What old anime have you been watching recently?
That's right anon! The japanese were making Japanime, or "anime" for short, long before the futuristic year of 2000.
There's more than one?
Yeah there is the 2005 one and the 1996 one. I didn't realize the 1996 one was available in 1080p with subs though. Although you could have gotten the script from somewhere and the rip from somewhere else.
Watched the first 2 seasons of the original Space Battleship Yamato and one of its movies. Too bad I "dropped" it because the download of the third season I got from bakabt has shitty subs.
On a gundam binge lately.
MSG was actually great, despite the GENDUM moments. Zeta had great designs (Zeta Gundam itself was my favorite).
Kind of hard to go through ZZ for some reason. Probably because it's not anime.
>I didn't realize the 1996 one was available in 1080p with subs though.
It's not. It's 720p, & I times the audio & subs on myself from my DVD.
There's BD rips for the OVAs too, but don't bothewr. They cut off 25% of the image to make it 16:9 for retards who wouldn't buy it because of the black bars.
Picture related. Notice how the top & bottom of the image is missing.
& the original with the full image. It makes so many scenes look like closeups on people's faces.
The climate in Armitage III was very anti-robot but robot sex parlors seemed to stay in business. Men amirite.
>TFW 3GB episodes
How does /a/ deal with old shows being so huge?
Just make the space.
Does anyone know if the Sherlock Hound BDs are any good or am I wasting my time download cropped shit?
I think I will watch the film tonight actually was needing something getting the raws now.
The BDMV yes, I'm encoding it right now but it will probably take a few more days because it's huge, so slow to upload and slower to encode since it needs to be degrained a little bit.
>it needs to be degrained a little bit.
Can you just direct me to the original? I don't care if it's 30GB, I've got a 1440p monitor here & like my grain the way it is.
is there any way to do webms with subs? I've never done this before.
I fucking hate this shit so much. Why do so many people have problems with aspect ratio?
Back to the point, I've been watching Gunbuster, and I've got Gunsmith Cats lined up next.
Those who hunt elves was really funny I marathoned it a while ago. Had a great time. Something about 1990s anime slapstick adventure comedy gives me nostalgia.
Also going thorough the Gundam franchise.
Woah someone else likes it too? Didn't expect that.
Like the other guy said, easy to find BDMV.
Here's a screenshot comparison, exact same frame. http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/120358
It's not that different (esp. in motion) and even the Outlaw Star BDs had to be degrained and still resulted in massive filesizes. It's the same thing here.
p. sure it's mostly pd+share for mainstream shit (i never found anything i wanted there) or adc/u2 but i still don't have a u2 because hardly any invites and people who have them hoard them, so i rely on google
>tfw HnK is a shounen masterpiece
Never had a shounen make me cry and feel as much as HnK
I like the Musou games too but I'm a blind fanboy.
Watched the Blazing Transfer Student OVA. It was great.
Going through Votoms at slow pace, and I'm planning to watch Brain Powerd after that.
>try navigating baidu
>it's all in chinese
When you guys say Chinese cartoons you really mean it.
I have a hard time enjoying series before ~85. Original Gundam was probably amazing for it's time but it hasn't aged well, but I'm merely saying that because I didn't enjoy it. I dropped Rose of Versailles as well.
Hokuto no Ken was great although repetitive, not much of it was apparently made before 85. Late 80's had shows even an early 90's guy like me could enjoy easily. Like War in the Pocket and Gunbuster. I should probably give Zeta Gundam a second chance one day, dropped it after ~20 episodes because Kamille was annoying.
As boring as it may sound LoGH is still my favorite show. And I'm unsure as to whether I prefer the artstyle of the earlier episodes or the one in the Gaiden(which were partly made as late as the beginning of 2000).
Maybe I'm just a born pleb.
>p. sure it's mostly pd+share for mainstream shit
I'm under that impression as well. Every once in a while I get lucky and find some cool shit on PD that isn't on any of the English speaking sites or has long since stopped being seeded.
This shit hight here. The story is awful but I can't take it seriously anyway, so it's ac tully pretty enjoyable.
best i found after like an hour of searching for gankutsuou bdmv was two .partn.rar files. two total, and each for different discs. so yeah after that i just searched elsewhere and found another rip on baidu.
This, except I'm watching it for the first time.
Normalfags hate black lines on the sides because it doesn't make use of their futuristic HDTV's display capabilities and reminds them of those grandpa tvs.
They prefer them on the top and bottom. The thicker they are the more cinematic it is.
It was good, very good, i got some weird Shakespeare vibes from it, it's way better than the movies.
Perfect, i loved every minute of it, a 9/10 and only because the ending was a little too sudden and didn't really end anything.
Only old anime I've seen in the last 5 years is NGE. I cannot stand the old style of "detail for the sake of detail" which usually ends up being useless detail that detracts from the overall quality.
>the old style of "detail for the sake of detail"
I thought the goofy art style might be a little off putting but the show is more than enjoyable enough to overlook it.
Yeah, I only watched the first episode a few days ago and unlike all previous Macross series, it didn't hook me immediately. It's the longest one too as far as I know, so I don't know how I'm going to get through it quickly.
Started Layzner recently and I'm really liking it. The battles are especially fun. Seems like the setting is pretty similar to Aldnoah Zero actually.
The characters are usually fine, but the backgrounds often have randumb smudges thrown in to make it look (more realistic?) but only make the surface look dirty. Everything in old anime simply looks dirty, like someone had a mudball fight recently.
Take >>123564726 for example. That rock wall looks dirty. They added unnecessary details that detract from the scene. Also, so many hard lines on the character's clothing isn't needed, just add shadows without lines or don't do anything at all.
I'm not shifting the goalposts. You are demanding a less natural image.
The rock formation in >>123564726 shouldn't be distracting because it has barely any color compared to the character in front of it. If there were less detail you wouldn't even know what it was.
slowly slugging by way through doremi because I heard the suffering at the end is unmatched
>You are demanding a less natural image.
I am demanding a more natural image. Simply adding more, completely random, smudges does not make a background look more realistic. You should add the maximum amount of detail you are capable of ACCURATELY reproducing, no more. Random smudges are no more than useless noise.
I don't know why anyone would need to slug their way through doremi it is one of the most pleasantly enjoyable shows there is. If you don't enjoy it just stop whatever you are expecting isn't going to be the pay off you think.
It really is that much better when it's not about Goku looking strong.
I don't know what got changed in the subtitles but I'd just get the Kagura encode and mux in subs. There's no point in releasing one episode at a time for series that are already complete, he should've just uploaded subs on their own if he's limited my his home connection.
Watched Parasite Dolls a little while ago. Actually from 2003, but it's Cyberpunk so I guess that counts as being from an extinct era.
>he, he argues so solidly!
>He must be ignorant!
People like you are the scum of Earth. You run away from the slightest bit of conflict and dismiss what other people say without even thinking about the merits of their point. What a useless piece of trash you are.
I just finished Rose of Versailles the other day, and I have to say that I wasn't too inpressed with it. Despite whatever influence it may have had on anime/manga storytelling, I just sort of felt it was very underwhelming in a couple of aspects.
Maybe I should've read the manga.
I'm not going to put effort into educating people who are obviously ignorant and arguing about things they have no understanding of. Ignorant and misinformed people with little understanding of subjects often tend to be the most vocal and confident of their opinions.
Both of you obviously have nothing constructive to say on the matter. How foolish of me to think anyone intelligent might have been browsing /a/ right now. My attempts to bring the conversation back on topic multiple times have failed. Both of you are idiots.
Just finished this, what a legend.
>Actually from 2003
12 years old is pretty old for media, I would say. Eventually, I think people are going to have to realize that "old anime" isn't a constant, what old is changes with time. Soon enough, it'll unquestionably include 00s anime. I mean, in 2008, Eva would've been considered "old", yeah?
Hmm, I don't really get where you're coming from, not with that example. The rock wall is painted in a way to abstractly simulate the rough texture of rock while using shadows to give it depth. It's "dirty" because it's rock. Rock is dirty.
>"old anime" isn't a constant, what old is changes with time.
There's undoubtedly epochs though. 2000 marks an important change because it was when people started producing digitally (very badly).
So these threads are more about cel animation than about just old animation.
Old is contextual to the media itself though not to how close it is to current date. Anime has been made for TV for 50ish years I don't think defining everything made past the last X number of years in that context is particularly helpful. People tend to think of the 2000s as the last major change in anime production the switch to digital was occurring around then as cel animation died off.
It's fun I guess but I really want to get to the suffering
Then stop watching cartoons, dipshit.
I just finished watching O.G Casshews, man that was a lot of fun. I like the new one too.
Because DB is just a fun little adventure about a monkey boy with some good comedy and action going on, DBZ is almost entirely "muh powerlevels" which gets pretty boring eventually
Most anime has non-abstract depictions of people. Stop being obtuse. And it's on thing to maintain a particular style throughout the entire production, it's another to have abstract backgrounds and realistic characters. It's jarring.
You seem to think that abstract and realistic are the only two things in the universe; they aren't. Get some education you filthy pleb.
Same to you.
Oh boy, you haven't the worst of it yet
There is still Shuu and Juuza
They weren't Dynasty Warriors 4 tier good but still they are better than most Musou games out there, especially Hokuto Musou 2
Dominion: Tank Police
Revolutionary Girl Utena
OK, I really hate the example posted, but as I do not have a lot of old anime, it will have to do. These smudges are meant to simulate what? Shadows? Dirt? I cannot tell. There's not enough detail in them to tell what they are supposed to be. They added detail, but not enough detail. It winds up being either random noise, or worse in other cases, makes the shot look dirty. It looks like some artist with dirty fingers smudged the drawing.
It's ugly, and I hate it.
It is disgusting to me that young people just getting into anime seem to reject anime made before 2008 or so offhand on the grounds that it is "old"
I have heard from my friends still attending the community college I graduated from that the anime club screened Wolf's Rain and got a lot of the 18 year old freshman upset because it was "too old" and not from a current or recent season
Just because you're an unsophisticated Australopithecus doesn't mean I am. And it's fine if you like the older style. It rarely detracts from the plot anyways. I just find it jarring.
Those smudges represent nothing. It would be one thing if the entire anime was done as a water color, but to have such a low-level of detail in their background then a higher level of detail for the character is just retarded.
Utena was the last retro thing I watched but I liked it a lot though it got a little ridiculous towards the end but still a great watch for the visuals alone.
I might watch Hokuto no Ken soon since I read the manga a while ago but didn't really enjoy the last couple arcs after Raoh.
Porco Rosso, great movie might be the best of Ghibli's works
Also recently seen Grave of the Fireflies, Howl's Moving Castle, Ideon TV and Be Invoked
Also this anon here, I was thinking of archiving Lupin the Third and was wondering whether I should get the 46GB on bakabt that has all three seasons and films or whether I should just get the blu ray rips of each one, does it really make that much of a difference for older anime like Lupin?
>Just because you're an unsophisticated Australopithecus doesn't mean I am.
Very slowly going through Majokko Megu-chan raw. Torrenting it for a full month at 22kB/s was pretty worth it. It's super fun and cute. I am amazed at how well it aged. Almost tempted to learn Japanese for this show.
I thought I could handle old kid shows like Astro Boy raw, but holy fuck they speak fast, and they don't use simple vocabulary either. Modern SoLs are way easier to understand than old kid shows.
I just can't watch anime made before 1995, with a very few exceptions. Most of it is very silly and childish. Also I can't stand the old audio and crappy VA. Pretty much everything I enjoy in modern anime is absent in old anime.
>Just because you're an unsophisticated Australopithecus doesn't mean I am.
I'm going to remember this and use it like I thought of it.
That's called being a pleb but don't worry you aren't the only pleb on /a/.
It's the half-assed approach to detail, like adding color, but not texture. I find texture to be a lot more important in a surface. I'd rather a black-and-white with lots of texture than a bunch of color with no texture, in most cases. Those blobs are without texture.
They really don't. There is nothing random about shadows falling where they fall. And dirt tends to fall inside of the shadows for a very logical reason. The top of a rock is seldom dirty, or in shadow.
For a better example of old anime done right, see Hokuto no ken. EVERYTHING is dirty there. Dirty is the style choice. The characters are dirty, the objects are dirty, the backgrounds are dirty. It's a grungy, post-apocalyptic world.
Most people say Neanderthal, but they were thought to possibly be smarter than the humans that they coexisted with.
>Most people say Neanderthal, but they were thought to possibly be smarter than the humans that they coexisted with.
Being this autistic to substitute the word "Neanderthal" and then explain why you did it
Please see a therapist or a psychologist about your autism disorder
>It's the half-assed approach to detail, like adding color, but not texture.
Funny story, there is barely any color. It's all texture. You just can't comprehend it, apparently.
Look at that cobblestone. Why does the pink bleed into the blue? It's like the half-assed the blue. And why is some of the grass darker in color than the other grass? Is it a different type of grass? It doesn't look like a shadow.
Look at that sky. Why does the pink bleed into the blue? It's like the half-assed the blue. And why is some of the tree darker in color than the other grass? Is it a different type of tree? It doesn't look like a shadow.
1) I could be sand on top of the stones.
2) Too much contrast takes away the focus from the actually important things. Watch the lego movie for an excellent example of this. During the first 10 or so minutes, your brain has no idea what to concentrate on and everything just looks like a mess.
Too much projecting. Pretty sure my condition is ``not being a snob who watches every shit he can get his hands on''. If anything, I am the person with taste who is very selective about what he watches.
Watched all of these, and many more. I think I've seen like 20 or even more shows that aired before 1995.
>It's all texture.
Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texture_%28visual_arts%29 for a description of what texture is. The smudges are in lieu of texture.
If you like that style, it's fine. I don't. Just like I don't like the early 3D video games. Sprites are fine, but the early 3D just looks like ass.
Right now i am watching the Patlabor TV Series
after that i will start with the OVA if i ever find it somewhere in english
What are some old retro shows you'd want to see subbed? I wish Oishinbo, the TV series and Attack Number 1 both got subbed, both seem interesting but I don't think any group has picked them up yet.
>1) I could be sand on top of the stones.
Then where is the texture of the sand?
>Watch the lego movie for an excellent example of this
I had no problems at all during the LEGO movie. And if there's too much stuff going on in the background, perhaps they should equally remove texture and smudges. Leave them in balance with one another. >>123571079
I am fine with the sky. I've seen clouds actually look like that or nearly so, so there's nothing wrong with it.
I want Oishinbo too. Also Tetsuwan Atom, Tetsujin 28-gou, Jungle Taitei, Tadanari Okamoto films (esp. Okon Joururi), and all the films that won the Noburou Oofuji award. Some of them don't even have raws, because they were only released on an overpriced DVD set in 2000.
What is up with this stone? Why doe sit have vertical striping? It's not an inherent quality of the stone, as it carries on from one stone to the next, so it must be something that was applied after the stone was erected. But why the huge variation in color? It makes no sense. Better they just kept it all mostly uniform, or go the extra mile to actually make the stone individually variant. Am I seriously the only one that automatically picks up on this stuff and it just ruins the shot?
>I haven't seen a stone wall in my life
The detail isn't there for it. That would have to be highly polished stone to have it be that smooth. In which case, I doubt there'd be that type of weathering. Also, the top piece of stone has no such weathering. It's half-assed, at best.
Yes but he thinks that you should either be as basic an minimalist as possible flat one colour, or go so ridiculously detailed that you spend your entire budget on a wall and that no inbetween can be reached.
Autism is one thing,
but his autism is cupled with a load of ignorance of what real stones look like. So it is likely this person was never outside .
But really, if you reduce a weathered stone to a view paint strokes, it will look like this.
Anything more would have been to expensive money and timewise.
>one thing or the other
You haven't actually read anything I've posted, have you? As long as they add detail uniformly across both texture and shading/color it's fine. It's adding all of one or the other that is jarring.
Subs or raw? There are raw encodes that were uploaded somewhat recently. But no one seems to give a shit about subbing them, probably because of their lengths. It is sad because even if one group just did a couple of episodes it would be progress.
Someone uploaded some episodes hardsubbed on NT, but the torrent is dead at 97.something%. Other than that there is only the dub but that's not the full series. And episode 1 was subbed on an American release, but I don't think it is uploaded anywhere.
>But really, if you reduce a weathered stone to a view paint strokes, it will look like this.
No, it wouldn't. Your mind is clearly not set up to make such judgements. Unfortunately, mine is.
>Anime is not supposed to be realistic
Some anime is, some isn't. If you were watching Wind Rises and suddenly a monster from outer space attacked, you'd probably think it was shit, too.
Are any of the Masterpiece Theater series worth watching besides anne?
This is a great example of grass done right. No random blobs of green, but actual blades of grass being different colors. It's a good mixture of color and texture.
The dirt is... Well, it's actual dirt. There's enough rocks and pebbles to make my brain happy.
Pretty much all of them that are subbed are worth watching. Heidi, Girl of the Alps, Marco, 3000 Leagues in Search for Mother, Princess Sarah, Romeo's Blue Skies, My Daddy Long Legs, The Adventures of Peter Pan, Pollyanna.
Watching Robot Carnival, which is fine, but I shouldn't have watched it so soon after Genius Party Beyond. A couple of them so far have fallen flat.
Also watching LoGH: A Hundred Billion Stars, A Hundred Billion Lights. It feels good to be home, even if it is mostly hopelessly blatant fanservice.
Stop responding to the retard. He's either trolling or actually retarded.
To keep on topic, I've been working my way through LoGH. The scene where
Reinhardt talks to Annerose after Kirkiheis dies made me tear up.
It's a beautiful show in general. Really happy to have this in a higher resolution now.
You could try Heidi or Marco next if Anne was your first and you enjoyed it though considering they were also both Takahata directed.
There was no way I was watching it in the terrible quality version on bakabt when I saw the quality of the new raw.
Started rewatching this.
Time hasn't really been kind to the animation, and the story was obviously developed on the way, but still has that good old shonen mecha and adventure feel.
Nadesico and Ideon
Legend of the Gayass Homos for last pre-2k series, though I recently finished Desert Punk. Outstanding all around with an 11/10 dub.
A shame /a/ doesn't like talking about great anime if they can't have waifu wars.
It's been on my backlog for a while, and an older labmate from college actually recommended it as well. I know it's supposed to be a fantastic romantic comedy, but I'm afraid that watching a lot of seasonal anime that pull different ideas from the older prototype series will have exposed me to those elements in the wrong way, and may impact my enjoyment of it. Did you have any such problems while watching it?
There is one thing that it is blatantly overusing.
The trope of misunderstanding.
A lot of the plot is driven by it.
It didn't hinder my enjoyment of the series though.
So, if you can live with this fact, it is an enjoyable series, and I recommend it!
See, usually animation backgrounds where painted using brushes, masking tape, air brushes and sponges. Sponges is what Photoshops brush engine emulates in that it copies an image over and over in sequence.
So with a single sponge you can add texture quickly without having to render out the ass.
There is also wet-on-wet watercolor painting where the pigment dries and flows with the water, which can also be used for effects.
So "dirty" is not really the word you're looking for. It's more that it's alive under the restraits of it's medium and under its production requirements
This example is from Cartoon Networks Samurai Jack and drawn in a more Cartoon Modern kind of style, but it should illustrate what I mean.
Kill La Kills backgrounds where also painted with physical media.
Yeah, I've heard that it's a series based on misunderstandings which kind of scares me. Are they at least well thought out, or it is just like the current day stuff where all you can do is look at them and think "Are you retarded? If you said like 6 words to that person this entire situation would be completely resolved in a way that makes everyone happy."?
If it's the latter, that might really ruin characters I'd otherwise love.
also another pre-2000s anime that i am watching is royal space force.
what a great animation quality this movie has, makes me wish modern anime had such qualities!
Normally I'd disagree and say that you can't be so quick to judge, but given the time when the original came out, who made it and what kind of work it was, I agree with what you said.
Exactly. They were bright eyed and bushy tailed animators with so much to offer during the height of the bubble economy. You're not going to get another Honneamise or AKIRA these days.
Decided to re-watch Yamamoto Yohko a few days ago.
The recent ANN article about people working in the industry inspired me to go back and re-watch it. Forgot how much I liked this show.
I don't think really anyone is capable of it, the money just isn't there for that sort of stuff anymore. That's why OVAs became 12 episode series with cheaper budgets.
>or it is just like the current day stuff where all you can do is look at them and think "Are you retarded? If you said like 6 words to that person this entire situation would be completely resolved in a way that makes everyone happy."?
This one, at least for me. And it's such a shame since the characters have many nice moments, but they're ruined by Takahashi making them go full retard to make the manga last longer.
>We still get some really fantastic looking movies.
Yeah, but most of the ones with a "realistic" aesthetic end up dumping half of their budget into CGI and filters; most of the ones that have excellent animation and art are very stylized.
>This one, at least for me
Well fuck. I'll still try it.
>Yeah, but most of the ones with a "realistic" aesthetic end up dumping half of their budget into CGI and filters
Like what? I'm not sure what you mean?
What about 2000+ anime that basically looks and feel like <1999?
Made a patch to add Anonymoose subs to Kagura encode of Otaku no Video. Let me know whether it works or not if anyone tries it.
Kagura looks less grainy to me so I'm not sure which is better really but whatever.
It is mostly to do with that being the last major shift in animation production away from cels and towards digital meaning a dramatic change in the appearance of anime making a clear dividing line between that which was produced in a modern fashion and that which was produced in a old fashioned way.
>Anime is not supposed to be realistic
Except that I explicitly related to anime such as Azumanga Daioh, Haruhi Suzumiya and Cromartie High School when I was a teenager because the storylines and characters resembled my own experiences
Finally started LOGH; found the BD re-release on AB.
The world-building is absolutely amazing. That being said there's a lot of just plain retarded stuff. Like using hand-to-hand weapons 1500 years in the future; not just any hand-to-hand weapons either. Every solider is trained in battle-axes. What the fuck?
I've been watching Cowboy Bebop for the first time.
Okay, it really is as good as you've all been telling me for the past decade.
Am I the only one who went out of Logh with kircheis as their favorite character? Especially if you watch the gaiden you just gain so much respect for him, I'd even say hes more capable than reinhard just lacking the charisma.
The slow blade penetrates the shield
Only the small handful of episodes with Vicious are actually good
Cowboy Bebop would have been much better as a short OVA series revolving almost solely around Spike confronting his past in the Red Dragon Syndicate
>Wear armor that protects you against physical weapons and get killed by death rays and bullets without getting a chance to do anything
>Wear armor that protects you against death rays and bullets and get the chance to fuck people up with an axe
Seems like a pretty sound choice to me.
It's just kind of contradictory I suppose. Like they have technologically superior weapons like thor's hammer and what not but at the same time resort to using battle-axes like its the middle ages.
>We should build a blaster that can penetrate that armor. Nah fuck it, let them use axes.
I finally got around to watching MD Geist like /m/ told me to earlier this week. I can see why it's so polarizing, it's either love it or hate it but one thing that cannot be denied, that soundtrack was fucking awesome.
IT'S THE ONLY CRAZY GAME
Early 2000's stuff is considered old too
Most anime was always garbage, picking the best shows from 50 or so years of history and then complaining about the ones from the last few years in comparison just makes you look stupid.
At a final size of ~16GB as it is heading towards, plus the size of audio, it would be as big as the most 'bloated' encodes of Ghibli films (which tend to be cleaner).
Unfortunately I have to agree with this guy. He gets it.
Most anime today may be shitty manga/LN adaptations but a lot of the older ones were originals that wound up as incomplete messes.
>build a blaster that can penetrate armor designed specifically to resist said blasters
You have any idea how much time and money that would cost, especially in the middle of a war, when you can just hand your dudes a bunch of motherfucking battleaxes and tell them to go crazy for a mere fraction of the price? Really, that's the logical outcome.
But on the other hand, mankind has been coming up with better ways to avoid getting beaten/chopped/stabbed/etc. to death for thousands of years and we've gotten pretty damn good at it.
I can't remember if the axes were anything special, though.
It just seems pretty obvious to me that if you compare 50 years to say 2 or 3 you are going to get a lot more shows that are better in the 50 years because it is fucking 50 years compared to couple. It is a redundant statement really. Not to mention that people will only ever be watching the good shows from the past that people have bothered to actually subtitle because they were recognized as great classics where as the trash has just been forgotten and left unsubbed. Compare that to now where you have pretty much every single show being released in a season subbed it is a lot more likely you will pick a dud from spring 2015 that going back into the past.
The reason why 90s anime is so good is because everyone has forgotten the trash that was being made at the same time.
In the early 90s people on usenet were moaning about the OVA format killing anime but looking back that was how some of the best shit was produced.