I have been playing TM VNs lately and all the heroines have a clear objective
wants to undo her oath to the Nation of England
feels guilty of the suffering she puts on everyone else
wants to undo here mistake of creating Roa
wants to die as a normal girl
What is Rin's objective? Besides being a generic tsundere girl. as far as I can tell she has no character or motivation
>generic tsundere girl
>Helpful, and only gets annoyed when the MC does acts that put him in genuine way of harm, like any sane person would freak out about
>Shows full range of emotions depending on the situation, unlike cutouts who go from pissed to randomly nice
She's one of the best examples of the archetype.
She's just trying to live properly as a Tohsaka magus while struggling to also remain true to herself. Her role in the story is to provide Shirou with the example of what a proper magus master is.
Implying she doesn't have character because her motivation isn't very grand or ambitious is pretty narrowminded.
No. Rin kills Shirou exactly one time in the novel, a bad end where he got his limbs cut off and was put in a jar as a mana source for Caster.
Literally every other heroine kills him more.
No. She never intentionally tries to kill him. Even the school fight, where she threatens to kill him leads to one of the few bad ends that doesn't have any immediately dark ramifications. She just takes his command seals and wipes his memory of the war.
That's not really relevant. She's doesn't try to kill Shirou because she's a tsundere, as many 'violent tsundere' do, she does it because of their roles in the story and the war.
The violent tsundere archetype that anons tend to hate attack MCs with slaps/hammers/clubs/etc because of their tsun (in a slapstick manner, mind you), whereas Rin spares Shirou in spite of the image of a 'perfect magus' that she tries to impose on herself because of her dere.
This. The only reason she acts violently towards Shirou in anyway is due to the way. And even then she isn't out to kill him, just disqualify him as a master so that he wouldn't be involved.
The only Tsundere thing about her is that she likes to snark a lot towards him, and isn't very honest about her feelings or intentions. In other-words the Tsundere archetype done right.
Kagetsu Tohya is just straight up frustrating to play because you can get lost in it. It's sad because I think the scenarios in it are generally better, but I'd never want to go through it without a guide.
I personally preferred Kagetsu Tohya to F/HA. It was more surreal/dreamlike and had better SoL. Both are great though, Bazett and Avenger are the best. Almost as best as Len.
Also, that secret epilogue after you get all the scenes where
Shiki is drinking sake and discussing buddhist philosophy with SHIKIis my favorite Type-Moon moment of all time.
Remind me what was Hisui's overall motivation. She's my favorite type moon girl, but I honestly can't think of one for her. Kohaku boils down to revenge, Akiha is controlling her self and having a semi-normal family.
She wants to kill Sakura in HF, she's still too wishy washy to go through with it at times. Its been shown that if its her on her own she'll go through with it, but as long as Shirou is there to stand in front of her way, she'll raise up her hands and go "Looks like it can't be helped". She knows its a threat and the smart thing would be to eliminate her, she also wants to help her but she doesn't allow herself to feel that, since it's like naming a dog right before you have to shoot it. The closer she allows herself to get to her, the less she'll be able to pull the trigger at the end.
As long as Shirou says "Fuck no" or pretends like he has some plan, she can avoid doing it for now. Though the geass ending and MoS show if he wasn't there to stop her, then her rational side would take charge, but she'd end up paying for it for the rest of her potentially short life at that rate. Since even Kotomine says she'll be breaking down soon after making that choice.
That route might give her more character than her own route in some ways. It explores her Ciel side, contrasting her human feelings with the feelings of her duty.
As Ciel in the school realized she was unable to kill Shiki at the last moment as she ended up breaking down. Knife to his neck, he's just accepting it, but she can't go any further, for the first time she's confused. She can't go through with her duty, despite being the perfect machine up to this point, despite steeling herself, she can't deny her humanity and her love.
The good ending was only reached because Rin chose her humanity over her pride as a magus, which means something in the end. Sakura could heal from having her brain segmented by Gilgamesh, Rin blew up Zelretch's dagger already, the last weapon she had wouldn't have made a difference. However, in her last moments Rin realized her mistake up to that point, that she couldn't go through with it. She made one last appeal to humanity, and the power of love worked.
It's a controversial, but very important side to Rin's character. Showing she can be heartless, but at the same time it would break her, the pinnacle of her inability to choose between her humanity and her magus side. The wish her father left her with, in contrast with her own nature as a human.
She has the potential to go either way, but not without consequence.
>That route might give her more character than her own route in some ways.
Rin is characterized a lot like Shirou, where most of her stuff is spread throughout the whole game rather than having one route solely dedicated to covering her story.
The prologue puts you inside her head, the Fate route shows you her from an outsider's perspective, UBW shows her romantic side, while HF gives you her darker side. That's severely simplifying it, but hopefully you get my point.
It's like this
>Rin Tohsaka [Person's name]
>The eldest daughter of Tohsaka Tokiomi. The younger years of one of the heroines of Fate.
>10 years ago, Rin’s understanding of the Holy Grail War was about equal to that of Shirou’s during the Fifth War. That is, it seemed like she understood but she really did not.
>In the eyes of young Rin, her father Tokiomi was a great magus who must be respected and loved, but as for the coldheartedness that accompanied the ideal, that was a negative aspect of his personality that she failed to understand.
>If Tokiomi had survived until the time when Rin could have really understood her father’s personality, it would certainly have deeply affected the development of her own personality. Whether she would oppose that inhumanity and leave the path of thaumaturgy, or whether she would become a “perfect and coldhearted” witch like her father – no matter which one, this parallel world, for Rin, would certainly be one far away from happiness.
She's unsure of herself
Likes Shiki, wants to help her sister, can't understand her sister, feels guilty since because of her Kohaku was bad touched she later found out in a sense, as long as Hisui remains unemotional or robotic her sister will continue pretending to be happy since they traded places, she knows it's an act for the most part but seeing Kohaku even pretend to be happy still makes her confused like she wants to keep up the act, she keeps her own personality so it can continue, since Kohaku sacrificed herself so Hisui would remain pure she thinks its her responsibility to uphold that self which she feels guilty about, so she tries her hardest to never be touched by anyone as she developed a complex, with time she's almost forgotten who she really is underneath it all, or at least she doesn't know how to express it any longer. She know knows she has to keep up her current self so that her sister can be the Hisui of the past, since Kohaku said they'd trade back as soon as Hisui said she was ready.
If she could at least move an inch closer to seeing what was inside of Kohaku, what she was feeling, if she could understand her at all she could help. However in Kohaku's route she expressed her frustration at not being able to understand her ever since that time eight years ago when she broke.
In Hisui's good ending you see Hisui finally find some small gap in Kohaku's logic or self, when she was confessing to Shiki, so she could finally drill further into her and stop her from lying to herself any longer. It didn't quite end well really, she wasn't able to save her from herself even with her truth bombs.
That's a pretty good explanation. She really doesn't seem to have anything on the same level as the other characters, but that's probably why I like her so much. She's trying to help everyone, even though she doesn't know how best to do it.
But literally everything between the legs is better.
To get herself a Harem. And in one ending she succeeds. Truly best girl, for whom what's in your pants matters not.
People forget the context of the educated prostitute line in the game, despite that not being quite what the original line should have been from what I've heard. Rather all the H-scenes were translated rather strangely, as Mollusk anything wasn't really in the original. Still though people think she's gaping or something, but Shirou says she's incredibly tight in that scene, because she knows how to control the muscles down there like someone with experience. It's a vag that knows self-control, the muscles there are fine tuned. They have experienced countless battles and came out ahead.
She also somehow manages to avoid having meat curtains as the CG's show, as it still looks entirely normal. Which is rather a plus.
Not that any ero company would draw meat curtains since shit would be ugly, just like they won't draw armpit or pube hair. Shit would be a boner killer. So in the fantasy world of 2D, everyone looks rather perfect because it's the world we asked for, rather than the world we have to deal with. 2D is the perfect world, everyone is beautiful in every way until people try to bring real world shit into it to make it seem more realistic, and in the process they start killing the reason we left 3D for 2D in the first place.
Point of this post, pubes are gross.
Don't ever fucking forget
Enough waifu-bitching "Your girl a shit, a shit", in order to say your girl is good by backstabbing everyone else with shit-talk.
We're going to appreciate all of them for now.
Something about tickling is kind of erotic
It was more like rationality is all she had to go on and she tends to go too far with it.
Ironically, she perceived that the grail war's system was broken and that was what was causing the shadow, but she threw away that surprisingly apt notion to conform to "duty". Her last talk with Shirou before they entered the cave even highlighted that flaw of reasoning. She is afraid to have faith, because faith can fail you. She says as much to him.
So her rationality isn't always a positive thing, and she spurned Sakura's attempts to give the olive branch many times. Sakura isn't without fault on that part either, but the crux of things was that Rin kind of overbearing, but that is common for people who tend to be praised as genuises. Humility is hard for them.
Which is why you still see even in Hollow, there is a lot that needs to be repaired in their relationship.
Being dirty oriental.
Rin took after the mother in appearance, took after the father in personality. Sakura took after the Finnish side more in boing boings, but took after the mother in personality.
I really like One Day for this, it has the perfect mix of comedy and character. And this little strip highlights the two sisters pretty well.
Rin works hard, but is also naturally gifted and is used to be being praised as such. She sees value in hard work since her hard work is oft rewarded.
Sakura tries her best, but since she often doesn't get that same praise even when having good results, she doesn't see the same value of hard work, it's just something you do, therefore confidence doesn't come easy.
No matter what anyone tries to tell me, I know Rin is the heroine of legs rather than butt.
That's what you say, until you actually get to know BB, which is who that's an image of there.
Despite having a pretty banging body, I would definitely say that's one case where the personality far outshines the physical parts as being her major draw.
The body type is a plus, but with BB she was basically carrying the show off charisma. Even Gilgamesh could barely keep up, or she's the person who's infuriated him more than anyone else to date.
It's more like having two cereal with the same box, but the contents are entirely different.
Same proportions, and done by a Sakura lover. Koyama would definitely make it great. His actual Sakura pics are good, along with BLACK's, Aotsuki's, even Fue makes better Sakura's with curves than Takeuchi.
If you draw Sakura right, you got to get the lustrous hair, child bearing hips, and curves right. The hair especially. Her rather silky but wild hair is good.
That's why the cereal box is the same, although even then it should be easy enough to tell with the hair, demeanor, ribbon, and clothing.
It's like saying Nero and Arthur look the same, but clearly one is red and one is blue, also one has breasts.
Cereal box looks as similar as Count Chocula and Boo Berry, but the contents and flavor are pretty different.
Rin's legs are great. But Medusa's legs are still the best.
>Gawain :: By the way, what do you think of Miss Kiara, Lady Kishinami? For my part…unfortunately she’s out of bounds. She does have an amazing body, but her age is rather, well…ah, it really is a waste. If only she had been born into this world ten years later…
The more you pay attention to this guy, the more overt his fixation on little girls becomes. His eternal fifteen year old king really spoiled him.
Naw, there was one scene that said it best, it's her generosity that is often really what shines. They have a scene where Rin, Sakura, and Shirou have lunch on the roof, and Sakura made the two lunch. Rin admits when they talk that even if she could make something of the same quality out of her own preferences, Sakura really shines at working through others preferences with variety, so her meals compliment the people she serves. That is an excellent factor for a chef. It shows attentiveness and adaptability. I think I remember another scene where she talks about changing the household diet a bit.
I'd still say that it fits the metaphor more that the boxes may seem the same, but the second you even start getting into the contents you notice they're not alike at all, and the flavor is different.
Second you meet the cereal and taste it, you'll notice instantly it's different. However if you're just looking at the box without knowing anything, you can't tell much.
It's partly because that pink vest that she gets from Taiga is just bad for her, and she looks 100x better if she takes that off. Darker colors work with her well rather than her image color that is the same as her namesake.
It's like how Satsuki is better without that awful yellow vest on her school uniform we saw during that April Fool's joke, and with her hair down.
Well, to be fair the goals of TM girls can shift depending on the route. But as long as we're only considering their purpose or goal in their own routes...
Rin's main goal is to keep Shirou alive. She'll use any method, even doing things that might maim him or make him hate her, as long as the result is him withdrawing from the war and surviving. Even actions that don't directly benefit Shirou, like her insistence on going after Caster, are still made with the goal of protecting Shirou, since he's going after Caster himself- so Rin wants to take out Caster first, before he gets himself killed.
Everything she does, from teaching Shirou the rules of the war (she was hoping Kotomine's crazy would scare Shirou the fuck off and make him withdraw), to trying to remove him from the war by stealing his command seal, to teaming up with Shirou against Caster, teaching him magic, using one of her command seals to keep Archer under control, trying to drive Shirou away after he loses Saber etc etc... She doesn't let it show but she worries about him pretty much 24/7 and everything she does is done with him in mind.
So, tldr, her objective is literally just 'Shirou'.
Different guy than that. She wants to give prowess to her family name after it getting pretty devastated during and after the events of the 4th war. Her family's goal has always been to reach The Root, and it was solely put on her shoulders to carry that wish after the major fuck ups from last time.
Well, I am more of the type to talk about the good points everyone has, so I don't really think anyone has shit taste.
Talking about the finer points of all these fine ladies is much more enjoyable.
Shirou. I'm not kidding. She was lusting after his dick long before the story started. The only thing stopping her was the fact she didn't know he was a mage (Kiri best dad, best mage, best guy- virtually everything that goes wrong can somehow be traced back to him). If anyone else but Shirou just showed up and said "Oh yeah, I'm an unlicensed mage that's been living in this city for my entire life and I don't really subscribe to the whole 'hiding magic' thing. And my magic is kind of, uh, not really cool with the Association" they'd be a vapor trail, not her partner in the Grail War.
I mean, yeah, she wants to succeed her father and family's goals, which is what drove her to enter the war in the first place, like >>123118056 said.
But Shirou trumps everything.
Face on the right really captures that sort of demeanor
>why does she also do Saber in Fate
>keep her on in that horrible ending in UBW
Because she knows Shirou is swaying and does it to keep him happy. Just like how she plays his wingman in Fate and helps him with Sakura in HF and never once tries to force a love triangle.
Basically she's a bro.
Just gonna leave this here.
We have to be honest, if we dig down deep in her spirit, she just likes being a magus and is a bit of a daddy's girl, who introduced her to that world. That is literally what supports her, her elegant father, the elegant family motto and all that.
When Archer questions her, she even admits she won't even use the grail. Even when most magi woulf love to take the shortcut to knowledge. She says the same thing when arguing with Ilya in the Fate route. She just wants the prestige. Objectively speaking, that is a pretty weak reason to enter a war where you might have to kill people.
She is like that cadet fresh out of the academy with all the promise one could want, but with little life experience.
Learning magecraft and having fun is enjoyable, and she loves her daddy. That is the core.
>Kiri best dad, best mage, best guy- virtually everything that goes wrong can somehow be traced back to him
I don't understand why people keep shitting on Kerry so much
>his wish was stupid
Which is why he was looking for a literal miracle to make it work. Wasn't really his fault the grail was fucked up, though the Einzberns really should've known by then. Not that they'd tell him considering he probably wouldn't fight on their behalf in that case.
>he fucked Shirou in the head
Shirou would've grown up to be fucked up no matter what. Kerry saved him from feeding Gil in the church basement for God knows how long. Granted the Seigi no Mikata thing wasn't very good but it Shirou misinterpreting Kerry's dying words, not Kerry fucking up somehow
>he taught Shirou magic terribly
At this point he barely had anything to teach Shirou and he was a broken man himself thanks to Seihai-kun cancer, and on top of this he was trying to prevent Shirou from ever using magic. He didn't think Shirou would be stupid enough to continue practicing it and he probably never imagined Shirou getting involved in the next Grail War or any instance in which he'd need magic, really.
There are actual fuck ups to fault him for but Shirou absolutely isn't one of them
Shirou, Sakura, and Rin all have their own specialties with cooking where they're unrivaled. Even your own image despite the filename states that she's about even with Sakura, not Superior in her field.
Sakura's shock is that someone could match her in her own specialty which she's trained in.
Rin was Chinese, Sakura was western or something, Shirou was Japanese? Rin says in Ataraxia that Sakura is better at keeping the person she's cooking for in mind and tailoring the meal for them, even if their cooking levels are about even. Rin is good, she's all around good though, but she'll make things her own way. Like she made the food spicy because she likes it that way, but Ilya didn't like it that way.
An entire thing during the last route was even them all trying to out cook each other. I think Shirou lost out but he gave his hope to Sakura at one point to try to knock Rin down a peg as he called it, since she was taking the top dog seat at the time.
Then, somehow Rin and Sakura ended up cooking at the same time the next day, Shirou asked Sakura to call Rin nee-san, and dinner turned out badly but they were happy.
Sakura is Western, yes. Shirou is Japanese, but Rin is better than him in it, and at least equals Sakura in Western.
Taiga never cooks that I recall offhand, and Illya has her maids for that shit.
You're forgetting the most important ingredient to any meal.
Cooking Holy War is on
Your servant is Elizabeth Balthony
The idea of a sane SHIKI and Sacchin waiting for Shiki on the other side hit me really hard for some reason. It was a powerful epilogue, way more so than Tsukihime's.
Because that's basically the only thing that we have left to talk about. Unless somebody brings up the new stuff, such as Apocrypha or Grand Order, and whatever's new about it (e.g. Achilles' RM generated some interesting, albeit brief, discussion), but Apocrypha at least has definite potential to also fall into waifuposting itself (Jeanne, Semi, Atalanta, Lolijack, Mordred, etc.).
The church kind of raised her in a convent while essentially treating her like a heretic because of the "ailment" she inherited from her mother, so she internalized that and claims that accepting everything is a mission to her from God.
Not really surprising she is a bit warped.
Wasn't the secret ingredient worms?
>This time Elizabeth points her finger sharply. No one in this place can look away from that finger. So there’s nothing I can do…but eat it…
>Nervously I sit at the table. Before my eyes is a red lump — ostrich meat bolognese. Okay, it doesn’t look so bad. It doesn’t smell weird. Shinji ate it before, but maybe there’s just something wrong with his sense of taste. It’s fine…it’ll be fine…
[The blue screen with the “please wait a moment” message from before comes up again.]
>Gilgamesh :: Large ether goes off as soon as it enters your mouth…!? Not even my vimana’s propellant has such capabilities! Mankind’s oldest, no, newest lethal bombing by cooking!?
>Sakura :: I, it can’t be! Vital signs are dropping at an unbelievable rate! Mach down!
>Rani :: It does not appear that there was any poison included. This dish makes a double attack on the taste buds and the soul by its disagreeable flavor alone.
>Rin :: What!? It can do this much damage just by tasting bad!? That Elizabeth…she’s terrifying…!!
>It’s an incredible flavor. Nothing as simple as sweet or salty. It was chaos itself. My stomach turns, I break out in a sweat, my whole body rejects this substance. But I can’t give in. I can’t spit it out. If I give in to the nausea, the path forward will be closed forever…!
>— though my eyes tear up, I somehow force all of it down.
>Elizabeth :: S, so, your impressions? Those are tears of joy, right? Right?
>Gilgamesh :: Your soul went off-color just now…perhaps this is another method of torture?
>No problem. I’m fine. The first bite, was just, a little, much, that’s all.
>Elizabeth :: It, it’s delicious, right? Right? [Another flash of red.] That’s marinated salmon, garnished with a jelly made from the lifeblood of a soft-shell turtle. I used the Moon Cell’s fresh seafood.
>The Moon Cell. The brain of god. Recording all things past, predicting all things to come, a virtual fishery abundant with seafood. Is that really all right. …I try to flee reality with such thoughts, but the reality I’m tasting pursues me without mercy. Even if my whole body immediately breaks out in an unpleasant sweat, I can’t let that still my hand.
[Many flashes of red ensue.]
>Sakura :: Ahh, President Kishinami’s face…! This is more tortuous than torture!
>Rin :: Why…why is it so red…put in a little bit of green or something! Even I’d include a little!
>Rani :: Please calm down, Sakura. You too, Miss Tohsaka. Though I have less idea what you’re saying.
>Sakura :: You’re the one who needs to stop not being calm, Miss Rani! I can’t watch this…!
>Rin :: No Sakura, you can’t look away. This…this is how that girl lives…!
>Rani :: That is the determination of one who stands above others. The post of president is truly arduous.
>Shinji :: Ha, hahaha…this is a nice feeling……………hey. Shouldn’t that be —
>No. There’s still food left. And —
>Elizabeth :: That one was hard to roast. It burns so quickly, you see. And that octopus was a tough fight. I’ve never eaten octopus, and no matter how I stabbed it and stabbed it wouldn’t stop moving, it was so gross…But, you like octopus, right? So I did everything I could to prepare it. I, I thought it’d make you happy!
Because the fandom rarely reaches a consensus about things and instead of bringing up new topics normally, people tend to shitpost until the other people leave to go to sneak in their own topic. I have seen rather interesting conversations about Sakura's powers and Imaginary Element get shut down and relegated to the same tired comments about worms, saying she is a shit magus so it doesn't matter what she can do, or some such crap.
Blame the people involved, not the topic. Also cooking in Fate is great, what's wrong with it? Makes you hungry?
A chef second only to Gawain himself.
No, Gawain cooked, and everyone hated it but didn't have the heart to tell him he sucked.
It's touched upon a bit in CCC. Whenever he cooked they just sat around in silence with dead looks on their eyes trying to keep it down, as he thought they were all so glad that they couldn't speak.
I mean of course, Arthuria fucking hates British food and every memory she has of eating before coming to Shirou's house was awful.
Do people really think that Lancelot was Superman fixing awesome food for her every day, or do they remember that she fucking hated the food back then, so of course it's not Mr.Perfect fixing anything there. Of course it's not "This guy who can do a lot of things, was he just fixing everyone's food and being awesome and everyone liked him, is that why Arthur loved the food back then?".
She especially hated potatoes due to Gawain's fixation.
Gawain believed in quantity over quality any day.
Gawain is the greatest villain of the series.
>She especially hated potatoes due to Gawain's fixation.
But there were no Potatoes in Britain in the 4th Century. They were an American crop that were brought over by the Spanish after the Aztec Conquests in the 14th Century.
I want to know how Saber ate potatoes in her own time when those are a New World crop that didn't exist in Europe back then.
I guess Nasu's plot-device faeries carried them over for whatever reason.
Everything is marinated in blood somehow, even if she made pancakes it would be bleeding somehow.
Fuck your science
>When it comes to meals, it is about quantity over quality, is it not? Large quantities of potatoes & vinegar & bread. That, along with ale, is enough for satisfy me. And vegetables as well. Eating carrots alone would do. That king and his fellows consumed those meals without a single complaint.
>What is it that she sees on the other side of the potato?
This is stupid and does not represent Rin or Sakura well at all. I played the game, those two can't stand each other and even in that HA game they start insulting each other when Rin comes back from London
>implying Gawain wasn't the greatest wingman of the series
His cooking was so bad when Saber ate Shirou's food she wanted to jump on his dick that instant.
>Gawain :: Good morning. We just finished breakfast. As it was a good opportunity, I decided to prepare Leo’s meal myself. How was your breakfast this morning, Leo?
>Leo :: Ah, terrible. I’ll need to you to do one hundred laps around the grounds and then apprentice yourself to Sakura after this, Sir Gawain.
>Gawain :: What!? Even though I prepared all the best ingredients!? My lord, is there perhaps some abnormality in your sense of taste!?
>Sakura :: Um…I don’t think that’s the problem…even if you have the very best ingredients, if all you do is mash them up and serve them you can’t really call it cooking, see, Mr. Gawain?
>Jinako :: ‘s true. Even I’d pass on that, and I’m a junk food junkie. Only farm pigs’d eat that. No, even the pigs would turn there noses at that garbage!
>Gawain :: Wha…what…!? But my king would always eat all of it wordlessly and expressionlessly, cool as always!
>Leo :: Hahaha. You were blessed with a kind lord in life, Sir Gawain. But I’m afraid I won’t be giving in so easily. From now on, I command that the only blade you take in hand will be your holy sword. The kitchen is no place for a knight, after all.
>Gawain :: Gh…I am still far too green in the realm of cooking…! Now that it’s come to this, I swear to put forth yet greater efforts! Allow me to build up an even denser stack of potatoes! Why, if daylight hours, I can make it three times over!
>Rani :: …he really hasn’t reflected on this at all. Sir Gawain is the real munchk…no, it’s nothing.
>Rin :: It’s no use…we really need to do something about this knight soon…
>Gawain :: …your scathing judgments break my heart…but! Though I am a knight of Britain, I will prove to you that I can make top-class mashed potatoes!!
>Rin :: That’s why we told you not to cook! Are Saber-class heroic spirits really nothing but meatheads!?
The list of historical shit Fate gets wrong without even trying to justify could fill a book it its own right. I half expect Nasu to show us the Siege of Troy being fought on the back of T-Rexes.
Just roll with it.
Shirou meant that Rin is equal in quality to Sakura's Western dishes, not that she cooks Western food. Sakura he admits is pretty much as good and getting better than him in Japanese, and Sakura is the only one who knows how to do pastries and desserts from scratch in the house, which she starts teaching Saber.
Rin tends to make great food, but people complain that she uses too much seasoning and makes it too hot, if I remember in HF, Ilya Ilya says she prefers Shirou's cooking and Sakura's beef stew because of that.
I think the only Japanese dish Rin ever makes is soba, which is quick. Rin is the kind of chef that has good stuff that fits her own taste. So intensely spicy Chinese dishes most of the time. I wonder where she got that from...
Illya's pool date was the best in HA
Ilya apparently has good bar-tending abilities.
Obviously. Because she's German.
Everything is presented "rather" correctly, it's shown that he's read the myths and can reference detailed parts of it, but Nasu always puts his own twist on it. He relishes the chance to twist it up somehow.
His method is basically "Take one part of the legend, and exaggerate the fuck out of it".
He addressed it in an interview at one point, basically they put "accuracy to the myth" below "How can we apply this how we want". Maybe it was Urobuchi saying it while commenting on the Fate style while commenting on Zero.
I will never look at Shirou the same way.
Yeah, this is the quote
>Since all the Servants are from foreign mythologies, how much research did you do for Fate/Zero? How much research did you do on foreign magical systems? Are there any other mythologies you wish you could have included in Fate/Zero?
>Our basic policy was that we used the settings of actual mythologies only as the basic foundation for ideas; rather, we would put the emphasis on how we could make our own imaginations grow from that foundation. As for the magical systems, we followed the systems applied to the world by Nasu-san rather than those of real occultism.
Was I the only one that had the strangest bone during that and laughing at Rider and Shirou being terrified and Ilya wondering what the fuck was going on?
Sakura purring Onee-chan in Rin's ear and making her knees buckle during the little sister competition was stimulating as well. I mean, was Nasu trying to make me ship yuri sister love or what?
You don't have a sibling do you. Sakura is envious at times of Rin, but openly fangirls her most of the time, and Rin tells Rider privately to take care of Sakura and help her, because she can be a gem with some refinement. She just never says this stuff to her directly because she is shy and firmly fits the overbearing older sister who admonishes you more than praises you.
Now if you want bad siblings, than Shinji is the worst big brother ever, never says kind words even when he knows her cooking is good, spills soy sauce on her new dresses on purpose, whines an out a smaller cutback on allowance, and is a slob who never bothers to clean.
That's directly contrary to F/Z
>Although she was yet young, she was destined to become a beauty in the future judging by her looks. Rather than her mother’s appearances, Rin had more similarities with Tokiomi’s mother when she was young.
That was Urobuchi's and Takeuchi ' evaluations, which are different from Nasu's. Uro said that Tokiomi was a traditional gentleman with nothing work with him, and Nasu highlighted Tokiomi's faults in Aoi's dictionary entry.
Sakura isn't really totally like her mother either, she has the part that worry about her partner, but unlike Aoi, she would be the pushy, obstinate wife. The steel part of the Yamato Nadeshiko.
Iron Sakura is a force to be reckoned with
It's a shame Archer never met Taiga or Sakura personally and interacted with them. Then again, it would of been a dead giveaway to his identity as those two could put it together in a heartbeat.
>forgetting about Taiga
Taiga has set herself up for the most severe fucking case of Empty Nest Syndrome when Shirou leaves.
>I don't think archer gives a shit abut any of them anymore
That's where you'd be foolish, or are confusing your own beliefs with reality.
>True Identity: EMIYA
>Image Color: Red
>Talents: Fiddle with junks, all kinds of housework
>Likes: All kinds of housework (he denies it)
>Dislike: Hero of Justice
>Worst enemy: Rin Tohsaka, Sakura Matou, Illya
>>Worst enemy: Rin Tohsaka, Sakura Matou, Illya
Even after becoming a guardian, he still can't deal with those three most of all. UBW notes that he cares for Taiga, CCC states he still remembers Sakura, it should be obvious as fuck he still remembers Rin, and Ataraxia shows he'll always remember Saber.
Guy has trouble with girls, no matter what. He's close to them once, and they're his weakness forever.
>he's a counter guardian
>on the earth
>on a catastrophe zone
>he does it for free
>he takes his "job" very seriously
>he does it because it is the only amount of happiness he will ever have in his pathetic life
>he deletes people he doesn't like because he gets upset other people would die
>he deletes people he doesn't like because he made a contract with alaya to save people but he can only do it by killing people
>he will never have a part time job again
>he will never move out of the throne of heroes
>he will never have a healthy mind
>he will never get to put anything on the fire besides swords again
>he will never have a girlfriend again
>he will never have any friends again
If you pay attention to Archer enough in the game, you'll note there's a lot of times when he breaks character towards each of the girls.
People think he's never shown anything towards Sakura, but that's not quite it. Like that time in HF when Shirou found Archer outside the church looking lost after they found out Sakura was abused for years.
Doesn't know what to do at first, then he starts talking to Shirou like he's talking to himself in reality. "It's too late to change, after all if we did that, Emiya Shirou wouldn't exist anymore". As though even Archer feels like he wants to break away from himself, but it's already far too late for him to turn away, he's committed and steels himself once more.
Yet, at the same time he doesn't deny Shirou picking a new path, he just sort of gives him a warning. Tells him that if he does pick a new path, he'll be judged by himself, and the Emiya Shirou that he's been up to this point will cease to exist. He tells him that this is what "Shirou" would do, but he can't pick the path for him. Almost as though Archer knows that this Shirou might end up picking a different choice entirely, his entire self will be tested here. Yet that's not really wrong, think about what Archer is really trying to say there.
It's an odd scene, Archer is just sort of looking lost outside the church, then finally comes to terms with something.
Of course Archer has the most telling scenes with Ilya most likely. Like that one moment in HF.
Still cares for all of them, but he knows how to put on a poker face at this point.
There are probably other scenes with Archer towards Ilya in HF, but I forget them at the moment.
Just take this instead, it's a good moment.
This is extremely moe.
>you'll never cuddle with Rin, Sakura, and Saber at a pajama party and then get it and talk about marriage
sometimes life just ain't worth living.
No. You're not one of three cute 2D girls who smell nice and I doubt you have cute silky pajamas either, knave!