What manga artist has the absolute best paneling? I started

ONE

Tezuka. Tatsumi.

Matsumoto.

Kubo

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>>122926371
I have no fucking clue who might be better than who but it definitely adds a lot ot a manga, pic related or take any JoJo page and you'll see Araki takes almost every panel and cuts some of its corner, why? no clue but if they were all square instead I'm sure it would look different and feel different.

Mizukami is excellent indeed, OP. Samura too.

Choo-choo, motherfucker.

Takao Saito is among the best. His stuff could easily be used as a cinema storyboard.

>>122926546
only correct answer
>>122927219
hahagreatpostwellmemedmyfriend.png

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Even though the art is sometimes rough, I like Togashi's paneling

>>122926546
NOTHING WRONG WITH ME

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>>122929459
wut

>>122929727
TWO

>>122929751
THREE

>>122929751
NOTHING WRONG WITH ME

>>122929783
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>122929803
LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR
LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR
LET THE BODIES HIT THE...

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>>122929300
This. Togashi's paneling is amazing.

Suzuki Nakaba.

>>122929838
I'm sad and mad that he might never continue the manga.

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I always think Mashima's action flows well.

>>122927219
This too, although he went overboard with it after a while.

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>>122930059
Renji's last charge against Byakuya is still one of my all-time favorite scenes.

>>122929824
OOOOOO WAAAAHHH AAAHHH AAAAHHHH AAAHH

Hox did a great post on this a while back, in case anyone's interested. Discussing the use of paneling in korean webcomics as well as manga. Interesting read, though I don't entirely agree with him.

>>122930097
>>122930059
>>122929838
>>122929300
>ITT newfags in a manga thread
Please leave

>>122927791
>Takemitsu Zamurai
Haven't seen that shit in forever.
Loved that manga. Matsumoto is a god, I swear. His paneling is always top tier. Very rarely matched.

On a related note, I think Asano Inio is overrated at times, but his paneling is really quite superb. Sometimes a little dense and subtle, and you miss a lot of the nuances if you read it fast, but he manages to jam a lot in there very efficiently and powerfully, while still creating a strong sense of flow.

>>122930281
OH OH

togashi

>>122930331
But Togashi is great faggot. I've read Matsumoto manga as well (Ping Pong, Sunny and No. 5) stop trying to act high and mighty.

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I'm too much of a baby to be able to pinpoint the "best" with even 1% accuracy but here is some super clever paneling from Mao Dante

SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE

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>>122930580
>stop trying to act high and mighty
>/a/nons

>>122930671
NOOOOWWWWW

>>122930740
people like you are the reason Taiyo Matsumoto material is targeted by shitposters so often. the man is friends with Eiichiro Oda, one of the most "lamestream" shonen authors, and they appreciate each other's work.

>>122930809
ps yes I know I'm part of the reason too

>>122929849
He's got a lot of KUBOOO backgrounds but from what I've read his only assistant is his wife which is pretty fucking amazing considering the quality.

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>>122930809
And One Piece is Hox's favorite manga as well.

How do you distinguish good paneling?

MTSP (Jin)

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>>122930996
if you're eyes know where to go next without even thinking about it. the top panel in this one makes me confused in the order i should see it/ maybe im a pleb

The heart

>>122931127
Kubo removes the need for paneling entirely, by making each chapter a panel.

>>122931127
To be entirely honest, I actually really like that sequence and to think Kubo pulled it off in a magazine like Weekly Shounen Jump amazes me. How the hell did he get his editor to agree with that?

>>122930747
SAY GOODBYE HELLO

>>122931168
each page*

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>>122931168
Like this?

>>122931182
Certain Jump authors have done double page blanks before.

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>>122930580
>Togashi
>great
Talent is one thing, dedication is another. I can't respect a man without the drive to actually deliver a good product, even if he sometimes shines.

>stop trying to act high and mighty.
where do you think you are?
Put it this way, since I was elitist, you defended yourself, and we got a good discussion out of it. Nothing wrong with being accused, as long as you can provide an argument in your defense.

>>122930809
I thought the reason was Ping Pong and Yuasa?

Don't you have a mecha thread to be complaining about digital coloring in, BB?

>>122930919
OP isn't bad, it's just well known and generic and usually posted by retards who've only read like 12 manga, or shitposters. Like
>>122931127

>>122930996
Flow
Impact
Aesthetics.

Flow is how your eyes are directed down the page. Most important part, panels have to naturally drive the sequence of events in the right order. Poor placement makes you look at a future panel too soon or a past panel too late.

Impact, as in the way boundaries are modulated in order to emphasize and exaggerate. It's easy enough to create flow - look at any 50s comic book. Filmstrip style, all boxes, uninteresting but very direct and lucid. You have to rearrange them to make the important bits stand out.

Aesthetics, as in, independent of context, how interesting the panels look by themselves. Pic related is a great example

>>122931081
With a panel sequence like that you're supposed to look at them all at once. Like a panorama. It's not designed to give you a clear sense of direction, aside from top-down and left-right

>>122931168
Wow, that's actually deep as shit.

>>122931230
Didn't shaman king have something like that once?

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>>122931182
Publishers agree to crazy things. Hell, they were probably more than happy. Bleach is super popular, a sure sell. AND they save on ink.

>>122931214
That;s not paneling, it's keyframing

>>122931269
They are separate pages though.

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>>122931248
>OP isn't bad, it's just well known and generic and usually posted by retards who've only read like 12 manga, or shitposters

Fun fact, i am Asian so i probably read and know more manga than you casual Baka gaijin

>>122931369
So am I
I watched every single episode of Doraemon ever made
And the movies
Every
Single
Episode
I wanna fuck shizuka in the milk tub

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I really like Hayakawa Nojiko's panelling. She replaces the traditional white space with shojo bubbles with psychedelic panelling.

>>122931182
This. The whole heart sequence, the hands, the panelling, the white space (I'm not even being sarcastic), was really well done, I actually cried.

>>122931248
the Yuasa and Matsumoto fanbases overlap pretty significantly. it's just this general holier-than-thou attitude of "artsy" fans that makes people who thought a series was just average or okay act as if it's the worst thing ever and spam that opinion to pester fans. I can relate to it; I haven't done it in like, 7 years though (and not for Yuasa or Matsumoto stuff).

you're perfectly capable of writing effortposts so why not actually explain why the paneling here >>122929838 is bad instead of just using a stock "heh. shounenshit." response?

>>122931369
>pulling the race card like it means jack shit
Fun fact: youre a colossal dumbfuck.
You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

>>122931230
Really? Who're they?

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>>122931415
You are pretty casual, anon

That isnt Doraemon

>>122931457
It means lot of jackshit since you fags can't even read shit without scanlation.

How does it feel knowing you will never read shit like Bakabon or full Phoenix or Hittoribocchino

Stay casual, anon

>>122931450
Because I don't think they're bad. I think that people bring it up too often and without justification. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because people always cite the most well-known series, which anyone with half a brain cell already knows about.

It reflects badly on the poster, and makes them seem like a casual.

>>122931465
I forget the name, it was the Doraemon guy's manga before Doraemon.

Sorry. Proto-doraemon.

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Where to even start.

Sometimes simplicity is miles better than complexity.
Its all about getting the point across.

>>122931542
>full Phoenix
This is available

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>>122931662

>>122931630
Last time i checked they only had up to vol 5 or 6 online

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>>122931248
>that pic
It embodies everything I hate about western comics. I feel like I'm looking at an action sequence on a roll of film. Why no change of perspective, why no focus on blows, why no angular/vertical panels to express violence, etc
Also even gutters. Fucking even gutters, everywhere.

>>122931630
It is now? Neat, how about The Three eyed one?

>>122926546
ONE? Or Murata?

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>>122931687
Viz released the series online digitally and people ripped it.

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>>122931777
>Right to left

Disgusting, will not read and be nostalgia about

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>>122931686
Granted the simplicity works well with his works because the shots are made with an architectural focus so you end up with frames.
It goes back to the point of paneling needing to ft with your tone, style and the message you want to get across.

>>122931748
ONE. He does some pretty neat shit with Mob Psycho, and the original OPM still has really good paneling.

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Is this good paneling

>>122931662
wat

>>122931662
Is this about Tanabata ?

>>122931866
Well yeah, it's nothing special though, except for the context.

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>>122931810
>not this page

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>>122931614
you're assuming that people can't post HxH and also more obscure stuff. having a kneejerk reaction like that to something popular being posted is exactly why there is a grain of truth to all the "hipster" claims directed at certain fanbases.

besides, not everyone starts off with the popular big fighting shonens and then 'graduates' from them, and most of the people reading them (kids and teenagers) don't take note of things like paneling. it's interesting when someone points out that stuff.

also, that particular image was never posted before https://archive.moe/a/search/image/mk4fFOQbUT4XbDIunFFy6A/

>>122931866
colored jojo is ugly as shit

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>>122931897
No, its an allegorical/symbolic representation of a hack in progress being delayed by the server admin only its like a future internet thing were the internet has trascended our current understanding of it.
Or something like that, its complicated.
>>122932005
Theres no architecture in that page, what would be the point of posting that one beyond "fight scene"? It wouldnt have gone whith what I was trying to say.
Here, have a fight scene with some architectural composition in it. The architecture isnt in the architecture itself but in the way the geometrical elements like the shields and circles are composed in the page as a whole, in case youre wondering

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Choreography aside Nightow

>criticizing the way a page flows when the you're reading text that goes left to right instead of down

This irreversibly changes the way your eyes move around the page, you fucking tards.

>>122931732
Because these two pages are symmetrical, along with the rest of the issue as part of a purposeful design.

The left and right sequence of panels both form three stages of an action, and in the context of the book, where Ozymandias is the closest thing to a superhuman, it forms a slow-motion sequence, as if we're actually looking at it in his perspective.
>why no change in perspective
The panels on the left slowly turn right in relation to the character, then the middle one completes the arc, while the ones on the right zoom in, then change the angle to the left. It's formed a 180-degree arc.

>>122926371

Hiroaki Samura.

>>122931732
If youre going to critcize western comics you chose wrong to pick on Watchmen.

Also, manga isnt really any better. Id even go as far to say there are more garbage mangas out there than there are western comics.

>>122932477
>Also, manga isnt really any better. Id even go as far to say there are more garbage mangas out there than there are western comics.
>a country vs 'the west'

>>122932509
There is a bigger production of mangas and a greater variety o mangas thn there are of comics.
Not to mention "the west" basically means the USA.
Stop being such a raging weaboo please, mangas are good but dont go and try to make stupid blanket statements about mangas and western comics like its a Sony vs Microsoft console argument on /v/.

>>122932622
>Not to mention "the west" basically means the USA.
L O L

>>122931431
Damn, that's nice. I think artists who come out of the shojo manga tradition have really interesting paneling ideas.

>>122931810
That and the scans are shit.

>>122932397
>no change of perspective
I expressed myself poorly. Sure we do change perspective, but it still feels like we're seeing everything from the point of view of a bystander. It's the lack of creative perspective in figures and the constant use of full shots/american shots that I mind. It feels flat. It lacks rythm.

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>>122932622
>There is a bigger production of mangas and a greater variety o mangas thn there are of comics.
I wouldn't say that; Japan is a small part of the globe and comics are a universal medium. their industry is particularly huge, sure, but I doubt it outweighs all the comics that could be considered "western".
>Not to mention "the west" basically means the USA.
c'mon dude.

>>122932797
>>122932657
For the purposes of comics? hell yeah it is. If anything ts got the biggest market.
Or are we also considering newspaper comics here?

>>122932832
>franco belgian comics are newspaper comics
Welcome to the 60s.

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>>122932766
a big issue with mainstream American comics, probably the biggest visually, is when genuinely good art is handed to cheap colorists to Photoshop some bullshit colors and shading over it because "shitty coloring is better than no coloring, I guess"

this is actually the best-colored scene in this entire comic because it actually uses different colors for the lights and shades. the rest is much, much worse and the colorist just airbrushed white and black as lighting/shading

>>122932228
That panel extending off the page actually works really well, wow.

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>>122926587
>Tezuka

>>122932903
>airbrushing white and black as lighting/shading
I'd use my triggered reaction pic but I already wasted it up there.
Well I guess that page isn't bad per se but if you're going to do a half assed job at coloring maybe they should consider leaving it black and white.
This looks like they hired a great colorist but only allowed him twenty minutes per page.

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This is pretty great paneling.

>>122933074
Love shit like this when they show the same scene from different angles.

>>122933061
Did he die ?

>>122933140
Not on that page

>>122931248
>Watchmen
>good
fuck off /co/

>>122933123
I like it more because the gun is the focus of the tension in the page. Also the fact that it divides the two guys, as well as the panels of them, to drive home the fact.

>>122933268
Yes, it's a really good spread.

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No love for Shintaro Kago?

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>>122933310

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>>122933338

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>>122933387
Why would anyone draw this ?

>>122933387
Holy shit what the fuck

>>122933310
Kago's paneling is arguably more experimental than anything.

>>122926546
Came here to post this.

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>>122933686
Naturally, but I think he pulls it off more often than not.

It's the main reason I still read his works; the scat & gore got old a long time ago.

>>122933310
In the same vein, I would go with Furuya.

>>122932413
Hell no. Blade of the Immortal sucked.

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>>122926371