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>Hyouka was KyoAni's peak and all that's left is dying throes

I like to rim the KyoAnus as much as the next guy but I have serious doubts they'll ever make anything that can even come close to some of their better works. It's sad to see the wasted potential.
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>>123971874
>a pretty-looking snoozefest was Kyoanus' magnum opus

That's quite sad
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>>123971874
bait.
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Well if you compare it to Hyouka sure. But Kyoanus can pump out some nice shit every now and then I am sure
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Hyouka was definitely their peak. I've tried and dropped a variety of Kyoanus shows, and Hyouka was the only one I could make it most of the way through with. And it's still mediocre and boring.

Kyoanus: boring characters doing boring things.
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>>123971874
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Is there even a sufficient amount of the LN out now to adapt into anime, or is it just getting the Haruhi treatment?
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Name a better studio than Kyoani

Protip: You can't
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>>123971953
I really can't.
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GodAni always finds a way. Fuck off.
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>>123971953
DEEN
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>>123971953
Deen
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>>123971874
>Hyouka was KyoAni's peak
>Hyouka
>KyoAni's peak
Bait harder, faggot.
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>>123971976
>>123971977
Nice hivemind
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>>123971953
Even these guys do better series than the KyoANi of today
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>>123971976
>>123971977
>>123972043
troll studios don't count
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>>123971953
Madhouse
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>>123972090
> implying KyoAni isn't a troll studio
Hahahahahaha- Keep going! Keep going!
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they are getting worse source material but at their actual talents they are better than ever and their sales are perfectly fine. stop trolling.
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>>123971895
>Kyoanus' magnum opus
I'll roll with the Disapperance instead of this cure for insomnia.
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>>123972160
Stills and Manga Panels: The Studio
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>>123971874
Hyouka was HATED when it came out. It was boring when it started out, it continued being boring throughout the show's airing. The only people who liked it here were those who forced themselves to (i.e. diehard KyoAspies).

Hyouka was the start of Kyoto Animation's decline, they were at their best when creating Disappearance and the K-On movie. Maybe that's where they'll end up, making anime movies. When it comes to anime TV shows though, they've bottomed-out.
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>>123972563
the only people who shit on Hyouka are the ones who constantly post the "zzzzzz" meme and apparently have some kind of ADHD syndrome, where they can't concentrate on what's going on in a series if they don't have flashy lights and tits bouncing off the screen every 5 seconds
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The Fresh Prince of Asspulls will save KyoAni.
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>>123972563
>Hyouka was the start of Kyoto Animation's decline
It started when K-ON! got big.
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>>123972640
Where do you even think the zzzzzz "meme" came from? That was the initial and final review of the series for most people. Also, we don't need bouncing tits or flashing lights to pay attention, what we need is good anime. Hyouka was only a pretty anime, but it was mostly vapid and slow and wasn't worth slogging through. Hell, even the main character was a boring piece of shit who never wanted to exert himself. Why would we want to exert the effort of watching the series when the guy who is supposed to lead us through the series can barely get himself up to masturbate in the morning?
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>>123972563
>Hyouka was the start of Kyoto Animation's decline
jej
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I'll admit Hyouka was a bit boring for me in the first arc, but it really picks up after. Great show, interesting mysteries, nice character dynamics, Ibara best girl
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>>123972759
>Also, we don't need bouncing tits or flashing lights to pay attention
Pretty sure most people who watched it all only payed attention to the shipping crap.
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>>123972759
>Hell, even the main character was a boring piece of shit

that's the point of the story though. It's his transformation from his grey life into the rose colored life that is implied in the last episode. It had great character interaction and development, the riddles and mysteries added something to the overused school setting and the show looked absolutely gorgeous. Don't really know how SOL fans could say that it's boring
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>>123971973
This is your typical KyoAnus licker. A meme loving /s4s/ dumbass.
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>>123971953
Shaft.
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>>123972880
Damn right.
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>>123972817
As a result of it being the point of the story, it's really boring to slog through because more often than not he just wants to be in that grey life. As for its visual quality, you're right. It's lovely. But that's KyoAni, that goes without saying. They could animate my college textbooks and make em pretty, but they'd still be boring too.

>>123972814
Those people are in every series.
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>>123971953
Any studio that doesn't constantly make CGDCT bullshit.
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>>123972817
I'm a sol fan.

A sol is only as good as its characters. All the characters are annoying,unlikeable teenagers being pretentious over silly mysteries.
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>>123972975
>CGDCT
>shit

I'll fit u m8
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>>123972993
>All the characters are annoying,unlikeable teenagers being pretentious over silly mysteries.
>pretentious over silly mysteries

what the fuck does that even mean?
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Name a better school festival episode/arc than Hyouka.
You can't.
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>>123973106
Any anime that has no school festival arc.
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>>123971953
Madhouse
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>>123972640
I actually have ADD and I loved Hyouka.
Even if the story got boring the art made up for it.
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>>123971874
>>Hyouka was KyoAni's peak

THat's a damn strange way to spell Full Metal Panic.
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>>123973133
Can't do an anime with school and not have a festival
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>>123973106
Was just about to post this. The only "boring" episodes are after the school festival is finished. But the series ends on a very strong note anyway.
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>>123973156
You're blinded by nostalgia anon
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>>123972266
Nice meme
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>>123972160
>>123972266

SHAFT does it better and they're still shit.
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>>123971953
True I can't.
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>>123972187
Stop posting characters that Kyoani made up, who didn't exist in the source material.
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Dissapearance was their peak but they went downhill fast after Hyouko.
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>>123974405
Hibike is okay. Nowhere near Hyouka or Disappearance-tier, though.

Oh well.
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This faggot author naming his book "The Kotenbu Series".

"I already know I'm gonna do a sequel"

I guess it's a better name than "Hyouka", since the anime kind of blew that load within the first 4 episodes.
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>>123971922
I wonder how can you watch any anime at all with your attention span.
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>>123971874
>Hyouka
Just look at mushishi to see how to do it right.
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>>123971953
JC Staff.
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>>123973023
>what the fuck does that even mean
M E L O D R A M A

There, I've spelled it out for you. Now lrn2comprehension.

Every argument over Hyouka thread I've ever seen starts out with the critics getting accused of being impatient. They point out that they're fine with slow-paced anime: Mushishi, Natsume Yuujinchou, etc.- that it's Hyouka they don't like. They point out that the plot is contrived at every twist, and that it takes itself too seriously as a mystery show. Hyouka defence league then switches gears and starts talking about how great the characterisation is, and that it's not about the plot. The critics argue that the characters are as likeable as mosquitoes: Oreki is a lazy fuck whose character development in its entirety is - [unsympathetic -> barely tolerable]; Chitanda is a moeblob with a grating voice; Fukube is a cardboard cut-out plot advancement tool whose amazing skill is only ever as good as the story requires; Ibara is there for no reason other than to fill in gaps the other walking tropes don't. And they aren't just unlikeable- they're boring the way kids without any outstanding motivations are.
All the while:
> some idiot will try to claim it's not a mystery show
> some other idiot will unironically call Hyouka 'deep'
> half the Hyouka defence league will imply the critics have shit taste only because they're Eurofag or Amerifat or from somewhere nobody cares about
> Hyouka defence league goes full ad hominem when they run out of arguments and it's nothing but shitflinging for a few dozen posts
> at least two of them call other anons 'miserable' for thinking one show in particular shit
> thread tapers off with the critics still never learning that you can't debate away a diehard Hyouka fan's shit taste
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>>123974786
Mushishi albeit slow was never boring.
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>>123975035
>takes itself too seriously
Maybe you take it too seriously.

I really liked it, and I don't think it's more than a gorgeously animated SOL with mundane mysteries thrown in. There's nothing particularly pretentious about it, you just seem mad that it wasn't what you expected it to be.
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>>123975035
>There, I've spelled it out for you
don't really know how you would call mysteries pretentious and melodrama but okay I guess

> They point out that the plot is contrived at every twist
how is it contrived? What twists? Are you talking about the resolution of the mysteries or something?
>and that it takes itself too seriously as a mystery show
again what does this mean? No idea what you are trying to imply here
>The critics argue that the characters are as likeable as mosquitoes: Oreki is a lazy fuck whose character development in its entirety is - [unsympathetic -> barely tolerable]; Chitanda is a moeblob with a grating voice; Fukube is a cardboard cut-out plot advancement tool whose amazing skill is only ever as good as the story requires; Ibara is there for no reason other than to fill in gaps the other walking tropes don't.
They're a group of friends in a SOL anime. No idea what exactly you are expecting here, but I personally found the characters to be a lot of fun and you could really see that they changed at the end of the series
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>>123975183
☑ "you're the one taking it too seriously"
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Kyoani is just a waste of talented animators and money
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>>123975360
Artistically - yes, but not from a business perspective, and that's why things are going to stay the way they are.
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>>123975129
Excatly, it might of been better if they had mystery of the week.
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>>123975565
<<<<<< /a/utism right here
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>>123975035
>plot is contrived at every twist, and that it takes itself too seriously as a mystery show
Name a few examples, or express yourself clearly.
>critics argue that the characters are as likeable as mosquitoess: Oreki is a lazy fuck whose character development in its entirety is - [unsympathetic -> barely tolerable]; Chitanda is a moeblob with a grating voice; Fukube is a cardboard cut-out plot advancement tool whose amazing skill is only ever as good as the story requires; Ibara is there for no reason other than to fill in gaps the other walking tropes don't
I could just as easily make a laudatory description of each, or take your favourite series and describe the characters in the same manner you did. All you're doing here crying that it didn't appeal to your taste.
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>>123972563
I watched Hyouka before I even knew what Kyoani or 4chan was, and I had only seen about 30 animes at the time (mostly battle shonen) it was just some random anime i found on an anime app on my phone and I still enjoyed it, in fact i finished it in one fucking sitting. The only kyoanime I didn't enjoy was chuunibyo s2, and right now my opinion is the most objective one in this thread.
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>>123972563
You'd be right if you said it was controversial from the start, with some loving it and some complaining from day one that they were falling asleep.
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>>123974720

>thought one studio's works were boring
>"lolol adhd adhd muh addies"

I read novels (and write them) just fine. Kyoanus is a terrible studio because noplot and nothing happens. It's like watching paint dry, while a faction of /a/ faps over differences in the rate of drying on different square inches of the wall and keeps chanting "BEST STUDIO SAVED ANIME KYOANI GODS."

Their stories are poorly paced, boring moeshit with no substance. There's simply no reason to watch contrite, shiny piles of shit like Kyoanus puts out.

Even the mysteries in Hyouka were meaningless, shallow, and boring. I dropped it at onsen episode. I only watched for Oreki.

Go read Sherlock Holmes and understand why Hyouka is a shallow, muted, and sterile ripoff that isn't worth anyone's time.
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>There are 4 Kyoani bashing threads going on right now
Is it just that time of the month for you guys?
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>>123976025
That's okay if you didn't like it, anon. I forgive you.
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>>123976025
If you live an unfulfilling life, watching cute characters have fun interactions with eachother makes it feel less unfulfilling.
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>>123975734
>implying I want to argue with you when the point of my post is 'arguing with Hyouka fans is pointless'
You're welcome to sing praises for the characterisation. I never say 'no' to a good laugh.

And remember: the wordier the better.
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>>123976025
>I watch animes for the plot.
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>>123976025
>Go read Sherlock Holmes and understand why Hyouka is a shallow, muted, and sterile ripoff that isn't worth anyone's time.
Did you seriously expect a kid's show to have the same level depth as stuff like Holmes or Poirot?
I think this is the wrong medium for you.
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>>123976391
level of depth*
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>>123976391
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>>123971874
Hyouka was shit as far as story, characters, and plot are concerned.
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>>123976391
>Did you seriously expect a kid's show to have the same level depth as stuff like Holmes or Poirot?
You would if you were listening to the plebei/a/ns who wax lyrical about the fathomless, nuanced character development in this "gem" of a show.
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>>123971874
Hyouka was great as far as story, characters, and plot are concerned.
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>>123976293
You sure found a way to feel smart while running away from the slightest inquiry. I'm impressed, mister.

>>123976391
What's laughable is that he seems to think of Sherlock Holmes as a deep work of literature. Just what you'd expect from someone who "writes novels".
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>>123976025
>Hyouka was the only one I could make it most of the way through with.
>I dropped it at onsen episode
That was episode 7. The show's 22 episodes long.
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I liked Hyouka. Too bad s2 never
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>>123976552
because good character development=good mystery right? How retarded can you get?
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>>123976577
What do you consider a deep work of literature?
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I always said they'll never top Hyouka, Not because Kyoani have fell off or shit its because Hyouka is top top fucking quality

Euphonium looks pretty fucking good though.
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>>123976470
>>123976554
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>>123976554
Characters were fine, except for Chitanda, who never really gets a character of her own and mostly just exists to motivate Oreki.
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>Sherlock
>3deep literature

Pick one
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>>123976682
I want to cum on her hair
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>>123976577
>Here's why arguing with Hyouka fags is pointless.
>"Argue with me"
>No. What did I just say?
>"I bet you think you're smart- running away like that, Mister!"
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Ibara was the best girl because she actually felt like a human being. Chitanda was moeblob.
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>>123976665
What every English teacher told you was good literature. Start with the Greeks.

>>123976745
I don't really care to argue, I'm just making of you.
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>>123976704
I agree with you 100%.
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>>123976682
Finally I agree with you on something
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>>123976779
making fun*
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>>123972759
I don't even get mad when people say this, I just feel bad that there not smart enough to follow anything that isn't an LN battle harem.
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>>123976745
Well you basically didn't follow your advice and started arguing with Hyoukafags.

Although I completely agree with you.
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>>123976665
Middlemarch

A true masterpiece.
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>>123976635
Holy shit- we've come full circle. My sides are aching something fierce.
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>>123976877
the picture doesn't have anything to do with what I just said. Seriously, how retarded are you?
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>>123976577
>comparing anime with literature
>comparing television with books
>comparing a recent Japanese fuffy fun and cute anime to a work from one of the best mystery writers of all time

Why are you here?
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>>123976922
Hyouka is literature.
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>>123976865
>written by a cunt

Sure, dear. Now drink some tea and go to the bed
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WHatever you think about Hyouka or KyoAni, you must concede that ending 2 was a true masterpiece and must not be skipped, never

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BogtGNnA-9k
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>>123976957
>>>/pol/
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>>123972563
Absolutely wrong, though being a Tripfag I guess that's normal for you
Anytime a new show comes out, particularly by a noteworthy studio, it gets picked up by a lot of people. Hyouka is slow paced, I watched the first episode and then dropped it for 5 months. When I picked it up again I finished the entire thing in two sittings and wished there was more.

The threads that were around at the time were full of people who loved it and vocal groups who were constantly picking it up halfway through and dropping it, being sure to meme their way out the door. There was never a consensus on whether it was good or not, and given time to look back, it's actually looked at pretty favourably on /a/ which is saying a lot.
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>>123976922
Are you retarded? I like Hyouka. I'm making fun of this guy for thinking mystery novels are deep literature.

Hyouka isn't deep either, before someone goes for my throat.
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>>123976682
>Euphonium looks pretty fucking good though.
I just hope it ends up being remotely as good as it visually looks.
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>>123971874
Hyouka was boring, chuuni was at least fun.
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>>123976295
The average KyoAnus fag.

I am fine with moe. I like moe. But I don't like watching normal girls doing normal stuff without any comedy in my Taiwanese stop-motion. If you only watch it for the cute girls better use your time searching for fanart.
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>>123977019
> starting an animu halfway through when the preceding episodes are just as easy to get
In what universe do you think this happens?
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>>123977134
S1 was okay
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>>123976665
Hyouka
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>>123977002
I don't like it. Having a bunch of mystery novel titles scrolling in the background is just a lazy way to suggest the theme. The song is bland too
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>>123971874
Hyouka was shit though. It was mediocre at best.
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>>123973106
>asspull festival
>good
Anon please.
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>>123976391

Sherlock Holmes isn't even deep. It's pretty much pop fiction from yesteryear. That's what I'm saying, even compared to popular pleb fiction, kyoanus is still a thousand times worse.

>depth

Need I list some 10/10 anime for you? Anime has plenty of potential if the writers aren't jacking off with one hand while doodling cute girls flopping around with the other.

>>123976577

I used SH because Oreki is a ripoff of it.
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>>123976704
>Chitanda
I am one of those Hyoukafags who will wax lyrical about how great the show is but like anything it's not without its faults and Chitanda was one of them.

Her character gets expanded on a lot in the last episode through tons of implications, but I still always thought she was a little too perfect. All the other MCs were flawed and screwed up in a lot of real ways, but Chitanda never had any problems, nor does she really change or learn much of anything over the course of the series.
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>>123976665
Mein Kampf
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>>123971874
Hyouka was boring as fuck. "Peak" my ass. Kyoani's only just recently hit their stride, pic related.
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>>123977306
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>>123977306
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>>123976595

Felt like much longer. Could have sworn that much was 18 or 20 episodes. Thanks for highlighting my point for me.
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>>123977321
Haters gonna hate, but which one of us is going to get a movie? Here's a hint: it's not fucking Hyouka.
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>>123977285
Name five 10/10s that aren't adapted from novels.
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>>123977302
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>>123972563
>>123972563
tripfag with shit opinion

color me suprised
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>>123977342
Your point that you're too stupid to count?
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>>123972848
>2015
>hating on memes

Don't cut yourself on that edge.
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K-ON and Nichijou were pretty good. Chuunikoi was okay. Hyouka and Amaburi were rather lacking. Free was fujoshit. Euphonium has a shoujo-shit vibe to it, it's probably going to be rather crappy too.
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>>123977404
Tamako Market wasn't even worth mentioning.

And the days of Haruhi are long gone.
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>>123977362
REKT
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>>123977404
>K-ON and Nichijou were pretty good.
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>>123977404
Don't know what you're on about. Euphonium looks like it's going to be one of their best.
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>>123977460
If you're not a subhuman, then you should agree.
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>>123971874
KyoAni's magnum opus was Lucky Star.
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>>123977502
Its premise is overdone and characters look generic
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>>123977502
>Euphonium looks like it's going to be one of their best.
The art isn't that charming. I could deal with that, but what's more upsetting is that the mood seems to be rather tense and unrelaxed. Unnecessary drama is already brewing. It has a certain shoujo shit stench to it.
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>>123977562
>It has a certain shoujo shit stench to it.

A female lead isn't automatically shoujo
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>>123977514
If you think this shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5bOJT_HtUI is funny, then you are the subhuman one.
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>>123977306
> scraping by through fujoshit-pandering and big franchise sequels
> become so unremarkable a studio that rustling their moeblob-loving fanbase's jimmies is their biggest achievement for the last seven years
> 'just hit their stride'
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>>123977562
it feels more like a sports anime, because it has the ambition/motivation themes already heavily prevalent.
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>>123977605
Not in a good way though, e.g. like Bamboo Blade or Girls und Panzer did, but more like Suzuka, with lots of character drama that ruins the mood.
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>>123977605
I agree with this, and this is exactly why I think it'll be good.
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>>123977531
>Its premise is overdone and characters look generic
Wait, which KyoAni series were we talking about again?
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>>123977352
Urusei Yatsura
Texhnolyze
Mushishi
Utena
Tsuiokuhen
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>>123977681
That's not even a pun, Carlos.
>>
Euphonium is fantastic. Another season, another KyoAni masterpiece.
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OFFICIAL KYOANI POWER RANKINGS
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>>123977803
Those rankings are as expected of KyoAni fans
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>>123977681
Certainly not Hyouka . Shit was innovative as fuck
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>>123977803
1. Haruhi
2. Hyouka
3. Nichijou
4. K-On!
5. Fumoffu

Everything else is shit.
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>>123971953
SHAFT
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>>123977652
I already like it a lot. Kumiko isn't sure whether she wants to go through with committing her school life to the pursuit of success in this field. She doesn't know if she can be like Reina and invest so heavily into it. But then she listens to the recording of them playing at the concours and can't help but to be moved by it. It's romantic. I hope the doesn't get too bogged down in comedic relief and cutesy antics and maintains a minimum level of passion and guts.
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>>123977112
Probably scales on how they handle the drama.
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>>123977652
Ruins the mood? You understand character drama is the exact mood most sports anime are going for right? Those shows go for a more casual approach regarding the "sports" part and don't feel exactly like sports anime.
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>>123977803
1.Clannad AS
2.Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya
3.Hyouka
4.K-on Movie
5.Nichijou
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Posting in troll thread.
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>>123977803
1.Nichijou
2.Hyouka
3.Disappearance
4.Free!
5.Haruhi
6.Amaburi
7.Knk
8.Tamako Market
9.K-On
10.Chuu2
11.Lucky Star
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Lucky Star was KyoAni's peak
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K-On! was KyoAni's peak
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Hibike! Euphonium is KyoAni's peak
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>>123979974
>Fedorke! Euphorium
>peak
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Nichijou, Amagi, and maybe ufo are all better than Hyouka. Hyouka is an overrated piece of shit.
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>>123971953
no studio can't possible be better than Kyoani.
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>>123977803
1. amagi
2. hyouka
3. disappearance
4. kyoukai no kanata
5. free
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>>123977691
Jesus, you must be joking.
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>>123971874
But Tamako love story is kyoani's peak, it would be hard to top that.
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>>123976025
>I read novels (and write them) just fine
>Kyoanus
>moeshit
>Go read Sherlock Holmes

5/10 made me reply. Now back to /s4s/, /v/ or any shithole you came from
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>>123980318
>/s4s/
>shithole
rude
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For fuck sake guys nothing can top K-on
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>>123980363
Except Hibike! Euphonium
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>>123980590
Fucking lol
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Disappearance was their peak.

It's all been downhill since KyoAni, Kodansha and Tanigawa got into a Mexican Jew-off over the Haruhi money.
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>>123981215
>Kodansha

I meant Kadokawa, sorry.
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I just finally made sense of the ending of Hyouka, I had never thought of it this way before, but as Oreki becomes more engaged in life and stops trying to live a boring life thanks to Chitanda's efforts, he realises he can't fall in love with her because life with Chitanda would be unsatisfying to him now.
Suddenly it all makes sense. ;_;
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>>123983173
This is weak bait. Almost as weak as the "Mayaka loves Oreki" bait.
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>>123983173
That made no sense.
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>>123983341
that would've been great though. She deserved better than that shithead satoshi
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>>123983462
>it would be great if a series that's literally about character development ignored the development to cater to my shipping fantasies
No.
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>>123983528
yes
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>>123983577
Write all the fanfic you want, it's not happening.
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This attention span thing is certainly real considering that some people already said that Euphonium was boring. I actually feel really bad that there are so many people on /a/ that can't watch something slower paced for 20 minutes without calling it boring. And Euph. wasn't even slow.
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>>123983908
There are people who have trouble following anything other than haremshit tier straightforward exposition and dialog.

These things shouldn't be a surprise anymore.
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Why does /a/ tend to over-rate Hyouka so much? I mean I enjoyed it, but it's definitely not peak Kyoani.
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>>123977803

Swap K-on with tamako market and Lucky Star with Free!
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>>123984280
You can't over rate perfection, anon.
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>>123984280
It perfectly appeals to the taste of people with a specific temperament, if I had to take a guess. It's probably the same reason there's a lot of posters so vocal about their dislike of it.
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>>123984280
People have different opinions, champ.

I hate the kind of opinions that just pussyfoot around praising what they like by putting some dumb disclaimer like "Yeah, it's not THE BEST" or "It's not deep at all," just because they don't want hipsters to reply and argue that they're overrating something they really like.

People with negative opinions tend to be WAY more vocal than positive opinions anyway. This board just wallows in negativity most of the time and become upset if anything positive disrupts that comfortable hivemind.
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