within it make it an easy target for them to pick apart since it comes off as strange to the general public. Things like ecchi anime and games are also openly sexual, and even though SJWs claim to be about "sex positivity" they seem to go against that dogma when it involves the gratuitous portrayal of "attractive" characters. SJWs also seem to hate this sort of stuff on the basis that a group they see as "privileged" enjoys it. Personally I feel half of SJWism is about trying to spite people they don't like under the cover of being "progressive."

Another element of this comes from the cancer of western anime fandom. Western anime fans typically expect anime to be nothing more than action shows and battle shonen. Romcoms, slice of life, and just about anything with cute or sexy girls gets them seriously pissed off, and they easily relate to SJW rants about otaku culture, anime and Japanese games. Western fans of anime and Japanese games have this odd entitlement towards the mediums, and often act like otaku culture is screwing them out of the anime/games they want. What they fail to realize is this stuff was always aimed at the otaku audience to begin with, (yes, even "back in the day.") minus a very small handful of anime, manga, or games that test the waters of pandering to western or more mainstream audiences.

Websites like Kotaku, Anime News Network, and Japanator pump out clickbait that promotes and normalizes this attitude within fans of Japanese games and anime, and they have done so for years. This turned the majority of western fans into self-hating trainwrecks, censorship apologists, and bitter, angry fans that hardly enjoy their hobby anymore.
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>>124280410
Yes. Which means there is nothing to worry about in terms of sales.
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>>124280410
The novel does not belong to them, but to some small local publisher. KyoAni however personally picked it up and invested into adaptation and production, since wanted to do that type of show and setting is litterally town where they are located - so while novel itself does not belong to them, pretty much everything anime related is.

Its more "KyoAni" show, than say "Hyouka" or "Nichijou" which were paid adaptations.
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>>124279951
Efficiency is higher with normal work hours and sleep schedules, who would have guessed. Elevens just have a weird fixation with spending lots of time at work over actual productivity. It's shameful for a salaryman to go home at 5 even if he did a ton of work, you have to stay late at the office, regardless of how well you do your actual job.
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>>124280071
they work normal hours and generally don't work overtime although there are some animator stories about crunch time on big projects like the Haruhi stuff. Something like Takamoto and one other animator spending all night getting a Haruhi scene right but not because it was being rushed but because they were getting too into it.
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>>124280413
>SJW

No one on /a/ that isn't from /v/ cares about these people or their none existing influence on Japan.
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>>124280515
Yeah, cancerous influence jap nationalists and fujioshi have on modern anime is far more dangerous.
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>>124275585
>why not some about American-style bands?
>>124275853
>Because marching band is actually pretty boring.

Just fucking make this into an anime and I'm sold!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UQlojdPKMQ
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>>124273255
Do their animators eat dirt or something?
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>>124280842
They're actually being paid and not just in stones. What kind of food they buy with that money is a mystery.
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>>124276476
Kyoani's magnum opus was Disappearance. But I agree that Hyouka was easily their best TV anime.
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>>124280999
>magnum opus refers to the largest, and perhaps the best, greatest, most popular, or most renowned achievement of an artist.

hyoucrap doent fit that bill, not even in the most hipster fantasy
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>>124276924
>>124280636
that's pretty much what Euphonium is going to be. They even perform in a parade at some point. Then there's fights over who is first chair because Reina is a first year who is better than the third years, rehearsals to see who is even going to get to get a seat, people in the club who quit to focus on their studies _Aoi_, people in the club who quit because the teacher is an asshole, a rival school with sexy outfits and and forbidden love between student and sensei.
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>>124280497
Many office rats don't even have any actual work to do during their overtime, it's just shameful to leave before your boss or something. It's retarded.
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>>124279944
Free movie confirmed?
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>>124280999
>that webm
And there are retards who defend svp

>>124281069
>largest
24 episodes of film-tier animation
>best, greatest
seems about right
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>>124281136
>Free movie confirmed
Quite a slowpoke, aren't you?
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>>124281136
They already announced one sherlock.
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>>124281139
>film-tier animation
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>best, greatest
>hyouka
Said no one ever
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>JewAni
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>>124281210
Quite a few people do actually.
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>>124281341
Loud minorites dont define anything
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>>124281371
But loud majorities do?
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Well yeah, it had to be that way. The Haruhi money well only lasts for so long as KyoAni has made so many bad business decisions that the only way they could possibly stay afloat is if all their shows maintained low budgets despite the quality of the animation.

Sounds great on paper, they must be doing some magic Houdini shit right? But the only way they could be pulling this off is if the animators that works there are working way more for less. And if you follow the anime industry at all you know animators are paid pennies and are treated like shit so that just tells me KyoAni is a fucking sweatshop.

I don't envy those poor Japanese sons of bitches.
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>>124281515
Yes, the opinion of the majority is the one that always counts. Welcome to democracy.
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>>124281069
I said that Disappearance was their magnum opus. Learn to read.
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>>124281550
Nice try. Better come up with some better bait next time.
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>>124281542
Kyoani animators are paid more than normal animators and work in better conditions, though.
Maybe they are talented.
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So let me get this straight

KyoAni
>has better animation than other studios
>pays their animators better
>their animators work less hours
>somehow still manages to keep their costs lower

How do they do it? It's fucking magic?

I guess they really do find a way.
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>>124281590
hyuocrap will never be kyoani magnum opus. Too mediocre to even be Top 5 material
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>>124281542
Aren't they like the only major studio based in the east of Japan? In that case, they'd simply be overflowing with talented applicants, by virtue of being the only real opportunity to prospective animators.
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>>124281640
Almost makes me want to buy their blu-rays. Almost.
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TYBKA
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>>124281640
They aren't based in Tokyo. Tokyo property prices are Australia-tier. The amount of money it must take to finance a moderately sized office building there is extraordinary.
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>>124281640
They are efficient. If you look at the animation credits of their shows they use less staff than average.
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If their budgets are so low why are their blu-rays so expensive?
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In-betweens are done by students at Kyoani's animation school.
In other words, kyoani doesn't pay to have in-between frames drawn; kyoani gets paid when in-betweens are drawn.
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>>124273558
That looks pretty fucking awful.
I was actually surprised by how bad it was when it happened.
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>>124281955
It doesn't but I'm not seeing anything special either.
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>>124274642
>super-serious "Victory or death" people pretty much ruin everything.
>let's join something then not give a shit about it
>then let's act like the people who actually care are in the wrong!

Okay, fag.
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>>124281927
People who can organize and run companies well are generally the kinds of people who really like to make money.
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>>124281950
Citation needed.
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I'm assuming there is a lot of waste at other studios too that lead to unnecessarily higher budgets.

Like if you are falling behind schedule and have to hire more guys on short notice will cost more.

If you have to bring a guy back to redo animations for particular scenes for the BD release because the TV version was terrible will cost more.

Wastes like that is how a crapfest like The Room cost 6 million dollars
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>>124278703
Vocal minority autists
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>>124281542
>so many bad business decisions
Kyoani's entire networth has literally doubled since they started doing their own shit. They make more money now than ever, their sales are even higher somehow even though overall BD sales are lower.

These are the business summaries for Kyoani, 2009 vs 2014.

>2009 Summary
>100 employees
>1,135,000,000円 networth

>2014 Summary
>149 employees
>2,127,000,000円 networth

I swear these Kyoani are dying things remind me of how people think Nintendo is dying.
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>>124282133
Something like Shingeki no Kyojin must've been incredibly expensive given the sheer amount of animators it had per episode.
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>>124282201
Is that adjusted for inflation?
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Isn't it interesting there has basically never been a single piece of bad publicity about Kyoani considering how popular and relevant they are in the industry?

Other than that one rumor about Yamakan trying to sekuhara Yamada which is the real reason he was laid off.
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>>124282252
>Is that adjusted for inflation?
5 years isn't going to make that much of a difference unless we are talking about Zimbabwe.
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>>124273255
What's this about budget?
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>>124282292
fake
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>>124281631
>>124281682
They have their own animator school
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>>124282260
>Isn't it interesting there has basically never been a single piece of bad publicity about Kyoani considering how popular and relevant they are in the industry?
They manage to produce good work BECAUSE they run their company well. You got the cause and effect backwards. Badly run companies get bad publicity because they are badly run. Being famous doesn't make you bad.
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>>124282362
They got everything, they're pretty self contained. Getting into the school is hard enough in itself too.
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>>124282362
Also their sister studio "AnimationDO" which is based in Osaka
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>>124282319
You think somebody would do that?
Just go on the internet and tell lies?
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There's literally nothing Kyoani can't do.
When will you accept them into your lives naysayers?

Your favorite studio ain't shit compared to Kyoani. Yeah, even if your favorite studio is Kyoani.
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>>124278366
You do know PA Works also not Tokyo studio right.
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>>124282367
I suppose that's a fair point.

I was just surprised that one of the most renowned studios in the industry manages to keep such a low profile.
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>>124282443
That's precisely why they still exist
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>>124282395
>Events

2014 event when?
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>>124280476
Pony Canyon publish Euphonium.
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>>124282472
>I suppose that's a fair point.
>
>I was just surprised that one of the most renowned studios in the industry manages to keep such a low profile.
They are famous, but only to those in the industry. In a way it isn't by choice, because if given the chance I am sure they would love to have a famous director at the helm, writing original stories that sell well. That would have put them on the map. As it is, KyoAni is famous, but without any singular employee actually taking up being the "face" of the company. This is, as I say, because they couldn't find a decent full time writer.
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>>124282494
There's an Amaburi event later in June/July. Hope they announce s2.
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>>124282582
Man I'd really love to see a KyoAni x Butcher anime.
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>>124282260
There was Yamakan
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>>124282489
Actually that's also because they just like Real Madrid which always have local gov support.
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>>124282582
>any singular employee actually taking up being the "face" of the company.

I'm not sure they want that. KyoAni in general feels very much like a big family or something. What's that about always wanting to animate something that everyone is interested in. Feels like they care a lot about the individual relationships and people that work there.
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>>124282527
Duh KyoAni does not have their own distributor network yet, someone has to sell it
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>>124282679
I wanted to add that because I heard that as well but never found a source. But their shows do promote the region in which they take place in so I guess that brings money.
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>>124282679
So Kyoani is Barcelona?
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>>124282582
>Yamada -> dyke
>Takemoto -> normalfag
>Utsumi -> fujoshi
>Ishihara -> oldfag (maybe together with Kigami)
>Ishidate -> autist

They need new direction as well as a new art direction. They did Nichijou once, what stopping them from doing it again?
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>literally who saying kyoani shows are not high budget
>obviously missing a source to backup that info
>it must be true

Now this is grasping at straws
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>>124282582
>As it is, KyoAni is famous, but without any singular employee actually taking up being the "face" of the company.
I feel that this is actually a good thing. Although you don't get the publicity that a big-name showrunner would bring in, you also get less involved with the fuss that comes from having a company "face". People still talk about individual directors for KyoAni, but at least it's not like the love/hate brigades that follow certain big-name writers.
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Are PA Works and KyoAni the GOAT studios?
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>>124273255

KyoAni is literally Tyler Perry
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>>124282754
Real Madrid is worth more than Barcelona and I'm sure they have more money as well. Not to mention the popularity. But the region is kind of similar. In a way.
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>>124282783
What does he have to gain by saying that though?
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The truth behind Kyoani.
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>>124282494
they just had a Free one where they announced the Shota movie. Euphonium has an event next month. And Amagi apparently has one in May too. The fact that theres still Amagi artwork still coming out makes me wonder if they're going to do an announcement.

http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/amaburi/news/#news201504172225
http://anime-eupho.com/product/bddvd/event01/
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>>124282849
Hot, is that Yamada?
I bet they tickle her nips with that feather brush
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>>124282582
>KyoAni is famous, but without any singular employee actually taking up being the "face" of the company.

Yamakan almost become face of Kyoani, almost.
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>>124281640
>How do they do it? It's fucking magic?
Good scheduling. By allowing more time for things, they don't need to rush anything. Rushing would mean pulling in loads of staff to get something done quickly, and that isn't cheap.
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>>124282850
>dat SENTO

Holy shit my dick
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>>124282850
That's a cute lil booty
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>>124282804
I always loved P.A. Works. Only thing that isn't that great is Glasslip.
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>>124282783
he's an animator on Kiniro Mosaic this season
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I'm surprised that Kyoani's budget is so meager. I would've expected more from people who made classics like Clannad and Haruhi. Before you rattle off about how it's just a baby's first melodrama, that's exactly what makes it a classic.
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>>124282882
it's probably Utsumi. The reason we've never seen her is because Kyoani wont let her out of cage
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>>124278671
>unnecessary effects
Boy that's why most anime looks bland as hell
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It makes you wonder, if their shows right now are considered below average budget.
What if Kyoani went all out on a show?

It would be like looking on the face of god.
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KyoAni understands something that Japanese work culture is too retarded to grasp: happier workers = more productive workers.

They actually pay their staff living wages and don't force them to work until they want to die.
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>>124283139
Disappearance, you stupid fuck
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124282850
>they just had a Free one where they announced the Shota movie. Euphonium has an event next month. And Amagi apparently has one in May too. The fact that theres still Amagi artwork still coming out makes me wonder if they're going to do an announcement.
An OVA, fumoffu style, would be sufficient to cover the ABC girl's own arcs. And we can make Fumofu jokes while we are at it.
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>>124283167
an OVA has already been announced
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>>124283139
Disappearance and Hyouka. KnK probably had a good budget as well.
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The faggot who said it said he "heard" the story. That must mean it's true, according to desperate kyoanifags.
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>>124283191
>an OVA has already been announced
I just went and Googled. We are getting a bonus episode in the DVDs, but not a proper OVA series yet. There is a special even on March the 26th to celebrate the "30th anniversary" of the in-story themepark, I expect any proper OVA series would be announced then.

Note that a full TV series is out of the question, there isn't enough material. At best we have 6 episodes of story available as of now.
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If kyoAni budget is low, why Kadokawa doesn't ask kyoAni to make their anime? Considering most KadokawaxkyoAni's anime are a big hit?
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>>124283276
Was about to do that myself. Humorous alignment,
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>>124283222
KnK didn't even look that good, it just had some bursts of cool animation like Chuunibyou but was standard post-Hyouka Kyoani for the majority of it.
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>>124283222
Hyouka was made about 2 years iirc, so it's normal if it's good looking.
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>>124283293
They just did Amagi
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>>124283276
When will mods finally kill those shitposting invitations?
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>>124276476
>I would consider Hyouka to be made recently
The people paying the bills wouldn't.
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>>124283293
They do. Pretty sure that Kadokawa is chasing KyoAni left and right. You do realize that KyoAni has a say in the matter as well?
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>>124283293
>If kyoAni budget is low, why Kadokawa doesn't ask kyoAni to make their anime? Considering most KadokawaxkyoAni's anime are a big hit?
They DO. But KyoAni know how fast they could work and don't take any more jobs than they could handle. It doesn't matter how much money Kadokawa give them, KyoAni isn't going to work any faster. Kadokawa own hundreds of books they want to animate, so they don't have time to have KyoAni as their bottleneck when they need multiple anime made a year.
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>>124283321
It was much better-animated than Chuu2. The show had a fair amount of standout cuts. I wouldn't put it on the same level as Nichijou or Hyouka though.
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>>124283276
Talk about kneejerk reaction thread
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>>124283321
It did look good and they put some work in to that show. The end result may not be the best buy they spend money on it.
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>>124283399
One has a legitimate source while the other is based on wishful hearsay.
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>yfw Kyoani adapt this
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>>124283276
>deleted
fucking finally mods doing something
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>>124283510
What the fuck is that? Looks horrible.
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>>124283510
>those proportions
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>>124283442
Funny then that thread was deleted while this was not.

Kyoani wins again.
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>>124283293
Kyoani also gets to decide if they want to work on a project
Not kadokawa, but TBS wanted kyoani make a season 3 of K-ON!, but Yamada refused, saying she wanted to work on something new Tamako instead
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>>124283293
they literally just did a Kadokawa anime
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>>124283535
Mods confirmed to be butthurt kyoanusfags.
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>>124283554
>a thread got deleted by a mod who can't handle the truth
>kyoani wins

You are stupid.
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>>124283577
Dubs for truth
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>>124283510
I don't think that will ever happen.
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>>124278366
I travel nearly two hours each way just to travel to my university. That really isn't abnormal for people working in cities around the world. When I was working fulltime even without travel time I was working 11 hour days.

You sound like a child.
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This thread is making me want to start my yearly Hyouka watch earlier than I'd planned.
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>***,696位/***,637位 ★ (***,360 pt) [*,**4予約] Hibike! Euphonium
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>>124283661
>this retarded
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>>124283682
itkeepshappening
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>treats the animators inhumaely so they can keep the budget low
KyoAni is horrible.
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>>124283751
Animators aren't people.
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>>124279819
Being an animator isn't the same as knowing business finances. That's like saying working as an intern for several companies means you have accurate insight to how much each company earns before declared taxes.

Why do people take whatever thread they can and assign retarded amounts of authority to it? Is it because you are still a teenager or something? Animators aren't involved in finances. They are paid (often poorly) to animate. That's it. They aren't accountants or managers.
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>>124283804
And he even said it's just something he heard. For all we know he could be hearing it from a completely unreliable source. Only retarded kyoanuslickers will take it for the truth.
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>>124283751
Didn't you read the thread? Having a lower budget doesn't automatically mean they're squeezing their workers for maximum profits. Sometimes it's just the result of better locations and better planning.

>>124283804
>Being an animator isn't the same as knowing business finances.
Funny enough, being a business exec doesn't mean that you know anything about animation. That's the reason why crunch occurs, and executives have a habit of throwing money at the problem to try to make it go away. It doesn't really work well. It happens in nearly every industry. I don't know if we can take this guy's word for it at face value, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the truth.
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I purchase KyoAni BDs through honto.jp

It is the ethical way to support Japanese animation.
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>>124283751
Except kyoani is widely known for having the best working conditions and pay for their workers.
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>>124280497
In Japan, presence/attendance is valued more than actual output for most offices. This is the old way. Corporations like Toyota in their manufacturing branches really bucked the trend in this regard, admittedly with western concepts. Combine the retarded work ethic of Japanese workers with a highly efficient workflow and you get the best car manufacturers in the world. Pity this isn't adapted on a wider scale. Mindsets take many generations to change in a lot of cases. Oh well.
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>>124283321
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>>124283997
Kigami's episode was insane. It'll be a sad day when he retires from the industry.
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>>124283369
>Kadokawa is chasing KyoAni left and right
>Didn't give a speck of budget on Amaburi
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>>124283804
>That's like saying working as an intern for several companies means you have accurate insight to how much each company earns before declared taxes.
Honestly, that could be an accurate statement, depending on how transparent your employers are with their workers. When I interned at a game company, they had several meetings devoted to explaining to their employees what their current profits were, and how they would affect the company's structure.

If you do that enough times at enough companies, you'll probably know a air amount about each company's financial situation. Not enough to beat a business executive at any particular company, but enough to have a decent idea of what you're talking about.
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>>124284037
He's Japanese
Expect him to work until the day he dies
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>>124282771
Kigami is like 20 years older than Ishihara.
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How the fuck does Hibifeet Euphorium have a low budget? That's a load of crap.
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>>124284074
Wait, that's a bit exaggerated.
Probably 10.
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>>124282294
>5 years isn't going to make that much of a difference unless we are talking about Zimbabwe.
Five years is rather significant, mate. You don't apply local household budgets at a corporate level.
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>>124283892
>being a business exec doesn't mean that you know anything about animation

Simply irrelevant in this matter.

Oh I know you're going to quote your post about how executives throw their money at problems but that is also irrelevant since you can't prove other studios do it and even if you can it simply has nothing to do with proving how low or high Kyoani's budget for a show is.
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>>124284044
And yet it looked decent. Not to mention that the sales are ok as well and the LN sold a lot more copies. No one lost any money.
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>>124284074
How old is Ishihara? mid 50s?
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>make higher quality productions
>for cheaper than average
>make more money than average per show

WHY ARE THEY SO BASED?
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>>124284097
>Five years is rather significant, mate. You don't apply local household budgets at a corporate level.
You also forget that Japan basically was stuck at deflation for years. It was only very recently that their inflation numbers actually moved.
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>>124283997
forced animation as fuck
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>>124284128
48.
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>>124282771
>Yamada = autism with cinematography
>Takemoto = good writer/animator/director but normie as fuck
>Utsumi = fujoshit liking melodrama shit
>Ishihara = moralfag like Anno
>Ishidate = autist
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>>124275853
It would be cool to see some marching accidents in hyper exaggerated animation.

Shit like marching backwards so fast the MC somehow does a triple roll after losing his footing.
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>>124284208
>good writer

There's no good writer at Kyoani.
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>>124273322
Too bad they only make adaptations of crappy source material these days.
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>>124284238
Watch anything that is written by Takemoto. It's reasonable and logic.
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>>124284186
Oh in that case Kigami got plenty of years left probably.
I mean he doesn't even work that hard a schedule seems like. Does some scenes for their movies, then one sometimes two episodes for each show.
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>>124284078
From what I've heard, KyoAni are better at planning things out and sticking to plans, so they don't have to do things in a mad rush and have to pay more to get things done quickly. The result is that their animation looks good, and doesn't cost as much as every other studio which suck at sticking with plans.
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>>124284259
Yeah, don't forget that he scripted E8.
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>>124284238
What?
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>>124284326
>E8
>bad
To be fair, that what makes Disappearance GOAT
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>>124284259
>It's reasonable and logic

They do not equate to good. Even I could write something reasonable and logic but I bet they would be boring as hell.
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>>124284326
Disappearance wouldn't be nearly as good without it
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>>124284108
>Simply irrelevant in this matter.
It's relevant in that animators probably have a better idea of a proper schedule than the business executives. You can see the failure of the business executives to understand a proper schedule in pretty much any big-budget film, movie, or game. Take EA, for instance. They hire a slew of temps near the end of production cycles for crunch, then end their contracts after the release. Then they hire a ton of temps again over the course of the next game's development, and even more during that game's crunch, and then let the go again. Multiple people who work in the industry have remarked that this makes no sense (read Glassdoor reviews, former employee blogs, etc), but they keep doing it. And it keeps costing them more and more money. Animation studios do this too (which is why you see tons of outsourcing and eventual BD redraws when they finally get the damned time to actually work on the art).
>Oh I know you're going to quote your post about how executives throw their money at problems
Why would I quote my own post? All I'm saying is that this is an obvious pattern that's been in many industries for a long time. I'd actually say that whether or not KyoAni throws money at the problem is the irrelevant part; it's obvious that other studios do, and it isn't working at all.
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>>124279803
Yeah, but people in Japan talking about anime aren't weeaboos you baka.
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>>124284397
I think his writing will be fine if boring is the only thing that you can come up with. Because that's what you're indirectly implying.
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>>124284326
Each E8 episode was enjoyable as fuck, how is that a bad thing?
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>>124284437
Hiring cheap Vietnamese animators is very economical.
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>>124281640
They don't bother by more than 2 shows a year so I think they have their time.
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>>124284134
I don't get why some people want to see KyoAni fail so badly.
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>>124284259
Takemoto didn't write things except if it was his original works.
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>>124284480
>I think his writing will be fine

Only if you're as retarded as >>124284491
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>>124284496
Not if you have to hire several of them for every episode, when you could have just structured your schedule better so that you wouldn't have to hire tons of cheap labor at all.
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>>124284535
I guess I am.
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>>124281927
You sell at what the market can bear.
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>>124284515
those people are probably communist who hate the invisible hand of the free! market
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>>124284535
You're just mad because your shitty attention span couldn't let you focus on watching something only slightly different 6 times or so.
Each individual episode of E8 was well directed and well written.
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>>124284547
They only pay Vietnamese animators one pack of smuggled cigarette per anime.

Source: My extensive knowledge of the industry that I read from the internet that I take as the absolute truth.
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If you don't like Kyoani, P.A. Works and Shaft, you don't like anime.
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Kyoani should start a schedule management class at their school, and invite the other studios to attend so they can be taught how to make great animation at low cost.

That would benefit the entire industry.
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>>124284644
>your shitty attention span

I admit that my attention span isn't as long as a retarded autist. However, that still does not make it well written. Well directed, yeah.
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>>124284646
Well if it's that easy, then there's a number of shows that I want to fund myself. I won't even mind all of the inevitable QUALITY it brings.
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>>124284143
What the fuck does that even mean?
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>>124284700
But how're you gonna hire the VAs?
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Don't like any of their recent shows but I'm glad they are doing well.

Here's hoping for another FMP this lifetime.
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>>124284722
/a/
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>>124284644
Shit, man, I'm not him, but my attention span is long enough for me to love Hyouka so I'd say it's at least marginally developed. Still:
>watching something only slightly different 6 times or so
No matter how well written or directed, that doesn't sound enjoyable at all.
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>>124284732
>/a/
VA's not shitposting shills anon
the last /a/ sings sounded like a dying cat being raped by a giant elephant while burning
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>>124284709
Nothing. "Forced" is just the word idiots on /a/ attach to shows they don't like but either can't articulate why or can't accept that different people have different tastes.
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>>124284732
The entire anime will sound like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddp53VZmnMw
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>>124284477
I see your point. Anyway, that isn't to say that weebs do not have any impact on sales whatsoever, quite the opposite actually.
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>>124284097
Five years of inflation isn't going to explain a doubled value and 50 more employees, mate.
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>>124284745
E8 was the type of episode you'd end up rewatching more than 8 times anyway, since it was so fun and comfy.
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>actually thinking Endless 8 was good

How can people like this exist? Even for retarded kyoanuslickers I think that's too much.
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>>124284515
>on /a/
They have fans that are easy to annoy.

>everywhere else
They made a show about cute girls that was successful.
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>>124284829
Re-watching something because it's fun and comfy, that I'm fine with. Going and watching what I expect to be a new episode of something and getting the same thing done again but subtly differently is more frustrating than anything. I might even have been able to live with it if the different iterations were spaced out over the series, but not one after the godsdamned other 8 times in a row.
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>>124284829
I'm >>124283681 and like I said, I watch Hyouka yearly (and sometimes more than that) but I have a long span of space between each rewatch so that I can properly appreciate the show when I see it again. Watching the same episode over and over again within one series would probably just piss me off. I can't imagine how people felt when it was airing and they saw mostly the same thing week after week. I saw a couple of rage threads, but they were mostly in my periphery since I stopped after the first season.
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>>124273436
>nothing fancy
Their water animation BTFO everyone else's.
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>>124284942
>that water in the last episode
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>>124284874
I'm sorry but it was probably too deep for you
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>>124285032
There's nothing deep about it. It's just stupid and boring as hell.
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>>124282292
She's cute. 10/10, would waifu.
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>>124285247
>10/10

More like 2/10.
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>>124285058
E8 is what makes a studio like KyoAni stand out. With unconventional approaches like the minimalistic repetition used for E8, the time loop phenomena really sinks into the viewer's mind. No other established studio would dare to go as far as that to prove this point. People remeber this sequence not only because it was so terribly frustrating but rather because of how well the viewers themselves were put into the equation.
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Is Madhouse a good studio for working conditions?
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>>124285512
Probably a lot better than the average studio.
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>>124285455
That's all well and good, but unconventional isn't always a good thing, and sometimes there are good reasons why most people wouldn't dare do a particular thing. Endless Eight is a good case in point... unconventional, but not positively so. No other studios dared to pull something like that because it pisses audiences off, and not in a way that raises meaningful points that makes them reconsider long-held prejudices and the like.
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>>124282407
Yes ?
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>>124285455
>E8 is what makes a studio like KyoAni stand out. With unconventional approaches like the minimalistic repetition used for E8, the time loop phenomena really sinks into the viewer's mind. No other established studio would dare to go as far as that to prove this point. People remeber this sequence not only because it was so terribly frustrating but rather because of how well the viewers themselves were put into the equation.
And also because they did everything the hard way.
They got different directors for each episode, and have every line of dialogue re-recorded for each. You don't have to like the result, but they certainly didn't take the easy way out.
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>>124285512
>Animation directors can take a break after completing his or her episode until the next one begins, but the chief animation director is responsible for the entire series or project, so if I take that job, I'm lucky if I get even Sundays off for the entire duration. The work is non-stop, and I'm required to oversee two to three episodes at a time. Honestly, the expectations of a chief animation director are unrealistic, not to mention inhumane. When the going gets tough, a staff meeting is held to decide which episodes or scenes need to be sacrificed in order to stay on schedule. We all find having to make those kinds of decisions upsetting and humiliating, but that's often the only way to meet the deadlines.

-Cindy Yamauchi, director who works at Madhouse
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>>124285599
I think Madhouse really wants to continue creating very specific kinds of shows but they're kind of falling behind.
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>>124285589
>And also because they did everything the hard way.
>They got different directors for each episode, and have every line of dialogue re-recorded for each. You don't have to like the result, but they certainly didn't take the easy way out.

I respect them for doing it that way, but it still doesn't mean I like having 8 episodes of the same thing in a row.
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>>124285727
>I respect them for doing it that way, but it still doesn't mean I like having 8 episodes of the same thing in a row.
Things happen. There is a suspicion that it wasn't their decision to have Disappearance as a movie, but we will never know the truth.
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