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Shirou vs Shiki

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-Who do you like better?
-Who would you rather spend a night of sex with?
-Who has better harem?
-Who is better written?
-Who would win in a fight?
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Poll: http://www.poll-maker.com/poll290694x1364446E-11
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>>123883956
Shiki fucks his sister, so he wins hands down
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>>123884088
>sister
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>>123883956
Shiki.
Kohaku.
Shiki.
Shirou.
Shiki with his brain exploding five seconds later.
Move on.
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>>123883956
Shiki
If I really need to choose then Shiki
Shiki
Shirou
Shiki
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>>123883956
Ryougi Shiki.
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>>123883956
>-Who do you like better?
Shirou.
>-Who would you rather spend a night of sex with?
Neither.
>-Who has better harem?
Arc>Sakura, so Shiki.
>-Who is better written?
Shirou.
>-Who would win in a fight?
Shirou as an adult, otherwise Shiki.
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Why there no typemoon material about 2stronk old man traveling through the multiverse?
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>>123883984
I am the bone of my bot
Script is my body and proxies are my blood
I have cast over a thousand votes
Unaware of IP check, Nor aware of fairness
Withstood pain to cast votes, waiting for another's arrival
I have no regrets. This is the only path
My whole life was Unlimited Proxy Works
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>>123884358
Fuck you.
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>Shiki
Literally who?
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>>123883956
Shirou
Rather a jackhammer than a rapist; Shirou
Shirou, barely
Shirou
Shiki
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>>123884864
Someone who already started adding Fate girls to his harem
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>>123885030
>Caren
>A whore that would fuck literally anyone that asks her
She is part of everyone harem.
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>>123885030
>he who rapes everyone
>she who is "raped" by everyone
It's like pottery.
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>>123885175
In All Around TM Drama cd and those Radio dramas she's Shiki stalker. Slut now wants only his dick
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>>123885438
>she's Shiki stalker
She will still spread her legs for any man that wants her. If he falls for her it would just end in him getting NTRed.
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>>123885669
He will "cure" here from being a whore with his dick
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>>123885813
*her
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>>123883956
Shiki
Shiki
Shiki
Shiki
Shiki
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>>123883956
Does Shiki SAVE EVERYONE?
No?
I didn't fucking think so.
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>>123886133
Shirou couldn't save Ilya.
I will never forgive him.
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>>123886133
did shirou save kirei?
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Shiki
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>>123886133
He arguably saves more people by killing Nero and Roa though.
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>>123886407
>posting wrong Shiki
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>>123886133
Does Shirou RAPE ANYONE?
No?
I didn't fucking think so.
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>>123886281
He saves her in Fate Route. He just doesn't fuck her.
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>>123886281
>Shirou doesn't save Ilya
>Ilya saves Shirou

Ilya best onee-chan
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>>123886585
She only lives like a year or two after that though. She deserves to live forever.
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>>123886585
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I want to save Sacchin
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Shiki has the far superior harem. Akiha is the worst Tsuki girl, and she's still superior to Sakura. Arcueid is unequivocally best girl in both series.
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>>123886873
Her Origin is [Bad End], you can't.
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>>123883956
Shirou x 5.
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>>123883984
>Shiroi 1813
>Shiki 13
Ayy
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>>123883956
Shiki>Shiki>Shiki>Shiki
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>>123883956
>Who do you like better?
Shiki

>Who would you rather spend a night of sex with?
Shiki looks like he would share

>Who has better harem?
Shiki

>Who is better written?
None

>Who would win in a fight?
Shirou
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>>123886718
Blame Old Man Acht for that, not Shirou.
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>>123886873
Who?
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>>123887048
But Shiki's harem is shit.
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>>123886928
>Akiha is the worst Tsuki girl
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>>123887008
French girls are needy.
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>>123887143
This is a Christian image board and Christians believe in monogamy, Yusuf. Marriage with a daughteru > harem
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>>123886873
We can't save everyone. Because the game didn't let us.
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>>123887143
Kokutou best and most French-sounding boy to be with. I love watching these two together while I am more interested in watching Shirou deal with his own insanity rather than who he dicks. Tohno isn't worth going into.
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>>123887242
Shiki got superior daughteru
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Only a real man can wear this shirt.
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>>123887262
What sort of miracle Shiki pulls out to save Sacchin in her route?
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>>123887414
I would not want to die looking at that shirt.
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>>123887327
Fucking what? Had the second part been released already?
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>>123887414
That shirt kinda iconic though.
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>>123884232
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>>123887637
Oh, it has.
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I want Shiki to fart on me!
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>>123887985
I wish to stick my finger up the Shiki's butthole, pull it out and smell it.
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>>123887985
I want to "fuck" her.
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Best girl
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>>123888321
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>>123888466
>You will never have maids that will do bad Gundam cosplay for you
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>>123888297
>>123888321
>>123888133
Mikiya please go.
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If Ryougi and Nanaya have sex, how long would it be?

How crazy/wild would it be?

Think about it, they're both monsters in the sack

Fuck, I'm getting a boner thinking about it
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>>123888872
Nanaya is murdersual. The only thing he likes to stick is a knife and not in natural holes. Ryougi is Kokuto's bitch. So they will try kill each other and nothing else.
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>>123889020
Would Aoko, Shiki, Saber, and Arcueid get along with each other?
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>>123889317
It's not like they have anything against each other. Outside their storylines they're fairly normal people.
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>>123887008
>No Sella
Unacceptable
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>>123887327
Who's the mother?
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>>123883956
Shiki
Shirou
Shiki
Shirou is a better character, but Shiki is better written.
Depends on a lot of things.
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>>123888466
She definitely is
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>>123889317
>>123889486
Saber might be the odd one out there. The other three really are monsters.
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>>123888466
She just looks so cute in a turtleneck.
Why is there only one scene with her like that?
Whatever, it's a miracle of the universe. Turtlenecks really make everything better.
Arcueid too.
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>>123889529
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>>123889972
Hey, Saber might be a jobber, but she is still a time-travelling King Arthur. I think he deserves to be called a monster too.
Also, it's arguable if she is weaker than Shiki. Saber would probably win a straight fight between them.
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>>123883956
Shiki (he doesn't really use chauvinist reasoning to protect women)
Shiki (because he pulls in a lot of women just by talking)
Shiki (Arcueid and Sion)
Shiki (doesn't have to rely on battle shonen character development bullshit)
Shiki (Nasu said so)
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>>123885438
>In All Around TM Drama cd and those Radio dramas she's Shiki stalker.
Why would she even stalk Shiki?
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>>123890351
>Shiki (he doesn't really use chauvinist reasoning to protect women)
Go cry about it on tumblr faggot.
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>>123887200
Actually, she isn't. People that do that ship don't even make sense. The two MCs are the polar opposites of each other in terms of inside and outside. How Ciel can fall for anyone else other than Shiki really makes no sense.
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>>123890345
Shiki can match weak servants according to Nasu. Saber is far stronger.
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>>123890426
Just sayin. I don't think it's all that fine. Even Nasu thinks it's bullshit.
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>>123890485
Ryougi can only do defensive battles with Servants at her very peak (3rd) and that part of her is already "dead."
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>>123890419
Shiki a cute. I would stalk him too
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>>123887129
People always speculate on what happens after HF and UBW, but I'd like to see Shirou traveling to Russia to give Acht his comeuppance,.
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>>123887048
>implying
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>>123883956
HASEGAWA KODAKA
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>>123890419
Think about it. Caren's job is fucking weird possessed or supernatural humans. Shiki is kinda close to being possessed and he's not normal at all.
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>>123890647
Never mind the fact that they also exist in different universes. Powerlevel arguments are always bullshit but it's easier to just focus on characters at their peak.
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>>123890551
Nasu was talking about how he hated making Shirou act that way in the Fate simply because he couldn't get over genderswapping Saber. In his mind at the time, Saber was still a man; so, he regrets not knowing how to write the situation better. Shirou doesn't show that kind of sexism in either UBW or HF.
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>>123889486
Goddamn, I love this image. Arc looks especially beautiful.
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>>123890877
He was quoting Nasu.
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>>123890849
Isn't he like the opposite of possessed, really?
I mean, he specifically comes from a clan of demon hunters.
Yeah, sure, he has a few screws loose, but it's not like Caren deals with that. She only deals with demons.
And his supernatural powers pretty much come from the same source as Caren - it's psychic powers, not demonic powers.
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>>123890784
I've always wanted that to happen; however, it feels like only UBW Shirou would do seeing as he's still traveling the world to be a hero. HF Shirou stays at the home for the most part, and he doesn't to have a reason to train his reality marble at all.
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>>123890919
*route
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Shiki wins easily. He's an actual superhuman, and he has the Queen of Type Moon in his harem.
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>>123883956

Shiki. Shirou is shit and anyone who likes him is shite.
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>>123891015
At the end of HF Rin does mention that with training Shirou should be able to Master his RM in a few years.

I got the impression that the only relatively vanilla Shirou is Fate Shirou.
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>>123890953
I know the quote, it's the fantranslation in the wikia. It doesn't make what I said any less true, powerlevels are dumb and you should always take characters at their peak level.
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>>123891074
I have always wondered how overpowered Shiki can become if he uses his above average magus potential and reinforces his already OP self.

Also, yeah, that queen has everything.
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>>123891150
At the end of UBW you mean
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>>123891223
Not him, but no; she does specifically mention it at the end of HF True. Reread it if you don't believe me.
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>>123891205
He would be godlike.
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>>123891223
No, in UBW he already used his RM. In HF he mentions during the last Berserker fight that he can't use it. That's what Rin is talking about.
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>>123891150
UBW Good Shirou would be the best off. Gets to train with Saber and Rin together.
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>>123891298
Well for mastering I thought that you meant perfecting the use of the RM. Though I should re-read HF True
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>>123891205
What makes Shiki OP?
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>>123883956
Shirou
Rider
tie, can't choose
Shirou
Shiki obviously
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>>123891403
He has a perfect superhuman body from back when people could become servants.
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>>123887469
He doesn't. They become DAAs together and have lusty vampire sex in an abandoned warehouse while Arc watches.
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>>123891403
If you've actually read his feats and fights, and you remember the powerlevel scales of who he defeats, he's actually monstrous already. As one poster before me posted, he can run as fast as Usain Bolt for 15 straight minutes. With no prior training for running in the past 8 years. Aside from having a huge dick the size of Kohaku's arm, I'm pretty sure that Shiki's Japanese and not a Westerner. He's a 5'7" Japanese guy.
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More importa question Can Arc get pregnant by Shiki?
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>>123891494
>Melty Blood is based on Sacchin route
>Shiki never shows any signs that he fucked her prior to MB
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>>123891469
He is still a little worse
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>>123891555
If they try hard enough then yes. Their offspring would be Altrouge Jr. though.
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>>123891403
He has lifeforce getting drained out of him and he's still a stamina beast.
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>>123891328
> Gets to train with Saber and Rin together
He would have no strength or free time having to fuck both of them on daily basis
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>>123891716
>doubting Shirou "The Jackhammer" Emiya
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>>123891716
They'll fuck in UBW to see how long he can last under the pressure.
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>>123890244
how much Liz is in Prisma?

it might be worth picking up for her alone
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>>123891764
>jackhammer
>penis is literally a needledick
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>>123891524
>Aside from having a huge dick the size of Kohaku's arm
what
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>>123891813
Enough to warrant watching it for her alone.
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>>123891813
Here and there but not much. They're not in Season 2 either. Don't expect much. I still recommend it.
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>>123890351
>thinking Shirou wasn't just using that as an excuse to try and deal with how useless he was in the situation

kid couldn't accept that he was powerless to fight and die for justice and that was the only lame excuse he could come up with why he should be allowed to throw his life away
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Whoever wins, Gilgamesh loses.
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When Shiki couldn't kill Akiha in Kohaki's route is the point that I realized that Tohno Shiki was best boy. If he would have done it I would have dropped the VN right then and there.
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>>123891941
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>>123891971
Jokes on you, he actually kills her in one end.
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>>123892047
Which one? Not in any of the good, normal, or true endings, but band endings yes.
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>>123891971
>I would have dropped the VN right at the end of the last route, after having read and enjoyed it thoroughly until that moment.
Wow, what a loss that would be. You wouldn't have read, like the 15 remaining minutes.
Plus Eclipse.
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>>123883956
Wow when did takeuchi redraw Shiki? I like him there
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>>123892133
That's right.
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>>123892135
Melty Blood
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>>123892111
>but band endings yes.
>band
Shiki and the pussycats when?

First Kohaki, now band. Take it easy mate, no need to type it that vigorously.
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>>123892198
My bad m8, but which ending were you referring to? The ending where he keeps his promise to Akiha?
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>>123892274
No it's a bad end in Kohaku's route.
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>>123892331
And that's why it's a bad end.
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But can Shiki kill Gilgamesh ?
Reminder Gilgamesh might underestimate him
and nanaya blood can't active unless he face a demon.
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>>123892198
>Shiki and the Angry Gland
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>>123892398
Yes, there is always a chance for Shiki speed blitz.
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>>123892500
>we will never get an Ayako route
Why Nasu, why?
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>>123892585
Because she had to pretend to be dating her brother because she can't get a man.
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>>123892500
>>123892585
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>>123886133
Too bad that Shirou's ideals aren't realistic. You can't save everyone, and neither could Shirou.
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>>123892448
>Shiki
>speedblitzing a Servant
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Why did Gilgamesh need this fuckhead as a Master? Isn't he already bound to the material world via Grail majutsu?

Also if he just needed a vessel for the magic cup, he surely could have used any random hobo off the streets.
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>>123885813
This is so cute
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>>123892792
Gil sort of likes Shinji.
>>123892783
Yes, 100 percent serious.
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>>123892783
>Shiki not speedblitzing someone that is 4x slower/less powerful than Arcueid
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>>123892747
Except that Shirou did. Because he's a hero.
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>>123892846
>>123892853
Sorry, but I don't recall Shiki breaking the sound barrier.
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>>123892747
That's why I thought Shirou was unbearable. He is just flat out stupid.
At least in HF he ditches the stupid ideals and strives to save his waifu and little/big sister.
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>>123892891
You aren't recalling correctly. Also, servants speed changes every other fight.
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Why is he so pure?
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>>123892398
Gilgamesh is the biggest fucking jobber in the TM universe, so yes. Loses to Saber, loses to Shirou, loses to Sakura. And in all those occasions, it is because he goes goes easy.
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>>123892969
>Also, servants speed changes every other fight.

Shirou with just the arm of a Servant broke the sound barrier. Something that Shiki never did.
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>>123893042
You don't know that. Shiki has higher potential than his father who thought servant speed was slow. Shiki also cut Arcueid up into 17 pieces instantly.
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>>123892783
Well, technically Shirou did exactly that in their fight.
Though Shiki has no UBW but he does have MEoDP which he can use to kill the treasures if needed.
I do wonder if the result of the fight will be the same as the fight with Shirou or better or worse, though.
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>>123892792
>Isn't he already bound to the material world via Grail majutsu?
Not really, no.
Unless you can explain the almost-dead-but-not-quite-dead orphans some other way. Been a while since I read that part.
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>>123893134
Yes, he is bound to the world via Grail majutsu.
The oprhans are just there for giggles and Kirei enjoying himself. Well, that, and spamming Ea.
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>>123892783
If Gil isn't serious, any number of characters could beat him. That's his fatal flaw.

>>123892967
Great taste
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Well.
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>>123893129
Then post proof that he did.
>>123893132
>MEoDP which he can use to kill the treasures if needed.
I'm pretty sure that if Shiki's blade comes into contact with stuff from GoB that detonates on contact it will not go really well. There is also the chance that Gil would recognize MEoDP
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>>123893042
>. Something that Shiki never did.
Dead Apostles move faster than bullets.
Nero went full power and became faster than Arcueid. He is a Dead Apostle Ancestor.

Unless you are telling me that Arcueid is slower than a bullet, yeah, Shiki broke the sound barrier. It just didn't need to say it.

Also
>Dark Berserker was slower than the sound barrier and still almost won
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>>123893296
I don't have any proof. Shiki moves fast enough that it's like he's teleporting, that's enough for me. He also shit all over Nvsqr who was moving faster than sound.
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>>123893296
There is nothing from GoB that explodes on contact. That shit doesn't cause Broken Phantasms.
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>>123893134

I thought he used them for mana. His Master doesn't necessarily need to provide it for him. All they are used for is keeping the Servants bound to the material world. Hence why normal people like Kuzuki and Ryuunosuke were just fine for the Caster class, which can easily get its mana from other sources.
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>powerlevel shitstorm beginning
Welp, it was fun while it lasted.
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>>123893368
The impact is sufficient to cause explosive releases of kinetic energy, even if the missile itself doesn't break. Gil throws those things out at supersonic speeds.
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>>123893465
That's not an explosion. That's like Nero punching a wall. It causes a release of kinetic energy once contact is made. Shiki's knife basically nullifies that shit after cutting it like with Nero's punches.
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>>123892891
Well half-vampire Shiki most likely can. He menage to land few hits on freaking berserk Arc
>Disappear, you vampire
>Don't fool around, I won't die with such a thing!
>Her hands grab my head. But faster than Arcueid's hands trying to squeeze my head, I slice my knife down to her thigh.
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>>123892792
Because he is fun.
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>>123893296
I don't think Gil actually detonates anything from GoB on contact. Archer does that; Gil doesn't.
Or maybe I don't understand something.
There is a possibility he would recognise MEoDP, but it's still no guarantee he would treat him seriously, and even if he does, Shiki could try speed-blitzing him anyway.
Though him recognising MEoDP is probably the biggest problem of Shiki. If he actually fights half-seriously, then Shiki loses.
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>>123893312
>>123893361
Nasu doesn't think so, since he says that Shiki can only fight people on Melty Blood because of game mechanics.

>>123893368
He simply can send out invisible swords or swords that freeze on contact. Also do you really think that from all that shit Gil has in his vault he doesn't have stuff that explodes? Really?
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>>123893567
>If he actually fights half-seriously, then Shiki loses.
That would mean that Gilgamesh actually considers Shiki a worthy opponent first. And you know Gil.
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>>123893535
I think the impact of touching a flying weapon with another weapon would be sufficient to disarm shiki.

He would have to hit it perfectly, and he would need to kill a shitton of them very quickly, without being even a hair off the mark, which would strain him.

Also, I'd wager that EA has no concept of death.
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>>123893567
>Still, the destructive power was enormous. The road surface was blown up like it was hit with an explosive blast, and the scene was shrouded by the dust of the asphalt pulverized into particles.
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>>123893643
No. Nasu says that the Shiki on Melty Blood is Shiki always on trump card form. The normal Shiki is brainwashed into thinking he's normal. Once he's trump card mental state, even DAAs can't touch him. Arcueid, 4x a Servant on 30%, dies and gets cut into 17 slabs of meat in a moment and before he even finishes his step.

>He simply can send out invisible swords or swords that freeze on contact. Also do you really think that from all that shit Gil has in his vault he doesn't have stuff that explodes? Really?
Yes. Gilgamesh will just use anything and everything from his GoB to kill a guy who uses a fruit knife and has no real aura emanating from him.

Also,
>invisible swords
Do you even know what Shiki's original eyes does? Of course you don't.
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>>123893646
Well, yeah but these ARE MEoDP.
It really depends on whether Gil consider one-hit kill eyes a serious challenge or not. If anything, they're really rare, so he might actually go half-serious in this case, just because of how much of a treasure they are.
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>>123893790
Shiki would be able to effortlessly cut through his NP's. He was slicing through Phantasmal Beasts without effort.
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>>123893823
Not him, but didn't Shiki specifically have an aura of gravechill or something?
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>>123883956
Hyaku Shiki wins
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>>123893823
>Yes. Gilgamesh will just use anything and everything from his GoB to kill a guy who uses a fruit knife and has no real aura emanating from him.

That's really just random shit that has in the vault, they aren't even named

>Do you even know what Shiki's original eyes does? Of course you don't.

You know that Gil easily sees through magecraft, right? He should be able to recognize MEoDP.
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>>123893910
Phantasmal beasts don't have insane amounts of kinetic energy + an unknown special effect.
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>>123893790
>I think the impact of touching a flying weapon with another weapon would be sufficient to disarm shiki.
Again, that's the same shit with Nero's punches. Shiki's knife goes through the line, therefore nullifying ALL kinetic force. He is literally going through the conceptual weakness of his target, which is like him cutting through the air. No kinetic energy is going to transfer to him.

It's like somebody throwing two slabs of steak at you and you cut right in between the two slabs of steak. No energy is transferred to you.
>He would have to hit it perfectly, and he would need to kill a shitton of them very quickly, without being even a hair off the mark, which would strain him.
Nasu has already said this is no problem for Shiki. It doesn't matter how many shit you throw at him. Shiki kills 50 of Nero's beasts in a single moment.
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>>123893989
It doesn't matter, his eyes will instantly kill them.
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>>123893989
read>>123893990
Nero had a substantial amount of kinetic energy. It's a superpowered DAA punch from an object that needs to be destroyed by something with the power of a continent buster.
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>>123893983
Not him; I think by "original eyes" he meant that Shiki originally had Pure Eyes, and MEoDP are really just a permutation of these. That is, the eyes that can see invisible things.
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>>123894034
Case in comparison.
Satsuki is not a DAA. She is merely a DA.
Her single punch can cause small craters in concrete. There is no focusing of 500 beasts or anything. That's just simple DA power.

Nero is a DAA.
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>>123893643
>Nasu doesn't think so, since he says that Shiki can only fight people on Melty Blood because of game mechanics.
He didn't say anything like that. I assume you talking about that thing from fuyuki wiki but source for this was his comment from MB manga vol 1. He's not talking about MB (game) story
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>>123893983
>You know that Gil easily sees through magecraft, right? He should be able to recognize MEoDP.
MEoDP is not magecraft. Shiki's eyes are not magecraft either. They are psychic powers. And there is a distinction with these to magecraft. Shiki's jougan (his eyes before he obtained MEoDP) can see shit that cannot be seen.
It's why he's a complete counter against Akiha.
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>>123894139
>Sacchin Punch can break concrete
>Sacchin Punch can throw Shiki several distance away
>Sacchin Punch is literally an overpowered sledgehammer
>Shiki doesn't get obliterated by Sacchin Punches
I don't even...
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>>123893990
>Nasu has already said this is no problem for Shiki. It doesn't matter how many shit you throw at him. Shiki kills 50 of Nero's beasts in a single moment.

That were literally thrown in front of him. How can he deal with an attack that comes from every direction?

>>123894220
Not exactly what I meant, I know that MEoDP is not magecraft. But Gil could analyze Shirou's magecraft pretty easily, it wouldn't surprise me if he manages to detect an abnormal power from Shiki
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>>123894383
>That were literally thrown in front of him. How can he deal with an attack that comes from every direction?
No. Wrong. Shiki's 50 beasts moment happened when they were all literally on top of Shiki coming from every direction, gnawing on him, biting, ripping off his flesh. He literally kills them in a moment. All 50. That were literally on top of him.

That's far faster than the GoB projectiles you are talking about because they are already on Shiki's body.

ALSO, Nasu has already said that GoB can ONLY be fired from one direction. And when Gilgamesh moves, he cannot attack with GoB. This is in the comparison of F/P Gilgamesh with FSN Gilgamesh in the Prototype Material.

>>123894383
Shiki's abnormality shows no real threat. Even Arcueid, a being that can access information from the planet willy nilly even though she's only been really awake for a grand-total of 1 year, could not detect it until it hit her the first time.
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>>123894383
But he couldn't "see" that Shirou possess RM
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>>123894220
Not him.
Arcueid somehow knew about these. I wonder where from, since it implies these eyes appeared somewhere before.
Really, this all probably depends on whether or not the Eyes actually existed in Gil's time. On one hand, psychic powers are specifically something that is of human origin, and Gilgamesh has a kind of a theme about having and knowing about everything that has a human origin. On the other hand. I have a hard time believeing MEoDP had a prototype, and if they just plain didn't exist when he lived, there's no way he would know about them. The most he would get out of it is that Shiki is really weird, probably. That is assuming MEoDP didn't first appear in Uruk, which is certainly possible.
Well, that is if we follow internal logic of the Nasuverse.
If we asked Nasu, I bet he would answer that Gilgamesh would be able to recognise MEoDP, because that's kind of the character he's writing. The one who basically knows everything about everything, even if he has no reason to.
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>>123894615
Read second part >>123894571
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>>123894615
The first MEoDP we know from Nasuverse was from an Irish legend. Ireland is a far ways away from Uruk.
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>>123894571
>ALSO, Nasu has already said that GoB can ONLY be fired from one direction. And when Gilgamesh moves, he cannot attack with GoB. This is in the comparison of F/P Gilgamesh with FSN Gilgamesh in the Prototype Material.
Pic related.
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>>123894615
>Arcueid somehow knew about these. I wonder where from, since it implies these eyes appeared somewhere before.
Balor of the Evil Eye was first owner of MEoDP. Touko mention that in KnK
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>>123893983
>He should be able to recognize MEoDP

MEoDP were only owned by Balor, the god of darkness from celtic mythology. Gil won't know shit about them.
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>>123894769
Whatever that scene described, Nasu already explained as different from what is actually happening. You might think it's coming from everywhere, but Nasu, NASU, has said that FSN Gil's GoB has distinct limits.
It can only fire 10 weapons at a time (you can obviously fire another 10 after that).
It cannot fire when Gilgamesh is moving himself (but it works if he's simply sitting down on Vimana).
It can only fire in one direction, and it has to be aimed to fire in another direction.
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>>123892853
Shiki seems like the standard pervert Harem MC here.
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>>123893278
She's 19.
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>>123894958
I'm disgusted that he didn't play with those funbags more in the anime.
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>>123883956
Shirou
Shirou
Meh on both
Shirou
Shiki
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>>123883956
Shiki
Shiki
Shiki
Shiki
Shiki
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>>123895026
Shiki is so lucky to have Arc.
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>>123894899
I literally can't find what you are talking about, and if I bet that if I play the last episode of UBW there will be more than 10 weapons ready to fire.
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>>123895164
I know right?
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>>123895164
>not the edit
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>>123894899
>It can only fire 10 weapons at a time
Wait, what. Doesn't he fire more than that against Lancelot?

Could you translate the whole section, by any chance, for close appraisal?
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>>123883984

B T F O
T
F
O
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>>123895193
>I literally can't find what you are talking about,
Prototype Material
Just Nasu explaining how different the original Gilgamesh was to the Gilgamesh now. The Gilgamesh from before was more overpowered than the goldie we have now. FP Gil can fire as many NPs as he wants, can do it while moving, and from any direction.

Weapons being ready to fire doesn't mean that they're all firing at the same time. They go in increments of 10.
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>>123895223
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>>123895164
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>>123895244
>Weapons being ready to fire doesn't mean that they're all firing at the same time. They go in increments of 10.
And even if it looks like it's being fired at the same time, they're not. It's like with guns.

You can rapid-fire a gun. It's still 1 bullet at a time that comes out of the gun. Unless it's one of those specialized multiple barrel shits.
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Shirou
Shirou
Shirou
Shirou
Shiki
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>>123895359
Now that's more like it
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>>123895322
Pretty sure PM is translated and nothing like that is in there.
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>>123895489
Somebody posted the raw page and I read it in Japanese. It even had the two Gilgameshes on the page.
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>>123895560
Definitely wasn't prototype material. Doesn't seem to be animation material or tribute phantasm either. I don't think there have been any other books other than those.
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>>123895289
>61 posters
>51 votes on Shiki
>Shirou has only 10 legit votes
>Shirou BTFO
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>>123895656
You can probably find it in the archives. I remember there being a huge shitstorm about it when it got released on /a/ a couple of years back.
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>>123895220
Why is it the last Tsukihime doujin from this author hasn't been scanned yet?
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>>123895755
That's a lot of Shiki votes. I think it's mainly because the UBW anime is shit
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>>123895777
The last two doujinshi for Tsukihime you mean.
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>>123895765
I'm not going to trust you on that. Looking at the Japanese wiki, they describe Bab-ilu as basically the same but slightly weaker. Not the most trust worthy source, but still better than "a thing I saw that totally exists,"
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>>123895755
>sample size of 61
>statistics from a voluntary poll on /a/
>implying this means anything
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One thing is certain - Shiki can only DREAM of having Shirou's memetic powers.
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>>123896325
And that's a bad thing?
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>>123896325
What about Rape the maids and THIS CHAIR?
Also A cat is fine too, though this one is kinda similar to Rape the maids.
Oh, also Bananaya and the Tohno Gland.
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>>123883956
Why would they fight ?
They seems chill together on CP.
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>>123894899
What's the source on that?
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>>123896558
I didn't watch CP yet, but I remember Nasu saying they wouldn't probably like each other much if they actually met.
They are pretty much polar opposites, really. In every single way - from powers and their sources down to their very personalities.
Doesn't necessarily mean they would hate each other but would probably be Archer vs Shirou #2 in dynamic, only without intention to murder being quite as strong.
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>>123896689
This is what I've found, but I bet that in the next UBW episode we will see. The rest of the translation should be on the Beast's Lair, but I'm too lazy to check it out

>◆宝具
>彼の宝具は二つ

>・王律鍵『バヴ=イル』

>王の証である入れ墨

>宝物庫の鍵を開けそこからマシンガンのように刀剣を射出する。
>ぶっちゃけ王の財宝そのもの。

>アニメ戦闘シーンではアーチャーの周りを円を描く様に展開され、そこ
から射出されていた。
>しかし王の財宝とは違い移動しながらでも展開可能らしく、高層ビルを
駆け巡りながら射出してい た。


>Key of the King's Law, Bab-ilu (God's Gate?)
>-the real Noble Phantasm is a tattoo which proves (Gilgamesh's) Kingship.
>-it functions identically with Gate of Babylon, firing out weapons like a machine gun.
>-it opens in a circular pattern around Gilgamesh, firing weapons.
>-it is different from Gate of Babylon in that, it can be activated and employed while Gilgamesh is moving.

Source: Fate Prototype Material.
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>>123896449
>implying Rin did not violently masturbate to that thought
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>>123897049
That doesn't tell me anything. Bab-ilu's abilities don't have any bearing on F/SN Gil's abilities.
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>>123897165
>>-it is different from Gate of Babylon in that, it can be activated and employed while Gilgamesh is moving.

Like I said, the 10 weapons at the time should be on Beast's Lair
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>>123897219
I'm not gonna look that shit up without a URL.
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>>123894899
That reminds me of how much of an asspull Shirou's power is.
Especially the bit where he downloads information from the swords he projects.
Literally an asspull just so he wouldn't be a retard with two sharp objects.
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>>123897308
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1502-Fate-Prototype/page23
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>>123897049
That's just from very early Prototype summaries. It's nothing official.

>>123897219
Having never heard anything like that mentioned before, I don't think you're remembering whatever you saw correctly.
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>>123897429
I'm not even the guy that said it in the beginning, I just decided to look that shit up.
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>>123897409
That doesn't say anything about gate of babylon's limits. Current information suggests that it has no limits in combat.
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>>123897620
>>123897490
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>>123897620
Current information has Gate being physically turned to fire in another direction.
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>>123883956
If Archer decided to (somehow) impregnate Shiki's entire harem, how would both Shiki & Shirou react to the DNA test results?
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>>123897737
>implying Shiki's harem would sleep with an emofaggot trying to kill himself because he can't stand his own face
Shirou is already Shiki's polar opposite, Archer is even more Shiki's polar opposite.
And Servants can't impreg or get preggers. It's how their blood isn't actually blood.
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>>123897737
Wouldn't that be Shirou's genes in the first place? Shiki bails, his harem is now Shirou's problem, Shiki's harem kills everyone in Shirou's harem that tries to get close to him while Shiki finally gets a break.
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>>123897384
>asspull
I don't think you know what that word means.
You could make a case for Avalon, but downloading information isn't one.
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>>123897737
If Snoop Dogg and Jay-Z decided to impregnate Arturia, Rin, and Sakura (let's add Bazett and Caren in too), will you faggots keep on being cucks?
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>>123897737
The only servants that can impregnate women are Avenger and HomuSieg. SHIROU and Gil are questionable if they can impregnate bitches.

Jeanne is the only female servant that can get preggers.
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>>123897737
Have you even seen the size of Shiki's dick in comparison to Shirou's dick? There ain't no way they'd leave Shiki's armdick for a small needlecock.
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>>123897933
>implying it won't be Kanye
>implying he won't be making a song about fucking white women with the album cover him and Saber hugging each other
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>>123897700
He has placed weapons in odd firing positions in Fate/Zero and CCC. He also has been stated to ready more than 10 weapons at a time. There is no information to suggest it has limits.
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>>123897933
I wouldn't really care, honestly.
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>>123898077
Placing them in odd positions doesn't mean he didn't aim.
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>>123897968
Can't Arturia get impregnated considering she isn't really a heroic spirit?
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>>123898159
Can Ghosts get pregnant?
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>>123897968
Why?
Wait, did Nasu ever confirm it somewhere? Did he at one point decide to start talking about who of the Servants shoots blanks and who doesn't?
Or did we get the confirmation somewhere in CCC, or something?
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>>123897992
It's big, but not THAT big. If you want to see an actual armdick, look up Demonbane CGs
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>>123898201
By other ghosts maybe.
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>>123898159
She stopped maturing thanks to Avalon, apparently she stopped having periods, so no probably not
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>>123898200
They're over in the other thread too
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>>123884864
>I am the newfagiest
>>
I am 10/10 mad right now.
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>>123886585
Shirou is a huge shit
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>>123897891
I don't think Avalon is an asspull at all. Shirou had to have it to summon Saber and it fits in the story pretty well. Learning how to fight just because you made a almost perfect copy of a weapon is a complete asspull and it feels like it's there just so he can go toe to toe with Archer and Gilgamesh and not get immediately demolished by Kuzuki. I don't mind if it's simply using it's special ability like that shield or Excalibur, but the whole download thing sparks my autism. At least in HF he can download that information straight from Archer's arm which he does, doesn't he? I don't remember
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>>123886585
Poor Ilya. She wants the Oniichan-coq so badly.
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>>123898629
Archer's battle was more of ideological battle, if he lost the shittalking, he'd be dead.

Gil's battle was Gil being stupid and letting Shirou get the upper hand.
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>>123898339
Because Saber cannot be satisfied with just one.
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>>123897992
>having an actual armdick
How can people live that way? A seven inch cock already has problems when trying to use the restroom, like it flopping on the fucking toilet bowl which is dirty as fuck, just how?
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>>123898793
For Archer's fight, from what I remember Archer was so weakened that he couldn't go on the offensive against Shirou. It was more-so an ideological battle though.
Gil's fight was pretty retarded with Gil being a completely broken servant and losing because "he didn't take it seriously". Even then, Shirou was countering Gil's swords with ease with a spell he learned a day or two before that.
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What does /a/ feel about Gawainposting?
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>>123899063
Pretty fun actually. I like Gawain. Ultimate wingman. Because of vinegar and potatoes, Saber would be your girlfriend if you fed her instant ramen.
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>>123898776
How, though? Has Ilya even hit puberty yet?
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>>123899063
It should fall back and cower like nameless shitposters should.
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>>123899063
Gawain is the best Saber, nobody comes close.
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>>123899117
>feeding your girlfriend instant noodles
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>>123899217
>not enjoying a shitty movie with your gf while eating instant ramen
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>>123899124
She's a 19 year old technically.
No idea how that works in an unaging homunculus body, but there was supposd to be a sex scene with her, so supposedly she did hit puberty eventually.
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Normies please go.
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>>123898989
The fight with Gil can be somewhat explained. For one, Rin gave Shirou plenty of Prana after their H-scene. Shirou has more Prana here than he ever previously did. Also Archer was watching by and shielding Shirou with Rio Aias too. It was never a Shirou vs Gil 1v1. It was much closer to a Shirou + Rin's Prana + Archer covering vs Gil.
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>>123899478
>Also Archer was watching by and shielding Shirou with Rio Aias too.
He was? I didn't know that. I knew he finished off Gil but I didn't know he was shielding Shirou too. I know I'm being autistic about the whole fight, it just felt underwhelming to be the "final boss" fight, especially compared to HF's Sakura vs Rin and Kotomine vs Shirou. I could be biased since I don't like Shirou at all though.
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>>123899678
Even Shirou/Rider vs Saber was much better.
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>>123899800
Sparks Liner High for best HF ending.
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>>123899800
That fight was shit, take off your blindfold HFaggot.
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>>123900272
It was better than the Shirou/Gil fight.
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>>123900335
>shitty beam struggle
>better than anything
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>>123900418
Yes, it's better than Gil stubbornly not wanting to acknowledge Shirou until it's too late.
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>>123900335
Haha this guy is serious.
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>>123900459
You may not like it but saying a beam struggle is better is hilariously sad.
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>>123890244
This is from an OVA? I don't remeber it...
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>>123883956
Can someone post the original pic for Shiki, I haven't seen it before. Also why does he have the same effect as Ryougi in his eyes, shouldn't they be pure silver/blue?
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>>123890345
I don't mean in terms of strength. I'm just talking in terms of humanity.
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>>123888466
Mah nigga
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Wasnt there some nasu answer about who in the type-moon universe could go against a servant, he even made the distinction of saying that servants even had to ne some weak for humans to go against them
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>>123886601
imouto*
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so guys, which pair of meidos are best meidos?
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>>123901860
Shiki is a really nice guy too, really.
Sure, he has Nanaya mode, but it's mostly for demons and not his real personality.
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>>123898117
GOMU GOMU NOOOOOOO BAZOOOOOOOKA
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>>123902967
forgot the picture
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>>123903021
Tsukimeidos > Fate/Meido Knights.
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>>123903021
TsukiMeidos > Fate Meidos.
No contest.
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>>123903021
You can't be serious...
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>>123903292
>...
You can't be serious.
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>>123903021
Tsukihime had a chance to be good if it wasn't for those shitty maids and their garbage routes.
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>>123898387
What's it say?
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>>123903349
Not him but what the deal with the 3 points?
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>>123903363
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>>123903434
> Necoarc
> F/SN
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>>123903363
You can (not) have taste this shit.
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>>123903021
i don't know, but I want to fuck both of both.
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>>123903448
punctuation that originally was used to indicate the omission of words from a sentence or phrase
think "if you have to ask..."

now, with the rise of written language as a means of regular conversation and not just essays or letters, it is shorthand to denote incredulity
some people don't like that usage
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>>123902974
Shiki is nice, but he's not very 'human'. He's a person who's already died and is aware of how fragile his existence is. Sacchin talks about it, how he's different.

Saber, for all her power and weird ancestry, is pretty human.
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>>123903506
It actually says she's from F/SN? How would you even come close to believing that?
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>>123903983
>has near death experience
>is easy going because, "hey at least I'm not dead'
>isn't human

what the fuck am I reading?
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>>123890943
Of course - she is the princess of the moon after all
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>>123898387
It says she didn't appear in Fate/Stay Night
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>>123904201
Exactly why I'm mad, Taiga Dojo should have had a Neco Arc.
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>>123904095
Both Sacchin and Arihiko managed to realize how fucked up he is. It does make him easy going, but there's a point where easy going stops being natural.
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>>123902974
Nanaya mode is not "mostly for demons".

Nanaya mode is simply his survival impulse showing up, temporarily overriding Makihisa's brainwashing. He is not a normal human, but Makihisa fucked Shiki's logic into thinking he's one.
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>>123902923
Why would the older sister be the imouto?
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>>123904417
Because the maids
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>>123901596
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>>123904980
why Ryougi? Is this for MBAA?
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>>123905591
Yeah. It's the limited edition cover for the PS2 port of Melty Blood Actress Again.
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>>123905591
Yep
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>>123905635
>>123905669
Well, it's pretty at least.

I wish there was a translation for Archetype Earth and Roa's arcade modes.
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>>123904980
So the eyes thing was an edit? Okay, still looks very cool.
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>caren stalks shiki
Why?
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>>123906821
The Gland is strong!
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>>123886133
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>>123893813
Because he's firing nigh indestructible superweapons at high speeds. If I had a car cannon and shot minivans and shit at the road, it would tear the road the same if I launched a bomb at it. It's easiest to see in the Berserker fights. Gil's projectiles stick in Berserker's body and stay intact after the fights so he can recollect them. Emiya's break because he compensates for the rank down weakness UBW imposes by making his projections into volatile nukes that can destroy anything. Gil wouldn't blow his treasures up. Even when he considers his weapons sullied for having touched Caster's monstrosity, he never even considers the possibility of using his trashed weapons as Broken Phantasms.
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>>123904980
That's a pretty good design
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>>123908749
Yup. Takeuchi's not always such a shitty artist like the memes say
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Is Arcueid the most powerful TM character?
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>>123909347
Yes. And cutest
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>>123909347
No. She loses in a fight to her older sister, who has a pet dog that is as strong as the personification of the planet Mercury's might. Or it might be Altrouge who is as strong as ORT, I forget.
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>>123909347
And the shapeliest!
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>>123909474
ORT is stronger than Primate Murder. Primate Murder is as good as killing humans as ORT, but ORT isn't restricted to killing humans.
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>>123904980
I like the one he drew for AACC, too.
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>>123909577
Just look at Sion's legs.
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>>123909577
Where is Ciel?
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>>123893278
How do you get this?
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>>123909742
Melty Blood stopped being about Ciel pretty early in development.
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>>123892839
except this is fake and the original was the opposite direction standard sluttification.
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>>123910348
Poor Ciel!
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archer vs shiki who win?
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>>123911370
Archer
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Why /a/ hates Ciel? She's truly best girl.
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>>123909347
No. ORT is.

If we're talking on a purely terrestrial level, no illegal aliens allowed, then, as far as the pure numbers go, Arcueid would be the strongest. However, she has an elemental disadvantage against Gilgamesh.
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>>123911934
The remake really made Sempai cuter, she never looked as cute as she does with her remake design, what did Take do?
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>>123912376
Flattened her hair out, mainly, and gave her a softer colour palette
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>>123911934
When will they draw her sex scene with Shriou?
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>>123912376
>>123912467
I don't like it compared to the melty blood designed, for some reason. Not sure why.

Might be the hair.
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>>123912495
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>powerlevels
this is what fatefags think constitute a good thread
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>>123892448
>Yes, there is always a chance for Shiki speed blitz.
>>123892783
>>123893132
>Well, technically Shirou did exactly that in their fight.
>Though Shiki has no UBW but he does have MEoDP which he can use to kill the treasures if needed.
Shiki is actually weak as shit. Maybe 3rd Ryougi can.
She can actually pull off most of the BS you guys think Tshiki can do.
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>>123912639
A good thread is a discussion of Nasuverse metaphysics.

We don't have those anymore because waifu wars and power levels are easier and shitposters are lazy.
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>>123912706
>good discussion
>revolving around intricate details of nasu's hack writing
interesting proprosal
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>>123912639
Welcome to /a/ newcomer. Unfortunately for you, there are no upvotes/downvotes here. If you don't like a thread or a post... just ignore it!
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>>123898776
At least she got the snuggle
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>>123912733
Of course.

Why else would you hang out in threads about Nasu's hack writing if you didn't want to talk about it?
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>>123912736
replying to people with things in support of a post is an upvote

sage used to be a downvote, but visisble downvoting was removed due to /a/buse.

Now we post-with-not-a-lot-of-effort-if-you-catch-my-drift to downvote. take a seat kid.
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>>123896325
Shirou's abilities are such bullshit.

>they get around it by saying memories are actually stored in the soul, an infinite thing that exists outside of the physical universe.

Yeah sure
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>>123912771
>sage used to be a downvote

What an idiot...
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>>123884285
>Shirou as an adult
Still incapable of deploying UBW by himself
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>>123912841
If they aren't how can one have heroic spirits and the throne?
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Mahoyo actually when
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>>123913738
Now, if you speak French, Russian, or moon.
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>>123913738
When you stop touching yourself at night
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Reminder that every time Gil does this, he opens up several Gate of Babylon portals in different places and at different angles.
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>>123913874
So never?
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>>123913980
I kind of forgot that.
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>>123910846
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Shinji > Shirou and shiki
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What lucky guy Shiki is, even if he's supposedly going to die early, he lived to the fullest his best years.
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>>123916444
Why is he blindfolded?
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>>123916819
Because if you remove it, he'll die.
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>>123916819
too much death
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>>123916854
>>123916848
I don't remember, when this happened?
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>>123916894
He was blindfolded in Talk., which was supposedly a short story linking to the non-existent "Tsukihime II".

A year after the events of Tsukihime, Shiki's eyes apparently advance so far that even the Mystic Eye Killers are no longer able to block out the Lines of Death. As a result, he blindfolds himself in order to keep from seeing them.
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>>123916894
Tsukihime 2. And don't tell me you haven't read Prelude and Talk.
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>>123916936
>A year after the events of Arc True

FTFY. Also. remember that Melty Blood, the first one, is about nine months after a different Tsukihime ending, and Shiki's eyes are nowhere NEAR as bad.
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Of course, despite all this talk of "Tsukihime II", we musn't forget:

It's all nonsense.
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>>123917098
I dunno, man. Nasu wrote two short stories leading up to it. Even Type-Moon, who puts an absurd amount of effort into April Fool's jokes, wouldn't make two stories leading up to something he has absolutely zero plans to follow through with. And don't forget how Strange Fake was supposed to be a joke, but is now being expanded into an actual thing.

Or Satsuki's route.
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>>123917249
Maybe in middle of 2000s it was true, but not now.
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>>123916978
Well in MB he's chilling in the city. In Tsukihime 2 he's traveling around the world doing high level quest and shit
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>>123916936
Damn... this is just sad
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>>123917249
Strange Fake wasn't written by him.

And I don't think Nasu's so lenient as to let someone else write about the details concerning the Ayesbury Ritual or the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostle Ancestors. People making up Servants is one thing, but this is HIS shit.

And all he did was write two short stories, and it's been over ten years since he first joked about Tsukihime II. It was always a joke. He always meant it as a joke from the start. He's done literally nothing with the concept in ten years.

>>123917398
It was never true. He admitted it was a joke from the very beginning.
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>>123917411
Melty Blood and the hypothetical Tsukihime II are mutually exclusive.

The hypothetical Tsukihime II occurs after the events of Arcueid True.
Melty Blood (supposedly) occurs after Satsuki's hypothetical Normal End.
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>>123917421
>He's done literally nothing with the concept in ten years.
Not entirely true. A failed Aylesbury ritual was the diverging point between the main FSN/Tsukihime timeline and Fate/Extra.

Not to mention, it was twelve years between when he first wrote Mahoyo to when he rereleased it to a wide market.
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What route was this in?
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>>123917723
UBW
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>>123917747
When they're at home before going to the temple for the final fight?
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>>123917565
>Twelve years

Hurr I'm a durr that can't do math and can't read.

Twelve years between when he first wrote it and when he ANNOUNCED he was remaking it. Sixteen years until it was rereleased.
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>>123911433
It's funny how he one-shot her in maid routes when he don't hold back his killing impulse. Dude was hypnotized to think that he's just normal human but well, he's not
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>>123902967
>which pair of meidos are best meidos?
Depends really on if you like crazy/cooldere vs plain(lax/strict)
Neither are best sister pair
But truth be told they aren't even 2nd best sister pair

>>123911934
>Ciel?
I like Ciel. I don't get how readers can be so hateful of Ciel even though she's a good guy and saves shiki in pretty much every route.
But truth be told she's a 2ndary to Arc.

>>123913874
And I was hoping it wouldn't come to this......I blame you.

Aozaki clan > Tohsaka clan > everyone else
Aoko >= arc/saber/Rshiki > 2ndary "heroines"(kek cuckqueens)
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>>123917949
And it was after years without training. Nanaya called such skills useless because of it.
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>>123917831
No, before Archer defects. It was in episode 12.
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Tsukihime 2 when
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>>123918190
Never ever

Souls games will distract nasu forever
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>>123918190
It's all nonsense.
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>>123918025
>I don't get how readers can be so hateful of Ciel even though she's a good guy and saves shiki in pretty much every route.

Because she's kind of a bitch, and because her design in the VN is pretty shitty.

You choose to remember her saving Shiki in most routes, but I remember her getting in Shiki's way in damn near every route and fighting him in a bunch. Even in Melty Blood, she's antagonistic to Shiki a bunch of times. Arc and Akiha fighting Shiki both get a pass because they're going fucking nuts and it only happens in one route each, and Kohaku gets a pass because she does her shit behind the scenes, but Ciel usually just does it because she has a stick up her ass.

As for the art, just look at this shit. Some of her later Melty Blood art looks really good, I'll admit, but this shit right here is one of the first CGs you see in Tsukihime, and it's godawful.
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>>123918356
Like plague as Servant nonsense? Call it fanfiction, not canon, but not nonsense.
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>>123918441
Nah, it's pretty much nonsense. Nasu didn't write that. There's no way a plague would exist in the Throne of Heroes.

It's just the author doing whatever he wants and Nasu letting him. But you can bet your knickers that Nasu himself is never going to use that idea or something equivalent for himself. His world has pretty strict rules.
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>>123918545
>His world has pretty strict rules.
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>>123918595
Well yeah.

He bends the rules, but he doesn't outright break them. A plague would never make it into the Throne of Heroes. It's just not possible.
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>>123918545
>His world has pretty strict rules.
Except there have been a billion exceptions to the rules. Usually, but not always, because most of the rules as they are presented to us are how magi understand how things work, and magi don't understand how things work at all.

Modern humans can't kill Servants. Except for Shirou or Bazett.
People who actually touch the Root never come back. Except for Ryougi Shiki, and I think Sajyou Manaka.
Psychic powers appear by chance and are limited to one generation. Except for the Demon Hunter clans, the Nanaya especially.
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Actually, I have my doubts that Enkidu's in the Throne either. Isn't he closer to a Nature Spirit?
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>>123918751
>Modern humans can't kill Servants. Except for Shirou or Bazett.
That's not a rule, that's a standard. There's technically nothing stopping humans from killing Servants other than the sheer difference in ability and stats. It's not a hard rule that humans can't fight Servants, but rather the challenge is so insurmountable that it would be foolish for most to try. Bazett and Shirou are exceptions, and even then, the circumstances under which they're able to do so are extremely limited.

>People who actually touch the Root never come back. Except for Ryougi Shiki, and I think Sajyou Manaka.
They didn't touch the Root. They're CONNECTED to the Root. They have a route to the Root. True Magicians are also connected to the Root. You can be connected to the Root and still be fine. But you can't actually REACH it, because then you'd disappear.

>Psychic powers appear by chance and are limited to one generation. Except for the Demon Hunter clans, the Nanaya especially.
This you're just plain misunderstanding. Yes, psychic powers are limited to one generation. That's why the Nanaya practiced in-breeding. By keeping their bloodline pure, they're able to retain their powers.

None of these are "breaking" any rules. They're loopholes. Nasu's rules have plenty of loopholes, but none of them can be outright broken.
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>>123916952
>laugh
Nasu is hilarious.
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>>123917411
>Onii-chan became the witch's guardian
Couldn't 30% Arc curbstomp Shiki if he didn't manage to surprise her?
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>>123919100
There are a lot of things that Arc would have a bitch of a time killing that Shiki wouldn't break a sweat with. Like Nrvnqsr.
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>>123918025
Ciel is fantastic, but so are all of the Tsukihime heroines. She just happens to be the worst of the best.
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>>123919100
The reason Shiki becomes Arcueid's guardian is because she's confined the her castle in order to reign in her bloodlust.

The reason Shiki obtains the Fruit of Einnashe is because he believes that it will ease her bloodlust by a significant amount. The reason he attacks Louvre is because he wants a particular relic in his possession.
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>>123918025
She's kind of a hardass and her design doesn't really appeal to a lot of people. Out of all the designs in Tsukihime, hers is probably the most dated. A true relic of the late 90s/early 00s.
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>>123919159
>The reason Shiki obtains the Fruit of Einnashe is because he believes that it will ease her bloodlust by a significant amount. The reason he attacks Louvre is because he wants a particular relic in his possession.

I'm sure "Fuck Dead Apostle Ancestors" has at least a little bit to do with that, too. Remember, Arc originally existed to hunt down Demon Lords and Dead Apostles.
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>>123919241
Shiki has no interest in that, and it's not like Arcueid would tell him to go after them either. And it's not as if Shiki WANTS to kill anyone either.

He attacks them for specific objectives.
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>>123919151
Except Kohaku, who's worse than dirt.
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>>123919378
No she isn't.
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>>123919378
Both of the maids are awful.
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>>123919288
He doesn't have the same driving sense of justice that Shirou has, but he still pretty clearly doesn't like monsters that kill loads and loads of people. A lot of DAAs are like that. Louvre probably was.

And besides, I always felt like Satsujinki was straying away from Aoko's lesson a little bit. Not enough to become a real nutcase like SHIKI was, granted, but enough.
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>>123919473
You're pulling that out of nothing.

Eclipse, the epilogue of Tsukihime after you complete all the routes, is supposed to take place after Tsukihime II. It's the same Shiki as always. According to her, Shiki is someone who hates killing more than anyone else, and also acknowledges that he's grown up to be a fine man.

He doesn't just go around targeting Dead Apostles for no reason.
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>>123918407
Selective memory there.
Ceil is generally a good guy who has to do the dirty work. She's basically femarcher with moe factor instead of gar factor.
Thanks for proving my later point.

>>123919151
>tsukis
>better
Even nasu/tsuchi make jokes about how normal and well adjusted fate girls are compared to crazy ass tsuki girls.

shiki = quantity of harem
shirou = quality of harem
exactly opposite of their fighting abilities

>>123919235
youngbloods be ungrateful cunts. Rin's "saving u and not asking anything for it" thing is basically a ciel copypasta
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>>123919546
>Eclipse, the epilogue of Tsukihime after you complete all the routes, is supposed to take place after Tsukihime II.
Nnnno, there isn't really any indication of WHEN it takes place.

And I'm really basing it off of two things, though granted it's not very concrete evidence. The first is the fact that his eyes have become FAR more powerful than they have in Melty Blood (even Actress Again, which is an additional year after the original Melty), and the second that the title people have given him is literally fucking "homicidal maniac."
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>>123919575
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>>123919665
He's gained some notoriety amongst Dead Apostles and various other factions, but the only recorded cases of him attacking Ancestors is when he has a particular objective in mind. When he attacked Einasshe, it was to obtain its fruit, and when he attacked Louvre, it was in order to obtain his mace.

It's unlikely that Shiki's nature has changed significantly since Tsukihime. Again, he's not attacking these targets out of a desire to kill them, but rather, in order to fulfill specific objectives. Shiki's the last person in the world to kill without a reason to.
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>>123915702
source?

carnival phantasm??
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>>123919942
Literally last episode.
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>>123919575
They said that Fate girls get along better, anon talking about quality of each girl separately. Tsuki girls are wonderful just don't put them in the same room at the same time
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>>123920001
>Tsuki girls are wonderful just don't put them in the same room at the same time

I've said it before, Shiki needs to just fuck all his girls at once and let them all bask in the afterglow together, wombs dripping with his semen.
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>>123920001
The main problems are Ciel and Akiha, due to their extremely stubborn and confrontational personalities.

Arcueid tends to be friendly with anyone who isn't a Dead Apostle, and is pretty jovial towards Akiha. It's said that if Shiki weren't a factor, then Akiha would probably like Arcueid quite a bit. It's not unlike the relationship Ryougi Shiki has with Azaka.

Hisui's too introverted so it's hard to tell how well she'd get along with others. Kohaku's the opposite; I'm not even sure if she's truly capable of "hating" anyone now. Her plotting and scheming weren't due to hatred, but simply out of a desperate need for some sort of "function".

Sion's said to be the rare type who can get along with all the heroines, in that she can act friendly towards them and they won't necessarily act hostile towards her in turn. Though it's hard to say if that's completely true. Arcueid doesn't seem to care much one way or another.
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Feels good loving the forgotten MC who nobody cares to argue about.
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>>123920139
I don't think Hisui would necessarily "get along" with Arc or Ciel as in become their BFF, but she'd definitely remain very civil with them. It probably helps that she's the heroine that enjoys the small moments with Shiki the most.
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I love her very much, and so does Japan. According to TM popularity polls she's only marginally less popular than Saber. It's just that most Ryougifriends generally aren't as loud about it as people who like other girls.
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That poll is a bad example, it was taken right after the last movie, that was the absolute height of her popularity. She's far behind now.
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