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Was Jimmy Kudo the first self-insert Gary Stu?

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He must be one of the earliest known examples.

-He has no personality flaws.
-He's a genius detective
-He has a pretty girlfriend
-All the girls in the show want his cock
-He's investigating a deadly criminal organization
-In the movies, he's a trigger-style action hero.
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He has shit taste in women though so no.
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>>122879930
>Jimmy
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>>122879930
>Self-insert
why would people do this?
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>>122880166
Who doesn't want to be a cool, handsome genius detective with girls fawning over him? Also, he's the coolest kat in the school thanks to his maturity and intelligence.
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>>122879992
doesnt even go for the half british half japanese loli
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You always subconsciously identfy yourself with EVERY character.

There is no self insertion.
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>>122879930

No, the earliest self-insert Gary Stu is Dante from a very old bible fanfiction called Divine Comedy. None can top that bullshit character.
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>>122879930
Kaito is even earlier.
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>>122879930
>the first self-insert Gary Stu?
Is he from 6000 BC?
No?
Then you're retarded.
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>>122879930
He's an asshole too if you pay attention to the dialogues/thoughts
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>>122880416
I would say Beowolf beat him by a good 10,000 years but fuck me what do I know? Im pretty sure hes not even close the first anime mary/gary, but Im not going to put in the effort.
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>>122880416
And that's called a classic.
What a world we live in.
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I don't think most people would self-insert themselves as a little boy, even if he is a cute one.
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This series is so old he should be back to being a grown ass man already.
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>>122880637

Pfft. Gilgamesh was here first ya shit eater
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>>122880862
Ever heard of a manga called Mujaki no Rakuen?

Check the first couple of chapters, then come back.
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>>122881028
That guy gets his ass kicked by a high school student.
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>>122880637
>>122880416
You both are wrong. The very first self insert was God, the guy even made man in his own image. Can't get more self insert than that.
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>>122880416
>No, the earliest self-insert Gary Stu is Dante from a very old bible fanfiction called Divine Comedy. None can top that bullshit character.
Did you even read the divine comedy?
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>>122879930
Yes, anon.

No author had ever written a self-insert character before 1994.

You're a fucking genius.

Case closed, I guess.
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>>122882266
>Believing on roman empire's self-proclaiming master race propaganda.
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>Jimmy Kudo
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>>122879930
I self-inserted as Nadeko when I read Otori

should I be worried
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>JIMMY
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>>122883352
I don't believe he did, otherwise he would know that Dante is a beta faggot who faints every few metres and relies on a heathen and chick to clear his way. ...
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>>122884497
>BIMMY AND JIMMY?
>BIMMY ISNT EVEN A REAL NAME
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>>122879930
>Jimmy

Kill yourself
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>>122879992
>This will never happen
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>>122885431
If the mangaka tries to troll everybody and gives us this ending, he'll be so shocked to find that nobody is angry.
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>>122885431
I want to taste the poison of the adult version.
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>>122884649
>so beta his perfect waifu treats him like shit and never show any sign of affection towards his self insert
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>>122882266

If God made man in his own image, doesn't that mean that man is the first self insert? What if God created the universe as his shitty OC and we're the self insert protagonist that will conquer the universe and be better than all of the aliens at everything we do? What if our entire system of societal morals is God moralfagging hard and using his self insert to deliver a ham-fisted message about how the righteous always win? His work might even be called out for being shitty by other infinitely powerful incomprehensible beings as we speak.

>God is the amateur writer of a shitty OC, and we're the poorly developed protagonist in the "Earth" training arc.
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>>122885805
What if we aren't even OC?
What if we're some stupid fanfic of the original Universe anime?
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>>122885834

>Earth is the perfect distance from the sun.
>Large moon to stabilize its rotation.
>Gas giants form near away from the star and stay there, instead of slowly falling in like nearly every other solar system that we've thus observed.
>No cosmic shitstorms nearby to destroy the planet early on.
>Star is extremely stable and will last far longer than your typical star.
>Humans are highly adaptable and are capable of living in almost any climate, and can eat a huge range of food outside of what would be available to our original ancestors.
>Bigger brains compared to body weight, more stamina, higher dexterity than any other animal.
>Also among the longest lived animals, and among the only animals to have complex enough digits with which to easily manipulate their surroundings.
>Electricity is the bullshit powerup that makes us dramatically stronger in a short amount of time.
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>>122885599
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>>122886017
>Shitty LNs always start when supernatural things start happening
>The advent of Electricity was the start of the story
>The earth is only a few hundred years old
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>>122883352
I read the manga version by Go Nagai.
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He was portrayed immature as fuck during the early chapters. I guess the author's style changed.
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>>122886019
HNNNNNNNNNNNNG

Much appreciated, anon.
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>>122879930
He's a fucking arrogant douche and nobody can stand him beside Ran.
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>>122886017
Not to mention
>planet was ruled by dinosaurs for millions of years
>they get exterminated by bullshit meteor asspull
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>>122886219
Always here to deliver
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>>122886343
>I want to drown on Sherry.
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Ran is the best girl you stupid fags.
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>>122886447
Her prototype is better.
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>>122886447
Aoko bestest girl
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>>122879930
Fuck you shinichi was my fucking childhood hero. He's the reason why I have such awesome deduction skills today.
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>>122886563
Give us an example, anon.
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>>122879930
It's shinichi you fucking nigger
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>>122886620
Based on your shit taste I know that you're a faggot
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>>122886686
case closed
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>>122886686
Even Megure could deduct that, anon.
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>Jimmy
This rustles my Shinichis
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>>122886708
Megure can't deduct what he ate for breakfast.
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>>122887156
He did figured out one case on his own.
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>>122886251
>2015
>Not knowing the meteor was a tennis ball sent by a high school student's serve that hit so hard the ball went back in time and killed off all dinosaurs

What have you been doing all these years?
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Rachael Moore was my first crush.

Amy a cute!!
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>>122887336
Vi Graythorn is the best, retard.
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>>122887251
Practicing tennis
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Does anyone have the webms for the retarded movies?
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When is this shit ending?
How many more must die to conclude the story?
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>>122887863
As long as it sells.
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>>122887863
Except that nobody died.
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>>122887910
You get several people murdered every day. I thought murder rates in Japan are not that high compared to burgerland?
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>>122887950
Nobody important died. Also based on this series it seems that every murderer in Japan is a genius but have zero luck because Kudo is always there.
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Am I the only one who likes Serena?
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>>122887950
Maybe they should do an arc here in Freedomland where they solve a bunch of gang related violent crimes in LA.
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>>122879930
Who the fuck is Jimmy?
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>>122888008
>liking sluts
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>>122888016
>Maybe they should do an arc here in Freedomland
They did a few.
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>>122887863
The ending was written already right?
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Was he a good choice /a/? Sucks that he was replaced by a fag.
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>>122887621
You monster.
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>>122888000
>Nobody important died
Is Ai's sister considered important or not?
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>>122889222
She had one short arc and wasn't even a protagonist during that.
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>Jimmy Kudo

Jimmied/10
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>>122887336
>Rachael Moore
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>>122888008
>Serena
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>>122888029
Jimmy Neutron
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>All these plebs using the Americanized names
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>>122891219
Problem officer?
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>>122888008
>Serena
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>>122892247
Go back to 2005.
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Looks OP rustled everyone's Jimmies.
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>>122879930
>thinking japan invented the concept of Gary Stus
Retard.
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>>122879930
>What is Kaito Kid.
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>>122893669
Goddamn it Carlos, Beat me to the fucking punch
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>>122888008
>Serena
The fuck.
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>>122879930
Kaito Kiddo was first.
Also he is more interesting and based character.
https://youtu.be/PMkqxZ9Rryg
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>>122888008
>Serena
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>>122879930
>Jimmy
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>>122888008
>>122887336
>Amy
>Serena
>Jimmy
Pleasse tell me that this isn't what they were called in the dubs
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So is there any advancement in the storyline yet?
Also the anime was pretty based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzH0CWpshL0
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>>122896404
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Case_Closed_characters
>Harley Hartwell, Serena Sebastian, Rachel Moore, Richard Moore, Eva Kadan, and Hershel Agasa, George Kojima, Mitch Tsuburaya, Anita Hailey, Amy Yoshida.
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>>122896791
Sherlock holmes arc and bus hijack were the highlights of the anime
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>>122897059
I quit, one more reason to boycott dubs
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>>122897059
>read old manga chapter translations
>half of them use English dub names and the other half use the proper Japanese ones
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I'm convinced self-inserting is just a meme that developed from actual author self-inserting like in the Divine Comedy and Mahouka. Nobody actually self-inserts into a character. It's just buzzword bullshit for when characters are either larger than life or lacking characterizarion.
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>>122880416

NO YOU FUCKING DUMB FOOL

Dante's whole character is that he has deviated from God's path and fell into vice. He realizes that and goes through a journey to hell,earth and heaven to redeem his sins and attain the redemption of his soul

Hes not a gary stu fuck goddamn, if anything Virgilio and Beatrice are much more of a gary stu than based Dante.
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>>122897319
Dante is literally a self-insert. Did you even read the cover?
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>>122897059

>George Kojima
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>>122897059
>Ran and Haibara
Literally why?
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>>122896404
The names they chose for Detective Conan in the United States is the chief reason I suspect it did like shit in sales, especially when the manga has to use those shitty names.
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>>122897752
All those fucking wigs
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>>122898058
It's just Gin and Hakase.
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>>122897752
The professor is the worst.
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>>122898256
Pleae don't tell me Haibara's hair is real
>>122897752
What happened to Ran?
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>>122898462
Haibara's hair looks pretty real. She just has a high hairline.
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>>122879930
I'd say Lupin would be way before jimmy
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>>122897752
https://youtu.be/BKvM_CIXKUU?t=24s
>That fucking Gin
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>>122897752
Snape is that you?
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I'd start getting scared of having him around me. Dude seems to invite murders. Has there even been a case where he solves something minor, like a robbery?

I stopped reading around the 10th dead victim.
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>>122898919
It's sad that the children are actually the best actors.
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>>122899348
There has been a robbery and a Drug deal if you like?
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>>122898919
>Gin
I'ts Melchior, you fucking nigger
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>>122899487
Lots of attempted murders, too.

I'm waiting for Conan to solve a cyber bullying case.
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>>122888363
Nah. Mizubata was a better Shinichi than him. Oguri just look like another Oguri's cool character when he plays Shinichi.
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Am I the only one who loved the movies? Especially all those scenes with the skateboard, shows how good the animation is
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>>122879930
do new chapters ever get released from this shit?
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>>122899873
I hated most of the movies, because they were more like Tintin movies than Detective Conan.
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>>122899873
The movies are the only part of the anime I watch.
They've got everything I need, Conan, Ai, Osaka and 1412.
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>>122899922
I personally loved the suspence of catching the bomber. (it's almost always a bomber).
Kid movie and football are the best tho
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>>122900049
You didn't like the last one? The major skateboard stunts ware unrealistically rad.
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>>122900125
Nah I just thought those were the highlights
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>>122879930
No there were tons before anime even existed

and for anime itself it was probably Black Jack
>He's investigating a deadly criminal organization
but he never actually took down that organization did he?
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>>122899873
They have nice animation, at least.
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>>122901820
I could do without the bombs tho.
But it makes you wonder how Aoyama thinks of all these crazy szenarios
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>>122901987
>I could do without the bombs tho.
I agree. Conan takes itself too seriously. You don't need a murder to every case and a bomb to every movie to make them interesting.
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>>122901987
Lot of people help him and I don't think he's behind all movies.
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>>122879930
Kudo is made smart just to solve the cases because it's a fucking mystery series
And not all the girls want his cock
Suzuki regularly points out that he's too obsessed with his work and neglecting Ran is bullshit
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>>122902159
No I mean the Manga in general that's at least 400+ different crime mysteries, pretty strange how each of them is also unique
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>>122902377
I've read somewhere that his brother helps him sometimes.
But I agree, it's amazing how he didn't run out of ideas now.
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>>122902377
>at least 400+
I hope you did that for comedic effect.
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>>122902461
What? I just put it down to 400 because most of the stories have many parts. Obviously I know he did more than that
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>>122902664
At least and + mean the same thing.
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>>122902702
The state of American education everyone
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>>122887336
There isn't enough lewd Rachel stuff out there.

So I've been creating my own
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>>122903043
In the context I mean.
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>>122903073
>Rachel
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>>122903103
yes
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>>122897319
>you don't understand, he's a TORTURED SOUL!
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>>122903179
It's pretty much
>Bad past = permission to be edgy
An prime example is Tokyo Ghoul
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>>122886343
And Shinichi is such a faggot and goes for Ran...
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>>122887336
Faggot, get some taste
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>>122903361
If he were a faggot, he would have gone for Heiji and let their girl friends fuck in a foursome
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>>122903378
>The Endlösung for Aoyama noses
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>>122903433
Heiji is less of a faggot choice than Ran.
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>>122903480
It's perfect if I do say so myself
>>122903361
Well at the very least he isn't a cheating fag
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>>122899873

>good animation

Granted this is the anime but still.
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>>122903546
Cheating? THEY ARE NOT EVEN TOGETHER!

>hot sarcastic half asian half english qt3.14 scientist
>boring average looking dumb karate bitch
>picks the karate bitch
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>>122899873
Movies>Series

The subject matter just lends itself better to movies.
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>>122903729
Oh wow, they really got lazy.
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>>122903809
The subject matter is better as an episodic series given the wealth of cases Aoyama comes up with
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>>122899873

The movies are always fantastic even when the plots are shit.
>that ending in Strategy Above the Depths when Sleeping Kogoro goes full ham and actually solved the crime himself
>mfw any episode where Kogoro is actually not retarded
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>>122894455
>>122894455
So, how is the Kaito anime anyways? He was pretty fun when he appeared in DC.
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>>122904021
I like when the series drops hints Kogoro is not retarded and actually a brilliant detective but like Mycroft, he is just lazy as fuck and jumps at the first conclusion he draws just to close the case.
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>>122904021
>Kogoro doesn't act like a potato
Best parts of the series
>>122904109
The Kaito anime has the Ran proto type which is miles better and Kaito is much more interresting as a MC than conan. Although the real Magic scenes are pretty retarded.
Shame they hate Physics
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>>122904109
Most of the chapters from the original manga are adapted faithfully but some shit had to be changed to reflect modern times, like Kaitou's date with Aoko is no longer an E.T. movie but some sentai parody of The Avengers
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>>122904109

It's enjoyable enough. My only real issues is that some of the magic he does is outright unbelievable whereas in Detective Conan they stick to more realistic stuff since Shinichi has to figure the tricks out.

Also its a 50+ episode anime apparently so the plot moves as fast as DC's does.
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>>122904210
The CGI in the Kaito anime is really awful
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkTT4EjjcAc
This opening is flawless, one of the reasns I watch it is cause of the amazing ED's.
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>>122904276
>more realistic stuff
None of it is realistic.
Now I know you didn't actually say that it was realistic, I just want to put an emphasis on the fact that it really is not.
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>>122899348
It even became a running gag at this point. Megure asks Kogoro to just stay home and never leave the house again.
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>>122899348
the weird thing about detective conan is: it's really cool, but you can only read this much in a row before it gets repetitive, but you need to read at least that much in order to get invested
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>>122905527
Another strange thing is that its is quite repetitive despite being a completely different mystery everytime, but figuring out a case bfore conan makes one feel like a genius
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>>122905780
>figuring out a case bfore conan makes one feel like a genius
Figuring out how they did it would be impossible since you don't get the key clues. At best you'd be able to make a guess (from the mangaka's habits).
But it's pretty simple to deduce the killer, sometimes even before they kill anybody.
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>>122905780
It's a shame, the viewer can't see some details sometimes. But I think that isn't even the case anymore.
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>>122903361
He should stop being a faggot and pick Kid.
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>>122906652
Kid has good taste and has Aoko, no reason for him to lust after his twin.
Akako a shit
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>>122906652
Kid is objectively the best choice.
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The hottest. Ran a shit. Shiho, Sera, Vermouth, Heiji and Kaito a best.
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>>122907377
>smoking
I feel strangely stricken with admiration for his manliness.
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>>122907377
Why is so Sera best?
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>>122907478
He's not the one who is smoking, his right hand is on his stomach.
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>>122908293
I feel betrayed.
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>>122907695
I want to cuddle her.
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>>122903775
Blame the first girl wins rule
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>>122909134
More like Conan confession to her
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>>122908386
But he's a guy.
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>>122899873
No, but I find most of the plot of the movie pretty bad.
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>>122909512
Not true. And I wouldn't mind either way.
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>>122907377
>vermouthxshinichi

I need more of this.
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why ran is so shit
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>>122910452
Why can't you into basic grammar?
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>>122910494
'cause ran is shit
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>>122885431
Sherry > Ran

She's been through hell with Conan for all her talk of it being an alliance of convenience. She's smart and capable and brave. And a loli. Best love interest.
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why is kaito evil in the new movie?
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>>122910636
>Kaito
>evil
It's just a marketing ploy to make people interested.

Not like I'd miss a Kaitou Kid vs Conan movie for anything though.
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>>122910636
It's his evil twin brother.
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Why is Aoko so much better than Ran? How did the transition from prototype to main version end so horribly?
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>>122899890
>do new chapters ever get released from this shit?
Periodically.
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>>122910994
isn't gosho currently sick and hospitalized?

>>122910852
'cause Aoko can spend time with the one she loves and develop their relationship whereas Ran has to angst all the time over where Shinichi is and what he's doing etc.
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>>122885431
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>>122911053
Normal people would just move on and get a new boyfriend.
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>>122911062
So, eh, threesomes?
Or does he fuck Ai in secret?
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>>122911127
yup, but considering that not even a year has passed in the manga since he became a kid it isn't that weird that she isn't over him yet
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>>122911267
>not even a year
You're forgetting how old they are. At that age, the average boyfriend rate is one per season.
Shinichi isn't there at all. Staying loyal to him for more than a few months is amazing.
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>implying self-insert Gary stus are exclusive to chinese cartoons.
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