-Who do you like better?
-Who would you rather spend a night of sex with?
-Who has better harem?
-Who is better written?
-Who would win in a fight?
Shiki with his brain exploding five seconds later.
>-Who do you like better?
>-Who would you rather spend a night of sex with?
>-Who has better harem?
Arc>Sakura, so Shiki.
>-Who is better written?
>-Who would win in a fight?
Shirou as an adult, otherwise Shiki.
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Someone who already started adding Fate girls to his harem
He will "cure" here from being a whore with his dick
Does Shiki SAVE EVERYONE?
I didn't fucking think so.
Shirou couldn't save Ilya.
I will never forgive him.
He saves her in Fate Route.
He just doesn't fuck her.
>Shirou doesn't save Ilya
>Ilya saves Shirou
Ilya best onee-chan
She only lives like a year or two after that though. She deserves to live forever.
>Who do you like better?
>Who would you rather spend a night of sex with?
Shiki looks like he would share
>Who has better harem?
>Who is better written?
>Who would win in a fight?
But Shiki's harem is shit.
This is a Christian image board and Christians believe in monogamy, Yusuf. Marriage with a daughteru > harem
We can't save everyone.
Because the game didn't let us.
Kokutou best and most French-sounding boy to be with. I love watching these two together while I am more interested in watching Shirou deal with his own insanity rather than who he dicks. Tohno isn't worth going into.
What sort of miracle Shiki pulls out to save Sacchin in her route?
That shirt kinda iconic though.
>You will never have maids that will do bad Gundam cosplay for you
Mikiya please go.
It's not like they have anything against each other. Outside their storylines they're fairly normal people.
She just looks so cute in a turtleneck.
Why is there only one scene with her like that?
Whatever, it's a miracle of the universe. Turtlenecks really make everything better.
Hey, Saber might be a jobber, but she is still a time-travelling King Arthur. I think he deserves to be called a monster too.
Also, it's arguable if she is weaker than Shiki. Saber would probably win a straight fight between them.
Shiki (he doesn't really use chauvinist reasoning to protect women)
Shiki (because he pulls in a lot of women just by talking)
Shiki (Arcueid and Sion)
Shiki (doesn't have to rely on battle shonen character development bullshit)
Shiki (Nasu said so)
Actually, she isn't. People that do that ship don't even make sense. The two MCs are the polar opposites of each other in terms of inside and outside. How Ciel can fall for anyone else other than Shiki really makes no sense.
Nasu was talking about how he hated making Shirou act that way in the Fate simply because he couldn't get over genderswapping Saber. In his mind at the time, Saber was still a man; so, he regrets not knowing how to write the situation better. Shirou doesn't show that kind of sexism in either UBW or HF.
Isn't he like the opposite of possessed, really?
I mean, he specifically comes from a clan of demon hunters.
Yeah, sure, he has a few screws loose, but it's not like Caren deals with that. She only deals with demons.
And his supernatural powers pretty much come from the same source as Caren - it's psychic powers, not demonic powers.
I've always wanted that to happen; however, it feels like only UBW Shirou would do seeing as he's still traveling the world to be a hero. HF Shirou stays at the home for the most part, and he doesn't to have a reason to train his reality marble at all.
Shiki wins easily. He's an actual superhuman, and he has the Queen of Type Moon in his harem.
At the end of HF Rin does mention that with training Shirou should be able to Master his RM in a few years.
I got the impression that the only relatively vanilla Shirou is Fate Shirou.
I know the quote, it's the fantranslation in the wikia. It doesn't make what I said any less true, powerlevels are dumb and you should always take characters at their peak level.
I have always wondered how overpowered Shiki can become if he uses his above average magus potential and reinforces his already OP self.
Also, yeah, that queen has everything.
If you've actually read his feats and fights, and you remember the powerlevel scales of who he defeats, he's actually monstrous already. As one poster before me posted, he can run as fast as Usain Bolt for 15 straight minutes. With no prior training for running in the past 8 years. Aside from having a huge dick the size of Kohaku's arm, I'm pretty sure that Shiki's Japanese and not a Westerner. He's a 5'7" Japanese guy.
He has lifeforce getting drained out of him and he's still a stamina beast.
>doubting Shirou "The Jackhammer" Emiya
>thinking Shirou wasn't just using that as an excuse to try and deal with how useless he was in the situation
kid couldn't accept that he was powerless to fight and die for justice and that was the only lame excuse he could come up with why he should be allowed to throw his life away
>I would have dropped the VN right at the end of the last route, after having read and enjoyed it thoroughly until that moment.
Wow, what a loss that would be. You wouldn't have read, like the 15 remaining minutes.
Yes, there is always a chance for Shiki speed blitz.
>we will never get an Ayako route
Why Nasu, why?
Why did Gilgamesh need this fuckhead as a Master? Isn't he already bound to the material world via Grail majutsu?
Also if he just needed a vessel for the magic cup, he surely could have used any random hobo off the streets.
>Shiki not speedblitzing someone that is 4x slower/less powerful than Arcueid
Except that Shirou did. Because he's a hero.
That's why I thought Shirou was unbearable. He is just flat out stupid.
At least in HF he ditches the stupid ideals and strives to save his waifu and little/big sister.
You aren't recalling correctly. Also, servants speed changes every other fight.
Gilgamesh is the biggest fucking jobber in the TM universe, so yes. Loses to Saber, loses to Shirou, loses to Sakura. And in all those occasions, it is because he goes goes easy.
Well, technically Shirou did exactly that in their fight.
Though Shiki has no UBW but he does have MEoDP which he can use to kill the treasures if needed.
I do wonder if the result of the fight will be the same as the fight with Shirou or better or worse, though.
>Isn't he already bound to the material world via Grail majutsu?
Not really, no.
Unless you can explain the almost-dead-but-not-quite-dead orphans some other way. Been a while since I read that part.
Then post proof that he did.
>MEoDP which he can use to kill the treasures if needed.
I'm pretty sure that if Shiki's blade comes into contact with stuff from GoB that detonates on contact it will not go really well. There is also the chance that Gil would recognize MEoDP
>. Something that Shiki never did.
Dead Apostles move faster than bullets.
Nero went full power and became faster than Arcueid. He is a Dead Apostle Ancestor.
Unless you are telling me that Arcueid is slower than a bullet, yeah, Shiki broke the sound barrier. It just didn't need to say it.
>Dark Berserker was slower than the sound barrier and still almost won
I thought he used them for mana. His Master doesn't necessarily need to provide it for him. All they are used for is keeping the Servants bound to the material world. Hence why normal people like Kuzuki and Ryuunosuke were just fine for the Caster class, which can easily get its mana from other sources.
That's not an explosion. That's like Nero punching a wall. It causes a release of kinetic energy once contact is made. Shiki's knife basically nullifies that shit after cutting it like with Nero's punches.
Well half-vampire Shiki most likely can. He menage to land few hits on freaking berserk Arc
>Disappear, you vampire
>Don't fool around, I won't die with such a thing!
>Her hands grab my head. But faster than Arcueid's hands trying to squeeze my head, I slice my knife down to her thigh.
I don't think Gil actually detonates anything from GoB on contact. Archer does that; Gil doesn't.
Or maybe I don't understand something.
There is a possibility he would recognise MEoDP, but it's still no guarantee he would treat him seriously, and even if he does, Shiki could try speed-blitzing him anyway.
Though him recognising MEoDP is probably the biggest problem of Shiki. If he actually fights half-seriously, then Shiki loses.
Nasu doesn't think so, since he says that Shiki can only fight people on Melty Blood because of game mechanics.
He simply can send out invisible swords or swords that freeze on contact. Also do you really think that from all that shit Gil has in his vault he doesn't have stuff that explodes? Really?
I think the impact of touching a flying weapon with another weapon would be sufficient to disarm shiki.
He would have to hit it perfectly, and he would need to kill a shitton of them very quickly, without being even a hair off the mark, which would strain him.
Also, I'd wager that EA has no concept of death.
>Still, the destructive power was enormous. The road surface was blown up like it was hit with an explosive blast, and the scene was shrouded by the dust of the asphalt pulverized into particles.
No. Nasu says that the Shiki on Melty Blood is Shiki always on trump card form. The normal Shiki is brainwashed into thinking he's normal. Once he's trump card mental state, even DAAs can't touch him. Arcueid, 4x a Servant on 30%, dies and gets cut into 17 slabs of meat in a moment and before he even finishes his step.
>He simply can send out invisible swords or swords that freeze on contact. Also do you really think that from all that shit Gil has in his vault he doesn't have stuff that explodes? Really?
Yes. Gilgamesh will just use anything and everything from his GoB to kill a guy who uses a fruit knife and has no real aura emanating from him.
Do you even know what Shiki's original eyes does? Of course you don't.
Well, yeah but these ARE MEoDP.
It really depends on whether Gil consider one-hit kill eyes a serious challenge or not. If anything, they're really rare, so he might actually go half-serious in this case, just because of how much of a treasure they are.
>Yes. Gilgamesh will just use anything and everything from his GoB to kill a guy who uses a fruit knife and has no real aura emanating from him.
That's really just random shit that has in the vault, they aren't even named
>Do you even know what Shiki's original eyes does? Of course you don't.
You know that Gil easily sees through magecraft, right? He should be able to recognize MEoDP.
>I think the impact of touching a flying weapon with another weapon would be sufficient to disarm shiki.
Again, that's the same shit with Nero's punches. Shiki's knife goes through the line, therefore nullifying ALL kinetic force. He is literally going through the conceptual weakness of his target, which is like him cutting through the air. No kinetic energy is going to transfer to him.
It's like somebody throwing two slabs of steak at you and you cut right in between the two slabs of steak. No energy is transferred to you.
>He would have to hit it perfectly, and he would need to kill a shitton of them very quickly, without being even a hair off the mark, which would strain him.
Nasu has already said this is no problem for Shiki. It doesn't matter how many shit you throw at him. Shiki kills 50 of Nero's beasts in a single moment.
Nero had a substantial amount of kinetic energy. It's a superpowered DAA punch from an object that needs to be destroyed by something with the power of a continent buster.
Not him; I think by "original eyes" he meant that Shiki originally had Pure Eyes, and MEoDP are really just a permutation of these. That is, the eyes that can see invisible things.
Case in comparison.
Satsuki is not a DAA. She is merely a DA.
Her single punch can cause small craters in concrete. There is no focusing of 500 beasts or anything. That's just simple DA power.
Nero is a DAA.
>Nasu doesn't think so, since he says that Shiki can only fight people on Melty Blood because of game mechanics.
He didn't say anything like that. I assume you talking about that thing from fuyuki wiki but source for this was his comment from MB manga vol 1. He's not talking about MB (game) story
>You know that Gil easily sees through magecraft, right? He should be able to recognize MEoDP.
MEoDP is not magecraft. Shiki's eyes are not magecraft either. They are psychic powers. And there is a distinction with these to magecraft. Shiki's jougan (his eyes before he obtained MEoDP) can see shit that cannot be seen.
It's why he's a complete counter against Akiha.
>Sacchin Punch can break concrete
>Sacchin Punch can throw Shiki several distance away
>Sacchin Punch is literally an overpowered sledgehammer
>Shiki doesn't get obliterated by Sacchin Punches
I don't even...
>Nasu has already said this is no problem for Shiki. It doesn't matter how many shit you throw at him. Shiki kills 50 of Nero's beasts in a single moment.
That were literally thrown in front of him. How can he deal with an attack that comes from every direction?
Not exactly what I meant, I know that MEoDP is not magecraft. But Gil could analyze Shirou's magecraft pretty easily, it wouldn't surprise me if he manages to detect an abnormal power from Shiki
>That were literally thrown in front of him. How can he deal with an attack that comes from every direction?
No. Wrong. Shiki's 50 beasts moment happened when they were all literally on top of Shiki coming from every direction, gnawing on him, biting, ripping off his flesh. He literally kills them in a moment. All 50. That were literally on top of him.
That's far faster than the GoB projectiles you are talking about because they are already on Shiki's body.
ALSO, Nasu has already said that GoB can ONLY be fired from one direction. And when Gilgamesh moves, he cannot attack with GoB. This is in the comparison of F/P Gilgamesh with FSN Gilgamesh in the Prototype Material.
Shiki's abnormality shows no real threat. Even Arcueid, a being that can access information from the planet willy nilly even though she's only been really awake for a grand-total of 1 year, could not detect it until it hit her the first time.
Arcueid somehow knew about these. I wonder where from, since it implies these eyes appeared somewhere before.
Really, this all probably depends on whether or not the Eyes actually existed in Gil's time. On one hand, psychic powers are specifically something that is of human origin, and Gilgamesh has a kind of a theme about having and knowing about everything that has a human origin. On the other hand. I have a hard time believeing MEoDP had a prototype, and if they just plain didn't exist when he lived, there's no way he would know about them. The most he would get out of it is that Shiki is really weird, probably. That is assuming MEoDP didn't first appear in Uruk, which is certainly possible.
Well, that is if we follow internal logic of the Nasuverse.
If we asked Nasu, I bet he would answer that Gilgamesh would be able to recognise MEoDP, because that's kind of the character he's writing. The one who basically knows everything about everything, even if he has no reason to.
>ALSO, Nasu has already said that GoB can ONLY be fired from one direction. And when Gilgamesh moves, he cannot attack with GoB. This is in the comparison of F/P Gilgamesh with FSN Gilgamesh in the Prototype Material.
>Arcueid somehow knew about these. I wonder where from, since it implies these eyes appeared somewhere before.
Balor of the Evil Eye was first owner of MEoDP. Touko mention that in KnK
Whatever that scene described, Nasu already explained as different from what is actually happening. You might think it's coming from everywhere, but Nasu, NASU, has said that FSN Gil's GoB has distinct limits.
It can only fire 10 weapons at a time (you can obviously fire another 10 after that).
It cannot fire when Gilgamesh is moving himself (but it works if he's simply sitting down on Vimana).
It can only fire in one direction, and it has to be aimed to fire in another direction.
I'm disgusted that he didn't play with those funbags more in the anime.
Meh on both
>I literally can't find what you are talking about,
Just Nasu explaining how different the original Gilgamesh was to the Gilgamesh now. The Gilgamesh from before was more overpowered than the goldie we have now. FP Gil can fire as many NPs as he wants, can do it while moving, and from any direction.
Weapons being ready to fire doesn't mean that they're all firing at the same time. They go in increments of 10.
>Weapons being ready to fire doesn't mean that they're all firing at the same time. They go in increments of 10.
And even if it looks like it's being fired at the same time, they're not. It's like with guns.
You can rapid-fire a gun. It's still 1 bullet at a time that comes out of the gun. Unless it's one of those specialized multiple barrel shits.
I'm not going to trust you on that. Looking at the Japanese wiki, they describe Bab-ilu as basically the same but slightly weaker. Not the most trust worthy source, but still better than "a thing I saw that totally exists,"
One thing is certain - Shiki can only DREAM of having Shirou's memetic powers.
Why would they fight ?
They seems chill together on CP.
I didn't watch CP yet, but I remember Nasu saying they wouldn't probably like each other much if they actually met.
They are pretty much polar opposites, really. In every single way - from powers and their sources down to their very personalities.
Doesn't necessarily mean they would hate each other but would probably be Archer vs Shirou #2 in dynamic, only without intention to murder being quite as strong.
This is what I've found, but I bet that in the next UBW episode we will see. The rest of the translation should be on the Beast's Lair, but I'm too lazy to check it out
>Key of the King's Law, Bab-ilu (God's Gate?)
>-the real Noble Phantasm is a tattoo which proves (Gilgamesh's) Kingship.
>-it functions identically with Gate of Babylon, firing out weapons like a machine gun.
>-it opens in a circular pattern around Gilgamesh, firing weapons.
>-it is different from Gate of Babylon in that, it can be activated and employed while Gilgamesh is moving.
Source: Fate Prototype Material.
That reminds me of how much of an asspull Shirou's power is.
Especially the bit where he downloads information from the swords he projects.
Literally an asspull just so he wouldn't be a retard with two sharp objects.
That's just from very early Prototype summaries. It's nothing official.
Having never heard anything like that mentioned before, I don't think you're remembering whatever you saw correctly.
>implying Shiki's harem would sleep with an emofaggot trying to kill himself because he can't stand his own face
Shirou is already Shiki's polar opposite, Archer is even more Shiki's polar opposite.
And Servants can't impreg or get preggers. It's how their blood isn't actually blood.
Wouldn't that be Shirou's genes in the first place? Shiki bails, his harem is now Shirou's problem, Shiki's harem kills everyone in Shirou's harem that tries to get close to him while Shiki finally gets a break.
The only servants that can impregnate women are Avenger and HomuSieg. SHIROU and Gil are questionable if they can impregnate bitches.
Jeanne is the only female servant that can get preggers.
He has placed weapons in odd firing positions in Fate/Zero and CCC. He also has been stated to ready more than 10 weapons at a time. There is no information to suggest it has limits.
I wouldn't really care, honestly.
Wait, did Nasu ever confirm it somewhere? Did he at one point decide to start talking about who of the Servants shoots blanks and who doesn't?
Or did we get the confirmation somewhere in CCC, or something?
I don't think Avalon is an asspull at all. Shirou had to have it to summon Saber and it fits in the story pretty well. Learning how to fight just because you made a
almostperfect copy of a weapon is a complete asspull and it feels like it's there just so he can go toe to toe with Archer and Gilgamesh and not get immediately demolished by Kuzuki. I don't mind if it's simply using it's special ability like that shield or Excalibur, but the whole download thing sparks my autism. At least in HF he can download that information straight from Archer's arm which he does, doesn't he? I don't remember
Poor Ilya. She wants the Oniichan-coq so badly.
>having an actual armdick
How can people live that way? A seven inch cock already has problems when trying to use the restroom, like it flopping on the fucking toilet bowl which is dirty as fuck, just how?
For Archer's fight, from what I remember Archer was so weakened that he couldn't go on the offensive against Shirou. It was more-so an ideological battle though.
Gil's fight was pretty retarded with Gil being a completely broken servant and losing because "he didn't take it seriously". Even then, Shirou was countering Gil's swords with ease with a spell he learned a day or two before that.
Gawain is the best Saber, nobody comes close.
>feeding your girlfriend instant noodles
She's a 19 year old technically.
No idea how that works in an unaging homunculus body, but there was supposd to be a sex scene with her, so supposedly she did hit puberty eventually.
The fight with Gil can be somewhat explained. For one, Rin gave Shirou plenty of Prana after their H-scene. Shirou has more Prana here than he ever previously did. Also Archer was watching by and shielding Shirou with Rio Aias too. It was never a Shirou vs Gil 1v1. It was much closer to a Shirou + Rin's Prana + Archer covering vs Gil.
>Also Archer was watching by and shielding Shirou with Rio Aias too.
He was? I didn't know that. I knew he finished off Gil but I didn't know he was shielding Shirou too. I know I'm being autistic about the whole fight, it just felt underwhelming to be the "final boss" fight, especially compared to HF's Sakura vs Rin and Kotomine vs Shirou. I could be biased since I don't like Shirou at all though.
Wasnt there some nasu answer about who in the type-moon universe could go against a servant, he even made the distinction of saying that servants even had to ne some weak for humans to go against them
punctuation that originally was used to indicate the omission of words from a sentence or phrase
think "if you have to ask..."
now, with the rise of written language as a means of regular conversation and not just essays or letters, it is shorthand to denote incredulity
some people don't like that usage
Shiki is nice, but he's not very 'human'. He's a person who's already died and is aware of how fragile his existence is. Sacchin talks about it, how he's different.
Saber, for all her power and weird ancestry, is pretty human.
Of course - she is the princess of the moon after all
Nanaya mode is not "mostly for demons".
Nanaya mode is simply his survival impulse showing up, temporarily overriding Makihisa's brainwashing. He is not a normal human, but Makihisa fucked Shiki's logic into thinking he's one.
Because he's firing nigh indestructible superweapons at high speeds. If I had a car cannon and shot minivans and shit at the road, it would tear the road the same if I launched a bomb at it. It's easiest to see in the Berserker fights. Gil's projectiles stick in Berserker's body and stay intact after the fights so he can recollect them. Emiya's break because he compensates for the rank down weakness UBW imposes by making his projections into volatile nukes that can destroy anything. Gil wouldn't blow his treasures up. Even when he considers his weapons sullied for having touched Caster's monstrosity, he never even considers the possibility of using his trashed weapons as Broken Phantasms.
No. She loses in a fight to her older sister, who has a pet dog that is as strong as the personification of the planet Mercury's might. Or it might be Altrouge who is as strong as ORT, I forget.
I like the one he drew for AACC, too.
No. ORT is.
If we're talking on a purely terrestrial level, no illegal aliens allowed, then, as far as the pure numbers go, Arcueid would be the strongest. However, she has an elemental disadvantage against Gilgamesh.
When will they draw her sex scene with Shriou?
>Yes, there is always a chance for Shiki speed blitz.
>Well, technically Shirou did exactly that in their fight.
>Though Shiki has no UBW but he does have MEoDP which he can use to kill the treasures if needed.
Shiki is actually weak as shit. Maybe 3rd Ryougi can.
She can actually pull off most of the BS you guys think Tshiki can do.
At least she got the snuggle
replying to people with things in support of a post is an upvote
sage used to be a downvote, but visisble downvoting was removed due to /a/buse.
Now we post-with-not-a-lot-of-effort-if-you-catch-my-drift to downvote. take a seat kid.
Shirou's abilities are such bullshit.
>they get around it by saying memories are actually stored in the soul, an infinite thing that exists outside of the physical universe.
When you stop touching yourself at night
Reminder that every time Gil does this, he opens up several Gate of Babylon portals in different places and at different angles.
What lucky guy Shiki is, even if he's supposedly going to die early, he lived to the fullest his best years.
He was blindfolded in Talk., which was supposedly a short story linking to the non-existent "Tsukihime II".
A year after the events of Tsukihime, Shiki's eyes apparently advance so far that even the Mystic Eye Killers are no longer able to block out the Lines of Death. As a result, he blindfolds himself in order to keep from seeing them.
Tsukihime 2. And don't tell me you haven't read Prelude and Talk.
>A year after the events of Arc True
FTFY. Also. remember that Melty Blood, the first one, is about nine months after a different Tsukihime ending, and Shiki's eyes are nowhere NEAR as bad.
I dunno, man. Nasu wrote two short stories leading up to it. Even Type-Moon, who puts an absurd amount of effort into April Fool's jokes, wouldn't make two stories leading up to something he has absolutely zero plans to follow through with. And don't forget how Strange Fake was supposed to be a joke, but is now being expanded into an actual thing.
Or Satsuki's route.
Well in MB he's chilling in the city. In Tsukihime 2 he's traveling around the world doing high level quest and shit
Strange Fake wasn't written by him.
And I don't think Nasu's so lenient as to let someone else write about the details concerning the Ayesbury Ritual or the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostle Ancestors. People making up Servants is one thing, but this is HIS shit.
And all he did was write two short stories, and it's been over ten years since he first joked about Tsukihime II. It was always a joke. He always meant it as a joke from the start. He's done literally nothing with the concept in ten years.
It was never true. He admitted it was a joke from the very beginning.
Melty Blood and the hypothetical Tsukihime II are mutually exclusive.
The hypothetical Tsukihime II occurs after the events of Arcueid True.
Melty Blood (supposedly) occurs after Satsuki's hypothetical Normal End.
>He's done literally nothing with the concept in ten years.
Not entirely true. A failed Aylesbury ritual was the diverging point between the main FSN/Tsukihime timeline and Fate/Extra.
Not to mention, it was twelve years between when he first wrote Mahoyo to when he rereleased it to a wide market.
Hurr I'm a durr that can't do math and can't read.
Twelve years between when he first wrote it and when he ANNOUNCED he was remaking it. Sixteen years until it was rereleased.
It's funny how he one-shot her in maid routes when he don't hold back his killing impulse. Dude was hypnotized to think that he's just normal human but well, he's not
>which pair of meidos are best meidos?
Depends really on if you like crazy/cooldere vs plain(lax/strict)
Neither are best sister pair
But truth be told they aren't even 2nd best sister pair
I like Ciel. I don't get how readers can be so hateful of Ciel even though she's a good guy and saves shiki in pretty much every route.
But truth be told she's a 2ndary to Arc.
And I was hoping it wouldn't come to this......I blame you.
Aozaki clan > Tohsaka clan > everyone else
Aoko >= arc/saber/Rshiki > 2ndary "heroines"(kek cuckqueens)
>I don't get how readers can be so hateful of Ciel even though she's a good guy and saves shiki in pretty much every route.
Because she's kind of a bitch, and because her design in the VN is pretty shitty.
You choose to remember her saving Shiki in most routes, but I remember her getting in Shiki's way in damn near every route and fighting him in a bunch. Even in Melty Blood, she's antagonistic to Shiki a bunch of times. Arc and Akiha fighting Shiki both get a pass because they're going fucking nuts and it only happens in one route each, and Kohaku gets a pass because she does her shit behind the scenes, but Ciel usually just does it because she has a stick up her ass.
As for the art, just look at this shit. Some of her later Melty Blood art looks really good, I'll admit, but this shit right here is one of the first CGs you see in Tsukihime, and it's godawful.
Nah, it's pretty much nonsense. Nasu didn't write that. There's no way a plague would exist in the Throne of Heroes.
It's just the author doing whatever he wants and Nasu letting him. But you can bet your knickers that Nasu himself is never going to use that idea or something equivalent for himself. His world has pretty strict rules.
>His world has pretty strict rules.
>His world has pretty strict rules.
Except there have been a billion exceptions to the rules. Usually, but not always, because most of the rules as they are presented to us are how magi understand how things work, and magi don't understand how things work at all.
Modern humans can't kill Servants. Except for Shirou or Bazett.
People who actually touch the Root never come back. Except for Ryougi Shiki, and I think Sajyou Manaka.
Psychic powers appear by chance and are limited to one generation. Except for the Demon Hunter clans, the Nanaya especially.
>Modern humans can't kill Servants. Except for Shirou or Bazett.
That's not a rule, that's a standard. There's technically nothing stopping humans from killing Servants other than the sheer difference in ability and stats. It's not a hard rule that humans can't fight Servants, but rather the challenge is so insurmountable that it would be foolish for most to try. Bazett and Shirou are exceptions, and even then, the circumstances under which they're able to do so are extremely limited.
>People who actually touch the Root never come back. Except for Ryougi Shiki, and I think Sajyou Manaka.
They didn't touch the Root. They're CONNECTED to the Root. They have a route to the Root. True Magicians are also connected to the Root. You can be connected to the Root and still be fine. But you can't actually REACH it, because then you'd disappear.
>Psychic powers appear by chance and are limited to one generation. Except for the Demon Hunter clans, the Nanaya especially.
This you're just plain misunderstanding. Yes, psychic powers are limited to one generation. That's why the Nanaya practiced in-breeding. By keeping their bloodline pure, they're able to retain their powers.
None of these are "breaking" any rules. They're loopholes. Nasu's rules have plenty of loopholes, but none of them can be outright broken.
The reason Shiki becomes Arcueid's guardian is because she's confined the her castle in order to reign in her bloodlust.
The reason Shiki obtains the Fruit of Einnashe is because he believes that it will ease her bloodlust by a significant amount. The reason he attacks Louvre is because he wants a particular relic in his possession.
She's kind of a hardass and her design doesn't really appeal to a lot of people. Out of all the designs in Tsukihime, hers is probably the most dated. A true relic of the late 90s/early 00s.
>The reason Shiki obtains the Fruit of Einnashe is because he believes that it will ease her bloodlust by a significant amount. The reason he attacks Louvre is because he wants a particular relic in his possession.
I'm sure "Fuck Dead Apostle Ancestors" has at least a little bit to do with that, too. Remember, Arc originally existed to hunt down Demon Lords and Dead Apostles.
Shiki has no interest in that, and it's not like Arcueid would tell him to go after them either. And it's not as if Shiki WANTS to kill anyone either.
He attacks them for specific objectives.
He doesn't have the same driving sense of justice that Shirou has, but he still pretty clearly doesn't like monsters that kill loads and loads of people. A lot of DAAs are like that. Louvre probably was.
And besides, I always felt like Satsujinki was straying away from Aoko's lesson a little bit. Not enough to become a real nutcase like SHIKI was, granted, but enough.
You're pulling that out of nothing.
Eclipse, the epilogue of Tsukihime after you complete all the routes, is supposed to take place after Tsukihime II. It's the same Shiki as always. According to her, Shiki is someone who hates killing more than anyone else, and also acknowledges that he's grown up to be a fine man.
He doesn't just go around targeting Dead Apostles for no reason.
Selective memory there.
Ceil is generally a good guy who has to do the dirty work. She's basically femarcher with moe factor instead of gar factor.
Thanks for proving my later point.
Even nasu/tsuchi make jokes about how normal and well adjusted fate girls are compared to crazy ass tsuki girls.
shiki = quantity of harem
shirou = quality of harem
exactly opposite of their fighting abilities
youngbloods be ungrateful cunts. Rin's "saving u and not asking anything for it" thing is basically a ciel copypasta
>Eclipse, the epilogue of Tsukihime after you complete all the routes, is supposed to take place after Tsukihime II.
Nnnno, there isn't really any indication of WHEN it takes place.
And I'm really basing it off of two things, though granted it's not very concrete evidence. The first is the fact that his eyes have become FAR more powerful than they have in Melty Blood (even Actress Again, which is an additional year after the original Melty), and the second that the title people have given him is literally fucking "homicidal maniac."
He's gained some notoriety amongst Dead Apostles and various other factions, but the only recorded cases of him attacking Ancestors is when he has a particular objective in mind. When he attacked Einasshe, it was to obtain its fruit, and when he attacked Louvre, it was in order to obtain his mace.
It's unlikely that Shiki's nature has changed significantly since Tsukihime. Again, he's not attacking these targets out of a desire to kill them, but rather, in order to fulfill specific objectives. Shiki's the last person in the world to kill without a reason to.
They said that Fate girls get along better, anon talking about quality of each girl separately. Tsuki girls are wonderful just don't put them in the same room at the same time
>Tsuki girls are wonderful just don't put them in the same room at the same time
I've said it before, Shiki needs to just fuck all his girls at once and let them all bask in the afterglow together, wombs dripping with his semen.
The main problems are Ciel and Akiha, due to their extremely stubborn and confrontational personalities.
Arcueid tends to be friendly with anyone who isn't a Dead Apostle, and is pretty jovial towards Akiha. It's said that if Shiki weren't a factor, then Akiha would probably like Arcueid quite a bit. It's not unlike the relationship Ryougi Shiki has with Azaka.
Hisui's too introverted so it's hard to tell how well she'd get along with others. Kohaku's the opposite; I'm not even sure if she's truly capable of "hating" anyone now. Her plotting and scheming weren't due to hatred, but simply out of a desperate need for some sort of "function".
Sion's said to be the rare type who can get along with all the heroines, in that she can act friendly towards them and they won't necessarily act hostile towards her in turn. Though it's hard to say if that's completely true. Arcueid doesn't seem to care much one way or another.
Feels good loving the forgotten MC who nobody cares to argue about.
I don't think Hisui would necessarily "get along" with Arc or Ciel as in become their BFF, but she'd definitely remain very civil with them. It probably helps that she's the heroine that enjoys the small moments with Shiki the most.
I love her very much, and so does Japan. According to TM popularity polls she's only marginally less popular than Saber. It's just that most Ryougifriends generally aren't as loud about it as people who like other girls.
That poll is a bad example, it was taken right after the last movie, that was the absolute height of her popularity. She's far behind now.