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Sakura vs Ciel

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-Who do you like better?
-Who is better written?
-Who do you find more arousing?
-Who would you rather punch?
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They're both fucking crap, but I guess I can stomach currybutt a bit more.
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-Sakura
-Sakura
-Sakura
-Neither
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>>123197151
>-Who do you like better?
Ciel
>-Who is better written?
Ciel
>-Who do you find more arousing?
Ciel
>-Who would you rather punch?
Sakura

We're done here, boys.
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-Sakura
-Sakura
-Sakura
-Indian girl a shit.
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>>123197151
Ciel. I never got why people disliked her, whereas I do not hate Sakura, but I understand why she is disliked, and she is my least favorite Fate heroine.
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So people hate Sakura because she got raped, and they hate Ciel because....
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Strawpoll up:

http://strawpoll.me/3985887
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>>123197812
Technically Ciel also did, in the sense that Roa possessed her and it is implied he used the body to have sex. I think that might have something to do with why she's not popular.
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>>123197151
>choosing between worst girl or worst girl

The only winning move is not to play.
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>>123198708
what are you on about?

Ciel is the best girl in Tsukihime.
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>>123197812
>So people hate Sakura because she got raped
fucked up if true
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>>123197812
>they hate Ciel because
She is a lying whore that doesn't have a single likable thing about her.
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>>123197812
People hate Sakura for a lot of reasons, just getting raped don't made people hate you. Look at Symphogear threads.
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>>123199639
>Because she kills innocent people nonchalantly?
Yeah, like Homura who's universally adored. There are so many loved murderous psychos among the medium it's ridiculous.

>worms
There are also plenty of examples of the masses adoring /d/ tier fetishes.

>yandere
One of the most popular female archetypes.
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>>123199910
I don't understand your logic. Just because you don't hate her for those reasons doesn't mean other people can't.
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>>123197151
Ciel
Ciel
Ciel
Sakura
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>>123200140
Explain why they hate Sakura specifically for those things, and not Homura.
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>>123197151
Wormslut is significantly worse but they're both worst girls so whatever
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>>123201239
lolnope. Ciel's great; far better than Satsuki.
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>>123201984
Who?
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>>123201984
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>>123197151
-Sakura
-Sakura
-Sakura
-currymuncher
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Sakura is the most fleshed out girl in Fate, even if you hate her there's no way around it.
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Ciel is shit, but Sakura is worse than shit.
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Is this even a contest?
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>>123197151
Ciel
Ciel
Ciel
Sakura
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>>123202113
>most fleshed out
>barely appears in the first two routes
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>>123202113
>Sakura is the most fleshed out girl in Fate
If "pity me" is considered being fleshed out.
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>>123202113
That is straight up wrong.
I'm a Saberfag but Rin has the most screentime and development
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>>123202392
Among main heroines? Yeah, I'd agree with that as well. I wish Saber had development beyond Fate though. Would be nice.

>>123202444
>u
Also, it's obvious that "Fate" refers to the VN in general.
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>>123202113
>Sakura is the most fleshed out girl in Fate
>in Fate
You must have read the wrong VN because Sakura is nowhere around in Fate.
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>>123202508
>Also, it's obvious that "Fate" refers to the VN in general.
No that refers to the franchise in general.
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>>123202570
In the context of the post, I mean.
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>>123202611
Fair enough;
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Sakura
Sakura
Neither
Neither
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>>123202371
>Muh kingdom
>Muh duty to do magic
>Muh I hard a hard life
Glad to know I understand the heroines
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>>123197151
>Ciel
>Ciel
>Ciel
>Slutura
silly OP, Ciel is best type moon girl.
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Ciel crushing the poll.
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>>123197151
>-Who do you like better?
Ciel
>-Who is better written?
Ciel
>-Who do you find more arousing?
Ciel
>-Who would you rather punch?
Ciel, possibly because her fight with Shiki in the MB manga.
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>>123202979
Me too
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Ciel of course.
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>>123204103
No wonder Saber, Rin and Sakura cheat on your 2 inch Jap dick with large Shiki cock.
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>>123204173
Well, no. Saber cheats with Diarmuid. Rin cheats with unknown men. Sakura cheats with Hakuno.
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>>123204059
>>-Who would you rather punch?
>Ciel

I guess she does like it rough in the sack
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>Ciel is best type
Not even letting you finish. Seibah the best TM of all time. OF ALL TIME.
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>>123204103
>>123204173
I'm still curious how Shirou met Ciel.
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>>123204173
Hey, not a bad edit.
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>>123201097
She's fucking annoying in HF
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CIEL IS A GOOD GIRL

I LIKE CIEL
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>>123204214
>Sakura cheats with Hakuno.
Out of all the heroines, I thought she was the least to betray her MC. My surprise when CCC happened all of a sudden.
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>>123204343
>Out of all the heroines, I thought she was the least to betray her MC

But that's Rin though. She's a fucking bro to Shirou in every route, even when she knows she's not destined to win the bowl.
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>>123204173
>It's like touching a flat surface
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>>123204343
You know that's not the same Sakura right?
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Sakura is a cute and sexy kouhai
Ciel is a cool senpai
They both fill their niches. Though I think Ciel has more potential and I loved playing her in Melty Blood.
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>>123204059
Yeah and her fight bad end with Shiki was one of the best, so cool things happen when you fight Ciel.
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>>123204214
>fate heroines are a bunch of sluts
Rider sleeps with men in Fuyuki and tries with Waver
Bazett wants Cu sausage
Caren just likes rapists
Jeanne wants the DRAGON DICK
Mordred has daddy issues with a punk rock biker
Nero loves having a harem and acknowledges her slut ways
Medea takes the Souichirou dick
Enkidu takes the G
Ayako had Shinji

I mean what else?
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>>123204273
>taste this shit.
Saber is the most overrated. Arc is better.
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>>123204540
>implying
There's a bazillion Sabers.
Bazillion > several Arc clones
That's why Saber is BEST TM.
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>>123204450
>so cool things happen when you fight Ciel.
Current Ciel design is now a generic glasses classmate.
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>>123204577
I can't find any fault with this logic
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>>123204540
It's just a shitty troll. Ignore him.
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>>123204419
I don't see Akiha anywhere on that picture.
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>>123204419
To be fair, seiba's bust size seems to change depending on whatever Takeuchi feels like.
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>>123204681
Akiha has a big boobs version in Oda Nobunaga now.
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>>123204343
That's as not the same Sakura as possible in a way, it's not Matou anything. She explains early on that she only coincidentally has that name since her name is chosen at random from the contestants. Sentient computer program that's watched over the timeless Moon for longer than humans can know, finds some humanity in the game, her humanity is at odds with her duty, can't figure out which way to go a bit kind of like Saber, her ingame character arc is very different from Matou. In the game they mention that if BB was based on something in the real world then that person might like Emiya, however the way they tell you "If she was based on a real person" kind of tells you she wasn't, and rather that was just a reference. Not to mention another difference

>It’s Elizabeth again. …I suppose it’s good that’s she’s come out to meddle with us, since it means her merge with Sakura is being delayed, but…Also the same, it’s kind of tiresome.

>Elizabeth :: Heehee, your mind seems troubled. I understand, I understand. This kind of puzzle hits a nerve, doesn’t it. I get migraines myself, so I can understand what you’re going through to some small extent. All right! I’ll talk to you, since you’ve gone through so much for it. Keep in mind that a noble is addressing you, so as a fan you are to answer my questions graciously. I told you before that this body has the necessary qualities to become me, didn’t I? The first of those requirements is beauty. The next is youth. And the last is innocence — chastity!

>Sakura :: Wh, what!? Ah, um…I’m an AI, so…!

It's why we call her Blossom-sensei, to differentiate them a bit.
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>>123204727
>Takeuchi
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>>123204760
Also call her sensei since she's got her nursing degree
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>>123199618
What, did a girl with glasses beat you up in middle school?
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>>123204650
Nope. Arc is far better.
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Right
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Ciel´s tatoos are beyond awful, so Sakura all the way
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>Comparing a complete bro like Ciel to wormslut

Ciel is the worst of the Tsukihime heroines and she's still several times better than Sakura.
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Has anyone collected the info from the theater showing yesterday? Last thing I knew was there was a 2ch thread for people who went, but then I went to sleep.
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>>123205310
They aren't tattoos, she paints them on.
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Wormslut
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>>123197151
The one who doesn't have worms in her vagina.
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>>123205505
Yeah, it's Rin that does that tattoo thing like a punk along with her drinking, drugs, underage sex, driving without a license, and dyeing her hair blond

Just look at this, if she still had a father he'd call her mildly irresponsible. There's no telling even where she got such an up front tattoo she wears around at school every day.

I fear she's going down a dark path.
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>>123205739
Deal with it nerd.
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Ryougi
Ryougi
Ryougi
Everyone else
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>>123205977
Ryougi is the most overrated TM girl by far.
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>>123205977
>>123206022
and a manface.
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>>123197151
>-Who do you like better?
Sakura
>-Who is better written?
Either way
>-Who do you find more arousing?
Sakura
>-Who would you rather punch?
Neither

Ciel can probably take a punch better, but still probably neither.
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I just hate everything in Ciel design

>short hair
>blue hair
>glasses

i'm even mad that ryukishi put her in Higurashi
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Sakura is a good girl
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>>123206431
For you.
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can Sakura kill ciel
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>>123206302
she doesn't have a manface you bully

that was due to ufotable's lack of drawing skills
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>>123206614
>Kill
>Ciel

She might job to literally everything, but killing her is hard.
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>>123206614
Ciel would demolish Sakura, especially if she was using some of the broken Burial Agency weapons.
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>>123206614
No. But maybe she can swallow her and give her the worm treatment femme fatale style.
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>>123206712
Sakura as Dark Sakura would win, against any human that's kind of unfair. People can't seem to realize what all sins in creation has an advantage over anything in humanity in a sense. No human could beat incarnated Angya Manyu either, but there are inhuman things that could win, or probably some Guardians.

No human can beat Primate Murder either

Sakura as normal Sakura, not a fucking chance.

Killing Ciel is impossible either way though. At most she's just sort of eaten or something.
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We know Senpai isn't Senpai without her glasses, but is Sakura still Sakura without her worms?
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>>123206798
Shiki could kill the Angry Manjew
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>>123206837
>but is Sakura still Sakura without her worms?

Yes, check CCC

A more apt example would be "Sakura isn't Sakura without her ribbons".
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>>123206878
Matou Sakura does not appear in CCC.
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>>123206837
Sakura isn't Sakura without her Senpai
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>>123206909
Yes, but it's a Sakura that is a Sakura, but without worms. Is Shiki still Shiki if he's Nanaya?
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>>123206837
Is Shirou still Shirou without his ideals?
Is Rin still Rin without her ZR?
Is Saber still Saber without her appetite?
Is Illya still Illya without her heart?
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>>123206937
CCC Sakuras are not Sakura.
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>>123206967
No.
No.
No.
;_;
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>>123207006
Ryougi Shiki isn't Tohno, but She/he's still Shiki

Shiki is Shiki, but sometimes it's SHIKI, and also Shiki who died to gain power who has an alternate persona called Shiki but isn't Shiki

You know?

Sometimes Shiki, Shiki, Shiki, SHIKI, Shiki, and Shiki might get together and just have it out about how their names are similar. They can form a club.

That club can be called "Mystic Eyes Alliance", or we can go around the table and see if someone else has an idea.
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>>123197151
Was Sakura Archer's lover?
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>>123207206
No, neither was Rin or Saber from the sound of things.
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>>123207206
No. In Heaven's Feel he was shocked about finding out about the worms.
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>>123207206
Of course not. He would have at least given a fuck about her in HF if that was the case.
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>>123206967
>Rin without her ZR

DISGUSTING
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>>123207179
What about Fake Shiki from Tsukihime? He doesn't have Mystic Eyes.
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>>123207206
It was Ciel.
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>>123207237
>>123207206
I mean only ones it could have been out of the main four, are Ilya and Saber.

He remembers the others, but for one point or another it can't quite be them.
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>>123207237
Earlier today some folks in Japan were saying the ED for UBW2 has a lot of Shirou and Rin in it, but some were saying it could actually have been from Archer's past.

I know it doesn't make any sense, but who knows what the fuck Ufotable's gonna end up doing.
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>Ciel
She's not in an anime
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>>123207333
But is it good? will it be god-tier like Brave Shine?
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>>123207312
>A man with an understanding lover

Present tense. I seriously doubt it was Saber.
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>>123207400
A recording of it leaked a while ago from a concert. It's alright. A little better sounding than the last one.
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>>123207412
I think it was said he slept with a number of girls while on his travels around the world in CCC. He thought it was love each time, but it turned out they were using him or betrayed him somehow, every single time.

Like a James Bond thing, except a James Bond who's terrible at figuring out that everyone he sleeps with was really an enemy agent. Thinking each time "Alright, this girl is the one".

He talks to Hakuno about this after she thinks he's trying to sleep with her I guess.
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>>123207482
What happened to This Illusion? will it return this season?
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>>123207531
It was an insert song for episode 12 only. New ED is by Kalafina.
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>>123207519
Dem bitches just wanted the jackhammer.
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>>123207546
Again? why use them for stupid endings when they could be adding some nice chanting to the ost?
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>>123207297
How could it have been Ciel?
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>>123207613
She gave him the shroud of Martin, he gave her some curry bread, then the magic happened.
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>>123207613
A "kiritsugu x maiya" call back from the looks of things.
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>>123207706
Would Shiki have joined in or was he busy raping the maids?
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>>123207283
"Why are you in this club?"
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>>123207706
>>123207707
Doesn't make sense at all. Shirou is the complete opposite of Shiki, both in personality, in demeanor, and in looks. Even the color palette is different.

>expecting Ciel to fall in love with someone that is the complete opposite of her tastes
Reminder that Ciel still loves Shiki even when Shiki chose Arcueid and went around being the God of Death.

It's almost as asinine as saying that Saber would fall in love with Shiki.
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>>123207377
Yes she is, retard.
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>>123207832
He was busy having sex with Arturia in Avalon.
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>>123207877
People create their own version of the events in their mind

In reality Nasu just said "They met, she gave him a shroud".
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>>123207932
>implying Arturia isn't smoking joints and sucking cocks in Brooklyn, New York
She enjoying herself some BritishBroadcastingChannel
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>>123208028
Saber watches Top Gear while smoking joints and sucking cocks? What?
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>>123207934
It's a conceptual weapon that protects from the world, made from a saint's burial garment. It's not something you give to random people you meet.
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>>123208148
Ciel gives it out to those that need it, and clearly he needed it. Probably helped with a mission, and that was his payment.
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>>123207877
Shirou is not the complete opposite of Shiki, and we are talking about EMIYA Shirou, who is different to vanilla Shirou.
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>>123208148
If the random person is a person that has the potential to become a hero, then yeah, why not give away something you don't really have any attachment to. It's not like it's Nanako she's giving away.
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>>123208148
What does it mean it "protects from the world"? will his UBW not be crushed by the world as long as he wears it or some shit like that?
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Apparently it's CCC's second anniversary?
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>>123208224
>not complete opposite
Shiki does not care if you're a man or woman and does not keep reminding you of your gender.
Shiki is a complete asshole to friends, classmates, and family. So even if he's an asshole, he doesn't have any chauvinist inklings in him and doesn't use any chauvinist reasoning for his actions.
Shiki would rather not help people until forced to, and this is why he is a general loner even if he's beloved by his female classmates.
He is not selfless enough to just die for someone, and even when he and Arcueid were fighting Nero, he was still unsure of what to do, whilst Shirou would have just jumped in front of a shark to save Saber even if he were to die. Shiki is happy to live and content, Shirou is not and wishes to be something he is not.
Shiki doesn't work hard at all, and has not trained seriously for a period of almost a decade. Everything comes easily to Shiki.
Shiki is not polite, he is forceful even when not in a fight, and has clear rapist tendencies.

No version of Shirou is even close to the vanilla version of Shiki that Ciel falls in love with.
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>>123208178
>>123208243
Conceptual weapons are rare items and are almost always one of a kind. It is not something you carry around with you in the expectation of handing it out just because someone seems promising or they helped you out.
Though I would be very curious what happened that Ciel needed help from Emiya.
>>123208272
That's how its properties are described as compared to something that protects like armor would.
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We need more translators
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>>123208448
You don't expect to give it away.
But sometimes you do.

Aoko was the same thing. She just owned something she stole from her sister and carrying it around. Gave it to someone who needed it.

If you fight alongside another person and see their potential, why would you not give the special weapon to that person if they become a hero or a CEO in the future?

Ciel has never been truly loyal to the Church. Even in Talk, she knows that the Church just wants her to die, but she's got really nothing else to do with her life.
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>>123208448
Ciel's Black Keys are also conceptual weapons. You're acting as if Ciel cares about something she doesn't even own. She's a Burial Agent ffs. Merem Solomon kills people for his own enjoyment.
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>>123208448
Shirou prjojected an awesome replica of a conceptual sword-like weapon Ciel needed, so she considered it fair to give him the shroud in payment.
Or maybe he cooks a really mean curry rice.
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>>123208438
I guess this is true. Shirou is driven. Shiki is like one of the most laid back faggots in MC history.
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>>123208712
>implying being laid-back is bad for a character
Shiki is the anti-/fit/. He don't care about his gains, bro. I think that's pretty cool, aside from his mouth that needs to get soaped because it's so dirty.
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>>123208580
Aoko didn't bring the glasses until after Shiki showed off to her. Whether or not she had already stolen them she didn't just carry them with her. More importantly, Shiki had a huge problem, one that isn't at all similar to something the shroud could solve. It sounds to me more like Ciel went back to get a shroud from the Church, not a spur of the moment thing.
>>123208647
I said almost always. Aside from the Keys that is not the case. We're talking Noble Phantasm or Black Barrel tier weapons. Just because you're not loyal doesn't mean you throw away something you could use in the future.
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>>123208938
>. It sounds to me more like Ciel went back to get a shroud from the Church,
There is no implication of this at all. If they assisted one another on DAA hunting missions, then it's possible she did. But then, that would just be the same as her hunting runs with Merem Solomon and the rest of the Burial Agency.

I don't see Ciel spreading her legs for Merem or Dawn.

You don't know what Ciel really thinks of the garment. Maybe she had more than one Shroud or other weapons too. Ciel has the entire repository of the Church at her disposal.

What's a shroud worth to her? Literally nothing. It's not like she's giving away The Seventh Sacrament. Now if she gave that away, you would have made a point. But the Church and the Mage Association has these things like they're candy.
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Come on, TM. Where's muh DRAGON DICK thirsty Jeanne?
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>>123209088
There's no implication to what happened other than she gave it to him. I'm saying that if she needed to carry it with her than it's something that would be important in the future. If she didn't think of it as important then there's no reason to bring it with. Even if it's some one of a kind Dead Apostle where it doesn't happen to be necessary but you want to bring it with - if you go and search out for something like that inside of the Church there's no reason you just give it away once the job is done.
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>>123209218
>I'm saying that if she needed to carry it with her than it's something that would be important in the future
That means nothing. The Church could have several shrouds for all you know and that's why it was easy for her to give it away. Or that Ciel thinks that it's nothing really essential like the Seventh Sacrament actually is. To Ciel, who has the entire repository of goods that the Church has, there's more than one way to skin a cat. And it's a defensive gear. It's not like it's a superweapon like Nanako. Probably just means the Church has a lot of other defensive gears.

You can give shit away to people you randomly meet. Especially when you've got more of them in the warehouse. And Ciel has a treasure trove with the Church.
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>>123208938
There are Noble Phantasms and Black Barrel weapons kept sealed, and then there's mangy Burial Cloths that can be given away if you find someone worthy enough.

Even Caren has one, and the Church kind of hated Caren. Church kind of gives out their own shit to whoever. They hate Ciel, but as long as she'll work for them, they'll give her shit.

They'll get it back when you die

You confusing the issue with "This is noble phantasm level shit they've giving out, he can't just be anyone", meanwhile this is not noble phantasm level shit. They have low rank sort of shit as well.
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>>123209352
What type of shroud does Caren have again?
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>>123209378
Something that only works against Men

restrains them in a non-harmful manner
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>>123209352
I forgot about Caren having one. Was Caren the one in the vehicle again in the Dark Six?
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>>123197151
>vs

Is this /a/?
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>>123209378
She owns the Holy Shroud, the Shroud of Magdalene (マグダラの聖骸布, Magudara no Seigaifu), which is a red cloth with the power to forcefully bind men. However, while the man is bound, no harmful physical attacks can be made against him or Magdalene will be rendered useless. It is a type of Mystic Code.
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>>123209352
>the church giving kotomine's daughter a shroud
What the fuck was the supervisor of the region thinking?
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>>123209457
Reading about this, it kinda seems that red shrouds are everywhere in the Church if they give one to Caren.
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>>123209314
The Church does have several shrouds, they show up in various works. But they all have different properties because they come from different saints.
As for Ciel? If you can't accept the idea that there's no reason to bring excess items like a fucking robe of cloth into the field, all I'll add on is this: Ciel takes her job very seriously. There's a reason that persona is a different mode entirely. There's no show from anything she's in that she cares so little about her equipment that she'll throw it away.
>>123209352
Burial cloths are holy weapons from the church, if you think that they are disposable then you miss the entire point of them being stored at all. These are items with sacred meaning that are weaponized with the sole purpose of taking down enemies of the Church. I'm not saying "These rival Noble Phantasms!" I'm saying "These aren't nearly as disposable as Black Keys."
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>>123209566
I'd say they're slightly above Black Keys, but are on the level of low ranking conceptual items that the church has thousands of here.
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>>123209542
I suppose that the shrouds are stained with the martyr's or the saint's blood and that why it gains powers or something like that.
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>>123209566
>Ciel takes her job very seriously. There's a reason that persona is a different mode entirely. There's no show from anything she's in that she cares so little about her equipment that she'll throw it away.
She throws away her Black Keys like they're fucking candy. If there's an excess of Shrouds in the Church, then she could just get another one if she loses the other one.

The Church gave away a Shroud to Caren, who isn't even in the same league as Ciel. And there are Church Knights, Executioners before you reach the Burial Agent status.

If Ciel just picked up a bulletproof vest out of a huge armory of bulletproof vests that her bosses own, then gives you one, she still has a huge bulletproof vest catalogue to choose from.
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>>123209566
THERE ARE 8,066 CATHOLIC SAINTS.
If we even just use half that number, that's still 4k+ number of shrouds.
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>>123209597
>>123209698
>>123209731
Even if they have thousands we know that they have unique properties, you can't just find one you like and mass produce it. This is no pile of bullet proof vests, it's a pile of clothing that all does different things.

Black Keys are a weapon for the Church as a whole that can be mass produced in one way or another.
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>>123209764
Ciel went into her closet, and picked out a dress that looked good on Archer as a reward for helping her out once.

No big shit
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>>123209764
There are 8000 Catholic saints. 8000. It's more likely than not that a lot of them have the same function. Some better than others for offense, some better than others for defense. 8000 is still a large number so that you can have like even just 10 percent of that being nothing but defensive shrouds.
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>>123209818
See, that I agree with, the idea that it wasn't vital to what was happening. Not the idea that it was something she had on her and gave away because she didn't care.
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>>123209868
Ciel generally doesn't fight with shrouds. Not in Tsukihime, not in MB, not in Talk, or in the Prelude.

Her most powerful form doesn't even use a shroud. She's half naked in a miniskirt and only using the Seventh Sacrament.

A shroud isn't that important to her, because she probably just uses them when she uses them. If she doesn't have them, no biggie.
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I faintly remember Ciel having a lot of guns in her apartment. Why?
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>>123209935
Too much ass.
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>>123209971
Which, again, is why I think that if she brought one on whatever the mission was, it wouldn't be insignificant enough to give away.
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Ciel is not an evil used goods whore, so Ciel.
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>>123210046
If they gave her gear for a mission, why wouldn't she take it? If it's one of the gears she was given as equipment along with her Black Keys, why would she form a great attachment to it? It's a shroud that there are almost ten thousands others in Church control.

It's like if the Church gave Ciel automatic rifles and she brought them to Japan, what's the reason for her to not give them away if she wants to or not?
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>>123210020
She didn't like using magic because Roa so she stuck with weapons. You can see the kind of things she likes in the seventh scripture turned pile bunker.
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>>123210039
>being Irish
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>>123210138
I still find it odd that she would use firearms when her default Executioner gear would be more than enough for most threats.
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>>123210114
From what we've seen at no point does the Church force weapons onto the Burial Agency members.
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>>123210191
The Church doesn't force weapons on anyone, but they can just give you shit along with your clothes and disguises. You taking the shit or not doesn't mean anything.

Ciel would be like a high executive officer in a company. If the company gave her a bunch of cellphones and she decided to give one away, why would the company try and piss her off when she's one of their best assets and they have thousands of cellphones anyway?

It's the same concept.
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>>123210294
This is all lengthy speculation on your part. The more likely explanation is that didn't happen. We know that members do instead make orders for the weapons they want from the Church, so if there was a shroud Ciel wanted she would request it herself and at that point it would have to be pretty important.
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if there was a vampire master, what would happen under the following circumstances?

If they bit their servant. Would they be able to "turn" their servant? would the servants blood do anything special? could they even suck a servants blood in the first place?
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>>123210384
If Ciel can just request a Shroud, it doesn't mean there are no similar shrouds around with almost ten thousand of them floating around in reality. Which would make it the same as her ordering an AK or two if she wants to.

Even Caren has a shroud. You're the only one putting importance on something that there are thousands of.
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>>123210384
Your lengthy speculation is that a shroud is special since Ciel uses it, so giving it away is not something that she would do. What if the shroud that she used was just a shroud the Church has by the hundreds in terms of ability? Then all that Ciel has done is given away a handgun or a rifle away.
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>>123210390
There is a Dead Apostle master in Fate/Strange, he gets his ass beaten by Assassin the instant he summons her. Servants by existence are a bit closer to DAA on the scale than DA, which means they're a bit inbetween DA and DAA. You'd have to be a particularly strong DA to have a chance.

This guy seems good though, he's still alive despite dying.

I mean Vlad was DAA level in Fate/Apoc when he went full vampire, I think he tried biting Karna or Achilles.
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>>123210476
>>123210545
Why would you order something insignificant specifically if you already have weapons that outperform it? If she ordered it, then it would have to be something important, something that she needed.
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>>123210384
Caren having a shroud really wrecks this. Because if even a low-level member of the Church can have one that even has a famous saint's name, then what are shrouds really worth? It could just be the equivalent of Ciel asking for a bulletproof vest for conceptual attacks and there could be countless of them in Church control.
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>>123210590
I mean closer to DAA, in the sense that it's been said they're stronger than an average/normal one, but might have no chance against the upper tiers.

World of difference between the riff raff DAA and the ORT's out there.
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>>123210619
You can order a lot of shit. That doesn't mean you put a lot of love into the object. What makes you think Ciel didn't order more than one Shroud? What makes you think Ciel didn't just order a basic package? If I order a sniper rifle, for a sniper mission, and I know there's more where that came from, then what's the matter if I throw away the rifle after the mission?

It's a Shroud that can have hundreds to thousands of similar types of other Shrouds.
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>>123197151

-Ciel
-Ciel
-Ciel
-Sakura

I'm gay and know nothing about Ciel.
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>>123210590
>>123210665

no like what would happen if they forced their servant to let them take a suck with a command seal? I bet there's nothing but conjecture at this point, right?
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>>123210722
Because at no point has she ever needed or worn one in Tsukihime, or any work she showed up in. A sniper is vital to a mission but Archer's shroud is not something that is armor, it protects from the world. That's all. Can you even think up a mission where Ciel's normal outfit and skills would require an extra garment?
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>>123210886
Way to skirt what I said.
I implied that if Ciel ordered more than one Shroud, it's easy to give another one away, if she has a backup.
If she ordered it as a package for a certain mission, and there's more where it came from, there's no reason why she can't just discard the item afterward.

There's also the big point you deliberately ignored and has nothing to do with your reply: if there are similar other shrouds among the 8,000+ shrouds that should exist for Catholic saints, and probably thousands more that we do not know or are unnamed, then if the Church has a large backup of the Shrouds, then she can just easily give away the Shroud she ordered because there's more where it came from.

And since even lower level agents like Caren has a Shroud, it is not far from the realm of truth that Ciel has a large amount of inventory waiting for her.

It's very similar to ordering a Barrett 50 sniper rifle for an anti-materiel mission, and then just dropping the thing in the water after I finished my mission.

This was actually SOP for some maritime protection agencies and their mercenaries. They order the weapons of their choices, they carry it in the ship, they throw the weapons away in the ocean before entering a port city.

Ordering something doesn't mean you're attached to it forever. Especially not something that the Church has thousands of.
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>>123199552
>liking a used goods wormslut
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So Ciel's officially won?

http://strawpoll.me/3985887
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I prefer Fujinon.
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>>123211073
>raping Ciel
Why does this fuck Shiki have poor taste?
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>>123211151
Stop cheating, wormslut.
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>>123211151
Scriptfag triggered.

Yes!
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>>123211308
You pulled attention to a poll, many of us hadn't even seen since it was way up there in the thread.

In calling attention to it, you called attention to it for the poll-spammers as well. Someone will always spam a poll when one is posted, you were just lucky it didn't happen before this. When someone reminded everyone that this existed, it was over.
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>>123211151
Fucking Sakura is making her worms vote, that's not fair.
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>>123211420
You're quoting the wrong person.
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>>123211087
I'm not ignoring or skirting. I know the church has plenty but that doesn't mean that they're not unique. I know she doesn't have to feel attachment but that doesn't mean you order things you don't need. I'm simply addressing the things that, to me, don't fit, and arguing over whether or not the shrouds are important to the church is pretty dumb.

Maybe I'll summarize it all again because we seem to be talking past one another, with you not answering what I'm saying either:
Ciel goes somewhere, orders a specific set of items for a mission, whatever. At no point will she say she needs a shroud for the hell of it. No one ships her a shroud by accident or just in case or as standard practice. She's one of the top fighters in the Church, she orders her own weapons for use even when she's under order to go somewhere. We've seen her both planning to deal with the Dead and planning to deal with Roa, and we know she didn't need a shroud like that. So in what situation do you see her willingly ordering one, needing to use it, and then giving it away? I cannot picture a single situation where that makes sense for the protection Archer's shroud offers.
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>>123211522
Ciel didn't need a Shroud before because she has a time reversal curse on her body, you idiot.

Why would she need a flak jacket when it's not going to be useful when she has the ultimate protection in that she can't die?

If she needs a flak jacket of a shroud now, it's because she can get killed doing work. And if she can just easily give something like that away, it's because there's more where that came from.

Actually, there's thousands more where that shroud came from. You are the one making stupid remarks about "that shroud doesn't have similar other shrouds to it in the Church inventory" but there would likely be a lot of of them, considering there's almost 10k of them in Church possession.

If Ciel ordered "Can I have 3 defensive shrouds, and twelve grenades for this mission?" then that obliterates every fucking single thing that you've said.
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>>123211620
To the Swede-fag who voted; how does it feel to have your country being rekt by mass islamic immigration?
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>>123209211
At least there is some doujins, I, fine with that.
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>>123211827
We're talking about Archer's shroud. That's not a physically defensive item, I've said that plenty of times by now. You're also trying to apply logic to it as if it's a mass produced real world item when we know that it's not. A defensive shroud that defends against the world? Physical attacks? Magic? The Dead? Flames?

Regardless, we know about Ciel post-Tsukihime, in things like Talk or Melty Blood. If you had the impression that her immortality was what kept her safe then you should pay attention to those.
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>>123210020
It's not strange for Ciel to have firearms. She's the only member of the Burial Agency that even uses firearms.
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>>123211965
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>>123211620
Numbers were pretty even for awhile
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>>123212101
I guess this holds the record as first translated Chibichuki page.
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Alright, new poll. This one has strict anti-cheat:

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5517a2abe4b0e9ad06a361d2
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>>123211997
Melty Blood is not a world where Ciel has a lot of preparation. And the only time she prepares for someone, it's against the personification of the Planet, so no garb can defeat her so no use even ordering one when there's really not enough time to even prepare. Actually, it's Arcueid that even defeats said personification. And in Talk, it was simply a huge giant forest that prevents you from using magecraft.

Also, Ciel fights DAAs. DAAs that would be able to use magecraft themselves. DAAs that have millenia to hundreds of years of ability to pull out the most fucked up shit they can.

If she asked for a shroud post-Tsukihime when she lost her protection, it would make sense if she's facing off against really huge threats.

Besides, Roa beat the shit out of Ciel in Tsukihime.

NONE of these points you're putting forward means that the Church doesn't have very similar shrouds in stock for the 8000+ saints they have.

Besides, a shroud is huge, since it's something that completely covers a saint's corpse. You could have multiple shrouds from the same shroud cloth.
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>>123212151
iirc there were some other pages that were done as a joke using comic sans that I saved from beast's lair once. I'll see if I can find them.
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>>123212151
>>123212190
Found it. Huh guess it was just one.
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>>123212081
>Jeanne gives Sieg a blowjob
>with her gauntlet and greaves on
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>>123212188
>Besides, a shroud is huge, since it's something that completely covers a saint's corpse. You could have multiple shrouds from the same shroud cloth.
Why didn't you just say this before? It all makes sense now.
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>>123212188
>a shroud is huge, since it's something that completely covers a saint's corpse.
It covers your average 1,60m jap manlet. The Red Man is way bigger.
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>>123212646
A shroud wraps a human body from head to toe, then from front to back. In some cases, it's several rolls. You were saying?
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