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Shokugeki no Soma

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>the college with the lowest retention and graduation rate is the best
Fucking Japan, that's not how education works.
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The "only the best shall graduate" attitude is reminiscent of the WWII Imperial Japanese naval pilot training program. Initially it was so rigorous that only about 100 men a year were being graduated, in a program that required 4-5 years.

In 1940, it was proposed that the pilot training program be made shorter, less rigorous, and more productive, in order to build up the pool of available pilots to about 15,000. This was rejected. Japan believed a smaller quantity of elite pilots was necessary to win what they believed would be a short war.

Naturally, once the war actually began, the Imperial Navy started losing pilots much faster than they could be replaced. For example, the 29 pilots lost at Pearl Harbor represented more than a quarter of the annual crop.

This led to a scramble to cut down on training time just to get more pilots into the air as fast as possible. By the end of the war the new Japanese pilots were no match for the American pilots due to lack of training and experience, and the Japanese pilots were reduced to having inexperienced but fanatical pilots crash their planes into USN ships in kamikaze attacks.

It's the same kind of retarded NIPPON SPIRIT nonsense here, the attitude that the best training is one that causes most of TFW cohort to drop out because they are scrubs, instead of one that brings as many as possible up to standard.
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Why can't people just shut up and enjoy the foodgasms?
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The name Soma just reminds me of Brave New World.

>>123564812
It's so hard to do well because it's so good. Even dropouts do well in the cooking world or something.
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>>123565602
Why don't they just raise the standard of admittance so they don't waste money on half-training the 90% who can't handle the course?
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>>123565649
Because it's a manga about foodgasms
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Does the author have a culinary consultant or is this to cooking like Black Jack is to medicine?
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Does the author have a culinary consultant or is this to cooking like Black Jack is to medicine?
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>>123565649
They'd lose money
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>>123565100
Basically this. They justify it by saying the school operates at the highest levels so you need to get on their level or drop out.
It's fucking high school, not even close to the highest levels. It's ridiculous to cut people's careers short at such an early stage.
But this is a nippon manga so it's how it works.
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>>123566205
>>123566247
It has a separate author, artist and consultant.
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>>123566366
>It's ridiculous to cut people's careers short at such an early stage.
It's stated in the manga that even those who drop out go on to be big in cooking
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>>123566421
>Morisaki Yuki
http://shokugekinosoma.wikia.com/wiki/Yuki_Morisaki
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>>123566366
Reminds me of college.

40 every year enter the degree program.

5 graduate on time.
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Why didn't red-haired Kirito just call the cops?
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>Engetsu Teahouse
Quality subs there CR
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>>123566464
>10/10 chef model as consultant
>hentai artist as illustrator

oh this is all going swimmingly
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>>123566535
What's he going to say? There's no proof that they ruined the food.
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>>123566535
Because it's not about the law, it's about food.
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>>123564812
Maybe the people who clear the admittance standards just can't match some godly high graduation standard? Maybe it's something like 'I may have failed at X, but people who graduate at Y can't even get into X'
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>>123566247
Didn't he have an actual degree in medicine?
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>>123567273
A school is not supposed to be somewhere that you go to such that failing out of it is considered an achievement.
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Threads get better as the season goes on right? I can't stand the anime only faggots crying 'eww fanservice' etc.

>>123566205
Tezuka had a medicine degree though. Obviously the manga was fantasy-esque so that didn't apply.
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I figure some suspension of disbelief is in order. There are a number of institutions where the low percentage of people who pass is a feature, as only the best succeed: see special forces for the most people, the SAS advertise on the basis that 'you probably won't get in unless you are the best'. Making the food school like this is an amusing twist.

If you're complaining about that, you might as well question how the MC's inability to cook a nice steak following their kitchen being ransacked could in any way constitute a legal mandate to close down their business. Or how some promise by the MC (not even the owner of the establishment) could in any way be considered a legally binding agreement.

Who cares, making things overly dramatic is amusing.
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>>123568199
It's also a shounen manga in SJ with silly foodgasms. It's not exactly serious business manga old people running the world type thing.
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>>123564812
>that's not how education works
Yeah, but Asian can't into education
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>>123565100
Unlike fighter pilots, chefs are generally not being killed faster than they can be trained.
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>>123569435
>chefs are generally not being killed faster than they can be trained.
Nigger you know nothing about cooking.
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>>123566635
Have we seen them learn any tea ceremony at all?
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>>123566535
>red haired kirito
More like Kirito voiced Shirou.
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>>123571198
sauce pls
and would the holy grail grant the best wine there is?
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>>123571756
Look it up in the archives you lazy bum.
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>>123564812
Unless they make a killing off of enrollment fees or donations or something. They'd have to be churning out some serious cooks for a failure's relative to even consider bribing them with a ridiculous amount of money.
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>>123572072
They are to the food industry as what Microsoft/Google/Apple is to the software industry if you haven't figured it out by now.
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>>123572072
The first episode shows tons of rich people lining up so I guess they get paid a lot, as well as producing the best as you see in the manga and probably next episode.
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>Expecting a WSJ series to be realistic
>Triggering your autism over a shonen manga's authenticity
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>>123572630
I wonder if anyone reading/watching it can even verify the food facts this series spews out.
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>>123572072
I don't think fees have been mentioned in the manga so far, I assume they make a killing off sponsorship deals, since their reputation is to turn out the world greatest chefs.
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>>123572894
They can just Google it.
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>>123572944
>not remembering how expensive Erina's consultation fees are which is part of her regular job ever since she was little
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>nips behaving like this about school
It's not like there's an abundance of young people in Japan to compete with.
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Remember, half the manga so far has been on a stupid tournament arc that had nothing to do with training chefs, just showing them off to various gourmets.
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>>123569435
>chefs are generally not being killed faster than they can be trained
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>>123568987
Japan, Hong Kong, and Singapore can into education, for both obvious and less-obvious reasons.
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>>123573186
Don't students come from everywhere to attend that school?
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>>123573377
They can do cram to insanity education, but they can't do think outside the box education.
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>>123569435
What pussy ass cooking are you doing
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>>123564812
My little OP can't be this autistic.
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>>123565602
>Soma is the drug that brings happiness
>Soma's cooking brings people to orgasm

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams because Mozart is still alive.
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>>123568199
You see this a ton and it has always made no sense to me

IF YOU LOSE NOW YOU WILL GIVE UP AS THE OWNER/LOSE THAT SWORD/GIVE UP YOUR GIRLFRIEND

it especially annoys me when the main character accepts a gamble with no decent return..

so if I lose I'll give up all my livelyhood, but if I win I get nothing?
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>>123565100
I actually liked the katanah metaphor for Souma's fish dish. Nippon stronk aside, the way the katana had to be folded over a thousand times to compensate for the horrendous quality of the raw iron found in Japan (extracted from iron sand) is a good analogy for how he had to process his fish to compensate for the fish itself being inferior to muhgodnose-kun and Kiba's.
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>>123564812
What are you? Amerifat?
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>>123565479
because we're not [mentally] 12 anymore
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>>123573730
Yeah you're 14 now and get ticked off any time something doesn't meet your expectations of how things should be and spend hours rambling about it. Just 2 more years and you can be as cool as tumblr.
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>>123572894
The potato wouldn't have that golden-brown color on episode one.
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>>123574063
Do you know what the word verify means? You forgot to get a trip Ramsey.
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>>123572894
Potatoes are starchy and not very porous, they wouldn't soak up the meat juices that well.
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>>123574132
Well, I can also verify that eating wouldn't make you orgasm and rip your clothes apart unless it is laced with some meds/drugs. That way, we can safely assume Soma's dad deals LSD as a side-job.
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>>123574178
Wasn't that the reason he added mushrooms and onions?
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>>123573681
>but if I win I get nothing?
He betters himself as a cook?
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>>123574213
You can but you haven't. Just saying so doesn't make it so, please stop cheapening words.

This guy >>123574178 did a better job than you, though it's still not a complete verification.

And no, I don't think it's remotely realistic.
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>>123574350
I can say it in red if you want proof so much.
Or you could try cooking it yourself and see how it turns out.
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>>123574419
>Or you could try cooking it yourself
Not him, but I'll be damned if people actually made the shit he makes.
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>>123574419
Are you so dense you don't realize how to source your claims despite being on the internet? I hope you've never taken law before otherwise I can't see how any school could get away with passing you.
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>>123574485
Yuki makes a few of the dishes in the series, like the roast in episode/chapter 1. It was on one of their blogs. I mean the ideas are all hers to begin with.
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>>123566205
Tezuka was a fucking doctor dude. Black Jack being medical fantasy was just him fucking up with both aspects of his life.
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>>123574489
I wonder how you function on society if you're like that. Here, I'll give you an example using something you're familiar with
>This burger includes lettuce, tomatoes and bacon?
>DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF TO BACK THAT UP? I WON'T BELIEVE YOU UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY SOURCE

>Sir, I'm afraid we need to make an urgent surgery for you to live
>NO, I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE THAT STATES I NEED THIS, WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE YOU?
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>>123574647
Thanks for sperging out and using extremely poor analogies, now we all know you're a retard and not worth replying to.
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>>123574743
Sorry, I thought I had to go to this level to make analogies that even a person like you would understand, but I see it was still proven too difficult for you.
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I love overdramatic shit.

But the whole bet with that landshark girl was just stupid. Soma had no reason to anything. I would just had called the police escort them out of my property.
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>>123574865
>A country that literally allows organized crime to own buildings and businesses in public with barely any cover is incorruptible
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>>123574959
C'mon it's not like mafia things. They even admitted that they destroyed the restaurant. There's a border for everything. This is just shitty writing.
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>>123575098
Silly gaijin has no honoru, depending on others to pretect his property and punish his enemies.
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>>123572894
http://busycooks.about.com/od/howtocook/a/potatoscience.htm

Potatoes are all about starch and water; the cooking method controls the reaction between the two.

As a high-starch potato is baked, the starch inside the potato absorbs water from other parts of the potato and swells, making a space between cells, creating a mealy, dry texture.

When a potato is deep fried, pan fried, or roasted, the starch on the surface expands, sealing the edges and the surface, creating a crisp crust and keeping the interior moist.

Boiling, or low starch potatoes, do not absorb as much water, so the cell structure stays intact, and the potato holds its shape.
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>>123575199
There's nothing to protect. There is literally no base for any of her demands. He could have just ignored everything she said at the beginning and later it was nothing but vandalism.
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>>123575320
But muh nipponese spirit won't be broken.
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>>123575369
She basically just went into his restaurant and was like:
>Give me your restaurant
Then she vandalized it in the night.

No nippon would react with:
>If I'll give you good food you'll go away if not I'll give you the restaurant
and basically make a contract with her.

It doesn't matter how spectacular a setting is, there should still be some credibility in the setting itself.
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>>123575513
Soma said that if he couldn't serve a customer he would close up. Japanese culture, even anime, tends to put a lot of emphasis on honor and keeping his word. He cannot chicken up after he said that, no matter how many easier ways to get rid of her he had. This is an extremely common thing on anime.
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>>123569435
idk dude many an accident can happen while cooken some noodle
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>>123571198
>red haired Kirito voiced Shiro

wut
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>>123575738
The most reasonable way would be just to say, "Yes, but we don't look remotely open right now, do we?"
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>>123577811
Is he even allowed to serve a customer if his dad closed up the shop?
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>>123564812
>Fucking Japan, that's not how education works.
What?

This is postsecondary education. It's not some kind of fucking stupid escalator school.

Most highly competitive postsecondary institutions have a 50 percent graduation rate. They are supposed to weed out people who can't handle it.
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>>123578095
>This is postsecondary education. It's not some kind of fucking stupid escalator school.
Totsuki is literally a highschool for learners of highschool age. Of that year's intake, only Souma came from outside, the rest all escalated directly from the feeder middle school.
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>>123578095
>tfw in your shitty country universities shit out "specialists" no matter how badly they do because they get paid by the graduate
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Do people in Japan actually hold their bags like this? It's pretty fucking uncomfortable.
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>>123578221
It's not really that uncomfortable.
You're using your back and shoulders to lessen the weight on your arm.
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>>123578221
I've tried it before, it puts unnecessary strain on the wrist, and it's not even less taxing than holding the bag at the side. It just looks cooler, I guess.
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>>123564812
>>the college with the lowest retention and graduation rate is the best
Well it is if you want your diploma to worth something. Being selective as shit is the best way for people to take seriously the students who survived.

A fucking school who makes everyone graduated, how do you figure out if it's good or just easy ?
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>>123578315
>You're using your back and shoulders to lessen the weight on your arm.
This requires you to either slouch badly to let your back take more of the weight, or murder your wrist so your posture doesn't kill your back. It's a no-win situation.

>>123578425
How about having tighter admission requirements so you can pass maybe 50-60% of the cohort instead of 10%?
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Both the OP and ED are kinda disappointing.
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>>123565100
Yes because the "only those who pay shall graduate" attitude is soooo much better.

I'm glad I'm french, university is free but not everyone magically graduate. In some field, like Law it's even a killzone with only 30% success the first year. Medecine is worst (because there's a national quota)
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>>123578463
>How about having tighter admission requirements
How is that just ? What are you requirements ? High School grades ? That doesn't mean shit depending on where you come from. Contest ? It's a big deal out of one single test to decide your future. On file ? Welcome nepotism, elitism and money ruining everything.
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>>123578505
>Medecine is worst (because there's a national quota)
I've heard that medicine is ridiculously easy to get into the course in France, but only 10% actually make it to the second year?
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>>123578593
Admission exams. You fail, you try a year later or go for something else, because you had a plan B. Right?
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Anyone who's read the manga knows Tootsuki doesn't actually teach its students anything.

What they do is set random insane tests every day that have three possible results:

1. You already know how to beat the test so you do.

2. You have an epiphany halfway through the test and beat it.

3. You don't know how to beat the test so they expel you.

See: Shinomiya's recette where half the ingredients provided were inferior, the challenge to make a buffet breakfast with eggs and surprises, the stagiare placements where all they're told to do is "make a difference".

At no point does the school provide any guidance or teaching, the students are expected to teach themselves.
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>>123578605
> ridiculously easy
Well yeah since anyone who finished high school can join

> 10% admission
Yes too, because the biggest selection happens on first year. There's a quota on how many doctors/pharmacists we want each year, that's called Numerous Clausus. It's too be sure the profession doesn't lose quality and to be less stressful after the first year.

But the first year is fucking Battle Royal

>>123578657
Well if you're gonna wait a whole year because you missed ONE exam, why not just giving them a chance to study a whole year in the school and try their hands at the first year exams ? Some people are much better in the long run.
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>>123578849
>Well if you're gonna wait a whole year because you missed ONE exam, why not just giving them a chance to study a whole year in the school and try their hands at the first year exams ?
Because they failed the admission and thus aren't worthy of it.
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>>123578812
This. It's barely a school, it's more like a giant contest and cooking opportunities to make a name in the profession. And that's not that stupid either for an elite school (students should be a bit older though but it's a manga).

It's just a shame the manga isn't exactly really knowledgeable about food and the cooking world. We also don't see any real cooks in it (even Yakitate no Japan had real personalities in it).
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>>123578812
I'm sure there are normal classes, and you don't just do all your learning within the Research clubs.
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>>123578909
> worthy
When you're supposed to teach people, you judge their worth on what you actually teach them, not of what they knew prior of joining.

I think the best system is free admission and extremely harsh final tests each years.
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>>123578812
Have we ever even seen a teacher? The top 10 and the post graduates are always the ones giving the tests / challenges.
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>>123578425
>to be worth something
The most prestigious university in the world also has one of the highest graduation rates. Having most of your students drop out or fail is not actually a sign of quality; it's a sign that you don't know how to choose suitable students. Only low admission rates are considered a positive.
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>>123579029
No. Admission exams and cutthroat finals.
The university I graduated from went from this to free admission and harsh finals, and then to free admission and laughable finals.
Now finding an actually competent graduate is incredibly hard and most companies simply don't employ them at all.
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>>123564812
So you never heard of elite military training schools with dropout rate of 90%+?
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>>123579083
>The most prestigious university in the world also has one of the highest graduation rates.
And you know why ? Because it costs an arm to enter. You can't ask people to pay that much and don't give them something in return. It's not the best system, it's just the best way to get money.
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>>123578812
It's the tried and tested Severus Snape teaching method.

Set a task and don't tell them how to do it, but if they don't do it then ten points from Gryffindor.
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>>123579181
that sounds very unproductive
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>>123579203
And yet Berkeley, a highly rated school that costs far less money than Harvard and similarly turns away almost all applicants, has about the same graduation rate.
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>>123579140
That's because there's competition between universities. An university wants to show high graduation rate to incite students to come (thinking it will be easier), so it will make more money for the university.

That's why public universities (without retarded policies) are, to my opinion, better because they don't give a fucking about their rate, they can be as harsh as they want (and most of the time teachers want to be harsh) and your diploma really means something... if you're in a serious field of course.
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>>123579230
Why would you send someone "average" in a dangerous battlefield ? It makes sense to only send only the best of the bests.

>>123579332
Because they don't want to scare students (and they need money at Berkeley too)
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>>123579393
>all high graduation rates are irrelevant
Okay, you're just being retarded now.
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>>123579230
works extremely well for the JTF-2
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>>123579393
then maybe you should teach better to make more people the best of the best
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>>123578849
You are kidding yourself if you believe University gets easier after the first year in France. Be it Medicine or Law, it stays as hard or even harder (in the case of Law).
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>>123579332
That's just logic. No matters how good you are at selecting people, you still can overlook some potential great students. If everyone has a chance, sure it costs more, sure it's not prestigious, sure some people will waste their time but you have make a better at looking for talented people and it's better social justice.

>>123579431
I didn't say that. High graduation rate can sounds good if you're looking at student (if i'm in, i'm good) or school (look, our teachers are so good everyone is graduating) point of view but for employers it's not really what you're looking for.
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>>123579558
And it doesn't get easier but the success rate goes up (especially in medecine, there's very few drop outs after first year. Law is different, you keep suffering every year) because the selection is already done.
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>all this bitching about a number the writer probably made up on the spot to sound cool
>putting way more thought into this than the writer
>in a shonen
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>>123579567
>you still can overlook some potential great students
If they didn't make the selection and the entry exam they aren't "great" and never will be. Letting everyone in is a waste of time.
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>>123579639
That's par for the course in every entertainment medium.
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>>123579460
>french
>go to war against anyone
What do they do all day eat frogs?
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>>123579607
>You keep suffering every years
You do Law, don't you? Law is special, you suffer right until you begins liking the suffering and decide to go for a PhD.
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>>123579671
>If they didn't make the selection and the entry exam they aren't "great" and never will be
That's where you're wrong. Many people can fail on one single day and then turned out to be genious in the long run.

It's the story of the teacher failing Einstein.
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>>123579776
I've study law during four years (I failed second year one time) and then decide... to study History. By the time I finished my law licence I was fed up with law.
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>>123579808
Special cases are not the rule.
Many people fail on one single day and are shit forever. You are wasting everyone's time because 1 in a million potential students can prove to be Einstein.
If he's really that good he'll find a way.
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>>123579927
You have also the case of people growing in shit environnement and, no matter how hard they studied, couldn't get a decent formation in middleschool and highschool. Opening first year of university is a way to giving them time to reduce the gap.
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>>123580042
If they really want it they will find a way. There is no need to lower the expectations just because some people have it shittier and have to put more effort into admission.
It shits up the first year, and eventually will cause more lenient exams because 90% of the retards admitted for free can't make it.
This is not the way to do it.
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>>123579808
You know that story's a myth, right?
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>>123580213
>If they really want it they will find a way.
Not really.
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>>123580213
>There is no need to lower the expectations
You don't. You just give more time before selections.
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>>123580521
And waste everyone's time which could've been utilised to actually teach those willing. Wonderful, really.
They have time before selections, and it's more than one year.
You see, education past high school is not a right, it's a privilege. You should actually make the admission and show promise before even starting it. If you don't, why even bother?
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>>123580439
For what reason? Because they are too poor to go to a public library?
If they can understand the material required for admission and are willing to learn, they won't have any problem. If they can't they have no place there and letting them sit and be stupid for a year won't change it.
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>>123579332
Harvard and Berkeley are two very different institutions. Educationwise they are on par but their student bodies are worlds apart. Basically you go to Harvard in order to build a social network. There are 3 kinds of people in HU: The Rich, Geniuses and "Fodder". Old money goes there to associate with other Old Families, while newer ones go there to get accepted to the inner circle. Geniuses go there because the faculty member/program they've been working/wanted to work with is there. Fodder is there because he thinks he is/can be the first two but he isn't. Fodder far outnumbers the others and they are the most of dropouts.Berkeley on the other hand is home to the Geniuses who simply didn't had the money to go anywhere else.

If you check their actual success-academic success that is- both Berkeley and Harvard is nowhere near top 3 as things stand. But thankfully for them there exist criteria like "Field Success Award's gotten since Founding". Other examples from the World that benefit from criteria like this: LSE, Marburg, Istanbul University, Sorbonne. Currently they are a complete shadow of their former selves.

Lastly low grad rates mean the product you are supplying is scarce, hence valuable. Especially when you are culling the weak students. Prestigious schools need this reputation.
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>>123580635
>You see, education past high school is not a right, it's a privilege
Maybe in your shit country
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>>123564812
>that is not how education works

That is how education works. The more difficult the examination and progress of lectures, the higher value the education has.

Quality>Quantity
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>>123565649
rough diamonds
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>>123566205
they have a pro-chef (who is also a model QT314) that do all the plates
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>>123582234
You have the right to pursue it obviously, but you have to prove you also have the capability to. Nobody forces you and if you don't have the capability you won't be able to do it. Simple as that.
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>>123582468
And she has to personally do them before they can appear in the manga.
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>>123580281
is real for Leonardo DaVinci, hell, many rich people now are college drop outs, see Gates
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>>123578812
>Anyone who's read the manga knows Tootsuki doesn't actually teach its students anything.
they do it off screen retard. gastronomy, chemistry, soma mentione how they learned world Full Courses, Busty loli gives a seminar about spicies. fuck you
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>>123578812
also, is an scalar school, most of em besides Soma and Aldini bros already got theoretical classes in Middle School division. highschool is more on hand practice, and personal research alone or in the clubs
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>>123583386
>scalar school
I've never heard this term before, and nothing relevant in the first page of google, is this something we just don't have in Canada?
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>>123583386
Aldinis entered during Middle school.
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>>123583518
metal fart, sorry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalator_school
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>>123583951
mental*
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