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>character finally gets her episode then dies


Am I supposed to care about this?
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>>124235085
You probably would have if you read the VN.
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>>124235143
Even if he read the VN he shouldn't care much. There's very little reason to be emotionally attached to Illya at that point in F/SN
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>>124235085
It's terribly done.
>>124235143
Even in the VN it's rather poorly done. She is barely a character in UBW.
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>>124235201
>Implying that you don't fall in love with best loli at first look
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She died in the movie. People cry bitch tears again after this. Figures. You fucking fags need to man up.
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>>124235262
After you, Tough Guy-san.
Quit yer cryin'.
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>>124235085
You would have if you watched prisma ilya.
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How about spoilering your shit you stupid faggot?
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You shouldn't. Only pedos care that their fuckdoll died.
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Friendly reminder that Fate and UBW are just supplemental to HF
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Is she supposed to be older than Shirou? If so than why does she look 11?
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>>124235085
It's a shallow underdeveloped character. The death is suposed to make you feel sad with how overblown amd overdramatic it is which is just piss poor writing. I haven't read the VN but it seems like Gil did it for a reason though so it has some plot relevancy at least.
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>>124235085

As much as I regret giving you this advice, read the VN.

Illya isn't my favorite character but I teared up like a bitch. This was a fucking sad scene. I honestly don't care what all you "tough guy" faggots say because I know you cried like a bitch as well assuming you have the proper background with Illya to understand the scene.
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I cared only because of Fate/Kaleid Liner. I disliked her in the VN, got a bad end because I tried being nice to her.
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I see that secondary fags are as cancerous as ever.
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>caring about fateshit that isn't Kaleid Liner
2 more months.
>>124236243
>implying primaryfags are any better
Nasu's a hack and is only popular because of waifus.
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>>124235085
This. This shit is worse than Akame ga kill.
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>>124236374
0/10
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>>124236118
because she isn't actually human
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>>124236273
>secondary misusing the term "waifu".
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>>124236401
Yeah sure this has more budget but AgK had a better story.
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In the VN, the three routes have an enforced playing order. Ilya gets plenty fleshed out in Fate, whereas her development in UBW is minimal. Since it's not actually possible to read UBW without going through Fate first, the reader should already have an attachment to Ilya by the time she's killed in UBW.

That is, admittedly, the biggest flaw to animating Unlimited Blade Works without animation Fate first. Then again, DEEN already did that so maybe that's what they were expecting.
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>>124236404
I thought she was half-human at least.
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>>124236433
Nips got Fate route for free on mobile. They expect you to have read it.
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>>124236058
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>>124236432
Oh come on, you can do better than that.
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>>124236432
>AgK had a better story
Look they're both trash but AgK is a 1/10 while F/SN is a 3~4/10.
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>>124236273
>Nasu's a hack and is only popular because of waifus.

Well, I don't know about that second part. I think that there are a lot of autism related reasons why people like Nasu.

However you are overall right. Nasu is a huge fucking hack. A rich fucking hack.
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>>124236433
Honestly, Fate/stay night really isn't the most ideal story to adapt.

Heaven's Feel, of course, has it the worst. The route requires for you to have a deep understanding of the characters and the Holy Grail War in general from the prior routes. It requires for you to understand Shirou's distortion, Archer's identity and Rin's general personality and lifestyle. It has a lot of unanswered questions because those questions were already long since answered in prior routes. Several characters who were really important in prior routes are killed off without much flare.

I really don't know how UFOtable's gonna make it work, and with a movie of all things.
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>>124236512
Still not as rich as that hack called Toriyama but maybe that's because Nasu is even more of a hack than Toriyama.
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>>124236619
You really don't need to have a deep understanding of anything to understand Heaven's Feel because it isn't that complicated at all. Nasu just need to be better at storytelling than relying on people to read everything else.
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>>124236629
In terms of writing Hariyama is pretty close to bottom, Nasu at least the decency to come up with a tad of complexity in his work.
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>>124236707
For fuck's sake. Toriyama.
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>>124236629
At least Nasu remembers the contents in his own work.
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>>124235085
Your supposed to have context on Ilya's character from Fate route already. UBW is 2nd route. Do you think people saying to read the fucking VN is a meme or something?

Even then, ufotable added way more than enough material in this episode for you to get to know her and at least sympathize with some of her situation. And then when they adapt HF, this scene isn't going to be going away and you'll have even more information about her to draw from.
>father betrayed the family
>mother is spooky ghost
>grandpa doesn't give a fuck about you
>other homunculus are thrown away like stale milk
>has painful procedures performed on her body for magic purposes
>thrown to the wolves (literally)

You can skip the VN and be a lazy faggot. But do not make these retarded threads when you don't understand things.
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>>124236692
It is.

It's a little hard to imagine since pretty much everyone who's played through Heaven's Feel have already played through Fate and UBW first, but Shirou's distortion isn't really gone into in great detail in that route. Shirou supposedly loses "everything" in Heaven's Feel. By choosing to save Sakura over becoming a hero, he pretty much breaks the very foundations of who he is and what he's living for. It's supposed to be a nearly soul-shattering decision for him. But without being exposed to Shirou's distortion in full from the other two routes, it's hard to really comprehend why it's such a difficult decision for him.
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>>124236619
The movie is not going to be stand alone people are going to use UBW and Zero as base.
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>>124236456
she's sub human
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>>124236795
Also, Heaven's Feel doesn't explain Archer's identity at all. On its own, it basically leaves the reader to guess why Shirou is able to use Archer's arm or why he can access Archer's Reality Marble. Even if you do figure it out on your own, you're left wondering how it even happened in the first place, since Heaven's Feel doesn't explain the mechanics of Servants or the Throne of Heroes at all.

Like I said, Heaven's Feel leaves a shitload of unanswered question because most of those questions are already answered in prior routes.
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>>124236795
"Shirou's distortion" is a weird fucking phrase.
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>>124236795
It's actually isn't that hard to show Shirou's so called distortion in a shorter amount of time and do it better than Nasu already did. But that need Nasu to care about it and actually know what he's doing rather than just adding nonsense so that he can justify on what he's doing.
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>>124236058
Friendly reminder that Sakura is the worst of the girls and the least popular.
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>>124236908
It kinda is. Shirou's distortion is a threefold issue.

1) He regards others as more important than himself.
2) He is incapable of living for his own sake.
3) He is wholly devoted to a borrowed, impossible ideal.

Heaven's Feel doesn't really show much of 1) or 2) and 3) isn't gone into at all.

The entire deal with Shirou is that he's a fundamentally broken human being, a machine pretending to be human. The only reason he's been able to move forward is by borrowing Kiritsugu's ideal and turning it into his sole function. His issue was hinted at in the Fate route and it was shown in full in Unlimited Blade Works, through his words, thoughts and actions. In Heaven's Feel, you barely get to see any of it.
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>>124237115
Well that's an exciting bunch of garbage analysis.

>muh fundamentally broken human being
>muh machine pretending to be human

Nasu is just shit at telling stories and his fans have to make up for his shortcomings.
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>>124237228
That or you just have shit reading comprehension.

It's okay, anon. Not all humans are born equal. You're just a little bit special compared to others, that's all.
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>>124235085
B-But Berserker was supposed to be the strongest...

Why is Gil such a smug faggot?

WHY DIDN'T SHIROU STOP THIS?
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>>124237228
What? The whole point of his character was that who he was died in the fire and was tempered as a sword. That's why all he does is make swords, that's why it's his origin.
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>>124237115
Because in Heavens Feel he throws away that ideal for something he decided on his own. It's real irony that at the end of it he either ends up dead or in a fake body, but no matter which ending he's arguably the most human he's ever been because of his decision.
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>>124235085
what happened to berserker being immortal
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>>124237334
Not really.

He just focuses his attention from "I want to save everyone" to "I want to save Sakura". What he does hasn't actually changed. He just shifts priorities.
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>>124237115
And that's why it can be explained without seeing the other route. You just need to add scenes to show about this. Nasu failing to even do that shows how incompetent he is.
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>>124237277
But Goku is the strongest.
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>>124237484
Are you trying to be dumb? Nasu expected you to have read the other routes you fucking dumbass, he didn't have to add anything.
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>>124237426
Except saving Sakura means letting a bunch of people die and forgiving someone who killed a bunch of people for no reason. But saving someone is the same thing no matter the circumstances around it right?
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>>124237562
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>>124237484
It was all part of one novel. What exactly are you trying to get at here?
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>>124237484
It's more like he didn't wanna retread on prior routes. We already know what Shirou's problems are. We don't need a refresher course.

For Fate, Nasu seems to have taken what he learned from Tsukihime and fixed a lot of issues. Half of Ciel's route was basically a retread of Arcueid's. A lot of the routes shared common events marked by only minor or unnecessary changes between each.

In comparison, Fate minimizes redundant information. Most of the stuff we learn in Fate route isn't repeated significantly in UBW. Heaven's Feel assumes you've already gone through the other two routes so it doesn't go too deeply into them since we already have that information embedded in our heads. We don't need a refresher course for who Archer is or how his Reality Marble works, so the route doesn't explain those things. We don't need to know the identity of Saber's Noble Phantasm, so it has no need to explain any of that either. We already know who Gilgamesh and Caster are, so we don't need any extra information concerning those two before they die.
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>>124237612
Well to be fair FSN is a very low power setting
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>I-It's sad because it happened to a cute girl who did nothing wrong!
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>>124237612
But what about Accelerator? Could he not just vector that shit?

Accelerator as Berserker-class
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>>124237562
Superman is most OP unless Fate cast suddenly start getting them made up green rocks or shooting lzur beams which only temporarily knock him out in some cannons.

Superman is the worst super hero.
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>>124237730
Do we need to bring out the Demonbane image?
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>>124237730
SSJGSSJ Goku can wreck Supershit.
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>>124237763
Doesn't discount he's the most OP and an awful superhero.
Sups would make an awful servant to be around.
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>>124237786
He can knock him out, not arguing that, but he couldn't actually kill him off for good.
Too much regen, general invincibility bullshit.
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So Heracles wasn't invulnerable to Gilgamesh's extra shiny weapons?
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>>124237810
I dunno. I'd say Wonder Woman is worse, if only because most writers seem to have no idea what to do with her. The only reason she continues to exist is because she's an iconic character and DC's in dire need of a prominent heroine, but the character is pretty much completely incapable of standing on her own and you really get feeling that most writers just really struggle with her.
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>>124237865
>>124237865
>couldn't actually kill him off for good.
Then he goes SSJ2GSSJ2, then it's over.
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>>124236619
>understand rin's personality

you don't even have to know anything about fate to know that she's the most generic tsundere out there
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>>124237884
I think if you're throwing literally every legendary weapon in history, you're eventually going to find something that does that job, and he only has so many lives.
>>124237889
I think Wonder woman still has potential. I don't remember exactly which one it was, but she was pretty useful and qt in one of the Justice League cartoons.
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>>124237967
Shit bait, try harder.
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>>124237651
I'm talking about the anime because the post I replied to says how are Ufotable going to do this. They could just add scenes that can explain on most of what's going on. They shouldn't have to read the LN or the prior story before this.
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>No heart surgery

Dropped until next week.
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>>124238218
Heaven's Feel doesn't really get that many opportunities to show off how broken Shirou is. I mean, it's not like any non-Servants die in front of him. Ironically, for a route where Shirou struggles with his ideals more than any other, Shirou actually meets LESS external resistance than in the other two routes. The one exception, of course, is Saber, whom Shirou has to kill in order to save Sakura.
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>>124238218
I am pretty sure the HF adaptation is going to not be stand alone in any form.
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>>124238218
>They shouldn't have to read the LN or the prior story before this.
Fuck off for advocating secondaries.
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>caring about any iteration of illya that isn't prisma
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>>124238344
>butthurt retard who wasted their already worthless time playing a shitty eroge
The etymology of "Secondaries" comes from the superior ability of these individuals to delay gratification, and thus receive two marshmallows. This ability highly correlates with success, education, health and weight control. In this context, it refers to their ability to wait for a superior release in a superior medium (anime).

>In these studies, a child was offered a choice between one small reward provided immediately or two small rewards if they waited for a short period: approximately 15 minutes, during which the tester leave the room and then return. (The reward was sometimes a marshmallow, but often a cookie or a pretzel.) In follow-up studies, the researchers found that children who were able to wait longer for the preferred rewards tended to have better life outcomes, as measured by SAT scores,[2] educational attainment,[3] body mass index (BMI),[4] and other life measures.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment

It is not surprising at all that bitter "primaries" who are often unintelligent, overweight, and unsuccessful at life, would attempt to turn it into a pejorative.
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>>124238539
>this generic copypasta again
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>>124238539
I love this pasta
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>>124238684
>generic copypasta
And what's a non-generic copypasta in your opinion?
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How is Gil and Kirei alive in Fate/hollow ataraxia if they died in Fate/Stay Night?
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>>124238733
Ones that are shifted around a bit rather than flat ctrl+v'd. Add some spice.
Like that Madara Uchiha powerlevel copypasta that went through so many iterations.
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>>124238767
It's a dream.
Also, Kirei isn't alive in Hollow.
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>>124238806
>rather than flat ctrl+v'd
You do realize that is the literal definition of copypasta right?
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>>124238861
Do they explain how Gil is alive then in the dream? Also did Shirou kill him in UBW or did the grail absorb Gil after he gets his arm cut off?
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>>124238981
I'm sure someone can explain this better but basically, Rin did a thing with the gem sword, and because of that anybody who can possibly survive the grail war in an alternate timeline is around. Kirei for example doesn't show up because he dies in every timeline.
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>>124238920

You can toy with them a bit after pasting, Anonymous. The site doesn't force you to submit instantly when it detects a paste.
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>>124239093
There is no timeline in which the 5th Grail War happens and Kirei Kotomine is alive. They are mutually exclusive, and this cannot be changed no matter what you do. Zeltrech could spend billions of years in subjective time checking different parallel worlds, but he won't find one with the 5th War and Kirei alive.
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>>124235085
She's a cute girl so the average anime viewer will care.
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>>124235085
You wouldn't give a shit if it was a grown man like Shirou

Knowing Nasu, she was a little girl purely for this scene
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Question: Why isn't there a webm ready yet with Doctor Gil doing heart surgery?
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>>124239704
I would give more shit if it was a grandpa getting killed because he was defending his grandchildren.
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Haven't been watching because I'm waiting for it to end for a marathon but holy shit. It's "you're strong, Berserker" already?

I don't think I can handle that scene animated. The UBW movie doesn't count, they did a terrible job.
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>>124239721
Because there was none in ufotables version.
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>>124239794

See: >>124239805
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>>124235085
How would a UTW parody work?

>I am the imouto of my brother...
I'm not the best when it comes to writing poems.
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>>124239794
I braced myself for an entire week

I wasn't fucking ready, you probably won't be ready either
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>>124239721
Next week.
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why no heart surgery though?
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>>124239986

Because the episode ends with Illyasviel dying.
The heart surgery takes place immediately after that, so start of the next episode.
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>>124239986
Because they wanted to break our hearts this week.

Next week they open up the old wound and remove it.
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>>124235085
why was there a need to cut her eyes out?
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>>124240031
ufotable already cut some of the ilya gore with her eyes being cut. Heart surgery will be BD only
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>>124240048
>>124240031
I hope these guys are right and not >>124240056
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>>124240089
Go read ufo twitter.

They cut some stuff and barely made tv regulation with this episode. Pictured is Ilya's corpse.

People at the pre screening said there was better angles on Ilyas eyes being cut that were removed.

No way surgery is getting in tv broadcast
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>>124240051
for le edgy
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>>124235201
>>124235223
You are forced to play through Fate first in the VN.
That is 7 in-game days of having Illya board over at Emiya's for cooking SOL.
Anyone would have gotten emotionally attached after being forcefed 4 hours worth of loli oniichan~ text.

That you don't even know this means you didn't read the VN.
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>>124236058
This is true, and HF is definitely the best route, but it doesn't change the fact Sakura is the least compelling heroine and is only really interesting because of how shockingly shit her life is.

Her actual role and personality in the route is essentially to just be a doe eyed victim that gets violated and tortured over and over again for the sake of the audiences' amusement. Just about the only depth to her as a character beyond this is her dark and selfish urges to cripple Shirou to get him out of the war.

That said, if she handled all the cards Nasu dealt to her with some level of character she'd have probably been the most interesting heroine.
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>>124235085
Brutality or fatality?
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>>124236058
Friendly reminder Sakura's the least popular heroine in UBW and behind a few male characters. Also, you're trying too hard. They're all their own stories. And if you really want to be bitchy about it, Nasu and friends said multiple times that the story of FSN was always meant to be about Saber. And Saber has a full route. And End of the Dream is all Saber, and the last ending you unlock in the VN.

All the routes stand on their own. Each having exposition that is fully explained in HF doesn't make them supplementary material. Sasuga Sakurafags. Nobody cares about your wormslut. Illya actually being the heroine of the route was what made it palpable. She had far more screen time and just as much relevance as Sakura.
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>>124235085
Nobody judging the show on its own merits gives a shit about her death.
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>>124237810
>>124237889
All that shit taste.
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>>124237228
I'm really getting tired of the "Nasu is a shit writer" meme. If you take the entire internet at face value, every writer who ever lived has been condemned as shit at one point in time. How is anyone supposed to take that blanket criticism seriously?
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>>124238767
>>124238861
>>124238981
>>124239093
Kirei is dead, that's why Caren's able to sneak in Bazett's dream. Extra irony points that she's his daughter

In the "real" world (the one we see in the epilogue, when bazett visits the actual emiya household) it looks like things are pretty much similar to how it was depicted in the dreams, and the prologue with everyone swapping ghost stories seem to have actually happened in the real world too. Presumably this means Rin's little dimension accident actually happens, and the "default" state of the Fate-verse is basically what is depicted in F/ha, except with probably less sex and silly antics

part of what they repeatedly emphasize in the VN is that while what is depicted doesn't actually happen, Avenger doesn't "fake" any of the events - in the same situation, Shirou and the rest of the cast would have ended up in the same situation. That's how Avenger-Shirou mananages to meet up with Caren after all
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>>124235143
Why would you watch this shit if you already played the VN
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>>124235085
The direction of this episode was crap.
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How could you not care?

I legit had tears, man. Not even lying.

You either have no history with the character or you're just an autist with no empathy. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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>>124242621
He was really fucking shit when he wrote FSN at least.
It's hard to care about a writer who barely had any idea how to write.
He got better recently sure but we are talking about FSN here
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>>124242722
ur face is crap
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>>124240860
>Sakura's the least popular heroine in UBW

Probably because she does fuck all in the plot until HF other than get raped.
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>>124240537
I mean, you care a little, but that much?

At this point in *my* life it made me sad because I've seen and played everything Fate. I've spent so much time with her that watching her suffer like that actually hurt.

The scene here is so good because ufotable too strong, not because of the actual source material.
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>>124243085
ufodicksucker pls
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In UBW Gil knew he was fucking heracles so he knew he had to take things seriously. In Zero he was playing around with mad barking dog.

Also Lancelot had better stats for a berzerk class, the ability to throw back weapons becomes much more useful against somebody like Gil.

If Gil had decided to use those chains on lancelot it would had ended pretty fast.
Heracles had a huge handicap, his master was right there, and they had a deeper relationship compared to other sane servants & masters. Lancelot would care less if his master was hurt.
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>>124243213
>im super edgy and cool cuz i dont like the thing everybody else likes
>guys look at how cool i am
>guys
>guys pls
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>>124240537
Fate made me dislike Ilya, she was an annoying spoiled cunt. She shines in HF, but she's still not that likable to me.
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>>124243242
And yet he still didn't take things seriously.

If Shirou can knock off three lives in one go Gil can do better than that. He only loses because he's a cocky idiot.
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>>124243242
>Lancelot would care less if his master was hurt.

I don't think a Berserker can stick around for very long at all after their master dies, so I doubt he wouldn't care. At least up until the point where he could punish his kingu.
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>>124243242
A faggot like Lancelot doesn't deserve a serious fight.
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>>124243269
>im super edgy and cool cuz i like the thing everybody else likes
>guys look at how cool i am
>guys
>guys pls
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Forced drama crap.
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>>124243341
Gawain pls
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>>124243432
That scenery, those camera angles.
I just wish the character designs were better.
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>>124243432
Tohsakas hair just does not make sense to me
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>>124243399
Any kind of drama is forced to you faggots.
Fuck off with your buzzword and go back to watching CGDCT SOL if you want no drama
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>>124243478
Monkey wants her bananas again?
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>>124243510
Not all of it, but this was 24 minutes of "Are you sad yet? Are you sad yet?"
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>>124236942
>>124240860
>>124243037
At least she's more popular than Rin.

>inb4 that one rinfag crying that it doesnt count
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>>124235085
An inherent flaw of pretty much every F/SN adaption is that each of the animated routes don't really work standalone. The routes kinda rely on each other, including some bad end routes so you have a big picture. A lot of the character drama relies on you knowing the big picture, otherwise you just wonder why you should give a fuck about this or that side event. As such, the adaptions serve mostly just as fan service for established VN fans who know beforehand why they should give a fuck about someone like Ilya. Without previously established bonds from earlier routes, it ends up being somewhat jarring to watch UBW. "Oh look, the loli who attacked Shirou and Rin in cour 1 finally gets involved. Oh, she got some some sad backstory apparently. Oh, now she's dead. Oh, well, she just served to job. I guess the blonde dude is where it's at. I wonder if she was important. Oh well, moving on I guess."
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>>124243383
UNF
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>>124240860
>End of the Dream is all Saber, and the last ending you unlock in the VN.
>citing RN stuff
About as canon as Sakura being a virgin.
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There's really not much they could do to amend that. While cramming most of a character background in their last episode is overdone and emotionally manipulative her history would feel out of place in the other episodes.

In UBW lllya is secluded on the Einzbern fortress after the events of the first day, fleshing her out on random episodes would take away from the main events and fuck up pacing considerably.

Furthermore people jumping straight into UBW is rare even among secondaries, Ufotable is tying it to Zero with some nods here and there. It's getting the sequel treatment so most should at least know her superficially through Kerry and Irisviel past.
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Boring slow ass shit episode, get on with it already jesus.
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>>124243727
The show is written as a sequel to Zero though, so that doesn't really wash.

I mean, she's *in* Zero, and so's her mom. Going in you already know her relationship with Shirou, that's why they've been so explicit about it even though she doesn't' even mention it in the VN until HF.

That's what all the "forced drama" (what the fuck does that even *mean*?) throughout the episode was for. It was filling in the gaps between the two shows.
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>>124243727
Finally someone that gets it.
Fucking secondaries.
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http://a.pomf.se/lkszoh.webm
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>he didn't just make one mega route that answered all the questions
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>>124243937
>webm without ilya getting killed in it

THANK YOU
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>>124243984
He did, its called 2006 fate/stay night
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>>124243984
If TM ever makes an actually new-new large-scale game again I'd imagine Nasu would just do one storyline with minor heroine variations instead of drastically changing the storyline and having to field questions about "what REALLY happened?!" for the rest of his life.
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>>124243937
>We will have to see Illya running around happily every Episode now

Someone should make a version of this weeks ending the song was extremly good.
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>>124244043
one sec
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>they dont even show the eye slashing or the stabbing, it fades to black for a few frames

Really? Fuck this shit, fucking pussies. And people expect the heart surgery? Hahahaha
Will it be on the BDs maybe?
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>>124244072
Don't you dare pull a Dr. Gil on me.
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>>124244027
Nasu had nothing to do with that.

That was Deen being terrible.
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>>124244090
It will. The eye slash was shown in the prescreening
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>>124244090
Japan is so weird.

No blood or gore, but little girl butts are fine.

They're the polar opposite of US TV.
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>>124244090

It got a CG in the VN, of course they're obligated to animate it.
But it has no chance to make the TV airing.
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>>124244090
The stabbing sound effect was fucking pathetic.
I laughed at it
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>>124243593
>At least she's more popular than Rin.
What?
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>>124244170
The sex scenes also have CGs in the VN
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>>124244157

Don't forget smoking.
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>>124244157
I was kinda supprised they showed the wolves trying to eat her.
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I love the character interaction here. It adds a lot of depth to otherwise unknown characters. Gil's enkidu. Hercules backstory. Still disappointed they didn't pipe in Berserkers roar directly. Really felt like this was catering to Gilfags more than anything, like Oh look at the brute deflect 4 swords before getting stabbed. It should be 30 or so before he couldn't keep up and he gets stabbed only when hes going to defend Illya.
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>>124244157
Based Japan.
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>>124236790
Except adaptations are supposed to be able to stand up on their own.

It would be like if Magneto appeared out of nowhere in Avengers 2, made ominous dialogue used his powers but never once get called QS and SW's feature or mention mutants.
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>>124244125
>Gilgamesh was sent by the ethereals

It all makes sense now.

Not really good lord and I thought Rin was bad.
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That sword slash to her eyes was cruel as fuck
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>>124243984
Shirou archer plot with Gil trying to fuck Saber and a Rin/Sakura drama? With Ilya getting a good end?
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>>124244229
I wonder why they never censored Styl smoking, he's like 13.
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>>124244226

The sex scenes also have replacement CGs in the VN.
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>>124244349
Its called censorship.
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>>124244265
>>>/tv/
>>>/co/
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>>124244157
It's that way in most places, dumbass. Americans are the ones with their priorities inverted. You can blow someone brains out, saw their arm off and all is fine and dandy, but the moment they show some nudity shit has gone too far. Little Timmy could get traumatized seeing a naked female body
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>>124244365
Based
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>>124244365
Dunno why but I was expecting loli.dance there.
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Can Shirou drinking tea be a new meme?
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>>124244389
Reminds me of a Sopranos clip on youtube. The reason why it was age restricted was because you could see a pair of tits for half a second, not because it had people being shot to death and run over by cars.
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>>124244365
Here come the tears again. I didn't know I was such a faggot.
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My only familiarity with the Fate series is from Kaleid Prisma and Ilya was a cutie in that which made me pick up UBW. After I completed the first season of that I've d/led the Fate Zero series but yet to start it.

Seeing Ilya in pain or suffering or death does irritate me.

I was annoyed that her loli friend Miu doesn't seem to be in the main series.

Hate me for being a secondary and anime only but I really don't care.
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I quite like how they showed Berserker getting caught by the chains by having him do some fancy dodging first only to have him caught then thrown down.
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>>124244521
This seriously triggers me.
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>>124244365
All Kalafina songs all sound the same to me.
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>>124235085
no. she's listed as a Supporting character on MAL for a reason.
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WHERE IS THE FUCKING MUSIC

This whole episode lost so much impact because it was silent 90% of the time, the sound direction has been fucking horrible the last couple of episodes
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>>124244550

They have two songs to me, "slow and sad" and "frantic upbeat".
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>>124244529
That webm is missing something.
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>>124244201
Ignore it, Sakurafags are so used to abuse they'll blow any small victory out of proportion. He is probably still talking about that april fool's twitter event. Which is pretty flawed because it doesn't account for people who followed everyone regardless of their feeling for said character that just a couple of characters were linked in the main site, the short time span and that t was all determined by the content
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>>124244589
>needing music playing in background to pay attention

you might be autistic
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>>124244643
You might be retarded.
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While I am glad they dedicated an entire episode to this it leaves me wondering what else they're going to give an entire episode. Shirou vs Red man needs to be at least 2. And I am wondering when they will fit in lancer vs caster from the OP in. Will there be Taiga dojos?
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>>124244643
No, I really looked forward to this episode, but the pacing was all weird and it felt like they just wanted to spoonfeed Illyas backstory to the scrubs who didn't read the VN.
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>>124244655
Don't use your disease as an excuse to lash out against others anonymously via the internet. Get some help friend, it will make your life better.
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>>124235085
Can someone post the ending song to this episode?
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>>124244544
The look of fear in Gil right before Berserker dies. That was great.
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>>124244710
Miura is a fucking hack.
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>>124244716
You seriously are retarded if you think music is for "paying attention" and not for atmosphere.

Or just another ufoshitter
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>>124244724
See >>124244365
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>>124244710
Yeah the VN had some great music I wasn't sure what the animation was missing but that must have been it.
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>>124236942
Well Ilya died to Gil while Sakura killed Gil, clearly one girl is better than the other.
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>>124244725
And completely anime original and out of character.
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>>124244626
fixed
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>>124235085
Who is the Ilya apologist who wrote this episode? She comes of way to likeable compared to the VN. She is a crazy murderous cunt,not some cute innocent girl.
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>>124243341
>>124243439
You know in most source materials the two are friendly rivals. There's one story where Merlyn prophecies that a certain sword is cursed to kill the man the wielder loves most, which becomes the sword Lancelot gives Gawaine his fatal wound.
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>>124244265
Entirely different things, capeshit doesn't commit to adapting one comic faithfully it gets it material from multiple histories plus new content by subpar scriptwriters. See the DEEN version for reference of shit OC and badly mixed routes
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>>124235201
>There's very little reason to be emotionally attached to Illya at that point in F/SN
That's why they put that flashback there. It hits you harder when you finish HF and remember everything Illya related from every route.

For these reasons, Illya is the best Fate.
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>>124244784
Nah dude. Enkidu his BFF failed him. That's gotta leave something.
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>>124244349
Joke's on them Rin clothes there are what makes me rock hard. I don't even need the sex scene
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>>124244773
Do you seriously have nothing better to do then to go from one Fate thread to another and Shitpost?
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>>124243271
>not crying like a bitch at this scene
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>>124244844
Well think of it to way what if School days had adopted the Harem Route?
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>>124244784
Are you fucking retarted? He was about to die of course he would look like that.
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>>124244521
If Miyu exists anywhere in this UBW universe (kaleidoscope etc. etc. etc.), she'd have probably been near Shirou on the night of the fire, since they were blood-related.

Which means she's either a) dead in the fire, or b) one of those orphans Gil uses for prana.
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>>124244939
I felt bad more for Berserker than I did for Ilya.
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>>124244900
>replying to this shitty bait
Move along citizen.
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>>124244773
Sakura a shit. A SHIT!
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>>124244773
Well, since wormslut killed best boy you have your answer. Illya is superior.
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>>124244939
She is a murderous cunt created to be a murderous cunt. There is nothing to be sad about.
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>>124244664
Lancer vs Cater is just for the OP, they done something similar with Assassin on the first cour if I'm not mistaken. There's no space for extra stuff that doesn't help moving the plot and fleshing out supporting characters at this point.
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>>124244773
And this is why you guys are marginalized. It's not for choosing the least interesting heroine, it's for derailing threads trying to force her into everything
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>>124244237
I was kinda surprised that the so called apex of Einzbern magic didn't dispose of the wolves with magic attacks of I'll-fucking-turn-you-into-a-rug.
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>>124244773
>Gil attacks cup, cup gets B T F O
>Gil attacks best girl, Gil gets B T F O
Based Sakura.
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>>124245158
B-but muh plot progression.
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>>124245017
You don't know that going into the VN raw. Hell even F/Z doesn't really dive too deep into Illya or the Eizenbern's history. If she wanted Shirou dead it would've happened when they left the church. Besides all the market place scenes. Maybe I just want a Homunculus daughteru of my own to abandon for some redheaded child I found in the ruins of my greatest achievement.
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>>124245131
We cant help it, Sakura is a very polarising character story wise, she is either irrelevant or the main focus, no half measures
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>>124244808
>She is a crazy murderous cunt,not some cute innocent girl

She is both

Not the innovent part though since she clearly wants shirous d
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>>124244808
You are biased. Sure he is fucked up, but you get a bit of that in the flashbacks. It's all in her upbringing and that is made clear in the VN. The hell did you want anime OC of her torturing people? She only pulls that shit on some scenarios of the Grail War.
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>>124237716
Can't vector light beams. Reaction timing alone is impossible.
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>>124245043

They did Lancer VS Berserker in the first OP.
They did Saber VS Assassins in Fate/Zero's first OP though.
ufotable loves "battles that never happened" in the OPs.
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>>124245298
She is still new to the world around her that is what makes her innocent.
>wanting the D
Where does this occur?
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>>124245158
She probably spent most of her mana during the earlier part of the test, and/or linking with Berserker.
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>>124245298
>she clearly wants shirous d

No she doesn't
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>>124235085

Not really, if you were supposed to care she would have big, fat tits like Sakura.
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>>124245403
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>>124245158
Wasn't that also part of her survival trial? I doubt her task consisted of just going out for a stroll and enduring the climate
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>>124235085
>character is a bitch who tries to dissect the MC in first bad route

who

cares
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>>124244125
Bendthatdick Cuminbitch.jpg
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>>124245463
Everyone forgets because she's a cute little girl. Cute little girls don't do anything wrong.
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>>124244939
so

you're going to follow kiritsugu's path after all

;_;

kowai sou
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Gates of Babylon too stronk. Please nerf
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>>124245463
Because she's a cute loli. If she looked like Kayneth we'd be laughing our asses off at him waddling around no eyes looking for his servant.
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>>124245492
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Does Gil not have a NP here because he doesn't have a master and a real supply of mana beside children batteries in Kirei's basement?
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>>124245324
>The hell did you want anime OC of her torturing people?

I wanted the anime to show more of her being the brutal murderous bitch she is. They where obviously pandering hard to Ilya fans this episode.
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>>124245532
Kayneth is also a dick. Illya is just a homicidal loli. There is a huge difference.
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>>124245496
>kowai sou
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>>124245541
GoB is his Noble Phantasm, and it stores his other NPs inside it.
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>>124245541
What do you mean, he was using his NP.
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>>124245509
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqZg7cjHN6c
>Gates of Babylon
>too stronk
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>>124245605
Then why did he say that the only thing he was missing was a NP?
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>>124245555
Well yeah, Nobody likes murderous cunt IIya, nor the IIya that actually has a bit of an adult kind of personality. They want the kawaii one. That's why there's no hints of her being sinister at all in this adaption, even when she appeared in the first cour talking about how she'd want to make Shirou pay for Kirtsugu's betrayal or how she tried to have Beserker kill Rin,Shirou and Saber.
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>>124245615
I have found yet another reason to learn spanish and that is spanish fansubs.
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>>124245630
He was missing an NP that made him functionally invulnerable, was his point
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>>124245615
Why would an archer fight melee instead of just spamming projectiles from all directions?
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>>124245660
When does Illya if ever become sinister?
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>>124245700
What NP is that? Is it EA?
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>>124245232

You should probably take the guy's advice and tone it down a peg. If people don't like a character, and this is Ilya's time in the limelight.

Or at least make yourself look better by adding salve to the poor Ilya fans with some pics from that doujin One Day! by Ronpaia. You can even post the pic where Ilya is riding on Sakura's shoulders looking for Rider. I would have posted it myself if I had it on me.
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Whatever happened to lumpy head Shirou? I miss him.
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>>124236058
Friendly reminder that Sakura likes fish because she's a Pisces. How ironic.
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Don't you just love how Gil didn't even look to see who was the faggot yelling stop. He just shot his ass down without delay.
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>>124244968
Maybe she was alive along with Shirou don't? The two are adopted by Kiritsugu and so on.
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>>124245555
>her being the brutal murderous bitch she is
How? In what instance she kills people outside of the bad routes? You wanted them to show something that isn't there, they can't just put a footnote with trivia about the VN. They allude at her twisted character, but that's all. She is not some nonredeemable monster
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>>124245676
You will stop wanting to learn spanish for that, when you find most spanish subbed episodes are eye-gouging, 50MB, cancerous "light" mp4 versions for south america spics with shitty internet.
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If Saber used her NP as often as Gil and other servants did she'd be pretty strong.
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>>124245390
Watch kaleid.
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>>124245754
I like snarky Shirou, but we rarely get that without his inner monologues
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>>124244745
>I need music to spoonfeed me the atmosphere otherwise I can't understand

He might be retarded, but so are you.
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>>124245737
No, Gil was saying he(Gil) did not have an NP like that.
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>>124245860
She can't. Excaliblasts have an extremely high mana drain that makes them very unsuitable for beamspam-like attacks.
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>>124245838
Ilya kills shinji in fate
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>>124245737
Dude, reading comprehension

Gil comments that he has never found someone who can come back from the dead when killed, and that he doesn't have a NP with such ability.

In that sense he's praising Heracles, as he has something the King doesn't have
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Poor Berserker.
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>>124245838
>She only tortures/kills people in the most disgusting ways outside of the perfect route.

Do you not see how stupid that sounds? Even in the perfect route is is willing and capable to do such things. They might even happen off screen in the perfect route. She never is a good girl outside of her pretending to be.
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>>124245860
She doesnt have avalon on her or the grail mana supply
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>>124245463
This isn't the first route.
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>>124245615
How will Ufo top this?
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>>124245958
*she is
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>>124245838
All endings are valid, anon. Even the bad ends.
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>>124244808

> Are we watching the same show? She's been nothing but crazy murderous cunt. At what point exactly did she look like "cute innocent girl" to you?
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>>124245930
How did Medusa manage to pull off that phantasm which such limited mana anyway?
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I haven't read F/HA yet. Which route is it a continuation of?
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>>124246088
Thats what blood fort andromeda is for
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>>124246113
All of them.
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>>124245615
>Gil goes melee without using GoB
>Shirou summons UBW and uses the same sword the entire time
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
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Why the fuck is Hercules so weak? Why the fuck is Gilgamesh so strong?

What's Hercules' ideal class?
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>>124245709
Pride and being a cocky dickhead.
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>>124246179
>weak, crazy as shit artificially made master
vs
>literally god
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>>124246179
archer.

Archer class is op
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>>124246179
>What's Hercules' ideal class?
Archer.
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>>124246179
>Why the fuck is Hercules so weak?
He was protecting Illya and Enkidu counters him hard
>What's Hercules' ideal class?
Archer
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>>124246179
Berserker is literally the worst class for him. He loses nearly every Noble Phantasm he has along with his massive combat skill and cunning, in exchange for a physical stat buff that means jackshit since he's an unstoppable juggernaut even without it.

Archer is his best class as he has access to all his NPs, including one that allows him to launch a ranged assault in which he hits the enemy a hundred times near simultaneously with the force of his strongest sword strike as Berserker.
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>>124243593

Sorry, we're all being quietly smug that the lady in red is getting her route, so there is no need for us to waifu war with lesser girls.
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>>124246267
>>124246276
>>124246278
rin told me saver is op
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>>124235085
She wasn't built up enough so I didn't care much.

But I may have been distracted by Rank A Wolves.
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>>124246370
Saver really is OP
Too bad there are no Savers in F/SN
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>>124246276
But Hercules wasn't an archer in his life right?
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>>124246402
right we are talking about UBW here. Don't spoiler yourself!
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>>124246179
Honestly? Berserker maybe with Sakura for a master, infinite mana pool and all.
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>>124245920
I get it now.
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Besides F/SN and F/HA, what other translated LN/VNs should I read?
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>>124244629
>i-ignore it!
No. Everyone already knows the truth. You only have yourselves to blame for constantly attacking Sakura, Rinfags.
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>>124246370
It has the best stats and its servants are typically fantastic versus magi because of magic resistance, but there's no rule stating its the best class for every hero.

For example, Medea would be a fucking awful Saber.
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>>124246459
His most used weapon in the myth is a bow.
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>>124246507
F/Z light novel is pretty good.
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>>124246459
He was an all rounder, but the Hydra Bow is OP and he used it the most.
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>>124246507
F/Z LN, F/A and F/E.
If you haven't read the Tsukihime VN or KnK you should probably get started on those.
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>>124246459
Disney's Hercules has fuck all to do with the actual legend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles
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>>124246524
Please don't be doing this anon I already tricked myself into thinking there was a LN.
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>>124246600
>that small as fuck penis
Guess that's why Ilya wasnt rip in two when they fucked eachother
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>>124246602
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>>124246559
>F/E
What's F/E? Fate/Extra, the PSP game? Is all of Fate/Apocrypha translated or is it still only the first two LNs?
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>>124246459

At various points he used his own grappling skills (pankration?), a sword, a shield, a spear, a bow, and an olive-wood club to do the dirty works.
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>>124246656
The statue is like ten feet tall and that dick is five inches long when soft.

Assuming he's a grower and not a shower then he's probably like ten when hard.
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>>124246681
Yes it's Extra, and I think that the first 3 volumes of Apocrypha are translated.
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>sexual prowess with both males and females
Are we going to get an Iskander and Heracles sex scene in the future?
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>>124246485
Ilya and Dark Sakura are equally good Masters. Only difference is that with the latter he'll get blackened, which leads to the whole "car without any brakes" analogy from who knows how long ago.

Illya's the best possible Master you can get, honestly.

>>124246179
Herc's one of the best Servants. Gil's just not really beatable if you're a Servant, unless he underestimates you so you get a chance to wreck him.

Archer's his "best" class, but Saber is apparently the best for Nine Lives spam.

>>124246507
Have you read Tsukihime/KnK/KT? If not, read those. i also really like Alliance of Illusory Eyes, it's a short thing that comes with Tsukihime, so if you like Tsukihime give that a shot.

Fate stuff, so with F/Z's LN, Apocrypha, Prototype Fragments, and Extra. There are plenty of others, but if you can't read moon then you'll only be able to get fragments.

DDD's also good, but I don't remember what the translation on it is like. I also don't think CCC has a translation yet, so that's sad, and I know Mahoyo doesn't, so those are probably out of your reach if you don't know moon.

>>124246602
...there is an LN.
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>>124246370
The only OP Saber is Arthuria, while Archer class got heroes like Gil, Herc, Karna, Chiron.
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>>124246656
>>124246716
The size of the penis when flaccid has surprisingly little relationship with the size when erect. It can easily quadruple in length depending on individual.
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>>124246743
Siegfried says hi.

Gawain during the day says hi.

Prototype Saber says hi.
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>>124246743
Gawain was said to be stronger than Arthuria, and he's super OP with Numeral of the Saint activated, Not to mention his Excaliclone.
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IN THE NEXT FATE EXTRA GAME

KILL GILGAMESH WITH ARCHER HERC

LAUGH AT LOUD AS GIL DIES LIKE A BITCH
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>>124246789
>Siegfried says hi.
Siegfried is an all-rounder, good in most situations but excellent in none. Sieg only matched Karna with two other NPs that weren't Siegfried's. He's easily blown out of the water by many heroes.
>Gawain during the day says hi.
Gawain during the night says "well okay".
>Prototype Saber says hi.
Prototype Saber is locked down under 13 undefined restraints that he has to satisfy to become truly OP.
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Who would win in a fight, masters and all. F/SN Berserker or Apocrypha Rider?
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>>124244629
>Sakurafags
>Used to abuse

I see what you did there, Shinji.
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>>124246743
Daytime Gawain, Siegfried, and ungimped Nero say hi.
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>>124246345
It's rather annoying how FSN is an endless string of happenstance occurrences of the "lol this character is normally insanely strong, too bad he's gimped atm because [random reason], so the other guy won" variety.
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>>124246849

That's in a matter of personal power. Herakles is described as "the most powerful hero", but that doesn't mean he can best Gilgamesh in a fight.
Gawain's skill at arms isn't the greatest and his noble phantasm is decisively inferior to Excalibur.
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>>124246862
>Gawain during the night says "well okay".
Gawain's stats are still pretty high during the night, he just doesn't have the modifiers active.
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>>124246866
Which Apocrypha Rider?
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>>124246909

Which makes him only above average, not OP. Anything that can overwhelm Excalibur Galatine will ruin him, as he has no defensive measures.
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>>124246916
Astolfo, obviously.
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>>124246883
>ungimped Nero

Its still kind of fucking crazy that she went from a mid-tier shitter in Extra to one of the most powerful heroes in CCC.

Imperial Privilige is fucking OP.
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>>124246849
His stats are better-ish than hers, but his NP is way shittier. The range on it is weird, and the rank is just A+, so his trump is significantly more meh.

We don't actually know what NotS does besides a lot of conjectures because it literally just says "status becomes nonstandard". It probably means EX because they used nonstandard to represent EX in other things like Jeanne, but who knows.

>>124246866
Achilles, I'm guessing?

His Thunderdome apparently negates God Hand, so if it's Berserker then without God Hand, it becomes a straight match-up. Their stats are similar, both have Battle Continuation, etc, so I'd give it to Achilles because he's still sane and has other NPs he can access. Herc might be able to smash him before/while he activates the Thunderdome though.

>>124246965
You should see the scrapped NP they had in planning for her.

Fucking Sirrush and its bullshit.
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>>124246886
In a battle, strategy works better than brute force alone.
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>>124246849
>stronger than Arthuria
Not with Garden of Avalon wanking Shitber to near Gil levels

Unless Galatine is also secretly an Anti-type weapon designed to wipe out ancient aliens and enemies of humanity

Pretty sure they acknowledged him giving Tristan is "bow" which is not exactly a bow
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>>124245958
And? We'll hold that against her. Judge her for thought crimes or potential to kill? That's silly. I'm not saying she is a saint, far from that. But there's no evidence she does that shit to random people on daily basis and there's noting to gain adding intrusive new content to show she is a psycho.
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>>124247007
What was Sirrush?
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>>124247050
Stop shitposting.
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>>124247007
>Achilles winning against Herakles in a straight match
You are retarded
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>You're strong, Berserker

But he's not even the strongest man
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>>124246886
Way better than a power level shit fest. That way you can't pinpoint a battle outcome beforehand
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>>124247072
A scrapped NP they had for Nero was Sirrush from Babylonian myth, because of the whole "whore of babylon" thing conflating with her legend and her getting it as an NP as a misunderstanding, kind of like Semi and her Gardens.

It's a Babylonian Divine Beast, so probably only a little below the Divine Bull. The kicker though is that it's also the backbone for the Beast of Revelation and the original owner of the "Ten Crowns", so you could wank it into having a watered-down Potnia Thereon if you want.

They decided "it's too broken, also Nero's not a Rider", so they scrapped it.

The fact that they decided it was too broken in a game where Gil is playable says a lot.
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>>124247078
Shitposting ≠ posting facts

Nasu jacked off the powerlevel of his cashcow to near OP
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>>124247007
Achilles never really amounted to much compared to Herakles whose entire life was full of crazy achievments. They are on entirely different levels.
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>>124247007
>I'd give it to Achilles because he's still sane and has other NPs he can access
In the duel field? No he doesn't. He loses his spear (given by his father), his chariot (given by Poseidon), his divine protection, and his shield (both given by his mother).
He's just down to his speed boost, which is contrasted against Herakles' superior power. It would be a cool match, but Herakles has phenomenal speed too, so I doubt it'd be a good enough edge.
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>>124247166
Posting facts is not what you are doing. Arturia's powerlevel did not change in a meaningful sense in GoA.
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>>124247083
If he gets Thunderdome up without getting smashed into paste, and Herc is Berserker? Yeah, Achilles has an edge, because they have similar stats and similar skills. With God Hand up, Achilles will lose hard, but since Thunderdome was described as being able to negate God Hand, once the Thunderdome is up Herc has zero NPs, similar stats, similar skills, and zero sanity, while Achilles has his sanity and four other NPs, one of which makes him Sonic.

Herc in a different class would probably win, but if it's Hercserker then it's all about if Achilles can activate Thunderdome in time or not.
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>>124247166
>Nasu
>not Takeushi

>>124247194
Eh, Achilles was pretty fucking OP. As soon as he got off his ass in the Iliad, he obliterated everything in his path until the gods had to stop him personally because he was fighting another god and it was impolite.

And then there's Hector, probably the second most awesome hero at Troy, and Achilles murdered him in about three hits.

Then after he's dead and goes down to the Underworld, he rules that island in Elysium along with Helen.
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>>124247240
Herakles stands way above Achilles in terms of skill
Also he has higher stats
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>>124247194
The actual legend doesn't matter in Nasuland.

>>124247240
He loses three of those NPs in the "Thunderdome". All he has is Comet.

Comet is probably enough for him to win, honestly though, just because they're so similar outside of that and Comet makes him the fastest man alive. If Herc was any class besides Berserker though, I'd give it to him 100%.
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>>124247009
Nothing strategic about "lol Herc is insanely strong, but got summoned into a shit class, so his main advantages got nulled". It's just arbitrary bad luck so he can be gimped for plot reasons, but save face of the legend. Or the often quoted "lol Gil is so arrogant to the point of stupidity, so Shirou can off him with a come behind victory". It all reeks of convenient lucky turns instead of characters being smart about setting the time and place of battle.
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>>124247260
>until the gods had to stop him personally because he was fighting another god and it was impolite.
Last I checked the gods intervened because Scamander was kicking his ass and they wanted him alive.
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>>124247283
Affections of the Goddess.
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>>124244319
Beacause they only care about the protagonists. Can't have a smoking role model character.
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>>124247341
Oh man I forgot he beat up a river god. This comic is hilarious.
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>>124247360
Is already factored into the stat sheets.
Also he loses it when in the Thunderdome
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>>124247360
Not in the arena.
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>>124247403
>I forgot he beat up a river god
It was the other way around
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>>124247438
Right. Because Achilles died to a river god. No he beat him up and sent him on his way.
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>>124246656
wait they had sex with eachother?
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>Bastard lovechild of Fate powerlevel autism and Raildex powerlevel autism
This thread is hideous on a scale I never thought we'd see on /a/.
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>>124237277
Because Tohsaka raped him so much (19:00 to 21:00) on the floor.
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>>124247485

Scamander nearly drowned Achilles, but Hera and Hephaestus made him stop. Then that interlude was never mentioned again.
Greek mythology is weird sometimes.
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>>124247500
More like
>Mods = Autism
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>>124247528
Its more like it isn't worth mentioning again a hero is meant to be upheld in the light. Not hey remember that one time Odysseus got kicked in the nuts by Poseidon? Repeatedly?
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>>124246672
>jpg
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>>124247159
>Saber could have rode the origin for the Beast of Revelation and wielded a degraded version of Potnia Thereon if she'd just chosen to become a Rider

Holy fuck, and I thought the shit she pulls with Imperial Privilege and her marble phantasm was ridiculous already.

She'd be nearly Gilgamesh tier as a Rider.
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Why didnt Shirou just trace a gun and shoot gilgamesh?
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>>124247341
He was having trouble, but I don't recall Scamander actually kicking his ass.

Fight was basically Scamander telling him to stop it, Achilles refusing and attacking, and the river just kept smashing him with wave after wave and knocking him down until Achilles got fed up. Wasn't actually hurting Achilles, just keeping him from continuing his rampage.

Then Scamander attacks even harder and asks Simois for help against Achilles because Achilles is gaining the upper hand against him and the two of them together would have been enough to kill Achilles, so Hera, who's been watching, calls on Hephaestus, who burns the rivers with god-fire to get them to back off while Poseidon and Athena whisk Achilles away.
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>>124247732

Yeah but it's not as amusing when you phrase it that way.
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Wait, so if Nero is summoned as a Rider she could theoretically take on a less powerful version of BB's skillset?

Jesus fuck, I really need to read CCC's supplementary materials and play more than the Gil route. There's still fuckloads I clearly do not know.
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>>124247732
Here (Scamander is talking to Simois):

>"Dear brother, the strength of this man let the two of us together stay, since soon he will lay waste the great city of King Priam, and the Trojans will not withstand him in battle. But bring help quickly, and fill your streams with water from your springs, and rouse all your torrents. Raise a great wave, and stir up a mighty din of logs and stones, so that we may check this wild warrior who now has the upper hand and is eager to act equally to the gods."

Then Hera sees it and tells Hephaestus to stop what they're doing.
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>You're strong Basakaa
>Basakaa is the strongest
>AND YOU CAN ALL KISS THE PEOPLE'S ASS
>THE JABRONI BEATING, SWORD EATING, THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS
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>>124247819
>greek gods spontaneously make JoJo poses in combat
Mythology is awesome.
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>>124244521
Kinda similar actually. I remember seeing this gif somewhere and wanted to know the origin of it.

Not wanting to be a secondary read the VN, watched Zero, sat through DEEN, reading Hollow and have Tsuki on standby. Thanks for the journey /a/
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>>124247914
Yes anon the Greek Gods were making JoJo poses.
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>>124247863
That last bit on it having Ten Crowns is just my conjecture, but since it's literally the owner of the Ten Crowns, and BB's teacher's cane that gives her super-Authority is literally made out of Sirrush's crowns, I feel like it's not too much of a stretch to get to.
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>>124247950
Be sure to watch and/or read Kara no Kyoukai.
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>>124247950
Tsuki is a thrill.
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>>124247994
Are all the LNs translated?
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>>124247893
>not summoning the true Hercules
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http://a.pomf.se/xeogtj.webm
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>>124247159
Wait shit, I saw some guy make a Rider Nero app once for a roleplay thing. Holy shit, that's why he made it.
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>>124248017
Tsuki is better than F/SN.
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How did Illya go from trying to make heracles do shit to being naked on a snowy mountain?
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>>124248062
I don't want to believe you but I do.
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>>124248089
Meth is one helluva drug.
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>>124248062

I strongly disagree as a matter of writing and direction. F/SN is far more professionally handled, though still very sloppy in many regards.
I can't really name a single thing Tsukihime does better?
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>>124236058
HF made me hate Sakura and adore Illya a lot more.
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>>124248034
>that pained noise
My reaction matched Shirou's.
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>>124248062
I am inclined to agree.
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Why didn't Illya just magic blast the wolves?
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>>124248166
>I can't really name a single thing Tsukihime does better?

Atmosphere
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What the fuck is Kabbalah?
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Daily reminder that Prisma Illya is the only canon route
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>>124248268
google it
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>>124248288
dubs of truth
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>>124248268
It's what Roa and Aoko's magecraft is based on.

Avicebron from Apo is the best archetype for it. Golems and electrical impulses, basically.
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>>124248268
Jewish mysticism/magic, basically.
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>>124248261
Maybe on the far side routes, but Arc and Ciel are both just terrible all around compared to UBW and HF.

I'd put them slightly ahead of Fate though.
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>>124248298
>>124248323
Nasu Kabbalah isn't much like the Kabbalah you'll see by googling it, actually. There's some crossover, but it's mainly its own thing. Blame Nasu.
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>>124248288
Daily reminder than Illya is cursed to always have a bad end nor a route and prisma is no exception.
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>>124248268
Jewish magic.
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>>124248238
She was weak as shit and every single Berserker's move caused her pain and why the fuck am I even responding to this, 3/10.
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>>124248166
I think even most F/SN fans would admit that romance is done better in Tsukihime.
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>>124248366
I'll believe it when I see it.
But yeah, the Fate routes are pretty terrible to her, she's one of the characters you can actually feel bad for considering she just wanted the love of her father and mother (and then eventually adopted onii-chan).
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>>124248355
I find it interesting that nearly all the best stuff in Nasu's worldbuilding stems from him misinterpreting or failing to fully research real life myths and folklore before including it in his stuff.
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>>124248261

Eh, the atmosphere of Tsukihime went out the window when it turned out the main character was an invincible assassin who can kill every threat in an instant. So around the Nrvnqsr fight.
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>>124248323
>>124248369
Did the Jews raid Arc's castle while she was asleep?
Is Arc''s castle close to a Jew Cave?
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>>124248420
I'll agree that Nero jobbed hard to Shiki, but the dude was never "an invincible assassin."
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Best grill
https://youtu.be/xCjMABqWdEM
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I think F/SN had a better protagonist and villains as well as generally better writing and presentation, but Tsukihime explored more interesting concepts, had more satisfying endings, had a more consistent pacing, and that the heroines were generally more interesting.

I like both a lot, but while I prefer F/SN I feel that the Tsukihime remake has the potential to one up it if it expands on the villains and removes issues like having to do the same fucking scenes five times across all routes at times or the generally terrible visual presentation and sfx.
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So who's left?

Caster has Saber and Archer and Assassin
Kirei has Lancer and Gil
Shinki also has Gil

Is this the war with the most fucked up ownerships?

Is Saber going to be kill soon?
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>>124248604
Read the VN.
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>>124235085

I FUCKING CRIED
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>>124248355
You can formulate it like this
>Nasu X isn't much like X
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>>124248663
I read Stay Night.

Changed computers since and I don't feel like rereading SN to unlock HF and UBW
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>>124248604
Archer doesn't belong to anyone, he will be the death of Caster team.
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>>124244544
he was like one inch close to gil, he should have smashed him instead of doging, stupid gorilla
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>>124248604
Rin gets Saber.
Archer fights Shirou and gets his ass beat.
Shinji becomes the grail.
Lancer dies (you aren't human)
Gil jobs to Shirou
Rin and Shirou have lusty, sweaty sex at the clocktower.
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>tfw next few episodes will be filled with more flashbacks because there's almost nothing left from the VN to animate
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>>124248604
>Shinki
?
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>>124248545

Name a fight other than bad ends where he loses harder than "gets kinda woozy from blood loss".
Even when stabbed in a dot of life he just gets back up and limps to the school and kills Roa even easier than Nrvnqsr.
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>>124248749
You can just read the LP online then.
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>>124248754
I figured that much. He willingly submitted to her.

and Archer class has very high independancy or whatever it is that lets him do whatever the fuck he wants.
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>>124244090
And it's for the better.
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>>124248819
What's LP short for?
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>>124248793
We'll get to see Shirou tell Lancer to back off Rin.
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>>124248588
I finished Ciel route the other week, and my opinion was the journey was better but the endings sucked. Similar feeling for arc route. FSN has better "presentation" since it has voice acting and better graphics, but in my opinion tsukihime has a better journey in general since you're not going off on random deitos and sex scenes every other day.
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>>124248749
just hold ctrl
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>>124248789
How does Shinji become the grail?

Didn't he have shit mana circuits and the reason why the vampire family took Sakura and turned her into a whore?
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>>124248855
Let's Play, Anonymous.
http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/
It does have seorin's annoying quips sprinkled in it though.
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>>124248945
He got a heart transplant.
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>>124248809
So many other characters can wreck Shiki it's not even funny. He's not invincible; he just plays his cards smartly and uses the situation to his advantage. You're complaining about Shiki being invincible, but in the same fucking story Ciel literally can't die.
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>>124248945
Anyone can become corrupted grail which is what gil gil is doing.
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>>124248945
Gil says that even if he's not a magus his body still has imprint of one or something like that.
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>>124248945
What do you think bombing the castle was for?
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>>124237713
That's right all lives are equal.
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>>124248987
>I-It's okay, this other character is invincible too!!
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>>124248987

I'm complaining that Shiki is plot armored, badly. Nothing in his story can effectively threaten him, even if they're "much stronger". Nrvnqsr was the first and last real challenge for him, and he died instantly once Shiki decided to actually defend himself.
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>>124249039
Killing Hercules

I don't actually know what it was for.

I mean how does it matter if Illya becomes the grail or Shinji?
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>>124249051
You know Tsukihime has dead ends too right? Ones that occur after the Nrvnqsr fight?
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>>124248979
I see what you did there.
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>>124249051
So the whole route where he's literally going insane doesn't count? Ahika and Roa weren't threats?
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>>124249108

They're much shorter and not particularly common as F/SN's.
Beyond that, I'm talking about in the main story. Shiki just doesn't lose. The one time he does lose, it barely halts his progress and he wins instantly with the same ease next time.
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>>124249051
>Nothing in his story can effectively threaten him, even if they're "much stronger

Roa possessed akiha
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Illya's a brat, let her die.
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>>124249135
>So the whole route where he's literally going insane doesn't count?
Uh, no? Why would it?
>Ahika and Roa weren't threats?
Considering the fights they put up.. no, they weren't.
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>>124249083
Well you see Illya later becomes the cup if read the VN _____________
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>>124249083
Well filling the Grail with the servants is important too, but he also went to pick up the actual thing.
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>>124249197
>. no, they weren't.

Did you firget the scene where akiha threatened shiki that she can cut off his life support at any time she wants
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>Tsukihime
Literally Gary Stu MC - The game.
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Cant want for ufotable to animate shinji turning into the grail
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>>124249197
I'm I being trolled here? How the fuck does Roa slowly possessing Shiki and turning him crazy not count as a threat? Literally, all Ahika had to do was look at Shiki and would have been a goner. Hell, that's MORE of a threat than Nero was.
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>>124249287
I find Tohno Shiki hard to dislike because hes barely even a character
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>>124249240

And fails to do so... why? Right, because the plot isn't about threatening Shiki.

>>124249302

"X can kill him but fails to do so" is not a threat. He dispenses of Roa just as easily in Ciel's route, and Akiha stops her assault voluntarily.
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>>124249401
>threats arent threats unless they are carried off/done

Ayy
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>>124249534

Pretty much, unless what halts their interference is external.
Being saved by the cavalry, for instance. Pulling yourself out of a well means you were never stuck in the goddamn well.
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>>124247341

Lost my sides at the rightmost panel second from the bottom.
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>>124249401
>>124249580
So how is Nero a threat to Shiki exactly? He just gets reckt too.
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>>124247341
>that pheonix
Oh god.
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>>124245912
Now now, you are all a bunch of fucking retards.
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>>124249709

He was a threat. Until Shiki decided "nah dying sucks I'm just gonna kill you harder" and he stopped being a threat. Which is what killed the mood.
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>>124247977

This makes the classics infinitely more interesting. The best part is that it fits perfectly for almost every myth.

The mangaka was proven to be an immortal vampire, right? What's to say he wasn't around in Ancient Greece and based his style on the actual behavior of the gods and heroes he witnessed?
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>>124244365
>http://a.pomf.se/gqflih.webm

I honestly thought it was that song from Kara no Kyoukai. Starts very similar. Had I a link, I'd give it.
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>Lancelot's theme stars playing during Heracles/Gil battle
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>>124250259
5 star post nigga.
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>>124250259
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>>124247098
Coz, he's a demigod, not a man.
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