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I have a feeling I am missing a some banners that changed. If anyone has caught them please e-mail me

Likewise e-mail me if I have missed anything, I probably have it in my folder and didn't upload it (lots of files to sort through)

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5W2dlrihUoQfjFlTUxDMjJFeDY0UGVfcUhTLS1FdDgzbWhRNFBvd1ZrT2V3aG5yOHpub0E&usp=sharing

I'll later up the html files and whatever to that folder.
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Thanks for that.

Threads seem to be dead for this now.
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Your work is greatly appreciated.
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>>123376580
any chance they'll take those twitter accounts down anytime soon?
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What happened with shirou and the court case anyways?
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>>123378012
First one he son. The Rin one not even got to start.
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>>123378086
>>123378454

Have to say the twitter event was honestly pretty damn fun. And I'm guessing from what Nero said is that they'll probably bring her back for next years event as well?

CCC2 when?
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I like Type-Moon's new web page layout.
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>>123379111
Stop avatarfagging and use other varying reaction images, anon. Mods might not like it.
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>>123376580
I didn't have time to follow it, so your work is greatly appreciated.
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>>123376580
You're doing god's work.
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>>123376580
This is what you get you fucking slut.
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Why is Sakura almost as popular as Saber now? was it her slutty profile picture?
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>>123380213
She got a good bunch of popularity over the years in Japan. They already remarked it quite a few times.
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>>123380213
>>123380373
I'm kinda confused whether it was BB or Sakura.
Because she was talking about CCC2
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>>123380429
She was old Sakura. Here BB was just a role she got in a game.
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>>123380429
Did she have worms? if answer is yes, then it's Sakura, if answer is no, then it's BB.
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>>123380429
In this thing, BB was a character she played in a game, they basically didn't made a distinction.

She was Rin's sister, Shirou's senpai, Rider's Master and all of that. BB only existed as a role.
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>>123380213
She was never unpopular. She still is one of the 3 heroines in one of the biggest VN of all time.

She was always in Saber and Rin shadow but she has been making a rise over the last 4-5 years.

>>123376580
Thanks again
Do you still need the files from 2013?
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>>123380562
>Shirou was her senpai
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>>123380589
I got an e-mail from an anon with the files.
Thanks though!
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>>123380429
As much that would make angry to some people, Japan and TM only see BB as another manifestation of Sakura, even with all their differences.
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>>123380589
She was never this popular. She's one of the 3 main heroines but she never makes it top 5.
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>>123380652
Cool

Just wished we had a video of the last event from 2014.
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>>123380708
She made Top 10 in the poll for all the TM characters, so that means she is popular enough to be there. The HF movie thing probably gave her a new boost.
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>>123380707
I doubt Japan's ability to read.
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>>123380797
Well, even the company who made them does that.
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>>123380708
She came in 8 in the last one and that was during F/Z airing and look at the people that beat her.

She came in a good spot in comparison
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>>123380796
And now the manga.
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>>123380839
And?
It's a wonder they treat Nero as a different person.
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>>123380868
She's technically 9th. Gil got fucked over by the split.
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>>123380733

The KanColle and Nico livecast? Isn't that on YT?
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>>123380873
Drawn by Japan's only Zoukenfag featuring cute Shinji
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>>123376580
Did you get the Zodiac AF sent to you?
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>>123380887
Nero got a different seiyuu, measures and everything.
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>>123380921
No we are not doing this shit again.

That ended in 2012 and we are not going to bring this up again.
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>>123380796
>>123380868
Should we expect her to rise even more with HF? Won't japs get disillusioned when they learn about her lost purity and all that dark shit
she hides? I mean, those guys fuck up idols/seiyuus careers just because they are seen dating people.
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>>123380945
As I said it's wonder that they do.
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>>123380921
It was the same for everyone, so he is 9th. Those were the rules.
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>>123380971
Type-moonfags don't care about that as much.

If that is your main concern then you are not enjoying the work.
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>>123380971
Will depend on the movies.
She got a pretty big boost because Zero had her as psycho-loli.
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>>123380950
I don't know what you're talking about. I'm only pointing out she earned less votes overall. Kirei got it even worse.
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>>123380733
I can only find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyxME9uC_Sc&noredirect=1

I love Nero and apparently TM do too.

>>123380942
I did, thanks!
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>>123380971
They don't care at this point, Zero made all of that clear. Only the worse portions of 2ch actually care about that.
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>>123381046

Here's this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hCAm3xikJA
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>>123381039
Sakura is a horribly written character yet I still was able to enjoy HF.
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>>123381050
>Only the worse portions of 2ch actually care about that
And /a/, of couse.
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>>123380999
What matters is the amount of votes, not whether she's 8th or 9th.
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>>123380935
The Matou family doujins were actually really funny.
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>>123381081
There is one more video of a radio show that is long gone.
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>>123381081
Oh yeah, that one too. It had slipped my mind.
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>>123381095
Because Shirou, Rin, Illya and Kirei are at the peak of their development.
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>>123381050
Well there many reasons to dislike Sakura

Our first look at Sakura chronologically is in Distortion. Much like in Zero’s first scene, the information we get is twisted, this time by Shinjivision. However, we can get the following fact from it.

>Sakura knew that magecraft was a big deal for Shinji, and hid from him that he was being fooled. Her knowing that it was important to him is obvious from:
>A) the fact that she avoided looking him in the eyes.
>B) Her repeated apologies on the matter.

At the beginning of the Grail War, the following is true of all routes

Sakura knows that Shirou is part of the Holy Grail War. Despite this, she never talks to him about it despite the fact that it’s immediately obvious to everyone that he’s out of his depth.

So, Sakura is willing to let Shirou, someone that she loves, get into a fight to the death without proper information because she’s afraid of what he’d think of her.

In fact, Sakura takes no actions whatsoever toward the Holy Grail War unless Shirou shows a romantic interest toward her. This includes multiple cases of Rider killing Shirou throughout the routes. She could have just told Rider not to attack Shirou.

Now, in fairness, she did make Shinji promise not to kill Shirou in Heaven’s Feel. However, that doesn’t really reflect well on her as a person, because it means she only cares enough to do so if Shirou picks her over Rin and Saber.

This leads us to the next thing about Sakura common in all the routes.

She knows about Bloodfort, and ignores it; basically dooming everyone else in the school to die to avoid getting hurt herself. (And, really, she probably wouldn’t even get hurt if she didn’t let it happen considering it’s not like Shinji can bypass Rider and I doubt Zouken cares.)

Specifics of Zouken caring or not aside, I don’t think anyone can say that letting an entire school get melted when you could prevent it by all of telling Rider not to do that is the action of a good person.
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>>123381117
Yeah, but even if it fucked him, it was a thing for everyone. They decided to split votes like that before they made the poll, so those were the results following the rules.
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>>123381142
Did Tamamo just fart?
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>>123381165
Onward to Heaven's Feel.

Sakura doesn’t acknowledge the Shadow’s actions as her own until Nightmare, awakening, so until that point they can’t be used to judge her character.

Let’s thus move on to Matou Sakura (IV). That scene gives us two more facts.

Sakura, while willing to let Shirou kill her, still manipulates his emotions to stop him from doing so. That is to say, Sakura herself doesn’t think she should die; her guilt in that scene comes from manipulating Shirou. She only accepted that, if Shirou wanted to kill her, it was probably correct.

On to Last Piece, in which she murders Shinji. Now, Shinji was pretty nuts by that point so let’s not pass judgment on the act of killing itself.

Sakura, after killing him, feels no guilt and only thinks that she should have done so earlier.
She realizes fully at that point that she killed all those people as the Shadow, and her reaction is to find it funny and think that she should keep going. The scene even makes it a point to note that this is her own will.

>The girl’s consciousness ends here.
>No, to be more accurate, it changes.
>It’s merely that her subconscious has risen to the surface.
Those are thus definitely Sakura’s actions and thoughts, and by consequence the events of Sacrilege – Sisters (VI) are as well. To her credit, she does hesitate just short of killing Rin so I guess that sequence of events just has Sakura enjoying torturing someone weaker than herself while on a power trip and then trying to kill both Shirou and Rin.
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>>123381142

What was it about?
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>>123381178
Wasn't some of it actually done while the poll was ongoing?
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>>123381165
>>123381204
We are really devolving into pasta?
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>>123381204
Death of a Saint doesn’t add anything of note, aside from once more affirming that yes, this is definitely Sakura and not someone controlling her.
After Rin opts not to kill her in Sister (VII), things change again.

Sakura feels guilty for having killed (or not, but she thinks so) Rin, someone who was just nice to her and proved that she loved her. Now Sakura is willing to kill herself, and Angra Mainyu starts taking action.

We reach the first end, Cherry Blossoms Dream.

Sakura certainly does feel guilty to the point that she basically goes into nutty denial mode, but only at Shirou’s death.Notably, not once in the VN does Sakura seem to actually feel guilt for anyone’s death except Shirou and Rin...and even then, only if Shirou and Rin were being nice to her at the time they died. (She sure feels no remorse for torturing Rin in Femme Fatale.)

So yeah, all evidence seems to point to Sakura only caring about people’s lives if they’re people she both knows personally and that are nice to her all the time.
The closest thing we get is her vaguely mentioning guilt in HF’s True End, but that’s all; no sign that she felt motivated to do anything by that ‘guilt’.

So in summary: Stops herself from feeling anything at the death of people she knows, makes no effort to save Shirou unless he reciprocates her love, lets Shinji gello the school they go to, feels no guilt for killing tons of people, enjoys torturing people she doesn't like, and only shows regret if she kills someone who shows that they loved her at the moment she kills them.

Yeah, I think a case can be made that Sakura is a pretty awful person.
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>>123380589

I could use the 2013 files..
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>>123381165
>>123381204
>>123381247
Everyone, abandon thread pasta has come.
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>>123381165
>>123381204
>>123381247
This is great pasta. It's almost like the one who wrote it wasn't trying to produce bait.
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>>123381158
Meh Shirou and Rin are better in UBW.
The Climax of HF was extremly intense though
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>>123381277
>Pasta has cum
Now I wouldn't want that.
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>>123381290
And as if it wasn't full of opinionated stuff.
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>>123381295
I like Rin, but I think she deflates a bit in UBW nearing the end for some reason. I don't quite know why.
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>>123381413

She's fun though.
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Anyone have a translation of Mordred's Infinite Combo?
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>>123381413
I actualy don't know what you mean.
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Does this taste good?
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>>123381295
>Shirou and Rin are better in UBW
They are quite badass in UBW, but their characters are better fleshed out in HF.
Shirou finally reaches an answer to his ideals dilemma and we get to peek into the depths of Rin's personality and history, seeing both the good and the bad things she hides.
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>>123381413
Because once her conversation with Archer in the Einzbeirn manor is over, she's almost competely irrelevant in the story concerning Shirou or Archer's characters up until Archer disappears
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>>123380733
>>123381046
I'm fairly confident I have the 2014 April Fools videos saved somewhere. I'll have a look and see if I still have them.
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>>123381241
Anti-Sakurafags really hate it if people like this character that we're all supposed to hate.
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>>123381193
Nah, she just grew a futa dick with her magic.
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>>123381413
Because she gets the tsuntsun literally fucked out of her.
Her peak in UBW is the fight against Caster and when she makes a contract with Saber, but her last moments with Archer are a high point too.
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>>123381552
Sorry but I just disagree with you.
Most of Rin's personality is explored in UBW.
The only thing HF adds is showcasing her "darker"/"colder" side.
>Shirou finally reaches an answer to his ideals dilemma
That's in UBW.
In HF he throws it away
Please let's not go UBW vs HF
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>>123381675
UBW points the thing more than giving a clear answer (the answer in UBW is more to Archer than Shirou), but I agree.
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I want to fuck Illya.
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>>123381675
>The only thing HF adds is showcasing her "darker"/"colder" side.
HF explores her relationship with her sister, her family history, how she felt when growing up, how she hid her true personality behind a mask, how she deals with the burden of being the supervisor of Fuyuki, etc. We also get the closest to see her maximum potential as a magus and her possible futures.
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>>123381797
Are you implying there exists a "clear" answer?
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Daily reminder that Nasu said HF is the most canon route.
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>>123381858
No, of course not. Even in the Taiga Dojo they said that HF only gives a practical application of a possible answer.
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>>123381843
>her family history,
What points do you mean?
>how she felt when growing up
I am actualy pretty sure that was said in UBW
>how she hid her true personality behind a mask
That's a like a very major point in UBW.
>how she deals with the burden of being the supervisor of Fuyuki,
I don't remember that part
>We also get the closest to see her maximum potential as a magus and her possible futures.
What do you mean with that?
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>>123381843
Rin felt completely out of character with how she acted towards Sakura in HF. The Rin we got to know in Fate and UBW is not the same character we saw in HF.
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>>123381886
Just go away
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>>123381970
No, she was just hiding herself under the cold mask that we see a lot in UBW. The situation was just more extreme.
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>>123381970
The worst part was when she early in the route points out that the shadow is mostlikely an anomaly with the greater grail and that's completly ignored and never brought up until the end
>that we see a lot in UBW
I'd say that UBW has the most focus on Rin without the "mask"
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>>123381886
Nasu never said that, but it doesn't matter anyway. HF was the final ending for Fate and the only one that actually mattered. Everything else was just to set up everything that was needed for it to be good.
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>>123382079
second part to >>123382032
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>>123382084
But HF true is absolutly atrocious
You're also wrong about pretty much everything
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>>123381970
>Rin felt completely out of character with how she acted towards Sakura in HF.
Nope, exact same
>my sister may be a dangerous threat
>act like a cunt towards her
>try to eliminate her if things go wrong
Standard Rin.
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So i missed the last hours of the event, what happened?
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>>123382032
That "mask" was just an excuse to make her act like a different character. It was forced and it's the worst part of HF.
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>>123382079
>I'd say that UBW has the most focus on Rin without the "mask"
Because it breaks early and her intents to put it again fail miserably. She is just better at it in HF, and even Shirou is not really fooled by it after a while.
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>>123382161
come on.
>>123382184
That's not the Shadow
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>>123382184
It is the very thing that gives Rin some character outside being a fun tsundere girl. Her whole magus-human duality.

It also the thing in her that ties with the theme of the whole VN.
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>>123382149
It is a standard end, there are far worse.
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>>123382216
There was nothing wrong with the shadow.

>>123382246
Doesn't matter. It was badly done and it's the same as taking her out of the story and replacing her with another character.
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>>123382216
>That's not the Shadow
I actually found the Shadow as an interesting mysterious threat.
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>>123382313
You are literally the first person I met who thinks that. It adds to the whole thing, to the point that we even get a redux in Zero with Tokiomi and Kariya.

Man, the Tohsakas and Matous sure a dumb.
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>>123382298
No the normal end was perfectly fitting to the story.
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>>123381811
Fucking maids how do they work
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>>123381947
>her family history,
>What points do you mean?
All the shit with Sakura, for starters. That's a big point. And there's also the goal of the Tohsaka family (2nd magic), their participation in the other HGWs, how they are related to Zelretch, and all that shit.
>how she felt when growing up
>I am actualy pretty sure that was said in UBW
It's a point in both routes. In UBW she discusses it with Shirou, and in HF with Dark Sakura.
>how she deals with the burden of being the supervisor of Fuyuki,
>I don't remember that part
As a magus, and the supervisor of Fuyuki she must kill Sakura, but her good nature holds her back and makes her struggle.
>We also get the closest to see her maximum potential as a magus and her possible futures.
What do you mean with that?
We get to see Rin at her peak power and we get a glimpse of how her adult life could be (all the London shit).
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>>123382407
It is good and well written, but there was no need for it nor it was necessary. I'm actually fine having both sides.
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>>123382407
The normal end was shit. True end of HF is exactly that, the True end of the VN.
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>>123382471
>>123382452
Nasu himself said that he originaly intended HF Normal to be the true end.
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>>123382517
It's bait again
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>>123382517
He said it was the thing he had in mind before he started, but once he wrote the thing he found that it wasn't exactly what fitted more now. So they did both.
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>>123382517
It was more than at first he thought it was the end the story would flow, but at the end he changed his opinion. It happens all the time when one is writing.
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>>123382450
>It's a point in both routes.
Than don't say it's added in HF.
>We get to see Rin at her peak power
No we don't.
>and we get a glimpse of how her adult life could be (all the London shit).
Not realy since we only see the trials she got in because of HF.
>As a magus, and the supervisor of Fuyuki she must kill Sakura, but her good nature holds her back and makes her struggle.
I am actualy pretty sure that's roughly the same conflict she has in UBW.
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>>123382517
That would have ruined the entire VN so I'm glad he changed his mind.
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>>123376580
I got this from the other thread:

>>123376868
http://imperialroma.cirnopedia.info/

It's an english mirror of the Imperial Roma website.
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>>123382630
>I am actualy pretty sure that's roughly the same conflict she has in UBW.
Yeah, but as we are saying in UBW is only given a little focus at the start of the route and thrown away.
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>>123382313
>There was nothing wrong with the shadow.

Nah brah, Nah. The Shadow was shit. It was just a convenient device to kill off most of the cast while having no character on its own, and it was basically the primary antagonist for a large chunk of HF.

In a story about heroes and legends from the battling it out, having all those replaced with The Blob isn't exactly compelling.
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>>123382709
from the past*
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>>123382709
But that is exactly the perfect enemy for a hero. The mysterious monster from the abyss that eats everything.
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>>123382707
So HF is showcasing her darker side just as I said?
Because UBW deals with her doing what she things is correct instead of doing things the "magus-way"
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>>123382709
It is as if you missed the whole point.
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>>123382702
Oh nice! Nice to see they made into a site instead of just translated images.
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>>123382777
Well, HF too, it is just that it takes her a while more to accept her own feelings. But that is what makes her great.
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>>123382778
Yea , I know, deconstruction of the grail war, blah blah blah, the servants weren't the important part of the story.

No, the fucking Shadow was shit though. It was just there to get servants out of the plot while just being an obstacle for the rest of the cast.
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>>123382811
>Well, HF too
No.
That's like saying HF is about Zouken remembering his goals and aspirations.
It happens in 1 scene.
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>>123382709
>>123382839
Medea is the primary antagonist for a large chunk of UBW, and she only does the shit she does because a whole bunch of people let her. She is a fucking joke and not threatening at all.
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>>123382883
Medea has personality, a character, and goals.

The Shadow was a blob that ate people.
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>>123382857
It is called build-up. All the mask thing was made for the scene it breaks to be more powerful. It is basic narrative.
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>>123382911
And it was more threatening, mysterious and interesting than her. Yes, it is that sad.

Also, you know from the fucking start that there is someone behind the Shadow. You also have Zouken around.
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>>123382915
The only reason it works in any way is because UBW and Fate already showed Rin when she isn't completly antagonistic.
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>>123382956
Well, the game create build-up across the routes. It is written with that in mind. Fate/stay night actually is a whole even with all the stupid route and waifu wars.
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>>123382943
>And it was more threatening, mysterious and interesting than her
No
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>>123382999
Yes. In the three actually.
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>>123382943
>And it was more threatening, mysterious and interesting than her.

Entirely disagree. It's a retarded means to an end. Nasu needed to take out a large chunk of the cast without having to write anything major to do so. The Shadow was just an obstacle. At least Medea was fleshed out.
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>>123382943
How are "threatening" and "mysterious" inherently positive traits? Those don't necessarily go hand-in-hand with good writing.
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>>123383027
Medea is a well liked interesting character. I mean just yesterday she was part the whole Tmitter event.

No one gives a shit about the Shadow.
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>>123383041
>>123383088
The Shadow ultimately is Angra Mainyu and Sakura. It is not even a character by itself. You are trying to create an straw man where there is not really one.

>>123383064
It helps to the third point, making something interesting.
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>>123383041
>Nasu needed to take out a large chunk of the cast without having to write anything major to do so.
But that is exactly what the Shadow is?
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>>123382630
>Than don't say it's added in HF.
HF adds more depth to it.
>No we don't.
Yes we do. Her last battle against Dark Sakura has her greatest feats so far. We can speculate she may get stronger in the future, but as far as the VN goes, strongest Rin is EoHF Rin.
>Not realy since we only see the trials she got in because of HF.
We see a bit more than that. Even Luvia makes a cameo.
>I am actualy pretty sure that's roughly the same conflict she has in UBW.
It's goes way deeper and it's way harder for her than in UBW. In UBW her good nature is an annoyance to her magus side, in HF it becomes a huge obstacle. Even when she actually manages to kill Sakura in one ending it's implied she will go mad afterwards, unable to deal with the guilt.
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>>123383175
Yes, you're proving my point. It is a device.

>>123383133
The Shadow itself holds no personality, character, or interesting traits. It's just an indomitable force that makes the cast job.
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>>123383222
Because it is not a fucking character, it is a power gone wild. That is my point. It is the same as complaining that a NP does not have personality.

You are not supposed to take the Shadow as a character, you are supposed to take it as that mystery that is being controlled by someone and is fucking the entire war.
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>>123383300
The problem is that non-character is the primary threat for most of the story, and easily takes out servants without adding anything onto its own.
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>>123383222
>>123383344
>The Shadow itself holds no personality, character, or interesting traits. It's just an indomitable force that makes the cast job.
> The problem is that non-character is the primary threat for most of the story, and easily takes out servants without adding anything onto its own.
Being something directly related to Angra Mainyu, one of the more important things in the entire Holy Grail War setting more than the actual Servants is now not adding anything?
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>>123383377
The Angra Mainyu isn't exactly a fully fleshed out character in HF either. It's something the cast has to stop from being born because we know it'll likely cause shit to hit the fan.
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>>123383088
Medea actually gets a lot of lip. She's better than the Shadow, but that's really not saying much, and neither is being featured in yesterday's event.
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>>123383377
Actualy no because Angra Mainyu isn't a character.
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>>123383344
>The problem is that non-character is the primary threat for most of the story, and easily takes out servants without adding anything onto its own.
It gives a sense that everything is gone wild, fear to the unknown and ultimately ties with the thing inside the Grail. I would say that it adds more to the whole story than some Servants.

>>123383426
>>123383469
It is still behind what is wrong with the whole war, something seen in all the routes and ultimately revealed through the Shadow action. Also, Kotomine is basically Angra Mainyu's spokeman, he is the same basically.
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>>123383469
You don't have to be a character to be something important in a story.
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>>123383507
>It is still behind what is wrong with the whole war, something seen in all the routes and ultimately revealed through the Shadow action.
Did you even read the other routes?
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>>123383542
Yes, because the corrupted Grail is not a huge deal in Fate in UBW at all.
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Looking through all the images from this year, makes me wish I had the images from the previous years.
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>>123383534
It helps to have a character when you're trying to argue that the non-character is a good character.
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>>123383575
So you realy didn't read the other routes.
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>>123383629
http://tatari.co.nf/
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>>123383639
I'm wondering if you did it now.

>>123383635
I always said that the Shadow is a non-character. I defended it as an interesting addition but I never called it a character.
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>>123383646
Sugoi!

>>123383575
Seriously? Shinji being an incomplete grail and about to wipe out all of humanity wasn't a huge deal? What classifies a big deal?
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>>123383639
Dude, the whole final battle in Fate and UBW features the corrupted Grail too.
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>>123383701
>I'm wondering if you did it now.
You should reread the end of UBW.
Because the Grail being a corrupted "KILL ALL HUMANS" is a pretty important part of it
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>>123383732
>Seriously? Shinji being an incomplete grail and about to wipe out all of humanity wasn't a huge deal? What classifies a big deal?
I was being ironic, anon.
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>>123383734
quoted the wrong person?
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>>123383774
Yes, and that was my point? Learn to irony.
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>>123383802
You're losing me here.
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>>123383507
HA shows us what AM is like, so know, Kirei doesn't work in that regard.

In HF, the Shadow, AM, they're all devices used to just push the plot forward. Things that need to be overcome. Whether or not you think that is interesting is your business though.
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>>123383856
I don't follow you either. Is basic irony, 4chan is full of it.

>>123383942
Yeah, HA fleshes AM as a character. Still, devices are not really something inherently bad even if people use the term as if it was.
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>>123383774
>>123383801
>>123383856
The other anon was trying to be ironic. He meant that by the whole corrupted grail thing in Fate and UBW being important, the whole Shadow thing in HF serving as a tie to the truth behind it makes it something that actually brings something interesting and relevant to the story.
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>>123383856
>You're losing me here.
His post was dripping with sarcasm, anon. It wasn't hard to realize.
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>>123383646
Thank you based anon.
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>>123383942
Same thing was said in CCC at one point that was said in HF, talking about the point

Angya isn't evil(not really anyway), Sakura wasn't evil, but two things that shouldn't have come together ending up coming together, and through no particular will from either party something that was a threat to mankind was born. It wasn't either of them, it's just that two things that shouldn't exist together ended up touching.

It's the whole innocent monster thing, the villain here wasn't evil. It's just about which innocent you'd do away with. It ties into the route meaning of "Angya Manyu", someone has to be sacrificed for the good of the world at times, there are always fewer chairs for happiness than there are people. It's a shitty system where innocents will be shafted at times when there is no real evil causing it, however that's reality.

You don't really get it if you think he was supposed to be fleshed out and given meaning in a sense. It wasn't by someones will that this was born, it wasn't someone's motive, it was an accident unto the world. Shadow came into existence by chance, not through an evil plot or malice.

Then Kotomine gives the whole anti-abortion debate and Shirou gives his rebuttal.
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>>123384219
>You don't really get it if you think he was supposed to be fleshed out and given meaning in a sense
Just because there's an in-universe explanation for why it's not interesting doesn't mean that part of the story gets a pass for having an uninteresting antagonist. I don't know what point you think you're proving here.
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>>123384219
>Angya isn't evil
He's the manifested wish to destroy mankind
That's as evil as you get.
>but two things that shouldn't have come together ending up coming together, and through no particular will from either party something that was a threat to mankind was born.
The grail is also a threat to mankind in Fate and UBW.
>there are always fewer chairs for happiness than there are people. It's a shitty system where innocents will be shafted at times when there is no real evil causing it, however that's reality.
Are you now realy comparing what the human "Angra Mainyu" has gone through with normal society?
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>>123384350
But that is just like your opinion man.
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>>123384350
It was interesting though

First half of the route played out like a horror story, with Shadow as the monster in a horror story.

You don't ask why Alien in the Alien movies is doing what it's doing, but you're interested in this beast that brings calamity yet has an urgent sense of mystery about it.
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>>123384412
He's correct though
I don't even get the point of your post
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>>123384399
>The grail is also a threat to mankind in Fate and UBW.
Not exactly in the same way. Angra Mainyu only will be born with the conditions in HF, Kotomine makes it clear. But yeah, the menace is there in all the routes.
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>>123384446
The point is that at the end is just that, an opinion.
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>>123384456
>Angra Mainyu only will be born with the conditions in HF, Kotomine makes it clear
I'd need a citation on that.
Because I only remember him being unable to be born in UBW because Shinji-grail
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>>123384412
No shit?

>>123384441
There are lots of shitty horror stories.
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Are you all aware this guy won't finish it?
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>>123384441
Horror movies are stale shit.
Comparing HF to one isn't in any way beneficial to your agenda.
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>>123384530
Are you well aware that you're a party pooper?
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>>123384399
Angya didn't just represent Angya, even if it was an extreme example at times he was at his core a concept that resonated throughout the game.

Rather because he was an extreme example he could resonate this concept that was shown throughout more clearly. Innocents will be shafted, it might not be evil, but "For the good of all" or simply because there are fewer chairs for people than the world will allow, one or more will keep falling out. HF was a route where it wasn't evil that caused the calamity, but one still needed to fall out, which makes it less black and white. One would still need to be taken out, but it's not to be confused with an issue of evil vs good.

Angya at his core was not evil even if he would bring calamity, Kotomine's words weren't lies even if he had another motive. If a hurricane kills humans, or if a dog kills a man, is it evil? No matter how many people a hurricane kills, it can never be evil. It would have to have knowledge of sin to be evil, but Angya had not yet been born, it lacked understanding of its ways. It was not by Angya's will that angya was created, it was the wish of humanity engraved upon him that gave birth to his existence.
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>>123384550
>Alien was a bad movie

No
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>>123384514
It is in the "What is Hidden in the Holy Grail" scene in HF Day 14.

>"The curse swirling within the Holy Grail. The curse would not have been able to take form unless the Holy Grail was compatible with it.
Instead, it connected with something that could give it shape.
>It would not have taken a definite form if it were a normal Holy Grail, such as Einzbern's gold or a bronze using a body of a magus. It is a curse that has mass, after all. In some cases, it might turn into an expanding lump of flesh."
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>>123384514
It is said that it was impossible with the Einzbern Grail or a body of a magus.
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>>123384598
I'm just saying the truth, anon. Take a look at 2013's AF.
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>>123376580

very much appreciated
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>>123384699
>Angya didn't just represent Angya, even if it was an extreme example at times he was at his core a concept that resonated throughout the game.
>Rather because he was an extreme example he could resonate this concept that was shown throughout more clearly. Innocents will be shafted, it might not be evil, but "For the good of all" or simply because there are fewer chairs for people than the world will allow, one or more will keep falling out.
What the fuck are you even trying to say?
>HF was a route where it wasn't evil that caused the calamity
Sorry but a black Shadow that goes around murdering humans is evil.
>but one still needed to fall out, which makes it less black and white. One would still need to be taken out, but it's not to be confused with an issue of evil vs good.
what the fuck are you trying to express here?
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>>123384918
NEVER FORGET
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>>123384883
He is trying to agree on what Kotomine says. He kind of have a point, AM is evil under our own flawed human subjective understanding and PoV, but at the end killing people to AM is the same as to eat for a human, his whole function as a thing is to do that.

That is the whole point of what Kotomine wants to know, if there is a meaning in such a thing existing in the first place.
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>>123385456
>AM is evil under our own flawed human subjective understanding and PoV
I honestly don't know what other "evil" exists?
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>>123385542
It is certainly our enemy, but it isn't "evil." Evil requires a sort of consciousness to do it. You can't call a fire evil if it burns down a building. Just what it does.
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>>123385542
Evil is a relative concept in the first place. But ultimately, AM is killing people because that is what AM does, not because there is an evil intention behind. It is literally the same as calling evil a tornado because it kills people, that is what a tornado does.

The problem with AM is that is flawed, because what it is its own directive as an existence is only harmful to everyone else. It is the same with Kotomine.
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>>123385608
Angra Mainyu's entire existence is "KILL ALL HUMANS".
It's literaly the zoroastristic God of Evil
Also I think the only religion that has an pure evil deity
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>>123385781
>It's literaly the zoroastristic God of Evil
That is just a human myth at the end. The actual mythological Angra Mainyu has a clear evil will, unlike the Fate one.
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>>123385838
>That is just a human myth at the end.
So just like Angra Mainyu in F/SN?
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>>123380733
https://mega.co.nz/#!fcNBjCKI!MQRQs6VGai8brWqdhFj6CNi5Lced0Y2C-UC4Z60fl7U
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>>123385781
That's the issue. Evil requires will and intent. Without that, something can't be evil. Like how guns and nukes aren't inherently evil, however when they're used can be considered evil considering the will and intent behind it.
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>>123385781
>Angra Mainyu's entire existence is "KILL ALL HUMANS".

Because humans wished for it, not because Angya wills for this. It does not kill by any hatred, motive, or meaning. It has no knowledge of evil or sin, it's the same as a natural disaster. It was simply a disaster born into creation through mankind's self-hatred.

>Q: I thought that the Lesser Grail collected "All of the World’s Evil (Angra Mainyu)"when it was defeated during the Third Holy Grail War, but then how was the Greater Grail corrupted by "All of the World’s Evil (Angra Mainyu)"? Is it because energy flows from the Lesser Grail to the Greater Grail when the two are linked?
>A: It’s because Avenger himself is "a Heroic Spirit born into existence according to people’s wishes". Other Heroic Spirits are recognized as true heroes, but Avenger represents the belief that "heroes" are lies and fabrications. The enshrinement of humanity’s selfish desires turned Avenger into a Heroic Spirit, creating a direct connection to the wish-granting function of the Holy Grail. The Greater Grail, "activated 3 times without granting anyone's wishes", turned into its present state as there was still a chance to grant somebody’s wish.
As a result, Avenger was born into this world in order to grant everybody’s desire for an existence like "All of the World's Evil (Angra Mainyu)".
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>>123385781
>Angra Mainyu's entire existence is "KILL ALL HUMANS".
You are not following. Because it is its entire existence it cannot be "evil" because things become evil with learning and experience, not because they are born that way.

What AM has is a harmful entire existence for everyone else, but under its own logic it is only following what he was born for, so it is doing "good."

It is a way to adress that at the end,

>>123385936
But the AM in Fate/stay night is not the same AM that in the Zoroastrian mythology. They don't even share the same history, only the name.
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>>123386012
The last line there is also party of the interview.
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>>123386015
>It is a way to adress that at the end, there is not really an absolute when talking about good and evil.
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Man I would've LOVED to see 'ol Justacheit's face when he realized they summoned this chump instead of the actual Angra.

Even though he's a total bro
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>>123386138
Acht was Avenger's master
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>>123386181
Well sure, but since the 2nd war it's always been Justacheit who plans things out for the Einzberns

i.e. bringing Kerry into the fold and summoning Herc
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>>123386332
He was probably pretty pissed when they were the first to lose in the 2nd War.
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>>123386332
>>123386369
>tfw
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>>123386388
Why is this still not translated
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>>123386332
No there's no indication for Acht being involved in the second war.
>>123386388
the 2 last happen in the 3rd war at the same time
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>>123386529
Im pretty it was said that Acht is the one behind the Einzbern campaign since the 2nd War actually.
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>>123386843
Where?
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>>123386843
>Im pretty
I'm pretty sure
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>>123386859
I don't remember, but it is in all the places where there is info about him. I'm going to see if CM3 says something.
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>>123386529
>>123386843
>>123386859
Fate/Zero.

>He was Jubstacheit von Einsbern, better known as "Acht" after he became the eighth head of the Einsbern family. By prolonging his life, he had lived for almost two centuries, leading the Einsberns through every one of the Grail wars. He did not remember the Justizia era, but ever since the second Heaven’s Feel, old Acht has suffered the pain of defeat many times. To him, the anxiety that he feels at this third opportunity for the Grail is extraordinary.
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>>123381811
Such a good girl.
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>>123387083
Whoever is making these please continue, they're adorable as fuck.
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>>123387151
Forgot to link to the other one
>>123367244
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>>123387083
Such a qt.

>>123387151
Agreed. I really like these.
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>>123387184
>>123387083

cute
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>>123386990
So yeah, Acht is there since the 2nd one.
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>>123387083
Am I the only one who finds this kind of terrifying
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>>123387298
Well, Illya is a bit of a muderous lunatic...
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>>123387298
I think it's cute. She does have an aggressive expression though
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>>123387298
Terrifying levels of cuteness maybe
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>>123387339
http://a.pomf.se/acuzwu.avi
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So tsun.
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>>123387298

Well, her eyes are really big and she lacks a nose.

Apart from that, I find it cute.
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>>123387373
IIya a cute

A CUTE
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>>123387435
Just goes a bit into uncanny valley for me with the unchanging expression and smooth movements.
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>>123387435
Very faithful to the original, to be honest.

Uguu
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>>123387482
The cutest
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>>123387504
Ahh, back in the days before Takeuchi made literally everyone Saber
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>>123387503
It's an aggressive dance, I'd say the expression fits pretty well.

Kind of reminds me of Idolmaster, but those dances go on for a lot longer, so their faces change throughout. It's too short to have a wide variety of facial expressions, I guess is what I'm getting at...
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>>123387435
I remember AA2 having simple noses but they were pretty noticable

Probably just a bitrate problem why the fuck 4chan only allows 3mb webms is silly
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>>123387543
I miss those days

Yeah he was less technically proficient but at least he wasn't TOTALLY sameface
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>>123381528
everything tastes good with enough mayonnaise.
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I think I have most of the seiba screencaps, do you need them?
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RIP Shinji.
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>>123387718
>seiba
No thanks.
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>>123387718

>seiba

I'll survive.
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>>123387749
Isn't this supposedly HF? When the fuck this happens?
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>>123387749
Where is this from?
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>>123387749
The fuck is occurring here
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>>123387834
shinji dying
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>>123387834
>>123387816
>>123387804
Fate UBW Anthology/COMIC a la carte
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>>123379168
Jesus Christ, I fucking like Fate and that looks like too damn much.
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>>123388011
Remember when Nasu said he was done with Fate
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>>123388011
Fate/stay night is the best thing they've ever made, don't you dare disagree.
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>>123387758
>>123387797
It's just for archiving purposes. Is it there or not?
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>>123388067
No
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>>123388067
Back in 2005, again in 2013 and now still going?
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>>123380213
That slutty picture made me love sakura more. I am glad she is as poplar as saber now.
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>>123388080
Kek
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>>123388084
We have too much Saber already. If at least some content can be lost then I'll be happy.
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>>123388193
I'd rather have the April Fool's in its entirety for everyone rather than some random person be happy because there's slightly less of a fictional character.
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>>123388005
Hope it gets scanned and translated
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>>123388193
Is this guy for real?
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>>123388292
He clearly needs more best girl.
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>>123388370
She looks kind of manic here.
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>>123388370
egh
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>>123388370
Fucking slut
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>>123388370
Clearly
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