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Why is this allowed?
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>>123975899
To make next episode even more painful.
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>>123975899
Nice dubs
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It makes her look innocent before her death instead of the sadistic cunt she is half of the time.
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>>123976252
Well she is kerrytugu's daughter.
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>>123975899
because she has a heart
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>>123976220
F/Z is canon
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>>123976252
Reminder she was a normal child until Kerry's death and instant brainwashing.
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>>123976252
>>123976384
And if HF show us something, it is that she only needs to talk with Shirou for a while and she suddenly gets normal. She just wants her family.
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Because incest is immoral.
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Okay secondaryfag here, is this why Berserker lose? because Ilya become a hindrance?

Also having multiple life not enough against sword spammer? looks like their game mechanic is broken as fuck.
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You probably thought it was [Spoiler]Kiritsugu?[/Spoiler] but it was....
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>>123976996
You will see next episode.

But yeah, Herc is at a disadvantage here because he has to protect Illya from the sword rain too. Also, Gilgamesh has Enkidu to counter him.
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>>123976996
Well he almost manages to break Gil's neck next Episode. One of the cooler changes UFO did. The look of Terror in his eyes is a sight to behold.
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>>123975899
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>>123976996
The Holy Grail War is not supposed to be balanced.
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>>123977100
tfw no extended edition until half a year
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>>123977100
You went to Sakura-con?
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>>123976996
It's basically impossible for any normal hero to win if Gilgamesh is serious enough. He's got all the weapons, he's got everyone's weakness, it'd hard really stating what an unfair type he can be in a sense.

Impure heroes have a higher chance of matching him, as in things that really should have never been summoned, like Pale Rider. A true hero shouldn't be able to match him though, because their legends descended from his legend, and thus he has all their shit and their weaknesses.
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>>123977054
Her magic not enough to protect herself? also i thought Enkidu is a person? Gil's trump card is Ea right?

>>123977153
I know, but seeing F/Z Rider and Berserker died in the same way is quite boring, but now i know part of it is Illya's fault.
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>>123977313

he named a chain enkidu
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>>123977313
Enkidu was Gil's best friend, and he named his chain after him. It's the chain he used to restrain the Bull of Heaven in his legend, so it's especially good against things with divinity.

By the way, Nasu's Gilboner is immense.
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>>123977313
>Her magic not enough to protect herself? also i thought Enkidu is a person? Gil's trump card is Ea right?
Of course not, sword spam is far beyond what a magus that is not specialized in combat could manage. The Einzberns are not suited to fights, actually.

>also i thought Enkidu is a person? Gil's trump card is Ea right?
The chain is also named Enkidu in honor to his only friend. Enkidu is his most beloved NP and Ea is his trump card.
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>>123976996
Here's a quick summary of the Epic of Gilgamesh off wikipedia:

The first half of the story discusses Gilgamesh, king of Uruk, and Enkidu, a wild man created by the gods to stop him oppressing the people of Uruk. After an initial fight, Gilgamesh and Enkidu become close friends. Together, they journey to the Cedar Mountain and defeat Humbaba, its monstrous guardian. Later they kill the Bull of Heaven, which the goddess Ishtar sends to punish Gilgamesh for spurning her advances. As a punishment for these actions, the gods sentence Enkidu to death.

In the second half of the epic, Gilgamesh's distress at Enkidu's death causes him to undertake a long and perilous journey to discover the secret of eternal life. He eventually learns that "Life, which you look for, you will never find. For when the gods created man, they let death be his share, and life withheld in their own hands".[1][2] However, because of his great building projects, his account of Siduri's advice, and what the immortal man Utnapishtim told him about the Great Flood, Gilgamesh's fame survived his death. His story has been translated into many languages, and in recent years has featured in works of popular fiction.

now here's your spoiler:
Gilgamesh just so happens to have TONS of Noble Phantasms in his personal treasury, the Gate of Babylon
One of them happens to be called the "Chains of Enkidu," which also just so happen to be really good at fucking up divine beings

now can you guess which certain servant is the son of a god and half divine?
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>>123977431
For someone with such a massive Gilboner he seems to let him job quite a bit.
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>>123977313
No magic can protect against Gilgamesh's sword rain

He shoots the origins of all swords at people, the origins of human history and achievement, the unnamed prototypes. In terms of concept that's basically above any other shit.

Outside of Protea level concepts
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>>123977668
didn't stop avalon from wrecking him
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>>123977716
Perfect Dodge > Perfect Attack
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>>123977756
perfect attack wouldn't be dodged its perfect
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>>123977190
It's pretty sad then, because what anime and manga taught me so far is determination and nakama is always win, and looks like Berserker really doing his best to win this battle.

Well at least, he tried

>>123977422
>>123977431
>>123977470
>>123977489
Thanks, this Enkidu is not a trap right? because what google image show me is pretty much "draw a girl then call it a boy".
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>>123977716
That's because it was used as an actual trump card, with him having no knowledge she had it and no time to prepare for anything. Just at the apex of his strongest attack, she countered with this and got in close to finish it.

Give him too much time to figure shit out, and he'll realize he has the original Avalon in his vault or something

You have to use it as a trump card, and Saber used it perfectly.
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>>123977181
I went to a preview in Germany.
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>>123977771
>Thanks, this Enkidu is not a trap right?

Not a trap, fully inhuman mimicking the form of a human. Copied the appearance of the first human he came across in part, but has no gender.

Homunculus of the gods.
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>>123977771
Enkidu is a bunch of mud. The 'trap' form is just a copy of the prostitute of the legend.
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>>123977783
Didn't Shirou use the avalon? I can't remember.
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>>123977668
Shouldn't the "unnamed prototypes" be actually very shit as they're obscure?
King Arthur's sword would be pretty fucking famous and probably stronger than some shitty obscure predecessor.
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>>123977771
>Gil
>above homosexuality
he's he biggest pole sitter in the series
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>>123977839
Original is always the best one, that's a rule
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>>123977874
But there isn't a rule where the copy can't beat the original
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>>123977831
yes he projected Avalon while saber usd the original avalon that was inside shirous body in the fate route
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>>123977771
>>123977821
>>123977829
to the best of my memory, the nasuverse edition was kinda like this:
Enkidu was a doll made from mud by the gods for the express purpose of teaching Gilgamesh a lesson in humility

He was dumped in the wilds and raised by wolves or some shit before the gods usher him to Gilgamesh's solid gold palace and challenges the King of Heroes to a scuffle, to which Gilgamesh agrees to
They fight for twelve days or something absurd and Gilgamesh gets fed up that he can't kick the shit out of a wild hobo, let a lone a doll that's even less than a real human, so he calls it a draw
Enkidu and Gilgamesh then become best bros until the gods revoke Enkidu's privilege to life for killing the Bull of Heaven
pic related
maggots, ect...

also here:
http://www.deathreference.com/Gi-Ho/Gilgamesh.html
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>>123977839
What part of "Super prototype" don't you get? Come on, it's basic /m/ rules.
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>>123977874
>the heroes' weapons are most powerful if they are originals
>but the heroes' strenght is only measured by how famous they are and how close to homeland they are
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>>123977821
>has no gender
So how do i fuck an Enkidu?
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>>123976252
>sadistic cunt
Stop lying.
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>>123977988
When someone says "prototype" I think of "shitty thing that never had a chance to enter production".
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>>123977983
Nasuverse Enkidu's history from CCC

https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/entry-111-someone-elses-dream/

https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2014/08/30/entry-130-who-needs-immortality-anyway/
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>you are in Einzbern castle
>stuck between GoB spam and Herc hercing around
>this music plays
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFbyVaLEtz4
>Are you my master?
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>>123977988
prototypes are always modified and end up better afterwards
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>>123977983
It's a shame GIl refused to make any more friends after that.
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>>123977998
Asking to Gilgamesh
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>>123977983
Gil, one of the very few in nasuverse to ever experience true happiness, companionship, and closure.
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>>123977998
He can become all things in creation, main ability is shapeshifting.

Becomes GoB to match GoB, becomes Ea to match Ea, becomes vagina to fuck vagina with his four dicks he's also growing at the same time.
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>>123978056
music doesn't fit the scene in my head
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>>123977668
>No magic can stop him
What is Shiki?
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>>123978074
It's in the backstory in CCC

In order to give worth to Enkidu, he promised he'd never make another friend, he would always be special and the only one.
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>>123978056
>not posting the best scene from Einzbern castle
http://youtu.be/8C78Sp2Pg4w
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>>123978091
No wonder why he tries so hard so everyone else can't get a taste of what he got.
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>>123977770
Exalted reference.
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>>123978109
Here we go with the selfinsert faggot of a obscure and forgotten novel.
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>>123978127
Gil is such an autist.
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>>123977130
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>>123976220
It is. Also at least 100x better than fate stay night.
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>>123977668
Ryougi can cut origins :^)
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>>123978109
Something that can't even come close to fighting servants outside of a meme or joke that people take seriously most of the time. Try to inject him into any conversation, and get rabid when denied.
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>>123978164
this fucking guy
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>>123978052
thanks for posting this
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>>123978109
Zelretch can chew Gil up too.
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>>123978189
>This is what Shiki-fags really believe
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>>123978161
Maybe but nobody likes Ryougi. Literally the worse Shiki.
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>>123978230
>nobody likes Ryougi
Who is this nobody, anon?
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>>123978189
Shiki could technically kill Berserker, but he'd quickly get shit on.
He'd have to do it 9 fucking times without dying, too.
Against a speedy fucking hulk.
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>>123978135
>>123978135
Well, it is his most precious treasure after all.
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>>123978290
spoiler
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>>123978230
「 」is best Shiki

fuck you faggot
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>>123978290
>>123978392
This is ironic liking I can tell. Nobody actually likes her.
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>>123978290
A fucking cunt
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>>123978411
>>123978230
If you say so.
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>>123978411
Ryougi
-Likes strawberries
-Best girl in KnK
-Best Shiki
-Will protect you
-Loving
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>>123978476
Basically you listed traits that every girl in anime history has, aside from being a Shiki and being part of a shit series, therefore she is generic.
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>>123978476
Strawberries are the worst fruit, get that shit out of here with your tiny little seeds and low tier jelly/jam

Grape is the only thing this board will represent, or maybe blueberry.
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>>123978573
post you're waifu then faggot
>>123978581
>liking grapes
nigger

Strawberry > Oranges > Blueberry > Pineapple > Grapes
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>>123977431
it's more his boner for old things is insane, seeing as he also let Ryougi curbstomp Araya after she gets her hands on an antique katana simply because the older the artifact the better
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>>123978643
Go die
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>>123978476
>-Likes strawberries
Overrated as fuck.

>-Best girl in KnK
Literally every girl in KnK is more interesting to watch than Shiki.

>-Best Shiki
The only good part of her is dead.

>-Will protect you
>-Loving
Just like everyone.

Face it, Shiki is shit. Her daughter is nice though.
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>tfw no Shiki NTR mindbreak doujins
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>>123978655
That's one of the fundamental concepts of the Nasuverse, old shit is always better, sometimes new stuff can overcome it, but that doesn't stop the old stuff from being better.

This is because humans used to be way better when there were less of them, in basically every way. Original humans were best, whenever there's more of them though that intrinsic value their all share gets divided between them somehow.

Alaya hasn't changed I guess, the spirit of humanity is the same whether its ten humans or ten billion. It's just divided between them.
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>>123978476
>the only traits i can use for her is she loves you and protects you
Okay line her up with the other 50 million girls in anime. SO INTERESTING!
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>>123978693
>>123978747
What do you get out of doing this
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>>123978735
So back in the day everyone was Superman, but these days you can maybe hop one foot in the air.

It's part of the reason heroes are less of a thing.
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>>123978476
touko's cooler
she has a gameboy
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>>123978034
>>123978064
Nah, on /m/ and generally in Japanese understandings of prototypes, they're overambitious testbeds for technology to be mass-produced later. BUT, they're soooo ambitious that they're WAY BETTER.

Or you have cases like /m/'s AltEisen, which was the prototype for the next generation of solid-projectile-using mechs, but whose concept was passed up because the heavy armor, risky defensive combat it promoted wasn't as useful as the cheaper, faster, lighter armored alternative. So the head R&D got butthurt and let the main character keep it so it could get some use.

tl;dr This thing is better because it's more obscure.
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>>123978768
helping you raise your standards
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>>123978784
It would be a real shame if someone were to steal it.
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>>123978843
Older sister > shit > younger sister
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How did Einzbern forest wolves penetrate the God Hand?
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>>123978935
And Zerofags think that Kiritsugu has a chance of saving Ilya even if he wasn't cursed.
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>>123978935
You think they're going to have normal wolves in a magic forest?

No, they're magic wolves
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>>123978963
did Kiritsugu ever fuck the grail? Or was Ilya made with magic cause there was a room filled with dolls.
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>>123978782
>>123978735
http://www.outsideonline.com/1923776/how-far-fitness-has-fallen

tl;dr the average ancient farmer would be match for a trained modern athlete
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>>123978935
I don't that's Berserker's blood mate.
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>>123978693
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>>123978935
Look at Hercules there, not even bleeding

That's the wolves blood, or Ilya's blood as she hemorrhages out from Berserker moving around too much since summoning him three months early was Kariya level pain.

Wolves keep breaking their jaws on Hercules, and loli just writhing around in blood nearby.
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>>123976220
Said no one ever.
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>>123979005
He fucked Iri.
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>>123979064
Secondary spotted. I bet you think there were only wolves there too didn't you
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>>123979047
I think you accidentally the verb mate.
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>>123979125
I bet you think they were A rank wolves, don't you faggot.
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>>123979145
Yes I did. Probably a sign that I should take my leave.
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>>123979149
>Being this assblasted for being a moron
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>>123979204
Took you two-minutes to come up with "Your sure ass-blasted". Damn you're pathetic.
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>>123978013
Stop being delusional.
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>>123979261
>your sure
>thinking I'm sitting on this thread ready to reply to your autistic post instantly
Holy shit this must be a troll.
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>>123976384
She's still "normal" considering her situation

Went through some shit like Sakura, but manifested it in different ways. Became more aggressive, despite how much the Einzebern's tried she couldn't actually become actually hateful, was prone to secrecy, and even a little yandere

What is it about trauma that really makes someone into DEEP LOVE here?

Just like the other girls, needed the situation to unfold in just the right way to be saved a bit, and show her real self. Comes off as the most mature girl in the cast by the end somehow.
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>>123979064
read the VN faggot
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>>123976713
>it is that she only needs to talk with Shirou for a while and she suddenly gets normal
Shirou does the same in Fate and she still decided to put him into a doll.
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Was this all Ufo here? I can't remember anything like this.
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>>123979483
filler
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>>123979483
UFOtable also magically made Ilya all mellow after her lack of development in UBW and also ignored how ruthless she was during episode three
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>>123979483
>>123979522
That's not what filler is, there was a scene in the original where Caster talked about her master a bit, they expanded on it.

Nasu said he wrote some new scenes for the anime here, this is one of them. Ufotable isn't making new shit up on their own. They got the creator in here to make new shit instead.
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>>123979535
Ilya is always pretty mellow, but she'll still fucking kill you. Considering its a war she is justified enough.

Even in the prologue she gave Shirou time to summon his servant before going after him.
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>>123979568
>They got the creator in here to make new shit instead.
And Nasu can't write for shit and is the japanese equivalent to George Lucas
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>>123979483
I feel like they made him a little too over the top - like he's a complete monster compared to Caster
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Fate is shit. When do you guys stop being children?
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>>123979636
You don't get much more monstrous than the things Medea does.
And no she wasn't "mind-controlled" she just was in love with Jason
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>>123979609
What's so bad about the Caster flashback that people have been calling it out as shit for a few days now, and Nasu is George Lucas because of it? The fact that he uses technology because "All mages should think and believe the same, no one should ever go outside of the mold set", despite how we've seen in about a dozen stories now that there are always different types here? First mages were introduced to are even pretty heretical by normal standards.

Course there are mages that use technology, but they just aren't regarded as well by the old age of magic types. There are many different factions in Clock Tower alone.

You can also see that in Nasu's draft and in what was supposed to happen in the script, Berserker was supposed to have lost two lives versus Archer and Saber. That wasn't just Nasu being shit or making up shit, that was how it was supposed to be, you can even see proof of that in the next episode with Ilya's dialogue. If you want to say it's bullshit that he lost lives there, you can say it was the animators that didn't show it well enough.
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>>123979713
TM loves a bit of yandere
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>>123978820
What about cases where being a testbed the ambitious new technologies in the prototype are not as well developed as in the final product?
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>>123979968
Not applicable to moonland
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>>123978476
>Best Shiki
Phebian detected.
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>>123979968
It's all about concept, the original thing is the origin of the concept, therefore it's the best.
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>>123979968
You are talking about Nips here.
Also progress is an Anathema to Nasu
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>>123980118
>>123980061
>>123980227
What about nukes? The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs were the progenitors of nuclear weaponry, but compared to modern nukes (or even nukes a couple of decades later) they were underpowered and overengineered. So if Gil has them in his vault by virtue of being the original atomic bombs, they would be worse than if he had, say, a Minuteman-III
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>>123980245
EVERYTHING WAS BETTER IN THE PAST.
THERE IS NO PROGRESS
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>>123976332

You'll soon get proof of it!
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>>123980245
Sometimes a newer model can be higher in power, but lower in concept.
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>>123980118
Plato pls
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>>123980245
Blame the Greeks
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>>123976195
Check My 5 Then.
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>>123980329
>>123980309
Wait people still take platonic ideals serious?
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>>123978719
Tentacles mind break
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>>123980371
No, but it's a theme in the nasuverse
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Reminder that Gilgamesh is shit.
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>>123980386
But it's fucking stupid.
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>>123980405
This is the world you wanted
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>>123980405
Double kill!
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>>123977783
Avalon is some kind of fairy magic and shit, Gil only have human made Nobel phantasm if i remember correctly.
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>>123980441
Is Gilgamesh the first quickscoper?
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>>123980438
No, THIS is the world I wanted
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>>123980471
He has the origins of all noble phantasms
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>>123979461
Yes, but far more advanced in the war and only once. In HF it was at the very start and they talked far more. Also, killing Shinji was like a trigger for Illya to went into kill everyone and win mindset.
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>>123980502
No he doesn't. He has all men treasury.
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>>123980245
The difference is that all of that is human made and many of the originals weren't. Age of the Gods and Age of Man. Humanity is still developing though, and according to Gil in CCC it has the potential to reach to the starts and grow more.
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>>123980245
>>123980575
>starts
stars
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>>123980494
Friendly reminder that there will NEVER be a happy Emiya family
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>>123980494
Why is Iri such a shit mom in Prisma?
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BLAZE IT.
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>>123980245
The thing is that Gil represents the foundation of humanity and all its potential.
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>>123980575
Humanity can surpass itself, but at the moment its unlikely.

Reaching the stars is the ultimate ending

Being consumed by Aliens Notes style is the normal ending
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>>123980405
Sweet dreams pure maidens.
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>>123980634
Not a shit mom, just reckless and carefree. Tries to care but her parenting style is pretty loose.

>>123980641
Just the foundation
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>>123979706
Name your top anime
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>>123980677
>Just the foundation
According to CCC, he got all possible shit that humanity can think of.
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>>123980634
haemonculi aren't so good at raising kids
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>>123980641
But the theme of the Epic is "Fear of Death"
How does that represent "the foundation of humanity" or "the potential of humanity"
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>>123980575
I thought that Gil had the prototypes of everything human made. This means he only has the original iPhone, the first one, and the HTC Dream, the first Android phone.
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>>123980245
He has ancient Indian nukes from Vimana.

>>123980556
He has all the origins of the NP "even if it is a paradox" because he's the original hero. He also has the everything humanity can ever make from board games to speed of light ships that they'll eventually build.
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>>123980730
Because his is the first known legend and the foundation to a lot of western mythology.
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>>123980677
>Not a shit mom
>Shirou is treated like shit most of the time
>never home so Shirou, Sella and Liz ended up raising Illya
I wonder what kind of PTSD he has from Iri.
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>>123980790
>Because his is the first known legend and the foundation to a lot of western mythology.
That's streching a lot.
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>>123980775
So humanity's first FTL starship is the best one and all the subsequent ones are worse than it? Because it this isn't so, then Gil has the worst FTL starship.
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>>123980708
Except that's entirely wrong, and you're just taking a line out of context as we've been over a few times now. I know exactly what line you mean, because people keep coming in here misunderstanding that line and acting like "Nasu is wanking him further" when it doesn't even say it like that.

He doesn't have "All things humans can ever imagine", he doesn't even have things from outside of his era. Something still has to be created entirely for Gilgamesh to have it, something made from a new humanity cannot be his, something handed down by a higher body to humans cannot be his, and he only has the origins of things. This is all talked about in CCC, the entire idea of "HUmans imagine it he has it" is bullshit and a line taken incorrectly entirely.

He doesn't even have the fishing reel Archer traced in Ataraxia. He might have the original fishing reel, but he doesn't have that one, which is why he wanted it.

Doesn't have shit from outside of his era either unless its an NP, it's just that humans back then basically built anything from the new age, but with magic.
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>>123980730
It is basically using the "he has everything in this world" literally and using it as a thematic foundation to how the Epic of Gilgamesh is the "first" legend.

>>123980824
Not really, I have seen a lot of historians considering that many legends share thematic ties with the Epic. Also, Mesopotamia being the cradle of civilization.
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>>123980846
No, Uruk built everything humanity will ever build except with magic. It's the magic equivalent of all modern technology including submarines, machine guns, nukes, and planes (Vimana).
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>>123980846
It's better you stop questioning Gil's level of bullshit.
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>>123980405
That whole scene hit me like a fucking truck. The maids were cute.
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>>123980775
>He also has the everything humanity can ever make from board games to speed of light ships that they'll eventually build.

Viamma is not some light speed ship that humanity will one day build, stop spreading misinformation

> If it does not exist in Gilgamesh's treasury, then it is "something produced by a new breed of humanity, according a completely new concept," "something made from the technology of the culture born from the intelligent life from another heavenly body," one of the two.
>For that reason, of course he has airplanes and submarines. The desires of the people from before Christ are not different, and it would not do for the crafts of ancient times when magic was in good health to be inferior to the crafts of the modern age. People generally realize the "tools of hope" that they dream of, and each time that occurs, it ended with them being confiscated by the king's hand.

he doesn't have shit from the new humanity, Viamma was from his age. HUmans already built all shit back in his age, but it was better because it ran on magic.

Gilgamesh isn't still adding onto his vault to this day, shit was all made back in the day with magic. He cannot have anything from the newer ages.
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>>123980846
Humanity can surpass it, but now stagnated and it is still in its infancy. That is what the whole Gilgamesh backstory is about in CCC.
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>>123979461
In Fate, she's getting the pain from being a Grail. HF spares her this role and it's given to Sakura. It drives Sakura insane too (which people forget, she can switch off her senses as Iri or Illya).
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>>123980899
>It is basically using the "he has everything in this world"
You mean the thing Nasu came up with?
Because that sure as hell isn't in the Epic
>Not really, I have seen a lot of historians considering that many legends share thematic ties with the Epic. Also, Mesopotamia being the cradle of civilization.
It is when you try to sell me Gilgamesh as the foundation and potential of humanity
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>>123980973
Where did I say Vimana is the Ship of Light? Those are two different things.
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>>123981000
>Because that sure as hell isn't in the Epic
It was, the line was retranslated some years ago. I remember that my edition had a long essay about it.
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>>123980998
>It drives Sakura insane too
Yeah she just enjoys killing random people with the shadow.
She literaly starts laughing when she finds out it's real because it feels good.
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>>123981026
People are never really sure what it was he used at the end of CCC to get back from the edge of the galaxy, most assume its Viamma for some reason.
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>>123980846
>humanity's
That spaceship was an alien artefact. It's not humanity's creation.
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>>123981053
Which tablet was it on?
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>>123981066
Neither Vimana or the Ship of Light came from alien technology. If it's something he has, it was either found somewhere or requisitioned from someone who made it in Uruk.
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>>123980405
He gets his
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>>123981121
>from someone who made it in Uruk
You mean, someone who found it from having landed from outer space.
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>>123981090
I don't remember, but I think it was at the beginning. I think now it was a "he descended into the underworld" line or a he knowing everything one.
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>>123979713
She was explicitly under the curse of a goddess in the Nasuverse, and its implied she never even had children with him that she could murder like the myths say.
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>>123980405
>>123981138
I love that foreshadowing
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>>123981183
Where did you even get such an idea in the first place? The basis of his treasury is the "origins of human wisdom."
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>>123981059
If you think that's what happened, that's a bit off. After she killed Shinji she started breaking down laughing and crying, unable to process, only way she was able to not break fully was by allowing herself to be less human, convince herself she was a monster, pretend to slip into another personality but really just let all the evils slip out and take hold.

Thing holding her back was the mental link all that time, like a fully inhuman thing pretending to be human as it was breaking because it was still being held down by the container "human". It broke, no longer held down/back, thus a monster was born, but the monster was still her in control compared to when Shadow was eating people at night at it wasn't her because she was asleep the entire time thinking it was a dream.

In breaking down all the way, she accepted a demon to avoid breaking down entirely in a sense. Which oddly allowed to her become whole.
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https://youtu.be/0Fq0xLoQvGQ?t=12m51s

>People questioning Gilgamesh being bullshit
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>>123978150
>gil is such a romantic
fixed
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>>123981194
He who saw the Deep, the country's foundation,
[who] knew ... , was wise in all matters!
[Gilgamesh, who] saw the Deep, the country's foundation,
[who] knew ... , was wise in all matters!
[He] ... everywhere ...
and [learnt] of everything the sum of wisdom.
He saw what was secret, discovered what was hidden,
he brought back a tale of before the Deluge.
He came a far road, was weary, found peace,
and set all his labours on a tablet of stone.
He built the rampart of Uruk-the-Sheepfold,
of holy Eanna, the sacred storehouse.

This one?
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>>123978643
bananas>
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Which is the fastest?

Mesektet
Vimana
Yamaha V-Max
Pegasus
Bayard
Golden Hind
Gordius Wheel
Hippogriff
Xanthos and Balius
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If Gil has everything why did he take that card from Shirou/Avenger in FHA?
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>>123981393
Wow, that is pretty different to the one I read. How many translations of this thing are out there?
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>>123981450
Whoever the plot needs to be faster.
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>>123981478
Because Fate Extra isn't canon
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>>123981481
I'm gonna say a bunch
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>>123981450
Viamma moves at the speed of thought
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>>123981450
Of those we know
Vimana > Bellerophon > V-Max (Invisible Air + Armor + Nitros for like three seconds) => Gordius Wheel >>Regular V-Max
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>>123981478
because he's a dick
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>>123981478
Because that card is the anchor of the ancient aliens in the Earth, forgotten long ago, in the Moon Cell, but recoverer somehow by the sand niggers of Persia.
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>>123981517
That's pretty slow compared to servants.
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>>123981478
Probably has the origin of card games, but that was the original hanafuda.
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>>123981517
thought is slower than light
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>>123981247
> foreshadowing
Pretty sure Shirou cutting off Gil's arm was DEEN only.
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>>123981251
But are his artefacts all manufactured by humans, or are they made by nonhumans which humans then ripped off from?
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>>123981502
>CCC created all Gil wank, Nasu husbando shit, that's where all the Gate of Babylon stuff originated.

Don't be stupid, it's had literally all shit ever since the original game. Original interviews and original materials both confirm it.

>Q: Does “King’s Treasure: Gate of Babylon” contain things such as rare but weak Noble Phantasms? I noticed he kept wine in there in Fate/Zero, so I was wondering if Gilgamesh’s everyday meals were in there as well.

>A: Anything can be found in there. Like a meat that multiplies in proportion to how much is eaten. He’s definitely the “NEET of Babylon.”
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>>123981481
A few.
Did you read prose or the direct translation of the tablets?
>>123981554
Mooncell doesn't exist outside of Extra
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>>123981591
No, he tries to draw Ea in the novel and he loses a body part for it. I can't remember if it's just a hand or the entire arm though.
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>>123981591
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>>123981517
Slash Emperor moves at the speed of thought.

>>123981585
That it is. But it's about the speed of lightning which is still really fast.
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>People thinking Gil is Nasu's husbando when in reality its Takeuchi and its just as close as she's going to get
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>>123981138
>summons UBW
>doesn't us it
Bravo DEEN.
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>>123981595
All made by humans. They had the "same desires" as modern humans, so they made everything humans have made and will make out of magic stuff. That acts as the "origins of human wisdom."
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>>123981652
>She
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>>123981633
>Slash Emperor moves at the speed of thought.
human thought or ether liner thought, which I'm going to guess is faster because they're overall better
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>>123981652
>she
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>>123981675
even worse

>Gil forgets he can just spam NPs and starts sparring with him
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>>123981769
If they fought longer Shirou would be his friend and they'll all laugh about it
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>>123981769
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kiAcwtcfJ4
>Dat drill
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>>123981679
Then why does his vault have Perseus's Harpe which was given to him by the god Zeus, the Vajra which belongs to the god Indra, and Dáinsleif which was made by dvergr aka dwarves
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>>123981769
Shirou counters his spam with UBW-spam.
Gil is nothing without spamming
>>123981835
The answer is because Nasu has no clue about mythology or doesn't give a fuck
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>>123981604
Nasu has also confirmed that everything in Extra, all the Mooncell servants line up with the throne. Anything that's in there counts the same as normal. Everything talked about with Gilgamesh here, is the same as in other world-lines.

大河「ムーンセルのサーヴァントは抑止の輪から呼び出されたものじゃなくて、NPCと同じように再現された コピーという認識は正しいのかしら?」
桜「はい、その通り正しいです。より正確に言うと、ムーンセルが記録している人類史からの完全再現となりま す。ただし、この人類史は仮言的に英霊の座と繋がっているので、一概にコピーとは言えません。要するに、ム ーンセルも自分で人類史を作っている認識なのですが、その人類史はそもそも英霊の座とまったく同じものなの で、同一存在として仮言的には重なり合っている、みたいな感じです。」
大河「ついでに言うと、抑止の輪はまた別ね。アーチャーさんは抑止の輪側の英霊だけど、エクストラのアーチ ャーさんは英霊の座から呼び出されたために、今回は抑止力の奴隷になっていないというわけ。」
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>>123980641
Only ingenuity potential. Saber represents their aspirations and dreams.
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>>123981835
Might be part of the "it's a paradox" thing, or because humans created the gods through their worship, it's still "human technology."
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>>123981867
I know about the spam thing, I was just pointing out how retarded DEEN made it where both adversaries make almost no use of their arsenal and instead fighting using only one or two weapons at the time
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>>123981908
nasu makes shit up on the spot and then forgets it two weeks later
dont trust that wily niggas lies
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>>123981059
Uh no? Did you read HF? Sakura was losing her mind like Shirou did in the end. She didn't even have a sense of time, her mind and soul were breaking due to the souls she was hosting.

Illya knew what was happening and didn't give a fuck to warn Shirou. So the blame is all on her. Sakura ignored what was happening on the other hand.
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>>123981908
>Nasu has also confirmed that everything in Extra, all the Mooncell servants line up with the throne.
Except when they don't
Also
>Trusting Nasu
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>>123981948
More like complementary materials ruin people headcanon and then they rage.
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>>123981948
"Nasu a hack, doesn't count" always feels like such a cry of defeat when one can't say anything else.
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>>123981996
This
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>>123981996
When the Complete Material directly contradicts what happens in the VN than I don't know what to trust.
Or when his interviews contradict stuff in the VN or the Complete Material
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>>123982042
CCC and now Garden of Avalon expand on Gil and Arturia. It is sad people refuse to realize this is the era of Gil and Altria.
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Elephants can kill Servants.
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>>123977668
Nasu stop shitposting and go finish my Tsukihime remake
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Gilgamesh, king of Heroes.
Solomon, king of Magi.
Iskandar, king of Conquerors.
Arturia, king of Knights.

Those titles seem to be relevant (but Iskandar and Solomon haven't been powerwanked yet by Nasu). Any other king?
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>>123981835
Isn't it because Gil have the prototype weapon of all heroes?
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>>123982102
Is Arcueid the lost children of this two?
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>>123982042
He doesn't really contradict himself nearly half as much as what people want to rage about, with the memes catching on more and more.

Most of the time I'm just seeing someone not understand shit even if its obvious, so they just blame it on him contradicting shit. Even though it's mostly just them not understanding shit.

>>123982134
Take this as an example. It was something someone made up that sounded like a real quote at one point that caught on, but was proven entirely fake.

To this day people still remember it, and no one took it off that CM website.
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How much ass would Simon Magus kick in the nasuverse?
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>>123982193
I....

Maybe that's how her body was artificially created and Nasu will update this on the remake. She looks like Saber with Gil's eyes nowadays.
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>>123982162
Solomon is in Fate now?

You missed Ozymandias, David and Perseus who are kings as well
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>>123978304
No way Shiki's eyes would fathom the true form and death of a divine mystery. At the very least not without his brain melting.
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>>123982162
Ozymandias goes by King of kings
Gawain goes by King of Jobbers
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>>123982285
I forgot about Ozymandias, King of Kings. But the other ones had a "King of something" title? Just because they are rulers, not all get that treatment.
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>>123982193
This would simultaneously piss off Arcfags and Saberfags. DO IT NASU.
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>>123982324
>King of Jobbers
He only lost to Galahad who is basically the Gilgamesh of Arthurian mythos, no shame in losing to a Frenchie-wanked super knight.

Mordred killed him, because he was protecting his King and was still carrying the injuries he incurred during his fight with Shitcelot.

Shitcelot beat him once and in a dishonorable way after schooling him for multiple times in fair duels.

On the jobber scale Sir Gawain is ranked pretty low all things considered.
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>>123982162
Jesus, King of Jews

Oddly his greatest adversary was also Jewish people and Satan. People that believed in their own righteousness over God, appointing themselves as great in all their ways while looking down as others as they got the finest silks and linens. Instead of helping the poor and sick and shit. Jesus came down to give speeches to everyone often, as they would try to trip him up with their logic since he kept calling them out on their bullshit, as he called them out further each time.

Sometimes he had an easier time with the Romans than his own people.
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>>123982198
>He doesn't really contradict himself nearly half as much as what people want to rage about
He contradicts himself more than enough.
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>>123982162
Elvis, King of Rock & Roll
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Shiki is best Shiki. Are other Shikis even trying?
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>>123982435
and Nero, EMIYA and Tamamao in EXTRA

>>123982498
>lover-boy
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>>123982162
Ok, so:

Gilgamesh, king of Heroes.
Ozymandias/Rameses II, king of Kings
Solomon, king of Magi.
Iskandar, king of Conquerors.
Arturia, king of Knights.
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>>123982546
>player characters
Of course everyone will lose, that's like questioning how a teenage ginger beat a guy who has the powerlevel of five Servants.
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>>123982447
> When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”

>Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”

>The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

>When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

>Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.
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>>123982498
I'd get killed by her if you know what I mean.
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>>123982546
>and Nero, EMIYA and Tamamao in EXTRA
Literally with cheat codes
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BREAK CHILD.
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>>123982680
>listen to Aimer
>they all sound the same
>probably also done with meme composer Sawano
>Kalafina gets shit for the same thing
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>>123982660
Just because Aoko is beefing up your servant, it doesn't make it a cheat.

Everyone has access to Aoko
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>>123982680
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>>123982498
Are you even trying inferior Ryougis?
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>>123977756

'Sup /tg/ Exalted General. I knew I'd find at least one more of us here.
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MAKE BLIND.
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>>123982733
Rin hacked the system so Numeral of the Saint didn't work
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>>123982842
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>>123982848
All she did was turn the Sun off

Sun ain't a cheat, it's just there.
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>>123982848
Wasn't Leo cheating as well? I forget.
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>>123982776
I often see Gilgamesh being called 'shitty Solar', whatever that means.
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>>123982900
If anybody is running codecasts they are cheating.
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>>123982875
>Making something that shouldn't happened with hacking
>Not cheating
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>>123982900
Leo was entirely on the up and up, straight came up and said who his servant was first day you met him even.

Could not ever see himself losing, it was said his battle ability was like Rin and Rani combined at the same time, even if in individual ways they might surpass him.

He's the standard "Maxed stats" master of this war, like Ilya.
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>>123982848
Magic in that world is literally cheating though.
All the codecasts are using Cheat Engine but not at full potential.
You literally modify base stats.
>>123982964
>making swords out of fucking nothing but memory
>not cheating
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>>123982335
>>123982324
I thought Jesus was the king of kings
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>>123982987
>making swords out of fucking nothing but memory
And mana
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>>123982987
>All abilities ever
>Not cheating
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>>123983018
>God Hand
>literally Godmode
>eleven one-up mushrooms from nowhere
>not cheating
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>>123983001
no, he's King of Jews
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>>123983001
King of Kings is a generic title of amazing-ness that everyone in certain cultures get.
The King of Ethiopia was King of Ten Thousand Kings or some shit before World War II.
It's like "X the Great" in European culture.
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MAIDS DIE.
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>>123983151
>GoS
>Gate of Shinji
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>>123983151
At least put some effort into it
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>>123983151
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>>123981632
That part was hilarious. Gil is gonna lose and then A FUCKING BLACK HOLE IN HIS FUCKING CHEST. Holy crap, just kill him properly without this bullshit. Oh, and also THIS face. It was like a comedy at this point.
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>>123983225
I prefer THIS face
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>>123983073
He's pretty against wealth, and most forms of ownership.

>Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

>You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Talks about ideals
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why does shinji become a piece of mud and how did they rescue him? why does a black hole pops up from gil? was all of this even explained?
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>>123983449
All of it was explained but you need to actually read the VN.

Black Hole was angya looking for a new host after it lost Shinji, but it couldn't use Gilgamesh since he wasn't truly human even with his solid body. Trying to incarnate into full Angya.
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>>123983376
I didn't mean jew in greedy sense
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>>123975899
At first she wants to brutally murder him, now she wants to ask him things. Quality writing right there.
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>>123983376
>jesus as lancer
>holy lance that activates after he pierces himself with it
>carries a giant cross that activates a reality marble that reenacts his last moments
>all around good guy
>holds back naturally
>only fights when necessary and only for six days
>has knowledge of magic but his container limits him from using it to his full potential
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>>123983483
what about shinji?
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>>123983521
First night was her idea of a "Hello" of sorts, she left him alive.

Even in other routes when he jumped in front of the sword, she chose not to finish it off.
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>>123977839
I'd say "prototype" isn't a good word here. They're archetypes. Models. Newer stuff is always an inferior copy. Like a picture of original Mona Lisa.

>>123979035
>tl;dr the average ancient farmer would be match for a trained modern athle
For a student cross-country runner. There is a difference.
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>>123983521
Well you have to remember the quality of the source material.
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>>123982324
Gawain is king of shit-talking though
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>>123983584
Sir Gawain never shit-talks, he merely speaks the absolute truth
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>>123983376
I think you really misinterpret his message.
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>>123983483
Still this scene is looking dumb. I want to see how UFO will animate all this shit.
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>>123983564
He would have died anyway, only his Deus Ex Machina called "Avaron" saved his ass.
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She doesn't get to ask those questions this route.
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>>123983521
The graveyard/first fight was playful banter, nothing to bitch about.
You also kind of need the context of the playground chats in fate.
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>>123983602
You can be wealthy and be of God, but he still says it's easy to be misled by such things, and there's honor in poverty. Like the women who gave her last two cents as an offering.

People that are wealthy can often make the mistake of trusting their money or Earthly security over God. There's rather a few Biblical people that were wealthy, but they kept God first. It's important to understand the difference.

Money is not evil, can't ever be evil, but love of money is evil.
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>>123981591
>Pretty sure
Making assumptions is the worst thing about secondaries.
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>>123983634
Something introduced in the first chapter of a story and fully explored later is not DEM.
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>>123979483
Is this the first time we learned about caster's master? Like this dude wasn't covered in some obscure art-book or something, right?
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Is there any chance the anime will deviate from VN UBW plot? I don't really want to watch the same shit for the 5th time.
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>>123983689
Yeah, that's not a denunciation of wealth or property ownership in themselves.
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>>123983783
There already has been plenty of liberties they took with the anime, but if they went full retard like you propose and deviate, then might as well not call it Unlimited Blade Works and just Fate/Stay Night : Fanfiction instead
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It's like half the shit people don't understand in Fate is them taking stuff too literally or missing out on some of the implications underneath.

Yeah Shirou might have died against Berserker, but that was still just her greeting him a bit in her own way. She waited to attack him after he summoned his servant, not taking it too personally, she was quite interested in him, but she needed to set things off on the right step here since it was a war.

She has a choice of not attacking him during the day unless he attacks first during any route, because "Battles happen at night". If she meets him outside of the war she's pretty chill like "I'm going to win anyway, so lets just talk for now". After the way she was raised some of her actions come off odd.
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>>123983602
If you're not ready to give up everything you own at any instant, you are not of God.
Any other interpretation is bullshit and you know it
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>>123983752
This is the first time

Nasu wrote that scene as an extra for the anime version.
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>>123983521
>At first she wants to brutally murder him
But she never actually did. The Einzberns wanted to. Not Illya herself, she only thought that she was supposed to.

Personally she had hope in Shirou, while also holding the contempt that it was likely that they all just abandoned and screwed with her life like she has been told.
But she always wanted to find out whether or not her last remaining family was actually family or legit trash, in spite of her primary mission being to obliterate them.

The Einzberns really fucked up though. They did manage to raise a super master, but they failed to actually make her loyal to them and their cause. Illya's opinion of the Einzberns is pretty darn poor.
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>>123983854
The liberties they took were all pretty decent.
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>>123983863
Uh, okay
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>>123983863
>those hands
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>>123982324
>Ozymandias goes by King of kings
I remember this. It surprised me because of out all the "King of X" titles of TM, I always thought that Nasu had deliberately avoided using the King of Kings title.
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>>123983913
they are, but it still fits the original storyline, which is why they work
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>>123983927
>>123983863

what the FUCK?
this is an edit, right?
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>>123983983
Ozymandias is the most logical one to get this title though.
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>>123983863
Oh shit, those hands, those fingers.
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>>123984002
The most famous one would be Jesus/The Messiah.
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FSN could've been good if the best masters, Bazett and Klavier Gavin took part in the war. Instead we got teenager angst teh anime. Did we at least get decent Kotomine and Zouken action in it? Nope, it's all in the Heaven's feel shit route.
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>>123983884
Just having it doesn't necessarily mean one is unwilling to give it up at any instant, bruh.
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>>123984061
Not in a literal sense, and certainly not as the human being Jesus.
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>>123984135
>muh mature anime
>tubmlr filename

7/10 bait
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>>123977668
>No magic can protect
Not even Archer's Rho Aias?
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>>123983151
it's the face of bullying
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>>123984203
I NEVER FELT LIKE
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>>123984149
I can assure you that 99% of christians aren't.
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>>123984135
>teenager angst teh anime
>Did we at least get decent Kotomine and Zouken action in it?
Oh yes, because they are so much more mature than the teenagers.
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>>123984135

Also replace Ilya with Jubstacheit.
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Just finished the Fate route for the first time since I was always avoiding that one. Now I know why.

>Girls should not fight
>Girls should not wear armor
>Girls should not get hurt
>Girls should not
>Girls should not
>Girls
>GIRLS

Didn't know it was the Tumblr route. And why did I get the feeling that Saber actually likes the UBW/HF Shirou much more.
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>>123984173
Anus is never good for defense, they're the number one most defenseless part of the body.
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>>123984237
They're more entertaining
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>>123977983

where is this from? it looks from the author of FATE/ZERO manga, so i want to read it, that guy does not know the word "Censorship"
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>>123984273
It's just Fate/Zero manga.

If you want more Enkidu, then read Fate/Strange
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>>123984228
That's a massive assumption to make about people you don't even know.
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>holy grail war with Jesus as Saver and Mohammad as Berserker
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>>123984273
>>123984317
To note, they cut that scene out of the F/Z anime, but it was there in the novel. The Enkidu death scene.

Manga put it back in
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>>123984135
I only agree for Bazett.
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>>123984248
She likes UBW Shirou and she gets beat by HF Shirou on High Risk High Reward mode.
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>>123983483
Except the novel only talks about black void as an aftereffect of the destruction of the graal.
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>>123984343
can you PROVE Mohammad went completely mad during his life?
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>>123984342
You're telling me that most people would just abandon EVERYTHING they own just like that?
That's an even bigger assumption.
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>>123984343
>summon Muhammad as a Servant
>ISIS bombs the city you're in, bonus points if it's in the UK or Burgerland
Autowin.
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>>123982324
>Implying Gawain isn't best Saber
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