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https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index:NT_Volume12_Chapter_3

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>Etsu ain't no Esper.
>The Age itself has chosen him as the world's king.
>Descendant of King Arthur who has been chosen by his Shield.
>And he's going to beat the shit out of Mugino with it.

The ride never ends.
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>>122898889
Guys... I'm getting a bit tired of Index. I mean, will it ever end?
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>>122899042
I stopped caring about this shit after vol 22
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>>122898889
Goddamn St. Germain is a dick, not it's Touma's fault if someone dies.
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Shield bashing mugino huh.
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>>122900528
Wut?
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>>122900609
Part 12
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>tfw mugino gets off scot-free without even a complementary beat down
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>>122898889
is this the new fate thread
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>>122900857
Meanwhile Touma gets blamed for someone dying because he was unable to save someone he didn't even know existed.
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>>122900934
obviously, only an idiot would use an unrelated series for the op image.
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>>122899042
>I mean, will it ever end?
Hahahahahaha
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>>122900934
>>>122900965
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>>122900996
To be fair, Touma blamed himself for the exact same thing in NT 9 when he saw everyone still alive and happy.
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>>122898889
>Touma's face when he will get blamed for Frenda's death
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>>122901140
The suffering never ends.
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>>122901182
It really doesn't.
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>>122901140
>implying it isn't his fault
don't tell me you think the perfect world just happened to not have him in it. he doesn't just bring his own misfortune, he is the source of all misfortune in the world.
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Why does Touma need to suffer so much?
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>>122900857
Meanwhile, Mugino is laughing all the way into Hamazura's dick.
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>>122901182
I sincerely hope that he will flip out
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>>122901332
Might as well blame him for global warming.
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NT12 is so boring aside from Touma's suffering and Othinus.

At least it's miles better than the garbage that was NT11.
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>>122901343
All part of the plan.
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>>122901440
I sincerely hope he actually becomes Demon King like it has been "foreshadowed" after the bullshit he has gone through.
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Anyone else feel bad that Index got ditched?
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>>122901551
Who?
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>>122901551
No
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>>122898889
>Spoilers
>Believing St Germain at face value
>Implying Aihana wouldn't just blow himself up when he uses the shield and it ends up doing something else beneficial for Germain
>Trusting anyone who says Touma's at fault for not being around when someone he doesn't know dies
I mean sure NT4 set a precedent for situations being bad only if Touma isn't there; but that doesn't mean you go and kill him for not being there, because then logically he'll never be able to stop anything ever again
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>>122901551
She'll show up later anyways, Othinus needs to meet up with her, remember?
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>>122901662
Kids are stupid especially those that look like a girl.
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>>122901498
Well since Touma it's basically a cup of water that it's about to spill I can see that happen.
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>>122901662
I don't think Aihana is thinking all that logically right now.
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>>122901767
I was mostly talking to OP making all those claims in his spoilers, but it applies to Aihana too
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Someone shop an uncut smegmadick into this pic please
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It actually is Touma's fault, but not in the sense Saint Germain is saying. Just like the people he saves directly or indirectly praise him for rushing to save him, isn't it natural that the people he does not help resent him? Of course, it's stupid to expect him to save everyone, but it's Touma's fault for not realizing people can be stupid like that. Sure, he probably could have saved Frenda if he was there. Yes, it's ridiculous to expect him to be everywhere at once. But it's just as ridiculous to save enough people to become famous and not expect some people to resent you for not being there for them when you were there for other people.
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>>122901551
No.
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>>122901551
Who is Index again?
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>>122901551
I fucking hate her, she's basically a speaking dog and 0 character development
>woof woof give me food
>*bites*
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>>122901595
>>122902275
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>>122902200
Why did they translate it with "give it a wash" anyways? How do you want to wash food?
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>>122901551
Literally who
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>>122902396
Come to think of it. Index was never developed as a character. She started out as a useless appliance on Touma's balcony and she remained one. She's like a broke refrigerator that wont give you your food back.
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>>122901551
Let me tell you. When Touma went through hell for her and she herself being hunky-dory while continually mooching off Touma I've lost all sympathy for her and only see her now as fap material.

Perhaps soon she'll become the magic god. The "servant" to Touma's "king" as St. Germain put it, but right now, I don't give a shit.
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>>122902203
>victim blaming
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>>122902735
Touma made the choice to save all those people. Maybe he wasn't intending upon being a superhero like Shirou, but that doesn't change the fact people view him as one. If he can't deal with "saving one person means not saving another" then he should mind his own damn business. If he can, then he should just suck it up and deal with the consequences of people being stupid.
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>>122902918
He already knows that he can't save everyone, but that doesn't mean that someone can blame him because he wasn't there at the right time for someone he doesn't even know. He could flip the question and instead ask him why he, his supposed friend, wasn't there to help her
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>Descendant of King Arthur who has been chosen by his Shield
But how? Mordred was Arthur's only son and he died too.
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>>122902992
I never said it was OKAY or RIGHT for people to blame him, just that it was inevitably going to happen because people are stupid
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>>122903009

It's a japanese light novel. It's the lowest of the low what the fuck do you expect. Turn off your brain, read it and shut up.
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>>122903009
Except that he is a descendant of Arthur's twin, did you actually read it?
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>>122902557
That's not strictly true.

Index is plenty capable of being kind, nurturing and gentle.

She also can be used as a plot device or, depending on circumstance, a trump card.

Unfortunately Index is way too comfortable with Touma and frequently shows off her greedy jealous side.

That isn't the real problem though, because those traits aren't too bad.

Its those traits coupled with her absolute inability to examine her own flaws and empathize with the trouble she causes Touma.

Index's main problem is her selfishness.

Index has grown (partially) as a person. But unless she throws off that selfishness, her character development is seemingly stagnant.

>>122902203
NT 4, 9, 11 and now 12 have all dealt with this idea.

I can understand it, but its still bullshit.

In 4 and 11 it was somewhat acceptable, because Touma was there/should have been there.

If Touma had arrived 5 minutes earlier in NT4, Bersi could have been saved.

In 11, Touma wasn't blamed, Misaki was, because she was accidentally responsible for preventing Touma from being there.

NT9 comes at it from a different perspective, but still contains the theme of people Touma couldn't save
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>>122903180
Except he isn't descended from either of them.

Did you actually read it?

> But that is an issue of probability that people often call coincidence. I only had to find someone whose genetic information was similar enough to the bloodline and bloodstains on the few items the king left behind.
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>>122903236
kamachi.exe, why won't you write Index properly? She's in the title!
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>>122903388
Well it says that he has genetic information similar to Arthur, and Anne is the only one who could leave behind those similarities.
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>>122903180
>>122903388
Adding on to that

>If St. German was correct, some child in Academy City had been born with the qualities needed to activate this legendary shield. And it was not due to bloodline; it was a complete coincidence.

Its pretty explicit that he has no blood link to Arthur or Anne, who may not even exist.
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Does anyone else think Index is intentionally handled improperly because her importance is being saved?

No I am not an Index shipper nor is Index my favorite character. I just think she's being intentionally saved for last.
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>>122903566
Oh crap. Well I was wrong.
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>>122903640
Index is my favourite character, and I just think that Kamachi can't figure out how to write her.
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>>122903821
That could be possible? After all, wasn't Index only supposed to be one volume? It seems natural he'd put her in the title and then not be sure how to write her if the series was unexpectedly continued.
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>>122903821
>Index is my favourite character
Dude.
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>>122903640
I think that too. It's like how main heroines usually get a weak arc in the beginning because their big moment comes later on. Too bad by that point, the fanbase has already decided on what girl they like since the other girls got stronger stories already.

I think I said it before, Othinus isn't there to steal Index's spot but to help her become relevant via magic god shenanigans.
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>>122903821
what do you like about her
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>>122903645
It happens.

I'm actually liking it because its such a massive departure from the usual bullshit.

>You are the decendant of a 2,000 year old bloodline. Only you can pick up the sword!

My reaction can be summed up as

Over 60 generations. 1 scion. Nope
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>>122903940
Well she seems like a genuinly good person stuck in a weird situation. She tries her best, but acts like a child all the time because she essentially is one what with all the memory rewipes. Plus, she really does care about Touma, but doesn't know how to help him. And she's cute.
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>>122903939
This. I don't even think this story has a main "heroine" - either "love interest" or "main female character".
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>>122903939
>Othinus isn't there to steal Index's spot but to help her become relevant via magic god shenanigans.
Too bad Othinus actually stole Index's position as main, closest and most important girl for Touma.
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>>122902448
Because it's literally about penises
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>>122904087
This. People who shit on Index seem to forget she has her own issues. She really does care for Touma and does seem to have a good heart. I get not liking the fact she bites Touma and asks for food, but that doesn't make her a bitch. She's just a kid that's been mindwiped repeatedly and been forced to memorize a bunch of dangerous shit. Who knows what all she's been through? Probably even she doesn't.
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I want Index to get eaten by food.
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>>122904137
>yfw Index goes full magic god and does the whole infinite worlds fight with Touma

Plot twist: Touma's a god by that point too.
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>Kamijou Touma was not present in that story.

Oh, you bitch.
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>>122904137
Tell me that when Touma literally says "I care more about Othinus than Index". You're just trying to start a shitty shipping war.
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>>122904321
>You're just trying to start a shitty shipping war.
You would have had the reason 4 years ago. No one cares about shipping Index now.
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>“It is because they do not see what I gain that people fail to understand me and view me as a con artist. That fact has allowed me to find the king and it is the single trump card that could overpower even those Magic Gods. I overpower magicians and spurn the Magic Gods as they urge me to join their ranks. I remain the truly stable crystal that is St. Germain. They arrogantly call themselves Magic Gods, but they are nothing more than counselors without a king. They are a foolish group that has yet to realize that true power cannot be obtained as an individual. On the other hand, I have obtained you as a nucleus. Ahh, if Othinus had only come to understand Kamijou Touma before losing her power, she might have walked a different path.”

You guys ready for King Touma with counselors Index and Othinus?
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>>122904087
what do you mean trieying her best?
No i asked seriosly.Touma cares much abou Index,
but most off the times he complaines that all she does is eating
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biribiri a best girl
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>>122904386
No one should care about shipping anyone at this point but you still have shits saying "m-muh Othi-tan and Touma pairing ;_; it's so cute and sweet and perfect" when it's literally Stockholm Syndrome and unsettling as fuck
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>>122904519
Just ignore them, they think they're better than any other shipperfag.
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>>122903009
>>122903109
He's not even a descendant.

It's just a coincidence that his genetic material happens to be similar enough to qualify.
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>>122904321
Are you retarded? You don't need those things spelled out of you. Have you even read NT9-10-12 at all?

>>122904519
>"m-muh Othi-tan and Touma pairing ;_; it's so cute and sweet and perfect
Nice strawman.
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>>122904507
Biribiri is so KAWAIIIIIII
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>>122904519
>doesn't want a shipping war
>keeps replying to the guy riling people up
Everyone else is trying their best to ignore it and I expected you to stop but you keep going so I have to speak up.
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>>122904571
Im not any kind of shipperfag it just angers me how people are reacting to this
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>>122903109
Kamachi actually does know his shit, he just disregards it if it gets in the way. Like how nuns aren't really lolis in miniskirts or the pope isn't a wizard.

Though in this case he might not even doing that. St Germain is probably lying his ass off.
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>>122904638
True
>>122904661
All shipperfags should be ignored, no matter what the pairing.
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>>122904638
>KAWAIIIIIII
Fuck off back to whatever shithole you crawled out from.
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>>122904754
I jut got that feeling where you want to squeeze and cuddle someone really hard when anon posted that pic, and I literally said it out loud that she's kawaii.
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>>122904229
>>122904087
Touma has her leeching off in his house for reasons he has not clear about and now she feels like he's her property and doesn't feel an ounce of guilt when she brutally attacks him for stuff clearly out of his control. The way she shamelessly leeches from his money, eats all his food reserves, and yet still feels entitled to treat him like dirt because of a female being near is really, really shitty.
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>>122904805
I think biribiri is cute too, but you need to fuck off now
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>>122904821
>brutally attacking him

You are really fucking over-exaggerating biting, aren't you? It's not like she tries to stab, shoot or kill him.
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>>122904869
You're just butthurt because your feelings aren't as intense as mine
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>>122904901
I wouldn't even dare to get mad or abuse him in any way that when said person houses, feeds and gives you the best place to sleep at his place. This is why Index is truly a shit even if she cares about Touma. There's no consideration for him at all outside of him being the caretaker and her being able to demand and want everything that he can offer. There is no worse girl than her in the series.
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Touma is quite broken.
But now he has his best friend.
But what he needs is a Bro.
What he needs is guts.
So please could someone inject him
with Guts.
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>>122905070
Gunha is still waiting for his chance to inject Mikoto with guts
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"Aihana" you fucking dumbass.
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>frenda is a tactician he specializes in bombs and is still a level zero
>somehow shiage "plot armor" hamazura was a better option to live
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Mikoto a shit. A SHIT.
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Thinking about it, people who have fought Touma get their lives changed. So having the shota fight Touma is just another step for St. Germain in completing his project, I think?

Seems related to the whole aeons thing about Touma being related to Choronzon who allows people to move on.
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>“The materials do not matter and it has the ability to pierce through as many as two million knights at once. It is a horizontal downpour of death. Doesn’t that seem like enough to exceed the limits of Imagine Breaker and tear him to pieces?”

I dunno. Considering how small the actual beam is, Touma could probably dodge it with his precog. His right hand also stopped the Dragon's Breath, which was dense enough to reach an orbiting satellite and completely destroy it.
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>>122905323
Daily reminder that THK is a tsundere himself
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>>122905304
anon, she isn't even half as good as hamazura is
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>>122905304
Frenda fucked up at the most crucial moments. She can't beat anyone like that.
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>>122905410
I think the idea is it can fire 2 million separate shots at once.
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St. Germain seems awfully concerned about killing Touma. Even the shield seems to be of secondary importance, despite its words.
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Why is Hamazura disappointed all over again that espers can't use magic? This is shit he should already know from Birdway (which is also mentioned).
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>all these people giving Touma shit for not saving their asses when he doesn't even know they exist

At this point, Touma should just prepare a recording that summarizes his speech against Rensa or Accelerator so he can hand them out. But then again, that costs money.
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>>122905793
It just sucks hearing it again.
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>>122905793
Hamazura isn't a very smart man.
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>>122905731
I don't think his priority is killing Touma but more about having Aihana fight him as part of his plan.
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>>122905588
come on anon, she had that fight won. after all that flipping and shit she did, her trigger just happen to fall out then and land on the tape. it is as bad stiyl tripping on a rock.
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>>122905793
He's an idiot. I thought we established this already.
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>>122905952
Fucks up at crucial moments constantly.

Her fuckups even cost Mugino.
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>>122905793
>there were people in the last thread saying hamazura would have done alright because he has encounter magicians before
>he acts he has never even herd the word magic
it is probably because kamachi doesn't have enough faith in his readers to believe they would remember what happens when espers of any level use magic.
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Can from Kakine´s dark matter created shit "grow" on other people, like for example giving mugino a permanent dark matter arm or giving some legless dude legs?
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>>122906057
Even then, Hamazura has no counter against magic, and certainly nothing against the sort of monsters Touma usually fights.
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Why are we encouraged to shit all over Touma, Shiage, Index, Mugino, Othinus, etc. in these threads but can't say anything remotely negative about Mikoto without being considered a troll?
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>>122906111
yes, that is exactly what byouri kihara was doing
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>>122906057
Eh, his surprise at hearing Touma say it's magic seemed more of the "That's happening here?" kind of thing. He didn't ask for an explanation after all.

It's not like he's ever fought a magician personally aside from Cendrillon, and he did jack shit in that fight.
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>>122906111
Sure, but that would require a shitload of trust from the person you're giving it too, since Kakine would be able to gank you any time he feels like it and would be constantly aware of everything you're doing.
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>>122906152
Because nobody in these threads has spent 10,000 posts trying to troll Indexfags into the ground.

Also, this is more shitting on Kamachi for inexplicable writing (like the Lessar-Misaka thing) than anything else.

>>122906179
>This was an opportunity to destroy the hierarchy set up by Academy City.
>Level 0s could break free of that title.
>The Parameter List would lose all meaning.
It would bring so many happy changes.

He had the EXACT same thoughts when Birdway told him about magic in Touma's room.
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>>122906152
Because none of those characters have an actual dedicated shitposter to themselves.

Reminder that threads have been spammed for over 6 hours with Mikoto hate when no one else was even talking.
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>>122906152
Mikoto is well known for having a spammer. Most well worded criticisms aren't considered troll. But if you just say "Mikoto a shit" or "I hate her" then you'll get dismissed as spammer
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>>122906312
Yeah, because the same thing occurs to him when he heard it this time.

It's like if you have terminal cancer and you're told it's untreatable. You still may imagine yourself cured every time someone mentions chemo.
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>>122906152
Because Mikotofags are fucking autistic. Autistic fans attract autistic shitposters.
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>>122906312
>like the Lessar-Misaka thing
I'm still fucking mad about that.
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>>122906462
I'm pretty sure everyone here is equally autistic anon.
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>>122906011
>gloating instead of shooting down the dolls
>mugino couldn't see big ass streaks of bomb tape on the ground
not frenda's fault mugino is retarded
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>>122906499
Mugino really is fucking retarded
>loses to a level 0
>twice
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So Frenda basically has the Solntse sitting around in her apartment, right? I can't imagine what it would be other than a very, very, very big bomb.
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>>122906389
>Most well worded criticisms aren't considered troll
HAHA OH WOW.

Surely you weren't in some threads a couple of days ago, where the simple fact of arguing Index is more representative of the franchise than Mikoto was shitposted to hell by Mikotofags.
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>>122906278
>>122906158
Then why is he so jealous of acclerator when kakine already got the best power?

He should stop being a faggot with his beetles and just walk down the street and fertilize the egg of every woman he comes across, using his dark matter to spawn sperm in their wombs

Who wants to be the faggy accelerator when you can be known as impregnator
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>>122906532
>causes more damage to herself than he did
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>>122906532
Who hasn't lost to a Level 0 in this series?
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>>122906572
Index and Mikoto are equal in that regard
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>>122906690
Touma doesn't count.
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>>122906572
That's because Mikoto is so popular that she got her own series, and is also the most popular female character in the series. Mikoto has beaten Touma in popularity before.
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>>122906577
kakine is proud of his power now. he wanted to get crowley's attention in battle royal, and just wanted revenge in NT6. he has been pretty high off his power in his second coming and has been looking for ways to get better. problem is there is no reason why, it isn't like he has expressed that he wants to take over the world or anything. he just keeps trying to improve his power.
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>>122906690
Kakine, Gunha, Saints
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>>122906577
It's sorta funny, Accelerator and Mugino managed to praise his power while mocking him to hell.

>“Don’t mock meeeeeeee!! Th-this is…This is all mine. I am me!! D-Dark Matter is produced from my brain…from my Personal Reality. How could that…how could the power I brought about myself betray me like this!?”

>“It no longer matters who was first,” said Accelerator as if he was singing. “What the flesh-and-blood organs connect to is no longer an issue. You obtained the infinite, so you broke past the need for that kind of thing, right?”

>“…!!”

>The throat belonging to that which had been Kakine convulsed.

>Mugino finally caught on to what was happening and tension left her shoulders.

>“Ha ha. Being too powerful is its own problem, #2. When a network made up of flexibly replaceable equipment has a portion become isolated from the rest, the isolated portion becomes a small network of its own. And you have the ability to replace lost body parts like a planarian. In other words…”

>“The one who stopped him is also Kakine Teitoku. …Or may be it would be better to say the one who stopped him is now the Kakine Teitoku,” said Accelerator.

>It was only during that last statement that Accelerator did not smile.

>He showed his respect for someone he had never seen who was not there at the moment.

>“There had to have been a lot of different things that made up the whole of Kakine Teitoku. And a lot of those things would normally be invisible due to the great concentration of the whole. But when the network became isolated, things not normally seen rose to the surface. Like the gum syrup built up at the bottom of an iced coffee being scooped out.”

>“There would have been the cowardly side of you, the short tempered side of you, the vain side of you…and the kind side of you. But who would have thought it would be this form of the #2 that would wrest control away from the rest?”
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>>122906866
>The desire to protect someone had won out over the desire to kill someone.

>The desire to create something had won out over the desire to destroy something.

>The desire to stop a fight had won out over the desire to continue a fight.

>“I take back what I said,” said Accelerator without hesitation. That was something he did not often say. “Academy City’s #2 esper power of Dark Matter is one hell of a power. It was wasted on the likes of you. And it was clearly too much for you to control.”

>“Ah…ah…”

>“Come to think of it,” added Mugino Shizuri with a puzzled look. “Do we have any proof that this one was actually the core? The #2’s mind was scattered over the system, and this one was the closest to the surface. But nothing says what showed itself on the surface was Kakine Teitoku’s true nature. Weren’t we just battling the very outer layer of his mind this whole time? Then again, even just that was no easy task, so I guess the #2 really is no normal person. …Oh, and make no mistake. I wasn’t complimenting you when I said that. I was talking about the real one.”

They're both such bitches.
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>>122906866
>"Like the gum syrup built up at the bottom of an iced coffee being scooped out.”
Has Accelerator always used Kamachi-tier analogies for everything?
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>>122906741
That doesn't justify the amount of HURR THK autistic shitspoting in that thread.
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So I haven't read past WWIII, Is Accelerator still kill his enemies, or is he super righteous later on?
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>>122906948
He just loves his coffee.
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>>122906980
he still tries to kill his enemies.
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>>122907261
Good, I dislike it when characters are too good to kill when necessary.
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A certain divine cup appearing in Index when?
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>>122907360
Fate crossover when
I don't think that the powerlevel fags could handle it to be honest.
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>>122906866
>>122906926
Accelerator x Mugino is now a new OTP of mine.
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>>122907404
>Touma one-shotting Servants but losing to Shirou

I wouldn't know how to feel about this
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>>122907404
When will Kamachi and Nasu fug?
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>>122907709
Kamachi is a computer program and Nasu is a mushroom, I don't think that would work out.
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>>122907404
Kamachi writing yet another Fate spinoff when?
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>>122907750
>implying it would get translated
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>>122907404
I don't care about powerlevels, I just want delicious character interactions
>Shirou and Touma being bros
>Shirou cooking for everyone
>Misaka and Rin bickering
>Gilgamesh calling Accelerator a mongrel
>Kiharas vs Keirei
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>"Touma wasn't there to save Frenda, therefore he's guilty!"

What kind of retarded shit-faced logic is this?
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>>122907799
>Shirou and Touma being bros
This seems very odd to me and I don't know why. I can't put my finger on it.
>Shirou cooking for everyone
>Misaka and Rin bickering
>Gilgamesh calling Accelerator a mongrel
Do want.
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>>122907799
I believe Shirou and Touma would clash horribly. They wouldn't be able to approve of one another, because they're hypocrites. It's okay to sacrifice yourself for others, but it's not okay if someone else does the same.
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>>122907932
It's like being told that Santa brought presents to everyone but you, except in this case the present is life-saving medicine for your dying sister.
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>>122907985
I figured they'd get along because they are so alike and they don't seem to be the self loathing type
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>>122907985
They would in fact clash terribly. Shirou would like Accelerator a lot more I think, he likes Shinji after all.
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>>122907932
What bothers me more is the fact Kamachi is still beating the Frenda subject. Christ, just let her die already. She was a rather insignificant character before being killed off.
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>>122908065
Being alike isn't always a good thing. Touma tends to react very badly to other people sacrificing themselves.
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>>122908074
I got the impression Shirou just tolerated Shinji. Not that Accelerator and Shinji are alike at all
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>>122907785
Why are Type-Moon translators so worthless?
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>>122908157
Shinji and Shirou were friends until Shinji went nuts from getting taunted by Zouken constantly. Shirou still considered him his friend though, because Shirou is insane.
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>>122908143
True...but I don't recall Shirou out and out saying "I'll go die for your sake" but rather "I'll go fight for your sake" which is literally the same thing Touma does
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>>122908137
I think it's nice that even an insignificant level zero can move the world.

A Level Zero that is not Hamazura, rather.
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>>122908178
67.99%
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>>122907985
>>122908074
Think it would depend on where in their respective series they are and which route Shirou is.

Pre-memory loss Touma is basically Fate Shirou, pre-NT9 is basically UBW, and post NT-9 is basically Heaven's Feel.
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>>122908245
Shirou always puts himself second. He always pulls suicidal moves to protect others. Even if he doesn't say it, his actions show everything. Touma can't approve of someone like that, because he has that same quality.
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Kuroko is so damn sexually
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>>122908288
That's just commie's fault. Fuck you herkz.
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>>122898889
Tfw i avoided this thread because OP used a saber pic and i thought it was a fate thread. Anyways that fake level 6 is some annoying little shit
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>>122908308
Not really, post NT9 Touma still would try to save someone if he sees them in danger, like he saved Misaki
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>>122908308
>Pre-memory loss Touma is basically Fate Shirou
No he's fucking not. Pre-memory loss Touma at least had something resembling a desire to protect himself. Fate Shirou took a Berserker smash to the gut without even thinking.
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>>122908322
Eh, not anymore though. Remember, all of New Testament has basically been about Touma learning to be selfish.
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>>122908375
Touma punched out thirty armed thugs on rocket skates with nothing but his fists and would have died if he didn't have a brain surgeon on hand.
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>>122908137
S-Screw you. Frenda deserves to be significant. Better yet, she deserves to come back ;_;
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>>122908440
>Still gets beaten by Shiage

I'm no longer mad but goddammit
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>>122907932
Touma killed Frenda when he destroyed the perfect world

Touma a shit
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>>122908369
>>122908369
Sure, but HF Shirou probably would as well, he just puts Sakura first. If he seems someone in danger I think it's unlikely he'd abandon them as long as it doesn't endanger Sakura.

>>122908375
Yeah, and pre-memory loss Touma took an explosive piledriver to the gut for Misaki without thinking. They're pretty similar.
>>
The reason Kamachi pulled the Frenda card is probably because he needed Hamazura to have a meaningful role in the story.
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>>122908308
You've put your finger on why I don't really care for HF or post NT9. They are very similar
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>>122908462
Backstabbing bitch deserved what she got.
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>>122908440
Doesn't that kind of suggest that he punched out thirty armed thugs on rocket skates with his face rather than his fists?
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>>122908486
Touma was mentally shaken since he thought he was on the verge of being thrown back into hell, and had just fallen 3 stories. Wasn't exactly in peak shape.
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>>122908462
Snitches get cut in half
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>>122908582
if you think about it a lot the head is rather like a fist
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>>122907709
But Kamachi works all the time and Nasu literally cannot stop playing his video games. I don't know how that's going to work out.
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>>122908550
>>122908599
She loves Mugino, but she did what she had to do to survive. Quit hating such a QT.
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>>122908713
They accidentally get handcuffed together and Urobuchi eats the key. Slowly, they realize their true love isn't their work, but eachother.
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>>122908802
But that's forbidden love.
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>>122908713
>implying that Nasu won't let Narita write it's part
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>>122908802
10/10 I laughed
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So the Aihana Etsu here is still the fake, right? I get confused when I read a volume in little chunks
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>>122908753
Traitors deserve absolute punishment
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>>122908877
Yeah, he's fake as hell.
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>>122908877
>>122908916
Some people have been saying that Aihana Etsu may have super bullshit meme qualities like St. Germain does.
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>>122908753
Being cute doesn't save her from being a rotten bitch inside.
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>>122909026
The theories are developing over time as more of the novel comes out.

Currently it seems that he's actually not an Esper at all and instead has the unique ability to wield King Arthur's shield.
>>
I am Aihana Etsu.
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>>122907932
>Touma wasn't there to save Last Order/Bersi/Mitsuari, therefore he's guilty!"

Being a main character in Raildex is suffering.
>>
>>122909123
I am Aihana Etsu!
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>>122909166
Last Order was repeatedly saved by Accelerator. And Accelerator went ape shit on Touma because he wasn't saving Last Order right then and Touma told him to do it himself
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>>122909166
No one gives Hamazura any shit.

Instead he has a well-paying job, a cute, docile girlfriend, a nice apartment, several friends, and Accelerator and Kamijou Touma on speeddial.
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>>122909166
Really touma just tell these pricks to fuck off and solve their own shitty ass problems nigga has enough to deal with already
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>>122909175
We are all Aihana Etsu!!
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>>122909294
Hope*
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>>122909294
"B-baaaaw baaaw I have problems too!!1"

Most of Touma's problems are caused by him running to save people. If he didn't rush in like a heroic idiot, more people probably would solve their own problems
>>
we know that merlin exiisted in Raildex.
ergo he is not dead.
which means someday we will see him.
hobe he is a funny badass troll.
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>>122909416
He's probably going to spank Carissa.

>We'll never see a fight between Knight Leader and Lancelot
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>>122909390
Most of his trauma comes from the fact that he has Imagine Breaker.
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>>122908884
>Traitor
she left to die, they deserved no loyalty
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>>122909575
They got pushed back by superior forces.

Dark Matter and Measure Heart is a rather terrifying combo.
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>>122909566
I agree that Imagine Breaker did give him issues, but the majority of his problems literally come from him rushing to save people, which makes the thing he saved them from mad, which causes more fights and so on and so forth. Touma himself causes the majority of his problems outside of Imagine Breaker.
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>>122909575
:she was left to die
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>>122909649
>>122909566
In addition, it also causes butthurt from those he did not save, which is still coming from he's rushed to save so many people he's famous for it
>>
So correct me if I'm wrong the two kids are faking to be etsu and etsu himself is faking to be the actual level 6
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>>122909648
anon pls, mugino carried rikou to safety, but left frenda behind twice. it was clear from her treatment of her and hamazura that back then mugino didn't give a shit about level zeros.
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>>122909724
"Aihana Etsu" is the actual #6's name.

It's just the Aihana Etsu we're reading about here isn't him, it's someone using his name, but Kamachi hasn't revealed their actual name.

The real #6 is god knows where.
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>>122909779
Mugino is probably one of those "she'll survive. If she doesn't, that's just how much she was worth" types. But she didn't count on getting sold out instead.
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>>122909779
Rikou is more useful than Frenda, that's just simply true. It makes perfect sense to grab her.

And like >>122909833 said, Frenda at least has some survival skills. Rikou has the combat abilities of a dead goldfish.
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>>122909792
Ohh so the person in that heroes arc was just another guy faking to be etsu but somehow that nigga was strong
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>>122909833
that is actually what she said the first time she left her. the second time she was said she was dead or captured, and was more concerned that they didn't have time to replace her.
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>Frenda apologists

Disgusting.
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>>122909942
>having an amputee fetish
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>>122909942
If Mugino was right, then why does she regret it?
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>you will never buy eggs with Touma
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Could someone remind me why in vol 19 when aiwess was talking to accelerator some of his words were like gibberish like wtf happened
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>>122910020
Biribiri should just give him some money if she wants Touma to like her so bad, she's a fucking millionaire and Touma's almost starving to death.
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>>122910163
angel speak, gabriel does the same shit and accel did it too
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>>122910163
She was trying to express concepts that don't exist in the real world.
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>>122910190
That would be shameful for Touma.
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>>122910236
she?
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>>122910236
"she" wtf
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>>122910236
>she
does that look like a girl to you anon
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>>122910387
Yeah, pretty much.
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>>122910387
Why does it look so fukin creepy like shit
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I want to fill Touma's hole with my seed.
>>
Does aogami have any siblings?
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>>122910387
Not him, but it does.
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>>122910503
just imagine him walking down the street talking on a cell phone
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have a quastion does chi exist here?
and do you think we will see Magic God Herakles.
he could really understand touma because he kind of expierenceed the same.
and i hope for scathech.
she is the real deal
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>“G-g-gbaaahhh!!!???”
“Wh-where’d this come from? What did we ever do to you, Kami-yan!? It’s not like you were wanted alive or dead and the entire class chased you around trying to kill you, so nothing calls for that kind of cruelty!!”
With his competitive spirit worked up, Demon King Kamijou Touma raised his right hand.

>“It is because they do not see what I gain that people fail to understand me and view me as a con artist. That fact has allowed me to find the king and it is the single trump card that could overpower even those Magic Gods. I overpower magicians and spurn the Magic Gods as they urge me to join their ranks. I remain the truly stable crystal that is St. Germain. They arrogantly call themselves Magic Gods, but they are nothing more than counselors without a king. They are a foolish group that has yet to realize that true power cannot be obtained as an individual. On the other hand, I have obtained you as a nucleus. Ahh, if Othinus had only come to understand Kamijou Touma before losing her power, she might have walked a different path.”

King Kamijou Touma when?
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>>122909166
But no one even blamed Touma for not saving Mitsuari. Misaki was at fault for that.
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>>122909123
>>122909175
>>122909295
No, you are Anonymous. I am Aihana Etsu.
The real one.
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>>122911048
I don't know if Kamachi just messing with us because he knows people were asking about demon king Touma or whether he really want to put Touma in that position.
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>>122911083
SHIT

RUN FOR THE HILLS
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>>122911048
If othinus wasn't a dumbass she could have easily removed the fairy spell when she was a full magic god but welp
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>>122911163
>implying that Kamachi will buff Touma
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>>122911199
maybe atfer he lose imaginebreaker.
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>>122911199
>The opponent Kamijou Touma completely lost to was not a monster from the magic or science sides. It was a normal soldier who had gathered as much normal power as possible. This functions as an important brake in this series. If he can ever defeat someone like that without thinking, the series is as good as over.

It's the endgame.
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>>122911163
Demon king touma shall arrive soon
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>>122911303
Talking with the dragons counts as thinking, right?
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