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Production I.G vs ufotable

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Which studio is better?

Both are known for stunning visuals and art design, and they're both considered pioneers in computer animation.

I.G. boasts a lot of classics like Ghost in the Shell, Mobile Police Patlabor and Jin-Roh while also maintaining a presence today with works like Guilty Crown, Robotics;Notes, Attack on Titan and Psycho Pass. They also have Mamoru Oshii on board, one of the most innovative directors in the industry.

ufotable have only recently come to promonence, but they're generally considered the best studio when it comes to animation today. There aren't a lot of anime that have more fluid animation than Kara no Kyoukai, and on top of that, they're doing a good job at adapting the Fate Franchise, starting with the universally popular Fate/Zero.
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KyoAni
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>>122889262
Production I.G hands down.

Their newer shows aren't really memorable and easily forgettable like maria whatever it is but the animation is nevertheless still above the standard average.
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>stunning visuals
>IG
are you joking.
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>stunning visuals
>ufotable
are you joking.
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>>122889262
I.G. has done more impressive shows than Ufotable considering their long history, but their TV shows these days lack polish compared to Ufotable's. Their digital work also isn't that great these days. But I.G. at their best beats Ufo's. They've got more contacts with talented animators and directors, not to mention they have the likes of Hiroyuki Okiura and Tetsuya Nishio working for them who are among the industry's best animators.
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>>122889432
Are you mongoloid?
Production ig are the best studio out there, it's not even a fucking contest.
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>>122889432
The world disagrees with you, kid.
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Production I.G. makes the better anime on average, even when taking into account recent disgraces like Maria.
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>>122889432
Oh fuck off lelouch.
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>>122889461
>>122889477
No they are certainly not the best studio out there, IG has picked up a reputation for that QUALITY episode, They are better than most I'll agree but "stunning visuals and art design" is going over board for a studio that isn't even top 3.
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>ufotable
Enjoy your shitty CG, special effects, and Type/Shit
>IG
So good its not even worth comparing to ufotoilet
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>>122889262
>they're generally considered the best studio when it comes to animation today
By who? People who refuse to accept that KyoAni knows how to animate?

Anyway, this goes to ufotable without contest, but only because they make less things and so have less opportunity for major fuckups.
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>but they're generally considered the best studio when it comes to animation today
I disagree, their animators are quite good but their real strength is their special effects department

>There aren't a lot of anime that have more fluid animation than Kara no Kyoukai
What? KnK has a lot of great scenes but they aren't that fluid. It also helps that they had movie budgets for it.
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>>122889570
>Enjoy your shitty CG, special effects, and Type/Shit
wut
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TMS.
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In recent time, no contest
ufotable absolutely slaughter IG.
I mean basugay, maria and arise ain't exactly what I can call superb animation.
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>>122889536
The Ghost in the Shell movie looks about 1000 times better than Gode Ceass you colossal faggot.
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>>122889262
But SnK was WIT and R;N looked pretty mediocre.
>Psycho-pass
QUALITY
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>>122889746
This is what TMfags believe.
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Ufotable, especially recently. I loved Majokko Shimai no Yoyo to Nene
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>>122889753
No one even brought up Code Geass, What is wrong with you?
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>>122889811
It's true that I.G.'s TV series have been lackluster in the animation department though. They tend to get it right with their movies though. Well, save for Arise which frankly looked mediocre outside of the first movie.
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>>122889811
>ufotable is typemoon bitch
I love this meme.
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It doesn't matter since KyoAni trumps them all.
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>>122889934
This.
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>>122889262
Ufotable because none of I.G's modern shows are worth remembering whatsoever and they even look like shit. Ufo on the other hand has made the godly Garden of Sinners, the great Fate/Zero and now the good Fate/stay night. Some of their smaller works such as the short Tales of were also nice timewasters.

Production I.G may have been one of the best 10 years ago, but nowadays they downright suck.
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>>122889456
This was produced 15 years ago and still looks better than anything Ufotable's ever done.
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IG with Mamoru Oshii = Godlike
Ufotable is very good at mixing CG with 2D animation but they are still far from IG's prestige.
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>>122889262

Currently? ufotable without a doubt. IG has a glorious history, but their recent works are average. Still picture matches in Basugay, QUALITY in the majority of Guilty Crown and PP episodes. It's like they aren't even trying.
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In b4 Sunrise
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>>122889432
Watch GitS movie and Jin-Roh before you start making this statement, Lelouch.
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>>122889794
I.G co-created SnK
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>>122889262
IG for originals.
ufotable for adaptations.

Everyone's dicks stays happy.
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>>122889995
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>>122889995
No shit, Sherlock. Like I said, I.G at their best are mighty impressive. Still, it's a shame their digital composite work in the Blood movie remains as one of their best. They haven't made much progress in that area, the colouring in Arise for instance looks atrocious.
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>>122889995
Jin-Roh looked better.
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>>122889746
Haikyuu had great animation though
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>>122889746
Haikyuu had some great cuts
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>>122890178
I see, any webms to prove your opinion?
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>>122890187
This looks average at best.
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>>122890164
In terms of animation, sure. But Mitsuo Iso's scene in Blood is a masterful showcase of combining digital effects with hand-drawn animation.
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The cancerous type moonie fanbase has moved out of their fate containment threads it seems.
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>>122889853
We all know where your alleigence lies, "Lelouch !!vKeby4ZIHSI"

Christ, don't you feel embarrassed for being a tripfag with the name, "Lelouch"?
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SHAFT > Trigger = IG > Kyoani > * > I
ufateable
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>>122890227
>>122890222
This whole scene is great
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>>122890178
>>122890187
Haikyuu's animation was consistently solid, but it wasn't excellent. It got the job done anyway, so I ain't complaining. I.G. sure did spend a lot of money on that one though, the animation credits were always packed with names.
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>>122890121
>I.G at their best are mighty impressive
Same goes for Sunrise too. Have you seen their OVAs?
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I.G did dead leaves, that is enough.
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>>122890303
>Trigger
>Even in a discussion of good studios
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>>122890323
Considering it was a TV anime that adapted a WSJ manga it looked great, just compare it to the shit adaptation quality of things like World Trigger or the big 3
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>>122890364
LWA and Inferno Cop gave them two niches they're great at
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>>122890347
Sure, Sunrise can do good stuff too. But I'm still more impressed by I.G.'s movies like Innocence and Jin-Roh where Hiroyuki Okiura had a major role in them. His realistic style of animation never fails to impress.
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>>122889262
DEEN wrecks both of them, no contest.
:^)
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>>122890303
>Trigger
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>>122889262
Production I.G by a landslide. I honestly don't like the way Ufotable shows look. Something about the really digital look bothers me.
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>>122890394
Meme shows are now a niche?
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>>122889262
ufotable is good at adding CG effects/models natrually (compare to most studios) into the animation and it looks great. It also puts a lot of effort into drawing backgrounds.

It's pretty average in any other aspects though.
Not really comparable to IG.
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>>122890755
Do you actually believe that?
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Why do we have only two choices here?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4pHtzc_4Rc
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>>122890901
Because these 2 are considered the top CG digital anime maker.
Funny they didn't even include sunrise or xebec who did yamato.
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>>122889262
>implying Kyoani isn't better than both of them by miles
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But /a/ told me that Kyoani is the best studio.

Was I being lied to?
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>IG
>award winning big boy in the industry with +10 sub-studious

>Ufotable
>Cheapshits who only get praise for their Type-Moon shit adaptions
>Everything not-Type Moon gets ignored or is garbage like Gyo
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Years ago, I would have said IG, but now they aren't as good as they used to be so I'm going with ufotable.
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ufotable obviously

>>122889746
this
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judge by yourself

Tales of Vesperia OP by IG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve4LqfqpdSE

Tales of Xillia 2 OP by ufo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve4LqfqpdSE
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>>122891193
The resemblance is stunning.
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>>122891193
What do you know, they're identical in quality.
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>>122889262
I would say IG, because of their history. they made a lot of great anime and visuals.

but nowadays?
definitely ufo
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>>122891193
>taking game openings as examples.

Blazblues first OP was by Gonzo and so was the second.

The first looks miles better than the second.
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>>122891193
SHIT, I've messed up

Tales of Vesperia OP by IG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve4LqfqpdSE

Tales of Xillia 2 OP by ufo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB4bvAK__Ks
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>>122891321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty1ZyQ5Hv4Y
Of the few Tales openings from Ufo, their Xillia opening is their best.
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>>122890990
>Everything not-Type Moon gets ignored
A shame, really.
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>>122891282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8pKHTS0nh8

It helps that the opening was a solo key animation work by Hironori Tanaka.
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>>122891441
The longest thread for this I've seen reached about 30 posts. Good film too.
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>>122891823
Yuck
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>>122889386
> Their newer shows aren't really memorable and easily forgettable like maria whatever
Funny you mention Maria since that's actually their best show in recent years. But I sure as hell can't wait for Sarusuberi. Also, they should fund new Oshii Ghost in the Shell movie as to show these Arise shitheads how it's done.
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>>122889262

>IG
>Ufotable
>good visuals and art design
>pioneers in computer animation
>a good thing
>Kara no Kyoukai
>fluid animation

There is so much retardation in one post I have a hard time telling if this is masterfully crafted bait or a really retarded and ignorant moron
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>>122892460
>computer animation
>not a good thing

Hush, grandpa. CG animation is the future and the anime industry is embracing it.
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>>122892517

>the industry is embracing it so it's a good thing

The industry only cares about money, if they get to kill off talented animators that cost a lot of money when they can replace it with amateur cgi animators which can do more work for less then they will. It has nothing to do with improving the quality of the shows.

Enjoy your plastic visuals and animation from now on because some ceo wants a new yacht
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Ufotable's post-processing ultra-digital philosophy is some stupid shit that will date their shows pretty quickly. Kara no Kyoukai already looks dated. The stupid Fate/Zero final fight between Kotomine and Kiritsugu already looks dated. The first God Eater OP looks dated.

That said, Yoyo to Nene, Minori Scramble and Yuri-seijin are gorgeous and way better than anything they've done for TM or game OPs.
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>>122890227
You must not watch a lot of anime these days if you think that's anywhere near average.
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>>122889934

this

just saw kyouhao no kanata, jesus fuck i thought nobody in japan knew how to visualize in 3d and animate the correct perspective instead of profile, handful of 3-quater view and police lineup shots
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq5CV71SD1s

ufotable needs to do more like this; this is probably the best looking thing they've ever done
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>>122892915
It's worth noting that the guy who animated the OVA is not working at Ufotable anymore.
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>>122893016
He's always been freelance.
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>>122893016
He was always a free lancer. His most recent work just happened to be trying to salvage SAO S2 at A1.
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>>122892860
Their photography is fantastic, but their approach to CG textures could use some changing. They should abandon their semi-photrealistic style and switch to something more cel-shaded for their vehicles for instance. Something like KyoAni's approach towards CG vehicles would be nice.
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>>122892656

Redline was the last hurrah for purely hand-drawn animation. Its financial bellyflop almost killed Madhouse, nobody will ever try anything on the same scale ever again.
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>>122893212
Their photography clashes with the character art; if they drew their characters with volume and more 3D-looking like IG used to do for their movies it would be fine, but their characters have typical anime profiles, noses that make no sense in perspective, angular chins and inconsistent eyes, the 3D realistic cinematography just doesn't work. It's most evident in the first God Eater OP.
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IG is doing multiple shows per season so quality is no longer comparable to ufotable
But if they were concentrating their resource on only one they'd be unmatched
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>>122893248
>financial bellyflop almost killed Madhouse
that's Madhouse every single season
they had to be sold off to not die off
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>>122889262
>Ufotable.
>Not mentioning Yoyo to Nene.
>Mentioning Attack on Titan and Guilty Crown.
>Implying Mamoru Oshii's didn't reach his peak with the first GitS movie and hasn't been producing shit ever since.

1/10 made me reply.
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>>122893212
I think more than semi-photorealistic they just need to actually look at it more. The shadows for example here are far too harsh. Usually the biggest problem is caused by bad camera tracking.
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Ufotable's good when they don't do Fate/Shit.
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>>122891321
I.G. more impressive than Ufo.

Probably Ufo use all their budget for the lightning and background design. But they must be moron if thinking that using mach speed action to fool audience with "sharp eyes".

The action is generic and probably designed by 3DCG / computer rather than draw manually. I.G has better sakuga in Tales of Vesperia, they use slow motion and detailed action.

in short, for these two videos, I prefer I.G.
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>>122893965
Coyote Ragtime show was shit.

Futakoi was decent at best.

Gyo was terrible.

What does that even leave? Gakuen Utopia?

ufotable might as well just change their name to TM animation works at this point.
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Type-moon has a fanbase rivaling if not exceeding that of mainstream shounen.

All ufotable does is get to make high-budget adaptations of an already extremely popular franchise. DEENstay Night even broke 25k for fuck's sake.

It is the single more fair-weather sailor of anime studios. There are at least a dozen studios you could put in ufotable's position and they would crank out the exact same shit.
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>>122889262
This is the second time some retard who has no idea what they are talking about starts a thread about comparing two studios, both times being presented similarly. Does that mean OP is getting paid to gather this kind of information?
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>>122895287
I think they just need some good source material
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ufotable relies too much on flashy choreography instead of good animation, but recent IG projects have been weak as well.
True answer is obviously Kyoani.
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Jc staff >>
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IG because Cromartie and Azazel-san.
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>>122896362
Ufotable has good animation though, not just flashy choregraphy. It's quite clear in UBW and Yoyo to Nene.
They aren't KyoAni-tier when it comes to acting and shit, but they have been trying hard.
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Why are all the old studio like DEEN, IG and Madhouse getting show up hard by young upstart like Kyoani and ufotable?
What went wrong?
Those old farts cant into computer?
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>>122896635
You're right, what I really meant to say is that the choreography doesn't really allow their animators to show off their talents well.
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>>122896683
KyoAni is actually older than IG.
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>>122889995
>it was a long time ago so the animation should be worse
What?

Studios are just more lazy because it's cheaper and more profitable that way, Production I.G are no exception. Very few studios attempt to break that mold, ufotable is one among few others that do.
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>>122896970
>Very few studios attempt to break that mold, ufotable is one among few others that do
Sure thing.
Using too much CG effect to hide shitty animation is really "breaking that mold".
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>>122893248
Saguka: The Movie
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>>122897109
>too much
Says who?

You've never seen a studio blend CG into their animation as well as ufotable have, I can assure that.
This entire thread is clearly a "my favorite show was made by X studio so they're better" thread, and it just so happens that most of /a/ dislike the new Fate anime because it's gotten popular amongst normalfags.
Comparing studios always turns to shitposting because they don't like the material they adapt, rather than comparing the visuals and actual faithfulness to their material, or even something as simple as if the studio is trying hard enough. Ufotable adapts T-M work because they have a close relationship and work together to ensure the material is faithful, Nasu even wrote the new parts that were added into the ufotable UBW anime to ensure that they're canon.
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>>122889262
Remember that ufotable released the 1st KnK movie one year after DEEN/stay night.

What the fuck DEEN.
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The visual style ufotable uses in Type Moon adaptations makes me want to vomit. I just don't understand why people are so smitten by it.
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>>122897791
I'm a TMfag and I don't like that either. All that CGi fog and smoke is awful.
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>>122897583
Fucking this. Ufotable and KyoAni both makes a very good use of CG. People complains that Ufotable does nothing but TMshit, but when they do non-TM shit (Yoyo to Nene) they don't talk about it.
And to be honest, their TMshit top-tier production-wise, aside from that one QUALITY episode in F/Z and the batcave fight, Ufotable has progressed a lot since KnK.
>>122896700
Yeah I can see that. The choregraphies in UBW where really more DBZ like, wich takes less effort animation-wise (except for the Kuzuki/Shirou fight I guess).
I would really like to see Ufotable do some kind of SoL show or any kind of TV anime not involving combats, just to see how they do with actings alone. Actually, I'd love it if they used the TM money to make an original.
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>>122897583
>You've never seen a studio blend CG into their animation as well as ufotable have, I can assure that.
Rewatch Innocence, it still looks a hundred times better than anything by Ufo's CG team.
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>>122898466
Innocence is a high-budget movie dude. Can't compare it to any Ufotable production.
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>>122897583
>You've never seen a studio blend CG into their animation as well as ufotable have, I can assure that.
KyoAni? Their CG is so good you can't even tell it's CG.
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>Production I.G
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>>122891321
The I.G one has better character animation, but then again that's probably their best tales OP. The rest of them look like cheap garbage, especially Graces.
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>>122900545
Where is the QUALITY ? I don't see it.
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>>122900905
That isn't the worst one in the lot. Then again, they're moving quickly and it's a long distance shot anyway. He's just shitposting.
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>>122900545
Taiga looks funny.
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>>122889262
Is the IG symbol supposed to be a panda?
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>>122891321
The Vesperia OP has a few cheap-looking frames/cuts while Xillia 2 is more consistent.
Other than that, there isn't much difference between the two, wich is to be expected for OP's.

That said, I prefer the Vesperia one, the cuts with blue fighting the golem and pink in the flower field (forgot their names) are really cool and kinda make up for the shitty ones like the horrid cut where a spell is used against the monsters.

But it probably comes down more to directing that animation quality, the few scenes with a lot of action going on in the Xillia one being either fairly short or simple.

This one >>122891404 is both consistent and kickass though.

>>122895180
Their machspeed action is on model though, also most japanese animators use paper and so does Ufotable. People wo complain about digital animation forget that the "digital" part is used for FILMING (and every fucking one do that, nobody's going to waste their time painting cellos anymore).
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>>122898813
I can't eve recall ever seeing CG in Kyoani.
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>>122900545
I'm not seeing any animation in this still picture.
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>>122901891
In Hyouka, first episode, the cut where Oreki enter the litterature room and see Chitanda for the first time. The background is made in a really well-done 3DCG.
There is also a cut near the end of the Disappearance movie, the one where they get on the rooftop of the hospital.
Their worst looking 3DCG is probably in Haruhi when they fight against that digital lifeform made in shitty 3DCG inside the computer.
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>>122901812
I think ufo's action is kinda monotone, compared to Yutapon's sakuga.
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>>122901891
See? That's my point. They're so good at it you have no clue it's even there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCLHP3CRRo&t=271
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>>122902572
>>122901891
There was this one horrible cg crowd in Free. Almost Baby Steps tier.
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>>122903130
Free is shit though.
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>>122889262
ufotable is Nasu's personal onahole. I.G. at least has some diversity going on.
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>>122902044
Didn't Kyon have a CG alarm clock in Disappearance? I might be misremembering but I think it did.
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>>122903330
Im looking forward to ufotable without the limitations of type moon shitty stories and characters.
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IG isn't that great anymore, but they used to have so much fucking technical ability in that studio that it was mindblowing.
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Currently, UFO beats IG easily.
What people who say "IG is better" don't remember is that those good shows that they're thinking of are old now, and IG has not been that good for a while, while UFO is at their peak (last KnK movie, F/Z, UBW, Majokko).

>>122891321
Post Xillia 1, it's much better than both.
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>>122903497
And God Eater is better?
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>people defending IG after Psycho Piss
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>>122903989
Of course. Anything not based in porn game is better by default.
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>>122904040
Epic.
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I thought Haikyuu!! was good.
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>>122889262
>ufotable
>not Ufotable
It's a proper noun and it's at the start of a sentence. There's two reasons you have to override the cute little styling they use.
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>>122890187
You should at least post one then. That looks really unremarkable.
>>122904612
It's the only good thing they made in years animation-wise, though I haven't watched Maria yet.
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>>122904612
Diamond no Ace is good too but that's a joint project with Madhouse.
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>>122889995
GITS 2 is easily the best animated thing IG has ever done.
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>>122903990
The movie had amazing animation faggot
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>>122897583
This nigga knows.
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Sunrise, they made Gintama
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>>122907227
>amazing animation
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>>122907829
>they made Gintama
newfag pls go
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>>122889262
>this post
Don't you fucking hate it when fucking newfags pretend to know what they're talking about, and people buy it?

>Both are known for stunning visuals and art design, and they're both considered pioneers in computer animation.
What? How? They're not Pixar for fuck's sake. Most of IG's most famous stuff use very little CG. And ufotable, though they do use CG quite a bit, especially in aftereffects, are hardly pioneers - they really only started doing that shit in the new decade.

>I.G. boasts a lot of classics like Ghost in the Shell, Mobile Police Patlabor and Jin-Roh while also maintaining a presence today with works like Guilty Crown, Robotics;Notes, Attack on Titan and Psycho Pass. They also have Mamoru Oshii on board, one of the most innovative directors in the industry.
SnK was more WIT than anything, can hardly considering production cooperation the same as, well, being the main studio. Anime is incestuous, all studios work together to some extent. Mamoru Oshii is a great director, but he hasn't made an anime in almost TEN YEARS. Wouldn't say he's "onboard".

>ufotable have only recently come to promonence,
Manabi Straight was pretty well loved on /a/. And NinNin, and Futakoi, and whatnot. Not just on /a/, but everywhere. Famous shows in the 2000s. Not THAT recent.
>but they're generally considered the best studio when it comes to animation today.
By who? Who fucking thinks that way
>There aren't a lot of anime that have more fluid animation than Kara no Kyoukai,
I'll name 10, all in the last 10 years, each a different studio

Redline
SotS
Gundam Unicorn
The Madoka Movie
Ponyo
The Wan Piss Movie (Any)
Dissapearance
Omae Umasou da
Welcome to the Space Show
Princess and the Frog

KnK, production wise, is middle of the road AT BEST
>starting with the universally popular Fate/Zero.
>universally popular
Since fucking when? F/Z was a piece of shit for anyone not new.

>150 replies
You retards should feel bad for eating up his shit.
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>>122908548
>this post
Don't you fucking love it when fucking turbonerds unleash their autism and wreck some newfag?
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>>122892860
>Kara no Kyoukai already looks dated
Are you retarded?
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Can we at least agree that they're both great?
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>>122909557
I do.
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>>122889794
And season two was somehow worse.
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>>122908548
>The Madoka Movie

To the trash your post goes.
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>>122910041
>Can't find an argument! I'll just shitpost!
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>>122908548
>Since fucking when? F/Z was a piece of shit for anyone not new.
SURE ARE JAPANESE OTAKU NEW, THAT'S WHY IT SOLD SO MUCH

You're right on some points, but your taste is muddling the whole argument.

>>122909557
He's acting like a retard too.
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>>122908548
Hey yI, don't be so mad. Did you forget to take your Ritalin or something?

If you were so easily triggered by my OP, you're going to get pretty angry at the next thread I have in mind.
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>>122891321
Vesperia Opening reminds me of Gintama for some reason.

Also in terms of openings its hard to say my favourite, musically I really liked Xillia and Abyss and the only one that was mediocre was Graces f. Visually probably Xillia 2 looks the best.

More on topic Ufo haven't done much that's relevant, I liked Manabi Straight but that was hardly visually impressive and I'm not really into Fate. Production I.G has a lot more under their belt so I dunno know why OP would compare them.
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>>122910423
>popular = good
lmao
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>>122911296
>muh superior tastes
>you watch that? you're such a fucking pleb
Fuck off, lad.
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