ITT we discuss how much better Fate would be if instead of teenagers

It wouldn't

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>>123987958
>you will never see him in action

I wonder if they'll bother referencing Bazett here. I mean, in actual canon,She's dead

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I want to rub Cu body through his jumpsuit

>>123988018
He's probably going to be like Kerry: attempt to do something and then screw it up colossally.

>>123987906
loli is best

>>123987906
This pimp aka "Unlimited Bitch Works"

>>123987906
Literally who?

>>123988018
He can't even do anything other than making shitty plans that never work and building artificial lolis.

>>123988038

We'll probably get to see how Kotomine kills her. At least that's what I hope.

>>123988038
>actual canon
no such thing

>>123988018
>Einzberns
>doing anything correctly
Pick one.

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>Giving us a the meme Cu when we could have glorious Riastrad
Literally what the fuck are they doing over at type-moon?

>>123987906
Zouken is boring. Make Issei a Master instead.

>Brings Harem to grail war

Not sure if bad or good bait.

>>123988288
>Issei
Issei is the blue man, tho.

>>123988038
>I mean, in actual canon,She's dead
No she isn't.

>>123987906
>pimp instead of loli
Prisma Pimp anime when?

>>123988260
Caster wouldn't get Riastrad.
The only reason why he doesn't have access to all his NP is because it takes place in Japan.

>>123988038
>in actual canon,She's dead
th-thanks..

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>>123988038

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>>123988108

How did they manage to lose the third magic even? Is this ever explained?

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>To Lancer's Master, you say?
>I'll get right on that.

>>123988352
That's not the only reason. The Servant Class factors into it as well. He will NEVER have Gae Bolg as a Caster, even if he's summoned in fucking Ulster.

>>123988407
They're idiots.
Someone died without actually teaching it to anyone.

>>123988330
She is. specific things happen in HA that allow Avenger to keep her from dyning, things that never happened in the original. So seeing as how this anime is a retelling unless Nasu wills it, Bazett is a week old corpse by now.

>>123988426
Then why does Achille get all his NP as Rider?

>>123988443
From what we understand about the Third Magic, I wonder how its user managed to die in the first place.

Maybe he intentionally let the Magic die with him because he didn't believe anyone left in the Einzbern family could be trusted with it.

>>123988483
Because Rider is the class that gets all sorts of Noble Phantasms.

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>>123987906
Reminder that Caster's master is pic related

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>>123988482
>Bazett is a week old corpse by now
>tfw you will never get to do things to that corpse

>>123988483
Then what's the point being Lancer if Cu has his Gay bulge as Rider?

>>123988655
meant to quote>>123988598
>>123988598

>>123988655

Higher agility and battle-continuation or something, I guess? I mean, as Rider he'd likely get Fragerach as well.

That's what Fate/Zero was, and it was worse

>all this Cu discussion
>all these people underrating Cu
Is it time?

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>>123987906
Why didn't he just order Medea not to harm him instead of not using her noble phantasm against him before she rule broke herself?

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>>123988775
time for Cu fags to kill themselves? Yes

>doesnt kill a single servant in any route

Top lep

>>123988738
Fate/Zero didn't have pimps though anon.

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>>123988738
>zero
>worse

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>>123987906
>if instead of teenagers
HEEEEEREE WEEEE GOOOOO

>>123988822

The specificity of the command affects how strongly the servant needs to obey it.

>>123988655
>>123988697
The Lancer container has higher Strength, Endurance, and Agility than Rider. It also frequently gets Battle Continuation (though Cu is so well known for doing exactly what Battle Continuation does he'll probably get it as a personal skill in other classes) and might have a nigher base Magic Resistance than Rider.

I'd expect certain Noble Phantasms that are more closely related to other classes wouldn't be as effective as Rider, too.

>>123988829
He literally killed the BBEG in UBW.

>>123988822
He should have ordered her to never use her NP against herself.

>>123988888

I'd say it's pretty specific if you say "don't kill me".

>>123988844
Tokiomi and Sakura

>>123988941
Then she could have just used it on him.

>>123988888
"Don't hurt me" is pretty specific.

>>123988896
Not a servant.

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That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Servant" bullshit that's going on in F/SN right now. Lancer deserves much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Cu in Ireland for 2,400,000 Prana (that's about six thousand adult mages worth) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even pierce slabs of solid Berserkers' heart with my Gae Bolg.

The Throne spends eons working on a single Lancer and folds causality up to a million times to produce the finest Servants known to magekind.

Cu is thrice as strong as Altria and thrice as fast for that matter too. Anything a Saber can slash through, Cuchulain can slash through better. I'm pretty sure a Gay Bulge could easily pierce a Servant protected by a Rho Aias with a simple throw.

Ever wonder why Romans never managed to conquer Ireland while the Culann's Hound still lived? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Lancer and his Gae Bolg of destruction. Even in Holy Grail War IV, Gilgamesh targeted Cu first because his killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Lancer is simply the best Servant that the world has ever seen, and thus, requires better stats in the Fate system. Here is the baseline stat block I propose for Lancer:

Strength: A
Endurance: B+
Agility: A++
Mana: A
Luck: C

Protection from arrows: B
Magic Resistance: B
Battle Continuation: A++
Instinct: A
Riding: B
Disengage: B
Rune: A+
Divinity: B

NP
Gae Bolg: Striking Death Flight
Rank: A+
Type: Anti-Army
Range: 5~40
Maximum Targets: 500 People

Gáe Bolg: Spear of Piercing Barbed Death
Rank: A
Type: Anti-Unit
Range: 2~4
Maximum targets: 1

Liath Macha and Dub Sainglend
Rank: B
Type: Anti-Army
Range 4~40
Maximum targets: 50

Now that seems a lot more representative of the piercing power of Cu in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Cu needs to be better in Fate, see my new stat block.

>>123988948
It wouldn't matter once she stabbed one of the two of them with Rule Breaker. No more Master-Servant contract.

>>123988948
Yeah, but then mortally wounded would be okay. Maybe just "don't use your NP" would work.

>>123989034
IRELAND STRONK

HEROES FOLDED 1000 TIMES

>>123989034
And that's when he's summoned in Japan.

>Go show him who's boss

Best part of carnival phantasm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9vhM6yvdrc

>>123988974
Then he should have ordered her to not use the NP on herself, and then to not use it against him. Shit was fucked, he had no chance whatsoever.

>>123988829
Is there any Lancer that actually killed a servant? inb4 Diarmuid

>>123989122
He could have been like Kuzuki and be a proper gentleman giving her solid dick.

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Wait a second. Die Issei get killed offscreen in Heavens Feel?

>>123989034
Where's riastrad?

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When I was a kid I pulled Excalibur out of the stone with Merlin.

Does that mean I'm Seibah?

>>123989129
Vlad was wrecking shit left and right until the suffering kicked in.
Hindu fuckup is easily stronger than Gil.

>>123987906
Bazett would have gotten tricked by Kotomine eventually. She never stood a chance as long as she was there. Also, she's no match for Medea or Heracles.

Old Man Acht is a stubborn old fool who probably would have gotten his shit kicked in at some point.

And your pic related was probably the most incompetent Master ever shown in the entire franchise.

>>123989122
Then he would have blown two Command Seals before the war even started.

And that's just as retarded.

What about the completely unknown guy who was meant to summon Assassin before Medea ganked him?

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>>123989034
>Attack that warps reality for guaranteed death
>Can't kill anybody with it

>>123989201
With Saber and Gil, Cu+Bazett were the only ones with a slight chance to beat Berserker.
Also you don't have to fight everyone.

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>>123989174
fucking why did I look it up?

>normie children probably went up to this 3d pig-whore expecting her to be a princess

>>123989174
Are you a cute grill who's not supposed to fight?

>>123989331
I was a cute little boy at the time and my parents told me not to fight, I guess. Does that count?

>>123989230
is he ever mentioned somewhere? probably was a random nobody

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>>123989389
Only if your dick is temporary.

>>123989285
Without Saber, Shirou and Archer around, Gilgamesh probably would have won the war.

Also, a common theme among Nasu's works is that adults aren't always necessarily more competent than children. Fate/Zero was full of incompetent fuckups.

>>123989195
That's a nice headcanon.

>>123989461
>adults aren't always necessarily more competent than children
Why is Nasu such a manchild?

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>>123989461
I agree, I just really want more Bazett.

>>123989389
Now you'r a faggot with acne and social anxiety. Shut the hell up, nigga.

>>123989433
I don't know I've been on this earth for around two decade and I've had it for all that time, I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon.

>>123989461
Gilgamesh would have ''probably'' won, even with Saber. There's a phenomenal amount of bad ends where she becomes a non-issue.

>>123989195
And they died without a kill right?

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>>123989506
Why must things get worse as we age?

>>123989510
Then you can't be seiba. I'm sorry. You won't get any ginger dickings.

>>123987906
Zouken would never enter the war so long as he doesn't know about Shirou and Sakura's relationship and the fact that Kirei still had a servant. Bazett is always destined to be killed by Kotomine since he's the only reason she's in the war at all. If Jubstacheit could fight in the war he would have already done so. That pimp still would have been killed by Caster. Them being in the war doesn't change anything since the war will still be fucked.

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>>123989578
damn.

>>123989531
>even with Saber
Yeah, Saber only wins against Gil if she has Avalon. Without that, then Gil wins, easily. Thanks Kerry.

>>123989461
I think both sets of Masters were pretty incompetent.

F/SN is just based on Kirei and Gil catching jobber virus.

>there will never be a route where Shirou somehow saves Bazett and allies with her instead of Rin

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>>123989311
why would someone do that?

>you'll never be a fat cunt who cosplays as seibah at disneyland

>>123989578
>He doesn't take his imperfection with pride and honor

I'd rather look like a grizzled war vet than a baby faced little boy.

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>>123989603
It's okay, anon. I'll still love you even if you aren't a cute little magical king arthur grill.

>>123989619
In HF it's a bit different though, nothing goes as expected for anyone.

>>123989144

Or punch her more.

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>>123989578
>ginger dickings.

>>123988655
Not in Japan.
He'd get a lot more NPs in europe or Ireland.

>>123988647
That's fucked up,anon.

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What if this guy was a master?

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>>123989644
I don't understand cosplaying in general.

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>>123989311
>white people

>>123989034
>Liath Macha and Dub Sainglend
>only B
Dude what are you smoking?

>>123988407
the more people understand a true magic, the less effective it becomes

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>>123989201
>And your pic related was probably the most incompetent Master ever shown in the entire franchise.
No.

>>123989740
Attention

>>123989740
Depends on the context. Cosplaying at an anime convention, for example, has basically the same reason as dressing up for Halloween.

That Seibah probably just thought it would be amusing to do the Sword in the Stone thing as Saber.

>>123989790
>the more people understand a true magic, the less effective it becomes
No, not really.
True magic is just like all other magic, except that what it does is completely impossible and can't actually happen.

>>123989826
Why would you want negative attention?

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>>123989787
it doesn't deserve more than Gae Bolg.
B is already pretty good.

>>123989823
fat aryan hitler was pretty bad
though Shirou without MC status is probably the worst technically

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>>123989201
> the most incompetent Master ever shown in the entire franchise

More like he had the most incompetent servant in the franchise.

>have to use all your command spells right away to stop her from betraying and enslaving you
>instead of enslaving you she kills you both just in spite

The pimp master had no chance.

>>123989844
Why do children act out?

Sometimes negative attention feels better than no attention at all.

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>>123987906
>Caster's Master
>improve anything

Anon pls.

Souchiriou did a better job and he isn't even a magus. Hell even Shinji, despite having no mana, is better than this shitskin retard as for all of his faults Shinji was at least able to prevent Rider from killing him.

0/10 Master would betray.

>>123989844

Attention is attention m8. Be negative or positive, people still want to be noticed.

>>123989880
>Master, your way of generating mana is shit, this is how it is done
>WOOOOW FUCK YOU CUNT GO KILL YOURSELF
Why was he such a dumb cunt?

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Archer with Illya as his master.

>>123989531
Anon, look at the people who defeated him.

In Fate, it was because Saber had the ultimate defense in Avalon. In UBW, it was because Shirou's Reality Marble was a natural counter against Gilgamesh. In HF, it was because Sakura was the fucking Grail and her shadows have a +50 advantage against Servants.

None of the other Servants or Masters have anything that could beat him.

>>123989940
Yeah. Literally all the guy had to do was trust Medea. She's all tragic backstory and shit but all she really wants is people to not freak out that she's a witch.

Right at the start she told that nigger she had the war in the bag and all he had to do was wait for her to win. She wasn't lying, look at how she acts with Kung Fu Professor.

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>>123989999
>dedicate your entire life to doing something
>Your slave does it 10 times better and shows you up completely
Can you not even understand why he would just be a little bit upset?

Nice quads though

>>123989880
Why summoning her then?

>>123989999
This is a man with a literal goddamn harem, and a woman just showed him that she's way better at magic than he is.

>>123989873
Shirou had a decent head on his shoulders and his competence shot straight up whenever things got really bad. He doesn't have the potential to become Archer for nothing. You're overplaying his incompetence.

>>123989880
>More like he had the most incompetent servant in the franchise.
Avenger

>>123990026
Won't be any better than Archer with Rin.

>>123990057
>Can you not even understand why he would just be a little bit upset?
Nope, he should have used that time to learn from her, or at the very least attempt to learn from her. Instead he pimpslaps her and runs to the church like a bitch.

>>123990082
Well when you put it that way it makes sense.

>>123989823
Dumbass doesn't even begin to describe this guy, I mean, Holy shit.

>>123989823
I dunno, guy in the OP wasted 3 command spells and got killed by his servant while Gordes just wasted two and only got knocked out by his servant.

>>123990037
All of those were one-on-one fights. Hell, none of Gil's fights in either FSN or Zero have him defending himself against multiple attackers.

If other Servants team up, they might have a chance.

>>123990082
That's to be expected if you summon CASTER
>>123990054
She's a grade A sociopath in her legends.

>>123990087
He can murder unarmed people without magic.

>>123987906
>if instead of teenagers and a loli
Except it exists, it's called Fate/Zero and guess what, it wasn't that better.

>>123990132
He didn't even waste command spells.
He only formulated one wrong and Caster cut her contract with him so the other's weren't effective.
And Gordes is the only Master who's servant commits suicide out of his own will.

>>123989715
Took me 5 seconds to spot my Waifu. And no it's neither Saber nor the black bull.

>>123990142
>>She's a grade A sociopath in her legends.
Open to interpretation. Some poets/playwrights/philosophers place the blame on Jason for putting her in impossible situations.

She's the hero of Euripides' play and she spends all of that planning multiple murders, then acts heroically triumphant at the end when she rides off in the chariot of the sun god.

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>>123989880
>Waste command spells on trying to enslave your servant instead of winning her over with compassion and respect
>piss servant off by belittling, insulting and physically abusing her
>squander her talents and refuse to listen to her advice because you're ass devastated that she's better at magic than you

He had a great shot at winning. Unfortunately he was a incompetent retard so he pissed it away by being an arrogant, petty sack of shit.

>>123990105
>he should have used that time to learn from her, or at the very least attempt to learn from her.
He's too proud to do that. He clearly thought he was hot shit for making that pansy-ass crystal from what, five liquified lolis? But Medea showed him he wasn't, and his pride couldn't handle that.

>>123990142
>That's to be expected if you summon CASTER
Yes, it is. In addition to being a prideful son of a bitch and probably a bit of a misogynist inb4 people start shouting tumblr, he's a goddamn idiot for not realizing that.

>>123990094
Yes he would, he depends on high mana pool and NPs to make up for his low stats.

>>123990221
>black bull.

Bring out the bull.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p3FsA0olbQ

>>123990252
>Great shot at winning
>With Caster

>>123990263
>inb4 people start shouting tumblr
The guy has a harem and his first reaction to Medea showing him up was to use a seal then punch her in the face. Pretty sure you are fine from tumblr accusation.

>>123990332
He also has a loli liquification machine

>>123990314
When Caster cheats the system, then yes.

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>>123990314

Winning the war of love.

>>123990084
mana son
that and messed up contract

>>123990252
>winning her over with compassion and respect
Some fag tried it in the last war.

His servant had him killed

>>123990314
Yes.

I know Caster Class is generally considered a shit because 'lol not a knight class' but considering the quality of the other masters, Caster's god-tier magic skills and her eagerness and skill at bending/outright breaking the rules for her own benefit he had an great shot at the grail.

Too bad he dun' fucked it up.

Why is Sella's voice so fucking awesome?

>>123990314
I'd say she's the one with the highest odds of beating Berserker/Gil if she plays her cards right. Getting the other servants with rule-breaker, starting with the weaker ones, and eventually overpowering the stronger ones with quantity over quality.
Sure beats not being able to do anything to those two like most of the others.

>>123990314
>Summon Caster
>Have them teach you old magic
>Quit the war and fuck off back to the mages association to become a living god
Literally all you have to do.

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>>123990523
Because Sella is awesome

>>123990508
she was only willing to do bullshit for her husbando
otherwise she wouldn't of done her advanced bullshit it nor was she willing to in life

>>123990483
Because that was motherfucking Gilgamesh. He values decisive actions, not platitudes.

Meanwhile Medea was a woman who was dicked over by a man who she cared about but who never actually cared about her. You win her over by showing her that you actually DO care.

>>123990578
Alternatively
>summon Cu, Ferdiad or Scathach
>learn Runes
>become God

>>123989823
He actually help Siegfried in battle though, otherwise Siegfried would just die against Karna instead of suiciding.

>>123990654
Runes aren't really inherently better than other forms of magecraft. You'd probably be just as well off learning runes from Cu as you would be learning Kabbalah from Avicebron or Alchemy from Paracelus.

>>123989147

I think Zouken magic'd him after attacking the temple. He must have ended up in a hospital.

>>123990758
Yes but you would also have a competent Servant.

>>123990314
>Only class that can cheat and summon grail without fighting in the war
>Bad

>>123989147
Nah man Zouken and Issei would be best friends.

Both hate teenage sluts.

>>123988038
I hope not. It would mess up the big reveal for the HA anime.

>>123990483
You realise that servants are individuals with unique personalities right? Just because one master got betrayed in the last war doesn't mean you should go full retard and treat your new servant as fucking Iago right from the get go.

In any case it's a hell of a lot smarter to try and win over your servant by treating them as an equal and valued partner than to piss away a precious command spell because you're an obnoxious, egotistical shit.

>>123990792
Didn't Avicebron take out Spartacus in Apocrypha?

>>123990654
They aren't even the best rune masters in Irish mythology much less Celtic mythology.

And everyone knows how to acquire rune knowledge.

Just gotta hang yourself from a tree like Odin did.

>>123990969
Vlad is the one who reckt him.

>>123990990
Grabbing a noose now

>>123990990
see>>123990792

>>123990845
> the only class that can cheat the entire grail war and still lose
> good

>>123990990
There's also the fact that Scathach became a phenomenon, and thus never made it to the Throne.

>>123989502
My nigga.

>>123991028
Irish heroes are one of the most annoying heroes ever and have a ton of inconvenient weaknesses due to stupid promises they make.

Sorry but instead of a competent Servant, you would have a Servant that you could barely control because MUH GEASS MUH TABOO.

>>123991126
>heroes are annoying because they have weaknesses
wut

>>123990314
What I recall from Chinese mythology is that Chinese casters are pretty nice and chill people and don't really do betrayals like Greek Casters do.

If you ever wanted a Caster class, pick one from Asia rather than Europe.

>>123991170
He's saying the problem is that they have SO GODDAMN MANY weaknesses.

Really, everybody in Fate knew that Lancer was Cu Chulainn. All Shirou had to do to guarantee a win against him when the time came was have Rin offer him dog meat.

>>123991170
Read Irish mythology. Irish heroes can barely stay loyal to their own lord and are unable to fuck them over in some way.

There has never been an Irish hero that had zero beef or drama with his lord.

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>>123990758
Being able to bro it up with best husbando is its own reward.

>>123991211
What about some Aztec blood magic mumbo jumbo?

>>123991242
But Japan do not eat Dog Meat?

>>123987906
Is that gil as a nigger?

why doesn't ryougi just save illya ?

Why does my torrent client suddenly not open any files from nyaan?

>>123991261
Only if you were as edgy as Uryuu.

>>123991242
Depends on where the war is fought too.

>>123991256
Implying Cu wouldn't accidentally kill your family members or friends.

He's the faggot who killed his own son after all because muh battle lust.

>>123989739
Kariya 2.0.

But it would probably also mean a bigger role for Ayako, so I'm down with it.

>>123991285
It should. Has some setting changed?

>>123990314
Medea is like the ultimate fucking Caster, you can make up a proper strategy if working together with her to fuck up everyone else and win
disregard hero faggots and bitches, kill every idiot that falls right in your traps for being retarded morons

>>123991355
I seriously don't know what happened and I'm very bad with tech but I'm absolutely certain that I didn't change anything.

>>123991211
Can't recall why, but Asian heros can't be summoned in the Fuyuki grail war.

>>123991325
>muh battle lust
Are you retarded? He killed his son because both had a geass that forced it.

Son couldn't name himself and had to enter the town, Cu had to kill anyone who tried to enter the town without naming themselves.

>>123991400
Does it give you some sort of error? If it happened suddenly, I would guess it's more of the torrent than the client.

>>123991403
They don't respect the ambition of the Holy Grail
Uru ran into it when he wanted Chinese people in Zero.

>>123991403
There's an in-universe reason and a meta reason. And either way it's a rule that can totally be broken, see Fake Assassin.

>>123991391
If Medea had a good master, she might have been able to hack the Greater Grail since with one look, she understood everything about the Grail System which is likely inferior to her Age of God magic.

>>123990314
you could abuse rule breaker on the other servants easily
the whole point of the Caster class is to cheat your way to victory, if you want proper 1 vs 1 fights, then go and exchange your servant with someone else

>>123991431
Lurk more. Cu's wife tried to tell Cu that he was fighting his own son but Cu kept telling her to shut the fuck up.

He wouldn't listen to her at all.

>>123991452
>which is likely inferior to her Age of God magic.
Not necessarily. The Grail runs on modern True Magic, which is actually beyond the scope of anything from the Age of Gods.

But those parts of the Grail are largely autonomous. And she proves she can take advantage of those even if she doesn't understand the True Magic itself by breaking the rules and summoning Assassin.

>>123991436
Okay, it seems to work on some and not on others... never ran into this before, maybe they're just dead or something?

Wasn't there a famous Greek Caster that was also the Best Doctor ever and could actually bring dead people back to life that it even pissed off Hades who tried to ban the Greek doctor from reviving the dead with no consequences?

>>123991531
Even if they're dead, they should still start downloading. Maybe fresh install your client or something.

>>123991516
well, in one ending she claims to have acquired the Grail (that one where Shirou ends in a test tube or something) so I suppose her magic skills must be even beyond what the Grail could even offer, and by that, I mean magic cancer

>>123991516
>l runs on modern True Magic, which is actually beyond the scope of anything from the Age of Gods.

[citation needed] True Magic is just remaining magic that science and technology hasnt' been able to replicate yet.

It's not really better than Age of God magic.

>>123991450
>break the rule
>summon Honda Tadakatsu
>win the war
Why is it so easy?
>Tadakatsu is often referred to as "The Warrior who surpassed Death itself" because he never once suffered a significant wound, despite being the veteran of over 100 battles by the end of his life, and because he was never defeated by another samurai. In theater and other contemporary works, Tadakatsu is often characterized as polar opposite of Ieyasu's other great general, Ii Naomasa. While both were fierce warriors of the Tokugawa, Tadakatsu's ability to elude injury is often contrasted with the common depiction of Naomasa enduring many battle wounds, but fighting through them."
It typically the kind of shits Nasu has a boner for.

>>123990969
Negatory, he got captured by Avicebron after Vlad immobilized him.

Atlanta beat the shit out of him but it's debatable if Spartacus let her do it intentionally to power up.

When he actually went serious he slapped the shit out of Jeanne.

>>123991563
Asclepius, myth claims Zeus shot a lightning bolt for being a faggot and asking for gold when he revived people
other versions say Hades asked his bro to fry him because no more dead spirits would arrive to his realm

>>123990314
In UBW she actually have the most concrete shot at winning the war than everybody in the whole game.
The fact alone of breaking/bending the Master/Servant contract puts her among the potentially best Servants from a tactical point of view.

But with Shirou "shounen protagonist miracles" and Doctor Gil bullshit around the whole thing was pretty much meaningless for the get go ,which is the whole point of it afterall.

>>123991638
They're True Magic BECAUSE they've never been figured out, even back in the Age of Gods.

If the Age of Gods could have figured out how to materialize a soul, then Heaven's Feel would not be a True Magic. If they figured out how to operate parallel worlds, then Kaleidoscope would not be a True Magic.

>>123991638
>True Magic is just remaining magic that science and technology hasnt' been able to replicate yet.
No it's not, it's literally magic that can do things that shouldn't be done.

>>123991711
She has the best chance at winning in Fate. If Doctor Gil did not arrive in the last second, she would have won the war, right there.

>>123987906
>Acht
>Zouken
>Klavier
>good masters
u w0t m8. Acht can only sit in his castle and make up THE BESTEST PLANS TO FUCK UP HGW EVER and Zouken showed how shit he was in HF. Nevermind that they'd both just jack off to their qt homunculus waifu anyway. Bazett and Achtung Baby both made the same mistake by completely trusting Kotomine. That said, I wouldn't mind watching Team Cu wreck everyone's shit.

>>123991824
Medea claims to have enough mana to supply all the servants, would the 7 of them vs Gil at the same time would have done something, or merely a LOL EA GET REKT

>>123991886
Honestly, probably EA GG, unless she figures out that Shirou has avahax.

>>123991839
Bazett was a moron because she knew Kotomine was evil but was one of those "maybe I can change him" people.

Atram just assumed he was doing his part as the impartial mediator and had no reason not to trust him.

>>123991839

Bazett wanted his dick. It's pretty understandable.

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I want to molest Kirei.

>>123991886
>>123991915
No because Shirou would use UBW to swing Hercules around like a sword and use 9 Lives on Gil while using Hercules'e entire body.

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>>123991933
>trusting anyone
>as a magus

>>123991987
Did Heracles use Nine Lives on his dick when fucking women?

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>>123991403
And then they summoned an Indian Caster.

>>123991802
Don't be a retard.

>>123991933
>>123991839
>Bazett was a moron because she knew Kotomine was evil
More like he was the only person she could relate to. He would most likely not have killed her if she didn't summon Cu, since her his goal fun.

>>123991987
But that's assuming Medea teams up with Shirou and not just steals his magical girlfriend.

>>123991987
You fucking chuuni.
Jesus.

>>123989880

How many punches would it have taken for the elf to learn her place? Clearly one was not enough.

>>123991445
>Nobunaga
>Not respecting ambition

I call bullshit.

>>123992057
Bazett is one of those "Hard on the outside.lonely on the inside" people right? Did she think Kotomine was her friend because they hung out on work assignments a lot before he got involved with the chruch?

>>123988822
Didn't Caster specifically explained in the VN that she killed her master because he was a dipshit?
If yes, maybe he could have just avoided acting like a faggot.

>>123992174
Read H/A bro

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>>123992160
Well Nobunaga IS in the Imperial Holy Grail Strange Saga in Koha-Ace, so...

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>>123992174
I don't know if she thought they were friends, but she had a massive crush on the guy.

Not that I blame her

>>123992174
Bazett is one of those people that is forever alienated by everyone, because she is weird.
Bazett meet Koto on work, but the thing is, that is not a special thing, because she meets with a lot of people while working. Sure, most of them die, but a lot don't.

She thought of Kotomine as a friend because she befriended him. Its just a shame that Kotomine has a personality type that makes him a awful friend.

>>123991445
All those Chinese emperors seeking immortality

No ambition or desires.

Calling bullshit.

>>123992252
>she had a massive crush on the guy.
fuckin paid for it.

Where's the "Trust no one' Shirou/Archer pic? It always applies.

>>123992174
Not before, while. Back when he was an Executor instead of a priest, they ended up working a lot of the same jobs.

>>123992184

He would've ended in a test tube like Shirou did in a bad end if he trusted Medea. There's a route where Medea kills Souichirou too just because and you couldn't gan more trust than Souichirou did.

The only option if you accidentally summon Medea is to instantly use all 3 command spells to kill her and then escape to the ends of the earth so that the rest of the masters won't find you.

>>123992184
>because he was a dipshit
She's more at fault than her original master was.
He was content to sit back and watch as the other masters killed eachother, which didn't sit well with Caster despite being a perfectly valid strategy. She ultimately convinced him to waste his command spells and promptly murdered him with Rule Breaker.

>>123992307
It had less to do with the "ambition" part and more to do with the "Holy Grail" part.

>>123991646
Honda Tadakatsu in Japan
Strength: A
Endurance: A+
Agility: B+
Mana: C
Luck: A

NPs
Tombo Giri: The sacred Spear of Japan Rank B anti unit

The Warrior who surpassed Death itself Rank A, probably bullshit on the level on God Hand.

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>>123992248
Generally i try to forget the Koha Ace characters for obvious reasons.

>>123987906
zero anime >ubw anime
I seriously can't see how people are liking this most episodes just drag on

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>Caster cares about chilluns

Wait, I thought Caster was supposed to be evil?

>>123992443
1000% canon.

Why isn't there any fan art of Archer Herakles?

>>123992499
She murdered her own kids to upset her husband. Maybe she just feels guilty about killing any more.

Why is Caster such a bitch?
>Trusting a whore who cut her little brother into pieces because she's a slut
Why is /a/ full of stupid fucks? She's literally worse than any 3DPD.

>>123992499
She is evil, stop laughing!

>>123992303
I want to be Bazett's friend ;_;

When will Medea get her own series?

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>>123992499
Totally evil.

>>123992567
That's not why she murdered her own kids.

>>123992646
So why didn't they get a ride on the magic chariot?

>>123992623
UBW design is vastly superior.

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>>123992623
All evils of the world

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>>123992590
She is moe.

>>123992671
because Polnareff was still in egypt.

>>123992590
>dad tries to tell her what to do
>runs away from home, murders her little brother and then throws his chunks at her pursuing father
>husband cheats
>kill your kids, the adulteress' father, the adulteress herself and then your husband
She takes no shit from anyone. She's like the Ange of Ancient Greece.