What manga artist has the absolute best paneling?
I started thinking about it yesterday and I realized that's like an art form in itself, good paneling really affects the quality of the manga.
I have no fucking clue who might be better than who but it definitely adds a lot ot a manga, pic related or take any JoJo page and you'll see Araki takes almost every panel and cuts some of its corner, why? no clue but if they were all square instead I'm sure it would look different and feel different.
Even though the art is sometimes rough, I like Togashi's paneling
This. Togashi's paneling is amazing.
I always think Mashima's action flows well.
This too, although he went overboard with it after a while.
Renji's last charge against Byakuya is still one of my all-time favorite scenes.
Hox did a great post on this a while back, in case anyone's interested. Discussing the use of paneling in korean webcomics as well as manga. Interesting read, though I don't entirely agree with him.
>ITT newfags in a manga thread
Haven't seen that shit in forever.
Loved that manga. Matsumoto is a god, I swear. His paneling is always top tier. Very rarely matched.
On a related note, I think Asano Inio is overrated at times, but his paneling is really quite superb. Sometimes a little dense and subtle, and you miss a lot of the nuances if you read it fast, but he manages to jam a lot in there very efficiently and powerfully, while still creating a strong sense of flow.
I'm too much of a baby to be able to pinpoint the "best" with even 1% accuracy but here is some super clever paneling from Mao Dante
>stop trying to act high and mighty
people like you are the reason Taiyo Matsumoto material is targeted by shitposters so often. the man is friends with Eiichiro Oda, one of the most "lamestream" shonen authors, and they appreciate each other's work.
And One Piece is Hox's favorite manga as well.
if you're eyes know where to go next without even thinking about it. the top panel in this one makes me confused in the order i should see it/
maybe im a pleb
To be entirely honest, I actually really like that sequence and to think Kubo pulled it off in a magazine like Weekly Shounen Jump amazes me. How the hell did he get his editor to agree with that?
Talent is one thing, dedication is another. I can't respect a man without the drive to actually deliver a good product, even if he sometimes shines.
>stop trying to act high and mighty.
where do you think you are?
Put it this way, since I was elitist, you defended yourself, and we got a good discussion out of it. Nothing wrong with being accused, as long as you can provide an argument in your defense.
I thought the reason was Ping Pong and Yuasa?
Don't you have a mecha thread to be complaining about digital coloring in, BB?
OP isn't bad, it's just well known and generic and usually posted by retards who've only read like 12 manga, or shitposters. Like
Flow is how your eyes are directed down the page. Most important part, panels have to naturally drive the sequence of events in the right order. Poor placement makes you look at a future panel too soon or a past panel too late.
Impact, as in the way boundaries are modulated in order to emphasize and exaggerate. It's easy enough to create flow - look at any 50s comic book. Filmstrip style, all boxes, uninteresting but very direct and lucid. You have to rearrange them to make the important bits stand out.
Aesthetics, as in, independent of context, how interesting the panels look by themselves. Pic related is a great example
With a panel sequence like that you're supposed to look at them all at once. Like a panorama. It's not designed to give you a clear sense of direction, aside from top-down and left-right
Wow, that's actually deep as shit.
Publishers agree to crazy things. Hell, they were probably more than happy. Bleach is super popular, a sure sell. AND they save on ink.
That;s not paneling, it's keyframing
>OP isn't bad, it's just well known and generic and usually posted by retards who've only read like 12 manga, or shitposters
Fun fact, i am Asian so i probably read and know more manga than you casual Baka gaijin
I really like Hayakawa Nojiko's panelling. She replaces the traditional white space with shojo bubbles with psychedelic panelling.
This. The whole heart sequence, the hands, the panelling, the white space (I'm not even being sarcastic), was really well done, I actually cried.
the Yuasa and Matsumoto fanbases overlap pretty significantly. it's just this general holier-than-thou attitude of "artsy" fans that makes people who thought a series was just average or okay act as if it's the worst thing ever and spam that opinion to pester fans. I can relate to it; I haven't done it in like, 7 years though (and not for Yuasa or Matsumoto stuff).
you're perfectly capable of writing effortposts so why not actually explain why the paneling here >>122929838 is bad instead of just using a stock "heh. shounenshit." response?
You are pretty casual, anon
That isnt Doraemon
It means lot of jackshit since you fags can't even read shit without scanlation.
How does it feel knowing you will never read shit like Bakabon or full Phoenix or Hittoribocchino
Stay casual, anon
Because I don't think they're bad. I think that people bring it up too often and without justification. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because people always cite the most well-known series, which anyone with half a brain cell already knows about.
It reflects badly on the poster, and makes them seem like a casual.
I forget the name, it was the Doraemon guy's manga before Doraemon.
Where to even start.
Sometimes simplicity is miles better than complexity.
Its all about getting the point across.
It embodies everything I hate about western comics. I feel like I'm looking at an action sequence on a roll of film. Why no change of perspective, why no focus on blows, why no angular/vertical panels to express violence, etc
Also even gutters. Fucking even gutters, everywhere.
Viz released the series online digitally and people ripped it.
>Right to left
Disgusting, will not read and be nostalgia about
Granted the simplicity works well with his works because the shots are made with an architectural focus so you end up with frames.
It goes back to the point of paneling needing to ft with your tone, style and the message you want to get across.
you're assuming that people can't post HxH and also more obscure stuff. having a kneejerk reaction like that to something popular being posted is exactly why there is a grain of truth to all the "hipster" claims directed at certain fanbases.
besides, not everyone starts off with the popular big fighting shonens and then 'graduates' from them, and most of the people reading them (kids and teenagers) don't take note of things like paneling. it's interesting when someone points out that stuff.
also, that particular image was never posted before https://archive.moe/a/search/image/mk4fFOQbUT4XbDIunFFy6A/
No, its an allegorical/symbolic representation of a hack in progress being delayed by the server admin only its like a future internet thing were the internet has trascended our current understanding of it.
Or something like that, its complicated.
Theres no architecture in that page, what would be the point of posting that one beyond "fight scene"? It wouldnt have gone whith what I was trying to say.
Here, have a fight scene with some architectural composition in it.
The architecture isnt in the architecture itself but in the way the geometrical elements like the shields and circles are composed in the page as a whole, in case youre wondering
>criticizing the way a page flows when the you're reading text that goes left to right instead of down
This irreversibly changes the way your eyes move around the page, you fucking tards.
Because these two pages are symmetrical, along with the rest of the issue as part of a purposeful design.
The left and right sequence of panels both form three stages of an action, and in the context of the book, where Ozymandias is the closest thing to a superhuman, it forms a slow-motion sequence, as if we're actually looking at it in his perspective.
>why no change in perspective
The panels on the left slowly turn right in relation to the character, then the middle one completes the arc, while the ones on the right zoom in, then change the angle to the left. It's formed a 180-degree arc.
If youre going to critcize western comics you chose wrong to pick on Watchmen.
Also, manga isnt really any better. Id even go as far to say there are more garbage mangas out there than there are western comics.
There is a bigger production of mangas and a greater variety o mangas thn there are of comics.
Not to mention "the west" basically means the USA.
Stop being such a raging weaboo please, mangas are good but dont go and try to make stupid blanket statements about mangas and western comics like its a Sony vs Microsoft console argument on /v/.
>no change of perspective
I expressed myself poorly. Sure we do change perspective, but it still feels like we're seeing everything from the point of view of a bystander. It's the lack of creative perspective in figures and the constant use of full shots/american shots that I mind. It feels flat. It lacks rythm.
>There is a bigger production of mangas and a greater variety o mangas thn there are of comics.
I wouldn't say that; Japan is a small part of the globe and comics are a universal medium. their industry is particularly huge, sure, but I doubt it outweighs all the comics that could be considered "western".
>Not to mention "the west" basically means the USA.
a big issue with mainstream American comics, probably the biggest visually, is when genuinely good art is handed to cheap colorists to Photoshop some bullshit colors and shading over it because "shitty coloring is better than no coloring, I guess"
this is actually the best-colored scene in this entire comic because it actually uses different colors for the lights and shades. the rest is much, much worse and the colorist just airbrushed white and black as lighting/shading
>airbrushing white and black as lighting/shading
I'd use my triggered reaction pic but I already wasted it up there.
Well I guess that page isn't bad per se but if you're going to do a half assed job at coloring maybe they should consider leaving it black and white.
This looks like they hired a great colorist but only allowed him twenty minutes per page.
Naturally, but I think he pulls it off more often than not.
It's the main reason I still read his works; the scat & gore got old a long time ago.